1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,280 Welcome to Students Incorporated, a podcast where we dive into relevant topics and issues 2 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,600 related to the world of business, technology, education and design. 3 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,600 I'm your host, Mr. Jason. 4 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,980 Episodes include student conversations, interviews with thought leaders, and inspirational stories 5 00:00:29,980 --> 00:00:31,980 with an international flavor. 6 00:00:31,980 --> 00:00:35,920 This podcast is created and produced with the help of students from the International 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,920 Community School of Bangkok. 8 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:51,280 In today's episode, we'll be diving into the topics of design education and the design 9 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,280 process. 10 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,080 Joining us will be our special guests, Mrs. Cammie, Mr. Tim, and Mr. Darwin. 11 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,200 The first segment will be about design education. 12 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:05,240 The following segment will be about the design process and will feature fun art and design 13 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,480 themed trivia questions. 14 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,080 Before beginning, let's hear the quote of the day and news headlines. 15 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,080 Thank you, Mr. Jason. 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,000 Today's quote is from a famous painter, Jackson Pollock. 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,000 He said that, 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,040 Art is coming face to face with yourself. 19 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,120 Many artistic pieces often reflect the artist's own emotions and viewpoints. 20 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,100 Jackson Pollock was a major influence in the abstract expressionist movement, which lasted 21 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:28,920 from 1943 through the mid-1950s. 22 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,560 Pollock was especially known for his paintings created through a drip technique, where he 23 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,240 poured paint on a surface and rotated it so that the paint would drip in an abstract 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,880 manner and would be viewed from all angles. 25 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:44,200 As the time of this recording, the FIFA 22 World Cup is happening in Qatar. 26 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,280 Here are some of the biggest upsets so far. 27 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,960 Saudi Arabia beat Argentina 2-1. 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:55,720 Japan also beat Germany 2-1, with the Japanese fans helping clean up the stadium after the 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:56,720 match. 30 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,800 Despite losing 1-0, Canada put in a shockingly good performance against Belgium, with this 31 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,160 being their first World Cup match in 36 years. 32 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:11,800 Ecuador drew 1-1 to the Netherlands, and USA drew England 0-0 as well. 33 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,840 So I guess it can be called soccer and football. 34 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:21,240 Morocco beat Belgium 2-0, dominating the entire game, and when asked about the loss, the Belgian 35 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:30,280 captain Kevin De Bruyner said, we're simply too old. 36 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,600 Thank you for that quote and the news headlines. 37 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,840 Design, which is the topic of this episode, has played a significant role in my career 38 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,240 for a very long time, so I'm glad we can dedicate both guest segments to it. 39 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,880 For this first segment, we welcome Mrs. Cammie, an experienced educator and artist. 40 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,040 Okay, with that, let's get started with our first question. 41 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,640 Well, first of all, good morning, Mrs. Cammie. 42 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:52,640 Good morning. 43 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:56,960 Can you please introduce yourself, tell us that you studied in college, and then describe 44 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,640 what attracted you to the field of design and art. 45 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:04,280 Sure, I'm Cammie Lattice, and I've been working here at the school for, I think it's my seventh 46 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:05,280 year. 47 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,320 I went to Messiah College and majored in fine arts. 48 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,680 I was an oil painting concentration and really loved it. 49 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,200 I got to take a lot of classes and a lot of things. 50 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,120 What got me started in art was in elementary school, I just loved horses. 51 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:26,400 Sorry if you've heard this story, but I grew up on a horse farm and just drew them and 52 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,920 loved them and rode them. 53 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:33,520 I loved horses so much, so I just started drawing them and inadvertently ended up really 54 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,660 loving drawing and painting. 55 00:03:35,660 --> 00:03:39,480 In eighth grade, my parents got me an art tutor and she was amazing. 56 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:45,680 She was an older woman who had worked for Disney back in the early animation days, and 57 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,280 she worked on Pinocchio. 58 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,000 She had the falling leaves scene. 59 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,480 She always told me that she did the falling leaves. 60 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,440 I really learned a lot from her about just drawing and painting. 61 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,720 Then I went to college. 62 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:05,480 At the end of college, I was wanting to do more service. 63 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,480 That's when I think I started getting interested in teaching and ended up going back to school 64 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,800 to study education and found that art education is really my calling. 65 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,720 I didn't make art for nine years when I was a stay-at-home mom, and then I came back to 66 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,240 it as I started teaching. 67 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,440 A lot of people confuse the two areas, art and design. 68 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,620 You probably have noticed that. 69 00:04:26,620 --> 00:04:31,120 What is the difference and how do these two things converge, especially in the field of 70 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,120 education? 71 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,380 I really think art doesn't have a set purpose. 72 00:04:35,380 --> 00:04:37,640 It can be what the artist wants. 73 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:44,120 There's a lot of purposes that the artist sets out for, maybe to explore a certain medium, 74 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,120 to express themselves. 75 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,080 They don't even have to say what the purpose is. 76 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,080 There's a lot of art that is left untitled. 77 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,680 Whereas design is a lot about function. 78 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:58,160 Usually when you're designing something, you're thinking of someone else or something else. 79 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,840 Your design is at the mercy of what the function is for that thing. 80 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,320 I actually think of fashion a lot. 81 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:10,240 I'm not a big fashionista, but I think of the difference between the designs that are 82 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,600 on a catwalk, which you see them and you're like, I would never wear that. 83 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,480 The designer is going after something new. 84 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,360 They're trying to find something fresh and exploring and playing with new materials or 85 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:22,920 new ideas. 86 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,320 I really love Target back in the States. 87 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,960 Often they partner with a designer like Marneco. 88 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:37,360 They make the designs that don't seem functional on a catwalk functional for moms and for regular 89 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,360 people. 90 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,960 I think that's a great example of the difference between art and design. 91 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,520 Staying in the field of education, what are your thoughts about design education or educating 92 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,240 people about design? 93 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:54,160 Why is this important and what impact do you think this can have on society as a whole? 94 00:05:54,160 --> 00:06:00,200 I think even just in my short little lifetime, the world has become more and more visually 95 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,600 oriented. 96 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,780 We barely have time with consumers. 97 00:06:04,780 --> 00:06:10,080 You have to design things so tightly that you get their attention in a split second. 98 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,960 I think design has never been more important. 99 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:17,680 I read a great book a while ago by David Berman called Do Good Design. 100 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,680 Design matters as it never has before. 101 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,880 Design creates so much of what we see, what we use, and what we experience. 102 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,600 In a time of unprecedented environmental, social, and economic crises, designers must 103 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,640 now choose what their young profession will be about, deploying weapons of mass deception 104 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,760 or helping repair the world. 105 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,280 So I think design is really important in influencing society and the way people think if we can 106 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:41,280 use it for good. 107 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:45,040 That's kind of what that whole book was about, is harnessing the power of design, the power 108 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:51,120 that can sell Coca-Cola and using it to send great messages. 109 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,800 So for you personally, are there artists or designers that have inspired you or that you 110 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,120 take inspiration from? 111 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,960 If so, who are they and why? 112 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:06,200 Yeah, on the art side, I found a lot of artists through actually Instagram. 113 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,520 It's just so accessible and you can see art quickly that way. 114 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:15,760 Felicia Forte is a painter who I just really admire her fresh colors, her compositions, 115 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,400 and her just everyday life kind of scenes. 116 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:24,480 Carol Maureen is another painter who inspired me a lot, especially coming back to art after 117 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,280 being a stay at home mom. 118 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,440 She also was a mom and that's kind of when she started her painting career is during 119 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,120 her children's nap times. 120 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:37,040 She would challenge herself to paint every day a small amount of time and she always 121 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,840 keeps her paintings really small. 122 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,960 So I thought, oh, it just seemed like this instrumental or this just mountain I couldn't 123 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,900 climb to get back into art. 124 00:07:44,900 --> 00:07:48,520 So for her to break that down was really amazing for me. 125 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,960 On the design side, I actually got that David Berman book that I mentioned before from a 126 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,360 designer I really admire named Victoria Harrison. 127 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:02,040 Her husband was actually a high school friend of mine, Scott Harrison, and he started a 128 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:08,280 way back in 2006, he started a nonprofit called Charity Water, which was kind of groundbreaking 129 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:09,280 at the time. 130 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:14,880 He rented out a studio down in New York City and had a photography show there for his birthday. 131 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,560 And I guess he had been a nightclub promoter in New York City, so he had a lot of celebrity 132 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:25,920 friends and invited them to donate to Charity Water as his birthday present. 133 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:31,120 He ended up hiring a woman named Victoria Harrison to be his designer. 134 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,060 She's so inspiring because she wants to do this with design. 135 00:08:34,060 --> 00:08:37,760 She wants to harness the power of design and influence for good. 136 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,360 And so because of her designs, Charity Water and a lot of other factors, but it really 137 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,920 took off and I admire that. 138 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:51,000 Okay, moving on to something a bit more whimsical, we've compiled a few statements that according 139 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,080 to Google, artists have actually said, for instance, describing their works of art. 140 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,440 Would you mind reading them using your best artist voice? 141 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,520 All right, I am not my husband. 142 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,840 If he were here, he would try to do all the accents, but I'm not going to do that. 143 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,760 I'm going to go for more like NPR. 144 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:11,160 Okay, so my first statement is by Georgia O'Keefe, and she said, nobody really sees 145 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,240 a flower, really, it is so small. 146 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,520 We have a time and to see takes time. 147 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:23,320 So I said to myself, I'll paint what I see, what the flower is to me, but I'll paint it 148 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,160 big and they will be surprised into taking time to look at it. 149 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,160 Very good. 150 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,160 Just like her. 151 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:31,160 All right. 152 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,160 You have one more, I think. 153 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,160 Okay, yes. 154 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,160 I have another. 155 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:40,880 Next, we have a statement by another female artist named Beth Marisol. 156 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,080 I hope I said that right. 157 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,320 She is quoted as saying, it is important to express oneself, provided the feelings are 158 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,680 real and are taken from your own experience. 159 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:57,440 My ambition is limited to capturing something transient, and yet this ambition is excessive. 160 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,840 Artists sometimes put out the best statements, don't they? 161 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,200 Sometimes we understand them, sometimes we do not. 162 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,320 All right. 163 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,000 Thank you so much for joining us, Mrs. Kamie. 164 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,280 It's been really interesting. 165 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,120 I love hearing the stories of how people get into design and art. 166 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,840 So thank you so much. 167 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:23,520 Now before beginning the next part, let's hear the PSA from Lyon. 168 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Most of us have heard about gratitude, but how does it affect us in life? 169 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,840 Scientists at University of California, Berkeley found that practicing gratitude has many benefits 170 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:32,840 in life. 171 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,360 Physically, these people had stronger immune systems, were less bothered by aches and pains 172 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,360 and enjoyed better sleep. 173 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,120 Mental health benefits include feeling more joy and experiencing more optimism, generally 174 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,080 making us happier. 175 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,240 Gratitude also helps with social life. 176 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,200 People who practice gratitude become more generous and compassionate, and they even 177 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,520 report feeling less lonely and isolated. 178 00:10:54,520 --> 00:11:02,800 So be grateful for what you have, everyone. 179 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:03,960 Thank you for that announcement. 180 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,400 In our second segment, we welcome Mr. Tim Mills and Mr. Darwin, both of whom are artists 181 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,840 and designers. 182 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,760 This segment is focused on the importance of design process, and Lyon will start us 183 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,200 off with our first question. 184 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,200 Good morning, gentlemen. 185 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,320 Can you please introduce yourselves and tell us what you studied in college and then describe 186 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,200 what led you to the creative field? 187 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,720 Let's start with the one and only Mr. Tim Mills. 188 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:29,720 All right. 189 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:30,720 Good morning. 190 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:38,360 I studied fine art in college, and I had a focus on ceramics and visual communications 191 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:39,360 minor as well. 192 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:45,360 I worked as a designer for a number of years out of college and upon graduation, and I've 193 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,400 continued working in the ceramic arts as well. 194 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:53,400 I was drawn to the creative field through just an innate desire to create. 195 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,400 My name is Darwin. 196 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,560 I am the web and graphic designer here in ICS. 197 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:01,760 Well, mostly like doing multimedia producing and such. 198 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:07,880 So I studied international business for my college degree and pursued my diploma in media 199 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,640 production afterwards. 200 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,120 What led me to the creative field is the branding of a business. 201 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:20,520 I remember sitting down in a business branding class and I thought to myself like, I want 202 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:21,680 the design stuff. 203 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:24,080 And that's where it all started. 204 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:29,000 Since we are focused on the design process in this segment, is there a specific process 205 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:34,200 that you follow when creating or designing, maybe in the context of having a specific 206 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,040 project that you're working on? 207 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:41,880 For me, creating and designing, it really tapped into kind of a fundamental human desire 208 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,400 to make. 209 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,720 That process is really at its core one of play. 210 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:54,840 When I think about designing and making, our imaginations are fully engaged. 211 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,600 It's one of exploration and discovery. 212 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:04,600 So the process for me often begins with these sparks of possibility, these initial ideas, 213 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,280 these what ifs. 214 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:12,600 And then often I just get initial ideas and concepts out quickly into some tangible form, 215 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,960 like a quick sketch, ink on paper, kind of get the idea out. 216 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:26,120 Then of course there's refinement, prototyping, trial and error, more error, sometimes success. 217 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,640 Times I have an idea and I can't even sketch it out right then, so I'll just put a word 218 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:36,880 down, get my phone out type of word or two in, something to help me mark that idea for 219 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:37,880 later. 220 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,320 When there's a specific or desired end in mind, those aspects certainly inform and drive 221 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,440 the process for me. 222 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:51,200 But fundamentally I think the process of design and creating, it's always one of play, it's 223 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:52,200 one of discovery. 224 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,680 And Darwin, what about you? 225 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:56,520 Do you have a specific process that you follow? 226 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:03,720 Well, with my line of work, like graphic design basically, every project has different process 227 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:10,720 and sometimes the process is A, B, C, D and sometimes it's like C, A, D, B. 228 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:16,680 But with all of my creative process in creating school materials, I have to walk around and 229 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:21,680 see how the design will flow with and how the school looks like. 230 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,880 For example, the way finding system. 231 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,760 Two years ago ICS all have this green plastic room and they told me like they've been there 232 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,760 since this building was built. 233 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,280 We have different designs, different fonts and teachers and such. 234 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:42,000 So one of my early tasks when I was hired was to create a uniform way finding and signage 235 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,420 system here that match ICS logos and colors. 236 00:14:46,420 --> 00:14:50,600 So during that time, elementary building was slowly becoming blue and white and we knew 237 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,920 that the middle school and high school buildings will be white and blue as well. 238 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,320 So the process was to take a walk and envision how people interact with the design. 239 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:04,840 In this case, I created a blue acrylic class room signages with white bold font in a white 240 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:05,840 wall. 241 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,600 With this, people can see what room is from afar without needing to go close and read 242 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,920 the room number. 243 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:16,900 It sounds so simple, but it involves a lot of meetings, brainstormings and then the initial 244 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:19,820 conclusion to proceed with the design. 245 00:15:19,820 --> 00:15:24,440 So do you think that most creators follow a similar process or do you feel like the 246 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,800 project kind of dictates that process and it could be different every time? 247 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:34,760 My thought is that most designers, creators, makers, they do approach a similar process 248 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,280 of what we've both spoken about. 249 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,440 What I like about what Darwin just mentioned was he actually inhabited the design process 250 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,440 physically. 251 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:48,320 He was out there walking around and looking and that's a great note, a great point about 252 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:54,360 actually stepping into what he would be needing in that design process. 253 00:15:54,360 --> 00:16:01,360 So I think for me, that idea of discovery of play, I imagine that most designers, I 254 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,560 mean it starts with an idea, right? 255 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,560 Kind of engage in our imagination and that helps to drive us. 256 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:13,360 Yeah, so I feel like a lot of creatives have similar but also different process of things. 257 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:20,000 Maybe when I was a beginner, I follow a certain process that my teacher told me or what I 258 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,840 watch on YouTube, but now as I grow, I'm creating my own craft. 259 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,880 It's more like, oh, this is how I do things. 260 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,840 This is what I'm comfortable doing. 261 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,800 Well, thank you for sharing, gentlemen. 262 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,280 Can you talk about the concept of form and function as well as share your thoughts about 263 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,280 how design can reflect the culture of the day? 264 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,600 Like the example of what I shared earlier about design, just do I want to create an 265 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,760 artistic like room design? 266 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,480 Yes, of course, but it's not what is needed. 267 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:55,400 The demand for the design is to create an effective way to communicate, which is the 268 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,680 room needs to be seen. 269 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,840 It needs to be effective in communicating where the toilets are, where the rooms are, 270 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,600 how do you go to art, how do you go to like the principal's office. 271 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,920 The form of the design should always follow its function. 272 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,960 Design is used by most people in everyday life. 273 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:17,220 When you fill out that form, a good layout design can save your time. 274 00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:23,000 When you park your car, signages and where you park your car are always out there. 275 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:28,840 And the better the signage designs, the better you can go in and out of that parking lot. 276 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,720 When you need to go to the public toilet, you look for that mini male and female icon 277 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,280 instead of the word toilet. 278 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,040 So design is everywhere and good design can help you in your everyday life. 279 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,680 I mean, a bad design, however, can ruin someone's day. 280 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,040 It can even ruin the national election. 281 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:50,720 That design principle that Maxim, it was actually coined by an architect, Louis Sullivan, American 282 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,840 architect, talking about form following function. 283 00:17:53,840 --> 00:18:00,400 And another architect, Frank Lloyd Wright, talked about that and kind of expanded it 284 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,320 a bit saying, yes, form follows function and maybe adding to it. 285 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:09,200 He said, he really sees it as form and function should be one, joined. 286 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:15,720 He said, joined in this, in a spiritual union, interesting phrasing there, joined in a spiritual 287 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:16,720 union. 288 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,840 So really, you know, form does follow function in a sense, but then function without form, 289 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,160 you know, where does that leave us? 290 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:28,320 And also I would say as a ceramic artist, you know, that form itself has a function, 291 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:33,440 you know, like the aesthetic quality and beauty of a particular piece of work. 292 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:40,360 I remember in college for us working on various forms and things, take for example, a teapot. 293 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:44,880 It might look wonderful, right, the form, but a function of a teapot is to hold hot 294 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:50,800 water, brew tea, and then to serve that tea, to pour that tea into a vessel. 295 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,360 And you know, you really need to pay a lot of attention to the spout, particularly the 296 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:59,680 rim of the spout so that it pours well, it doesn't drip, doesn't dribble back on the 297 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:00,720 on the piece itself. 298 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,480 So anyway, yeah, for me, I think that I think I appreciate Wright's thoughts towards, yes, 299 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,560 form follows function, but he said, he even said this has been misunderstood. 300 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:15,680 You know, he's saying form and function should be one joined in a spiritual union. 301 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,480 So I think maybe a designer, creator, maker is always kind of going back and forth on 302 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:20,480 that. 303 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,100 So here's another follow up question on that. 304 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:25,800 Is there such a thing as a design going out of style? 305 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,080 I believe so, but it's more a circular pattern. 306 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,280 In most cases, a certain design trend will go out of style, but will never die. 307 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,920 It will return back to life when it attracts a new generation. 308 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,800 A big buzzword these days is vintage, you know, something that's kind of applied to 309 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:47,320 when we look back, maybe at future or past technologies and think, well, there was something 310 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,800 about that that was lost, right? 311 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:57,000 We think about the advent of digital photography and people really looking back to the beauty 312 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:03,960 and the grain of a fine print photograph from times past. 313 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:09,120 And in some ways, I think maybe the fundamental elements of design or the elements of design 314 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:15,400 that were in place or implemented, those do not go out of style in a sense. 315 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:23,000 Those never fade or perish or spoil, but I think there's a refinement process. 316 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,920 There's a taking and making of, I mean, think about the bicycle, for example. 317 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:36,360 I mean, what an incredible invention and design and creative understanding of human form and 318 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:39,200 motion with machine, right? 319 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,760 But the very first bicycles, right? 320 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,160 You wouldn't go mountain biking with them. 321 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:49,320 Like they, you know, I think about the early ones with the gigantic front wheel and the 322 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,160 very small back wheel and just took great balance and even the ladder to get up onto 323 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,640 and think, right, you're not going to go mountain biking with those. 324 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,560 The thing about like the refinement of that design, right? 325 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:05,080 Today we have road bikes and racing bikes that are light and carbon fiber and so on. 326 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:10,120 So I think those fundamental pieces of design do not go out of style per se. 327 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:12,000 Okay, moving on to our next question. 328 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,560 For you personally, are there artists or designers that inspire you or that you take inspiration 329 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,560 from? 330 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,400 So who are they and why? 331 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,600 Well besides Mr. T. Mills, I admire Mr. T. Mills work. 332 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:32,360 Because this is funny, like I've booked multiple classes of Mr. T. Mills from Trampolines Studio. 333 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:33,360 Yes, Trampolines Studio, yes. 334 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:34,360 And then it always gets cancelled. 335 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:35,360 It gets cancelled. 336 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:36,360 We got to make that happen. 337 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:40,400 So I have, I messaged him one time like, hey, I admire your work. 338 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,040 This is what I like about your work and such. 339 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,320 And he's so generous of replying back. 340 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,720 So we got to make that happen, Darwin. 341 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,960 Maybe this is our first collaborative effort here on this podcast and then we'll make 342 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,680 sure we get some clay work in soon. 343 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,680 Yeah. 344 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:02,600 So besides Mr. T. Mills, I have followed, her name is S. Devlin since I know about her 345 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:03,600 work. 346 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:08,640 She's a stage designer and artist for concert theaters, fashion shows and other range of 347 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,640 media. 348 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:16,400 So she often uses light mapping and projected film into kinetic sculptural forms, meaning 349 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,360 that she challenges the given space by creating an experience through design. 350 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:24,000 Yeah, you know, my list and I had to kind of narrow it down a little bit. 351 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:31,000 I think it reflects kind of my eclectic interest in making and creating and expression. 352 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:37,400 I mean, I've always been drawn to the work of Alexander Calder, who, you know, I have 353 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:42,360 dabbled in working with steel and welding and but he's, you know, he designed these 354 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,800 gigantic mobiles, right? 355 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:51,080 And so large sculptures that were moving with the space that they're in, you know, the slightest 356 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,040 breeze can move these gigantic sculptures. 357 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,320 I really appreciate his work. 358 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:03,120 Andy Goldsworthy, who works out in natural settings, working with leaves and branches 359 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,400 and stone and water and time and rhythm. 360 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:11,880 And he does these sculptures in situ that are out in nature. 361 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Some of them are there longer than others, but I love the work that he does and how he 362 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:22,040 really just takes what's there and rearranges it and makes and creates from what he has 363 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:30,120 and draws us into his work through his, his forms and his, his posture and his work. 364 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:36,360 Mako Fujimura, who's a Japanese American abstract expressionist painter, but he's working in 365 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:43,400 the Japanese discipline of Nihon-ga, which is where the painter will actually pulverize 366 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,960 and make their own mineral pigments. 367 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,920 So he works with some of the same mineral pigments or minerals, I guess, that I use 368 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,000 as a ceramic artist as well. 369 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:58,680 But I really appreciate his melding of many different worlds, but that, you know, the 370 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,560 abstract expressionist work through this traditional Japanese painting discipline. 371 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:11,280 And then of course, I mean, one, one art Japanese ceramic artist, Soji Hamada, and then an English 372 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,920 ceramic artist, Bernard Leach. 373 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:19,760 And those two really had a wonderful friendship back in the like 1920s and just really appreciate 374 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:26,120 both their craft and then kind of how they shared ideas and their cultural backgrounds 375 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:30,560 and just had a wonderful working and friendship, you know, working relationship and friendship 376 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:31,560 throughout their lifetime. 377 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:38,320 So Hamada just exhibits, you know, what is, what are some of those amazing qualities of 378 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:45,880 Japanese discipline and art form just in his ceramic work as well. 379 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,920 So a few, a few, sorry. 380 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:48,920 That's okay. 381 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,920 That's my shortlist. 382 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,080 Well, let's move on to something a little less serious. 383 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,000 We've prepared a designer pop quiz for you. 384 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,480 It's a true or false quiz. 385 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,080 You each have a set of questions to ask each other. 386 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,240 And for our listeners sake, neither one of our guests know what the questions are. 387 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,800 So to both of you, good luck. 388 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:13,800 Okay, Mr. Tim, why don't you lead us off with the first quiz question for Mr. Darwin. 389 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,240 All right. 390 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:26,580 So the first question for you, Darwin, Whining's tea used the same logo for 150 years before 391 00:25:26,580 --> 00:25:31,480 changing the font and adding the lion crest. 392 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,080 I think that's false. 393 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,840 It is false. 394 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,840 Good, correct. 395 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:38,840 Correct. 396 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:44,920 Good job with the logo and font has remained unchanged for 227 years. 397 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:45,920 That's amazing. 398 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,920 It is. 399 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,920 227 years. 400 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,920 Shows you good design. 401 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:49,920 Doesn't style. 402 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,920 That's right. 403 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:51,920 Longevity in a logo design. 404 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:52,920 As long as America. 405 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:53,920 Yeah. 406 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,920 All right. 407 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,920 Mr. Darwin. 408 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:03,440 It takes 400 milliseconds for a logo to be recognized by a visual context of the brain. 409 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,440 True or false? 410 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,440 True. 411 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,440 That's correct. 412 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,440 So true. 413 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,740 That's most equivalent to a person blankie. 414 00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:12,240 Second question. 415 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:21,600 The two most popular fonts in 1957 were Helvetica and Universe. 416 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,600 I think that's true. 417 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,600 True is correct. 418 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,600 ICS uses Helvetica. 419 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,080 They continue. 420 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,880 There we go. 421 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,840 They continue to be some of the most popular fonts today as well. 422 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:33,840 Incredible. 423 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,840 All right. 424 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,840 All right. 425 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,520 Starting price of a good high quality professional made logo is $50. 426 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,520 $50. 427 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,520 Five zero. 428 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,520 Five zero. 429 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,520 I'm going to say true. 430 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,520 False. 431 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,520 They start from $199. 432 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,520 Okay. 433 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,520 I should be trading more on this. 434 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,800 That seems pretty cheap too. 435 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,800 Really? 436 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,800 That seems pretty cheap too. 437 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,800 I should look up that. 438 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,800 Yeah. 439 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,800 That's true or not. 440 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,800 Okay. 441 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,800 Next. 442 00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,800 All right. 443 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:00,800 Third question for you, Darwin. 444 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,800 Here we go. 445 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:08,880 The maximum file size of a logo that can be posted online is 200 kilobytes. 446 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,880 I think that's true. 447 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,200 That is true. 448 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:17,600 This ensures that the logo isn't too large for most servers and takes up less space for 449 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,600 users. 450 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,600 Good job. 451 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,600 You're three for three. 452 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,600 All right. 453 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,600 Ready? 454 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,600 Yes. 455 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,880 The total number of logo design services in the US is estimated to be $3 billion. 456 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,880 True or false? 457 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:30,880 False. 458 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,880 It's true. 459 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,160 This number includes small, medium and large size businesses. 460 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,160 Okay. 461 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,160 Just make him lose. 462 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,160 All right. 463 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,160 Number four. 464 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,800 Here we go. 465 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:49,240 People generally spend 20 to 30 minutes making their own logo without help from a professional. 466 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,240 That's true. 467 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,240 False. 468 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,240 False. 469 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,840 They generally spend five to 15 minutes to make their own logo. 470 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,840 Five minutes. 471 00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,840 Five minutes. 472 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:00,840 Wow. 473 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,960 It costs about $450 to submit a basic logo trademark application. 474 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:05,960 True. 475 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,960 It's false. 476 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,960 A basic logo trademark application actually costs around $325. 477 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:12,960 Okay. 478 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,960 All right. 479 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,680 I need to brush up on some of these. 480 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,680 Okay. 481 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,680 Last question for you. 482 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,680 Here we go. 483 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,680 Levi. 484 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,400 Levi is a Levi Strauss company. 485 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,400 Levi is jeans. 486 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:30,920 Levi used their current logo first in 1995. 487 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,680 Their current logo first in 1995. 488 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:33,680 I think that's true. 489 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,160 It is false. 490 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,160 Okay. 491 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:41,160 They started using it in 1886. 492 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,600 Since it has been so successful, they continue to use it. 493 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,600 All right. 494 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,600 Wow. 495 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,600 Yeah. 496 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,600 Pretty amazing. 497 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,600 All right. 498 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,600 Last question for you. 499 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:58,000 So nine years ago, Starbucks filed a 6,000 British pounds lawsuit against a coffee shop 500 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,080 in Bangkok that was reportedly using the similar logo. 501 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,840 True or false? 502 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,360 I'm going to say true. 503 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,520 And I think I know that... 504 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,920 I think I've seen that little brand. 505 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,920 Okay. 506 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,920 Am I right? 507 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,920 True. 508 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:12,920 Oh, yeah. 509 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,520 They used a similar logo to Starbucks. 510 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,800 It was named Starbomb. 511 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,280 Starbomb coffee that actually sounds like familiar to a little coffee shop that used 512 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,560 to be on the school property called Star Books. 513 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,560 Oh, yeah. 514 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,560 That's right. 515 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:35,600 Oscar Wilde once said, imitation is the greatest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to 516 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,600 greatness. 517 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,600 Wow. 518 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,600 That's right. 519 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:39,600 Okay. 520 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,600 All right. 521 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,480 Well, thank you guys for giving each other a quiz. 522 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,480 Who won that? 523 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,480 I think Darwin. 524 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,480 Darwin won that, maybe? 525 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,520 I think he's by one, maybe two. 526 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,760 We kind of put you on the spot, but thank you. 527 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,760 It's okay. 528 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,040 I mean, I got to brush up on this. 529 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,400 So let's jump into our final question. 530 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,640 And our final question is a fun one. 531 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,120 What's one place in the world that you'd love to visit, a place you may gain inspiration 532 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,520 from, someplace you've not been before? 533 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,520 China. 534 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,280 I mean, China has such a rich cultural history, ancient. 535 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,960 And I think for me as a ceramic artist, I would love to really spend some time there. 536 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,000 And it's, you know, in some ways, I mean, there's just such a rich ceramic history there. 537 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,640 I've been to Korea, I've been to Japan. 538 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,640 I appreciate it. 539 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,600 But those cultures would love to spend more time in those countries. 540 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,720 But yeah, as far as a new nation, I would love to visit China. 541 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:31,720 Gotcha. 542 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,720 What about you, Darwin? 543 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,600 So I've never been out of Southeast Asia. 544 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:44,120 So my goal is to go to Italy, probably because of the culture there and all the art forms. 545 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,120 And the food. 546 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,120 Yeah, the food there. 547 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,960 And probably because I saved so much on Instagram about Italy. 548 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,960 Oh, yes. 549 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,560 So that's my answer. 550 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,000 Yeah, awesome. 551 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,040 Okay, as we end this episode, we'd like to thank our guests for joining and discussing 552 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,840 the topic of design, something that we see, use and live with daily. 553 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:10,000 It has been especially fascinating to learn about design and education and the design 554 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,000 process. 555 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,000 So thank you. 556 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:20,000 Please stay tuned for more episodes about exciting and engaging topics. 557 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,040 Our next episode is about music and sound, and you won't want to miss it. 558 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,760 As always, this podcast would not be possible without the hard work and support of our international 559 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