1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 So give it up to Students Incorporated. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Audience Applause 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:21,000 Music 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:27,000 Welcome to Students Incorporated podcast where we dive into relevant topics and issues related to the world of business, 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,000 technology, education and design. I'm your host Mr. Jason. 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Episodes include student conversations, interviews with thought leaders and inspirational stories with an international flavor. 7 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:45,000 This podcast is created and produced with the help of students from the International Community School of Bangkok. 8 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Music 9 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Today's show is being recorded live in front of an audience of students, teachers, administrators and staff. 10 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,000 And we are excited to share this experience with you. 11 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Audience Applause 12 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:15,000 In this episode we'll be talking with several members of our school community, three of whom are alumni of ICS 13 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:24,000 and one of whom I could refer to as a near alumni and all of whom have come back to school not as students but as teachers. 14 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Which affords them a very unique perspective we can all learn from. 15 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:37,000 In our first segment we'll welcome Mrs. Asia and Mr. G and then our second segment we'll welcome Mr. Tent and Mrs. Lin. 16 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,000 I'm also joined by our co-host Lion and Ronnie. 17 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Audience Applause 18 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:52,000 But first let's hear the quote of the day and get some positive headline news. 19 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Our quote for today is, I promise to keep on going but maybe keep on going means coming back first. 20 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:04,000 That quote was said by Patrick Ness from his science fiction novel, The Knife of Never Letting Go. 21 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Ness is an award winning novelist who has written for Sunday Telegraph, Ailens Radio 4 and is a literary critic for The Guardian. 22 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:19,000 His awards include The Guardian Children's Fiction Prize, The Book Trust Teenage Prize and the Casa Children's Book Award. 23 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Now onto our news, also by Yours Truly. 24 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Here's some positive news from around the world. 25 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,000 The world's first 3D printed school opened its 3D printed doors. 26 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:38,000 In less than 24 hours the affordable housing group named 14 Trees built an entire school in Malawi using 3D printed technology. 27 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:47,000 There is hope that similar initiatives will help increase the number of schools and classrooms that are accessible to not only children in Malawi but the rest of Africa as well. 28 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:53,000 This initiative will enable children to travel shorter distances to school and provide better access to education. 29 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:59,000 Also, a new phenomenon has been catching on in parts of the US of A called bus bikes. 30 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Bus bikes are parent led or volunteer led group bike rides to school. 31 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:10,000 These bike riding groups join up in different neighborhoods around the city and then ride as a large group to school like a herd of wildebeest. 32 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Members of these groups have already noticed the positive things that take place from riding a bike together with your friends. 33 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Kids are healthier and happier and it's reduced traffic congestion during school drop off and pick up times. 34 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:29,000 And finally, a dog named Gucci was adopted by a wonderful lady named Joanna who happens to be 100 years old. 35 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Joanna grew up in war torn Germany in an orphanage and never had pets growing up. Tragic. 36 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:42,000 She loves Gucci and 11 year old Chihuahua and they have formed a strong bond of friendship and trust. 37 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Quote, research has shown that pet ownership and human animal interaction can provide important forms of social and emotional support that can encourage routines of daily living, reduce loneliness and improve overall quality of life. 38 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:01,000 And that wraps up our news segment for this episode. 39 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Thank you for our quote of the day and the news. 40 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Okay, let's welcome our first guest on stage, Mrs. Asia and Mr. G. 41 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Okay, Lion will kick off this segment with our first question. 42 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Mrs. Asia and Mr. G. Thank you so much for joining us today. 43 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Please introduce yourself and tell us what year you graduated from ICS, when you started teaching here and what you teach. 44 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Let's start with the one and only Mrs. Asia. 45 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Hi, Lion. Thanks. Hi, guys. 46 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,000 When did I graduate from here? 2015. 47 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,000 And I came back to teacher in 2019. So like as soon as I could. 48 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:55,000 And I was teaching middle school visual arts until this last year when I just had a baby. So I'm not teaching here anymore. 49 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:04,000 Cool. I'm Mr. G or Gersom or Gert Simon Arnoldus de Koning. And I graduated. I was there at the beginning when it all began. 50 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Actually, I was there when we moved to this campus in ninth grade. 51 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:17,000 And so I graduated 2008 and I started teaching in 2017, I think it was. And this would be in my sixth year. 52 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:22,000 So like, yeah, fifth or I don't know. I lost count. Sorry. 53 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:30,000 We know it might be hard to choose, but what are some of your favorite memories from ICS? 54 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:36,000 Okay. My favorite memories would be, well, two, maybe three. 55 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:44,000 I was on the volleyball team with no volleyball team for quite a while. And so I started a JV volleyball team with my friends. 56 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:49,000 So that was quite a fun memory because it was specifically my group of friends. 57 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Then also playing a sport, which is funny. You know, you have long, long bus rides to ISB to, you know, fool around and do stupid stuff, essentially. 58 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,000 So that was that's one really fun memory. And then the second one would be all the shows. 59 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:09,000 We did a lot of shows when I was in high school. I did like almost shows every year except ninth grade, I think, on the stage here. 60 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:15,000 So those are definitely favorite memories. Back then, we would stay till 10 p.m. every night. 61 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:23,000 And I'd go home on the BTS in full makeup. So one of my favorite memories is being with my friends on the BTS. 62 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:30,000 And I'm in like ghost makeup still. And all these Thai people were like looking at me like, oh, these white people, man. 63 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,000 It's bad for our country. So yeah, that would be those two favorite moments. 64 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:42,000 And the third favorite memory, there was lock in back then where we would stay overnight at school. I know nerds, right? 65 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:49,000 But anyway, we liked it. And so we there was one night like that we did capture the flag, 66 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,000 but it was all over different parts of the school. And the school was really new back then. Right. 67 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:59,000 So there's lots of hidden places. So I think it was four teams all playing off against each other at the same time. 68 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:07,000 And then we all were black. And then a way that we would like make each other more visible is by throwing flour on each other. 69 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:13,000 So white. Right. So and that was just super fun getting there with each team had a jail and all that. 70 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:18,000 And we played that for like two or three hours. Got really into I think at some point half the people had stopped playing. 71 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 But me and my friends were still like, yeah, so we that was a really fun memory. 72 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:27,000 I think a lot of those after school events that were kind of back then we didn't have student ministries, 73 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:36,000 but it was pretty much student ministries led events that were really fun for making like those memories that actually stay with you for the rest of your life. 74 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. Basically, obviously the teachers at ICS are top notch. Right, guys. 75 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Okay. Not as excited as I was hoping for. Let's try again. The teachers are top notch. Right. 76 00:07:50,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Okay. Yes. So teachers are fantastic. They were, you know, definitely made especially those after school and outside of school experiences so much fun. 77 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:09,000 I think for me personally, just the memories I shared with like my smaller group of friends was stuff that like I'll never forget. Just really special. 78 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Yeah, this this did not happen to me, but I do remember the senior class ahead of me. 79 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,000 I remember the story came out later about senior trip that I just thought was hilarious. 80 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:26,000 One of our good friends, so a bit older than me, was like notorious for being disorganized and late for everything. 81 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,000 And they told everyone be at the bus for senior trip to go to the beach at this time. 82 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:37,000 And of course, everyone's there except this one kid. And they waited for him like an hour or two hours maybe. 83 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,000 And finally, they're like, we got to go because we need to catch the ferry to get to the island. 84 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,000 And so they left just as he was arriving in a taxi. 85 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:52,000 And so he literally paid the taxi to chase the bus all the way to the ferry at the port. 86 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:57,000 And at the last second, lost them. They crossed the water without him. 87 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:04,000 He sees them go and he ended up having to like stay at a hotel that night because he was like that eager to get on senior trip. 88 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,000 He stayed at a hotel, caught the next ferry the next day and was able to go. 89 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:13,000 But I feel like that's a short little picture of how valuable those outside of school experiences are. 90 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Even for this guy who like he didn't show up. But at the end of the day, he made it to the beach. 91 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,000 That's what matters. 92 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:25,000 There's some great anecdotes. Thank you very much. And here's our next question. 93 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Yes, I'll give you time to laugh. Are you done yet? Okay, cool. 94 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Now, what inspired you to become a teacher? What was your calling? 95 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,000 And then what led you back to the school where you graduated from? 96 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:45,000 For me, becoming a teacher was something I always wanted to do. My mom is a teacher. My dad, Mr. Jason. 97 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:51,000 I don't know if you guys didn't know this is my dad. Mr. Jason is a teacher. My grandma's our teachers. 98 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Everybody in my family basically are teachers. And so it was something that I always was interested in. 99 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:02,000 And then in high school, I had a couple of key teachers here that really poured into me. 100 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:07,000 And I thought, you know what? I want to do what they're doing for me in the lives of other students. 101 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:12,000 And so that's why I chose this path. 102 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,000 So let me tell you a little story line. 103 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:26,000 Actually, I did want to be a teacher. Not immediately. I first started off wanting to be a Spanish teacher. 104 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:33,000 CC. That's all my Spanish. No, just kidding. I do remember more of that. 105 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,000 But back then I was dating a Puerto Rican girl, so that's why I was really into becoming a Spanish teacher. 106 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Anyway, we broke up, so then no more Spanish teacher. I wanted to become a history teacher. 107 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,000 And I did want to do that for quite a long time. 108 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:54,000 But then eventually I realized that the thing that I was, I guess, most interested in was doing theater. 109 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:00,000 So then I didn't actually study teaching. I studied event management and theater. 110 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:07,000 So I did that first. And I did a couple gigs teaching, some with my best friend who hates teaching. 111 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:12,000 And he came after the workshop and was like, that was horrible. Those children are mad. 112 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:17,000 And I was like, that was fun. Those children are cool. And he was like, okay, you're the teacher. I'm not. 113 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,000 So we started doing some stuff like that. And then eventually I got into applied theater, 114 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,000 which is specifically working with groups of people. 115 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,000 And they also said, dude, you should go for this teenage range. That's probably where you're going to be best at. 116 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,000 So I was like, okay, cool. And I wasn't actually going to teach at ICS. 117 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:39,000 I was going to start my own company in Singapore and do business to business coaching and theater and acting all at the same time. 118 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:44,000 But then I got a message from Mr. Darren, who I think is visiting ICS today. 119 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:50,000 And he said to me, hey, would you be interested to teach ICS even if it was just one year? 120 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,000 And I was like, I'll think about it. I'll let you know. I'm not sure yet. 121 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:00,000 So I talked with my wife about it. We were expecting our first baby at that time as well. 122 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,000 And then she was like, you know what? Let's just try it out for one year. 123 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:08,000 And then it was actually Mr. Luke who convinced me by being a great boss to stay till now. 124 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,000 And now Ms. Amber, of course, is keeping me going as well. 125 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:17,000 So kind of the admin team convinced me through being great bosses to stay and teach. 126 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:22,000 And now I love it because you guys are awesome. So yeah, round of applause for yourselves. 127 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,000 By the way, I got to throw this in there. Shrek was great. So thank you for that. 128 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:33,000 So thank you for all the student actors and all the tech people. It was great. 129 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:38,000 So now that you both are parents, what are some important qualities you look for in a teacher, 130 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,000 especially if your son or daughter is in that teacher's class? 131 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,000 You must have a different perspective now that you're both parents. 132 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:50,000 So I'm going to keep this short because my baby is six months old. He's not in school yet. 133 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:56,000 But I must say, as I'm looking forward to the future, I think oftentimes as a student, 134 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,000 some of the best classes, best quote unquote, are the ones where you can really goof off a lot 135 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:06,000 and just have fun, maybe not even really study that much. It's so chill, you know? 136 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:14,000 But now as a parent, I think, I don't know, the better version is to actually have something more rigorous. 137 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:20,000 So in my mind as a student, it's like, can I slack off a little bit here? That sounds really fun. 138 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,000 But probably what's better for my baby is to be in a class that's going to push him. 139 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,000 So maybe that's where my mindset has changed a bit now that I'm a parent. 140 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Still have fun, but also study. 141 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:40,000 I feel like a diverse experience is the most important, getting different perspectives from different types of people, 142 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:46,000 different types of specialisms, right? So I feel like being well-rounded and holistic in the approach is important. 143 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,000 But I think the most important thing, and I do think that's something that ICS does have, 144 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:56,000 is teachers that care that even if their opinion is different than yours, they'll still respect you as a person. 145 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:02,000 I think that to me is the baseline of extreme. Like me and the teacher could disagree completely on something, 146 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:08,000 but as long as I felt like the teacher was trying their best to teach my child, I think that's the most important thing to me. 147 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:14,000 And then obviously growing in character. When I didn't have kids, somebody asked me, 148 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,000 would you rather have a smart kid or a kind kid? And I said smart kid. And now I'm like, no, kind kid. 149 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:24,000 It's much more important to be a good person than it is to be smart. They're the smartest in the room. 150 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,000 So I feel like if they teach that aspect, I think that's really important to me. 151 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,000 I think kids know too, if you care about them, they can tell. 152 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:38,000 So I think that even from a really little age, it's important to be with people who care, truly care. 153 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Thank you for that, everybody. Time for our next question. 154 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,000 This question is more in line of our chapel's usual questions. 155 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:51,000 What did you do to maintain spiritual health after you graduated from ICS or university? 156 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:56,000 Okay. So I'm an example of what not to do after. 157 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,000 My parents took me to an international church, which was a tiny international church, 158 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:06,000 and they said, go here, it's near your house. And I was like, and this is my face the whole time. 159 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:11,000 This was the type of church they didn't allow electric guitars because electric guitars are from the devil. 160 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:18,000 So I was like, no, bro, I'm not going here. And so I didn't go, even though it was literally a five-minute walk from my house. 161 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:24,000 I was like, no, I'm not going. However, thankfully, my best friend, who's still my best friend to this day, 162 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:29,000 we met in opening week of my university. He showed me a little book. His sister had written, and there was a cross in there. 163 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 And I was like, hey, are you Christian family? And then he's like, yeah, I'm Christian. 164 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:38,000 And then we had this really long hug, even though we just met each other. 165 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:43,000 We're very passionate people. And then and so that did maintain some sort of spiritual growth. 166 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:50,000 But I wasn't going to church for quite a number of years simply because every time I would go to one, 167 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,000 I would find something I disagreed with, even if overall it was good. 168 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 I would find I would nitpick the one thing I didn't like. 169 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:02,000 So, oh, well, that pastor mentioned something about women that I didn't like. And so the whole church is gone. 170 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,000 So I did that for, I think, a year and a bit. And then my wife flew over and she was like, 171 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,000 let's just go check out that church that you hated so much that one time you visited and judged in one go, 172 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:16,000 because maybe you were judging too fast. I was like, no, I don't judge too fast. Totally do. 173 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:22,000 Anyway, and so I went again. And that ended up being a really great church because because I kicked back at them 174 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:27,000 a little bit about certain things like electric guitars, they they they wanted that they wanted to grow as a church. 175 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,000 And so we ended up joining their worship team. I even brought an electric guitar one time and got away with it. 176 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:38,000 And the church grew quite a bit from that and from being a from being in a place where I was judging others 177 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,000 because they didn't do that, interpret that verse the right way or whatever. 178 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:48,000 They I went to more of a place of like, OK, how can I contribute to a community in a meaningful way, 179 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:53,000 even if I don't agree with everything that this specific pastor or whatever believes? 180 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:58,000 And I think it's really that Bible verse looking at the splinter in your own eye rather than the log. 181 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,000 I was sorry, the log of your own eye rather than the splinter in someone else's eye. 182 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:06,000 I think that's really what I was doing. I was really focused on like their errors and problems, 183 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:11,000 whereas I obviously had judgment issues, which I've I've worked on now. 184 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,000 You're perfect now, right? Yeah, I'm perfect. 185 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:21,000 I think along the lines of obviously being a part of a church is important if that's important to you. 186 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,000 But choosing friends, I think is just as important. 187 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,000 Who you're surrounding yourselves with, not just on a Sunday when you're going to church, 188 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,000 but who you're spending your time with the rest of the week is key. 189 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Obviously, not just insulating yourself with people who only think like you and only act like you, 190 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:43,000 but maybe making those inner people who you trust the most and want to grow with, 191 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:48,000 people that you agree with and have similar values because they're going to push you to be the person that you want to be, 192 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,000 rather than all of a sudden, five, six years later, realizing, oh, my goodness, 193 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,000 how did I get off track from this vision of who I was going to be when I was 18 years old? 194 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Choosing those people, especially if you're far away from family, is really important in maintaining those relationships. 195 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,000 Yeah, I would even say like finding people who challenge you. 196 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Like a lot of my I went to a secular university and a lot of those friends of mine that I made there that were the right friends, 197 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,000 they questioned me on things in my faith, even though they're not Christians. 198 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,000 So why do you Christians believe the X, Y, Z? And I'd be like, oh, actually, I don't know. 199 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:25,000 You know what I mean? And it forced me to actually examine things that I believe rather than like blindly accepting things, 200 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,000 which it can be easy to do if you're surrounded by that. 201 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:35,000 You can kind of go, oh, that makes sense, right? But does it? You know, and getting those smart people that actually sharpen you. 202 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Yeah. And that's a really good point. 203 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:46,000 OK, thank you for that advice. And now breaking from our normal format slightly, we've got two questions from our audience. 204 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:51,000 Go ahead and step up to the microphone, introduce yourself and ask your question. 205 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:58,000 Our student question can come first. 206 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:07,000 My name is Eliza and I was just wanting to know what were some cultural challenges that you guys faced when transitioning from high school to university in a different country? 207 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:19,000 OK, the biggest one for me, obviously, there were lots of probably little things like I remember a friend telling me she went to the States for college and was like, what are mailboxes? 208 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Like things like, you know, little things that are important in life you just don't think about. 209 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:32,000 But the biggest thing for me was probably like going to the U.S. for college, which is where I went, and then getting a job, which in certain cultures, American culture, 210 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:39,000 most kids get jobs really early and start driving cars at like 14, 15, and they have jobs throughout high school. 211 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,000 So I was like showing up as an 18 year old and like hadn't really had a real job. 212 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,000 I had a driver's license, but I could barely drive, like just things that I was not adjusted to. 213 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,000 So learning like what it looks like to have a job was really important to me. 214 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:58,000 And I think my first my first job experience was kind of like a fail. 215 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,000 And it taught me a lot because I didn't know what I was doing going into it. 216 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:13,000 And I think my bosses were expecting that I had more wherewithal than I did that I had more experience because obviously they assumed that I had been working before. 217 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 So that was probably my biggest thing. 218 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,000 But there's not really any way you can prepare for some of that until you just have to go through it. 219 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 Fail. Get back up and keep going. 220 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:27,000 OK. My biggest one, starting as a city boy in Bangkok. 221 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,000 There's no 7-Eleven in the Netherlands. 222 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,000 And if there is one, it's not open 24 hours. 223 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000 This baffled me. I got to the store at 6 p.m. 224 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:42,000 And they said, sir, we're closed at 6 p.m. Who would shop after 6 p.m. for groceries? 225 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,000 And I was like, I would. Can I go in? 226 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,000 And I had no food. 227 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,000 So I begged the lady to please let me go grab some food. 228 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,000 So she let me in and I in five minutes I grabbed some crap. 229 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 I don't even know what I got. 230 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,000 And then I went home and ate it poorly cooked as well. 231 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000 So that was shock number one. 232 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:07,000 An on-time culture is very different than a Thai Sabai culture. 233 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000 I would go to meetings. 234 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,000 We'd have meetings with our uni people, say it's at 9 a.m. 235 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:19,000 I'd show up at 9.15 because you know, oh, I can still up a little late. 236 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,000 And I show up with food and I'd be like, oh, I'll eat more. 237 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,000 I wouldn't say that, but in Dutch I'd be like, yeah, go ahead, eat, whatever. 238 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 And then they're looking at me like, dude, so rude. 239 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,000 Why are you eating at a meeting? That's so weird. 240 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000 You've got to get work done, man. 241 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 I'm like, oh, sorry. And you're late. 242 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:38,000 I was so late that my lecturer called me out in front of a lecture hall this big 243 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,000 and was like, you can never be late because you are not inconspicuous. 244 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000 And so things like that, I think. 245 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:50,000 And then another thing would be like a direct blunt culture versus a Thai more like 246 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:55,000 conflict avoidant culture or you use friends to talk to other people about problems, 247 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,000 whereas Dutch people are very, very direct and very blunt. 248 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:04,000 One of my first questions I got, I think that the day of my first day of class, 249 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,000 somebody went, oh, you're a Christian. 250 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000 What's your stance on abortion? 251 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,000 And they just met me like, and I was like, whoa, okay. 252 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000 So, you know, that blunt versus I think, again, those cultural shocks, 253 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,000 not something you can prepare for that much. You just have to go through it. 254 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,000 The time thing, though, like if you can practice being on time now, 255 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,000 if you plan to go to a college where you're in like a Western setting, 256 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,000 practice being on time now because it will pay off. 257 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,000 I feel like I'm still learning to be on time. 258 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:40,000 Tech class is a great place to practice that, FYI. 259 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 All right. Hello. My name is Mr. Mike. 260 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,000 What's the weirdest thing you have found either in the teacher's break room, 261 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:53,000 refrigerator, or the classroom that you moved into? 262 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,000 The weirdest thing? 263 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,000 You probably have found really weird things. 264 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,000 The weirdest thing I found was I went through a stash of old photos, okay? 265 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000 And so I've been at school here. 266 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,000 And so some of the photos I was like, okay, that's just me on stage. Cool. 267 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000 I found a photo of me in that play. That's so cool. 268 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,000 And there's one photo of me doing tech stuff, but it looks like it was taken 269 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000 secretly around a corner. 270 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000 And like I'm not even looking at the camera. 271 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000 I'm like focused on what I'm doing. 272 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,000 And I'm in one of those weird working positions. 273 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000 So it's a very creeper like stalker photo. 274 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,000 And I was like, who took this photo? 275 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,000 So I asked Michelle, I like, did Mr. Phillip take this photo of me 276 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000 or did somebody else take this photo of me before? 277 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000 She's like, no, we never. 278 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Maybe somebody from the yearbook club took it of you. 279 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000 I went back to the year that I was in. 280 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,000 And I looked at the yearbook club and I was like, it's nobody from the yearbook club. 281 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:49,000 So it means I had a secret admirer who took that photo of me unbeknownst to me. 282 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,000 But the fact that I found it is the weirdest part because like it's not even a good photo. 283 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,000 It was just there in the stash. 284 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,000 Is it hanging in your office? 285 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,000 No, I kept it just because it's a weird memory. 286 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Yeah, that is unnerving. 287 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,000 It's very strange. 288 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,000 Mine is not that exciting. 289 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:09,000 I found like in the art room, I was going through my first year all the closets 290 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,000 and some of the cabinets are like really high up there. 291 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,000 So I was like up on a stool and opened these really tall cabinets up at the top. 292 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,000 And there were just like these heads, fake heads sitting up in the closet. 293 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,000 It's like, whoa, really shocked me because a lot of the cabinets were empty. 294 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,000 But that one, just real surprise, some heads. 295 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,000 All right. Thank you, audience, for those questions. 296 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Okay. Thank you, everyone. 297 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,000 That concludes our first segment. 298 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:53,000 We'll return for part two right after this short PSA announcement. 299 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,000 At the Yotel in Singapore, it's a hotel, by the way, on Orchard Road, 300 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:02,000 the televisions in each room have a channel dedicated to a show of people yawning. 301 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,000 Yes, you heard that correctly. Just people yawning. 302 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,000 According to WebMD.com, a very credible source, 303 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,000 yawning is a common reflex where you open your jaw wide, 304 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,000 taking a deep breath and then quickly exhale. 305 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,000 Typically, you feel more relaxed right after you yawn. 306 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000 There's no exact reason why people yawn, but there are many theories, 307 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000 none of which are listed here. 308 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,000 If you glance over at your neighbor and you see them yawning or sleeping, 309 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,000 feel free to gently or not gently elbow them to wake them up. 310 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Okay, back to our show. 311 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,000 Okay, we are back for part two, and we welcome our next two guests, 312 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:51,000 Mr. Tent and Mrs. Lin. 313 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,000 Ronnie will start us off with our first question. 314 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,000 Can you please introduce yourself, say what year you graduated from, 315 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,000 what you're teaching, and when you started teaching. 316 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,000 Okay, I guess I'll go first. 317 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,000 I'm the secret pseudo-alum from ICS. 318 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,000 I actually graduated from Dulat International School, 319 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:17,000 and the year I graduated was 1996, which is why I did not graduate from ICS, 320 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,000 because when ICS started, they only went up to grade eight, 321 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,000 and I was in grade 10, and so I was too old for ICS. 322 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:30,000 But I have seen ICS from day one onwards as a close onlooker, 323 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,000 as my mom was a teacher from the first year of ICS, 324 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000 and she's still working here today. 325 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,000 I am teaching geometry here at ICS. 326 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:45,000 I started teaching geometry just last January, actually. 327 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,000 But speaking of coming back to your alma mater, 328 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:53,000 I actually taught at the school I graduated from in Malaysia, 329 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000 Dulat International School, for nine years, 330 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,000 and then took a break and then had to come back to teaching. 331 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000 It's wonderful. 332 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,000 Applause 333 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Hi, guys. Mr. Tent. 334 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:15,000 I graduated in 2013, and I started teaching. 335 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:20,000 I was a TA at a school down the road called Verso. 336 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000 I was there for two years. 337 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,000 So this is technically my first year teaching as an actual teacher full-time. 338 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000 So, yeah. 339 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:35,000 Applause 340 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,000 Mr. Tent, looking back on when you were a student here at ICS, 341 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,000 could you share a funny experience or story you had? 342 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:47,000 I'm sure you had plenty. 343 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,000 Yeah. Well, first of all, hearing your voice, I don't want to speak anymore. 344 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,000 It's too good. It's just so soothing. 345 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000 I do, actually. 346 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,000 I sent in a video this morning, and it was too late. 347 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000 You guys would have seen it. 348 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000 So if you can imagine the cafeteria right now, 349 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000 there's a table right by the door, 350 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:16,000 and I'm going outside where there's a bathroom and the water fountain. 351 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:22,000 So me and my group of friends, we are lazy people, 352 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,000 and we don't like picking up our dishes and then putting it back. 353 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,000 So what we do is we play Baing Shoop, like rock, paper, scissors. 354 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,000 Whoever loses picks up everything. 355 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000 And we always have fun, right? 356 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,000 And usually it's one of the guys that has an amazing reaction, 357 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000 like, oh, I don't want to do it. 358 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:50,000 But this one day, we came up with a plan that whoever loses, 359 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,000 there's a plate of spaghetti that nobody wanted to eat. 360 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,000 Like, some guy bought it and he didn't want to eat it anymore. 361 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,000 So we played Baing Shoop, and we decided the loser will stick his face 362 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,000 in that spaghetti for five seconds, right? 363 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000 And I don't know if you, anybody know, the teachers would know, 364 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000 Drew Clarkson, right? 365 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,000 Drew Clarkson lost. 366 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,000 So he's one of the guys with the most amazing reactions ever. 367 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:23,000 So he was trying to muster up the courage to put his face into the spaghetti. 368 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000 And we were cheering him on. 369 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,000 He said, guys, shut up. 370 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,000 I'm going to do it, all right? 371 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,000 Give me some time. 372 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:37,000 So he did. He put it in the plate and he not only just left it there, 373 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,000 he swirled his face in it. 374 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000 And of course we were all laughing. 375 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:50,000 And then in the midst of that, one guy had a brilliant thought to go 376 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 and lock the door, right? 377 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Because the door to go to the outside is like a glass door to go to the bathroom 378 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000 where he has to go wash his face. 379 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,000 So while he was contemplating to do that or not, right, 380 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,000 one of our friends locked the door. 381 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,000 So while he was like swirling his face in, he had spaghetti sauce in his eye. 382 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:13,000 And then the camera panned out, but as the camera was panning out, 383 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,000 we saw that there was an eye imprint, a nose imprint, 384 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,000 and a mouth imprint on the spaghetti plate. 385 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,000 So that was great. 386 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000 We were all laughing. 387 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,000 And he quickly got up and got to the door and he smacked his face 388 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000 into the glass, right? 389 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:33,000 There was obviously spaghetti sauce in the shape of his face on that door. 390 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000 And we were all laughing really hard because of that. 391 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000 So yeah, that was the story. 392 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000 Sorry you guys didn't see the video. 393 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,000 I sent it in too late. 394 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000 All right, Mrs. Lin, here's your question. 395 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000 It's different because you're different. 396 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,000 Mrs. Lin, what were some memories you had when you came to ICS 397 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,000 for various activities and sports like a mission trip 398 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000 or a funny basketball experience? 399 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,000 Okay, so since I was not a student at ICS, 400 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,000 I attended DeLau International School, 401 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,000 which has a longer Christmas break than ICS does. 402 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,000 So I was back here in January, still on our Christmas break, 403 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,000 but ICS had started again. 404 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,000 And since I was based in Bangkok, went to boarding school in Malaysia, 405 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000 I had friends who attended ICS. 406 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,000 And one of my good friends, her name is Erica Jenks, 407 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,000 she talked to her basketball coach and convinced him to let me play with them 408 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,000 against Patena for one of the games. 409 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000 Remember, this is back in the early days. 410 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000 You know, the basketball program had just started at ICS. 411 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,000 I did play basketball for DeLau, 412 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:42,000 and I was actually, due to my lack of height, had to be a guard. 413 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:49,000 And so I played as a senior with the ICS basketball team against Patena. 414 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,000 I thought that was pretty fun, pretty cool. 415 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000 They made me do the jump balls. 416 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000 I was like, why? I'm so short. 417 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000 But it was a great experience, 418 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,000 and actually there happened to be a yearbook photographer at that game. 419 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,000 So if you happen to look in the 95-96 yearbook, 420 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 you might see somebody wearing number 9 421 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,000 who actually is not in the yearbook anywhere else. 422 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,000 And just to clarify, I might have to ask Mr. Jack, 423 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,000 would they still use this play? And I didn't know what it was. 424 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,000 But there's a play called Wedgie. 425 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,000 So of course, what is the caption for one of the pictures? 426 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,000 It's like, who is that number 9? Does she know Wedgie? 427 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,000 I'm like, oh, great. 428 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000 Because of course it's like a picture of me standing backwards to the camera. 429 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,000 I'm like, okay, I think it was just the play, and that's what my friend told me. 430 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,000 So I may have to ask Mr. Jack, would they still have that play called Wedgie? 431 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:47,000 Yes. 432 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000 If you could start high school all over again, 433 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:58,000 what would you do differently this time? 434 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,000 What would I do differently? 435 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,000 I'm not sure. Probably nothing. 436 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000 Study harder. 437 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,000 That's it. 438 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,000 That is a good one, study harder. 439 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,000 But also for those of you who are very rigorous in your work, 440 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,000 and I tend to be that kind of a person, 441 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000 I would also encourage you to try some classes or extracurriculars 442 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,000 that you may not necessarily be your top choice or first choice, 443 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,000 because who knows what you might find that you enjoy. 444 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,000 For example, of course I'm a math teacher, so I really liked math and that kind of thing. 445 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:41,000 But I more recently stepped into a side career of doing fitness, 446 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,000 and I had no idea about that, 447 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,000 or the fact that I never ran farther than two miles in high school. 448 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,000 It was like terrible. The worst thing in the world. 449 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:57,000 And I hiked up this really steep hill with a bunch of kids in my youth group and barely made it. 450 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,000 And now if you know me, I love running, I like trail running. 451 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000 So these things I could have started enjoying earlier on, 452 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000 I would have actually had an open mind to try some of these other things. 453 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,000 So don't just stick with the things that you know you like or the things you're good at, 454 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,000 but try a few other things and be willing to maybe not be as good at them, 455 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000 but just give them a try too. 456 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000 That's a good answer. I'd probably say the same thing then. 457 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:28,000 Yeah, sure. Yeah, going off of that, I'll change my answer. 458 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,000 I would study harder and try other sports, right? 459 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,000 The only sport I ever played was football, soccer, 460 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,000 and that's the only thing I know how to play relatively well. 461 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,000 And now as a PE teacher, it's a little bit embarrassing when you can't make free throws, 462 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,000 and you're trying to teach the kids how to do free throws. 463 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,000 Yeah. 464 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,000 All right, Mr. Tent, back to you again. 465 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000 Now that you are a teacher at ICS, 466 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,000 how does it feel being colleagues with some of your former teachers? 467 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,000 It's really, really weird. It's really, really weird. 468 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:09,000 I still call some of them Mr. and Mrs., and I call some of them just by their first name. 469 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,000 I'm trying to figure it out. I don't know what I'm supposed to do, to be honest. 470 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:20,000 I call Jack Jack, and I call Tim Tim, but Mr. Stephen is Mr. Stephen, right? 471 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,000 And I don't know, Miss Carly is always going to be Miss Carly. 472 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:31,000 I think the difference there is because I spend more time with the PE department, 473 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:38,000 so the coaches and all that stuff, so I'm closer to them, I guess. 474 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000 It's also been really fun. 475 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:47,000 If you don't know Mr. Jack before, Mr. Jack was really scary, probably still is, 476 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000 and he doesn't make a lot of jokes when I was here. 477 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,000 But Mr. Jack has a lot of great one-liners. 478 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000 If you guys don't know, it cracks me up. 479 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:05,000 And also, he roasts people in the PE department so much, especially in the line group. 480 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,000 You can't get away with it. You just get burned constantly. 481 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,000 Can you give us an example? 482 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,000 No. I can't think of one. 483 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000 There was one time he just took a picture of his bicep. 484 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,000 I don't know what the context was. I forgot, but he was like, I'm big or something. 485 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000 Just a picture of his bicep, and that was it. 486 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,000 All right. 487 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000 I'm sorry. Excuse me. 488 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000 Now, Mrs. Lin, another question for you. 489 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Since ICS only went through A-frame when you were in high school, like you said, 490 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,000 what were some interesting things about ICS that you remember that first year? 491 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,000 Your mom, yes, was an elementary school principal. 492 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:48,000 Okay. Well, ICS actually started before my mom became the elementary principal. 493 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000 She actually started off as a third-grade teacher. 494 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:55,000 But I do remember walking around campus, helping to get things set up for her in her classroom. 495 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000 And ICS is now on its second campus. 496 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:04,000 Its first campus was back in Pungi, and it was an old teak wood, no air conditioning, 497 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:10,000 no window screens, talk about mosquitoes, kind of hot. 498 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,000 I think there were fans, but if you had the fans on, then all the papers like fly off the desks 499 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000 and things like that. 500 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,000 And there was one computer for the whole school. 501 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000 That was it, one computer. 502 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000 And this, I didn't know, but my mom told me that at lunchtime, 503 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,000 the headmaster and the teachers would sell ice cream at lunchtime. 504 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000 So how different, how far have we come now? 505 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,000 It's so different, but you can see from that that the teachers cared about the students, 506 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:45,000 and not just, well, I know ice cream is not healthy, but not just for them to educate the students, 507 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:53,000 but also just to be with them and to create an atmosphere of kindness and caring and belonging as well, too. 508 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,000 One other thing, too, you think sometimes the flooding might be bad here on campus. 509 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,000 It got pretty bad over there because of the location. 510 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,000 You're talking like wading through up to your knees, things like that. 511 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000 Books in the library got wet. 512 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,000 But you have come a long way, so just appreciate the comforts that you have, 513 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:15,000 like an air-conditioned indoor meeting space for things like chapel, things like that. 514 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:21,000 I also remember seeing boats because it was flooding. 515 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,000 I think Miss Sheila might have that photo. 516 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000 I'm not sure. 517 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:33,000 Boats, they had to use a boat because it was flooding so bad. 518 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:39,000 So moving on to a more serious topic, were there any times when your faith was shaky in college, 519 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,000 and what advice would you give people to help them in this area? 520 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000 I'll go first. 521 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,000 I graduated from an international Christian school just like you in Southeast Asia, 522 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,000 and then I went to college in the U.S., and I thought I was pretty knowledgeable about the world 523 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,000 because I lived multi-culturally and I had experience in different cultures, 524 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:07,000 and it just blew me away how many different ideas and opinions and thoughts 525 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,000 that people strongly believed when I encountered them at university. 526 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,000 And it made me really start to question, so even though I grew up in this faith, 527 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,000 because I am a Christian, even though I grew up in this faith, 528 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000 what's really true? 529 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000 Because I mean, what's like the absolute? 530 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000 And I had to decide because I was encountering all sorts of different things. 531 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,000 Even I did go to a Christian university, I went to Wheaton, 532 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:39,000 but even there the professors would tell you things and introduce you to things 533 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,000 to make you think and really analyze why you believe what you believe. 534 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,000 It's not just, oh, that's what I grew up with, and that was really, really challenging to me. 535 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:55,000 And I realized that I had to decide what was absolute. 536 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,000 Was it what I felt? Was it what I thought? Or was it something else? 537 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,000 And it is beyond me, it's beyond you, it's beyond all of us. 538 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:11,000 God, Jesus Christ, is absolute, and he is still God, even if I don't think that. 539 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,000 And that was really foundational for me. 540 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,000 It's not what I think about it that makes it true. It is truth. 541 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,000 And then because I could stick to that truth, then I was able to move on from there 542 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,000 and be confident in my faith. 543 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:37,000 Alright, guys, to anyone sleeping, wake up, because Mr. Tent is about to drop some fire advice about life. 544 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,000 It's a lot of pressure. 545 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:49,000 How my faith was shaken? Yeah, it wasn't necessarily shaken. 546 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,000 It was kind of a challenge, like Ms. Lin and Mr. Chi has said. 547 00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:01,000 I went to a Christian university as well, and much like Ms. Lin, I thought I would be okay. 548 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,000 I would go to Bible class, I was like, oh, I wouldn't know this, it's fine. 549 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:11,000 And then the professor would drop something, and I'd be like, wait a minute, this is also a story. 550 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:18,000 It was Noah's story, right? It was also a story in another culture as well, the Gilgamesh or something like that. 551 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,000 If I remember correctly. And then that got me thinking, okay, if this is also the same, what else is the same? 552 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000 And what is the truth and what is the absolute? 553 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:34,000 And what is the story that is being told, just as a parable or whatnot? 554 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:42,000 So that challenged me a lot, and like Mr. Chi as well, it was difficult for me to find a church where I was like, 555 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,000 I don't agree with this, I don't agree with that. 556 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:53,000 But in the end, yeah, I just had to pick a church and I had to go with it, and I made the right choice. 557 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,000 So, yeah. 558 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:03,000 Okay, and with that final piece of advice, thank you very much. 559 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:12,000 We are running out of time. Can I have our other guests join us on stage, please? 560 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:20,000 Let's give all our guests a big round of applause again. 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