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Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.
My name is Ali McLaughlin and I am your host.
I am so sad to report this week that my beautiful husband, the love of my life, the incredible
Eli Sulkowski is not with us.
He is very busy this weekend.
He is actually shooting a movie, which is incredible, that he wrote and that he's starring
in, which is so cool.
And it's, it's, I'm so proud of him and I'm so, it's so amazing to watch your partner
like think of something, like have this idea in their head and then to see them like go
through every single step to make it a reality.
And then like here he is shooting the movie that he wrote during the pandemic.
Like I am so proud of him and I'm his biggest fan and I'm so sad that he's not here, but
I'm so happy that he's, you know, doing his thing and like making his dreams come true,
our dreams come true.
I'm a proud wife.
Can you tell?
So anyway, it's just me.
It's just me this week.
So because of that, I decided to bring you a case.
We're still on our cold missing, cold missing kick.
So this is, I don't know if it's technically a cold case, but it's, it's an unsolved case
and it is more popular, which is a little bit different.
But again, because my husband is in here, I didn't want to do a case that I did a lot
of research for where I normally want him here.
So I decided to do this case that I've been following since the day that it happened.
Some of you may be familiar with it.
I hope I bring a perspective that is maybe a little bit interesting.
If you have heard of it, we are going to be talking about the currently unsolved murders
of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.
And these took place in Delphi, Indiana on February 13th, 2017.
First to give you guys a little bit about the girls.
So Abigail, she went by Abby Williams.
She is said by family and friends to have been just so sweet and so kind and thoughtful.
She was shy around, you know, maybe people she didn't know, but like around friends.
She was a lot more lively and she loved crafting.
It said that she had like a closet full of crafts and was always trying something new.
She was super athletic.
And she was part of the volleyball team, the softball team, just like an all around kind,
sweet girl.
She was in middle school when these crimes took place.
And Liberty German, she went by Libby, described as being a very gentle soul and laid back
but also a defender.
Like it would take a lot to make her mad, but if you got her mad, she was going to let
you know about it.
So she would not tolerate any kind of bullying.
And Libby is also very athletic.
So she would play softball and then she would jump into soccer and then she would jump into
volleyball and then she would jump into swimming.
And by the time all of that wrapped up, it was like time to do it all over.
So softball, soccer, volleyball, swimming.
And like I mentioned, Abby was also a part of a lot of these teams with her.
So both of these girls were super athletic, super involved in their schools.
All of their teachers had nothing but kind things to say to them and will still stop
the parents and grandparents of these girls to just tell them how wonderful they were.
And I believe the girls' pictures are still up in the middle school.
Like they were very loved by that community and still are to this day.
The community still really is protective of the girls.
So this is maybe where I can add maybe a unique perspective to the case.
I actually used to live very close to Delphi, so not in Delphi, Indiana proper, but I lived
in the town next door, which was called Brookston.
But I found myself in Delphi all the time because they had the CVS and a Dairy Queen
and Pizza Hut.
So these were like lovely amenities.
The town that I was living in, Brookston, they had a gas station, like a couple little
stores here and there, but it was a one stoplight town.
So surprisingly, Delphi was the biggest, but this is still like such a rural community.
It's still such a tiny town, even though to me it had these like, you know, amenities
of convenience, even though it was still like a full 25 minute drive, half hour drive to
get there and back.
So it was like a full hour excursion to like go pick up something quickly.
But so that's, you know, that's living in the country and a lot of folks who live in
rural areas know what that's like.
So this is very much the community that Delphi's in and where these crimes specifically take
place at, it's called the Monon High Bridge, but I've only ever heard of it as High Bridge
when I lived there.
So you'll hear me referring to it as High Bridge throughout the podcast today.
But I've been there with my friend to take pictures, which is exactly what like Abby
and Libby were doing that day.
I went there with my friend Carol Anne.
Shout out to Carol Anne if you're listening.
And we did exactly what these girls were doing, which was like taking pictures and like hanging
out with each other.
So it is completely normal and expected for like kids to go there.
So like maybe to somebody listening that's not from this area, it seems like weird that
you would like let your kids, your middle schoolers go to this trail, specifically this
kind of abandoned bridge, which I will talk more about in a minute.
But it's not.
It was so busy.
Every time that I was there, I saw like somebody else there outside of who I was.
Like it was a very common place to be.
And you know, in these small towns with not a lot to do, there's not a movie theater anywhere
close by.
You know, there's not a lot of amenities as far as like for teenagers to hang out.
Like this was the place to be.
And like, I totally get it.
I totally understand it.
So but let's get into some of the details of the case before I just inundate you guys
with stories of my youth.
So Monday, February 13th, 2017.
It's a Monday in February.
So you're probably thinking these girls should be in school, right?
They actually had a built in snow day.
So what that means if you're not from an area that gets a lot of snow, sometimes the schools
will build in these snow days.
So if they had to take a snow day, say in January, which is kind of typical, then they
don't have to like add that day on in the summer.
They would just like take away this day and they would just like go to school as normal.
But this year in the year of 2017, it's actually a pretty mild winter as far as Indiana is
concerned.
So they don't have school on this Monday.
They have that built in snow day off.
So Abby has stayed the night at Libby's house and they stayed up late the night before on
Sunday night.
And according to Libby's grandma, Becky and Mike are her grandparents and she lives with
them and they have full custody of her.
So you'll hear me refer to Mike and Becky a lot.
But according to Becky, the girls were like working on this craft project because again,
they both were so crafty and they were in the middle of painting this chocolate side,
which like is such slumber party vibes.
Like it's just like perfect that Monday.
Since the girls had been up late the night before they slept until around 10 on that
Monday.
And when they woke up, Libby's dad, Derek is there and he makes the girls pancakes for
breakfast and the girls, Libby like wanted to go do something.
You know, she's a teenage girl.
She's a middle schooler.
Like wants to go hang out, do something, but everyone had work that day because again,
it's Monday.
So her sister Kelsey, her grandmother and her dad all have work.
So the girls end up going to Becky's work and she tells them like, Hey, if you come
over, I've got some filing that I need done.
So if you do the filing, I'll pay you.
And then maybe later today we can go shopping when I get off of work.
So there's this kind of plan for the day, um, initially laid out in the morning.
So the girls head over to Becky's work and they're doing their filing and around one
o'clock Kelsey German, this is Libby's sister.
She stops by because she's heading into work later.
And so she's going to hang with a friend at a friend's house and then go into work later
that evening.
Cause she has to be at work at four, I believe.
And Libby asks her when she swings by if she will drive her and Abby to the high bridge
to the trail to hang out.
And Kelsey says it's fine.
She doesn't have an issue with it.
And so they ask her grandmother, Becky, and Becky says it's fine, but you need to find
a ride home and make sure that it's okay with Abby's mom.
Totally normal, totally cool.
So Libby arranges for her dad to pick her up cause he's out doing some work and he'll
he'll be coming back through in about an hour and a half.
So it's just perfect.
So the girls leave the office, Kelsey, Abby, and Libby, and they head to the bridge.
And between 1.35, 1.38, right in there, the girls are dropped off by Kelsey and she watches
them walk onto the trail.
So there's like a little parking lot at the beginning of like this trailhead and it's
surrounded by like a wooded area.
And so she watches the girls walk into the trail and then it kind of bends slightly.
So then you're out of sight at the parking lot.
And this is all confirmed by cell phone records because Kelsey gets a call right as she's
dropping the girls off and as she's leaving.
So we have like a clear time of what time the girls were at the bridge.
And so then Libby, she started doing like what teens do.
And so after they're dropped off, Libby starts doing like a little teen thing and gets on
Snapchat and she posts a picture first of the bridge.
And you've been hearing me refer to it as high bridge.
So just a little background about this trail area, just so you can kind of get it in your
head as we talk about it, because this is where a lot of this takes place.
So you get dropped off and then you walk a little bit through the woods.
And this is how I remember it.
And this is also kind of confirmed by the details in the case.
But at one point the trail kind of forks.
And so there's an option to go towards the creek.
It's called Deer Creek that runs right there.
So that way you can get close and people do fishing and stuff down there.
Or you can take the other way in the fork, which leads to the high bridge.
Now the high bridge is an abandoned railroad track that goes over Deer Creek.
And I'm not completely sure about how high it is above Deer Creek, but it feels like
at least 30 feet from my memory.
And I'm not somebody who is scared of heights or woozy.
Like I kind of like being up high.
I like that feeling in my tummy and you know, I've done zip lines and like, I love it.
I am not somebody who is scared of heights.
But as I was like taking my first steps on to this abandoned railroad track that goes
over this creek, I felt wobbly and a little woozy in my knees.
So please imagine a railroad track going over a creek, right?
Like kind of that bridge scenario.
But at that time in 2017 and you know, when I visited there, there was nothing that could
really stop you from going over the side.
So there was no rails at all.
It was literally a train track that you walked across.
Like that was it.
And there was nothing underneath either.
So like when you think about a train track, those spaces between like each plank of wood,
those were all there and there was nothing underneath.
So like if your leg was small enough and like, you know, it would actually have to be pretty
large to like not go through.
But like if you weren't watching your step while you were up there, your leg could easily
like go through these tracks.
Like it when I first went there, I was like, this is completely bizarre that there's not
even a handrail to like stop you from going over the edge.
But like I have pictures with my friend of us like sitting on the edge and like laying
like the girls are there and they post a picture of the train tracks.
Libby posts it and we'll be posting, you know, all of these to Instagram as well.
So that way you can get these mental images if you're not familiar with them.
So she posted an image and it appears that she's on the side of the bridge that's closest
to the park, the parking lot.
So once you cross over this bridge, it's kind of interesting in how the trail from my memory
and I believe at this time, so it would curve as you were like walking across it, it would
curve but then it wouldn't like loop in any way.
So like once you got across the bridge to get back to the parking lot, your only other
option was to go back across that bridge again from what I remember in my understanding that
that was really your only option.
There wasn't like a big loop being around.
It was like you cross the bridge, you could walk a little bit farther, but then you would
have to come back over that bridge again.
And at 2 0 7, Libby posts a picture of Abby walking on the train tracks to Snapchat.
That happens at 2 0 7 and this is the last communication that we really have from the
girls is this Snapchat that's uploaded to her story or whatever it's called over there.
So that happens at 2 0 7, roughly 30 minutes after they're dropped off, which makes sense
because it takes a little bit of time to get over to the woods.
At 3 11, Derek, Libby's dad, calls Libby as he's driving to the trailhead to the parking
lot to pick up the girls to say like, hey, start walking back because like I just said,
it takes a few minutes to get to the parking lot from the bridge.
So he calls Libby.
She doesn't pick up.
Not really worried at this time.
I don't know what the cell service was like in 2017, but when I was there, this was 2010,
2011 right in there.
When I was there, the cell service was very spotty and it was like you could have it in
one spot and then be dead for a while.
So you know, I wouldn't immediately be concerned if maybe somebody didn't pick up their phone
while they were on this trail because I think I would think there were like cell phone dead
spots along the way.
At 3 14, Derek calls again because at this point he's at the parking lot and he says
he calls her as he's getting out of his truck and he starts walking towards the trail and
kind of looks around and he doesn't get any response from her.
So he begins to start walking the trail and as he's walking the trail, you know, he's
keeping an eye out for the girls.
He comes up to that fork and he says that he sees an older gentleman that's out walking
there because again, this was a very unseasonably warm day for February and this is a very popular
spot.
Anytime that I went to High Bridge personally, I always saw somebody else there no matter
what time it was like there was always seemed to be somebody else there.
So Derek runs into this gentleman and he asked if he's seen, you know, the girls on the trail
and he says that he hadn't but there was a couple that was, you know, down by the creek
underneath the bridge, which are those train tracks when I refer to the bridge, it's the
train track.
So based off of this information, Derek takes the path towards the creek to go see if the
girls are down there.
At 3.30, Derek calls Becky, which is Libby's grandmother and says that he can't get a hold
of the girls.
So he's pretty quick to call.
This is only 15 minutes, you know, after they're kind of roughly agreed upon time that they
were going to be picked up.
So Becky starts calling Libby's cell phone to try to get a hold of her and is not getting
any response either.
At four o'clock, so this is coming up close to an hour, Mike, which is Libby's grandfather,
is called and he is at work at this time.
So he leaves work and starts heading for this trail.
And Becky at this time as well is also leaving work and she goes home and she meets another
family member at home.
And so they decide as they're driving over to the trail, they're going to take the two
ways that the girls could possibly have walked home.
So there's only like two roads that they could have taken out of these trails to come home,
even though this was not the agreed upon plan, but just to cover all their bases.
So the family member goes one way, Becky goes another, and everyone's heading towards the
bridge.
So Mike, he's left work.
He gets there around 5.15.
And at this point, family members have shown up, just some friends have shown up because
they've been calling people to see if they've heard from the girls.
And Becky says it's going to get dark soon.
So they decide that they are going to go ahead and call the cops.
And that's at 5.20.
So that's roughly two hours after the girls went missing.
The police are called and within 10 minutes, they are within route to the bridge area,
to the trail to begin looking for the girls.
So family and friends are already in the trails looking for the girls.
They're all calling their cell phones.
Becky's on the phone with AT&T to ask them if they're able to trace Libby's cell phone
at all.
Because this is the thing that started to worry them because Libby always had her cell
phone in her hand.
So at this point, with so many people calling, there should be no reason that she's not picking
up.
She's not answering.
So AT&T is giving Becky the run around while she's walking.
She says she doesn't really remember a lot of her walking because she just remembers
this phone call.
But they basically tell her that they can't help her.
They can't trace the phone.
They can't do that.
But what she can do is like get Libby's phone and download, find my iPhone on it, and then
she can do it.
And she's like, are you not listening to me?
Like, no, I don't have her phone.
I don't have her.
I need you to help me.
But AT&T was not helpful for that.
As the police are called, Becky, this AT&T phone call, I believe, happens before the
police are called.
But as the police are called, Becky is like, I need to find Anna, which is Abby's mom.
She had been trying to get a hold of Anna since the girls weren't answering.
Anna is at work.
And so she's in route to Anna's work when Anna finally calls her, says she got her messages.
She couldn't have her phone on her.
And so they are headed to the police station because the police want to begin the process
of trying to track her phone, Libby's phone.
And Mike, on his way to the police station that evening, he is also going to swing by
the house and collect every piece of electronic iPad, tablet, whatever, anything, anything
electronic that was in Libby's possession, he brings to the police this night so that
way they can begin the kind of looking through it to see if there's any way to either ping
her phone from one of those or if there's any information on any of her other electronics.
And police say that they tried pinging those phones for several hours that evening, but
the sheriff believes they were either dead or turned off at this point.
The local news gets word that these girls are missing and they actually run the girl's
story that evening that they're missing.
So right away there's quick media coverage to these girls.
There's a quick police response to find these girls.
And I actually remember that night, February 13th, I know one of the girls' coaches from
living in that area, you know, were Facebook friends.
And one of their coaches had posted that, you know, the girls were missing, they were
last seen at High Bridge, you know, please pray for them.
This is very unlike them.
They're very good girls, very responsible, you know, very trustworthy.
So this was super out of their character.
But I remember seeing that.
And like initially my thought was, I was like, oh my God, they fell.
Like that was the only thing that made sense to me for this area.
And myself have been there, I was like, oh my God, they fell.
They fell off that bridge, you know, like they got to, you know, whatever.
But that was my initial thought when I saw that these girls were missing in their last
location.
Like that was my worst fear at that time that they had fallen.
So at 1145, police actually call off the search for that evening.
But the sheriff is quoted as saying, quote, they have no reason to believe that the girls
were in imminent danger and crews would resume their search in the morning, end quote.
But Mike says that family members and friends and other volunteers were in the woods, on
the trail, on the bridge all night long, searching for these girls, calling out their names,
calling their phones, trying to get some response from them.
I couldn't find if there was a time when there wasn't anybody there.
So, you know, maybe in the earlier hours, you know, people would maybe take a break
just to rest for a minute and then come back out.
I really don't know what time family and friends or volunteers came out of the woods that night,
if they came out of the woods that night.
I couldn't find a clear answer on that.
So at 10 a.m., you know, all the volunteers, police, firefighters, like all of those crews
meet again at the high bridge to resume the official search for Abby and Libby.
But again, it does appear that like family and friends were like in there regardless
of like when the police said the official search was happening and when it was not.
So lots of people are in these woods on this is February 14th, so Valentine's Day of 2017.
The search resumes.
There's a lot of people in these woods and at around 1245, they announced that they had
found the girls and that it was not good.
Shortly after this, there's a quick press conference held just announcing that during
the search for the girls that they did recover two bodies.
At this time, they don't say if it's Abby or Libby, but it is them.
Nobody else is missing at this time in Delphi, Indiana.
But that evening, police officially say that like, you know, they're not searching anymore
for the girls so that, you know, that gives everything they know.
So the next day, February 15th, police at this point officially identify the bodies
as being Abby and Libby.
And this again is held during a press conference earlier in the afternoon.
And then that evening, police reveal that they have significant evidence that is unlike
any other case out there.
But Libby, in her absolute presence of mind, in her absolute brilliance of minds, this
smart girl, while she was on the bridge that day, February 13th, during this time, roughly
207 when that last Snapchat was posted to 315 when her dad is in the woods, you know,
calling out her name and looking for her.
You know, that's really the question of what happened, you know, right in there during
that timeframe and police reveal that they have Libby's phone, that they were able to
recover Libby's phone.
And it's not specific where it was, if it was with her at the crime scene in the woods,
that's not clear.
And I guess I should just say this now that there's not a lot of information out there.
Police have kept everything very close.
But more recently in 2021 and 2022, there have been some updates.
So I'm going to kind of spread those in a little bit.
But overall, there's not a lot of details out there.
So police have Libby's phone and this brilliant girl recorded a video on her phone of the
man that police have called the prime suspect.
They've released pictures of him.
They've released video of him.
They've released his voice.
But on February 15th, they just released two stills from this video that Libby took on her phone.
And again, we don't know why she started taking this video.
You know, if she felt uncomfortable, why wouldn't she call 911?
But again, like I mentioned before, like cell service was really shoddy out there.
You know, there's so much speculation about this.
And I don't want to speculate too much because this feels so horrible.
But she had the presence of mind to like start recording this man.
And you know, in these pictures, you can see he appears to be approaching them and it looks
like he's coming from the direction of the parking lot.
And so they're on the other side of the bridge.
So the only way to get out of this trail system would have been to get by him on this bridge.
And in this photo, you know, it's a white man.
He's wearing a hat and like this big oversized navy coat.
There's like kind of a brown thing.
I don't know if it's a sweatshirt.
Some people have theorized it's like a fanny pack.
But there's like kind of like a brown section hanging out of his coat.
And then he's in blue jeans, but his head's down.
And again, this is very normal for being on the bridge.
I don't think he knew he was being filmed.
I think he was keeping his head down because you literally have to.
Like I said, like there's nothing underneath those train tracks.
So when you walk, your head automatically just stays down because you need to keep your
footing because this is the last place you want to like fall and trip because God forbid
you go over the side.
Like there's no handrails.
There wasn't at this time anyway.
So police released these images of this man.
And at this point, they don't call him a suspect.
But in the next few days, they'll say he is the prime suspect.
On February 18th, 2017, the girls have a public visitation at their middle school.
So that way everyone can come say goodbye.
And I believe it was open casket from everything that's reported.
But this is the day the girls are laid to rest.
And then the next day is when that man in the photo that I mentioned, which again, I
will be posting to Instagram.
He's officially named the prime suspect of the murders.
And then February 22nd, police release audio from the video and it's not much, but I'm
going to play it for you guys here.
Now initially they just release down the hill and that's the only part that comes out.
But in 2019, they released the guys portion.
So that was the portion of the audio that was released in 2019.
But initially it was just down the hill.
But here I'm playing it all for you.
So you get it all at once.
And they confirm that both the audio and the pictures, the videos are from a video on Libby's
phone taken by her at the high bridge.
And they don't go into details about how long this video is.
I've heard reports out there of different times, but nothing's been confirmed and nothing
else about what's on it.
So hundreds of tips have come in on this case.
They actually have to reroute the tips through the FBI just because of the sheer volume.
And they also are using electronic billboards all across the country to show the girl's
face and the picture taken from Libby's phone of this prime suspect, the man on the bridge.
And at the end of February, investigators will actually move into a building just dedicated
for this investigation.
Because so many police force, not only the Delphi police, but Carroll County, which is
the county it sits in, their police are involved.
The state Indian state police became involved with the investigation and the FBI.
So the small little like municipal building where like the police were had so much traffic,
like the rest of the city just like couldn't function.
So they actually had to move this investigation specifically to its own building just because
of how big it is and how many people were working on it.
About mid March, Libby and Abby's family will announce that in their memory, they are going
to build like a sports complex for the girls, the Abby and Libby.
I believe it's a softball field now, but a softball complex actually, it's like several
fields.
It's really cool, but that has been built.
But this is announced in just the weeks following that this is the vision and how the families
want to memorialize the girls.
And so like I said, we don't know much about what happened to the girls, but April or June
of this year of 2022, a search warrant comes out for a search that happens in the weeks
following.
Let me back up a little bit.
So where the girls were found, where their bodies were found, it was only about a half
a mile from the end of this, of the high bridge of where the train tracks end.
So it was relatively close to the trail, but where they were was technically on private
property and the police have questioned the man who owns this property and he actually
went to jail because of a probation violation in regards to all of this.
And he has never formally been charged with anything, but they did search his home, which
I think is only reasonable considering that the girls were found on his property.
Again, he has a lot of property.
It's rural Indiana.
In the search warrant, this is from the search warrant.
So a large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene, according to the
search warrant.
Because of the amount of blood, investigators believe that the perpetrator would have gotten
blood on their hands or clothing and the murderer likely took a souvenir from the crime scene,
according to the document and it quote, appeared the girls' bodies were moved and staged, end
quote.
And the search warrant has been redacted.
So it didn't specify what they believed was missing, but quote, the rest of their clothing
was recovered and there were no signs of a struggle or fight.
So that is the most details that we have gotten about what could have happened to the girls.
And again, I don't want to speculate because it just feels horrible until we know everything.
I don't want to add any speculation out there, but I know it sounds horrible and it doesn't
sound right.
And I thought, you know, as somebody who had lived in this area, I was shocked by these
murders when it came out that, you know, these girls were murdered, that it hadn't just been
like a very tragic hiking accident.
I instantly thought it had to have been somebody who was from the community because it was
kind of hard to find these trails.
Somebody had to take me there the first time.
You know, there were no roads.
It's like you just kind of pulled off this country road and you were in this parking
lot.
But if you blinked, you would have missed it if you were driving by.
Like you really had to kind of know it was there.
And Duffie being so small, I just, it was really hard for me to believe that like somebody
would stumble upon them on this kind of unscheduled day off, but like they maybe would have been
in school, maybe not.
Like that they would like know that these girls would be out, that he would stumble
upon them, be able to get in and out of these woods quickly without being caught.
Because, you know, there were people there.
There was that gentleman that Derek ran into that is not a suspect.
And police interviewed other people that were on the bridge that day, on the trails that
day.
So people were out.
And just to get in and out of those woods seems really, really interesting to me.
If somebody had just happened upon it, that seems kind of impossible.
So I do think it was somebody who knows Delphi and knows the area.
And because Libby had gotten this person's picture and his voice, I assumed it would
be solved within weeks.
I think a lot of people did when you have that evidence.
Like the victim is literally showing you who did it.
Like what a break in a case, but still the case goes unsolved until this day.
And you know, there have been updates in the case as far as new leads, but I don't really
want to get into those too much because a lot of them have been discredited.
So jumping back into 2017, they go unsolved.
And in July of 2017, police release a sketch of the person that they believe to be the
person in the video.
And this sketch is supposedly composited of witnesses along the trail of seeing this man.
This composite sketch will remain, you know, the main picture alongside this until 2019
when police completely changed the composite sketch and they release a new one and ask
for people to focus on the new sketch.
And they look very, very different.
So I will be posting both of them just so you can see the difference in it.
But the second sketch is the one that police say is more like the witness based off of
whatever evidence they have.
And again, they've played everything so, so very close to the chest.
Late 2017 in September, there will be like kind of this new suspect that comes along
that gets a lot of attention, but police will ultimately rule him out and the family will
do some media tours so they'll go on the Dr. Ah show, they'll go on the Dr. Phil show,
talking about Abby and Libby's death and trying to promote tips.
And this works every time they go on a talk show, like the tips jump according to police.
So the family stays out there, stays on the media.
February 13th, 2018, so this is the one year mark, police hold a press conference and say
that they have received 30,000 tips that they and they are saying they are investigating
every single one that comes in.
And the reward at this point is at $240,000 for information.
And police are saying that outside of, you know, kind of the big suspects that have jumped
out, they've been interviewed dozens of suspects.
Yeah, that's really what happens at the one year press conference.
And then there's not a whole lot of news until two years and people are still like really
surprised that this has not been figured out yet, that there hasn't been a resolve.
But police are insisting at two years, so this would be February 13th of 2019, that
it's not a cold case, that it's very much active.
In April of that year is when they do a significant update.
So I've talked about it a little bit already, but they released that additional audio, which
is the guys again, I'll play it for you here.
And they released the new sketch of the suspects.
And then they release video, but it's really just these stills again, that they initially
released, but they just kind of released like a three second clip of this person walking
on the bridge.
Over the years, suspects have popped up and popped out, but I want to go into what has
recently kind of come out at the end of 2021 2022.
So it's been five years since the girls were murdered.
We're coming up on six years this upcoming February, there has kind of been a new break
in the case and it's because of a podcast.
So the murder sheet podcast really helped shake some things loose here.
But I'm quoting from a Fox 59 article here.
So most recently the updates in this case, police are asking in regards to Libby and
Abby if anybody has had contact with the user profile, Anthony shots, and that's Anthony
underscore shots.
And this would have been on Snapchat, Instagram, something called yellow or you bow, which
apparently is like a Tinder for teens, which but the murder she podcasts found these transcripts
from an arrest unrelated to Abby and Libby's murder.
And for years, the best evidence that the police have had is what Libby gave them, right?
Like this video on her phone, this audio, these images, but it has come out recently
that Libby was in contact with this profile, Anthony shots.
And this kind of goes directly against everything that we had known before in this, like the
family had kind of actively said that they don't believe there was a catfishing scenario
here or anything like that, that there wasn't anything with social media going on.
So this has been a surprise to not only people following the case, but to family as well.
This is kind of come as a surprise to them.
So in August of 2020, 27 year old Keegan Klein of Peru, Indiana was arrested on 30 counts
of child solicitation, child exploitation, and possession of child porn.
But Keegan Klein also ran this account called Anthony shots.
And if you search Anthony underscore shots, you can find this profile on Instagram still
it's private, but it's the exact one that this person used.
And Klein admitted to police that Anthony shots was an account he used to talk to underage
girls.
He told police he'd find girls, both people he knew and didn't know on Instagram and
talked to him through messages on Snapchat or kick and past reports in regards to Libby
and Abby indicate that Klein was questioned by police after search of his home in Peru
12 days after Abby and Libby were murdered.
So police found him pretty quickly after the murder and searched his home.
And again, we have, you know, a search warrant from somebody else's home, but I imagine the
same things would have applied here.
And in the newly obtained transcripts, these transcripts were originally posted on a Miami
County court website, and Klein was interrogated by an Indiana State trooper and a sheriff
deputy on August 18 2020.
So I'm going to read you a little bit of the transcripts that I was able to find because
this has been removed now obviously, from in regards to Abby and Libby.
So this is all quote, quote, police.
You had told investigators, and I know you say you don't remember a girl that you ever
talked to but I know you remember Liberty German Klein inaudible.
No idea what he says.
Police right and you know you talk her to her and admitted to talking to her and Klein
cuts off.
I don't think I ever did though I think I talked to one of her friends like I told them
and then he says something that is inaudible police.
You you admitted you talked to her Klein inaudible.
Again, police for a few hours at a sleepover and then you blocked her because she was annoying
you.
You remember, Klein, you're right.
Yeah, police.
You remember that Klein.
Yeah.
And then later in the transcripts, the trooper confronts Klein saying that Anthony shots
this profile was supposed to meet Libby on the high bridge on Delphi high bridge the
day she died.
And Klein says quote see I don't remember ever saying to meet up with me though, and
quote.
So what we know or what we believe to know is that this profile Anthony shots who Keegan
Klein had access to and was running was supposed to meet with Libby German the day she died
on high bridge and this comes as a shock to her family.
Her sister doesn't know anything about this.
This, this is a shock to everybody.
So police based on their forensic investigation of this Anthony shots account believe that
at least two people had access to this account and when confronted with that Klein says well
yeah I gave my password to quote a lot of people.
On December 9 2021 Keegan Klein gives an interview from jail to Barbara McDonald who is a producer
for HLN network.
And in the interview Klein said that his father also had access to the Anthony shots account
and Klein told McDonald that Indiana State Police reportedly told him quote they knew
it was my dad and quote that killed Abby and Libby.
So this is taken from that interview McDonald.
Do you think you're going to be charged with anything related to Abby and Libby's murder
Klein No no I don't McDonald.
So they haven't the state police haven't threatened that.
Klein No no McDonald.
Do you feel like they're trying to get you to pin this on your dad.
Klein Yes yes I do McDonald and that's probably why he's not speaking to you.
Klein right because when I first got arrested they told me that they knew it was my dad
and if they if I tell them all my charges will be dropped.
And then again in this transcript of this interview that police did which is roughly
a hundred and ninety four pages Anthony shots was in communication with Libby German the
night before her death.
So remember she was having a sleepover with Abby and Klein told investigators he didn't
exchange photos with Libby but he did admit to receiving photos from a friend of hers
who was at the same sleepover.
According to the transcripts investigators say they knew Libby was speaking to Anthony
shots at the sleepover the night before she went to the Delphi trail with Abby police
said they believe Libby was being groomed by the account.
Unfortunately she was completely enthralled with Anthony shots and investigators said
in the transcripts the transcripts also revealed that police told Klein he failed a polygraph
test when asked if he knew who killed Abby and Libby also that he deleted search history
on his phone between the dates of February 10th and February 15th of 2017.
And remember the girls went missing on the 13th and they were found on the 14th and Klein
also said in these transcripts that his father was quote freaking out when Klein told him
in February of 2017 that detectives said Klein was a suspect in the Delphi murders.
Klein goes on to tell McDonald so this goes back to the interview with the TV producer
that his dad you know is not a good person he is abusive that he is a deer hunter and
robust enough to walk through the woods and strong enough to retrieve a deer.
So that would be like a dead deer in this case but the police are still actively asking
people if they know anything if they had any communication with Anthony shots to please
come forward to the police.
So this seems to be a very strong suspect I think in this case.
So if you know anything about what happened to Abby Williams or Libby German on February
13th 2017 at the High Bridge in Delphi Indiana or if you have ever had any contact with the
social media profile Anthony shots on Instagram Snapchat yellow or you bow please reach out
to law enforcement at 765-822-3535 or if you want to submit a tip via email you can do
that and the tip email is abbyandlibbytip at c a c o s h r f dot com.
So again that's abbyandlibbytip at c a c o s h r f dot com.
Carroll County Sheriff is the acronym I think they're going for at the back there.
But yeah that's I I didn't want to get too into this again this case has been covered
a lot but like I said I used to live there and so I've been keeping my eyes on this case
since the day it happened since the day I saw on Facebook that they were missing you
know I've I wanted to know what happened to them and this it's just crazy having lived
there.
This is such a small town and so safe before this it's completely unfathomable to think
of something like this happening there.
So I really hope that we are close that the suspect Keegan Klein he is in jail currently
on these 30 counts which seems accurate.
I'm glad he is in jail and safe and no longer being a predator on social media.
But yeah I really I really hope that this gets resolved soon it's been five years which
is a really long time and just really tragic that these girls were murdered.
I mean they were best friends they loved each other so much and you know the family has
said over the years that if one of them maybe had an opportunity to run they wouldn't like
they wouldn't have left each other alone.
So like these girls were loyal to each other and with each other till the end and they
deeply deserve justice and their families deserve peace and just like knowing that this
person is off the streets and this community deserves peace that this person isn't out
walking amongst them anymore.
So yeah that's the case of the Delphi Indiana murders.
They go by a lot of names but I've always known them as that.
And I hope you enjoyed it.
I hope I was able to tell the story chronologically in a way that made sense without Eli here
asking questions.
He's deeply missed I miss him so much.
This was a lot harder without him but he'll be back next week and I'll be back and we'll
be bringing you another episode.
So have a good week y'all.