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Welcome to Students Incorporated. I'm your host,

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Mr. Jason. Join me weekly as my students and

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I bring you content that's informative, positive,

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fun and uplifting. This podcast is created and

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produced with the help of students from the International

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Community School of Bangkok. In today's episode,

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we're exploring two different kinds of journeys.

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First, we're looking at the life -changing journey

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of higher education. We are joined by experts

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from Taylor University in Indiana to help us

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navigate the complexities of the admissions process

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and campus life. But that's not all. Later in

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the show, we're switching gears from the academic

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to the adventurous. We'll be premiering the first

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part of our new original audio story, The Mystery

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of St. Augustine. We're kicking off our third

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and final story in what we're calling the Hawthorne

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Adventure Series. The first story we brought

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you in episodes 55 through 64, The Secrets of

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El Dorado, introduced you to a band of unlikely

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heroes who helped rewrite the history books about

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the truth of the California Gold Rush. Then our

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second story, which we brought you in episodes

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87 through 96. followed some of our same beloved

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heroes to the Yucatan Peninsula, where they helped

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retrieve and return stolen ancient artifacts.

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And now our third story, The Mystery of St. Augustine,

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brings back a few familiar characters and introduces

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a whole new set of characters. It's packed with

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danger, suspense, adventure, and history. But

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first, before we get started, let's hear our

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quote of the day and get some headline news.

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To set the stage for our conversation, I'm Josiah,

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and my quote of the day comes from the education

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reformer John Dewey. He said, The quote is a

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powerful reflection of what a university experience,

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whether at Taylor University or any institution

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of higher learning, is truly about. College isn't

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just a stepping stone to a career. It is a place

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where identity is shaped. Curiosity is awakened

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and purpose begins to take form. When learning

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is lived, not rushed, students don't just earn

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degrees. They develop character, conviction,

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and clarity for the road ahead. It's a reminder

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that the value of university isn't only found

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in outcomes or titles, but in who you become

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along the way. Thanks, Josiah. I'm proud to hear

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the three headlines impacting universities and

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student experience today. Jumping into our first

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headline, a new higher education analysis across

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Asia shows universities are climbing regional

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and global rankings by shifting their focus towards

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industry -aligned learning and graduate outcomes.

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Education experts note that institutions investing

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in internships, real -world projects, and international

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exposure are gaining stronger recognition, reflecting

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a broader move away from purely academic metrics

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towards employability and career readiness. Next

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with our second headline, industry and university

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partnerships continue to expand as employers

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look for job -ready graduates. Recent education

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reports highlight how collaborations with technology

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and engineering firms are reshaping university

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curricula, ensuring students graduate with practical

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skills, professional certifications, and hands

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-on experience that align with current market

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needs. Now onto our last headline. International

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education market trends reveal that Malaysia

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is emerging as a key regional hub for global

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students and education investment. Analysts point

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to factors such as English medium programs, internationally

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recognized degrees, and competitive tuition fees

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as drivers of this growth, while also noting

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that universities are facing increased competition

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to innovate and stand out. These stories clearly

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show that universities today are evolving beyond

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traditional classrooms into global. ecosystem

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where academic learning, career preparation,

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and international opportunity intersect. Thank

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you for the quote and the headline news. The

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landscape of higher education is shifting toward

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real -world readiness, which is the perfect lead

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-in for our guests today. We're excited to yet

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again have two returning guests from Taylor University

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for our guest segment. Josiah, go ahead and get

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us started. Welcome to the show. Please introduce

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yourself and let us know what you do. Hi, my

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name is Andy Gammons. I'm the executive director

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of admissions at Taylor University in Upland,

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Indiana. And my name is Tyler Smith. I'm a current

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senior at Taylor this year, and I am a second

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year admissions intern. As you are both in the

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admissions process, what do students most often

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misunderstand about that university application

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process? I think one thing that students really

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misunderstand is how nuanced the application

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process is, depending on what type of institution

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that you're hoping to attend. So for instance,

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there are a lot of institutions out there that

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what they're primarily looking for is that you're

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interested in attending their institution. They're

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almost a modified open enrollment institution.

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That's how we would talk about them. In other

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words, if you're interested in attending their

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institution, they're interested in having you.

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And that's probably a higher group of institutions

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than you might think. It's probably even in the

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70 to 80 percent of overall institutions in the

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world. And then most people get fixated on the

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smaller percentage of much more selective institutions

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where they're. are some very, very significant

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things that you need to do in order to get admitted

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to those institutions. So I think that's what

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students get confused on is, what type of institution

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am I actually interested in? And then what do

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I need to do to get admitted into that institution?

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So what advice would you give to high school

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students preparing for university? Yeah, I think

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this is a thing to think about, right? You're

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in high school, you're... Thinking about a lot

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of different things, you're in athletics, you're

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in your clubs, you're in academics and trying

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to keep your grades up. And it can be a lot,

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I think. And if I would go back to my high school

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years, I would say to just kind of just chill

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out a little bit and take some time for yourself

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and make sure that, you know, you have all your

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colleges that you're applying to in order and

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you have everything that you need for those.

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And I wish I would have relaxed a little bit

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on. uh my grades i think i think i put that a

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lot of identity into that and uh i you know looking

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back on it i didn't need to put as much um you

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know of my identity into that i still need to

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work hard and i think that shaped a lot of um

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my work ethic in college but i would just say

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to chill out a little bit it's all gonna be okay

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the only thing i would i would add to that is

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I'm a parent of high school and college age students,

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and I would say take advantage of those last

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years as being in your family because that's

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it. You'll never be a part of your family in

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the way that you are a part of your family now.

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And so while it's very natural and normal for

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you to be really annoyed with your parents and

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to be really annoyed with your siblings, Try

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and think, hey, this is it. This is the last

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time I'm going to have the opportunity to have

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family dinner with my family. The opportunity

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I'm going to have to have these types of conversations

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with my parents and throw them a bone. You know,

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take an opportunity to say, hey, let's do one

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more trip together as a family or. Maybe I'll

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just stay home with you guys tonight. I know

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that sounds really lame, but I think when you're

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off away at college, you'll look back and go,

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man, I miss my parents. Man, I actually do miss

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my younger brother who was so annoying. I wish

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I had one more family dinner with them. You don't

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think that now, but you will in a couple years.

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Speaking of taking advantage, which university

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resources are most underused by the students?

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Well, let me speak on the admissions side first.

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I think one of the resources that is underused

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is your admissions counselor. So there are admissions

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counselors at every single institution that you're

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looking at. And those people really do want to

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help you be successful. They want to help you

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either get into the institution, articulate yourself

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well to the institution and to. Choose an institution

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that works for you. So getting to know your admissions

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counselor. And what I would say is at some institutions,

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those admissions counselors are just a little

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bit older than you. They're 22, 23 years old.

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And so they might not be the most helpful person.

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And so find a helpful person in the admissions

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office, even if you have to say. Hey, it's been

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really great to get to know you, admissions counselor.

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Can you give me the name of your supervisor?

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Because I'd love to just talk to them. While

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that sounds like a real power move, it can be

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an opportunity for you to get to know somebody

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else in the admissions. office just so if especially

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if you're finding that admissions counselor to

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not be helpful or to not be responsive find somebody

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at the institution that is helpful and responsive

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and i'll tell you this if you can't find somebody

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who's helpful and responsive in the admissions

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office that is not a good sign for that institution

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because they're on the sales team if the sales

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team is not good nobody else at the institution

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right like if they won't sell you the product

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maybe the product is not going to be all that

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great. So if you're not going to get response

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from the folks that are trying to sell you on

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the institution, it's probably not a great piece

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for it. what's to come. Other than that, I think

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faculty members are really underutilized at the

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institution. Most of the faculty members have

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office hours that they're in their office waiting

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to talk to students. Tyler, maybe talk about

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a time you connected with a faculty member. Yeah,

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it was outside of class. So at Taylor, we have

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this game that we like to play around campus,

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especially when it's nice outside. It's called

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Tolf. And so it's a mix of golf and tennis balls.

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So you play golf with tennis balls around campus.

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And it's a 12 or 13 hole course, I think it is.

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And one of our newer professors in the marketing

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department, I'm in the business department at

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Taylor. She was watching. She was just observing

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campus life and she saw a group playing and she

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came to me. She must have seen me playing or

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something. And she said, hey, like, I want to

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do that. Like, it looks really fun. I like to

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play golf, you know, on the weekends or whatever.

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I want to do that. And so I was like, yeah, perfect.

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Great. So I grabbed, you know, seven of my buddies

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and we went out with this new professor at Taylor,

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this new professor who's trying to. figure out

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campus life and in addition to her job and things

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like that. But yeah, I still have a picture on

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my phone. It was awesome. So that I think speaks

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to the intentionality of teachers. That's a teacher

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example, but I would say to overall faculty members,

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personalities that we have at Taylor. So how

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has the admission process evolved over time that

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you see change throughout the years? Yeah, this

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is a really big question. One of the things that

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I would say, what's happening in the United States

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right now, and I think this is somewhat nuanced

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for other institutions around the world, but

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I'll speak to the United States context. The

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number of high school students in the United

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States is shrinking. So 2008 was the Great Recession.

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If you add 18 to that, you get 2026. That's about

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to hit and people are calling that the enrollment

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cliff. And so that means that there are fewer

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high school students available for colleges.

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And so more colleges have become, the market

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has become tighter, right? And so I think that

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means that it's a buyer's market. And so I think

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that for many students, their opportunities are

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increasing. And so really what's happening in

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the admissions world in the United States is

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you're having haves and have nots. So the haves

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are primarily large research one institutions.

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They are the flagship institutions. They're the

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University of Florida, the University of Michigan,

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these large institutions where it's becoming

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more and more competitive. to get into those

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institutions. But then you're having smaller

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institutions that are having a harder time getting

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students. And really, they're going to have a

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harder time staying afloat in the next years.

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So we really anticipate in the next decade there

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will be more and more closures of higher education

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institutions, especially those smaller ones.

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So in lots of ways, it's becoming a buyer's market.

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Now, what's interesting about it is this. Do

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you want to go to an institution that gives you

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the best price but may also be in risk of closing

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in the next decade? Right. So that's not a fun

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thing to be in your junior year of college and

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the institution announces that it's closing.

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So right now, especially around small institutions,

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small liberal arts institutions and even small

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regional state run institutions. Questions that

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were never asked by students before are questions

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like, what's your financial viability like? That

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is not a question that was being asked 10 years

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ago. And actually, I think most 18 -year -olds

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don't even know to ask that question. But it

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really is, I think, an important question right

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now. If a college is giving you an absolutely

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amazing deal, there may be a reason for that.

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There may be a reason that... They are trying

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to just buy students. And that's not a good thing.

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So I think that's been a really big change. There

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have been lots of other changes. We were just

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talking about there was a Supreme Court case

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a few years ago against the University of Michigan

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and against the University of North Carolina.

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That's really shaped the landscape. But that's

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a whole nother topic that we probably don't need

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to talk about right now. Pulling back a little

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bit to the campus life, as a student moves from

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out of area, what should one expect regarding

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the campus living arrangements from day -to -day

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life and residence halls? Yeah, it'll be different,

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right? It'll be set up with a roommate or maybe

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two roommates and on a whole floor of guys or

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girls that are trying to figure out what you're

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trying to figure out. And I think that's... That's

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kind of what changed my life, to be honest. I

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came from a public high school and didn't really

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have a solid group of friends that wanted to,

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you know, have a deep sense of faith, but didn't

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want to, you know, get in trouble on the weekends.

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And so I wanted to find the happy medium between

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those two. And that's what I found at my residence

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hall at Taylor University. I, you know, those

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are the guys that. I can go to if I have something

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going on in my life. And I think that's what

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you're going to expect in the residential hall

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sort of culture at Taylor. It's just, you're

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going to be pushed spiritually and you're going

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to be stepped out of your comfort zone and, you

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know, productive ways. And I think that is, you

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know, like I said, that's what changed my life.

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That's what I would that's what I would tell

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anybody looking at Taylor. You know, this is

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a good place. These are filled with faculty members

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and students who want to help you succeed and

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want to help you grow in in, you know, academically

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and spiritually and professionally even, too.

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So Taylor is the. seventh place that I've worked.

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So I've worked at a lot of other institutions

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and I would say residence life at each of those

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institutions is very, very different. And so

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I think it's a really, really important question

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to ask. What do I want in a residential experience?

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Do I want to live on campus? There are many institutions

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where you don't have to live on campus. There

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are many institutions where living on campus

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may be detrimental to your overall success because

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the residence halls are a 24 hour party. And

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so if that's not what you're interested in, then

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it might not be what you want. And so asking

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some of those questions, but even we were talking

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the other night about, uh, Taylor university

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is a place where life is built around the residence

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hall and it's a seven day a week life. There

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are lots of institutions like us that are small

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where every weekend the students kind of disappear

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back to home. So how do you know? And if you're

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coming from the other side of the world and you

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end up at one of those institutions where it's

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just five or six people every weekend who can't

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get home there, that's pretty miserable. And

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so how do you know if that's the kind of place

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that you're getting into beforehand? I think

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it's really important to say, hey, what's the

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vibe on the weekend? What does a Friday night

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look like here? What does Saturday look like

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here? And even getting a chance to talk to some...

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international students or TCKs, MKs from overseas

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to say, what do you do on the weekends? Are you

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the only one here on the weekends? That kind

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of thing, just to be able to get a feel for that.

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Because again, I think that's probably not what

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you're looking for. Or maybe it is what you're

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looking for. Maybe you just want to hang out

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with folks from overseas every weekend. And if

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that's what's going on, because everybody else

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in the residence hall is gone. then you get what

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you're looking for. But those are really, really

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important questions. At Taylor, I think all of

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life is built around our residence halls. It's

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a huge piece of what we do. And I think Tyler

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articulated that well. So I think this next question

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would be really important. So how should students

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choose a major if they're unsure about their

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future career? So I think the, well, and... Let

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me be let me disclose. I was a Spanish major

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in college. And so I think maybe I'm the perfect

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person to answer this question or or maybe not,

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depending on what you think about my answer.

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But what I tell students is in your undergraduate

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degree, you should study something that you're

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interested in and something that you'll do excellently

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in. And usually those two things are the same.

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So I'll give you an example. My wife was an accounting

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major because her parents said, you're good at

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math, you should do accounting. And she was okay,

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but pretty quickly she figured out, I'm not sure

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this is exactly what I wanted to do. But she

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was far enough in that she said, I guess I'll

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just finish it. She worked for a year as an accounting...

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As an accountant and said, this is definitely

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not what I want to do. And that's OK. Right.

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So she has used her accounting skills over and

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over and over and over again over the years.

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And she's been served by that. But she would

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probably have been better served to study something

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that she was interested in, not something that

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her parents thought would be good. So whatever

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it is that you're interested in, study that.

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Now, there are some things that. Where because

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because most careers are not directly linked

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to a major. Right. There are probably five exceptions

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to that education. Usually you have to have a

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degree in education. Now, you can always pick

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that up afterwards. Lots of people do that. Accounting

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is one of those. Nursing. Engineering. Right.

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So you don't want a Spanish major to put in your

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IV or build your bridge. Correct. Right. So.

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Those are probably the exceptions. And so if

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you're thinking one of those things, you should

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definitely start down that path. But other than

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that, I really think it's thinking about what

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am I interested in? What do I want to want to

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do? And then the job will come often from outside

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of the classroom experiences. I think the outside

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of the classroom experiences are essential to

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finding that career. So, Tyler, talk about like

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the internship that that you did and how that

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really shaped because you're marketing. But the

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job that you're going to do after college really

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is not directly related to marketing, right?

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Yeah, it's. It's sales. So I accepted a job at

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a insurance company that insures sports venues

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and sports arenas and also family entertainment

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centers. And it's in the sports and leisure industry.

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And that's interesting because when you think

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of marketing, maybe you think of social media

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or maybe you think of, you know, all different

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forms of digital marketing and maybe even advertising

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too. And so you don't really think of, you know,

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sales and so that's what i've picked up on uh

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as i've uh you know delved into the marketing

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world and been a marketing major at taylor university

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and that's you know no it's it's more broad than

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that you can do sales you can do you know maybe

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you want to do advertising or social media marketing

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but you can do other things and so like what

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you were saying it's it's not marketing in a

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traditional sense it's marketing you know when

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it's broadened out when it's looked at from you

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know a 30 ,000 foot view and I think that's where

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I've been blessed too is figuring out what I'm

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good at because I didn't want to do marketing

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initially I wanted to do like sports broadcasting

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in high school and you know freshman and sophomore

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year but then my dad told me like hey you're

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personable you should be good at sales and so

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I did that yeah this is one of those internships

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and uh You know, being in admissions and, you

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know, getting to talk to people about my school.

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And then, you know, I interned at that same company

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for four summers. And they, you know, kept telling

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me like, hey, you're really good at this. We

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want you back. You know, I was on the phone cold

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calling, you know, 20 or 30 times a day, which

00:23:05.490 --> 00:23:07.789
sounds awful to some people. But I was into it

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and I liked it. And, you know, I hit my goals

00:23:11.470 --> 00:23:14.859
or whatever. You know, I think Taylor helped

00:23:14.859 --> 00:23:18.240
me do that and they give me the skills and definitely

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the encouragement to be able to, you know, do

00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.740
those internships well, I think. So I'll give

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you one more example of that. So my son is working

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in commercial construction as a project management,

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project manager, and he was a business management

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major. They would not have hired him at this

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company had the only thing he had was a business

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management major. So the first summer he worked

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in construction, he was a carpenter's apprentice

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and he had a hammer in hand all summer long and

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was doing a lot of grunt work. Then the next

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summer he worked for the same company as a project

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management intern. And so when he went to apply

00:24:00.500 --> 00:24:04.059
for this job, they said very, very little about.

00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:07.740
the academic experience that he had. They were

00:24:07.740 --> 00:24:11.200
much more interested in... his out of classroom

00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:13.400
experience that he had had with these construction

00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:16.079
companies. Does that make sense? And so I think

00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:18.160
that's the most important thing that I would

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say is for sure, study something that you're

00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:22.259
interested in, study something that you're do

00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:25.299
excellently in, and then get those out of the

00:24:25.299 --> 00:24:28.279
classroom opportunities, whether that's a part

00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:30.779
-time job, whether that's an internship, job

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shadowing. Those are where I think you're really

00:24:33.059 --> 00:24:36.279
going to hone those career trajectories, right?

00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:39.900
that's where you're really going to be. Find

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the thing that you're actually interested in.

00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:44.759
I couldn't believe that there was an opportunity

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to work at a university. I didn't know that that

00:24:47.900 --> 00:24:50.480
was an opportunity when I was 16, 17, 18 years

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old. And then when I got to a university, I thought

00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.359
I could work at a place like this. Right. And

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that's how I moved in that direction and got

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a graduate degree and those types of things.

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All right. To wrap it up, moving on to our last

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question. We often talk about tuition and housing,

00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:09.500
but. What are the invisible costs of university

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that sometimes catch students off guard? And

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how does your office help maybe prepare for those?

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Yeah, I think this is interesting from a student's

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perspective because, you know, I, you know, growing

00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:24.720
up, I didn't have, you know, thousands of dollars

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to put towards tuition. So, you know, full transparency,

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I don't pay for, you know, those big things.

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You know, I don't. you know I don't I can't contribute

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to those things and so those are conversations

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to have with you know your parents and like what

00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:40.319
Andy was saying like you know throw them a bone

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like want to talk about those things in high

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school I think and then you know what I pay for

00:25:45.500 --> 00:25:48.440
is I think like having money saved up for you

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know fun things to do on the weekends because

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almost nothing is free nowadays it's just the

00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.220
way it is and so I've found a lot in you know

00:25:57.259 --> 00:26:00.119
working in working a job in high school, one

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of the best decisions I ever made my senior year

00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:05.140
of high school was actually quitting my sport

00:26:05.140 --> 00:26:08.019
and taking a part time job and then making money

00:26:08.019 --> 00:26:10.720
and saving up money for college. Like I gave

00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.799
myself so many pats on the back because I found

00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:16.980
a lot that, you know, people want to do fun things

00:26:16.980 --> 00:26:19.200
on the weekends at Taylor. You know, we go to

00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.940
Indianapolis and go to basketball games that

00:26:21.940 --> 00:26:24.640
cost like thirty dollars or something. Or, you

00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:27.720
know, we go to. you know, Taco Bell wait at night

00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.000
or something. And that's fun. Like, that's what

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.440
we like to do. And so, you know, the little costs

00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:35.319
add up, I think. But, you know, choosing to,

00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:38.819
you know, work ahead and save for those things

00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:42.779
has 100 % served me well. So I think that question

00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:44.579
looks a little bit different from the student's

00:26:44.579 --> 00:26:47.119
perspective. But, you know, having communication

00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.740
with your parents is a great thing for that.

00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:52.900
Yeah, for sure. What are you going to pay for?

00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:57.079
What is your family going to pay for? How are

00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.880
you going to work those costs out together? I'll

00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:01.680
give you a couple of other ones, especially for

00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.599
students that are international. Travel costs

00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:07.859
are huge, right? That's a question that you need

00:27:07.859 --> 00:27:09.660
to have with your parents. How often are you

00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:11.400
going to go home? And, of course, that varies.

00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:14.539
So we have students that we were talking about

00:27:14.539 --> 00:27:17.849
the other night. friend who was an international

00:27:17.849 --> 00:27:21.269
student from India. And he came to Taylor University,

00:27:21.450 --> 00:27:23.430
did four years of Taylor University, and then

00:27:23.430 --> 00:27:26.349
went on to get his PhD at Florida Atlantic University,

00:27:26.690 --> 00:27:29.369
which is five years. And he never went home to

00:27:29.369 --> 00:27:33.349
India that whole time. So because he couldn't

00:27:33.349 --> 00:27:35.609
really afford it. And that was a choice that

00:27:35.609 --> 00:27:37.829
he and his family made. They knew that that's

00:27:37.829 --> 00:27:40.650
how it was going to be. And so he lived on campus

00:27:40.650 --> 00:27:43.690
every summer and worked his tail off to help

00:27:43.690 --> 00:27:47.349
pay that bill. That was a choice that he and

00:27:47.349 --> 00:27:50.470
his family made. That is a hard choice, right?

00:27:52.190 --> 00:27:56.230
So the question is, let's look at some flights.

00:27:57.089 --> 00:27:59.569
Let's do some projection. Let's talk to chat.

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How much is a flight from Bangkok to the United

00:28:04.170 --> 00:28:08.990
States? And then how many times a year am I going

00:28:08.990 --> 00:28:11.569
to be able to do that? Am I going to go home

00:28:11.569 --> 00:28:14.819
just at Christmas? Am I going to go home over

00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:18.279
the summer? Those costs start to add up. I think

00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:21.779
for sure there's the Taco Bell run at midnight.

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Those costs can start to add up. But of course,

00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:28.720
books, study abroad opportunities. Taylor has

00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:31.799
an absolutely amazing study abroad program, but

00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.920
it's usually additional cost over and above tuition

00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.180
and fees. And so if you want to be involved in

00:28:38.180 --> 00:28:40.319
programs like that, then there's going to be

00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.890
some additional costs to those as well. So I

00:28:42.890 --> 00:28:45.970
think those are conversations to have. How do

00:28:45.970 --> 00:28:48.170
I make the extra money? Who's going to help fund

00:28:48.170 --> 00:28:50.529
the extra money? But it's a great question. What

00:28:50.529 --> 00:28:53.750
are the quote unquote hidden costs? I think those

00:28:53.750 --> 00:28:56.690
are at least a portion of those. Thank you to

00:28:56.690 --> 00:28:59.170
Mr. Andy and Tyler for joining the show again

00:28:59.170 --> 00:29:01.250
and talking about a variety of things related

00:29:01.250 --> 00:29:03.690
to higher education from the admissions process

00:29:03.690 --> 00:29:06.589
all the way to financial planning. One of the

00:29:06.589 --> 00:29:08.730
best things students can do before heading off

00:29:08.730 --> 00:29:11.309
to college is to be well informed, so thank you

00:29:11.309 --> 00:29:14.309
for helping with that. This concludes our guest

00:29:14.309 --> 00:29:16.509
segment for this episode, but don't go away,

00:29:16.670 --> 00:29:18.890
as we'll be kicking off our new adventure story

00:29:18.890 --> 00:29:21.730
with Part 1 right after this short PSA announcement.

00:29:28.170 --> 00:29:30.150
This is a public service announcement for your

00:29:30.150 --> 00:29:32.329
business's financial health. We know that the

00:29:32.329 --> 00:29:34.329
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00:29:34.329 --> 00:29:36.450
of the biggest sources of entrepreneurial stress.

00:29:36.970 --> 00:29:39.269
Take 30 minutes this week to conduct a basic

00:29:39.269 --> 00:29:41.509
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00:29:41.509 --> 00:29:43.849
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00:29:43.849 --> 00:29:47.190
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00:29:47.190 --> 00:29:50.329
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00:29:50.650 --> 00:29:54.190
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00:29:54.190 --> 00:29:57.009
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clarity. Don't let your finances stress you out.

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Master them instead. And we are back with our

00:30:09.869 --> 00:30:12.410
second segment. For the next 10 episodes, we'll

00:30:12.410 --> 00:30:14.470
be bringing you another adventure story just

00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:17.049
like we did in the previous two seasons. Our

00:30:17.049 --> 00:30:19.450
new story is the third and final installment

00:30:19.450 --> 00:30:21.990
of what we are calling the Hawthorne Adventure

00:30:21.990 --> 00:30:24.750
Series. which began with the first story titled

00:30:24.750 --> 00:30:27.170
The Secrets of El Dorado, followed by our second

00:30:27.170 --> 00:30:30.349
story titled Legends of the Yucatan. These first

00:30:30.349 --> 00:30:32.650
two stories are available in audio narration

00:30:32.650 --> 00:30:35.950
on our podcast. Also, both are in book form and

00:30:35.950 --> 00:30:39.130
are available as a downloadable PDF, a paperback

00:30:39.130 --> 00:30:41.450
printed book, and an e -book for the Kindle.

00:30:41.529 --> 00:30:45.089
Just visit Amazon .com. Now, and without further

00:30:45.089 --> 00:30:48.089
ado, we bring you the first part of our 10 -part

00:30:48.089 --> 00:30:52.220
story titled The Mystery of St. Augustine. uncovering

00:30:52.220 --> 00:31:09.440
a past of greed and deceit. The Setting and the

00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:12.940
Characters Every Hawthorne adventure begins in

00:31:12.940 --> 00:31:15.519
the same place, El Dorado County, California,

00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:18.980
specifically in the small, quaint town of Coloma.

00:31:19.660 --> 00:31:22.059
Five years have passed since the Great California

00:31:22.059 --> 00:31:25.059
Gold Rush scandal, yet Coloma still holds the

00:31:25.059 --> 00:31:28.099
nation's attention. Tours from all over the United

00:31:28.099 --> 00:31:30.640
States continue to descend on this small town.

00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.200
Some seek an adventure of their own, others a

00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.700
piece of history, and many are simply following

00:31:36.700 --> 00:31:39.880
the crowds. The specific reason no longer matters,

00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.680
but what matters is that Coloma has become one

00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.319
of the West Coast's most visited spring and summer

00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.619
destinations. Town favorites like Ethan's Cafe

00:31:48.619 --> 00:31:51.680
and El Dorado College have become must -stop

00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.839
destinations, along with Rob's Peak and Sutter's

00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:58.259
Mill. Though this new adventure starts in Coloma,

00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:00.640
it doesn't end there. Similar to Hawthorne's

00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:03.720
Yucatan Adventure from a few years ago, this

00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.819
new quest, with all its danger and mystery, unfolds

00:32:06.819 --> 00:32:10.299
over 2 ,700 miles away on the northeast coast

00:32:10.299 --> 00:32:13.599
of Florida. St. Augustine, Florida is a historic

00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:15.839
town known for being the oldest continuously

00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.000
inhabited European established settlement in

00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:23.160
the continental United States. Founded in 1565,

00:32:23.660 --> 00:32:26.059
St. Augustine was established by the Spanish

00:32:26.059 --> 00:32:29.740
42 years before the English colonized Jamestown

00:32:29.740 --> 00:32:33.079
and 55 years before the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth

00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:37.200
Rock. St. Augustine changed hands between the

00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.039
Spanish and British several times until the entire

00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:42.839
territory of Florida, including the city itself,

00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.839
was peaceably turned over to the United States

00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:51.140
in 1821 through the Adams -Onis Treaty. St. Augustine

00:32:51.140 --> 00:32:53.900
became a popular destination for wealthy Americans

00:32:53.900 --> 00:32:57.720
in the 1800s, thanks in part to Henry Flagler,

00:32:57.819 --> 00:33:00.779
a former partner of John D. Rockefeller in the

00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:04.140
Standard Oil Company. Flagler not only built

00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:07.059
luxury hotels, but also connected St. Augustine

00:33:07.059 --> 00:33:10.519
to other towns and cities by railroad. Fast forward

00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:13.400
to the present, and the city still attracts tourists.

00:33:13.460 --> 00:33:16.480
In fact, more than 2 million people visit this

00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.599
old colonial town annually, lured by its deep

00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:28.880
history and the promise of discovery. James Hawthorne

00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.079
here. Just when I thought life was going to slow

00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.960
down, especially after all the fanfare from the

00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:36.819
Gold Rush scandal, last year's dangerous trip

00:33:36.819 --> 00:33:40.099
to Mexico proved me wrong. I was fortunate to

00:33:40.099 --> 00:33:42.359
be on the right side of history and the law again.

00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.319
I was glad to hear that my new friends Miranda

00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:48.019
and David returned the stolen artifact to their

00:33:48.019 --> 00:33:50.980
rightful homes, exposing a great deal of greed

00:33:50.980 --> 00:33:54.019
and corruption in the process. My old friend

00:33:54.019 --> 00:33:56.380
Tommy is doing well, and he's planning to come

00:33:56.380 --> 00:33:59.289
visit Ann and me sometime soon. perhaps even

00:33:59.289 --> 00:34:01.829
before the year is out. I've always believed

00:34:01.829 --> 00:34:04.230
that studying the past teaches us not only about

00:34:04.230 --> 00:34:07.670
who we are, but about who we might become. I'm

00:34:07.670 --> 00:34:09.670
still in the process of writing my second book

00:34:09.670 --> 00:34:13.369
about the Mexico trip. I reduced my class load

00:34:13.369 --> 00:34:16.110
this year, which has given Ann and me more opportunities

00:34:16.110 --> 00:34:19.349
to visit our kids and rediscover some old hobbies,

00:34:19.489 --> 00:34:22.760
like fly fishing. My father and grandfather taught

00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.239
me the art of it, even how to craft my own fly

00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:28.179
rod, a skill I've taken up again recently. I

00:34:28.179 --> 00:34:30.619
used to think it was a hobby for old, retired

00:34:30.619 --> 00:34:33.239
guys, but I suppose I'm close to that age group

00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.539
now. And I have to admit, I enjoy the peace of

00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:39.579
being out in nature. And yes, I practice catch

00:34:39.579 --> 00:34:42.420
and release. Okay, enough about me dusting off

00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:44.900
an old hobby. Anyway, I bought some property

00:34:44.900 --> 00:34:47.960
this year in a different state. Shh, please don't

00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.210
tell the kids yet. It's something we plan to

00:34:50.210 --> 00:34:52.829
keep in the family for years to come. Ann and

00:34:52.829 --> 00:34:54.829
I are just now starting to figure out what to

00:34:54.829 --> 00:34:57.630
do with it. Maybe build a cabin or two, clear

00:34:57.630 --> 00:34:59.710
some hiking trails, and create a retreat for

00:34:59.710 --> 00:35:02.409
old friends. I guess we'll see what happens after

00:35:02.409 --> 00:35:05.889
our trip to Florida. Hello, I'm Ann Hawthorne.

00:35:06.130 --> 00:35:08.829
James and I met on a project right out of college

00:35:08.829 --> 00:35:11.940
and have been together ever since. For years,

00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.739
I've lived alongside James' adventures and have

00:35:14.739 --> 00:35:17.559
mostly managed to stay out of the peculiar situations

00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:21.119
he often finds himself in. I'm happy to have

00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.679
him around more now that he's reduced his class

00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:26.599
load at the college. We always find ways to fill

00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:29.199
our time, whether it's a new hobby, visiting

00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.579
our children, or traveling. After a long career

00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:36.019
in the educational nonprofit sector, I've started

00:35:36.019 --> 00:35:39.599
to reduce my own workload. I enjoy spending more

00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.280
time with my children and tending to our garden.

00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.820
I still travel periodically to speak when asked.

00:35:45.980 --> 00:35:49.219
I volunteer at local events in Coloma and particularly

00:35:49.219 --> 00:35:52.139
enjoy helping with the monthly farmer's market.

00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.260
It keeps me grounded and connected to this place

00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:58.639
we've called home for so long. Retirement has

00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.360
never been a dream of mine. We'll see where this

00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.820
next chapter leads. Honestly, I'm glad I don't

00:36:04.820 --> 00:36:07.579
have it all figured out. The surprise is the

00:36:07.579 --> 00:36:10.760
most exciting part. Hello, I'm Professor Amanda

00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:13.719
Chase. I love my teaching job at El Dorado College.

00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:16.320
My family and I have moved here from the East

00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.219
Coast a few years ago and have settled nicely

00:36:19.219 --> 00:36:22.519
into the West Coast lifestyle. It's certainly

00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:26.199
more laid back and not nearly as rigid as what

00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:30.039
we were used to back East. People are even nicer

00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:32.840
here, or maybe it's just the small town vibe.

00:36:33.340 --> 00:36:35.639
We've truly come to enjoy small -town living

00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.559
and the community we've found here. When Professor

00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.619
Hawthorne reduced his schedule after the Mexico

00:36:41.619 --> 00:36:44.460
trip, he put in a good word for me, allowing

00:36:44.460 --> 00:36:47.219
me to take on more responsibility at the college.

00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.719
I've even taken on some interns this year. one

00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.119
of whom is Olivia Park. She was part of the college

00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.679
group caught up in the Yucatan incident last

00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.059
year. I genuinely enjoy mentoring young people,

00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:04.260
especially students like Olivia, in whom I see

00:37:04.260 --> 00:37:07.860
great potential. It's rewarding to help guide

00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:11.199
them on their career paths. This year, I'm excited

00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:14.380
to be taking a college -sponsored trip. Professor

00:37:14.380 --> 00:37:17.599
Hawthorne and his wife, Anne, will be going as

00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:20.880
well. I don't have all the details yet. but it

00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:24.420
involves a research trip to Florida. Hi, my name

00:37:24.420 --> 00:37:27.079
is Olivia Park. You might remember me from the

00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.260
El Dorado College trip to Mexico City and the

00:37:30.260 --> 00:37:34.280
Yucatan last year. I assisted Ava Turner with

00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.440
her interviews about the recovered Mayan artifacts.

00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.780
To be precise, I handled the technical side,

00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.019
audio setup, and recordings while she worked

00:37:44.019 --> 00:37:47.679
her magic. Ava is a real journalist. I still

00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:50.800
keep in touch with Ava from time to time, mostly

00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:55.059
to ask for her career advice. She's always incredibly

00:37:55.059 --> 00:37:58.480
gracious in answering my questions. I've been

00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.219
fortunate to be around a lot of genuine and kind

00:38:01.219 --> 00:38:04.860
people these last few years. However, my experience

00:38:04.860 --> 00:38:07.780
in Mexico was a stark reminder that not everyone

00:38:07.780 --> 00:38:11.980
is. After graduating last year, I began an internship

00:38:11.980 --> 00:38:15.860
with Professor Amanda Chase in the History Department

00:38:15.860 --> 00:38:19.599
at El Dorado College. I'm hoping this internship

00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:21.920
will give me the experience I need to qualify

00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.380
for a competitive master's program at Cambridge

00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:28.639
next year. My name is Eleanor Bennett, but please

00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.079
call me Ellie. It's a little less formal. I'm

00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:33.159
British American. I've lived and worked in the

00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:35.699
U .S. for many years now, but I fly back to England

00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:38.599
often to visit families and friends. I have an

00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.960
uncanny ability to feel at home in both societies.

00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:44.039
Still, my British relatives never fail to ask

00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:45.960
when I'm planning to return to my roots for good.

00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.860
I don't have any plans to move to England just

00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:51.199
yet. I've built a life and a career I thoroughly

00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.099
enjoy here on what we call Florida's First Coast.

00:38:54.340 --> 00:38:57.340
For those unfamiliar with the term, it was coined

00:38:57.340 --> 00:39:00.280
by an ad agency back in the 1980s when Florida

00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.300
was reinventing its tourism. The First Coast

00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:05.739
refers to the northeastern Atlantic coastline

00:39:05.739 --> 00:39:07.860
stretching from the Georgia border down through

00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:10.760
St. John's County. It includes the big city of

00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:12.780
Jacksonville and, of course, my home for most

00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:15.519
of the year, the historic city of St. Augustine.

00:39:16.739 --> 00:39:19.349
I'm Robert Mitchell. My family and friends call

00:39:19.349 --> 00:39:21.789
me Bobby, but for business, I stick with Robert.

00:39:21.949 --> 00:39:24.969
It feels more professional. I was born in Gainesville,

00:39:25.070 --> 00:39:27.349
but I've been a coastal kid as long as I can

00:39:27.349 --> 00:39:30.489
remember. My parents moved to St. Augustine when

00:39:30.489 --> 00:39:32.949
I was in elementary school, and my father started

00:39:32.949 --> 00:39:35.769
a sport fishing guide service out of Conch House

00:39:35.769 --> 00:39:38.909
Marina. I worked on the boat every summer through

00:39:38.909 --> 00:39:41.070
middle and high school, then went to university

00:39:41.070 --> 00:39:44.010
to study business, always with the plan of coming

00:39:44.010 --> 00:39:47.090
back to help dad run the company. After college,

00:39:47.250 --> 00:39:49.710
I came back to work alongside him, and things

00:39:49.710 --> 00:39:52.030
were going great for a few years. Then he passed

00:39:52.030 --> 00:39:54.969
away. It was very sudden. None of us in the family

00:39:54.969 --> 00:39:57.489
even knew he was sick. It was a tough time for

00:39:57.489 --> 00:39:59.869
all of us, but we pulled through. To keep my

00:39:59.869 --> 00:40:02.409
father's legacy alive, I took over First Coast

00:40:02.409 --> 00:40:04.989
Charters. Now I'm the captain of both boats in

00:40:04.989 --> 00:40:07.710
the fleet. My father built a great clientele

00:40:07.710 --> 00:40:10.090
over the years and was known for his professionalism

00:40:10.090 --> 00:40:12.869
and expert knowledge of the sea. He knew all

00:40:12.869 --> 00:40:15.650
the right fishing spots up and down the coastline.

00:40:16.059 --> 00:40:18.820
He always used to say, respect the sea, respect

00:40:18.820 --> 00:40:21.699
your catch. I have to say, I truly love the work.

00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.159
I get to meet people from all over the world,

00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.699
and it's a lot of fun watching first -timers

00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:29.579
experience the raw power of the open ocean. I've

00:40:29.579 --> 00:40:31.940
got two boats in the fleet, a 40 -foot sport

00:40:31.940 --> 00:40:34.539
fisher for deep water trips, and a small vessel

00:40:34.539 --> 00:40:37.630
for outlings closer to the shoreline. Hello,

00:40:37.730 --> 00:40:40.670
my name is Cecilia Harper, but you can call me

00:40:40.670 --> 00:40:44.210
Cece. I'm a lifelong resident of St. Augustine,

00:40:44.210 --> 00:40:47.269
born and raised. My family calls me an old soul,

00:40:47.409 --> 00:40:50.289
and they're right. I'm not your typical 20 -something.

00:40:50.550 --> 00:40:53.590
I may be young, but I have dedicated myself to

00:40:53.590 --> 00:40:56.150
studying every facet of this town's history.

00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.559
And yes, I call St. Augustine my town, because

00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:02.519
in many ways it is. Aside from the professionals

00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:05.900
at the St. Augustine Historical Society, I'd

00:41:05.900 --> 00:41:08.340
wager no one knows this town better than I do,

00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:12.400
not even the old -timers. I sit in on the Society's

00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.340
weekly meetings from time to time to answer questions

00:41:15.340 --> 00:41:18.599
or help where I can. The meetings are typically

00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.019
quite boring, but they keep me informed about

00:41:21.019 --> 00:41:23.800
what's happening in town, particularly regarding

00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:27.610
tourism. I have a love -hate relationship with

00:41:27.610 --> 00:41:30.849
tourism. On one hand, it funds the preservation

00:41:30.849 --> 00:41:34.710
that keeps our history alive. On the other hand,

00:41:34.710 --> 00:41:37.730
most tourists don't seem to care about that heritage

00:41:37.730 --> 00:41:40.909
anymore. They'd rather sit on the beach or take

00:41:40.909 --> 00:41:43.809
selfies with ice cream on our cobblestone streets.

00:41:44.670 --> 00:41:47.449
Chief Michael Sullivan here. I'm known locally

00:41:47.449 --> 00:41:49.719
as Chief Sullivan Though some people call me

00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:52.300
Big Mike, which is ironic, since I'm not a particularly

00:41:52.300 --> 00:41:54.980
large man. Rumor has it the name refers to my

00:41:54.980 --> 00:41:57.719
personality and not my physical stature. I've

00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:59.699
been the chief of police for St. Augustine for

00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:02.300
the past 12 years. It takes a long time to truly

00:42:02.300 --> 00:42:04.300
learn our community and earn the trust of its

00:42:04.300 --> 00:42:06.460
residents. The best part of the job is still

00:42:06.460 --> 00:42:08.420
getting out of my stuffy office on a nice Florida

00:42:08.420 --> 00:42:10.639
day, and we get plenty of those to interact with

00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:13.019
the community. I'm also proud to lead some of

00:42:13.019 --> 00:42:15.119
the best deputies in northern Florida. I'll admit

00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.260
to some bias, however, since I hired many of

00:42:17.260 --> 00:42:20.760
them myself. My name is Lieutenant Daniel Walsh.

00:42:20.860 --> 00:42:24.280
I serve under Chief Sullivan. Big Mike, as he's

00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.619
known, is my direct supervisor. My official title

00:42:27.619 --> 00:42:30.159
is Lieutenant Commander of Investigation and

00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.559
Patrol. I'm a little younger than the chief,

00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.920
but have been steadily working my way up the

00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.380
ranks in St. Augustine Police Department for

00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:39.820
the past seven years. I never aimed to become

00:42:39.820 --> 00:42:42.860
commander of both divisions, but I have a knack

00:42:42.860 --> 00:42:45.380
for solving problems, getting things done, and

00:42:45.380 --> 00:42:47.460
teaching others how to do the same. That's what

00:42:47.460 --> 00:42:51.239
I do. And here's a fun fact. Most of the officers

00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.920
I'm in charge of call me LT or Commander Walsh.

00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.880
It's a funny thing. Hardly anyone uses my first

00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.300
name. If they do, it's usually to impersonate

00:43:01.300 --> 00:43:03.360
the character from the movie Forrest Grump and

00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.320
yell, Lieutenant Dan! That was funny the first

00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.760
hundred times. Now, it's just annoying every

00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:12.019
time I hear it. And let me say this once. I take

00:43:12.019 --> 00:43:14.900
my job seriously. And of course, I enjoy the

00:43:14.900 --> 00:43:16.800
investigative nature of my responsibilities.

00:43:17.690 --> 00:43:20.389
I feel I was built for this. It's just the way

00:43:20.389 --> 00:43:22.710
my mind works, you know. Connecting the dots

00:43:22.710 --> 00:43:25.670
in a complex situation comes naturally to me,

00:43:25.730 --> 00:43:28.130
of course. That's why I'm leading these divisions,

00:43:28.409 --> 00:43:32.429
no doubt. Extra Townspeople. Sarah Ferguson,

00:43:32.690 --> 00:43:36.349
as a leading figure at the St. Augustine's Historical

00:43:36.349 --> 00:43:39.769
Society, Sarah Ferguson is a passionate advocate

00:43:39.769 --> 00:43:43.349
for the city's heritage. She treats the society's

00:43:43.349 --> 00:43:47.260
mission, established back in 1883, with the utmost

00:43:47.260 --> 00:43:52.579
seriousness and scholarly dedication. Thomas,

00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:56.579
Tom Reynolds, working alongside Sarah, Tom Reynolds

00:43:56.579 --> 00:44:00.099
is the public face of the historical society.

00:44:00.500 --> 00:44:04.300
Where Sarah brings the academic rigor, Tom provides

00:44:04.300 --> 00:44:07.320
the warm, welcoming stories that connect the

00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.739
society's long history to the daily life of the

00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:17.139
town. William Will Ford. Will Ford is a gregarious

00:44:17.139 --> 00:44:21.699
owner of Will's Seafood Bar and Grill, a popular

00:44:21.699 --> 00:44:24.900
local spot with stunning views at the bayfront

00:44:24.900 --> 00:44:29.900
near the Bridge of Lions. He knows as much about

00:44:29.900 --> 00:44:33.460
the town's gossip as he does about serving fresh

00:44:33.460 --> 00:44:38.840
seafood. Jonathan John Tanner. John Tanner is

00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:42.400
the quiet, meticulous caretaker of the Cathedral

00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:46.900
Basilica. of St. Augustine. He moves through

00:44:46.900 --> 00:44:52.480
the historic sanctuary built in the 1790s as

00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.559
if it were part of the building itself, feeling

00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.320
the weight of the history as its oldest Christian

00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:04.719
congregation in the country. Chris Lawson, as

00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:09.219
the director of the Castillo de San Marcos National

00:45:09.219 --> 00:45:13.360
Monument, Chris Lawson is a professional historian

00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:17.940
with the practical demeanor of a federal manager.

00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:22.159
He is more concerned with budgets and the preservation

00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:26.360
protocols than local legends, serving as the

00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:29.679
official guardian of the fort's formidable history.

00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.500
Joe Gardner. Joe Gardner is a tour guide at the

00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:39.820
magnificent old Ponce de Leon Hotel, and he is

00:45:39.820 --> 00:45:44.019
a showman at heart. With a soft voice and a flair

00:45:44.019 --> 00:45:47.860
for the dramatic, he brings the gilded age history

00:45:47.860 --> 00:45:52.099
of the famous hotel to life for hundreds of tourists

00:45:52.099 --> 00:46:02.860
each week. Looming over this new adventure is

00:46:02.860 --> 00:46:05.980
a threat few have ever heard and fewer still

00:46:05.980 --> 00:46:10.159
understand. A transnational syndicate known only

00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:15.119
as... the table. It operates not like a criminal

00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:19.780
gang, but with a calculated precision of a multinational

00:46:19.780 --> 00:46:25.059
corporation. Its power concentrated in a ruthless,

00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:29.480
efficient council of six known simply as the

00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:34.260
Seats. At its head is the First Seat, an interesting

00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:37.400
leader whose identity is the syndicate's most

00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:41.389
guarded secret. Serving as the direct instrument

00:46:41.389 --> 00:46:44.590
of the first seat's will is the operative known

00:46:44.590 --> 00:46:49.489
only as Midnight, the second seat who executes

00:46:49.489 --> 00:46:53.570
the table's most critical missions. The identities

00:46:53.570 --> 00:46:56.429
and functions of the remaining four seats are

00:46:56.429 --> 00:47:00.250
unknown, their anonymity a chilling testament

00:47:00.250 --> 00:47:04.190
to the organization's formidable discipline and

00:47:04.190 --> 00:47:13.219
the shadowy depths of its global influence. The

00:47:13.219 --> 00:47:16.380
characters are introduced, and the stage is set,

00:47:16.539 --> 00:47:19.599
stretching from the familiar hills of California

00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:23.920
to the first coast of Florida. In the historical

00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.139
city of St. Augustine, a new mystery awaits,

00:47:27.460 --> 00:47:30.960
one that will test old friendships and forge

00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.079
new alliances. For beneath the city's charming

00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.760
surface, a history of greed and deceit is waiting

00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:43.289
to be uncovered, and in the shadows. its first

00:47:43.289 --> 00:47:54.789
move. And now, on to our story. Part 1, The Discovery.

00:48:03.489 --> 00:48:06.389
Come on, keep digging. We're running out of time.

00:48:06.969 --> 00:48:10.119
Midnight's voice was a frustrated hiss. She paced

00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:12.460
at the water's edge, her gaze darting nervously

00:48:12.460 --> 00:48:15.519
over the moonlit waves. The sun will be up soon,

00:48:15.539 --> 00:48:17.059
and this coast will be crawling with fishing

00:48:17.059 --> 00:48:19.539
boats soon enough. Third Chair pushed his half

00:48:19.539 --> 00:48:21.820
-broken shovel into the sand, heaving a mound

00:48:21.820 --> 00:48:24.579
of sand up and out of the deep hole next to where

00:48:24.579 --> 00:48:27.079
Midnight was standing. He looked up toward her

00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.780
and said, We've been out here all night, he grumbled,

00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:32.139
and haven't found anything. Fourth Chair stopped

00:48:32.139 --> 00:48:34.699
digging, leaning on the handle of his shovel,

00:48:34.860 --> 00:48:37.380
looked up at Midnight, and looked. this is so

00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:39.300
important to find why isn't first chair out here

00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:42.440
supervising fifth chair grunted stopped digging

00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.199
and said yeah my shoulders and back are killing

00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:47.579
me i haven't had to do this much physical work

00:48:47.579 --> 00:48:50.360
since the paris incident he then lowered his

00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.019
voice as he stared up at midnight also known

00:48:53.019 --> 00:48:56.380
as chair two by the way Where the bleak is chair

00:48:56.380 --> 00:48:59.199
six? She's off doing something else for me. Midnight

00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.199
snapped as she looked down at chair five, who

00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:03.099
was standing in a deep pit between three and

00:49:03.099 --> 00:49:05.380
four. What's it to you anyways? She doesn't answer

00:49:05.380 --> 00:49:07.579
to you. You're not in charge. With a smirk on

00:49:07.579 --> 00:49:10.440
her face, she continued. All right, I forgot.

00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:13.019
You're the new guy. While looking down into the

00:49:13.019 --> 00:49:16.139
deep pit at chairs three, four, and five, she

00:49:16.139 --> 00:49:18.659
then became silent. There, right below chair

00:49:18.659 --> 00:49:21.159
four's left foot was something shiny and old

00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:23.820
sticking out of the sand ever so slightly. She

00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:26.909
then said, What is that? Looking down near chair

00:49:26.909 --> 00:49:29.170
four's foot, chair three then says, I believe

00:49:29.170 --> 00:49:32.269
we found what first chair was referring to. Yes,

00:49:32.269 --> 00:49:34.369
it appears we have, Mina responded. The morning

00:49:34.369 --> 00:49:36.530
sun peeked over the horizon, turning the sky

00:49:36.530 --> 00:49:38.289
bright orange and stretching her shadow across

00:49:38.289 --> 00:49:41.070
the beach. She looked down into the deep pit

00:49:41.070 --> 00:49:43.269
at the other chairs with a smile and said, Hurry

00:49:43.269 --> 00:49:45.150
up and let's finish this before the boats start

00:49:45.150 --> 00:49:46.869
running their shoreline and a tide comes back

00:49:46.869 --> 00:50:01.210
in. Professor Hawthorne and Professor Amanda

00:50:01.210 --> 00:50:03.969
left the college president's office laughing

00:50:03.969 --> 00:50:06.449
and smiling. The department head meeting had

00:50:06.449 --> 00:50:09.190
gone exceptionally well, so well, in fact, that

00:50:09.190 --> 00:50:11.889
the normally dry college president had ended

00:50:11.889 --> 00:50:15.050
it with a few lame dad jokes. He even admitted

00:50:15.050 --> 00:50:17.329
to the group that he was an avid listener of

00:50:17.329 --> 00:50:20.030
a dad joke podcast and enjoyed retelling the

00:50:20.030 --> 00:50:22.630
jokes when he had the chance. And I guess this

00:50:22.630 --> 00:50:25.519
was one of those chances. While Hawthorne and

00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:27.880
Amanda were still in the hall talking with other

00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.780
department heads, the president's secretary motioned

00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:32.960
for them to come back into the office for a quick

00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:36.199
word. As the secretary led them back inside,

00:50:36.420 --> 00:50:39.179
Hawthorne whispered to Amanda, sometimes these

00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:41.980
quick words turn into long meetings, but I guess

00:50:41.980 --> 00:50:45.280
we'll find out. Dr. Conrad, who insisted on the

00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.300
title even among his peers, was still in an unusually

00:50:49.300 --> 00:50:52.719
cheerful mood. He was a seasoned academic and

00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.420
had been president of El Dorado College for many

00:50:55.420 --> 00:50:59.019
years. While his reputation was solid, he was

00:50:59.019 --> 00:51:02.019
also known for being painfully dull, which made

00:51:02.019 --> 00:51:05.099
his recent foray into humor all the more surprising.

00:51:05.500 --> 00:51:08.519
As Amanda and Hawthorne settled back into their

00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:11.860
seats around the conference table, Dr. Conrad

00:51:11.860 --> 00:51:15.210
shared some inside news. An old friend of mine

00:51:15.210 --> 00:51:18.210
has invited our college to be part of a unique

00:51:18.210 --> 00:51:21.869
and extraordinary opportunity, Dr. Conrad continued.

00:51:22.389 --> 00:51:25.730
In fact, he had to convince his fellow society

00:51:25.730 --> 00:51:29.349
members that our school was the best fit, rather

00:51:29.349 --> 00:51:33.090
than some Ivy League university. Here's the deal,

00:51:33.269 --> 00:51:37.590
he said, leaning forward. My longtime friend,

00:51:37.769 --> 00:51:41.690
Tom Reynolds, helps lead the St. Augustine Historical

00:51:41.690 --> 00:51:45.650
Society in Florida. He's invited us to collaborate

00:51:45.650 --> 00:51:49.570
on an exclusive and confidential research project.

00:51:50.269 --> 00:51:53.849
The project has private funding from an anonymous

00:51:53.849 --> 00:51:57.909
donor plus a state grant. The key condition is

00:51:57.909 --> 00:52:00.449
that the results won't be published, at least

00:52:00.449 --> 00:52:03.150
not yet, which is why they avoided the larger

00:52:03.150 --> 00:52:06.110
universities. They want to keep this quiet. They

00:52:06.110 --> 00:52:09.110
need qualified personnel, people with experience

00:52:09.110 --> 00:52:13.630
and know -how. So that brings me to you. Dr.

00:52:13.710 --> 00:52:17.389
Conrad said, looking at both of them. With your

00:52:17.389 --> 00:52:20.090
department's combined academic and field experience,

00:52:20.329 --> 00:52:23.190
I think you're a perfect fit. It would be a win

00:52:23.190 --> 00:52:26.050
-win for both the St. Augustine Historical Society

00:52:26.050 --> 00:52:31.530
and our college. Dr. Conrad had barely finished

00:52:31.530 --> 00:52:34.590
his sentence when Amanda jumped in. I think I

00:52:34.590 --> 00:52:36.989
know what this may be about. Hawthorne raised

00:52:36.989 --> 00:52:40.429
an eyebrow at Amanda. Really? Because I don't

00:52:40.429 --> 00:52:43.679
have a clue. Dr. Conrad gestured toward Amanda.

00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:46.940
Please, go on. Let's see if we're on the same

00:52:46.940 --> 00:52:51.179
page. Amanda leaned forward slightly. Let me

00:52:51.179 --> 00:52:53.559
drop a name, and I think we'll all be on the

00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:57.659
same page. She lowered her voice and said, Sir

00:52:57.659 --> 00:53:01.039
Francis Drake. Hawthorne, still looking at Amanda,

00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.300
raises both his hands and then says, Oh, of course.

00:53:04.820 --> 00:53:07.420
Then after the surprises were off in his voice,

00:53:07.460 --> 00:53:10.570
he says, We all know the stories, mostly theories

00:53:10.570 --> 00:53:13.909
and guesses, but what's changed? Obviously something

00:53:13.909 --> 00:53:17.969
has. Amanda's eyes lit up. This is exciting.

00:53:18.150 --> 00:53:20.769
I mean, being from the East Coast and studying

00:53:20.769 --> 00:53:24.610
this topic in grad school, I'm totally in. Dr.

00:53:24.690 --> 00:53:28.630
Conrad continues. I can be a pretty bad pessimist

00:53:28.630 --> 00:53:31.309
at times, especially when it comes to theories

00:53:31.309 --> 00:53:34.610
and legends and that sort of thing, but this

00:53:34.610 --> 00:53:37.389
request from Tom seems and feels a bit different.

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:40.280
And I'm glad I don't have to convince you both

00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:43.619
that this would be a good thing. How so, Hawthorne

00:53:43.619 --> 00:53:47.599
replied. I'm not sure how exactly, but it just

00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:49.900
feels different. Like a bit more serious than

00:53:49.900 --> 00:53:53.340
just another research trip, Dr. Conrad said,

00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:57.960
seeming to think aloud. Maybe it's why Tom wants

00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.079
to bring us in. He wants honest, practical people

00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.820
on the ground. People without ties to the local

00:54:03.820 --> 00:54:07.599
politicians and the Florida Tourism Board. He

00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:11.000
continues. Countless groups have tried to verify

00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:13.579
these stories in the past with the hope of finding

00:54:13.579 --> 00:54:17.500
the famed quote -unquote lost Spanish treasure

00:54:17.500 --> 00:54:22.079
of Sir Francis Drake. Dr. Conrad said that last

00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:24.280
part while gesturing air quotes with his hands.

00:54:25.619 --> 00:54:28.260
Hawthorne looked at Dr. Conrad. Sounds like we're

00:54:28.260 --> 00:54:30.579
going to Florida. If that's the case, I want

00:54:30.579 --> 00:54:33.050
Anne to go with me. She's got the time, and well,

00:54:33.190 --> 00:54:35.869
I made a promise to her after our Mexico trip

00:54:35.869 --> 00:54:38.710
that she'd be part of our next one. Hawthorne

00:54:38.710 --> 00:54:42.190
continued with a slight sarcastic tone. And if

00:54:42.190 --> 00:54:44.710
we are researching the location of lost Spanish

00:54:44.710 --> 00:54:48.250
treasure, well, then she'll think that's pretty

00:54:48.250 --> 00:54:50.789
cool, even if we hit a dead end like every other

00:54:50.789 --> 00:54:54.349
group has in the past century. Count me in, sir,

00:54:54.530 --> 00:54:57.449
Amanda said with an enthusiastic smile and optimistic

00:54:57.449 --> 00:55:00.820
tone. Byron's gonna love this and shouldn't have

00:55:00.820 --> 00:55:03.699
a problem with me being gone, especially since

00:55:03.699 --> 00:55:06.760
he knows this has been a fascination of mine

00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.539
since I was young. Shouldn't be a problem, James,

00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:13.199
Dr. Conrad replied. He looked at Hawthorne with

00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:16.679
a grin. Maybe Anne can help keep you out of trouble.

00:55:17.460 --> 00:55:20.719
All right, I've got another meeting, Dr. Conrad

00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.380
said, rising from his chair. I'll send you the

00:55:23.380 --> 00:55:27.099
details as soon as I get them from Tom. He walked

00:55:27.099 --> 00:55:29.679
them to the door. In the meantime, you'll want

00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:31.880
to dust off your old history books on Sir Francis

00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:35.420
Drake. Remember, he added, his voice lowering

00:55:35.420 --> 00:55:38.860
slightly, keep this quiet. The fewer people who

00:55:38.860 --> 00:55:41.239
know, the better. Don't worry about your classes.

00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:43.820
We'll bring in adjuncts to cover them. Also,

00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:46.119
if it ends up being a dead end and nothing comes

00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:54.780
of your findings, it's no big deal. Later that

00:55:54.780 --> 00:55:57.400
day, after finishing his classes, Hawthorne stopped

00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.280
by Amanda's newly renovated office to see if

00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:03.659
she had received the email from Dr. Conrad. Hey,

00:56:03.659 --> 00:56:06.219
Prof, you in? he asked, knocking on the half

00:56:06.219 --> 00:56:09.219
-open door and peering inside. Her office was

00:56:09.219 --> 00:56:12.239
in the newly expanded wing of the building. Hawthorne

00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:15.000
didn't mind his own small, old office on the

00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.619
other side. He'd been happy to avoid the temporary

00:56:17.619 --> 00:56:20.940
relocation during the project. The multi -million

00:56:20.940 --> 00:56:23.579
dollar renovation had been a disruptive mess,

00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:26.619
but he had to admit the new spaces were larger

00:56:26.619 --> 00:56:30.239
and still smelled new. Olivia glanced up, leaning

00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:33.400
in her chair to see the door. Oh, hey, Professor

00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:36.880
Hawthorne. Hello, Olivia, Hawthorne said. I was

00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:39.039
looking for your boss. Do you happen to know

00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:42.539
when she'll be back? Um, not sure. Did you text

00:56:42.539 --> 00:56:45.599
her? Olivia asked. Hawthorne was somewhat old

00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.119
school, preferring face -to -face conversations

00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:51.099
over texting or emailing colleagues who were

00:56:51.099 --> 00:56:54.119
already on campus. Besides, it gave him an excuse

00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:56.820
to get up and walk around. Time permitting, of

00:56:56.820 --> 00:57:00.059
course. No, I didn't text her. Didn't even think

00:57:00.059 --> 00:57:02.519
about it, actually, Hawthorne said, fumbling

00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:05.579
in his pocket for his phone. Anyway, let me just

00:57:05.579 --> 00:57:09.369
see. Well, before she left, she said she was

00:57:09.369 --> 00:57:12.150
going to the library to do some research. That

00:57:12.150 --> 00:57:15.090
was about 20 minutes ago. She's probably still

00:57:15.090 --> 00:57:18.829
there. Ah, okay. That answers my question then.

00:57:18.929 --> 00:57:21.150
I'll head over there. Thanks. See you around,

00:57:21.369 --> 00:57:24.150
Hawthorne said. He left the office and walked

00:57:24.150 --> 00:57:26.869
over to the large campus research library located

00:57:26.869 --> 00:57:35.369
in the center of campus. Prof. Amanda was sitting

00:57:35.369 --> 00:57:38.409
at a large table in the campus research library.

00:57:38.750 --> 00:57:42.550
Two stacks of books beside her. The library was

00:57:42.550 --> 00:57:45.769
quiet and peaceful, mostly empty at this time

00:57:45.769 --> 00:57:49.030
of the day. With classes finished, most students

00:57:49.030 --> 00:57:51.389
preferred doing their research online rather

00:57:51.389 --> 00:57:54.929
than hunting through old dusty books. Amanda,

00:57:54.969 --> 00:57:58.250
however, enjoyed the quiet. She felt the old

00:57:58.250 --> 00:58:01.349
shelves still held secrets yet to be discovered.

00:58:01.980 --> 00:58:05.119
She looked up as someone walked toward her table

00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.719
and saw it was Professor Hawthorne. I almost

00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:09.900
mistook you for a student, just sitting there

00:58:09.900 --> 00:58:12.800
studying with all those books, Hawthorne said.

00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:15.579
He pulled out a chair and sat down next to her.

00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:18.920
He continued, I wanted to catch you before I

00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:21.920
left campus for the day. Did you see Dr. Conrad's

00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.599
email yet? Amanda glanced up from her laptop,

00:58:24.860 --> 00:58:28.079
a grin on her face. Funny, just getting a head

00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:31.539
start. I got Dr. Conrad's email and came straight

00:58:31.539 --> 00:58:34.480
here. The attachment from Tom Reynolds seems

00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:38.480
to confirm the main legend, but it's vague. Exactly,

00:58:38.659 --> 00:58:41.960
Amanda said. The info from Dr. Conrad's email

00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:46.019
lines up with the official one -ship story. But

00:58:46.019 --> 00:58:49.940
this, she tapped the heavy old book, this is

00:58:49.940 --> 00:58:53.679
why I'm here. What is it? Hawthorne asked. It's

00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:57.360
an old compilation from the early 1800s, Amanda

00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:01.420
explained. It was used back then to verify coastal

00:59:01.420 --> 00:59:04.739
land ownership and fishing rights. To do that,

00:59:04.780 --> 00:59:08.179
the authors copied dozens of old captains' logs

00:59:08.179 --> 00:59:12.320
and notes from the late 1500s and early 1600s.

00:59:12.420 --> 00:59:16.320
So it's a primary source archive? Hawthorne asked.

00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:20.039
His interest peaked. Exactly, and one of those

00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:24.940
logs from a local 1800s fishing captain claims

00:59:24.940 --> 00:59:28.039
he found what appeared to be wreckage from two

00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:31.719
separate ships in the same area, not one. His

00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:35.639
findings seem to suggest the official story is

00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:39.800
not the complete story. Hmm, I wonder if Dr.

00:59:40.099 --> 00:59:42.840
Conrad's friend Tom Reynolds knows about this,

00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:46.800
Hawthorne asked. Amanda shook her head. I doubt

00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:50.440
it. This is the only surviving copy. The others

00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.280
were reportedly destroyed during the Civil War.

00:59:53.980 --> 00:59:57.239
El Dorado only has it because of a book trade

00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.420
they made with a South Carolina university years

01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:03.940
ago. Those trades involved thousands of books,

01:00:04.099 --> 01:00:06.840
she continued, tapping the page. So the chances

01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:09.420
of someone else reading this one paragraph on

01:00:09.420 --> 01:00:12.940
page 328 and connecting it to this project are

01:00:12.940 --> 01:00:17.119
slim to none. If Tom or Dr. Conrad knew, they

01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:19.500
would have shared it. Hawthorne leaned over the

01:00:19.500 --> 01:00:22.119
old book. I've never even heard of this account.

01:00:22.380 --> 01:00:25.679
How did you find it so fast? It was a ghost,

01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:28.380
Amanda said, her voice still holding a trace

01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:31.500
of excitement. A footnote in my grad school research.

01:00:31.860 --> 01:00:35.039
I always assumed all copies were destroyed during

01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:38.599
the Civil War. After the meeting, I ran a search

01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:42.179
for it in our library's catalog on a one in a

01:00:42.179 --> 01:00:45.159
million hunch because... I knew El Dorado had

01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:48.119
done book swaps with other universities on the

01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:51.420
East Coast. And it was here? Hawthorne replied,

01:00:51.739 --> 01:00:54.920
then said, what are the odds? It was here, Amanda

01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:58.199
said. The catalog shows El Dorado got it years

01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:00.880
ago through their book trade with the South Carolina

01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:04.340
University. It's listed as the only known surviving

01:01:04.340 --> 01:01:08.420
copy. She continued, this has got to be a sign.

01:01:08.579 --> 01:01:11.380
I mean, how often does something like this just

01:01:11.380 --> 01:01:14.340
land in your lap? Hawthorne was still processing

01:01:14.340 --> 01:01:17.519
the blind luck Amanda had just stumbled on, then

01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:20.539
asked, So the real question is, are we going

01:01:20.539 --> 01:01:24.139
to Florida to find one shipwreck or two? And

01:01:24.139 --> 01:01:26.880
are we the only two people who know about it?

01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:35.019
Later that day, the dig team, chairs 3, 4, and

01:01:35.019 --> 01:01:37.619
5, sat silently in the modern sofas of a sterile

01:01:37.619 --> 01:01:40.400
high -end condo in a new development in St. Augustine.

01:01:40.699 --> 01:01:42.940
Midnight, the second chair and sixth chair stood

01:01:42.940 --> 01:01:45.280
next to a glass coffee table where a laptop sat.

01:01:45.739 --> 01:01:48.780
Its screen black. The voice of the first chair,

01:01:48.860 --> 01:01:51.119
clear and dispassionate, emerged from the laptop

01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:54.500
speakers. Second, report, chair one said. The

01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:56.679
location was correct, Midnight said. We recovered

01:01:56.679 --> 01:01:59.000
the caja this morning. The contents match your

01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.719
intelligence. Spanish coins, 16th century. The

01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:04.019
marker is confirmed. The shipwreck is real and

01:02:04.019 --> 01:02:06.260
we're still in play. A moment of silence passed.

01:02:06.500 --> 01:02:08.739
I'll send a runner over later today, pick up

01:02:08.739 --> 01:02:10.690
the contents you found this morning. I'm assured

01:02:10.690 --> 01:02:13.670
none will be missing. We count 24 coins in total,

01:02:13.769 --> 01:02:16.269
sir. One more than what you had expected, Minna

01:02:16.269 --> 01:02:21.050
answered. Interesting. 24 coins, hmm. Well then,

01:02:21.090 --> 01:02:23.889
luck is on my side. First chair then asked, well

01:02:23.889 --> 01:02:26.969
then, six, report. The internal sweep is complete.

01:02:27.130 --> 01:02:30.530
Six chairs said with a calm and analytical tone.

01:02:30.730 --> 01:02:33.130
The rest of the team is clean. Third, fourth,

01:02:33.190 --> 01:02:35.489
and fifth are just muscle. They have no contacts

01:02:35.489 --> 01:02:37.590
here, and they know what's at stake if they screw

01:02:37.590 --> 01:02:40.099
up. And the external threats? First chair asked.

01:02:40.659 --> 01:02:43.320
The sixth chair continues that local authorities

01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.119
are not a factor, but I've identified one potential

01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:48.980
complication. Go on, the voice said. The St.

01:02:49.019 --> 01:02:51.760
Augustine Historical Society, a man there, Tom

01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.940
Arnold, has been actively and quietly researching

01:02:54.940 --> 01:02:57.940
the same thing for some months now. As of now,

01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:00.860
he appears to be the only other person who's

01:03:00.860 --> 01:03:03.079
potentially looking for the same thing as we

01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:05.760
are. Is he a threat? Vinay asked, her voice sharp.

01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:09.119
Not by himself, sixth chair replied. But he is

01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:11.539
the primary point of exposure. If anyone else

01:03:11.539 --> 01:03:14.000
gets involved, it will be through him. This is

01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:17.719
unacceptable, First Chair said. An entire organization

01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:20.340
cannot be allowed to interfere. If this guy knows

01:03:20.340 --> 01:03:22.360
something, then you can assume the Historical

01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:25.179
Society will know it at some point. Six, your

01:03:25.179 --> 01:03:27.920
new priority here is the Historical Society itself.

01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:30.420
I want you to discreetly disrupt their research.

01:03:30.619 --> 01:03:32.679
Misdirect them. Lead them down false trails.

01:03:32.900 --> 01:03:35.340
Your operation must be surgical, no collateral

01:03:35.340 --> 01:03:38.809
damage, and absolutely no trace. of our involvement.

01:03:39.130 --> 01:03:42.809
Our anonymity is paramount. Second, the voice

01:03:42.809 --> 01:03:45.010
on the laptop continued. You will proceed with

01:03:45.010 --> 01:03:47.190
the primary objective. Locate the main wreckage.

01:03:47.269 --> 01:03:49.690
We have our proof. Now I want the prize. The

01:03:49.690 --> 01:03:51.429
connection clicked and the speaker went silent.

01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:07.840
And that ends part one. Stay tuned next week

01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:10.019
as we bring you part two of the mystery of St.

01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:23.420
Augustine. We've gone from practical halls of

01:04:23.420 --> 01:04:26.099
Taylor University to the unfolding secrets of

01:04:26.099 --> 01:04:29.000
St. Augustine. It makes you realize that whether

01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:31.699
you're filling out a college application or solving

01:04:31.699 --> 01:04:33.780
a mystery, the most important thing is to keep

01:04:33.780 --> 01:04:36.610
asking questions. A huge thank you to our guests

01:04:36.610 --> 01:04:39.510
from Taylor University for their invaluable advice

01:04:39.510 --> 01:04:42.070
in the first half of the show. We hope their

01:04:42.070 --> 01:04:45.329
insights help you find your path. And are you

01:04:45.329 --> 01:04:47.710
hooked on the mystery? I hope so. You'll have

01:04:47.710 --> 01:04:50.969
to tune in to episode 120 to hear part two of

01:04:50.969 --> 01:04:53.469
the 10 -part original story. And don't forget

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