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Hello everyone and welcome back.

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Welcome back everyone.

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I am your co-host Eli Sulkowski.

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And I'm your host Ali McLaughlin Sulkowski.

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And this is Cold and Missing where we cover cold cases.

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And unresolved missing person cases.

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This week we have a missing case.

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That's right, we are covering a missing case.

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Would you like to lead us into it?

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Yeah, let's just get into it.

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Awesome.

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So today we are covering the unresolved missing person case of Aesha Muhammad.

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And just as a content warning at the top, this story does involve a child.

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And it takes place in November 2000 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

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But first a little bit about Aesha.

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Aisha was 23 years old in November of 2000.

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She was born October 11, 1977 and she would be 45 years old today.

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Aesha was a doting mother of her two and a half year old son Amaru.

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She shared custody with his father, Anthony McLean.

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Amaru would spend the week days with his father and the weekends with his mother.

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Aesha had recently moved to a boarding house in West Philadelphia on North 56th Street.

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The boarding house belonged to her uncle, her dad's half brother, Charles Dawkins.

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Dawkins was renovating the home and needed help with money.

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Him and Aesha struck up a deal where she would rent a room, which was great for Aisha as

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the home was close to the Venus Beauty Academy where she had recently enrolled in classes.

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When she wasn't at school, she was working in a beauty salon.

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Her sister Rashida says, quote, she's so young and so full of life.

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She's a well liked person.

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People stop by here constantly and ask where she is, end quote.

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So now just to get into a timeline of events.

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So the week after Thanksgiving in 2000, Aesha calls Amaru's father, Anthony McLean, and

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asks if she can keep Amaru longer.

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They agree for Amaru to stay with Aesha from November 27th through December 3rd.

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On Wednesday, November 29th, 2000, Aesha calls her sister, Wahkita, to complain about her

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landlord, Charles Dawkins.

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Her sister tells her she can move in with her and they agree to talk tomorrow.

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On Thursday, November 3rd, 2000, Aesha calls Anthony to see if he can take Amaru that weekend

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as something had come up.

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Anthony says no problem, but Aesha never turns up at Anthony's home in Chester, Pennsylvania,

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about 30 minutes away.

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Aesha calls her sister, Wahkita, but she isn't home.

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Aesha then calls her brother, Solomon, and tells her brother that she has all her stuff

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packed up and to come and get her.

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Aesha told Solomon that her landlord was quote, acting crazy, end quote, and quote, had thrown

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her dinner in the trash, end quote.

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Solomon doesn't have a car, so he waits about an hour until Wahkita returns home and Solomon

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tells her.

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When Wahkita calls Aesha, she doesn't pick up.

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So over the next few days, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, nobody hears from Aesha and

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the family gets increasingly worried and concerned since they can't get a hold of her because she

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has Amaru.

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On Sunday, December 3rd, 2000, the congregation of Liberty Temple Church in East Orange, New

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Jersey, which is about an hour and 45 minutes away from Philadelphia, is holding a service

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at their temporary location, which was a space above an auto shop while their new church

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was being built out.

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Members of the church hear a loud banging at the front door.

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When members went to look, they found two and a half year old Amaru there wearing a

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black coat, jeans, a blue sweatshirt, and a black beanie.

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He had wet his pants and had a scabies rash on his back and abdomen, but otherwise he

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was okay.

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Reverend Robert Jiggett said quote, I'll never forget that day because it was so unusual.

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When they brought the boy to me, I thought he was a member of the congregation.

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I held him up near the end of the service and said, whose child is this, end quote.

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When no one claimed Amaru, they waited and did it again at the next service.

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In between services, members of the church brought him diapers and a suit.

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After the second service, when no one claims Amaru, Reverend Jiggett calls police.

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Police will try to interview Amaru, but he's only able to tell them his first name.

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Police will use local media to get his picture out and try to ID him.

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During this time, Aesha's sisters are frantic trying to get a hold of her and leaving worried

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messages for Aesha at her house.

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Finally, and it's unclear the date of this conversation, Charles tells the sister that

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Aesha packed up all her stuff and moved out.

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The family finds this odd because Aisha didn't own a car and none of them had helped her

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move out, so they have no idea where she could be.

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On December 8th, 2000, this is just over one week, Aesha's father, David Muhammad, had

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come up from Atlanta, Georgia to look for her.

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David, Rashida, Anthony, and other family go to the house that Aesha was renting a room

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from.

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The room had been completely cleaned out and the only furniture left was a dresser and

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a bed with a fitted sheet.

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Quote, there was nothing in there at all to show she was ever there.

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And that was her sister Rashida.

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The next day, December 9th, Wakita goes to visit her longtime partner who is serving

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He immediately told Wakita that he could have sworn he saw Aesha's son on TV.

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It's then that Wahkita is able to tell him that Aesha and Amaru have been missing.

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She immediately leaves and calls family and police.

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It takes about a week, but by December 15th, Amaru is reunited with his father, Anthony.

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Anthony says, quote, I have never had to deal with this much stress.

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I am happy we found Amaru, but we have to find out what's up with Aesha.

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She would not drop off Amaru at that church unless it was life threatening.

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When Amaru is reunited with his family, he begins to talk about what happened.

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His aunt Wahkita says, quote, when we got him back, I asked him what happened to Aesha.

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He said, mommy's dead.

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Then he said, name redacted, punched my mommy in the face and she was bleeding.

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I was fighting him and mommy was fighting him.

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He tells the same thing to his aunt Rashida, who calls Southwest Detectives.

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They advise the family not to drill him, but write down anything he says.

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The family says Amaru continued to talk about it and his story never changed.

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Rashida says, quote, I do believe those things took place.

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Definitely saw something.

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He doesn't even ask for her.

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It's like he knows harm came to her because he was always asking for his mom before, even

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when he was in daycare.

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On January 9th, police interview Amaru.

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A special victims officer will conduct the interview and his story does not waver.

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Amaru tells police the name of the man that hit his mother and that she was hit in the

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head.

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Police say that they are taking his statements very seriously.

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And the next day, January 10th, as a result of talking to Amaru, police take cadaver dogs

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to Aesha's rental house, but they don't ever report what comes of this, if the dogs hit

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Aesha's sister says, quote, I would like to believe that she just ran off because it would

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make me feel better.

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But I know in my heart she didn't.

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And that's Rashida.

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Police will interview Charles twice and his story will change each time about what happened

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to Aesha.

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Police will schedule a polygraph test for mid-January, but he'll flee town.

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Police put a warrant out for his arrest because at this time, Charles was on probation as

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he had just been released from jail about 10 months earlier.

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Charles stays on the run for about six months.

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And in July of 2001, Charles Docket was arrested and sent back to prison to serve the rest

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of his sentence for an aggravated battery charge.

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In December of 2002, so this is two years Aesha has been missing, there had been no

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activity on her credit, which led investigators to pass the case to homicide.

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Lieutenant Mark Deegan, the commander of the homicide special investigative unit, said,

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quote, she's been missing a long time.

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She was a competent and caring mother.

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And after putting our heads together, we've taken over this case because it appears foul

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play might be involved.

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End quote.

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Her family also believes there's no way she would go this long without contacting them.

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Her father, David Muhammad, says, quote, I already know how this is going to turn out.

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My daughter's gone.

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I just want to recover her.

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If anyone could bring this to closure, bring this to an end, they could bring peace to

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This is really destroying us.

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So with that, if you know anything about Aesha's disappearance in November of 2000, please

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contact the Philadelphia police at 215-685-3257.

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Again that's 215-685-3257.

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And the sources for today's podcast come from the Philadelphia Daily News, the Courier

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Post, Donetwork.org, and NamUs.gov.

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OK, so any questions?

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I don't.

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I'm sure some will develop as I talk to you.

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But the first thing that I thought when you introduced Amaru, one of the things that immediately

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popped into my mind, especially doing this podcast with you, is that it's always interesting

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to me when cases with children, specifically with children who do tell them what happened,

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that those cases are overlooked.

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Because well, you know this about me, but I worked in childhood development for many

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years.

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And not that I'm an expert or anything, but something that I learned about kids is that

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they are incapable of lying before age three.

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So if there's a toddler who's telling you pretty blatantly what happened, that's probably

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what happened.

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And it brought into my mind too that children just overall are usually not listened to for

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involving something serious.

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Like they're not taken seriously.

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And I've never really understood that because we're all children at one point.

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And it really disregards their developmental capabilities and just their own agency.

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And of course it broke my heart that this was the person that had to be the person to

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tell you what happened.

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It's a really heavy burden for a two and a half year old to have to carry.

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I think again, my question is and will always be like, what happened here?

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It sounds like the way he turned up, especially in a church, it began to sound like again,

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a storyline you would see on something on television.

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You know?

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It's very interesting to me.

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So Amaru knew whoever caused Aisha harm and caused her to disappear.

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Like this two and a half year old knew this person enough to be able to name him.

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And he's told police and his family the name and the name has been redacted since no charges

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have been filed against this person who they named or that Amaru named.

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But yeah, as I was reading this case, I was thinking about children and their agency.

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And I kind of expected his testimony, for lack of a better word, to be disregarded.

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But it does seem like they take it pretty seriously.

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As soon as he starts talking and the fact that his story doesn't waver, he says the

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same things consistently over and over to different people.

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Well, yeah, again, that proves the well, it's not even a theory.

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It's just that like, he is incapable of lying to you about this.

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That's why it doesn't change.

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Is because like he doesn't your brain developmentally doesn't have that in it to not tell you that.

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So I think that's why I spoke about it right when I walked in because like, whoa, they're

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listening to him.

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And that is great, specifically for a case like this.

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But yeah, it just seems like Charles kind of slips away from them.

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Like he does end up back in jail.

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And in December of 2002, the homicide detectives who had taken over the case mentioned that

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they were going to go to the jail to interview Charles more to try to get more information

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from him.

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So I have no, no idea if that happened the results of that.

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If Charles is even a suspect, he's never been named or charged officially as a suspect in

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this case.

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But he's definitely a person of interest I would venture.

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What I want to what do you think happened?

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What's your opinion since you've been sitting with the case a bit longer than I have?

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You know, on the surface, it is pretty easy to look at Charles and say, well, that's who

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did it.

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You know, she's calling talking about her landlord acting crazy, which is Charles.

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He had thrown her dinner in the trash, which is rude and aggressive.

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That's also a moment where it felt like a storyline I had seen before with like a weird

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landlord or a weird, you know, just like homeowner that you're renting from who's in the same

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house who like does weird things like that, like moves your shoes or, you know, like maybe

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people who are listening and you like we've all lived in the vicinity of someone who behaves

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where you're like, this disturbs me and I don't understand why.

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Like that's a that's disturbing.

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So on the surface, it's really easy for me to be like, well, Charles absolutely did it.

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But at the same time, you know, everything looks suspicious after the fact.

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We've talked about it on here.

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So, so I also like just want to give the, you know, innocent until proven guilty because

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it could be this guy who was on probation, whose niece that is his niece kind of goes

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missing all of a sudden.

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And it absolutely looks like he did it because they had problems.

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They were arguing a couple of days beforehand.

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So like, we don't know what happened.

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We don't know the results of the investigation.

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So like there is it, you know, innocent until proven guilty.

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You know, I do see an argument where like, maybe he panicked and ran because he knew

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he was going to be.

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I mean, there are just as many wrongfully accused as there are like cases that, that

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are, that are, that receive some form of justice and catching the person, you know, who committed

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the crime.

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But like, yeah, wrong place, wrong time when you didn't do it, that's very, very real.

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Totally.

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You know, but again, they were arguing.

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So, you know, for me, if I was an investigator on this, for me to feel good about crossing

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Charles off, you know, I would need a rock solid alibi, like really great proof that

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you were not around, you know, Thursday, November 30th, the last time that Aesha's heard from,

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like, I'm going to need to know your every move that day and the days in between until

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Amaru shows up.

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I need to know everything and I, it really needs to be rock solid.

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Like you come on, man, for, for us to like have faith, you really have to be transparent.

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And maybe he has provided that because it is 2023 at the time we're recording this and

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charges have never been brought against him.

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But yeah, one thing that does seem certain is that Amaru knew the person and for a two

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and a half year old to be able to name somebody, they have to be pretty familiar in my experience.

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You know, I, again, I am not a child expert, but neither of us are.

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But you know, I've been a nanny, like I've worked in children's museums.

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So we have a lot of nieces and nephews around this age who, yeah.

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And sometimes it takes them a couple of times to remember my name.

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So to be able to remember somebody's name in their life is this is somebody that they

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have seen more than once, more than twice, I would imagine.

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But yeah, again, if you know anything about the disappearance of Aisha Muhammad in November

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of 2000, please call the Philadelphia police at two and five six eight five three two five

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seven.

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And we are going to be posting pictures of Aesha on our Instagram.

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So if you're not following us, that's a great place to follow us.

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We're also on all of the podcast platforms.

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