1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,440 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,420 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages and is intended for a mature 4 00:00:22,420 --> 00:00:23,620 audience. 5 00:00:23,620 --> 00:00:33,960 Listener discretion is advised. 6 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,280 Welcome back everyone. 7 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:36,280 Welcome back. 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,960 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,560 And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski . 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,920 And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases. 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,280 And missing person cases. 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,360 So just at the top here, I wanted to give a little thank you to one of our listeners, 13 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:53,360 Sherri. 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,440 She donated to buy us a coffee this week. 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,600 And I just wanted to say thank you and how much we appreciate it. 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,200 And I hope you're still listening. 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,440 Yeah, thank you so much. 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,680 Those are such a great surprise when they come through. 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:17,160 And really, they do help us sustain the podcast and continue to be able to do this to afford 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,680 the platform that we put this on. 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,720 And it means a lot. 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:22,720 Oh, yeah. 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,120 It means the world. 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,220 And it's such an honor to be a part of your week. 25 00:01:28,220 --> 00:01:30,000 Thank you so much for joining us. 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,080 And I think with that, we should just get right into it, huh? 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,080 Yeah. 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,440 We are on a cold case this week. 29 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:39,440 Cold case, yeah. 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:40,440 All righty. 31 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,440 Let's get started. 32 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,740 So today, I have for you a cold case. 33 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:52,240 And just as a content warning at the top, this case does involve some animals, but there's 34 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,320 no harm that comes to the animals. 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,320 I won't be talking about anything like that. 36 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,000 So I just want to give our listeners a warning at the top. 37 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,280 Today we are going to be covering the cold case of Shirley McAvoy. 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,360 And this takes place in August of 1990 in Pittsfield, Maine. 39 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,640 But first, a little bit about Shirley. 40 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:15,800 Shirley was 32 years old in 1990. 41 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,760 She was born January 4th, 1958. 42 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,580 And she would be 65 years old today. 43 00:02:21,580 --> 00:02:26,820 She was recently separated from her husband, Brian McAvoy, and the two were going through 44 00:02:26,820 --> 00:02:28,820 an official divorce hearing. 45 00:02:28,820 --> 00:02:33,920 Those close to her say Shirley was going through a season of depression, not only from her 46 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:40,920 upcoming divorce, but her soon to be ex-husband had also maintained custody of their two daughters. 47 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:45,980 Her neighbor, Dennis York, says, quote, her children were all she would talk about. 48 00:02:45,980 --> 00:02:48,440 That was her whole life, end quote. 49 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,480 Family and friends say that Shirley was outgoing and friendly. 50 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,320 She volunteered at one of her daughter's schools, and on hot summer days, she would 51 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,480 take neighborhood kids to a swimming pool. 52 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,880 Dennis York says, quote, she was very good to all of the children on the street, end 53 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:02,880 quote. 54 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,380 Shirley had recently begun dating a new guy in August of 1990. 55 00:03:07,380 --> 00:03:10,080 And now a timeline of events. 56 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:16,320 So on Thursday, August 9th, 1990, Shirley was last seen alive at her mobile home located 57 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,880 on Berry Road in Pittsfield, Maine. 58 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,880 Her friend invites Shirley to a wedding later that month before leaving. 59 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,920 The next day, Friday, August 10th, Shirley is supposed to appear in court as part of 60 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:33,320 the custody hearing in her and her husband's upcoming divorce, but she fails to show up. 61 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,440 Later that day, she was expected at her daughter's birthday party, but she also doesn't show 62 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,060 up, which everyone notes as very odd and out of character for her. 63 00:03:42,060 --> 00:03:47,800 That same day, Shirley's vehicle is involved in a car accident on the Southeast Expressway 64 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,960 in Boston, Massachusetts. 65 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:55,360 The driver of the vehicle is not Shirley, but a tall, slender, white guy with light-colored 66 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,360 hair. 67 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,920 He's the only person inside the car. 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,600 He gets out and hands the other driver an insurance card with Brian McAvoy's name on 69 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:04,600 it. 70 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,400 The driver of Shirley's vehicle says, quote, I'm never going to drive in Boston again, 71 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,400 end quote. 72 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,400 The two agreed to pull off of the road up ahead to get out of the flow of traffic, but 73 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:22,400 the man driving Shirley's red two-door 1990 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme keeps driving. 74 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:29,260 Brian is ultimately notified of the accident, and he's unable to get in contact with Shirley. 75 00:04:29,260 --> 00:04:36,280 On August 28th, 1990, so this has been a few weeks since Shirley was last seen, Brian McAvoy 76 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:38,180 reports Shirley missing. 77 00:04:38,180 --> 00:04:43,040 Her friends thought she had just taken space to work through her recent separation. 78 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,800 Throughout the month of September, police issue a statewide missing person bulletin 79 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,880 for Shirley and reach out to family and friends to see if she's been in contact with anybody, 80 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,160 but nobody has heard from her since August 9th. 81 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,720 Police also are able to access Shirley's home as Brian gave them a key. 82 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,700 Police do a quick glance around the home, but don't notice anything. 83 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:10,560 On October 1st of 1990, this is almost two months now that Shirley has been missing, 84 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:16,360 Brian McAvoy wanted to winterize her mobile home and clean out the fridge in case that 85 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,660 she came back so that way her home was ready for her. 86 00:05:19,660 --> 00:05:25,560 Police Chief Spencer Harvey lets Brian, Brian's girlfriend, and Shirley's friend into the 87 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,440 home and leaves. 88 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Shirley's friend, who asked to remain anonymous throughout this, noticed that a sofa was out 89 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:38,160 of place and thought that there were bird marks under the sofa on the carpet. 90 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,360 Once the sofa was moved, she knew that it was blood. 91 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,440 She says, quote, I felt completely sick. 92 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,120 I said, I know what that is. 93 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,480 I know it's blood. 94 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,480 End quote. 95 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:53,880 They call police chief Harvey back, who sees the three foot by two foot blood stain and 96 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,360 he calls the state police to help search the rest of the home. 97 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,200 Police will spend three days searching the home and they'll also find that none of 98 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,040 Shirley's clothing was missing. 99 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:08,140 Curtains from the back of her home were moved to the front living room and a new bedspread 100 00:06:08,140 --> 00:06:11,660 that Shirley had bought to match her curtains was missing. 101 00:06:11,660 --> 00:06:15,360 Also missing were her two dogs, Nikki and Max. 102 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,940 Police did find evidence of a dog being locked in a room at the home, which friends say Shirley 103 00:06:19,940 --> 00:06:21,040 never did. 104 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,320 Her friend says, quote, she worried about her dogs as much as her kids. 105 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,160 Her dogs are just like her kids to her. 106 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,520 They were her babies. 107 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:29,800 End quote. 108 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:35,160 On October 4th, 1990, police announced that Shirley's car is missing. 109 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:40,640 They also say Brian McEvoy is cooperating with police and police are focused on creating 110 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,800 a composite sketch of a man that had recently moved in with Shirley five days before she 111 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:46,800 disappeared. 112 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,760 Shirley had told a friend that he was a relative, but police are able to determine he was not 113 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,640 a relative of Shirley's. 114 00:06:53,640 --> 00:07:00,540 On October 5th, 1990, police formally interview Brian McEvoy and police learn of the car accident 115 00:07:00,540 --> 00:07:01,840 in Boston. 116 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:07,240 Police also confirm that the blood found in Shirley's home is human blood and it will 117 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,920 take months, but it is ultimately determined that it is Shirley's blood. 118 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,820 On Tuesday, October 9th, police go to Boston to investigate the car accident. 119 00:07:16,820 --> 00:07:21,800 Police make a sketch of the man that was driving the car based off of the other driver's description 120 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,580 and his passenger's description. 121 00:07:24,580 --> 00:07:28,880 Police say the sketch of the driver and the sketch of the man living with Shirley are 122 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:29,880 similar. 123 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:36,040 On November 9th, 1990, so this is just over three months that Shirley has been missing, 124 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,360 police release a sketch of the suspect, the man living with Shirley and they believe he 125 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,720 was also driving her car in Boston. 126 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:49,360 Maine State Police spokesperson Stephen McCausland says, quote, His name may be Jerry. 127 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,080 He may have worked construction in the Millinocket area. 128 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,280 He may have a 12 year old daughter. 129 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,480 He may have divorced a Massachusetts woman who was having twins, end quote. 130 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:06,440 Police believe in 1990, this suspect who will call Jerry because that's what police believe 131 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,160 his name might have been. 132 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:15,320 Police believe Jerry was between 33 and 37 years old, had dirty blonde hair, blue eyes, 133 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,240 was around 5'10 and 180 pounds. 134 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,740 He had crooked front teeth and also had pock marks on his cheeks. 135 00:08:22,740 --> 00:08:25,000 And he spoke with a southern accent. 136 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,440 Police also say that at this time they do not consider Brian McAvoy a suspect. 137 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,680 Spokesperson Stephen McCauland says, quote, The bottom line is our leads that detectives 138 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:40,640 have been pursuing very, very vigorously for the last month are down to a precious few. 139 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,400 And now we need the public's help in putting a name to this face and this man who we think 140 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,880 may be the clue for finding where Shirley McAvoy is, end quote. 141 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:56,720 On Tuesday, November 20th, 1990, a deer hunter in Spotslavaenia, Virginia was standing on 142 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:02,440 his truck bed not too far behind Todd's Tavern Market when he spotted what he thought 143 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,000 was a white ball. 144 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,720 After walking closer, he realized it was a human skull and called police. 145 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,800 Police find the skeletal remains of Shirley McAvoy wrapped in a bedspread. 146 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,680 Her feet had been bound with the cord and she was not buried. 147 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:22,680 Police are able to quickly ID her from a denture with her last name on it. 148 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,000 And she was also wearing her class ring. 149 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,660 But her official ID does come through dental records. 150 00:09:28,660 --> 00:09:33,840 The next day on November 21st, police combed the area where Shirley's body was found, 151 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,480 looking for additional clues and the remains of her two dogs. 152 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,760 But nothing is found. 153 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,840 Dr. Masello Fiera conducts Shirley's autopsy. 154 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:48,880 He says she was bound with a Venetian blind type cord and Maine police confirmed that 155 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,320 the windows in her home were disturbed. 156 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:57,000 Dr. Fiera also says that the bedspread she was wrapped in was covered in bodily fluid, 157 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,280 but he wouldn't confirm if it was blood. 158 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:05,520 Dr. Fiera isn't able to determine a cause of death, but does consult with an anthropologist. 159 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,000 Later reports will say that Shirley was stabbed. 160 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,800 Police believe that she was killed in her home in Maine and put in the trunk of her 161 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,800 car and brought south to Virginia. 162 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,920 They believe her body had been there since August. 163 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:24,520 The next day, November 22nd, police received a report that Shirley's vehicle was pulled 164 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,800 over in northern Florida on August 14th. 165 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,960 So this would have been five days after Shirley was last seen alive. 166 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:37,080 But police in Florida didn't write down any details about what was otherwise a routine 167 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:43,560 traffic stop and months later they couldn't remember any details about the driver. 168 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:50,240 On Saturday, January 26th, 1991, Shirley's funeral is held and she is laid to rest at 169 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,080 St. Joseph Cemetery. 170 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:57,560 Her sister, Cecily Delcourt says, quote, we're relieved we can put her to rest, but I'm angry 171 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:02,600 that most likely he still has her car and is out joyriding, end quote. 172 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:09,000 In March of 1991, so this is seven months since Shirley disappeared, police in Georgia 173 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,040 arrest a man driving Shirley's car. 174 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:18,200 The car had been repainted from red to gray and the VIN and license plate number were 175 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,420 changed. 176 00:11:19,420 --> 00:11:25,140 Police don't believe the driver is a suspect, but hope he'll lead police back to Jerry. 177 00:11:25,140 --> 00:11:27,200 This ultimately is a bust though. 178 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:33,440 The car had been stolen from a Holiday Inn in St. Augustine Beach and then repainted 179 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,920 and it was recovered ultimately in Darien, Georgia. 180 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,100 Police began processing the car and find blood in her vehicle. 181 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:47,580 On August 26th, 1991, so it's been over a year since Shirley was murdered and almost 182 00:11:47,580 --> 00:11:52,480 a year since her body was found, but police have no new leads in her case. 183 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:57,960 Even state police spokesperson Stephen McCausland says, quote, we've scoured her car, we've 184 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,640 scoured her mobile home and there was a great deal of evidence from the scene, but we still 185 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,280 haven't been able to identify him, end quote. 186 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,380 And the him he's referring to is the Jerry suspect. 187 00:12:10,380 --> 00:12:16,760 So in November of 1995, this is over five years since Shirley's murder. 188 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:22,080 Shirley's story appears on the Fox network show, Real Stories of Highway Patrol. 189 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,320 During the episode, it's revealed that as well as the blood stain on the carpet that 190 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:32,480 was found in her home, police used the luminol in her home and they found blood everywhere 191 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:38,660 on the walls, ceilings, and they even found it in the shower and sink drains. 192 00:12:38,660 --> 00:12:43,040 After the show airs, police receive around 40 tips, but there's no major break in the 193 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,200 case. 194 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:49,400 And then in August of 2004, this is 14 years. 195 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:55,400 Shirley's family offer a $10,000 reward for information leading to the killer. 196 00:12:55,400 --> 00:13:00,480 Shirley's daughter, Christina Lancaster, who's married and has her own kids at this time, 197 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,960 says, quote, we just want this guy behind bars and we want to know why he did it, end 198 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:06,960 quote. 199 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:13,280 And that is really the last update that I could find on Shirley McAvoy's case. 200 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:20,720 If you know anything about what happened to Shirley McAvoy in August of 1990, who possibly 201 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:27,200 the suspect Jerry is who was driving her car or the whereabouts of her dogs, what happened 202 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:38,340 to them, please call the Maine State Police Major Crime Unit at 207-624-7143. 203 00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:42,800 And the sources for the timeline come from the Banger Daily News. 204 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:49,720 The Morning Centennial, Kennebec Journal, the Journal Tribune, the Richmond Times Dispatch 205 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,560 and the Boston Globe. 206 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:54,440 So that is the case of Shirley McAvoy. 207 00:13:54,440 --> 00:14:04,400 Man, I feel bad using this word, but the first thing I thought was like just gruesome. 208 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:13,360 You know, like the word that or not the word, but people usually describe like, you know, 209 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,280 vicious attacks like this is like, like an animal had done it. 210 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:27,880 But I think that an animal would be ashamed of something like that because like, no, animals 211 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,400 don't kill like that. 212 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,400 Right. 213 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:38,240 Not even like sharks, you know, like, yeah, it's vicious, but there's still a goal, which 214 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,240 is food. 215 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,280 You know, anyway, there's not overkill. 216 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:53,280 Yeah, like you had a very, you had an intention to what you were doing there, you know. 217 00:14:53,280 --> 00:15:01,280 And I just, you know, I opened up the picture when I was listening to you and she looked 218 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,000 like someone like personal to me anyway. 219 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:11,920 And I just like, yeah, like she just looks like a sweet lady, you know, like how could 220 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,560 you do that to someone? 221 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:15,560 You know? 222 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:16,560 Yeah. 223 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:26,320 And honestly, one of the more, I know you didn't do it, you know, like intentionally. 224 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,680 It's just like one of the more gruesome ones that we've covered, unfortunately. 225 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:36,480 So I think that's why it's, I'm focusing on it is you had to tell us. 226 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,920 It's part of the story. 227 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,880 It's fact, it's like part of the facts. 228 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:42,880 Yeah. 229 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:50,160 Just so our listeners know, I don't want to tell gruesome facts or anything like that 230 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,960 just for shock value, but I genuinely want to give them and present them just as facts 231 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,920 because you never know what thing might have slipped up, what somebody might have said, 232 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:06,160 what that clue is that they said on a drunken night in a bar or that they cried out in their 233 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,160 sleep. 234 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:12,480 Like you just don't know what is going to be the thing that jogs a memory in someone's 235 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,040 mind and says, Oh yes, I know something about this case. 236 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,040 Yeah. 237 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:25,000 Unfortunately, in engaging with true crime in this way, the facts that are hard to listen 238 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:31,920 to, hard to read, hard to take in, if they serve what the main goal is, which is finding 239 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:38,640 the person, if like, you know, exploring those details, unfortunately, if they serve finding 240 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,560 this person, then they need to be spoken about. 241 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:48,880 But you know, here at cold and missing, what we do is talk about those things with respect 242 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,600 and dignity and boundaries. 243 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:58,200 Like there's not, it's not necessary to go into detail, but there is, there's an importance 244 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,840 in mentioning it, especially with this case. 245 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:07,400 So just to echo that and for our listeners and continued listening, we, we do our best 246 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:12,480 to focus on what's most important. 247 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,080 Yeah. 248 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:19,480 And you know, this case, there's a couple of questions that come to my mind. 249 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,040 The one weird guy. 250 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,440 Well, yeah, Jerry, Jerry. 251 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,440 Yeah. 252 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,080 Possibly named Jerry. 253 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,080 Yeah. 254 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,360 I instantly, you couldn't hear me out there, but I go off Jerry. 255 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:35,120 I was like, I don't know why I like latched onto it. 256 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:38,040 Pretty instantly I was like, it's this guy. 257 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,040 Yeah. 258 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,000 Interactions odd. 259 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:49,360 Maybe it's because, you know, again, if you're looking for it, it's there, but I don't, I 260 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:53,440 don't understand what's going on with that relationship. 261 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,460 And that was a new relationship by all accounts. 262 00:17:57,460 --> 00:18:05,400 He had moved in five days a week before she disappeared and ultimately was murdered. 263 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,760 And neighbor said, he just showed up. 264 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,320 He didn't have a car. 265 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,400 He just showed up one day at her house and was there. 266 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,680 And you know, other friends saw him in her house. 267 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:25,780 So yeah, I'm like, was he someone that was like watching her for a period of time before 268 00:18:25,780 --> 00:18:32,440 he just quote showed up, you know, and had a plan or it was being whatever. 269 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,920 There's a couple of different stories about where they possibly could have met. 270 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,940 But it seems like the main one was kind of this like recreation. 271 00:18:39,940 --> 00:18:44,440 I think it was called like fun center or fun town or something like that. 272 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,200 Was that they like met at this place. 273 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,920 What was your imagination station in celebration? 274 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:50,920 Celebration station. 275 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:51,920 Yeah. 276 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,920 Superior, superior tall. 277 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,520 To Chuck, to Chuck E. Cheese. 278 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:58,520 To Charles E. Cheese. 279 00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:59,520 Charles E. Cheese. 280 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:07,000 Anyway, but yeah, they're so there's a couple of different mentions, but it seems likely 281 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,640 that that was where they met. 282 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,160 Possibly in July, about a month before she went missing. 283 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:19,120 But again, it seems like he told different people different things in her life about 284 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:21,960 where he was from, where his family was from. 285 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,880 Yeah, like a lot of lies that even if they said like, well, he told me this, he told 286 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,040 me this, there's no real origin anyway. 287 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,040 Right. 288 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,520 And really they just bought him time. 289 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:33,520 Yeah. 290 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:34,520 Yeah. 291 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:35,520 Whatever he was doing. 292 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,240 And people said he didn't offer anything. 293 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,520 It's like they really had he wasn't friendly. 294 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,040 You know, he was in talkative to people. 295 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,400 They really kind of had to pry. 296 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,880 It's like, what's what's it called? 297 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,440 Like when someone just like blows into town? 298 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,600 I can't think of it. 299 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:50,600 I guess it doesn't matter. 300 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:57,720 A pass or a passerby or a lone like someone who isn't from the town and it's just like 301 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,640 blown blown through. 302 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,980 You know, there's a specific word. 303 00:20:01,980 --> 00:20:04,480 Someone who's listening is like, it's this word. 304 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:05,480 Oh, I know. 305 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,480 Yeah. 306 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,240 But yeah, just like someone randomly like who is this guy? 307 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,240 Where did he come from? 308 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,240 Like, right. 309 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,480 He spoke with a southern accent. 310 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,560 Yeah, was in Maine. 311 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,880 So yeah, lots of questions around Jerry. 312 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,760 And ultimately, he's never been identified. 313 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:26,360 I also have questions just in the beginning, because it seems like police went into her 314 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:31,680 home before she was officially reported missing or shortly thereafter. 315 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,640 The timing seemed to kind of off in the newspaper reports I was reading. 316 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,120 I couldn't really pin that down. 317 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:43,120 But police do enter it before October 1st when the blood stain is found. 318 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:48,600 So I'm just wondering, did police just look really quickly, not see anything because the 319 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,240 sofa had been moved over the blood stain? 320 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,360 Did they just not notice it? 321 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:55,480 They didn't know that they wouldn't know her furniture layout. 322 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,920 So they wouldn't know the sofa had been moved. 323 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,040 Was it just something quick like that? 324 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,880 And that's why it was missed. 325 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,800 But there was a lot of things going on in her home. 326 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,560 You know, there was the police say the windows were disturbed and kind of broken. 327 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,980 The cords were missing. 328 00:21:10,980 --> 00:21:17,560 It appears from her windows because her feet were bound with a window cord. 329 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,840 Her bedspread was missing. 330 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,640 None of her clothes were missing. 331 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,320 And the curtains had been moved. 332 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,320 But again, maybe police wouldn't have known that because they didn't know how her home 333 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,360 was before she had disappeared. 334 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:28,360 Yeah. 335 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:34,080 Yeah, I just have questions in there about how the investigation started. 336 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:41,760 And Brian, you know, her soon to be ex-husband cooperates with police and is ultimately ruled 337 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,240 out as a suspect, according to them. 338 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:50,680 But there does seem to be like a hitch in getting this figured out because, you know, 339 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,440 why weren't the police alerted quicker that the car had been in an accident? 340 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,120 Because Brian had known that like, it just seems like there was hiccups in getting this 341 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:01,120 case going. 342 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:06,600 Yeah, and there had to have been evidence like everywhere initially. 343 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,840 Unless it was cleaned up and the only thing that remained was the- 344 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,240 Yeah, and we know the luminol testing. 345 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:21,200 But, yeah, in hearing the details, what it indicates to me is that it was frenzied. 346 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,960 Like it wasn't, I don't think it was planned. 347 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,160 And even if it was, it didn't go according to plan. 348 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,160 It was messy. 349 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,160 Yeah. 350 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:37,120 And, you know, like with down to like what they use to, you know, tie her feet together. 351 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:39,600 Like it's not like it was rope that was brought in. 352 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,600 Right. 353 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,920 Like that was ripped from the wall or whatever, you know. 354 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,400 It was all stuff there. 355 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,400 Yeah. 356 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,400 Yeah. 357 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,080 But whoever did it obviously had time to clean because police had entered and if there had 358 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,080 been blood everywhere- 359 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,360 And knew the space. 360 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:57,280 Knew to like turn, grab that, pull it, you know. 361 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,280 Yeah. 362 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:03,880 But, you know, if police initially had walked in and seen blood everywhere, like from jump, 363 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,680 it would have been a homicide. 364 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:11,800 But that person, whoever did it, had time to clean because when police initially entered, 365 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:18,240 just on a cursory glance, there was nothing found, you know, out of the ordinary. 366 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,860 They're, you know, they didn't even see the blood stain on the carpet. 367 00:23:20,860 --> 00:23:26,600 It seems like that was the only evidence left to the eye that you could see. 368 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:33,000 Yeah, it just really sad that her daughters had to grow up without her. 369 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,400 She was very close with her daughters and that was something that tipped off her family 370 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,000 and friends was that she wasn't in contact with them and that's how they knew something 371 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,000 was wrong. 372 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Yeah. 373 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Pretty quickly. 374 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:54,440 When you started talking about that, I started thinking about you and your mom and how you, 375 00:23:54,440 --> 00:24:00,000 when you both get to talking together, it's just like you're friends in your mother-daughter 376 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:06,200 relationship and it sounded like that was very present in their relationship and that 377 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:12,480 like, I don't know, being a mother and being a parent was a big part of who she was. 378 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,480 Totally. 379 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,720 That she didn't get to have more of that. 380 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,920 Yeah, and her kids didn't get to have more of that. 381 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,920 Exactly. 382 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,920 Yeah. 383 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:29,280 If you have anything about what happened to Shirley McAvoy in August of 1990, please call 384 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:37,400 the Maine State Police Major Crime Unit at 207-624-7143. 385 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,920 If you aren't already, you can follow us on Instagram. 386 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:45,160 We'll be posting pictures of Shirley and the composite sketch of Jerry. 387 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,360 That'll be up there so you can see. 388 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:52,760 Please share it so that way other people can see it and learn about Shirley's case if they 389 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