1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,440 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,000 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,420 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages and is intended for a mature 4 00:00:22,420 --> 00:00:23,600 audience. 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:34,680 Listener discretion is advised. 6 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,440 Welcome back everyone. 7 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,760 Welcome back to Cold and Missing. 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,520 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin. 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,440 I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski. 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:43,440 And happy new year. 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,960 Yeah, happy new year everyone. 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,080 This is our first episode of 2023. 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,800 Yeah, I'm very excited. 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,960 What do you have for me today? 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,640 I got a good one for you today. 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,540 So we're back on Cold, Missing, Cold, Missing where we trade off. 17 00:00:58,540 --> 00:01:00,080 And so we're on a cold case. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:07,140 In December, we covered Tito J. Garcia Quintanilla and we are covering Lesley Sparrow this week. 19 00:01:07,140 --> 00:01:12,040 And this case takes place in October of 1979. 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,640 And it takes place mainly in Louisville, Kentucky, but we're going to talk about a couple of 21 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,180 different places in Kentucky. 22 00:01:18,180 --> 00:01:20,760 So it's centered around Louisville though. 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,520 Let me tell you a little bit about Lesley Sparrow. 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:30,640 So Lesley in 1979, she's 35 years old and she's originally from England. 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,840 She's from Dartford, Kent, and her mother, father, and sister all still live over in 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,320 England, but she moved to the United States in 1964. 27 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:43,520 So she's been living here for over 10 years. 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:51,120 She is described as self-reliant and independent, a delightful person to be around, but she's 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,880 also a daredevil. 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:59,840 Her favorite sports or activities, she loves whitewater rafting, she's part of a ski club. 31 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,160 She really loves extreme sports, which I think is really cool. 32 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,280 Yeah, that's really cool. 33 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,280 Yeah. 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:11,920 When she first moved to the United States in 1964, she first lived in Atlanta, Georgia, 35 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:16,640 and she was married to a man in the Air Force, but they divorced in 1975. 36 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:22,880 And by all accounts, it was an amicable divorce. 37 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,720 Everything was okay. 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,960 And she wanted to take her maiden name back, which is Sparrow. 39 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,800 And she said that the Sparrow family had been granted the right to spit in the streets of 40 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,120 London and she wanted to keep that privilege. 41 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:41,720 So when she divorced, she was like, I'm getting that name back because I want to spit in London. 42 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,600 All right. 43 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:49,000 She worked in labor relations for Anaconda Aluminum Company. 44 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:55,680 She started in 1964 and had climbed the corporate ladder and had transferred to their Louisville, 45 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,680 Kentucky office in December of 1977 after her divorce. 46 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,960 So while she had been in the United States for some time, she was newer to the Louisville 47 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:10,040 area, only having lived there a few years by 1979. 48 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:17,960 And Charles Ebert, who was the corporate security liaison of the parent company of this company 49 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,000 she worked for, he's quoted as saying, quote, she was a very independent woman. 50 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,320 She would take on challenges. 51 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,720 She had a lot of spirit, a lot of confidence. 52 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,720 So this is a woman who gets life. 53 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,140 We love that. 54 00:03:32,140 --> 00:03:36,640 So Friday, October 12th, 1979, Lesley is at work. 55 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:42,160 She's last seen at her job at Anaconda Aluminum Company. 56 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:47,260 And she tells a coworker that her boyfriend had invited her to a skydiving competition 57 00:03:47,260 --> 00:03:48,880 in Arizona for the weekend. 58 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,880 And she was stoked on it because she had never been skydiving before. 59 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,480 So she was excited to go do this. 60 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,640 I feel like if I sky dove, I pass out immediately. 61 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:59,640 Yeah. 62 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:00,640 Yeah. 63 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,120 Well, jumping from an airplane is not for everybody, but she was stoked on it. 64 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,120 Yeah. 65 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,680 And she was going to go via a private plane. 66 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:17,160 So a friend of a friend was going to fly them from the Lunkin Airport in Cincinnati, Ohio 67 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,160 to Arizona. 68 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,720 So like a little commuter plane. 69 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,880 So she tells those plans to her coworker. 70 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,640 She's so excited on it. 71 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:30,520 And after work on Friday, she sets off towards Cincinnati, which is where she's going to 72 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,340 be flying out of. 73 00:04:32,340 --> 00:04:40,680 So then on Sunday, October 14th, 1979, a hotel cleaning person at the Best Western Fountain 74 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,140 Inn in Boone County, Kentucky. 75 00:04:43,140 --> 00:04:48,960 So this is about one and a half hours from Louisville, Kentucky, but 15 miles south of 76 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:49,960 Cincinnati. 77 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,280 So it's really close to the Kentucky, Ohio. 78 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:55,800 Oh, that's like where we were when we traveled. 79 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:56,800 Okay. 80 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:57,800 Yeah. 81 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,800 Got it. 82 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,040 So she notices blood near a car in the parking lot and calls police. 83 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,040 The car is a silver... 84 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,040 What? 85 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,880 Blood in what kind of way? 86 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,640 So she notices blood around a car. 87 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,040 Like spilled or like a lot? 88 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,600 It doesn't say exactly what it was, but it does say that she notices a lot of blood, 89 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,960 like around a car in the parking lot. 90 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,520 So she calls police. 91 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:26,840 The car is a silver 1978 Monte Carlo Chevy, and it belonged to Lesley. 92 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:28,160 This is Lesley's car. 93 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:34,960 Police find Lesley in the trunk of her car and describe her murder as overkill. 94 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,960 So she's found in her car, in the trunk of her car, parked in this hotel parking lot. 95 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,440 I did not see that coming. 96 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,640 A lot of blood was also found in the passenger side, along with a crack in the windshield 97 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,340 police believe was from a ricocheting bullet. 98 00:05:52,340 --> 00:05:57,840 Police believe she was killed in the car shortly after she had arrived in the area on Friday. 99 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:00,440 And what day did... 100 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,560 So she was found on Sunday. 101 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,760 Oh, that... 102 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:05,760 Okay. 103 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:10,360 Inside the car were Lesley's weekend bags packed with clothes and toiletries. 104 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:16,200 And Lesley had not checked into the hotel where her body was found, like in the parking 105 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,200 lot. 106 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,200 And she was in the parking lot of the hotel? 107 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,200 Yeah. 108 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,400 She had not checked into that hotel or any nearby hotels, because it's near an airport. 109 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,480 You know, there's a lot of hotels in the area, but she had not checked into any hotel. 110 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,120 To me, someone was waiting for her. 111 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:34,000 But there was blood found in a bathroom of the bus western. 112 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:42,320 So it's unclear if it's Lesley's blood, somebody else's blood, but there was blood found in 113 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,080 a bathroom in that hotel. 114 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,680 Okay. 115 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,360 But we don't have any details of whose room that is. 116 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,080 That's all very hush-hush. 117 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,960 And there's no CCTV footage because... 118 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:54,960 It's 1979. 119 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:55,960 Yeah. 120 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:56,960 Yeah. 121 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:02,840 So on Tuesday, October 16th, this is just a couple days after she's found, Lesley's 122 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:06,400 autopsy is conducted by coroner Don Stith. 123 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,560 And she's ID'd through her dental records. 124 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:14,080 So they don't know who she is, but ultimately she's ID'd through her dental records. 125 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:21,280 Her body was that... that she wasn't identifiable by someone looking at her? 126 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,280 Yeah. 127 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,940 Because again, it was overkill. 128 00:07:23,940 --> 00:07:29,960 And according to her autopsy results, and just a trigger warning here, she was shot 129 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,280 in the head six times with a 25 caliber weapon. 130 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,760 And she was also hit in the head 15 times with a blunt instrument believed to be a tire 131 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,240 iron. 132 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,720 There was no evidence of sexual assault. 133 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,680 And at this time, police have no suspects. 134 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:52,200 So about a week after the murder, I couldn't find a clear date on this, but it's the week 135 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,720 following her murder. 136 00:07:54,720 --> 00:08:00,960 Police find Lesley's wallet and part of an address book discarded on a rural road. 137 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,880 Near the items was a man's blue shirt covered in blood. 138 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:11,680 So then on October 30th, Lesley's memorial service is held at the Duncan Memorial Chapel 139 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,720 in Crestwood, Kentucky. 140 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,660 And then not a lot of news comes out. 141 00:08:17,660 --> 00:08:25,040 And in December of 1979, so a little over two months later, her company puts up a $25,000 142 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,400 reward for info leading to the arrest of her killer. 143 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,400 Her company does? 144 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:30,400 Her company does this. 145 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,760 And this is actually really interesting. 146 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:38,600 So Charles Ebert, who I had quoted earlier, he's the corporate security for Atlantic Richfield 147 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:46,640 Co., which is the parent company that owns Anaconda Aluminum, which Lesley worked for. 148 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:52,240 And Charles says the company was working on a pilot program to offer rewards when their 149 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,240 employees are killed violently. 150 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:00,200 The company has found that women who transfer from city to city were particularly vulnerable 151 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:05,160 to violent crimes, quote, having moved away from family and friends, end quote. 152 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:10,120 So this company had had several employees murdered violently. 153 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,920 I hate the way that that is worded. 154 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:12,920 I'm sorry. 155 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,120 Like women aren't vulnerable. 156 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,120 Men are abusive. 157 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,120 Yes. 158 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,680 And I know you already know that, and you don't have to keep it in there. 159 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:25,480 I'm just like, I'm feeling really angry for you right now that women are just so easily 160 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:32,640 discarded across the board and that she was in a fucking trunk. 161 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:40,560 That's disgusting that, I mean, we've talked about how men are, but that they do that shit. 162 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:46,720 So for this company, there had been a Los Angeles service operator who was murdered 163 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,960 pretty violently, and then a high level manager in Philadelphia was also murdered violently. 164 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,520 So this company just knows the people who work for us maybe might be murdered? 165 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:58,520 Yeah. 166 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,680 And so they have this pilot program to offer rewards to get information for their, specifically 167 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:07,640 just for employees of violent deaths, murders. 168 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:08,640 That's bananas. 169 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,640 Is that, that's like a real thing that existed? 170 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,540 That was a real thing that existed in 1979 for this company. 171 00:10:15,540 --> 00:10:22,560 And we actually will have, the company took out ads and newspapers, so we'll put up on 172 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:27,920 our Instagram, like a copy of the ad that was put out essentially for information for 173 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,720 her murder by her company. 174 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:36,080 So in December, again, a little over two months after her murder, Captain Donald Stamper, 175 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:41,640 who is commander of the Boone Florence felony squad, said no one was working full time on 176 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,960 the case and it was significantly slowed down since all of the info was coming out of Louisville, 177 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,200 which was about an hour and a half away. 178 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:55,320 But he had learned some important info and the skydiving show was phony. 179 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,920 No parachute show was scheduled for the time and location given to Lesley. 180 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:04,680 And there's no internet, you can't just like search that before you go. 181 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:05,680 Yeah. 182 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:11,720 But, you know, for a skydiving competition, you, even in 1979, you had to like schedule 183 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:17,240 it, you know, you had to clear the skies for people to be doing that. 184 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,160 But so that event was never happening, never took place. 185 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,760 It was phony. 186 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,060 And the private plane was also fake. 187 00:11:24,060 --> 00:11:28,680 No evidence that one was ever scheduled at the airport and no one ever came forward to 188 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:34,640 say that they were the ones that were going to be doing the flying or had access to it. 189 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,100 And apparently in this invite that Lesley had received for the skydiving competition 190 00:11:39,100 --> 00:11:45,600 from her boyfriend, it's revealed later that her boyfriend had sent her the invite, in 191 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:53,040 the invitation was also like two sets of couples that she knew. 192 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,840 And they had no idea about it apparently either. 193 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:03,440 So like she was kind of tricked into heading this way by means of like, you don't have 194 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,800 to pay for a flight, it's already paid for, we're going to do this cool thing and these 195 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,820 people you already know are coming. 196 00:12:09,820 --> 00:12:14,200 So investigators, oh, I mentioned this, that they believe she was killed shortly after 197 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,960 arriving in the area. 198 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:21,880 They also believe the motive was jealousy, quote, the boyfriend-girlfriend variety, end 199 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:22,920 quote. 200 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,420 But there's also a single report that robbery could have been a motive. 201 00:12:27,420 --> 00:12:31,520 And I wonder if this is coming because her wallet was taken from the scene and later 202 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,800 showed up discarded. 203 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,720 But the investigators seem to believe that the main motive was jealousy. 204 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,500 And in December of 1979, investigators have zeroed in on two people. 205 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:48,960 The first is a man from Louisville that had been seen near Lesley's home days before the 206 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:49,960 murder. 207 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:56,100 He had worked for Anaconda and this man was married and his wife was told that her husband 208 00:12:56,100 --> 00:12:58,640 was a suspect. 209 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:04,880 Him and Lesley were seen dining at the Celestial Restaurant in Mount Adams, which is right 210 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,780 outside of Cincinnati, Ohio. 211 00:13:06,780 --> 00:13:11,540 So they were going about an hour and a half away to go out to eat. 212 00:13:11,540 --> 00:13:13,220 So that way nobody would see them. 213 00:13:13,220 --> 00:13:19,120 So this man, he's never named by police, this man declined to take a polygraph test. 214 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:24,800 And he was also possibly connected to a Ford truck theft ring that was happening in Louisville 215 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:31,840 at this time, so like kind of an organized crime of a bunch of Ford trucks being stolen. 216 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,080 So he's a suspect, but then they also have a person of interest, which was a man who 217 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,380 had been laid off from Anaconda months before. 218 00:13:39,380 --> 00:13:45,000 So not nearly as much as the suspect, but he's a person of interest. 219 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:51,640 Police say they still have leads to investigate, such as a woman who called Anaconda and warned 220 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:57,760 that women employees sleeping with male employees, quote, will end up like that other lady, end 221 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,200 quote, which police assumed was referring to Lesley. 222 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:09,320 So January 10th, 1980, in a new year, it's only been about three months, four months 223 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,600 since Lesley has been killed. 224 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:17,480 The reward offer brought by her company, no new leads come out of this, and police remain 225 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:22,920 convinced that the crime is centered around Louisville, but no arrests have been made. 226 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:28,280 And there's no attempt to pass off the case to Louisville police in the seventies and 227 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:29,280 eighties. 228 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,680 I know we've talked about this before, but police weren't always willing to help each 229 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,640 other or do what's right by the victims. 230 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:36,640 Yes. 231 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,520 It was more about like, who found it first? 232 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,520 Yeah. 233 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:46,120 It's like, this is my case, even though I can't investigate it to the extent it needs to be, 234 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,560 because again, it's before the internet, before cell phones, you're trying to interview people, 235 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:51,560 track them down. 236 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,760 Like you really have to be in the city to do that. 237 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,280 February 23rd, 1981. 238 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,320 So this is a year plus that she has been murdered at this point. 239 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,800 The case is stagnant, but police feel sure they know who did it. 240 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,680 And Major Don Stamper, he says, quote, we feel sure we have our man, but we want solid 241 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,280 evidence before making an arrest. 242 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,840 We have a room full of circumstantial evidence, end quote. 243 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:21,680 So to me, it feels like police, since there's like no real updates, no real new evidence 244 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:27,720 between like 1980 and 1981, to me, I think the police are like, this guy did it. 245 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,420 We don't have the evidence yet. 246 00:15:30,420 --> 00:15:34,840 And it feels like they might've stopped working the case because they were like very convinced 247 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,000 it's this person. 248 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:42,120 Cause again, the next update doesn't come until November 27th of 1983. 249 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,720 So this is four plus years she's been murdered at this point. 250 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,760 Investigators say they have tried to bring charges against their main suspects, but quote, 251 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,320 the Commonwealth attorney, well, he's the one to decide and he didn't feel that there 252 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,500 was enough to try the guy on, end quote. 253 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:03,080 And again, this is Major Don Stamper. 254 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:11,640 So to me, I don't know, something about like 1983, if like the DA, the Commonwealth attorney, 255 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,640 if they're saying there's not enough evidence, there's not enough evidence. 256 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,440 They used to try people very thinly back in the day, especially before like DNA, like 257 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,480 you could really get somebody on circumstantial evidence. 258 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,640 But for like the DA to say there was not enough at this time, I'm like, okay, there probably 259 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,800 was not enough evidence. 260 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,600 And then the case really stops there. 261 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,640 It seems like the police tried to bring charges, but there wasn't enough. 262 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,680 So they were like, all right, well, this guy did it, but we can't close it yet. 263 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,040 And the next update comes in July of 2020. 264 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,760 Yeah. 265 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,360 Wow. 266 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,480 That's in the pandemic. 267 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:54,480 Yeah. 268 00:16:54,480 --> 00:17:00,520 And the reason her story comes up again is because an Eagle Scout for his Eagle Scout 269 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,760 project takes on clearing an old cemetery. 270 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:10,080 And this cemetery is known as the Poorhouse Cemetery, but its official name is the Boone 271 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,200 County Infirmary Cemetery. 272 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:19,960 So Lesley's family was not able to get her body home, cost a lot of money to transport 273 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,460 a body, especially overseas. 274 00:17:22,460 --> 00:17:26,560 So her body went unclaimed until the 90s. 275 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:32,200 And then it was buried in this Poorhouse Cemetery. 276 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:39,700 And so the Eagle Scout learns her story by clearing the cemetery and getting it all nice 277 00:17:39,700 --> 00:17:40,840 and clean. 278 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,640 And so he starts raising money for a proper headstone for Lesley after learning about 279 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,060 her story. 280 00:17:46,060 --> 00:17:47,440 Just a good young man. 281 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:48,440 Wow. 282 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:49,440 Yeah. 283 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,020 I'm really glad that that human exists. 284 00:17:54,020 --> 00:17:59,200 But this does get a lot of interest in Lesley's case going again. 285 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:06,960 And the Cincinnati Inquirer actually does, they get a lot of the case files from the 286 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,400 police and they actually reveal so much information. 287 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:17,180 So when I was researching this until I found the 2020 Cincinnati Inquirer, you didn't 288 00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:20,480 know that her boyfriend had invited her to the skydiving show. 289 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,080 You didn't know there was blood found inside of the hotel. 290 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:28,600 You didn't, like, those details were kept out of the public eye for so long. 291 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,080 Why is that? 292 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,800 Well here's my take on why some of this stuff was released. 293 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:41,680 I will also say though that you understand quite a bit more about like all of those rules. 294 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,760 Like I don't understand like gag orders. 295 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,920 I don't understand what's public record, what's not. 296 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,240 I don't understand why. 297 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,160 So thank you for always explaining it to me. 298 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:56,160 Of course. 299 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:06,440 So I think that the reason they released so much information that wasn't redacted or gave 300 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,940 so much out is because their main suspect, this guy that they've tried to bring charges 301 00:19:10,940 --> 00:19:16,560 against before in the past, he as of 2020, he had died. 302 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,000 So as of today, the main suspect is dead in the case. 303 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:28,920 So to me, it almost feels like a trial by media of saying like, by just releasing the 304 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:35,000 fact that her boyfriend invited her to this fake show, to me, I feel very suspicious of 305 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:41,640 this ex-boyfriend who was married and she gets invited to, like you said earlier, it 306 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,400 sounded like somebody was waiting for her. 307 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,920 So it's like, who would be waiting for her? 308 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,680 Maybe the boyfriend that invited her. 309 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:54,280 So I think that's why so much of the information gets released in 2020. 310 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:59,200 But in October of 2020, police revealed they are reviewing fingerprints that were recovered 311 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:05,920 from her car and also from her address book that was found on the side of the road. 312 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:11,240 But no hits, no updates as of 2020. 313 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:19,040 So if anybody has any information about what happened to Lesley Sparrow in 1979, you are 314 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:28,720 encouraged to call the Boone County Sheriff at 859-334-2175, or you can email them at 315 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:35,840 bcs at boonecountyk.com. 316 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:44,000 And the sources for today's podcast, Fox 19, The Evening Centennial, The Courier Journal, 317 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,080 and The Cincinnati Inquirer. 318 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,640 But that is the case of Lesley Sparrow. 319 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,660 And it is, again, a cold case. 320 00:20:51,660 --> 00:20:55,360 The main suspect is dead. 321 00:20:55,360 --> 00:21:01,800 But I have to think that if it is this person, somebody else knows. 322 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,960 Like he had to have said something in his life, or if there was like a jealousy, you 323 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:14,760 know, this woman calls saying that people will end up like the other lady, might be 324 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,600 more than one person. 325 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,440 No new plan. 326 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,440 I don't know. 327 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,440 I truly don't know. 328 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:29,360 But it sounds like there's like, perhaps a whole world of, I don't know, misbehavior 329 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:32,280 happening like within that company. 330 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,680 Yeah. 331 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:41,000 The company aspect of them having this pilot program, I mean, I do a lot of research into 332 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:47,280 these things, and I've seen companies offer, you know, money in the past, but never as 333 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,440 like a specific pilot program. 334 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,240 Like, it's never been described like that. 335 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,240 It's like our employee was killed and we would like some answers. 336 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,320 Here is some money that we are putting or adding to the reward fund, you know, whatever 337 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,320 it may be. 338 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:05,400 And it was the first time the company was like, actually, we have a pilot program just 339 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,400 for this. 340 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,400 We have encountered this before. 341 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,880 A pilot program for murder. 342 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:10,880 Yeah. 343 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,880 And he was... 344 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:12,880 What? 345 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,080 The guy, Charles Ebert, he was like, it's been very successful. 346 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,800 Like it's been successful in getting information for us. 347 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:25,120 And you know, it was really, in reading it, it kind of seems like it was more for employees 348 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:26,360 than for the public. 349 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:34,480 Like it was to get employees talking, which again, the main suspects and the person of 350 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:41,600 interest were both employees or former employees of Anaconda where Lesley had worked. 351 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,400 And you know, her job working... 352 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,740 Yeah, she worked in labor relations. 353 00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:52,200 So she would do like a kind of an HR position. 354 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,860 Like she would have to do some reprimanding. 355 00:22:53,860 --> 00:22:55,620 She would have to work with the union. 356 00:22:55,620 --> 00:22:56,840 She would lay people off. 357 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:04,200 So there could be misdirected anger at the company kind of pointed right at Lesley for 358 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,200 somebody. 359 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,280 You know, like somebody that's just angry they lost their job or whatever. 360 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,380 But yeah, that's the case of Lesley 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00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:45,920 Thank you so much, Al. 382 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,080 I feel like I learned a lot. 383 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:55,760 I'm eager to look up information about this and hopefully get her name back out there. 384 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,760 Yeah, definitely. 385 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,800 Yeah, that's all from us though. 386 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,400 Have a good week and stay safe, y'all. 387 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,400 Thanks, y'all. 388 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:24,360 Thank you so much, everybody.