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Welcome to Students Incorporated, a podcast where we dive into relevant topics and issues

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related to the world of business, technology, education and design.

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I'm your host, Mr. Jason.

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Episodes include student conversations, interviews with thought leaders, and inspirational stories

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with an international flavor.

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This podcast is created and produced with the help of students from the International

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Community School of Bangkok.

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Welcome to Behind the Scenes, Episode 10.

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I am Darren and I will be your host.

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In this episode, we will be talking with our first guest, Mr. Gershom, aka Mr. G, as most

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of us call him around here.

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We'll be asking him about his work on the upcoming musical.

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Then, we'll shift gears and have a conversation with several of the cast members.

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We'll discuss the joys and challenges of being a student actor and some struggles that

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they have.

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We'll talk about their favorite scenes, songs, and what the audience should look out for.

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But first, let's hear our quote of the day and news headlines.

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Thank you, Darren.

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Our quote of the day is from someone we all know and love, the famous English playwright,

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William Shakespeare.

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He wrote, All the world's a stage and all the men and women are merely players.

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Fun fact for you.

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This quote comes from the Seven Ages of Man speech, which is delivered in the play titled,

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As You Like It.

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This speech can actually be read as poetry.

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It describes the different stages of life a person goes through in their lifetime, from

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life to death.

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Check it out when you get a chance.

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Time for some headline news.

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During a recent finance summit in Hong Kong, Wall Street executives were informed that

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Hong Kong was back in business.

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After three years of intense restrictions against COVID-19, Hong Kong is slowly opening

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back up.

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Although some restrictions still remain, the summit indicates a major turning point for

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the nation.

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On Saturday, climate activists protested on the runway of Amsterdam's airport.

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According to the spokesperson for Greenpeace Netherlands, the airport built a new terminal

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instead of reducing flights.

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The airport's CEO responded saying they had a goal to achieve emissions-free airports

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by 2030 and net climate-neutral aviation by 2050.

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Kenya is having one of its worst droughts in decades and it is affecting hundreds of

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elephants, wildebeests and zebras.

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Insectivist seasons of below average rainfall is causing riverbeds to dry up and grasslands

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are being destroyed.

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However, steps are being taken to protect these animals, such as digging boreholes to

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obtain water and transporting water to dried up water pans and dams.

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Thank you for the quote and news headlines.

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This episode is a special one since Shrek the musical is only one week away.

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Our special guest for part one is Mr. G. Let's begin with our first question.

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Welcome to the podcast Mr. G.

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So, a lot of people have been wondering why did you choose Shrek for the musical this

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year instead of another musical?

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Okay, well it's also written in the spoiler alert director's note.

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But it's a childhood favorite particularly for this senior class.

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So that's one reason.

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But also it's really funny and it's really exciting.

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I don't know, it's one of those ones that has all the classic elements of a good story

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but it has the, I'm going to say crude humor.

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Or just to balance out the cheesiness of those fairy tale stories.

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I think that's what makes it, particularly the musical goes deep into the whole like

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backstories of all the characters.

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And that makes it a lot of fun and more interesting than you know your block standard.

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I don't know, not that these are bad musicals but like Annie, it's like it's fun but it's

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everyone knows it already where Shrek is a little bit more edgy and new and the humor

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is a huge element.

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So I think those are the top reasons.

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The fact that it's a childhood favorite and then the fact that it's like funny in a different

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way than a lot of other musicals.

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Is the senior class always something you keep in mind when choosing a musical?

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Usually particularly if there are strong tech actors which now there is generally speaking.

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When I first got here I didn't know those groups as well so it was harder to gauge what

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they were into but I kind of do try and think about okay if we have a really strong tech

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team for one year then I might choose something that's a fun challenge for them and if I have

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a bunch of strong actors and that kind of waxes and wanes per year and sometimes we

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get a ton of both because it's just how long people take the classes essentially.

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That's kind of how I engage.

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If I have lots of seniors in one year then I'm like oh that's quite a lot of seniors

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this year and I've taught them multiple times.

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Oh okay cool I think they can handle this.

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to do something that will challenge them like yeah.

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So since every musical comes with its own ups and downs what would you say were some

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of the more challenging parts about directing this musical?

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I think the number one challenging part is the tech side.

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It's very very difficult things to construct for this show particularly and they're in

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such high volume.

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There are props that are on for five seconds and we have to build them by hand and there's

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a lot of them.

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Whereas other shows you buy them and then that's it.

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Like you can use them for that five second scene but this one they have to be handmade.

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I would say that's the biggest challenge and on the acting side I think the hardest part

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is we have a lot of younger performers this year who it's their only maybe second show

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for some of them and that's a challenge for them and for me because we had COVID they

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just had less opportunities to try out.

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So at the beginning particularly they were like having to keep up with the high schoolers

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which in the past wasn't as big of an issue and now they're fine.

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have to perform at a high school level even though we're at upper elementary or middle

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school you know.

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average.

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Going from that question how does this show differ in general from others that you have

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directed before?

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There's a lot more comedic timing moments on average.

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I should say Joseph had a couple of those and really funny moments but then there was

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also the overarching story that was more serious and sad whereas this is like lots of sadness

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covered with humor to like mask the sadness.

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So I feel like that's been the biggest difference is the humor is timed you know in professional

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shows and even stand-up comedians we think it looks effortless but it's not.

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It's all scripted.

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Everything is scripted even audience interactions are actually scripted but they're just good

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at improvising in between those scripted moments.

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Similarly here that's what we're having to do is like those things to direct are the

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hardest you know telling people like oh yeah you think you're being crazy but you're not

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being crazy enough for the person all the way at the back so we are missing that joke.

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It's like hard to comprehend how big and over the top your humor has to be.

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Hudson has to fart with his entire body whereas that's not a natural thing to do in real life.

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I mean maybe for some people right and I think those are definitely unique challenges and

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then vocally I would say this one's very challenging.

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A lot of the leads have had to do like vocal lessons additional to the rehearsals and that's

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definitely challenging.

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So since we've already talked about the challenges let's talk about what have been some of your

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favorite moments from directing the musical.

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I think the favorite moments some of them are yet to come because we're almost done

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building the dragon so that's one that's going to be a favorite when it's done and I think

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other favorite moments have been there's a lot of funny scenes that have just been really

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fun to put together.

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An example would be like the guards and Lord Farquhar which is Darren who's in this room

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but like when they come on when the guards come on without him first one of them accidentally

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did this like really funny ugly face and this is just in rehearsal and I was like that's

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kind of funny can you all just do that face and when they did it it was so hilarious that

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when we showed it to the rest of the cast they also started laughing I was like this

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is great we're just going to keep this so they'll just have that face every time they

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sing they have this ugly face and jokes like that you don't get to do in other musicals

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and I feel like that's a highlight and then Darren walking on his knees all the time and

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then me being able to make the rest of the cast also wear knee pads and dance on their

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knees I mean it's just there's a lot of things that are very entertaining for me as the director

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maybe not if you're performing it but it's highly entertaining for me particularly and

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then I think a lot of the interactions between Shrek, Donkey, Fiona and Shrek have been fun

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because they're much more I would say they're the more nuanced of the whole show so you

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got your really ridiculously funny moments and then there's really sensitive moments

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between Fiona as an ogre so patients role and then Kylie's role and then Hudson so they

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all have different interactions and a little bit different chemistry and then Donkey and

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Shrek also have different chemistry I actually told them to like give each other notes like

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secret notes and and like start having a little secret handshakes in real life so that their

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chemistry would start translating and it does now and it's really fun to watch that like

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grow so I would say those are huge fun and interesting highlights.

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What should people be excited for ahead of the show?

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Any sneak peeks and how have you enjoyed working with the cast?

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Yeah I always enjoy working with the cast in some way shape or form even if there's

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moments that I'm frustrated in the end it's always like oh no that was fun.

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As for sneak peeks oh trying to give away without giving too much away.

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The dragon is five meters long that's pretty exciting building a puppet of that scale from

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scratch was very fun and interesting.

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The dragon does look incredible from the little bit that I've seen.

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Right yeah exactly so that's definitely an exciting thing I would say the Fiona solos

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are all so so nice whether she's singing in human form or ogre form like just beautiful

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and then Hudson's just rocking rock vocals and like just the amount of like growth he's

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had vocally from day one to now it's like yeah you're really hearing a nice rock edge

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for Shrek's particularly and he has that written into the song like the song sounds like a

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rock song when you listen to it first and now he's singing it like a rock song I'm like

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yes it's I know I think those are and there's just too much there's too much to look forward

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to it's Shrek.

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I would say like if you don't know if you haven't seen the movie watch the movie and

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then if you haven't imagine you had more time to watch the movie and you got to learn more

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about the characters and all their childhood trauma and it's all in musical form and it's

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funny it's just I mean when you put it that way it's just like what could go wrong right.

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So our last question for you today is what would be your dream cast of actors to direct

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in a movie or a play?

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Okay I think I personally would prefer not to direct movies because of how their production

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system works but maybe I'm not holding myself to that. If I was to do a Broadway like stage

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show and I could have anyone I've seen Rupert Grint the guy from Harry Potter on stage before

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for a show and it was all in Cockney and he was really good really fun to watch on stage

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so him Hugh Jackman you know because he's my homie maybe he could like produce the show

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you know with me or something like that and have a little role you know like a little

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bit role.

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Like a cameo.

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Scarlett Johansson I don't know if she sings but you know we'll give her a speaking role

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if necessary because her acting is phenomenal and then Kristen Bell she can sing super well

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so she'd be great.

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Idina Manziel she sings Frozen by the way for those who don't know so those would be

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my female three leads and then just because I don't think he can even sing but like Henry

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Cavill just put him in the show because he's the Witcher.

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Well he's not the Witcher anymore sad news but spoiler alert.

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Oh yeah he got recasted.

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Yeah he's too busy apparently but anyway put him in the show because he's awesome.

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Who's the guy that does Olaf's voice?

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Josh Gad.

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Yes there we go.

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I think that would be like you'd have like amazing singers and amazing performance.

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Oh the guy from Tic Tic Boom who's also Spider-Man.

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Andrew Garfield.

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Andrew Garfield whack him in there.

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There you go now I have my dream cast.

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And then the ensemble can be ICS students so that basically we elevate our status using

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Star Power.

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I think that would be an awesome awesome show and as for what show would be I actually have

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two unwritten musicals so I do writing as well but the problem is I never finish things

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unless I'm like forced to do it.

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So like 1984 I finished because we were doing it at ICS so then I had to finish it and so

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these musicals one day in the future if I have like a more boring summer where I don't

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have you know post-grad degree or something I might want to finish up one of them and

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they're very cheesy in the way musicals should be you know and they're kind of like rock

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opera musicals so I would love to do my own writing and then have such Star Power because

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then for sure it would get successful even if the writing was terrible they'd be like

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well Henry Cowell's in it so.

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Or you could just call back some of your alumni.

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There you go exactly we got some of the best saying this stuff.

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So one of the stories I wrote is about they send this this vagabond prince who's been

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adopted into like this castle because his own castle got overrun by trolls so you know

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he's been living there and he's kind of like the terrible prince that doesn't behave princely

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at all most of his life and he's secretly but denying it in love with this the princess

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who's the like over like her dad is the high king right and then the dad's like oh I'm

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going to give my kingdom to her she's going to be queen but the whole board is sexist

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so basically they tell him no you can't do that it has to be a king she has to marry

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first she's like super annoyed and everyone she complains to is like well you know that's

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the way it is except this prince guy who's like yeah man these are terrible rules if

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I was your prince if I was your you know I would just let you rule and like you know

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I'd support you however you want and then she's like oh I kind of like it so the board

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doesn't like that because he's got a bad reputation so they send him on a suicide quest to get

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an unretrievable item essentially they're trying to send him off to his death but he

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somehow succeeds and kind of that's what the story is about and then meanwhile back in

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the castle the bad guy is trying to essentially persuade the girl to marry him instead so

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that he can take power and that's kind of and it's an extremely cheesy story you know

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it has like they say the caverns of death and there's an echo you know it's like herself

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but it's just a fun yeah fun thing so who knows maybe we'll do that one day I know for

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one I'm very excited for the musical thank you so much for sharing with us mr. G it's

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been amazing having you we'll be right back for part two with the cast members but first

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we have a short PSA announcement from Kush

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The musical is hitting the pack soon the dates are Thursday November 17th and Friday November

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18th make sure to get tickets soon because they are almost sold out and the actors can't

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wait to perform in addition make sure to follow our Instagram account at students incorporated

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remember that's students incorporated one word we post there weekly and we'll notify

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you every time a new episode comes up

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Thank you Kush for the PSA our guests for this part include several prominent cast members

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of the musical we have Hudson, Kylie, Julius and Malachi thank you for joining us today

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we'll be talking to some of the cast about the play struggles and fun times that have

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gone over the musical how are you doing guys pretty good yeah getting close to that

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show day yeah November 17 and 18

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buy your tickets okay so I guess the first question or thing I'd like to ask is like

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what have you guys enjoyed most about the play so far

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I think the co-leads or even just the entire cast is a great group of people obviously

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it's different every show but for the show in particular I feel like we have a pretty

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strong cast that's really willing to work together to make this show great well I've

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really enjoyed like when I don't have a scene just sitting in the audience and just like

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to the show is so funny and just watching the scenes that are not in are it's just really

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entertaining and for the scenes that I am in it's really fun to hear the audience laugh

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so just trying to get the audience to laugh has been really enjoyable yeah I'd kind of

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say the same thing like I love watching our co-leads and well just everybody do their

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part in the play it's really fun to watch yeah I feel like being backstage is such a

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fun experience like watching your friends be on stage and just perform and have fun

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while they're doing it as well it's like you're having fun being on stage and then everyone

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else also is having fun too yeah I agree with what Hudson said about this being a good cast

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for many of us this will be our last musical at ICS I think we have quite a number of seniors

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in the cast and leads so I think that it's really special that this is our last show

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and we've had a lot of hiccups along the way especially with COVID in recent years you

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know bumps on the way but I think that people are adapting well to it and I think it will

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be a good show I think it's great I mean we practically begged for Shrek for years and

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years and years and finally got that senior year so that's fun so I guess kind of shifting

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into a more serious question what do you guys think the hardest part about acting is and

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what are some examples of this in Shrek yeah for me I think the hardest part is the increased

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physicality you have to have with like your body because normally you can use your face

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but when you're on a stage it's pretty far from the audience and so any facial thing

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you do isn't as picked up especially some parts I'm wearing a helmet then you can't

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see it at all you just have to be a lot more physical which takes more energy and effort

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a really hard part for me is when Mr. G gives you just a ton of notes like it's hard to

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remember every single one and implement every single note and so you always forget like

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one piece and then he'll just remind you about that again for example it could be physicality

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annunciation stuff like that that like performing on stage with makeup on like in costume full

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costume is very hard because I like have the most makeup in this place so it's really hard

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to implement all the stuff that he's telling me to do while fully in character I think

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the hardest part for me is including the kind of emotional aspect of my character because

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my character is very emotional in a way so especially for the serious scenes it's a little

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bit hard for me to include that emotion in my acting since I'm very separate in my life

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there's like a lot of scenes where I feel extremely awkward when I'm doing them then

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I'll just start giggling or like just being awkward and it just it doesn't look good in

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the scene and so it's just like having to get over that and just like get past that

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and do the scene like well like you have to get through that to be able to like put on

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a good performance I agree so for me it's kind of uh two things and one kind of less

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serious one so I definitely agree with Hudson and the physicality part this is something

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I've never been good in throughout my years in drama and throughout my plays I've actually

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received a trademark name Zergy calls them Darren hands and he tells people this happens

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when their hands are not organized and they're kind of all over the place second for me has

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to definitely be in kind of a musical sense is uh singing I actually didn't start singing

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until my freshman year so at times I do struggle in that aspect and it's you know it's hard

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to do it especially in character especially when you have to sing in front of a lot of

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people and you know kind of a funny light-hearted one is just all the makeup I'm not a big fan

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of makeup especially taking it off my freshman year in my first ever show it was a class

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show so Mr. G told us that we can do our own makeup but I did so bad that Mr. G said that

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from now on we can have makeup partners but they couldn't even help me so then I had to

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get two but that didn't even work either so they had to call in a specialist to do my

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makeup just so that I wouldn't ruin it on show day can you just remind us what characters

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each of you will be playing I'm playing Shrek I'm playing the role of Pinocchio I'm playing

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Donkey I'm playing human Fiona and I'm playing Lord Farquhar in this show there's a lot of

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mythical creatures there's a lot of funny things going on now without giving too much

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away there's a lot of accents happening so I would like to ask Hudson Smith to just quickly

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demonstrate his Scottish accent but we'll leave the other ones for the show my Scottish

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accent's actually getting pretty good I've been practicing day in day out and Mr. G's

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pretty good at his own Scottish accent so I can copy that and watch my own TV shows

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and movies and really put it into my own he can sing in that yeah Hudson can sing in that

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I also have to sing in Scottish that's fine yeah I think that's something that's hard

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like singing in character is kind of like what I mentioned earlier especially my character

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is pretty short and he I may or may not be able to actually walk on my legs during the

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performance and that's something that's really difficult because there's a lot of red marks

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on my knee that I don't know where they came from but it's exciting that I get to do that

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so um what do you guys think is something big the audience should look out for I mean

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there's definitely lots of jokes I make lots of jokes throughout something you might not

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catch and pretty much anything Darren says is a joke yeah it's gonna be a really funny

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show a lot of times when you go to a musical you're looking for the the music aspect of

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it but I think even the lines and just the talking is particularly funny in this production

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I have to say the same thing like the jokes it's just like chock full of jokes and I

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like watching the original Broadway version I don't think like I've been more entertained

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by a musical before so yeah definitely look out for jokes like yeah like Hudson said there's

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jokes in every single line so it's really entertaining the audience should look out

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for the variety and characters that we have because there's so many different characters

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and there's so much so much stuff going on in one scene like especially like songs like

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um story of my life and I think it's a really cool thing uh look out for the songs as well

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they're like really fun songs and they're super entertaining there are a few emotional

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songs but a lot of them have a lot of like jokes within them like Malachi and Hudson

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both said like there's a lot of jokes within the songs and they're just like the dances

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are amazing um Miss Liz is an amazing choreographer and it's everybody's having fun so it's just

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it's looking amazing I think that one thing the audience should look out for is the use

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of props um this show is the most prop heavy show Mr. G says he's ever put on there's funny

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props there's cool props the set I believe is incredible and it's such like an extra

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show that I think the audience will never be bored whether that just be looking at the

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acting or if they just take a look around to see the little props that like just pay

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attention to how much detail that even the tech has to go into so deeply and I think

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the second thing is the use of dialogue in uh Joseph it was only songs which in a way

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was a good break and really fun but I think it's those little acting scenes that just

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add on that little bit more and I'm glad that they're we're bringing those back the amount

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of lines that some of us have to memorize it's a very long script and many many hours

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have been spent doing that so I think that's another hard part if you have to guess how

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many pages of lines would you say you've had maybe 60 yeah it's a lot what is some of the

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biggest obstacles and challenges that you faced well for me similar to haxton's Scottish

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accent I have a really difficult accent that I've had to learn I don't know if it's an

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accent more than like just like higher pitch I mean yeah I guess it is an accent I have

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to sing in this accent and I'll just say that it's really really high pitched and I have

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a really low voice naturally so learning that and not killing my voice every time I sing

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my solo is difficult so I've had to learn to retrain my my singing and vocal cords I

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think my biggest challenge is keeping up energy because as donkey you kind of have to have

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a lot of energy and I I've had a lot of trouble with that in the past energy is really needed

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in this show especially for my character I think probably other than being like awkward

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one of my biggest challenges is probably like not having to like worry about the dancing

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and stuff like I am not a dancer and then I'm also in this pretty big dance scene so

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it's really hard to like both learn to like sing and dance and it's probably not my strongest

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ever that I can do but that's probably one of my biggest challenges is like dancing I'm

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not a dancer at all two things for me one is also with singing just with range I have

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to sing much higher notes than were in my range at the beginning of the production so

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I've had to go through voice lessons and just practice every single day now I've gotten

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it but the amount of effort it took it was a lot and then another thing is also with

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laugh like try not to laugh during scenes if you do that it completely ruins the scene

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and there's this one particular scene where I think Addy is saying something to me and

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every time it is so difficult to not laugh you know you're gonna get in trouble if you

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do for me I definitely agree with Hudson when I say it comes to the singing because like

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I said that's something that I started a lot later than most people in the production and

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for me it's also one of the songs was quite out of my range both low and high and I think

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that you know I've had to really work at that I've talked with Mr. G I've practiced multiple

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times one on one with him because he'll tend to call us aside and work one on one with

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us with these things helping build our physicality and also just singing in general that was

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difficult and I kind of just started to get it now it's crazy because the show is just

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only two weeks away but you know that kind of just shows that like these things are so

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put together but a lot of it just comes together in the last week or the last two weeks and

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the second one kind of a more funny one is having to do the entire show on my knees

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you know at first before my knee pads came in it wasn't very fun because I couldn't

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really move the packs a very rough surface and then even with knee pads it hurt too much

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so now I'm like have double padding on my knees and it's okay now but now it's like

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balance I have to deal with so it's something that's so fun but also so out there you know

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God I get to do it but it has been a challenge.

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Going back to what you said about everything coming together here at the end we have cast

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members here but another big part of the show is the tech they have to come for these last

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several weeks and since the beginning they have to come until six and just work on whatever

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it is that she wants them to do there's a lot of techies so there's so much work for

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them to do all these this really really tiny props like one little flute and really big

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props like a dragon that has to be held by 10 people yeah so I think the techies have

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also been doing a ton of work and that's all really coming together here at the end as

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Yeah I'm really proud of the techies like I'm friends with a few of them and it's just

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I am often asked me like are you guys gonna be able to finish and stuff because like that

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sort of thing stresses me out and I know for a fact they're gonna be done by the time it's

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show day but I'm just so like thankful for our techies because they are miracle workers

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they're amazing they get stuff done in record time they do like these insane props and like

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like Darren said this is like a very like prop heavy show so this is I'm really excited

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about that so I'm thankful for our techies.

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Yes so many props and heavy things to move those might be some things you don't know

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that goes on in a musical.

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Now just before we wrap up I would like to go around and ask everyone what's one piece

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of advice they would offer to maybe a student actor now or someone who wants to try out

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for a musical in the future.

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For me I'd say the one thing is to listen because the people around you in the play

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whether that be the leads or techies trying to get you out of the way or even Mr. G they

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know what they're doing and they're here for a reason because they have experience and

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so it's always best even if you think you know better you probably don't and as long

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as you listen that allows you to develop your skills and just get better as an actor.

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I would say in general just have fun like this musical is just a really really fun musical

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like the songs are fun and the choreography is fun I would say my practical advice would

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be to just memorize your lines and your dances the point of perfection where you can play

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around with your physicality and your tone and your enunciation stuff like that during

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your scene because you're gonna have a lot of fun with that once you've mastered the

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basics.

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I'd say practice definitely and also I think don't be afraid to take risks because sometimes

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that can make a scene just truly magical.

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I think like listen to Mr. G he has like a lot of great advice for you he is amazing

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he like he knows what he's talking about and Mr. G always has good advice to give if he

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is critiquing you it's because he wants you to do better and not because you're a bad

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actor you're in the play for a reason and Mr. G is very picky about who gets into the

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play and who's not in the play and even if you don't get into a play that doesn't mean

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you're a bad actor it just means you weren't fit for that musical.

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Mr. G knows what he's talking about and he wants you to do great and that is why he gives

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you so much criticism so when he gives you that criticism if you are in a musical with

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him you need to listen to that because he wants you to do good.

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I really definitely agree with what all of you said especially about that listening to

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Mr. G. I've been working with him for I think five years now and he's a great director he's

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always willing to help you out and just kind of what Julia said about taking risks.

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What Mr. G has always told me is don't make me tell you it's too little make me tell you

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it's too much so basically to just put everything you got and if he says hey can you tone that

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down a bit it's a lot better than hey can you tone that up because it's a lot easier

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to put take energy down and bring it up and I think that's something really important

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that he's taught me and kind of gives us all the ability to be comfortable to take those

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risks because we know that like he's not going to be mad if it didn't work out he's just

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going to be like hey maybe don't do that and my personal advice would be to work hard.

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Mr. G can see when you work hard and there's many times like even now like I would say

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I haven't got my role 100% but I'm putting everything I got and like in the past I've

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never gotten it until the very end but he sees that he doesn't expect us to be perfect

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he just wants us to give our best because he knows that our best is what he wants so

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Mr. G can see when you're not doing that so if you're in a show just kind of remember

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what everyone said learn your lines the choreography don't be afraid to take risks and do your

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best.

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Please stay tuned for more episodes about exciting and engaging topics as always this

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school production team keep an eye out for the next episode which will be consisting

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of us having a conversation with middle schoolers.

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