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Yes, it's missing.
It sure is.
Is it, oh, is it like a baby?
OK, cool.
That's my threshold, apparently.
That's an odd threshold for a true crime podcast.
I know.
I never know what I'm getting into when I sit on this chair.
I just do the graphics and the tears.
The graphics and the tears.
All right.
Today we're talking about Kevin Graves.
And this takes place at the Electric Forest Music
Festival in Rothbury, Michigan.
And we are going back to July 1, 2018.
And Kevin is 28 years old in 2018.
Are you wanting me to comment on how it's from Michigan?
Yes.
OK.
I'm at Michigan.
Rothbury.
Yeah, I know a lot of people who went to that festival.
People who were probably at the one that year.
Yeah, you grew up in Michigan.
Yes.
I'm originally from Detroit, but I
went to college in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
What up, Aquinas College?
Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew.
A-Q?
I have a degree in theater.
My university doesn't even have the theater department anymore,
which is what my degree is in.
College is where dreams go to die.
Sucks to my asthma.
So a little about Kevin.
Kevin is described by his family as loving and hardworking
son and uncle.
At this time, he's living in Highland Township, Michigan.
And he's been living there for the past three years
with his girlfriend, Kayla, and her two kids.
Gary Graves, Kevin's father, says, quote,
he dropped whatever he was doing and come help me, end quote.
Kevin was known to smoke weed, but also
could have been into some harder drugs during this time.
And his father says, God knows what
he could have gotten into touch with while he was up there,
referring to the Electric Forest Music Festival.
What do you mean harder drugs, like Molly?
There was a lot.
I couldn't find anything.
When I hear hard drugs, I think of heroin and meth.
Totally, yeah.
I couldn't find exactly what it was,
but his dad said harder drugs.
So that's just what I'm repeating here.
But there hasn't been an official statement
saying that he was.
My addict brain.
I was interested right away.
Mm-hmm.
I'm a recovering alcoholic.
Very proud to be so.
And Kevin is described as six foot tall, blue eyes,
sandy blonde hair.
He's 185 pounds.
He has a United States Marine Corps
tattoo on his left shoulder, red lips on his right hip,
and an Aquarius sign on his right forearm.
And he is an Aquarius.
His birthday is January 23rd.
Red lips on his right side?
On his right hip.
Right hip.
That's a cool tattoo.
I like that.
Yeah.
That's cool.
We love a tattoo.
Red lips, though.
That's just like, that's cool.
Never would have thought of that for a tattoo.
Really?
Like a kiss mark, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of.
So June 28th through July 1st, this
is actually the second weekend of the Electric Forest Festival
and the last weekend of it.
Kevin is so excited to attend the Electric Forest.
His father says, quote, he was happy to go.
He was looking forward to it.
He'd never been to anything like that before.
And he was looking forward to seeing what it was like.
The next thing I know, he's gone, end quote.
So the Electric Forest Festival, if our listeners don't know,
it's a music festival that's held in Michigan
that draws tens of thousands of people every single year.
It started in 2008 and has been going ever since.
It's usually one weekend, but in 2017 and 2018,
the festival switched from the one weekend to two weekends.
But they'll switch back to the one weekend in 2019.
So it's only this short blip of time
where they do the two weekends.
And it's a lot of electronic dance music, jam bands
and rock bands.
And everything there is neon, glow in the dark.
If you look up pictures of the Electric Forest,
it's exactly what it sounds like.
It's a bunch of lights in the middle of this wood.
Bro, are you going to the forest this year?
If you go to the forest, I'll meet you at the forest.
Yeah.
See you in the forest.
Yeah, it's like forest fam.
It's like a whole culture.
Yeah, definitely.
Like juggalos.
Yeah, very much like that.
They're different, more like fireflies, I guess.
Firefly juggalos.
The Electric Forest reminds me of just a bunch of fireflies
in the forest, because that's what the people look like
in the pictures.
Yeah.
That's what it reminded me of as well, actually.
On Wednesday, June 27, 2018, so this
is the day before all the bands officially start playing,
Kevin, his girlfriend Kayla, and two other friends
arrived to the Double JJ Resort.
This is an outdoor camping recreation center.
It's about 2,000 acres overall.
It's really big.
And this is where the festival is
held every year, or most recent years.
They arrived to camp for the last weekend
of the Electric Forest.
And by all accounts, the weekend was good.
And they were having a lot of fun.
Though Kayla does maintain that Kevin was acting strange,
like kind of off.
No specifics as to like what, but he was just
kind of acting strange.
So Sunday, July 1, 2018.
This is the last day of the festival.
Kevin sends two texts around 2 PM.
One is to his sister, where he says, everything is good.
I love you the most.
And then one to his dad, saying that he was going to pay him
back for a small loan.
And then sometime later, the hours are unclear.
Kevin and Kayla get into an argument.
By all reports, it seems like Kevin
accuses Kayla of cheating with their friend who
was at the festival as well, of this mutual friend that
had come.
Gary Graves, Kevin's father, said,
it was just a stupid argument.
He was jealous or something.
Somebody was talking to her or something.
Boyfriend, girlfriend stuff, end quote.
So Kevin walks away and says he's
going to lay down at their tent.
And Kayla and I believe the friends
are with Kayla at this time.
They continue to attend the festival and the music
and all that.
After he walks away, he stops by an ATM
and withdraws $200 from a joint checking account
he shares with Kayla.
And there are no bank transactions after this
withdraw.
OK.
I got just like an ATM at the festival?
Yeah.
There's like a lot of vendors there.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I was just like, wait, how did?
For a second, I was like, is it in a little tree?
A little glow in the dark tree?
Yeah, you know, they rolled out those electrical cords.
They're like, welcome to the fam, but we want to make money.
So there is one report that after this fight,
Kevin was high on drugs and was in the first aid tent
for a while before he was kicked out of the tent.
This isn't repeated a lot, so I don't
know if this has been confirmed.
But this is a report.
And then another festival goer and camper
says she saw Kevin crying at his tent,
and she was going to invite him over but didn't.
And this is something that she says
she comes to regret that she didn't invite him over
in light of him going missing.
So some time later, when Kayla returns to the tent,
Kevin's not there, but all of his personal items
were left behind, including his cell phone and his car
is at the festival as well.
Kevin's father says, quote, Kayla said there was something.
He just wasn't acting himself, and he just went off.
So she don't know what he did.
She has no idea, end quote.
Kayla and friends say that they look for Kevin for hours.
And this is a quote from Kayla.
Quote, we walked around the rest of the day and night
looking for him, end quote.
So July 2, Kevin's officially reported missing to police.
And his family immediately begins to arrive in the area,
and they begin checking homeless shelters, hospitals, streets,
and beaches looking for Kevin.
A few days pass, July 5.
And this is something that I found strange.
So this is from the Detroit Free Press.
And this is Kayla, Kevin's girlfriend, talking.
And she mentions that calls and messages
are not going through to his phone,
but his phone was left at the campsite.
So it's like, wouldn't you know that none of them
were going through because he doesn't have his phone on him?
Yeah.
But it specifically says that she
says this, that calls and messages aren't
going through to his phone.
So I don't know if they found the phone a few days later.
But by all accounts, it was left in the tent
with his personal belongings.
So I would think Kayla would know by this point
that he didn't have his phone on him.
And she also says, quote, this is not who he is.
He would not do this.
He would reach out to somebody, even if it isn't me.
I really feel something is extremely wrong, end quote.
So it's very strange.
And this is something that's repeated again and again,
that it's very strange that he would not contact somebody.
He talks to his mom every single day
and texts with his sister very frequently.
So it's very strange, no contact.
Tim Graves, this is Kevin's brother.
He arrived with the family to help search.
And he began scouring the Muskegon area
because a few witnesses reported that they saw Kevin.
Oh, OK.
But they had reported seeing him, quote,
in rough areas of the Muskegon area.
But I mean, as far as to go off like this
and be gone for four days is totally out of character
for him, end quote.
It's odd for anybody to do.
Yeah.
Really, if you're going to a festival for a weekend,
why would you leave it?
Yeah.
It's odd.
It is immediately odd.
Immediately odd.
Immediately.
It's like going on vacation and then leaving the vacation
and not telling a single soul where you went.
And leaving all your things.
Yeah, that's fucking odd.
Are you about to tell me that someone bungled this?
Oh, well, we'll get into this.
I'm ready to be mad, Al.
And this is, again, Gary.
Quote, it's heartbreaking.
I'm just tore up.
He's my baby.
I just want him to come home.
That's all I want.
I know his mother does, too.
She's worried sick.
If there's something anybody can do, we'd appreciate it,
end quote.
OK.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
That sounded like I was sobbing and laughing at the fact
that I'm crying.
I knew that quote would make you cry.
He's my baby.
Yeah.
It's also revealed during this time
that Kevin does have depression.
And he had gone off his medication
in the past few months for it.
This is just going to keep getting worse.
I can feel it.
So sometime during the week of July 15 through the 21st,
police searched Double JJ property with canines,
but they don't find anything.
On Monday, July 23, the Shiawassee Search and Rescue
Group conduct a search for Kevin at Double JJ Resort.
So Shiawassee Search and Rescue, these
are retired law enforcement guys who get together
and will help search for people in Michigan specifically.
They're like Michigan retired law enforcement.
They conduct this private search.
It's just the search and rescue team and family.
But again, Double JJ Resort is huge.
It's 2,000 acres.
About 20% of it is just deep woods.
Only thing found during this search
is a cell phone that was not Kevin's.
And the group says that they're really slowed down
because they don't have topographical maps.
What does that topographical mean?
Topographical maps are maps that show you elevation of surfaces.
So you can see hills and valleys better on maps.
I've seen those maps before.
And I really like the ones.
I've seen them of woodcuts in a picture frame.
And it shows, but they're little lakes.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, they'll do topographs of the lakes.
Yeah, I like those.
Yeah.
They look like little shelves.
Yeah, they can make 3D models like that,
where they look like little shelves.
But the search team says they're slowed down
because they don't have that.
So they don't know where it's hilly and where it's flat,
making it a little harder to search.
Thank you for the lesson.
Appreciate it.
But during that week, July 23 through the 28,
they start recruiting volunteers for a large search that's
done that Saturday, July 28.
And this is with volunteers, friends, family, and Shiawasi
Search and Rescue.
They also search a lake called the Lucky Lake that's
on the grounds there.
And at this point on July 28, the Shiawasi Search and Rescue,
they begin calling it a recovery mission,
as opposed to a search and rescue.
What does that mean?
So a recovery mission says that they're
looking for a body and not somebody alive.
The next week, another search is done with volunteers.
And again, nothing is reported to have turned up
during these searches.
OK.
Where did he go?
What?
Yeah, just without a trace.
August 2018, so this is about a month.
He disappears July 1.
Around this time, Kayla will cut off all contact
with the family.
That's weird.
Yeah.
And police do say that her story has never
changed about what has happened in the years that have followed.
Her story has never changed.
So I do want to include that there.
But I agree that it is strange.
But it does seem that Kevin's family,
and I'll talk a little bit more about this later,
but they do think that she is maybe withholding information.
And if she isn't, and they're suspicious of her,
I could understand why she would want to cut off contact.
But again, it's pretty quick to cut it off.
It's only a month he's been gone.
But I also could, and again, maybe I'll
learn as you continue in this episode,
I'm just thinking to myself, if she had become the point person
for this missing person, and she is 25 years old,
and I don't know a lot about her, but she has two kids too.
So I would imagine she's just like, I need
to just be with my family right now, or I don't know.
Yeah, and to her kids.
So maybe it isn't weird.
That's what I'm saying.
Anything can be suspicious.
Yeah, to echo what you've said before,
is like, any time there's a magnifying glass over you,
every movie mate could look suspicious.
Everyone's watching you.
Yeah, so I do want to say that it does seem suspicious
that she stops talking to the family,
but police say her story has never changed.
So September of 2018, going on two months
that he's been gone, psychics begin
to reach out to the family saying
they're having visions.
None of those really pan out.
September 15 through the 16, the Shiawasi search and rescue
team and the family, they search some dead end
roads and a swamp within the Double JJ resort,
but again, no signs.
And family at this point feel confident that Kevin is not
at the campsite any longer.
OK.
Not a trace?
As far as it's reported, nothing is found of him.
No signs of him.
So around October of 2018, there's this weird development
in the case that should be mentioned,
because it is mentioned a lot when talking about Kevin.
So Kevin's sister Kelly receives around 100 messages
over several weeks that her brother joined
a fundamentalist Christian group called the Twelve Tribes.
The Twelve Tribes is a communal farming community,
and they're all over the world, where
everyone works on the farm.
Nobody has any outside jobs, and any money that is made
is used for the farm as a whole.
So I went on their website, and their FAQ section,
they specifically say they are not a cult.
If you have to say it.
Yeah.
If you have to say it.
Oh.
But anybody can come to the farm and visit.
Anybody can go to any of these farms.
And if you want to join, all you have to do
is just go there and live.
And they do, like they have children,
but they're all taught on the communes, in the farm.
So it's very cult-like.
The Twelve Tribes, they also use as a recruitment tool
these two buses called the Peacemaker 1
and the Peacemaker 2.
And they specifically go to festivals or concerts
like the Grateful Dead, FISH, those kind of vibes.
They believe that people at these concerts
are in a place where they want to receive the message of God.
They're in a spiritual headspace?
Yeah, it's a fundamentalist Christian group.
Yeah, but people who are at the festival
are probably at least energetically inclined.
Yeah, these people are like seekers.
They would be maybe somebody who would grab onto communal living.
Someone who would be susceptible to falling
into manipulation of a cult?
Yes.
So they have these buses at festivals
where they invite people on.
Peacemaker 1, they're purple.
If you are a festival-goer, watch out.
Oh, so we're immediately shitting on these people already?
I'm immediately shitting on them.
I read their FAQs.
It does not seem great to live there.
Yeah.
Understood.
Yes.
I'm nervous.
Yeah, the 12 tribes, I would not go live there.
Kevin's sister, Kelly, she finds this 1-800 number on their website
and calls and is like, is my brother there?
So this guy named Tim calls around.
Tim.
No last name, just Tim.
So Tim calls around to these other farms.
And there's a lot of them all over the world.
So he does this pretty quickly and says, no, he's not here.
None of them know him.
But it does turn out that the 12 tribes, their bus,
their little recruiter bus, was not at the festival that year.
So the family does not think that this is a lead any longer,
that they found out that the buses weren't even being used that summer.
They were out of commission or something like that.
So Sergeant David Bach from the Oakland County Sheriff's Office,
he says, quote, I have no evidence to support in any way
that anything nefarious happened to him.
My feeling is he walked away from there.
His goal was to be part of the lore of the festival of people who disappeared,
end quote.
There's a little bit to unpack here.
He says there's no evidence that anything nefarious happened.
And then he immediately shifts to his feelings of what he thinks happened
again with no evidence.
Who is it again?
Sergeant David Bach.
Oh, Jesus.
He's like, everybody, listen up.
This is the deal.
It's lore.
It's folklore.
Yeah, he's basically saying that Kevin wanted to be part of the folklore.
So he disappeared.
Is that a culture?
OK, so I looked into this.
I was like, is there a history of people disappearing
in the electric forest at the Electric Forest Festival?
And no, there's not.
There's been a couple of times where people couldn't
be found after the festival, but they always showed up hitchhiking somewhere.
So in 2018, actually, there was another young man
who was reported missing at the end of the festival.
And he showed up a week later hitchhiking.
So everybody else that has ever quote unquote disappeared
from the electric forest has shown up except for Kevin.
And then Bach also says that Kevin had discussed his intentions
prior to leaving for the festival.
Quote, what money he had, he drained pretty much all of his banks, end quote.
And I think this is referring to the $200 he withdrew from the ATM.
But nobody else, at least it's reported, is saying that Kevin wanted to disappear.
And this was going to be his goal.
And again, his family says it's very strange that he would not reach out to them.
And at this point, this is all in 2018.
We're in the year of 2022.
He's still missing.
And there has still been no signs of him.
So it's pretty hard to disappear like that.
So January of 2019, the family begins calling Kayla his ex-girlfriend.
So this is like a change in the way that the family is speaking about her.
In March of 2019, police say that Kayla willingly submitted to a polygraph test
and passes.
Yeah, polygraphs are inadmissible.
Yeah, they just tell you if you're stressed out during questioning.
They're just an investigation tool, but they don't actually determine if you're
lying or not.
So June 28 of 2019, this is coming up on a year of him missing.
The Electric Forest Festival returns.
And Kevin's family begin this tradition of going to the festival
and passing out flyers.
In 2019, the family still believe that Kevin's alive,
despite having no contact with him.
And Gary Graves says, quote, I know my son's a survivor.
I just can't believe anybody could overtake him.
He's a very strong guy.
He's tall and lanky, but he's strong as a bull.
I've seen him in action.
I know how he is.
He's not a weakling, end quote.
And then Kevin's mom, she had been kind of.
Was he in the Marines?
So Kevin actually did not serve in the Marines.
His dad served in the Marines.
So he got the tattoo in honor of his dad.
Gotcha.
But it was actually kind of funny.
In an article I was reading with his dad, his dad was like,
I told him not to get it.
He didn't deserve to wear that tattoo.
But he was 16 or 17 and just wanted to get something.
Oh, OK.
So yeah, not a Marine, but his dad was.
And then Kevin's mom, she has been kind of quiet in the media
up until around the one year mark.
But she says, quote, we have good days and we have bad days.
And as a mother, I don't know what to do.
I just want to know he's OK.
I just want a hug from him, end quote.
You OK?
Yeah, it's just like when someone you love,
when something is wrong with someone you love,
like what you usually want and need from people
is much more transactional when they're doing well, you know?
And then when it's not going well,
you just want the simplest thing from that person.
And what's really interesting to me about human beings
is you want the simplest things when they're the furthest away.
June 30, 2019, the Shiawassee Search and Rescue,
they search Whitehall, Michigan, after three eyewitnesses
claim they saw Kevin.
And then this is a member of the Shiawassee Search and Rescue
talking here.
They say, quote, the only conclusion I can come to
is that Kevin Graves is alive and does not
wish to be discovered at this time, end quote.
Again, no real evidence, except some eyewitnesses
saying that they think they saw him in Whitehall.
In February of 2020, so heading into the pandemic
at this point, February of 2020, the family
continues to run down leads.
And they check homeless camps in search of Kevin,
but never see any signs of him.
So June of 2020 and 2021, the electric forest
is canceled due to COVID.
So no festival happens for those two years.
In September of 2020, the family searched Double JJ again,
but nothing turns up.
You don't have to say Double JJ.
You can just say Double J.
Well, it's always written Double JJ.
And when I went on the website, it says Double JJ.
Yeah, I think people call it, from what I remember,
it's like JJ's ranch or the Double J.
The Double J.
It's like those two, but it's never.
Double JJ.
Because then that's quad.
That's quad.
Well, that's what I thought.
I thought that was funny.
Double JJ.
It's like you already have JJ.
The times two.
Yeah, I'm like, are there two JJ's in the family?
Are there four J?
What's happening?
So November of 2020, the family posts on Facebook.
They have a very active Facebook page called
Help Us Find Kevin Graves.
You can search it and follow it.
It's all there.
But the family posts an update that Kayla
continues to block the family and has not
provided any of her phone records.
So at a time, there was a request for Kayla
to give her phone records to try to track where Kevin was
or just to see what was happening, I guess.
But the family requested this.
The police didn't.
The police have never treated this
like a criminal investigation, I should say that.
It's only ever been a missing person case.
And again, it's not illegal for an adult
to go missing.
That's not a crime.
So there is no warrant or forcefulness
to get these phone records from Kayla.
Kayla does not.
I think you would want to clear your name, though.
Maybe she's got something else going on
that she doesn't want the cops to find out about.
Maybe, yeah.
Because that makes sense to me.
It doesn't immediately ring guilty to me.
It rings like, oh, maybe she's like,
what if she's selling weed or something?
I don't know.
Yeah.
Something that you don't want cops to know.
Or just people like their privacy.
I can not necessarily devil's advocate,
but I can see that there's lots of possibilities.
It's very gray around the ex-girlfriend.
It's very gray.
And the family says, quote, as a family,
we are certain she knows much more than she ever let on.
But we have no way of proving that, end quote.
So again, people have a lot of feelings in this case,
but there's not a lot of facts.
People have a lot of feelings, which I get.
Somebody is missing.
But we just don't have anything.
We don't know where he is.
There's no sign of him.
So June 24 of 2022, the Electric Forest returns.
The festival returns.
Same place.
Sherwood Forest of Double JJ.
JJ Ranch.
Triple.
Triple J.
The Double J. The family heads to the festival
to hand out missing person flyers again.
So this would be their second time doing it officially
since he's gone missing.
But the Electric Forest will ask them to leave because they
don't want bad PR.
So they get kicked off at the festival grounds.
What fucking chumps?
Chump stuff.
That's chump stuff, man.
That ain't right.
That's just mean.
Yeah, it's mean.
I'm like, and it's.
You're not going to use your power and publicity to, again,
try to help find this person that's still missing,
that's missing, who is technically
in part under your care a little bit.
Like, I know you.
I know when you're running a campground or whatever,
it's not your fault. But that's going
to look bad for you forever either way.
Yeah, and from everything that I could find,
I was looking at the Electric Forest Reddit and stuff.
And people were talking about seeing the family there.
And I got a poster.
And the family wasn't doing it.
They were just like.
They were grabbing people by their shirts like,
you should leave.
They were like, we are sad.
Passing out posters and it's like,
if you were here in 2018, please look at your pictures.
So as of 2022, Kevin's mom still believe that he's alive.
She still hangs on to this belief.
Kevin's dad, however, says, quote, myself,
I feel he's somewhere out there in that forest, somewhere.
I think he's buried, end quote.
Damn.
Yeah.
But that's truly all the information we have on Kevin.
And it's really not a lot.
How do you feel?
So I have a couple of thoughts on this.
I think, and again, there's no evidence of this.
There's no evidence of this.
Again, feelings.
Again, this is just a feeling that I have.
Like, you know, with him withdrawing $200,
I'm like, maybe he went to go buy some drugs.
Got in a fight, wants to take an edge off,
goes to buy some drugs.
And that seems pretty typical at this festival.
There's a lot of drugs happening.
I just wonder if when he's pulling out this money,
if he were to get drugs, like if they were to go bad
or if he were to do too much at somebody's campsite,
there's a freak out.
And they just stump his body or something.
Yeah.
And interestingly, on the family's Facebook page,
one of the first posts is a news story
that's just about all the trash that's left at the campsite.
And it's just like not a bulldozer,
but like a scoop truck, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like maybe like a bulldozer.
Like a dump truck?
Not a dump truck, exactly.
But it's like a construction scooper guy.
Kind of looks like a whatever.
But it's just like a construction vehicle picking up
tons of garbage and throwing it away.
So it's like, this isn't being done by hand.
Like, who knows what could be in those things?
Or if there was a body in there.
Yeah.
Is that what you were saying?
That's kind of what I'm implying is that.
Oh, god.
You let me come to that.
Oh, my own conclusion.
I wish you would have said something sooner.
Because I just think that the family searched.
They had the search and rescue.
So like if he was buried, I would imagine
that they would have instructed to be on the lookout.
And searchers would be like, hey, there's
this disturbed dirt over here that's a little suspicious.
I will also say, as someone who has an anxiety disorder
and a depressive disorder, and being on and off medication
in my lifetime, when I wasn't taking medication
for what I just said, and would partake in marijuana usage,
I really wasn't myself when I was doing that.
I was much more angry, panicked.
It will bring out, it will exacerbate some behaviors that
are quite frankly, very unsafe to experience.
Does that make sense?
So even if he had had a little bit of something,
was off his meds, had just gotten in a fight,
that's the perfect storm to create someone who is no longer
themselves for a moment in time.
Yeah.
And that's also, I imagine you're camping out.
You're probably not sleeping that great at this festival.
So you're probably exhausted.
You're probably a little dehydrated at best.
After a four day music festival, exhaustion and dehydration
are probably pretty common.
But those can really fuck with you,
and fuck with you mentally.
And just like those two things without each individual unique
person and how it would affect them.
Their chemistry is.
Yeah.
Just dehydration and hunger and tiredness alone.
We've seen what it has done to us,
a few hours at a mall and we're too hungry and we're like, ah.
Yes.
And then you possibly mix in drugs with that.
Your body can react horrible.
And so there doesn't seem to be any evidence
that Kevin hurt himself.
They weren't able to find that.
There are a couple of thoughts that he disappeared willingly
and is living off the grid.
But again, that is so unlike him and so out of norm
for him not to be communicating with his family like that.
Especially after four years of him missing.
To not have a single sign, a single text,
and the throws of COVID to not reach out to your family.
Not impossible.
He could be alive and out there living off the grid
and just hurting his family in this way.
Yeah, not impossible.
Not impossible.
I also think it possible that he took something
that didn't react well with his body
and instead of people calling 911,
there was a panic and just a want to get rid of it.
Which I think could have happened at that festival,
especially after seeing all those bags of trash
and just how they were scooped up.
And not that you would be checking that,
but if you were doing it by hands,
somebody throwing garbage into a big dumpster.
You're going to notice an arm hanging out somewhere.
Yeah, or you're going to notice one that's super heavy.
Yeah, they said it was 185 pounds and six feet tall.
Yeah, that's a big person.
But if everything's getting scooped up,
it could have been missed.
Which is horrible.
I know, that sounds baby.
Yeah, and I really don't love speculating
on what could have happened to missing people.
I think it's a natural inclination
to want to fill in the blanks, though.
Yeah, and this is just how my mind filled them in.
I hope he is alive out there.
If you know anything about Kevin Graves, what happened to him,
his whereabouts today, or if you think you see him,
we're going to post lots of pictures of him on our Instagram
page.
The family asks, if you think you see him out and about,
to try to take a picture on your phone of him
and send it to the Facebook group, Help Find Kevin Graves.
You can search that on Facebook, and it'll pop right up.
And this just helps the family very quickly eliminate
if it is Kevin or not.
And it's 2022.
We all have a camera in our pocket.
If you know anything, maybe you were at the electric force
that year, or perhaps have lived in off-grid communities.
And have come across Kevin, you are
encouraged to call the Oakland police who
are handling this case at 248-848-4950.
Oakland?
That's over by Detroit.
Is that where he's from?
That's where he lived.
So that is officially understood.
It used to be the state police and Oakland working together,
but it has officially just passed off to Oakland.
I think in 2022, I can find an exact date that this was done.
So there has been a little bit of,
you need to handle this case.
No, you need to handle this case.
No, you handle this case.
So that also doesn't help whenever it's
passing from agency to agency, and nobody's
really digging into it.
The sources for today come from WZZM13, MLive.com,
the Detroit Free Press, Fox 17.
Also known as The Freep.
Is it The Freep?
WXYZDetroit, and DancingAstronaut.com.
That's it.
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