1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,280 Welcome to Students Incorporated, a podcast where we dive into relevant topics and issues 2 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,600 related to the world of business, technology, education, and design. 3 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,600 I'm your host, Mr. Jason. 4 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,980 Episodes include student conversations, interviews with thought leaders, and inspirational stories 5 00:00:29,980 --> 00:00:31,920 with an international flavor. 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,880 This podcast is created and produced with the help of students from the International 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,880 Community School of Bangkok. 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:49,760 In today's episode, we will be exploring fathers from different generations. 9 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,240 I am Darren Wadden-Holme and will be hosting you today. 10 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,160 I'd also like to introduce my two co-hosts, Lion and Linda, and our two guests today, 11 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,080 Mr. Ben and his father-in-law, Mr. Jason. 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,180 But before we start, let's hand our mic over to the co-hosts. 13 00:01:03,180 --> 00:01:04,180 Thank you, Darren. 14 00:01:04,180 --> 00:01:05,600 How about we discuss the quote of the day? 15 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,260 A famous GenX dad, a pretty good teacher as well, and the man who controls my grade in 16 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:15,080 this class once said that if something is worth doing, then it's worth doing well. 17 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,640 But before we get to our dad talk with Mr. Ben and Mr. Jason, here are some headlines 18 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,200 from our newest desk. 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,160 We have successfully completed one month of the school year, only seven more to go. 20 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,680 I can't believe that one-eighth of our school year is already done. 21 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,480 In regional news, Bangkok's 199 hotline is blowing up with calls about snakes every 15 22 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,480 minutes. 23 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:37,480 Watch out! 24 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:43,680 Also, after 32 years, the clearest UFO picture has recently been rediscovered. 25 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:49,900 The photo was taken on August 4, 1990 and was given to the Ministry of Defense and is 26 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:52,920 now available on public domains. 27 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,580 Thanks for those headlines, Linda. 28 00:01:54,580 --> 00:01:56,800 Now let's begin the first part of our episode. 29 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Thanks for joining us, Mr. Jason, our GenX dad, and Mr. Ben, our millennial dad. 30 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,760 Hey, can I jump in here and say something about the quote of the day? 31 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,880 You mentioned the quote, if something is worth doing, it's worth doing well. 32 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,140 Well, I remember my grandfather using that quote when I was young, and my parents also 33 00:02:15,140 --> 00:02:18,000 said that to me a lot. 34 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,020 And now I find myself telling people that as well, especially my kids and my students 35 00:02:23,020 --> 00:02:24,020 and my employees. 36 00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:27,840 So I wanted to look it up and find out where that quote came from. 37 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,560 So here's what I found, if that's all right. 38 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,840 The quote is now considered an idiom, now because it is said in different ways, but 39 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,120 the message is the same. 40 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:43,200 So the original quote goes like this, whatever is worth doing at all is worth doing well. 41 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,200 And according to Google, it was written by a guy named Philip Stanhope, a British man 42 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,240 who was the fourth Earl of Chesterfield. 43 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,160 He was a politician, of course. 44 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,400 He actually published a book titled Letters to His Son on the Art of Becoming a Man of 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,880 the World and a Gentleman. 46 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,840 And it was published in 1774, maybe a good book for your class. 47 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,840 Yeah, I love this. 48 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,600 And that quote was in one of his letters to his son. 49 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,160 So it's worth, if it's worth doing, do it well. 50 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,920 I think that's great advice. 51 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:14,520 By the way, thanks for letting me interrupt. 52 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,560 It's very cool that that quote was passed down from Weimer to Weimer. 53 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,840 I'm interested to know if that is using Miss Asia's class. 54 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,920 Now, Lion and Linda have some great questions they'd like to ask both of you. 55 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:28,560 Yes, I do have a great question for both of you. 56 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,360 Now, our first question is for Mr. Jason, our GenX dad here. 57 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,640 Can you tell us about the first time you met Mr. Ben, the Millennial dad, and what your 58 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,160 first impressions were? 59 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,520 Well, man, yes, story about how I met Ben. 60 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,900 It's a long story, but I'll try to keep it short. 61 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:50,940 So my wife and I were taking Asia back to America for her freshman year of college. 62 00:03:50,940 --> 00:03:56,960 And my wife then had to come back to Thailand to start her job because her job, her teaching 63 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,360 job started earlier in August. 64 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:05,680 And so we were towards the end of August and I was there in Indiana with Asia at the university 65 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,760 that she was attending. 66 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,880 Just her and I walking around kind of figuring things out for her freshman year. 67 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:17,160 And we were in a building on campus and she just wanted to, you know, kind of get the 68 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,680 lay of the land, see the campus. 69 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,120 And I came down to this hallway and there's these two guys working in the hallway. 70 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:29,440 And I think Ben, correct me if I'm wrong, you guys are working on some IT stuff in a 71 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,640 closet or on a router or something. 72 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,520 Yep, yep, that's correct. 73 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:40,800 So one of the one of the guys I actually knew from my college years, 25 plus years ago, 74 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,800 and his name was Jake, and I was like, Whoa, Jake, I haven't seen you in 20 years. 75 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,800 What's going on? 76 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:51,560 So we were catching up and there stood Asia and Ben just kind of standing there in silence. 77 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:52,800 And awkward silence. 78 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,800 Yeah. 79 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,360 So finally, we kind of introduced them and said, Hey, this is my daughter Asia. 80 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,880 And Jake's like, this is Ben. 81 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,640 He works for the college and IT department. 82 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,720 And yeah, I just remember thinking, Oh, this very nice gentleman. 83 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,760 He's polite, respectful. 84 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,880 And yeah, it was a it was a it was good experience for me. 85 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:15,880 What do you think? 86 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,320 No, yeah, that sounds pretty accurate. 87 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:24,280 I think the only thing I would add to that is that you and your daughter Asia were actually 88 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:28,900 not supposed to be in that building on the campus when you were there. 89 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:31,520 So you were already kind of rule breakers when I met you. 90 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,980 And I was like, huh, who are these people with this unique approach? 91 00:05:34,980 --> 00:05:39,720 I did not because I was a polite, mature young man. 92 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,240 But that was yeah, that was a fun way to meet for the first time. 93 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,240 Yes, for sure. 94 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,160 We were breaking just one quick follow up question. 95 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,440 I think I can speak for all ICS students when I think we know Mr. Ben is known for looking 96 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,720 fly, always looking fresh. 97 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,120 Was he dressed nice that day? 98 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:03,560 I don't necessarily remember what he was wearing, but I do remember thinking, I think this guy 99 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:10,080 could take me if I was like, yeah, this guy would be good for my daughter. 100 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,160 He could totally protect her if he had to. 101 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,760 So yeah, I I that's what I thought. 102 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:16,760 I'm flattered. 103 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:17,760 I'm flattered. 104 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:18,760 Super mature. 105 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,960 It's an important thing for a dad. 106 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:21,960 It's funny. 107 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,960 Well, Mr. Ben, what was your first impression of Mr. Jason? 108 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,640 Did he give you did that talk about marrying his daughter? 109 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:31,640 Wow. 110 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Okay, so my first impression of Mr. Jason would have been that moment when we first 111 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,200 saw each other in that building. 112 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:45,160 And I remember just being like, this is a well put together man, as you guys can see. 113 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:51,960 Now that you've had Mr. Jason in class, he's he is also a pretty fly dresser in the words 114 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,480 of Mr. Darren over here. 115 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,280 So yeah, that was probably my first impression. 116 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:06,400 But I didn't have many interactions with Jason until later in that year when he sent me an 117 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,840 email to ask me to take Miss Asia to the airport. 118 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,080 Now this had been like two or three months after I had met them. 119 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,760 So I had no relationship at all with either of them at this point. 120 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,360 So I got this email out of the blue for Mr. Jason, well worded, saying, hey, I don't know 121 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,920 anybody else around the campus. 122 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,160 Will you take my daughter to the airport? 123 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,720 And the first thing that popped into my head was I'm trying to he's trying to set me up. 124 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:33,720 It's true. 125 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:39,760 There were shenanigans happening in the background. 126 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,640 But but regardless, that was a good introduction to Mr. Jason. 127 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,160 And after things had progressed a little bit further, I remember sending him an email to 128 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,280 say, hey, can we have a video call because I'm pretty old school. 129 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:58,000 And I wanted to be like, can I have permission to date your daughter, which is super old 130 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,000 school. 131 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,980 And at this point, you know, I don't even know. 132 00:08:01,980 --> 00:08:03,640 It's not really a normal thing to do anymore. 133 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,400 But at the time, I was like, I was something I wanted to do. 134 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,200 So I sent him this email. 135 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,320 He responds back to me and he sends like, sure, let's set up a date. 136 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,200 And then underneath it, he has a picture of him holding a shotgun. 137 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,960 I don't know when, but I remember that. 138 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:20,960 And I was like, OK. 139 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:26,000 And it was like it was a picture of him looking really serious, too, like serious face holding 140 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,280 a shotgun. 141 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,080 And I remember actually thinking that it was like funny. 142 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,080 Mr. Jason has a sense of humor. 143 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,080 And I was I loved it. 144 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,080 Remember the picture on my shirt? 145 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,080 It was Clint Eastwood. 146 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,080 Oh, was it Clint Eastwood? 147 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,080 Was it Clint Eastwood? 148 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,080 I don't know. 149 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,080 OK, I didn't remember that. 150 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,080 I'm glad you took it as a joke. 151 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,080 I'm serious, too. 152 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,560 Yeah, you know, obviously, it was like saying, hey, be careful with my daughter. 153 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:48,040 But it was also like a funny moment. 154 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:53,680 He's just sitting there like, sir, I promise I will be the best airport driver you have 155 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:54,720 ever seen. 156 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:55,720 This was after that. 157 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,800 But yeah, yeah. 158 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:04,680 When I asked for Jason's permission to marry Miss Asia, I was definitely nervous. 159 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:08,080 I asked him if we could go out to eat at a restaurant. 160 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,760 And I didn't say why, but I think he kind of knew because we've been dating for a while. 161 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,560 And at that point, I was like pretty I was pretty serious about it. 162 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:21,120 And so I asked if we could go out, and it was actually super, super chill for the most 163 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,120 part. 164 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,360 I remember that Mr. Jason was just really easy to talk to. 165 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,200 And I told him like pretty straight out what I was there for. 166 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,800 I wanted to ask for his daughter's hand. 167 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:39,240 And he didn't make me like jump through hoops or do anything crazy to have that conversation. 168 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,240 And he said yes. 169 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,960 And I do remember that at the end of it, he just gave me some great advice. 170 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:49,120 He was like, if I could give you one piece of advice, it would be to pursue contentment 171 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,760 in your relationship and in your marriage moving forward. 172 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,120 And yeah, that was impactful for me. 173 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,120 So it was a good experience. 174 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,120 Good experience. 175 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,720 Thank you for that, Mr. Ben. 176 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,960 I'd be pretty intimidated if you know, my crush's dad sent me a picture of him holding 177 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,080 a shotgun. 178 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,120 I really rethink my choices there. 179 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,640 But anyway, here's your next question. 180 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:11,720 All right. 181 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,320 So what are your favorite things to do together? 182 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,360 Like what do you do when you hang out, you know, father and son bonding, like playing 183 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:17,360 catch the gun? 184 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,640 Well, we do play catch the gun in a way. 185 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:21,640 In a different way. 186 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:28,520 Yeah, I would say one of the ways that we like just hang out together, we play basketball 187 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,720 a lot, which is fun. 188 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,960 We also have something called Friday night dinner. 189 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,720 And that's kind of a plan thing. 190 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,280 We try to do that every Friday night. 191 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,600 It's where we just get together as a family and cook together and hang out and talk about 192 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:41,600 the week. 193 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,640 So that's fun. 194 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,840 What else? 195 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,560 I'd like some of the conversations we have. 196 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:53,920 We'll talk about cryptocurrency or the latest thing happening around the world. 197 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,640 NFTs, yes, which I'm very skeptical about. 198 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,280 But Mr. Jason has a more open opinion to those. 199 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,840 But I'm a little more optimistic than I'm. 200 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,720 I'm kind of pessimistic when it comes to that. 201 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,560 But yeah, so things like that, I think just getting to do life together while we live 202 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:11,560 so close here in Bangkok. 203 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:13,520 It's been a blessing, honestly. 204 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:20,760 So yeah, I think one of the other big things every two years, hang out with my new grandson, 205 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:21,760 his new son. 206 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:22,760 Yes. 207 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,960 So that's a lot of fun trying to make him laugh and yeah. 208 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,000 So see what new pajamas he has. 209 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,480 That kind of stuff. 210 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:36,160 So yeah, one thing I really actually appreciate about Ben, it kind of leads me into this thought 211 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:41,680 is that he has adopted some of my hobbies, which I think says a lot about his character. 212 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:48,960 So another great, I guess, advice for those out there wanting to who may be getting married 213 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:57,240 or have in-laws already is to join into a hobby that your in-laws are doing. 214 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,320 Even if it's not like the your favorite thing to do. 215 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,760 I feel like doing that really says a lot about your character, but also allows you to get 216 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:12,000 to know them kind of in a way that is not necessarily, oh, they're my in-laws. 217 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,600 You know, I've always got to be this way around them, but it's more about, hey, you can do 218 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,360 something together to have fun and enjoy. 219 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,320 And at the end of the day, you might learn like a new board game or you might learn how 220 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:29,000 to play basketball better or yeah, anyway, play trivia better. 221 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,840 So what was that main hobby? 222 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,880 What was the main hobby that he kind of adopted? 223 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:41,840 I think at least one big thing that stuck out to me is when we first met, when we were 224 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:48,600 back in America, I forget what time it was, but when we were back there, Ben had heard 225 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,320 that I had played basketball at the college that I attended. 226 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,720 So he's like, hey, I would love to play one on one with you. 227 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,640 And I was like, you know, and at this point, I didn't know if Ben played basketball at 228 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:00,640 all. 229 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:01,640 Oh, shoot. 230 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:02,640 I remember this. 231 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:08,080 He said, oh, by the way, I've never played organized basketball necessarily, like on 232 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,240 a team and stuff. 233 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,800 So my thought was, oh, man, I don't want to like destroy this kid. 234 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,480 I don't want to, you know, I don't want to. 235 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,280 But when we went out and played, like he really held his own. 236 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,280 He did a great job. 237 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,280 He didn't back down. 238 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:25,240 And so to me, that said a lot about, hey, he's not afraid to jump into something like 239 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,240 that. 240 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,080 And so that was, that was a lot to me. 241 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,720 So yeah, and I'll bounce in there. 242 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,200 I completely forgot when I invited Mr. Jason to do that, that he played on a college basketball 243 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,200 team. 244 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,480 So I was like, oh, this is just going to be a fun game of pickup with, you know, my future 245 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,720 father-in-law. 246 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,720 It was not. 247 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,640 Mr. Jason was driving up and down the court and playing amazing. 248 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,800 So I remember talking to Miss Asia after that and being like, wow, I was not expecting that 249 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,480 to just flat out destroy me. 250 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,360 But it was fun and I did enjoy it. 251 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,160 And so it was a good time. 252 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,040 And thank you for sharing those memories. 253 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,440 Our final question for this segment is how has being a father, father transformed to 254 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:07,440 your lives? 255 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,800 I'd say for me, like I'm just starting out on this journey. 256 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:17,440 My son, Wesley, is almost four months old, so I'm definitely still learning these things 257 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,640 as they happen. 258 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:25,220 But I think the first thing that I've started to learn is how to change my view of quote 259 00:14:25,220 --> 00:14:28,920 unquote my time, what that looks like. 260 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:35,700 And it's kind of funny because I think before I had a child, I didn't fully realize what 261 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:39,540 my capacity was to give more of my time away. 262 00:14:39,540 --> 00:14:43,520 You know, there were times in the past when I was like, oh, I'm doing so much at school. 263 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,200 I'm doing so much with my wife, with my family. 264 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,480 Like I'm giving away all the time I can get. 265 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:54,100 And then when you have your first child, you realize, wait a minute, there's way more that 266 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:56,900 I can give than I thought was even possible. 267 00:14:56,900 --> 00:14:59,180 So I think that's one of the first things. 268 00:14:59,180 --> 00:15:03,160 And then another thing is just very much, and this sounds a little cliche, but it's 269 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,160 true. 270 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:09,160 It broadens and has broadened my perspective on what love looks like. 271 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:16,600 I think, you know, until you've held your child in your hands, it's hard to describe 272 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:22,460 what that additional kind of feeling and love for that child is as it grows. 273 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:27,720 So those are probably the two things that have been standing out to me as I've started 274 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:28,720 this journey. 275 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:29,720 How about you, Mr. Jason? 276 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:30,720 Oh, man. 277 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:37,500 Yeah, I've been on this journey for a little bit longer, but I do remember having kind 278 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:41,580 of like your child in your hands when they're a baby and you're just like, wow, I'm responsible 279 00:15:41,580 --> 00:15:44,180 for this thing. 280 00:15:44,180 --> 00:15:47,160 I do not want to screw this thing up. 281 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:52,000 And it's not a thing, but you know, you're thinking, oh man, this is just a huge responsibility. 282 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:58,140 Yeah, being a father has taught me a lot about myself, good and bad, like the things that 283 00:15:58,140 --> 00:16:00,340 I want to work on better. 284 00:16:00,340 --> 00:16:06,100 And it's just a continual, I guess, learning journey on how to become a better person, 285 00:16:06,100 --> 00:16:07,860 a better father. 286 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:08,860 It's a full-time gig. 287 00:16:08,860 --> 00:16:09,860 There's no days off. 288 00:16:09,860 --> 00:16:11,340 There's no vacation days. 289 00:16:11,340 --> 00:16:15,340 Yeah, it grows you and shapes you, challenges you. 290 00:16:15,340 --> 00:16:16,340 It brings great joy. 291 00:16:16,340 --> 00:16:21,580 And also, I feel like it can bring great sorrow, depending on what goes on in your family. 292 00:16:21,580 --> 00:16:25,620 So yeah, it's a unique role. 293 00:16:25,620 --> 00:16:30,100 Fathers whether they know it or not hold great influence and they have a lot of power in 294 00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:32,660 their kids' lives. 295 00:16:32,660 --> 00:16:36,740 That actually reminds me of another quote, if it's okay if I add another quote in here, 296 00:16:36,740 --> 00:16:38,740 is that okay? 297 00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:45,020 Yeah, so you know the character Uncle Ben and he's Peter Parker's uncle. 298 00:16:45,020 --> 00:16:48,780 Well, remember in Spider-Man, actually, I grew up with Spider-Man comics, so that was 299 00:16:48,780 --> 00:16:50,300 kind of my superhero growing up. 300 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:53,300 And now it's a movie and everybody enjoys going to the movie. 301 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:55,900 But back in the old day, it was all about comics. 302 00:16:55,900 --> 00:17:00,340 Well, Uncle Ben said, with great power comes great responsibility. 303 00:17:00,340 --> 00:17:05,860 So yeah, to answer that question, it completely transformed every aspect of my life. 304 00:17:05,860 --> 00:17:11,620 And there's a lot of responsibility because a dad or a father has a lot of influence in 305 00:17:11,620 --> 00:17:12,620 a kid's life. 306 00:17:12,620 --> 00:17:16,140 I just want to ask one quick follow-up question before we break. 307 00:17:16,140 --> 00:17:20,940 Obviously, there's a lot of communication and a lot of planning before having a child. 308 00:17:20,940 --> 00:17:25,100 Would you say there's a moment where you're both fully ready or is there definitely a 309 00:17:25,100 --> 00:17:27,020 leap of faith that needs to be done? 310 00:17:27,020 --> 00:17:28,500 Ben, you can answer. 311 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:30,140 Yeah, I'll start with that. 312 00:17:30,140 --> 00:17:32,420 This is so fresh in my mind. 313 00:17:32,420 --> 00:17:37,660 Let me tell you that no, there is not a moment where you're like, I'm fully ready for this 314 00:17:37,660 --> 00:17:38,740 at all. 315 00:17:38,740 --> 00:17:43,620 I think that there is a moment when you decide this is something that I want and I'm willing 316 00:17:43,620 --> 00:17:47,380 to push through the uncertainty to have this thing. 317 00:17:47,380 --> 00:17:52,740 But boy, I can't think of anything that would have really prepared me for the moment of 318 00:17:52,740 --> 00:17:53,740 having a child. 319 00:17:53,740 --> 00:17:57,580 So no, I don't think there is a time. 320 00:17:57,580 --> 00:17:58,580 I think it's a decision. 321 00:17:58,580 --> 00:18:02,180 When are you ready to decide that you want to do this? 322 00:18:02,180 --> 00:18:03,180 All right. 323 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:07,900 And with that, we'll be right back in a moment with more of a Gen X dad versus millennial 324 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:08,900 dad. 325 00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:20,700 ICS's very own literature club is hosting a book drive for pre-loved children's books. 326 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:25,420 If you have books suitable for lower elementary students, please consider donating them. 327 00:18:25,420 --> 00:18:28,980 The collection boxes will be placed at the front of school, past the turnstiles and in 328 00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:29,980 the media center. 329 00:18:29,980 --> 00:18:34,820 If you have any questions, you can contact the leaders, Linda Cho, Eliza Mast and Ron 330 00:18:34,820 --> 00:18:44,220 Kotari. 331 00:18:44,220 --> 00:18:46,020 We are back with the two dads. 332 00:18:46,020 --> 00:18:50,140 It's great to hear your different perspectives and stories about fatherhood and just your 333 00:18:50,140 --> 00:18:51,540 experiences of being a dad. 334 00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:54,020 With that said, let's jump back into our questions. 335 00:18:54,020 --> 00:18:55,020 All right. 336 00:18:55,020 --> 00:18:59,580 So Mr. Jason, what differences do you encounter between raising a daughter and raising a son? 337 00:18:59,580 --> 00:19:03,580 Well, I can write a book about this actually. 338 00:19:03,580 --> 00:19:08,300 I think some of those differences depend on your own culture upbringing and your personal 339 00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:09,820 family culture. 340 00:19:09,820 --> 00:19:15,140 For me, I'm a product of the 1970s and 80s Midwest USA culture. 341 00:19:15,140 --> 00:19:16,140 Amen. 342 00:19:16,140 --> 00:19:19,620 I also come from a very Christian home. 343 00:19:19,620 --> 00:19:23,940 So I grew up in a conservative part of the country and I grew up in a conservative family 344 00:19:23,940 --> 00:19:24,940 environment. 345 00:19:24,940 --> 00:19:30,100 So that really affects how I parents and how I think and my perspectives. 346 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:36,220 My personality or attitude actually sometimes can contradict my upbringing in that I tend 347 00:19:36,220 --> 00:19:39,700 to want to bend the rules if the rules don't make a lot of sense to me. 348 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:41,980 And you can ask my wife about that. 349 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:45,840 So when I became a dad for the first time and my firstborn was a daughter, I really 350 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,620 had to think about how I wanted to raise her and what type of example I wanted to be for 351 00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:51,620 her. 352 00:19:51,620 --> 00:19:55,860 I didn't want her to know that I would drive too fast sometimes. 353 00:19:55,860 --> 00:20:00,660 I didn't want her to know that sometimes I would let a bad word slip, usually when 354 00:20:00,660 --> 00:20:02,300 I was driving. 355 00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:07,280 So there was things about that that kind of like the rough edges that children start to 356 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,660 bring out in you. 357 00:20:08,660 --> 00:20:10,420 And so those are the things. 358 00:20:10,420 --> 00:20:15,580 Yeah, that I, especially for the daughter, I really wanted her to kind of look up to 359 00:20:15,580 --> 00:20:18,900 me and think of me as kind of like the hero. 360 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:25,120 And because of my upbringing and the culture that I lived in, being a hero was a big part 361 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:28,720 of like what we wanted to be as fathers. 362 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:34,580 We wanted to make sure that we could protect our kids and especially our daughter. 363 00:20:34,580 --> 00:20:35,580 I'm a guy. 364 00:20:35,580 --> 00:20:37,260 I know what guys think a lot of times. 365 00:20:37,260 --> 00:20:40,380 So those are the things I thought about as a father. 366 00:20:40,380 --> 00:20:42,900 Switching to my son, it was very different. 367 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:48,980 I felt like I could be a little more free as far as like not necessarily so refined, 368 00:20:48,980 --> 00:20:54,820 but I also felt like I was more strict on my older son. 369 00:20:54,820 --> 00:20:57,700 And then I have a younger son now as well. 370 00:20:57,700 --> 00:21:01,740 And I parent them a little bit differently just because of the age gap. 371 00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:05,780 But yeah, I was a little freer with my daughter. 372 00:21:05,780 --> 00:21:11,100 She could get away with a little bit more with me than with her mom. 373 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:13,820 And I usually took her side. 374 00:21:13,820 --> 00:21:17,900 But then on my son, I put a lot of pressure on my son to kind of fit that mold of, hey, 375 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:23,380 you've got to be, you've got to grow up to be a leader and a good example. 376 00:21:23,380 --> 00:21:25,180 And you've got to be tough. 377 00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:30,820 And so yeah, parenting, I guess a daughter and a son is very differently. 378 00:21:30,820 --> 00:21:35,300 This next question is for both of you, but maybe we can start with the newest father, 379 00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:36,300 Mr. Ben. 380 00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:41,540 What would you say are some of the biggest challenges about being a father? 381 00:21:41,540 --> 00:21:44,660 Yeah, that's a good question, Linda. 382 00:21:44,660 --> 00:21:50,620 I think that probably the first thing that pops into my head when I think about challenges 383 00:21:50,620 --> 00:21:58,100 is just overcoming my own natural selfishness, which is it's a funny thing to say. 384 00:21:58,100 --> 00:22:02,900 But I think we all like, you know, have this tendency to want to address our own needs 385 00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:05,540 first before we look to other people's needs. 386 00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:06,540 And that's that's pretty normal. 387 00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:07,540 That's pretty human. 388 00:22:07,540 --> 00:22:11,700 But, you know, when you get married, there's this moment where you realize, oh, it's now 389 00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:15,500 me and somebody else and I have to start looking to that other person. 390 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:19,140 And then you had a baby and you're like, oh, now I have to start looking to this other 391 00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:20,140 person. 392 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:23,780 And then you suddenly realize, like, even if you think that you're a pretty selfless 393 00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:27,020 person, you're not. 394 00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:32,700 You have like all these things that still are vying for your attention and your your 395 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:33,700 needs. 396 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:39,820 So I'd say that being a dad, I've had to really start learning how much of myself I can give 397 00:22:39,820 --> 00:22:43,220 away and how much of that is necessary with my son. 398 00:22:43,220 --> 00:22:45,420 So that's that's on a more serious note. 399 00:22:45,420 --> 00:22:51,820 On a lighter note, it's just having to work during the day and be away from him while 400 00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:56,900 my wife is being a rock star and taking care of him at home is rough sometimes. 401 00:22:56,900 --> 00:23:01,940 She'll send me like photos and videos of him doing stuff or like new things that he's doing 402 00:23:01,940 --> 00:23:03,420 while I'm away. 403 00:23:03,420 --> 00:23:06,660 And it just kind of breaks my heart to like, let's see this. 404 00:23:06,660 --> 00:23:08,140 And I want to be there for it. 405 00:23:08,140 --> 00:23:14,500 So yeah, those are those are two things that I've found challenging so far in the last 406 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:15,820 three or four months. 407 00:23:15,820 --> 00:23:18,900 Yeah, I jumped in here, too. 408 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:24,660 I think time is a big, a big thing because there's so many things vying for time. 409 00:23:24,660 --> 00:23:33,260 And at least what I feel, in my opinion, just about being a dad or a father and a mother 410 00:23:33,260 --> 00:23:34,740 is that time equals love. 411 00:23:34,740 --> 00:23:40,340 So when the when your kids are young and you spend time with them, they feel that, hey, 412 00:23:40,340 --> 00:23:42,220 my parents love me because they're with me. 413 00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:43,420 There's been a lot of time with me. 414 00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:49,220 So that's one, I guess one thing that would be a challenge is just balancing that time 415 00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:52,620 between work and other things, responsibilities. 416 00:23:52,620 --> 00:23:58,080 Yeah, another challenge is finding the one or two things that your kids really enjoy 417 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,740 doing and maybe you don't really like doing those. 418 00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:05,460 But I have a really funny, funny story if I can tell it is. 419 00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:06,460 Go ahead. 420 00:24:06,460 --> 00:24:07,460 We love to hear it. 421 00:24:07,460 --> 00:24:10,620 For example, and this is this is cool. 422 00:24:10,620 --> 00:24:16,660 Actually, it's not not super funny, but it's kind of a cool story about my older son. 423 00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:20,820 So for example, my older son, he is now a professional yo-yo player. 424 00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:22,620 I didn't know if you knew that. 425 00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:24,180 Oh, yeah. 426 00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:25,180 So I'm not. 427 00:24:25,180 --> 00:24:29,100 He said but he he's actually sponsored by Atmos Yo-Yo. 428 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:31,220 It's a yo-yo company. 429 00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:34,740 And he gets like he gets focused. 430 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:37,900 They take videos, they put them on his on Instagram account. 431 00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:39,620 He does things for them. 432 00:24:39,620 --> 00:24:43,700 They send him their product and he plays with it. 433 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:45,420 It's called a skill toy, by the way. 434 00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:48,380 Yo-yo is called a skill toy. 435 00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:51,900 But he's been in competitions in Thailand and the US. 436 00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:56,620 But you know, going back to that that idea of entering into something that your kids 437 00:24:56,620 --> 00:25:03,140 are interested in, I found myself driving to Orlando, Florida with my son in the car 438 00:25:03,140 --> 00:25:07,380 going to this world championship contest. 439 00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:11,020 And I had no idea like this stuff existed. 440 00:25:11,020 --> 00:25:13,860 And it's not something I I'm good at at all. 441 00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:15,220 Like I tried and I'm horrible. 442 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:21,100 But just that idea like spending time with them doing things with them that that they 443 00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:22,100 really enjoy. 444 00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:26,140 I feel like and he talks he talks about that to this day, which is really cool. 445 00:25:26,140 --> 00:25:31,860 So anyway, that kind of like ties into what Mr. Ben and even you were saying about how 446 00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:37,460 just adapting and showing some interest to things other people like can mean a whole 447 00:25:37,460 --> 00:25:40,220 lot more than that just by showing that. 448 00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:41,220 Yeah, exactly. 449 00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:42,220 Absolutely. 450 00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:43,220 Exactly. 451 00:25:43,220 --> 00:25:44,220 Great story. 452 00:25:44,220 --> 00:25:45,220 Thank you very much. 453 00:25:45,220 --> 00:25:47,460 I also didn't know that there was a yo-yo championship. 454 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:48,460 Global one at that. 455 00:25:48,460 --> 00:25:49,460 Yes, there is. 456 00:25:49,460 --> 00:25:50,460 There is. 457 00:25:50,460 --> 00:25:51,460 I didn't either. 458 00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:55,820 My next question for you guys are how do you decide what to name your children? 459 00:25:55,820 --> 00:25:57,140 Any personal connections to their names? 460 00:25:57,140 --> 00:26:00,780 I know there's a lot of story behind names, mine included. 461 00:26:00,780 --> 00:26:05,380 Yeah, that's funny that you say that line because I think Asia and I definitely approach 462 00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:08,660 naming from two very different backgrounds. 463 00:26:08,660 --> 00:26:14,140 Asia was much more interested in choosing a name that she enjoyed the sound of and had 464 00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:17,500 kind of like a playful sort of feel to it. 465 00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:22,940 Whereas I come from a family that's big on like giving meaning behind names. 466 00:26:22,940 --> 00:26:27,420 Like does the name mean something that you want to like speak over your child kind of 467 00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:28,420 thing? 468 00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:31,020 So that's something that's been kind of ingrained in me as well. 469 00:26:31,020 --> 00:26:35,020 So while we were talking about names, we were like, you know, going back and forth between 470 00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:38,860 like a biblical name or name that means something in another language. 471 00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:44,420 And then Miss Asia was talking about names like things from nature or like a country 472 00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:46,620 or something like that. 473 00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:49,820 And so we had a lot of discussion back and forth to figure out, okay, what's something 474 00:26:49,820 --> 00:26:54,340 that we could both agree on that, you know, has some meaning, but it's also kind of a 475 00:26:54,340 --> 00:26:55,340 fun name. 476 00:26:55,340 --> 00:27:00,140 And that's actually how we landed on Westley for our first kid. 477 00:27:00,140 --> 00:27:03,380 Because the name literally means West Field. 478 00:27:03,380 --> 00:27:08,300 If you break it apart, it's West and then Lee is an old English word for field. 479 00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:15,460 So I liked it because it kind of has a connotation of peacefulness and serenity, which is something 480 00:27:15,460 --> 00:27:18,540 I wanted to speak over our son's life. 481 00:27:18,540 --> 00:27:24,740 And also some cool heritage with some of Christian figures in the past that have been named Westley. 482 00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:27,420 And then Asia liked it because she likes the name. 483 00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:30,020 She likes the sound of the name. 484 00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:32,940 So yeah, so that was the story behind that. 485 00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:36,580 Our future kids, I don't know, I kind of imagine it'll be something similar. 486 00:27:36,580 --> 00:27:42,260 But yeah, we and then for his middle name, we went after a family connection. 487 00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:46,260 The yo-yo player Coleman has been a big part of Miss Asia's life. 488 00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:48,580 So we chose that as a as a middle name. 489 00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:49,580 It was great. 490 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:52,260 Maybe you can teach Westley some tricks. 491 00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:54,940 Yeah, some yo-yo tricks. 492 00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:55,940 Yeah. 493 00:27:55,940 --> 00:28:01,700 Well, we, my wife and I chose our daughter's name. 494 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:06,740 She was our firstborn because we really liked the sound of it and we liked how it looked 495 00:28:06,740 --> 00:28:09,100 written down. 496 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:12,500 So we thought our firstborn was actually going to be a boy. 497 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:17,540 But then the night before we went into the hospital, we found out it was going to be 498 00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:18,540 a girl. 499 00:28:18,540 --> 00:28:23,140 So we had kind of Asia back in our, you know, our thoughts that it wasn't forefront. 500 00:28:23,140 --> 00:28:26,260 But that but that night we were like, well, I guess we're having Asia. 501 00:28:26,260 --> 00:28:28,860 So that was that was really fun. 502 00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:34,860 And my wife had I think when she was student teaching, she had a girl in her class whose 503 00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:35,860 name was Asian. 504 00:28:35,860 --> 00:28:39,080 I remember her coming home one day and saying, it's just such a beautiful name. 505 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:46,100 So so we named Asia that and then our older son, because we love the outdoors. 506 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:50,180 And I kind of grew up doing a lot of hunting and fishing, growing up camping. 507 00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:56,140 I had a lot of I had a lot of like camping material that had the name Coleman on it, 508 00:28:56,140 --> 00:28:58,180 because that's a brand in the United States. 509 00:28:58,180 --> 00:29:04,180 And so in college in a graphic design class, our professor asked us to redesign a logo. 510 00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:07,300 And so I took the name Coleman and redesigned it and I wrote it out. 511 00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:09,060 We had to do it just by hand. 512 00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:10,060 So I did that. 513 00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:11,060 I brought it. 514 00:29:11,060 --> 00:29:14,980 I brought it back and I showed my my fiance at the time. 515 00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:16,260 She was like, wow, that's really cool. 516 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:17,780 We should name our son that. 517 00:29:17,780 --> 00:29:20,020 And so that's where Coleman's name came from. 518 00:29:20,020 --> 00:29:21,200 Kind of kind of interesting. 519 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,100 So he's named after the outdoors or camping equipment. 520 00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:27,500 And then our youngest son, Everest, is a combination of both. 521 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:33,740 And we were surprised when we found out we were going to have him. 522 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:38,700 And so Asia was away, I think, on a trip with some of her friends. 523 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:43,940 And some of her friends asked her, hey, what are your parents going to name your brother? 524 00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:45,940 And she's like, they don't know yet. 525 00:29:45,940 --> 00:29:50,460 And so one of her friends said, hey, why don't you name him Everest? 526 00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:57,020 And because Mount Everest is outdoors, obviously, most famous mountain on earth, and it's in 527 00:29:57,020 --> 00:29:58,020 Asia. 528 00:29:58,020 --> 00:30:02,240 So it's a combination of kind of like my son's my older son's name and our daughter's name. 529 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,240 So his name's Everest. 530 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,240 I love that. 531 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,660 Hey, can I interrupt for a second? 532 00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:08,580 Line, you said there's a story behind your name. 533 00:30:08,580 --> 00:30:09,580 What's what's that? 534 00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:10,580 Yes, we agree. 535 00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:11,580 In brief. 536 00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:15,860 So my old name, my dad gave me was something like very traditional, very tribal for Thai 537 00:30:15,860 --> 00:30:16,980 people. 538 00:30:16,980 --> 00:30:20,460 But then everyone would think I, you know, came from the mountains or something, lived 539 00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:21,460 in the tribes. 540 00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:22,460 I didn't like that. 541 00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:24,900 I don't know why, but I didn't like that. 542 00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,100 My dad noticed that I didn't like the name either. 543 00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:31,260 So one day he asked me what I wanted to be named instead, what I wanted to be called. 544 00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:32,880 And at the time I was a kid, right? 545 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,460 And I was watched Lion King. 546 00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:37,700 It was one of my favorite movies of all time. 547 00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:42,060 So of course my brain, young lion's brain just said, I want to be called lion. 548 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:43,060 And the name stuck. 549 00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:44,060 That is amazing. 550 00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:46,820 It's great for the podcast. 551 00:30:46,820 --> 00:30:51,860 Was there ever a time when like your wife said a name and they were like, I really like 552 00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:52,860 this name. 553 00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:59,260 But you were like, oh, so you had to kind of like kindly be like, maybe not that. 554 00:30:59,260 --> 00:31:00,260 Typically. 555 00:31:00,260 --> 00:31:01,260 Yeah. 556 00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:05,860 Typically a name was attached to someone that you knew personally. 557 00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:08,940 And maybe sometimes you didn't like that person. 558 00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:10,900 I feel like a lot of people think that way. 559 00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:13,220 Like, oh, I, we can never use that name. 560 00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:17,220 Cause I grew up with a kid like that and he was, he wasn't very nice. 561 00:31:17,220 --> 00:31:19,340 So we did have conversations like that. 562 00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:20,340 Did you and Asia? 563 00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:21,340 Yeah. 564 00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:23,760 I think similar, similar, similar lead to that. 565 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,660 We had some situations like that, but also just like sometimes, you know, one of us just 566 00:31:28,660 --> 00:31:30,140 didn't like the sound of the name. 567 00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:31,140 Yeah. 568 00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:32,140 Just like, man, you gotta talk about it. 569 00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:35,780 I remember when I was in your class, I was trying to convince you to name your son, Dave. 570 00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:37,260 Darren Austin click. 571 00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:42,460 You know, I was considering, uh, one of some of those names at one point. 572 00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:45,580 So that says anything about the impact y'all had. 573 00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:47,380 That's there you go. 574 00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:48,380 Very cool. 575 00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:50,860 Shifting the conversation to a lighter topic. 576 00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:55,980 Since this episode is about dads, do you have any dad jokes for us? 577 00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:59,420 Yes, I have two that I have selected. 578 00:31:59,420 --> 00:32:02,500 One that I've known for a very long time before I was even a dad. 579 00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:03,940 And I'll, I'll start with that one. 580 00:32:03,940 --> 00:32:10,500 So where does the king keep his armies up his sleeve ease? 581 00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:11,500 Thank you. 582 00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:15,060 That's probably the best one I've ever had. 583 00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:16,060 This is for Jason. 584 00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:17,060 All right. 585 00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:23,180 Then I got another one that I found recently that I was like, yeah, this is, this is good 586 00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:24,620 dad humor. 587 00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:30,260 You know, people say they pick their nose, but I feel like I was just born with mine. 588 00:32:30,260 --> 00:32:31,260 Oh man. 589 00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:32,260 That's a great. 590 00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:35,340 Where's the drum? 591 00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:36,340 We need that. 592 00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:37,340 Yeah. 593 00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:39,180 I got a list of four. 594 00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:42,180 I tried to keep on the theme of like kids or babies. 595 00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:46,860 So so number one, what do you call an army of babies? 596 00:32:46,860 --> 00:32:47,860 Infantry. 597 00:32:47,860 --> 00:32:48,860 Wow. 598 00:32:48,860 --> 00:32:53,540 Number two, how do monsters discipline their kids? 599 00:32:53,540 --> 00:32:55,340 They take away their scream. 600 00:32:55,340 --> 00:32:57,500 Oh, that's good. 601 00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:04,900 And number three, why was the child's blanket arrested for being an accessory to a kid napping? 602 00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:11,620 And then number four, why do they call them dad jokes? 603 00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:18,500 Because if mom made them, it would be called a baby. 604 00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:21,500 I'm still in stitches and really from laughter. 605 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:23,020 I cannot recover. 606 00:33:23,020 --> 00:33:25,060 I just experienced peak comedy. 607 00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:31,580 I would love to continue this session, but unfortunately we are running out of time. 608 00:33:31,580 --> 00:33:33,900 So our last questions are ignore that bell. 609 00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:35,100 This is our bed. 610 00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:40,140 What is one thing you have learned in the past few months about being a new father? 611 00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:44,860 I would say how absolutely amazing it is to see a new life entered this world. 612 00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:49,400 It is you see my son grow and experience things and try new things and like just watching 613 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,580 him in a few months. 614 00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:53,260 All the changes that are happening. 615 00:33:53,260 --> 00:33:58,580 Such privilege and Mr. Jason, if you could do one thing differently as a father, what 616 00:33:58,580 --> 00:34:00,140 would it be? 617 00:34:00,140 --> 00:34:06,340 To be honest, there are many things that could come up with, of course, hindsight's 2020. 618 00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:12,100 I think one that stands out the most is it's kind of general is to be less selfish and 619 00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:13,100 more giving. 620 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:16,960 I think that's something that Mike then touched on earlier. 621 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:26,020 Just as becoming a parent, you really learn a lot about selfishness, but also learn how 622 00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:27,940 to give a lot more as a person. 623 00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:31,640 And so being a father really teaches you about yourself. 624 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,020 So that's one thing I would, I definitely am still working on and would love to, I wish 625 00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:41,020 I could change some things in the past about that, but hey, yeah, to be less selfish and 626 00:34:41,020 --> 00:34:42,780 just really give a lot more. 627 00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:45,780 Can I ask Mr. Ben one more question? 628 00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:47,820 Just about being a new dad. 629 00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:48,820 Absolutely. 630 00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:53,460 So Mr. Ben, what are you most excited about when you look to the future as a dad? 631 00:34:53,460 --> 00:35:02,220 Yeah, I had to think about this for a minute and I'd say that I really look forward to 632 00:35:02,220 --> 00:35:06,940 getting to play games and sports with my kids growing up and getting to do like activities 633 00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:12,380 like that, going on trips, adventures, just spending life together. 634 00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:17,700 Honestly, probably the thing I'm most looking forward to is relationships, like having those 635 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:22,700 deepening and growing relationships that I've seen with my own family and I've seen with 636 00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:26,100 my father-in-law and his family. 637 00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:27,460 I'm just excited about that. 638 00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:29,900 So that would be it. 639 00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:32,100 I would like to thank you both for joining us. 640 00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:35,620 I enjoyed this very much, especially the dad joke segment. 641 00:35:35,620 --> 00:35:37,060 I love that part. 642 00:35:37,060 --> 00:35:39,340 I'm so recovering. 643 00:35:39,340 --> 00:35:43,180 But I'd like to make a connection back to our quote of the day of which I could say, 644 00:35:43,180 --> 00:35:48,980 if being a father is worth doing, then it's worth doing well. 645 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:53,940 As we end this episode, we'd like to thank our guests, co-hosts, and you, our listeners. 646 00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:58,140 Please stay tuned for future episodes as we dive deeper into more interviews and relevant 647 00:35:58,140 --> 00:35:59,140 topics. 648 00:35:59,140 --> 00:36:03,660 This podcast would not be available without the hard work of students and our production 649 00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:04,660 team. 650 00:36:04,660 --> 00:36:08,140 All music and sound effects are courtesy of Pixabay.com, a vibrant community of creatives 651 00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:10,980 sharing copyright-free images, videos, and music. 652 00:36:10,980 --> 00:36:13,100 And we are signing off until next time. 653 00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:40,100 We are Students Incorporated, because your voice matters.