1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,440 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,120 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,440 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages and is intended for a mature 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,440 audience. 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:34,800 Listener discretion is advised. 6 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,240 Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing. 7 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,000 My name is Ali McLaughlin and I am your host. 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:49,600 I am so sad to report this week that my beautiful husband, the love of my life, the incredible 9 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,480 Eli Sulkowski is not with us. 10 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:54,520 He is very busy this weekend. 11 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:01,000 He is actually shooting a movie, which is incredible, that he wrote and that he's starring 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,480 in, which is so cool. 13 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:10,800 And it's, it's, I'm so proud of him and I'm so, it's so amazing to watch your partner 14 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,760 like think of something, like have this idea in their head and then to see them like go 15 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,940 through every single step to make it a reality. 16 00:01:19,940 --> 00:01:24,400 And then like here he is shooting the movie that he wrote during the pandemic. 17 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:32,560 Like I am so proud of him and I'm his biggest fan and I'm so sad that he's not here, but 18 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:39,560 I'm so happy that he's, you know, doing his thing and like making his dreams come true, 19 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,920 our dreams come true. 20 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:41,920 I'm a proud wife. 21 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:42,920 Can you tell? 22 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,000 So anyway, it's just me. 23 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,960 It's just me this week. 24 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:50,080 So because of that, I decided to bring you a case. 25 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,160 We're still on our cold missing, cold missing kick. 26 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:58,560 So this is, I don't know if it's technically a cold case, but it's, it's an unsolved case 27 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,480 and it is more popular, which is a little bit different. 28 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:08,040 But again, because my husband is in here, I didn't want to do a case that I did a lot 29 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,140 of research for where I normally want him here. 30 00:02:11,140 --> 00:02:16,320 So I decided to do this case that I've been following since the day that it happened. 31 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,720 Some of you may be familiar with it. 32 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,840 I hope I bring a perspective that is maybe a little bit interesting. 33 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:29,040 If you have heard of it, we are going to be talking about the currently unsolved murders 34 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,720 of Abigail Williams and Liberty German. 35 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:40,640 And these took place in Delphi, Indiana on February 13th, 2017. 36 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:44,360 First to give you guys a little bit about the girls. 37 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,760 So Abigail, she went by Abby Williams. 38 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:57,460 She is said by family and friends to have been just so sweet and so kind and thoughtful. 39 00:02:57,460 --> 00:03:02,120 She was shy around, you know, maybe people she didn't know, but like around friends. 40 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,480 She was a lot more lively and she loved crafting. 41 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,160 It said that she had like a closet full of crafts and was always trying something new. 42 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,160 She was super athletic. 43 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:18,520 And she was part of the volleyball team, the softball team, just like an all around kind, 44 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,060 sweet girl. 45 00:03:20,060 --> 00:03:24,360 She was in middle school when these crimes took place. 46 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:33,680 And Liberty German, she went by Libby, described as being a very gentle soul and laid back 47 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:34,680 but also a defender. 48 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,280 Like it would take a lot to make her mad, but if you got her mad, she was going to let 49 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:40,280 you know about it. 50 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,480 So she would not tolerate any kind of bullying. 51 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,760 And Libby is also very athletic. 52 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:52,600 So she would play softball and then she would jump into soccer and then she would jump into 53 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,080 volleyball and then she would jump into swimming. 54 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,080 And by the time all of that wrapped up, it was like time to do it all over. 55 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,040 So softball, soccer, volleyball, swimming. 56 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,960 And like I mentioned, Abby was also a part of a lot of these teams with her. 57 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,440 So both of these girls were super athletic, super involved in their schools. 58 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,280 All of their teachers had nothing but kind things to say to them and will still stop 59 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,760 the parents and grandparents of these girls to just tell them how wonderful they were. 60 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,840 And I believe the girls' pictures are still up in the middle school. 61 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:26,160 Like they were very loved by that community and still are to this day. 62 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,000 The community still really is protective of the girls. 63 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,120 So this is maybe where I can add maybe a unique perspective to the case. 64 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:41,580 I actually used to live very close to Delphi, so not in Delphi, Indiana proper, but I lived 65 00:04:41,580 --> 00:04:44,120 in the town next door, which was called Brookston. 66 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:51,000 But I found myself in Delphi all the time because they had the CVS and a Dairy Queen 67 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,000 and Pizza Hut. 68 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,440 So these were like lovely amenities. 69 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:02,700 The town that I was living in, Brookston, they had a gas station, like a couple little 70 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:05,080 stores here and there, but it was a one stoplight town. 71 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:11,720 So surprisingly, Delphi was the biggest, but this is still like such a rural community. 72 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:17,400 It's still such a tiny town, even though to me it had these like, you know, amenities 73 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:24,080 of convenience, even though it was still like a full 25 minute drive, half hour drive to 74 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,080 get there and back. 75 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,000 So it was like a full hour excursion to like go pick up something quickly. 76 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,880 But so that's, you know, that's living in the country and a lot of folks who live in 77 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,600 rural areas know what that's like. 78 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:41,520 So this is very much the community that Delphi's in and where these crimes specifically take 79 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:46,920 place at, it's called the Monon High Bridge, but I've only ever heard of it as High Bridge 80 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:47,920 when I lived there. 81 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:53,040 So you'll hear me referring to it as High Bridge throughout the podcast today. 82 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,920 But I've been there with my friend to take pictures, which is exactly what like Abby 83 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,040 and Libby were doing that day. 84 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,320 I went there with my friend Carol Anne. 85 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,280 Shout out to Carol Anne if you're listening. 86 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:08,820 And we did exactly what these girls were doing, which was like taking pictures and like hanging 87 00:06:08,820 --> 00:06:09,960 out with each other. 88 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:17,400 So it is completely normal and expected for like kids to go there. 89 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,800 So like maybe to somebody listening that's not from this area, it seems like weird that 90 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:27,920 you would like let your kids, your middle schoolers go to this trail, specifically this 91 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:33,200 kind of abandoned bridge, which I will talk more about in a minute. 92 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,200 But it's not. 93 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,560 It was so busy. 94 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,240 Every time that I was there, I saw like somebody else there outside of who I was. 95 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,720 Like it was a very common place to be. 96 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:49,000 And you know, in these small towns with not a lot to do, there's not a movie theater anywhere 97 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,000 close by. 98 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,940 You know, there's not a lot of amenities as far as like for teenagers to hang out. 99 00:06:54,940 --> 00:06:56,760 Like this was the place to be. 100 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,280 And like, I totally get it. 101 00:06:58,280 --> 00:06:59,840 I totally understand it. 102 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:05,760 So but let's get into some of the details of the case before I just inundate you guys 103 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,880 with stories of my youth. 104 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,440 So Monday, February 13th, 2017. 105 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,440 It's a Monday in February. 106 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,200 So you're probably thinking these girls should be in school, right? 107 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,280 They actually had a built in snow day. 108 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:26,220 So what that means if you're not from an area that gets a lot of snow, sometimes the schools 109 00:07:26,220 --> 00:07:28,040 will build in these snow days. 110 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:33,280 So if they had to take a snow day, say in January, which is kind of typical, then they 111 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,580 don't have to like add that day on in the summer. 112 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:39,440 They would just like take away this day and they would just like go to school as normal. 113 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:45,200 But this year in the year of 2017, it's actually a pretty mild winter as far as Indiana is 114 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,200 concerned. 115 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,240 So they don't have school on this Monday. 116 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,320 They have that built in snow day off. 117 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,140 So Abby has stayed the night at Libby's house and they stayed up late the night before on 118 00:07:56,140 --> 00:07:57,440 Sunday night. 119 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:05,000 And according to Libby's grandma, Becky and Mike are her grandparents and she lives with 120 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,000 them and they have full custody of her. 121 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,480 So you'll hear me refer to Mike and Becky a lot. 122 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,020 But according to Becky, the girls were like working on this craft project because again, 123 00:08:15,020 --> 00:08:20,760 they both were so crafty and they were in the middle of painting this chocolate side, 124 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,080 which like is such slumber party vibes. 125 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,960 Like it's just like perfect that Monday. 126 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:33,560 Since the girls had been up late the night before they slept until around 10 on that 127 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:35,720 Monday. 128 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:41,160 And when they woke up, Libby's dad, Derek is there and he makes the girls pancakes for 129 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:47,360 breakfast and the girls, Libby like wanted to go do something. 130 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,020 You know, she's a teenage girl. 131 00:08:49,020 --> 00:08:50,020 She's a middle schooler. 132 00:08:50,020 --> 00:08:53,240 Like wants to go hang out, do something, but everyone had work that day because again, 133 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,240 it's Monday. 134 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,920 So her sister Kelsey, her grandmother and her dad all have work. 135 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:04,300 So the girls end up going to Becky's work and she tells them like, Hey, if you come 136 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:07,480 over, I've got some filing that I need done. 137 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,080 So if you do the filing, I'll pay you. 138 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,260 And then maybe later today we can go shopping when I get off of work. 139 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:17,380 So there's this kind of plan for the day, um, initially laid out in the morning. 140 00:09:17,380 --> 00:09:21,760 So the girls head over to Becky's work and they're doing their filing and around one 141 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,240 o'clock Kelsey German, this is Libby's sister. 142 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,920 She stops by because she's heading into work later. 143 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,420 And so she's going to hang with a friend at a friend's house and then go into work later 144 00:09:34,420 --> 00:09:35,420 that evening. 145 00:09:35,420 --> 00:09:38,260 Cause she has to be at work at four, I believe. 146 00:09:38,260 --> 00:09:45,840 And Libby asks her when she swings by if she will drive her and Abby to the high bridge 147 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,660 to the trail to hang out. 148 00:09:48,660 --> 00:09:50,320 And Kelsey says it's fine. 149 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,840 She doesn't have an issue with it. 150 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:57,220 And so they ask her grandmother, Becky, and Becky says it's fine, but you need to find 151 00:09:57,220 --> 00:10:01,440 a ride home and make sure that it's okay with Abby's mom. 152 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,980 Totally normal, totally cool. 153 00:10:02,980 --> 00:10:08,460 So Libby arranges for her dad to pick her up cause he's out doing some work and he'll 154 00:10:08,460 --> 00:10:10,520 he'll be coming back through in about an hour and a half. 155 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,260 So it's just perfect. 156 00:10:12,260 --> 00:10:17,360 So the girls leave the office, Kelsey, Abby, and Libby, and they head to the bridge. 157 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:24,520 And between 1.35, 1.38, right in there, the girls are dropped off by Kelsey and she watches 158 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,560 them walk onto the trail. 159 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:32,200 So there's like a little parking lot at the beginning of like this trailhead and it's 160 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,920 surrounded by like a wooded area. 161 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,440 And so she watches the girls walk into the trail and then it kind of bends slightly. 162 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,600 So then you're out of sight at the parking lot. 163 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:48,220 And this is all confirmed by cell phone records because Kelsey gets a call right as she's 164 00:10:48,220 --> 00:10:51,360 dropping the girls off and as she's leaving. 165 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,920 So we have like a clear time of what time the girls were at the bridge. 166 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:03,280 And so then Libby, she started doing like what teens do. 167 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:08,200 And so after they're dropped off, Libby starts doing like a little teen thing and gets on 168 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:14,600 Snapchat and she posts a picture first of the bridge. 169 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,800 And you've been hearing me refer to it as high bridge. 170 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:24,600 So just a little background about this trail area, just so you can kind of get it in your 171 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:29,420 head as we talk about it, because this is where a lot of this takes place. 172 00:11:29,420 --> 00:11:34,140 So you get dropped off and then you walk a little bit through the woods. 173 00:11:34,140 --> 00:11:35,820 And this is how I remember it. 174 00:11:35,820 --> 00:11:38,720 And this is also kind of confirmed by the details in the case. 175 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,980 But at one point the trail kind of forks. 176 00:11:41,980 --> 00:11:47,860 And so there's an option to go towards the creek. 177 00:11:47,860 --> 00:11:49,840 It's called Deer Creek that runs right there. 178 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,740 So that way you can get close and people do fishing and stuff down there. 179 00:11:53,740 --> 00:11:57,700 Or you can take the other way in the fork, which leads to the high bridge. 180 00:11:57,700 --> 00:12:04,320 Now the high bridge is an abandoned railroad track that goes over Deer Creek. 181 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,640 And I'm not completely sure about how high it is above Deer Creek, but it feels like 182 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,580 at least 30 feet from my memory. 183 00:12:11,580 --> 00:12:15,500 And I'm not somebody who is scared of heights or woozy. 184 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:17,500 Like I kind of like being up high. 185 00:12:17,500 --> 00:12:23,420 I like that feeling in my tummy and you know, I've done zip lines and like, I love it. 186 00:12:23,420 --> 00:12:25,420 I am not somebody who is scared of heights. 187 00:12:25,420 --> 00:12:31,680 But as I was like taking my first steps on to this abandoned railroad track that goes 188 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:37,020 over this creek, I felt wobbly and a little woozy in my knees. 189 00:12:37,020 --> 00:12:42,820 So please imagine a railroad track going over a creek, right? 190 00:12:42,820 --> 00:12:45,380 Like kind of that bridge scenario. 191 00:12:45,380 --> 00:12:52,700 But at that time in 2017 and you know, when I visited there, there was nothing that could 192 00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:54,920 really stop you from going over the side. 193 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,540 So there was no rails at all. 194 00:12:57,540 --> 00:13:00,700 It was literally a train track that you walked across. 195 00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:03,200 Like that was it. 196 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,300 And there was nothing underneath either. 197 00:13:05,300 --> 00:13:11,020 So like when you think about a train track, those spaces between like each plank of wood, 198 00:13:11,020 --> 00:13:13,420 those were all there and there was nothing underneath. 199 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:19,220 So like if your leg was small enough and like, you know, it would actually have to be pretty 200 00:13:19,220 --> 00:13:21,960 large to like not go through. 201 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,600 But like if you weren't watching your step while you were up there, your leg could easily 202 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,500 like go through these tracks. 203 00:13:28,500 --> 00:13:32,460 Like it when I first went there, I was like, this is completely bizarre that there's not 204 00:13:32,460 --> 00:13:35,780 even a handrail to like stop you from going over the edge. 205 00:13:35,780 --> 00:13:41,820 But like I have pictures with my friend of us like sitting on the edge and like laying 206 00:13:41,820 --> 00:13:48,420 like the girls are there and they post a picture of the train tracks. 207 00:13:48,420 --> 00:13:52,920 Libby posts it and we'll be posting, you know, all of these to Instagram as well. 208 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,260 So that way you can get these mental images if you're not familiar with them. 209 00:13:56,260 --> 00:14:03,000 So she posted an image and it appears that she's on the side of the bridge that's closest 210 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,140 to the park, the parking lot. 211 00:14:06,140 --> 00:14:11,940 So once you cross over this bridge, it's kind of interesting in how the trail from my memory 212 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:16,860 and I believe at this time, so it would curve as you were like walking across it, it would 213 00:14:16,860 --> 00:14:19,940 curve but then it wouldn't like loop in any way. 214 00:14:19,940 --> 00:14:24,620 So like once you got across the bridge to get back to the parking lot, your only other 215 00:14:24,620 --> 00:14:30,100 option was to go back across that bridge again from what I remember in my understanding that 216 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:31,200 that was really your only option. 217 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,740 There wasn't like a big loop being around. 218 00:14:32,740 --> 00:14:36,800 It was like you cross the bridge, you could walk a little bit farther, but then you would 219 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,420 have to come back over that bridge again. 220 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:47,980 And at 2 0 7, Libby posts a picture of Abby walking on the train tracks to Snapchat. 221 00:14:47,980 --> 00:14:53,740 That happens at 2 0 7 and this is the last communication that we really have from the 222 00:14:53,740 --> 00:15:01,020 girls is this Snapchat that's uploaded to her story or whatever it's called over there. 223 00:15:01,020 --> 00:15:06,060 So that happens at 2 0 7, roughly 30 minutes after they're dropped off, which makes sense 224 00:15:06,060 --> 00:15:09,740 because it takes a little bit of time to get over to the woods. 225 00:15:09,740 --> 00:15:18,080 At 3 11, Derek, Libby's dad, calls Libby as he's driving to the trailhead to the parking 226 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,940 lot to pick up the girls to say like, hey, start walking back because like I just said, 227 00:15:21,940 --> 00:15:24,540 it takes a few minutes to get to the parking lot from the bridge. 228 00:15:24,540 --> 00:15:27,400 So he calls Libby. 229 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,300 She doesn't pick up. 230 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:31,100 Not really worried at this time. 231 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:39,740 I don't know what the cell service was like in 2017, but when I was there, this was 2010, 232 00:15:39,740 --> 00:15:44,100 2011 right in there. 233 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:49,500 When I was there, the cell service was very spotty and it was like you could have it in 234 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:52,420 one spot and then be dead for a while. 235 00:15:52,420 --> 00:15:58,940 So you know, I wouldn't immediately be concerned if maybe somebody didn't pick up their phone 236 00:15:58,940 --> 00:16:03,540 while they were on this trail because I think I would think there were like cell phone dead 237 00:16:03,540 --> 00:16:05,380 spots along the way. 238 00:16:05,380 --> 00:16:12,320 At 3 14, Derek calls again because at this point he's at the parking lot and he says 239 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:18,540 he calls her as he's getting out of his truck and he starts walking towards the trail and 240 00:16:18,540 --> 00:16:23,460 kind of looks around and he doesn't get any response from her. 241 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:29,460 So he begins to start walking the trail and as he's walking the trail, you know, he's 242 00:16:29,460 --> 00:16:30,740 keeping an eye out for the girls. 243 00:16:30,740 --> 00:16:35,780 He comes up to that fork and he says that he sees an older gentleman that's out walking 244 00:16:35,780 --> 00:16:42,740 there because again, this was a very unseasonably warm day for February and this is a very popular 245 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:43,740 spot. 246 00:16:43,740 --> 00:16:48,000 Anytime that I went to High Bridge personally, I always saw somebody else there no matter 247 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,600 what time it was like there was always seemed to be somebody else there. 248 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,940 So Derek runs into this gentleman and he asked if he's seen, you know, the girls on the trail 249 00:16:56,940 --> 00:17:03,180 and he says that he hadn't but there was a couple that was, you know, down by the creek 250 00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:08,060 underneath the bridge, which are those train tracks when I refer to the bridge, it's the 251 00:17:08,060 --> 00:17:09,160 train track. 252 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:15,820 So based off of this information, Derek takes the path towards the creek to go see if the 253 00:17:15,820 --> 00:17:17,440 girls are down there. 254 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:24,300 At 3.30, Derek calls Becky, which is Libby's grandmother and says that he can't get a hold 255 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:25,300 of the girls. 256 00:17:25,300 --> 00:17:27,420 So he's pretty quick to call. 257 00:17:27,420 --> 00:17:33,300 This is only 15 minutes, you know, after they're kind of roughly agreed upon time that they 258 00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:35,080 were going to be picked up. 259 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:40,580 So Becky starts calling Libby's cell phone to try to get a hold of her and is not getting 260 00:17:40,580 --> 00:17:42,400 any response either. 261 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,740 At four o'clock, so this is coming up close to an hour, Mike, which is Libby's grandfather, 262 00:17:47,740 --> 00:17:51,700 is called and he is at work at this time. 263 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:55,820 So he leaves work and starts heading for this trail. 264 00:17:55,820 --> 00:18:04,880 And Becky at this time as well is also leaving work and she goes home and she meets another 265 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,280 family member at home. 266 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,580 And so they decide as they're driving over to the trail, they're going to take the two 267 00:18:10,580 --> 00:18:13,700 ways that the girls could possibly have walked home. 268 00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:21,380 So there's only like two roads that they could have taken out of these trails to come home, 269 00:18:21,380 --> 00:18:25,780 even though this was not the agreed upon plan, but just to cover all their bases. 270 00:18:25,780 --> 00:18:31,620 So the family member goes one way, Becky goes another, and everyone's heading towards the 271 00:18:31,620 --> 00:18:33,100 bridge. 272 00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:34,740 So Mike, he's left work. 273 00:18:34,740 --> 00:18:37,260 He gets there around 5.15. 274 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:41,620 And at this point, family members have shown up, just some friends have shown up because 275 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:44,980 they've been calling people to see if they've heard from the girls. 276 00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:47,140 And Becky says it's going to get dark soon. 277 00:18:47,140 --> 00:18:50,900 So they decide that they are going to go ahead and call the cops. 278 00:18:50,900 --> 00:18:52,240 And that's at 5.20. 279 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,440 So that's roughly two hours after the girls went missing. 280 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:03,100 The police are called and within 10 minutes, they are within route to the bridge area, 281 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:07,020 to the trail to begin looking for the girls. 282 00:19:07,020 --> 00:19:10,840 So family and friends are already in the trails looking for the girls. 283 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,420 They're all calling their cell phones. 284 00:19:12,420 --> 00:19:17,300 Becky's on the phone with AT&T to ask them if they're able to trace Libby's cell phone 285 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:18,420 at all. 286 00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:22,420 Because this is the thing that started to worry them because Libby always had her cell 287 00:19:22,420 --> 00:19:24,060 phone in her hand. 288 00:19:24,060 --> 00:19:29,700 So at this point, with so many people calling, there should be no reason that she's not picking 289 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:30,700 up. 290 00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:31,700 She's not answering. 291 00:19:31,700 --> 00:19:35,340 So AT&T is giving Becky the run around while she's walking. 292 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:39,340 She says she doesn't really remember a lot of her walking because she just remembers 293 00:19:39,340 --> 00:19:40,540 this phone call. 294 00:19:40,540 --> 00:19:42,980 But they basically tell her that they can't help her. 295 00:19:42,980 --> 00:19:44,100 They can't trace the phone. 296 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:45,180 They can't do that. 297 00:19:45,180 --> 00:19:50,620 But what she can do is like get Libby's phone and download, find my iPhone on it, and then 298 00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:51,980 she can do it. 299 00:19:51,980 --> 00:19:53,820 And she's like, are you not listening to me? 300 00:19:53,820 --> 00:19:55,620 Like, no, I don't have her phone. 301 00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:56,620 I don't have her. 302 00:19:56,620 --> 00:19:57,900 I need you to help me. 303 00:19:57,900 --> 00:20:01,380 But AT&T was not helpful for that. 304 00:20:01,380 --> 00:20:07,340 As the police are called, Becky, this AT&T phone call, I believe, happens before the 305 00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:09,100 police are called. 306 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:15,240 But as the police are called, Becky is like, I need to find Anna, which is Abby's mom. 307 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:20,380 She had been trying to get a hold of Anna since the girls weren't answering. 308 00:20:20,380 --> 00:20:22,200 Anna is at work. 309 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:28,340 And so she's in route to Anna's work when Anna finally calls her, says she got her messages. 310 00:20:28,340 --> 00:20:30,700 She couldn't have her phone on her. 311 00:20:30,700 --> 00:20:35,540 And so they are headed to the police station because the police want to begin the process 312 00:20:35,540 --> 00:20:40,040 of trying to track her phone, Libby's phone. 313 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:45,320 And Mike, on his way to the police station that evening, he is also going to swing by 314 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:51,980 the house and collect every piece of electronic iPad, tablet, whatever, anything, anything 315 00:20:51,980 --> 00:20:56,260 electronic that was in Libby's possession, he brings to the police this night so that 316 00:20:56,260 --> 00:21:00,660 way they can begin the kind of looking through it to see if there's any way to either ping 317 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:07,520 her phone from one of those or if there's any information on any of her other electronics. 318 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:13,940 And police say that they tried pinging those phones for several hours that evening, but 319 00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:18,900 the sheriff believes they were either dead or turned off at this point. 320 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:24,340 The local news gets word that these girls are missing and they actually run the girl's 321 00:21:24,340 --> 00:21:26,540 story that evening that they're missing. 322 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:30,380 So right away there's quick media coverage to these girls. 323 00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:34,060 There's a quick police response to find these girls. 324 00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:42,320 And I actually remember that night, February 13th, I know one of the girls' coaches from 325 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,760 living in that area, you know, were Facebook friends. 326 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,980 And one of their coaches had posted that, you know, the girls were missing, they were 327 00:21:51,980 --> 00:21:55,300 last seen at High Bridge, you know, please pray for them. 328 00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:56,660 This is very unlike them. 329 00:21:56,660 --> 00:22:00,800 They're very good girls, very responsible, you know, very trustworthy. 330 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,480 So this was super out of their character. 331 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,420 But I remember seeing that. 332 00:22:05,420 --> 00:22:10,740 And like initially my thought was, I was like, oh my God, they fell. 333 00:22:10,740 --> 00:22:14,660 Like that was the only thing that made sense to me for this area. 334 00:22:14,660 --> 00:22:17,900 And myself have been there, I was like, oh my God, they fell. 335 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:21,820 They fell off that bridge, you know, like they got to, you know, whatever. 336 00:22:21,820 --> 00:22:26,020 But that was my initial thought when I saw that these girls were missing in their last 337 00:22:26,020 --> 00:22:27,020 location. 338 00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:30,460 Like that was my worst fear at that time that they had fallen. 339 00:22:30,460 --> 00:22:37,700 So at 1145, police actually call off the search for that evening. 340 00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:43,160 But the sheriff is quoted as saying, quote, they have no reason to believe that the girls 341 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,820 were in imminent danger and crews would resume their search in the morning, end quote. 342 00:22:48,820 --> 00:22:55,940 But Mike says that family members and friends and other volunteers were in the woods, on 343 00:22:55,940 --> 00:23:02,140 the trail, on the bridge all night long, searching for these girls, calling out their names, 344 00:23:02,140 --> 00:23:05,020 calling their phones, trying to get some response from them. 345 00:23:05,020 --> 00:23:11,100 I couldn't find if there was a time when there wasn't anybody there. 346 00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:16,380 So, you know, maybe in the earlier hours, you know, people would maybe take a break 347 00:23:16,380 --> 00:23:18,540 just to rest for a minute and then come back out. 348 00:23:18,540 --> 00:23:24,660 I really don't know what time family and friends or volunteers came out of the woods that night, 349 00:23:24,660 --> 00:23:26,460 if they came out of the woods that night. 350 00:23:26,460 --> 00:23:29,260 I couldn't find a clear answer on that. 351 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:34,940 So at 10 a.m., you know, all the volunteers, police, firefighters, like all of those crews 352 00:23:34,940 --> 00:23:41,220 meet again at the high bridge to resume the official search for Abby and Libby. 353 00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:45,920 But again, it does appear that like family and friends were like in there regardless 354 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,460 of like when the police said the official search was happening and when it was not. 355 00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:59,740 So lots of people are in these woods on this is February 14th, so Valentine's Day of 2017. 356 00:23:59,740 --> 00:24:00,940 The search resumes. 357 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:07,140 There's a lot of people in these woods and at around 1245, they announced that they had 358 00:24:07,140 --> 00:24:10,540 found the girls and that it was not good. 359 00:24:10,540 --> 00:24:16,500 Shortly after this, there's a quick press conference held just announcing that during 360 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:20,780 the search for the girls that they did recover two bodies. 361 00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:25,380 At this time, they don't say if it's Abby or Libby, but it is them. 362 00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:29,980 Nobody else is missing at this time in Delphi, Indiana. 363 00:24:29,980 --> 00:24:35,280 But that evening, police officially say that like, you know, they're not searching anymore 364 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,140 for the girls so that, you know, that gives everything they know. 365 00:24:39,140 --> 00:24:46,020 So the next day, February 15th, police at this point officially identify the bodies 366 00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:48,140 as being Abby and Libby. 367 00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:53,420 And this again is held during a press conference earlier in the afternoon. 368 00:24:53,420 --> 00:25:04,260 And then that evening, police reveal that they have significant evidence that is unlike 369 00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:06,940 any other case out there. 370 00:25:06,940 --> 00:25:16,060 But Libby, in her absolute presence of mind, in her absolute brilliance of minds, this 371 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:24,060 smart girl, while she was on the bridge that day, February 13th, during this time, roughly 372 00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:30,580 207 when that last Snapchat was posted to 315 when her dad is in the woods, you know, 373 00:25:30,580 --> 00:25:32,300 calling out her name and looking for her. 374 00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:35,260 You know, that's really the question of what happened, you know, right in there during 375 00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:41,020 that timeframe and police reveal that they have Libby's phone, that they were able to 376 00:25:41,020 --> 00:25:42,020 recover Libby's phone. 377 00:25:42,020 --> 00:25:47,380 And it's not specific where it was, if it was with her at the crime scene in the woods, 378 00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:48,900 that's not clear. 379 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:54,020 And I guess I should just say this now that there's not a lot of information out there. 380 00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:57,460 Police have kept everything very close. 381 00:25:57,460 --> 00:26:02,060 But more recently in 2021 and 2022, there have been some updates. 382 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:05,340 So I'm going to kind of spread those in a little bit. 383 00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:08,980 But overall, there's not a lot of details out there. 384 00:26:08,980 --> 00:26:16,260 So police have Libby's phone and this brilliant girl recorded a video on her phone of the 385 00:26:16,260 --> 00:26:20,220 man that police have called the prime suspect. 386 00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:21,660 They've released pictures of him. 387 00:26:21,660 --> 00:26:23,380 They've released video of him. 388 00:26:23,380 --> 00:26:25,500 They've released his voice. 389 00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:32,500 But on February 15th, they just released two stills from this video that Libby took on her phone. 390 00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:36,740 And again, we don't know why she started taking this video. 391 00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:40,140 You know, if she felt uncomfortable, why wouldn't she call 911? 392 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:45,420 But again, like I mentioned before, like cell service was really shoddy out there. 393 00:26:45,420 --> 00:26:47,140 You know, there's so much speculation about this. 394 00:26:47,140 --> 00:26:50,460 And I don't want to speculate too much because this feels so horrible. 395 00:26:50,460 --> 00:26:56,180 But she had the presence of mind to like start recording this man. 396 00:26:56,180 --> 00:27:00,980 And you know, in these pictures, you can see he appears to be approaching them and it looks 397 00:27:00,980 --> 00:27:04,640 like he's coming from the direction of the parking lot. 398 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,300 And so they're on the other side of the bridge. 399 00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:12,340 So the only way to get out of this trail system would have been to get by him on this bridge. 400 00:27:12,340 --> 00:27:16,340 And in this photo, you know, it's a white man. 401 00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:21,740 He's wearing a hat and like this big oversized navy coat. 402 00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:23,260 There's like kind of a brown thing. 403 00:27:23,260 --> 00:27:24,780 I don't know if it's a sweatshirt. 404 00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:27,740 Some people have theorized it's like a fanny pack. 405 00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:32,560 But there's like kind of like a brown section hanging out of his coat. 406 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,860 And then he's in blue jeans, but his head's down. 407 00:27:35,860 --> 00:27:38,900 And again, this is very normal for being on the bridge. 408 00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:42,300 I don't think he knew he was being filmed. 409 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:45,820 I think he was keeping his head down because you literally have to. 410 00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:48,480 Like I said, like there's nothing underneath those train tracks. 411 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,140 So when you walk, your head automatically just stays down because you need to keep your 412 00:27:53,140 --> 00:28:00,140 footing because this is the last place you want to like fall and trip because God forbid 413 00:28:00,140 --> 00:28:01,460 you go over the side. 414 00:28:01,460 --> 00:28:04,380 Like there's no handrails. 415 00:28:04,380 --> 00:28:05,860 There wasn't at this time anyway. 416 00:28:05,860 --> 00:28:10,540 So police released these images of this man. 417 00:28:10,540 --> 00:28:12,660 And at this point, they don't call him a suspect. 418 00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:16,660 But in the next few days, they'll say he is the prime suspect. 419 00:28:16,660 --> 00:28:24,460 On February 18th, 2017, the girls have a public visitation at their middle school. 420 00:28:24,460 --> 00:28:27,360 So that way everyone can come say goodbye. 421 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,620 And I believe it was open casket from everything that's reported. 422 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:34,980 But this is the day the girls are laid to rest. 423 00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:39,300 And then the next day is when that man in the photo that I mentioned, which again, I 424 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,340 will be posting to Instagram. 425 00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:44,920 He's officially named the prime suspect of the murders. 426 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:53,340 And then February 22nd, police release audio from the video and it's not much, but I'm 427 00:28:53,340 --> 00:29:07,580 going to play it for you guys here. 428 00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:14,340 Now initially they just release down the hill and that's the only part that comes out. 429 00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:18,460 But in 2019, they released the guys portion. 430 00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:22,340 So that was the portion of the audio that was released in 2019. 431 00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:24,060 But initially it was just down the hill. 432 00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:25,500 But here I'm playing it all for you. 433 00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:27,020 So you get it all at once. 434 00:29:27,020 --> 00:29:33,200 And they confirm that both the audio and the pictures, the videos are from a video on Libby's 435 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,220 phone taken by her at the high bridge. 436 00:29:37,220 --> 00:29:41,460 And they don't go into details about how long this video is. 437 00:29:41,460 --> 00:29:48,540 I've heard reports out there of different times, but nothing's been confirmed and nothing 438 00:29:48,540 --> 00:29:50,360 else about what's on it. 439 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,540 So hundreds of tips have come in on this case. 440 00:29:53,540 --> 00:29:59,500 They actually have to reroute the tips through the FBI just because of the sheer volume. 441 00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:05,340 And they also are using electronic billboards all across the country to show the girl's 442 00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:11,860 face and the picture taken from Libby's phone of this prime suspect, the man on the bridge. 443 00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:19,400 And at the end of February, investigators will actually move into a building just dedicated 444 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,820 for this investigation. 445 00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:27,320 Because so many police force, not only the Delphi police, but Carroll County, which is 446 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,700 the county it sits in, their police are involved. 447 00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:35,740 The state Indian state police became involved with the investigation and the FBI. 448 00:30:35,740 --> 00:30:41,580 So the small little like municipal building where like the police were had so much traffic, 449 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:43,500 like the rest of the city just like couldn't function. 450 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:47,900 So they actually had to move this investigation specifically to its own building just because 451 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:52,300 of how big it is and how many people were working on it. 452 00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:58,360 About mid March, Libby and Abby's family will announce that in their memory, they are going 453 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:05,140 to build like a sports complex for the girls, the Abby and Libby. 454 00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:11,740 I believe it's a softball field now, but a softball complex actually, it's like several 455 00:31:11,740 --> 00:31:12,740 fields. 456 00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:15,180 It's really cool, but that has been built. 457 00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:20,020 But this is announced in just the weeks following that this is the vision and how the families 458 00:31:20,020 --> 00:31:22,900 want to memorialize the girls. 459 00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:29,700 And so like I said, we don't know much about what happened to the girls, but April or June 460 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:37,620 of this year of 2022, a search warrant comes out for a search that happens in the weeks 461 00:31:37,620 --> 00:31:38,620 following. 462 00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:39,900 Let me back up a little bit. 463 00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:45,380 So where the girls were found, where their bodies were found, it was only about a half 464 00:31:45,380 --> 00:31:51,100 a mile from the end of this, of the high bridge of where the train tracks end. 465 00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:55,820 So it was relatively close to the trail, but where they were was technically on private 466 00:31:55,820 --> 00:32:01,500 property and the police have questioned the man who owns this property and he actually 467 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:06,100 went to jail because of a probation violation in regards to all of this. 468 00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:12,160 And he has never formally been charged with anything, but they did search his home, which 469 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,060 I think is only reasonable considering that the girls were found on his property. 470 00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:19,060 Again, he has a lot of property. 471 00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:21,500 It's rural Indiana. 472 00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:25,460 In the search warrant, this is from the search warrant. 473 00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:30,700 So a large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene, according to the 474 00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:32,220 search warrant. 475 00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:36,020 Because of the amount of blood, investigators believe that the perpetrator would have gotten 476 00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:42,700 blood on their hands or clothing and the murderer likely took a souvenir from the crime scene, 477 00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:50,580 according to the document and it quote, appeared the girls' bodies were moved and staged, end 478 00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:51,740 quote. 479 00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:55,100 And the search warrant has been redacted. 480 00:32:55,100 --> 00:33:01,420 So it didn't specify what they believed was missing, but quote, the rest of their clothing 481 00:33:01,420 --> 00:33:05,920 was recovered and there were no signs of a struggle or fight. 482 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:13,900 So that is the most details that we have gotten about what could have happened to the girls. 483 00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:18,980 And again, I don't want to speculate because it just feels horrible until we know everything. 484 00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:24,620 I don't want to add any speculation out there, but I know it sounds horrible and it doesn't 485 00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:26,940 sound right. 486 00:33:26,940 --> 00:33:34,080 And I thought, you know, as somebody who had lived in this area, I was shocked by these 487 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,540 murders when it came out that, you know, these girls were murdered, that it hadn't just been 488 00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:41,420 like a very tragic hiking accident. 489 00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:46,820 I instantly thought it had to have been somebody who was from the community because it was 490 00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:49,400 kind of hard to find these trails. 491 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,860 Somebody had to take me there the first time. 492 00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:52,860 You know, there were no roads. 493 00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:56,460 It's like you just kind of pulled off this country road and you were in this parking 494 00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:57,460 lot. 495 00:33:57,460 --> 00:33:59,380 But if you blinked, you would have missed it if you were driving by. 496 00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:02,140 Like you really had to kind of know it was there. 497 00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:07,520 And Duffie being so small, I just, it was really hard for me to believe that like somebody 498 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:13,580 would stumble upon them on this kind of unscheduled day off, but like they maybe would have been 499 00:34:13,580 --> 00:34:14,780 in school, maybe not. 500 00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:19,540 Like that they would like know that these girls would be out, that he would stumble 501 00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:25,220 upon them, be able to get in and out of these woods quickly without being caught. 502 00:34:25,220 --> 00:34:26,660 Because, you know, there were people there. 503 00:34:26,660 --> 00:34:31,180 There was that gentleman that Derek ran into that is not a suspect. 504 00:34:31,180 --> 00:34:35,460 And police interviewed other people that were on the bridge that day, on the trails that 505 00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:36,460 day. 506 00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:38,060 So people were out. 507 00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:46,500 And just to get in and out of those woods seems really, really interesting to me. 508 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:49,820 If somebody had just happened upon it, that seems kind of impossible. 509 00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:55,180 So I do think it was somebody who knows Delphi and knows the area. 510 00:34:55,180 --> 00:35:01,580 And because Libby had gotten this person's picture and his voice, I assumed it would 511 00:35:01,580 --> 00:35:03,660 be solved within weeks. 512 00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:06,900 I think a lot of people did when you have that evidence. 513 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:11,100 Like the victim is literally showing you who did it. 514 00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:17,860 Like what a break in a case, but still the case goes unsolved until this day. 515 00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:26,140 And you know, there have been updates in the case as far as new leads, but I don't really 516 00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:30,420 want to get into those too much because a lot of them have been discredited. 517 00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:35,620 So jumping back into 2017, they go unsolved. 518 00:35:35,620 --> 00:35:44,620 And in July of 2017, police release a sketch of the person that they believe to be the 519 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:46,620 person in the video. 520 00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:54,340 And this sketch is supposedly composited of witnesses along the trail of seeing this man. 521 00:35:54,340 --> 00:36:02,860 This composite sketch will remain, you know, the main picture alongside this until 2019 522 00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:10,100 when police completely changed the composite sketch and they release a new one and ask 523 00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:13,640 for people to focus on the new sketch. 524 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,620 And they look very, very different. 525 00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:19,700 So I will be posting both of them just so you can see the difference in it. 526 00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:25,700 But the second sketch is the one that police say is more like the witness based off of 527 00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,180 whatever evidence they have. 528 00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:31,380 And again, they've played everything so, so very close to the chest. 529 00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:36,140 Late 2017 in September, there will be like kind of this new suspect that comes along 530 00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:42,580 that gets a lot of attention, but police will ultimately rule him out and the family will 531 00:36:42,580 --> 00:36:48,500 do some media tours so they'll go on the Dr. Ah show, they'll go on the Dr. Phil show, 532 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:52,860 talking about Abby and Libby's death and trying to promote tips. 533 00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:58,580 And this works every time they go on a talk show, like the tips jump according to police. 534 00:36:58,580 --> 00:37:02,220 So the family stays out there, stays on the media. 535 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:09,280 February 13th, 2018, so this is the one year mark, police hold a press conference and say 536 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,800 that they have received 30,000 tips that they and they are saying they are investigating 537 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,380 every single one that comes in. 538 00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:22,120 And the reward at this point is at $240,000 for information. 539 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,220 And police are saying that outside of, you know, kind of the big suspects that have jumped 540 00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:29,460 out, they've been interviewed dozens of suspects. 541 00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:33,000 Yeah, that's really what happens at the one year press conference. 542 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,740 And then there's not a whole lot of news until two years and people are still like really 543 00:37:38,740 --> 00:37:44,780 surprised that this has not been figured out yet, that there hasn't been a resolve. 544 00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:49,540 But police are insisting at two years, so this would be February 13th of 2019, that 545 00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:52,780 it's not a cold case, that it's very much active. 546 00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:57,180 In April of that year is when they do a significant update. 547 00:37:57,180 --> 00:38:01,340 So I've talked about it a little bit already, but they released that additional audio, which 548 00:38:01,340 --> 00:38:03,940 is the guys again, I'll play it for you here. 549 00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:16,540 And they released the new sketch of the suspects. 550 00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:23,700 And then they release video, but it's really just these stills again, that they initially 551 00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:28,040 released, but they just kind of released like a three second clip of this person walking 552 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,740 on the bridge. 553 00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:34,380 Over the years, suspects have popped up and popped out, but I want to go into what has 554 00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:38,820 recently kind of come out at the end of 2021 2022. 555 00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:43,420 So it's been five years since the girls were murdered. 556 00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:48,140 We're coming up on six years this upcoming February, there has kind of been a new break 557 00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:50,780 in the case and it's because of a podcast. 558 00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:55,840 So the murder sheet podcast really helped shake some things loose here. 559 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,540 But I'm quoting from a Fox 59 article here. 560 00:39:00,540 --> 00:39:08,780 So most recently the updates in this case, police are asking in regards to Libby and 561 00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:18,780 Abby if anybody has had contact with the user profile, Anthony shots, and that's Anthony 562 00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:21,340 underscore shots. 563 00:39:21,340 --> 00:39:29,380 And this would have been on Snapchat, Instagram, something called yellow or you bow, which 564 00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:35,660 apparently is like a Tinder for teens, which but the murder she podcasts found these transcripts 565 00:39:35,660 --> 00:39:41,780 from an arrest unrelated to Abby and Libby's murder. 566 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:47,540 And for years, the best evidence that the police have had is what Libby gave them, right? 567 00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:53,460 Like this video on her phone, this audio, these images, but it has come out recently 568 00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:59,100 that Libby was in contact with this profile, Anthony shots. 569 00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:04,220 And this kind of goes directly against everything that we had known before in this, like the 570 00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:08,860 family had kind of actively said that they don't believe there was a catfishing scenario 571 00:40:08,860 --> 00:40:12,840 here or anything like that, that there wasn't anything with social media going on. 572 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,740 So this has been a surprise to not only people following the case, but to family as well. 573 00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:20,180 This is kind of come as a surprise to them. 574 00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:28,060 So in August of 2020, 27 year old Keegan Klein of Peru, Indiana was arrested on 30 counts 575 00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:33,860 of child solicitation, child exploitation, and possession of child porn. 576 00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:39,380 But Keegan Klein also ran this account called Anthony shots. 577 00:40:39,380 --> 00:40:44,340 And if you search Anthony underscore shots, you can find this profile on Instagram still 578 00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:49,640 it's private, but it's the exact one that this person used. 579 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,340 And Klein admitted to police that Anthony shots was an account he used to talk to underage 580 00:40:54,340 --> 00:40:55,340 girls. 581 00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:59,620 He told police he'd find girls, both people he knew and didn't know on Instagram and 582 00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:07,100 talked to him through messages on Snapchat or kick and past reports in regards to Libby 583 00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:12,580 and Abby indicate that Klein was questioned by police after search of his home in Peru 584 00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:15,660 12 days after Abby and Libby were murdered. 585 00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:20,580 So police found him pretty quickly after the murder and searched his home. 586 00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:25,300 And again, we have, you know, a search warrant from somebody else's home, but I imagine the 587 00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:28,120 same things would have applied here. 588 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,240 And in the newly obtained transcripts, these transcripts were originally posted on a Miami 589 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:40,980 County court website, and Klein was interrogated by an Indiana State trooper and a sheriff 590 00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:44,780 deputy on August 18 2020. 591 00:41:44,780 --> 00:41:49,100 So I'm going to read you a little bit of the transcripts that I was able to find because 592 00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:53,420 this has been removed now obviously, from in regards to Abby and Libby. 593 00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:58,380 So this is all quote, quote, police. 594 00:41:58,380 --> 00:42:03,220 You had told investigators, and I know you say you don't remember a girl that you ever 595 00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:08,260 talked to but I know you remember Liberty German Klein inaudible. 596 00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:09,980 No idea what he says. 597 00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:17,100 Police right and you know you talk her to her and admitted to talking to her and Klein 598 00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:18,260 cuts off. 599 00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:23,060 I don't think I ever did though I think I talked to one of her friends like I told them 600 00:42:23,060 --> 00:42:27,060 and then he says something that is inaudible police. 601 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:31,980 You you admitted you talked to her Klein inaudible. 602 00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:38,300 Again, police for a few hours at a sleepover and then you blocked her because she was annoying 603 00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:39,300 you. 604 00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,180 You remember, Klein, you're right. 605 00:42:41,180 --> 00:42:42,180 Yeah, police. 606 00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:44,220 You remember that Klein. 607 00:42:44,220 --> 00:42:45,780 Yeah. 608 00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:50,860 And then later in the transcripts, the trooper confronts Klein saying that Anthony shots 609 00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:56,340 this profile was supposed to meet Libby on the high bridge on Delphi high bridge the 610 00:42:56,340 --> 00:42:58,020 day she died. 611 00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:03,020 And Klein says quote see I don't remember ever saying to meet up with me though, and 612 00:43:03,020 --> 00:43:04,020 quote. 613 00:43:04,020 --> 00:43:10,860 So what we know or what we believe to know is that this profile Anthony shots who Keegan 614 00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:18,220 Klein had access to and was running was supposed to meet with Libby German the day she died 615 00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:21,060 on high bridge and this comes as a shock to her family. 616 00:43:21,060 --> 00:43:22,900 Her sister doesn't know anything about this. 617 00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,780 This, this is a shock to everybody. 618 00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:33,260 So police based on their forensic investigation of this Anthony shots account believe that 619 00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:38,780 at least two people had access to this account and when confronted with that Klein says well 620 00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:43,420 yeah I gave my password to quote a lot of people. 621 00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:53,100 On December 9 2021 Keegan Klein gives an interview from jail to Barbara McDonald who is a producer 622 00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,060 for HLN network. 623 00:43:55,060 --> 00:44:00,260 And in the interview Klein said that his father also had access to the Anthony shots account 624 00:44:00,260 --> 00:44:05,420 and Klein told McDonald that Indiana State Police reportedly told him quote they knew 625 00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:09,980 it was my dad and quote that killed Abby and Libby. 626 00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:13,740 So this is taken from that interview McDonald. 627 00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:17,340 Do you think you're going to be charged with anything related to Abby and Libby's murder 628 00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:20,220 Klein No no I don't McDonald. 629 00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:23,380 So they haven't the state police haven't threatened that. 630 00:44:23,380 --> 00:44:25,700 Klein No no McDonald. 631 00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:29,340 Do you feel like they're trying to get you to pin this on your dad. 632 00:44:29,340 --> 00:44:34,820 Klein Yes yes I do McDonald and that's probably why he's not speaking to you. 633 00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:39,960 Klein right because when I first got arrested they told me that they knew it was my dad 634 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,580 and if they if I tell them all my charges will be dropped. 635 00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:49,460 And then again in this transcript of this interview that police did which is roughly 636 00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:55,300 a hundred and ninety four pages Anthony shots was in communication with Libby German the 637 00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:56,340 night before her death. 638 00:44:56,340 --> 00:45:01,060 So remember she was having a sleepover with Abby and Klein told investigators he didn't 639 00:45:01,060 --> 00:45:05,260 exchange photos with Libby but he did admit to receiving photos from a friend of hers 640 00:45:05,260 --> 00:45:07,620 who was at the same sleepover. 641 00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:11,700 According to the transcripts investigators say they knew Libby was speaking to Anthony 642 00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:16,120 shots at the sleepover the night before she went to the Delphi trail with Abby police 643 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,580 said they believe Libby was being groomed by the account. 644 00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:24,020 Unfortunately she was completely enthralled with Anthony shots and investigators said 645 00:45:24,020 --> 00:45:28,900 in the transcripts the transcripts also revealed that police told Klein he failed a polygraph 646 00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:34,660 test when asked if he knew who killed Abby and Libby also that he deleted search history 647 00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:39,700 on his phone between the dates of February 10th and February 15th of 2017. 648 00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:45,460 And remember the girls went missing on the 13th and they were found on the 14th and Klein 649 00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:50,980 also said in these transcripts that his father was quote freaking out when Klein told him 650 00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:56,220 in February of 2017 that detectives said Klein was a suspect in the Delphi murders. 651 00:45:56,220 --> 00:46:02,500 Klein goes on to tell McDonald so this goes back to the interview with the TV producer 652 00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:10,220 that his dad you know is not a good person he is abusive that he is a deer hunter and 653 00:46:10,220 --> 00:46:14,820 robust enough to walk through the woods and strong enough to retrieve a deer. 654 00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:21,580 So that would be like a dead deer in this case but the police are still actively asking 655 00:46:21,580 --> 00:46:26,300 people if they know anything if they had any communication with Anthony shots to please 656 00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:27,860 come forward to the police. 657 00:46:27,860 --> 00:46:32,780 So this seems to be a very strong suspect I think in this case. 658 00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:40,420 So if you know anything about what happened to Abby Williams or Libby German on February 659 00:46:40,420 --> 00:46:48,060 13th 2017 at the High Bridge in Delphi Indiana or if you have ever had any contact with the 660 00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:56,460 social media profile Anthony shots on Instagram Snapchat yellow or you bow please reach out 661 00:46:56,460 --> 00:47:06,940 to law enforcement at 765-822-3535 or if you want to submit a tip via email you can do 662 00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:17,980 that and the tip email is abbyandlibbytip at c a c o s h r f dot com. 663 00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:24,380 So again that's abbyandlibbytip at c a c o s h r f dot com. 664 00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:29,100 Carroll County Sheriff is the acronym I think they're going for at the back there. 665 00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:34,140 But yeah that's I I didn't want to get too into this again this case has been covered 666 00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:39,740 a lot but like I said I used to live there and so I've been keeping my eyes on this case 667 00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:43,860 since the day it happened since the day I saw on Facebook that they were missing you 668 00:47:43,860 --> 00:47:48,620 know I've I wanted to know what happened to them and this it's just crazy having lived 669 00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:49,840 there. 670 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:56,820 This is such a small town and so safe before this it's completely unfathomable to think 671 00:47:56,820 --> 00:47:59,060 of something like this happening there. 672 00:47:59,060 --> 00:48:04,700 So I really hope that we are close that the suspect Keegan Klein he is in jail currently 673 00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:08,380 on these 30 counts which seems accurate. 674 00:48:08,380 --> 00:48:13,260 I'm glad he is in jail and safe and no longer being a predator on social media. 675 00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:18,540 But yeah I really I really hope that this gets resolved soon it's been five years which 676 00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:23,740 is a really long time and just really tragic that these girls were murdered. 677 00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:30,220 I mean they were best friends they loved each other so much and you know the family has 678 00:48:30,220 --> 00:48:35,620 said over the years that if one of them maybe had an opportunity to run they wouldn't like 679 00:48:35,620 --> 00:48:37,500 they wouldn't have left each other alone. 680 00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:41,580 So like these girls were loyal to each other and with each other till the end and they 681 00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:46,860 deeply deserve justice and their families deserve peace and just like knowing that this 682 00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:51,380 person is off the streets and this community deserves peace that this person isn't out 683 00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:53,260 walking amongst them anymore. 684 00:48:53,260 --> 00:48:58,460 So yeah that's the case of the Delphi Indiana murders. 685 00:48:58,460 --> 00:49:03,140 They go by a lot of names but I've always known them as that. 686 00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:04,780 And I hope you enjoyed it. 687 00:49:04,780 --> 00:49:10,220 I hope I was able to tell the story chronologically in a way that made sense without Eli here 688 00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:11,980 asking questions. 689 00:49:11,980 --> 00:49:14,580 He's deeply missed I miss him so much. 690 00:49:14,580 --> 00:49:18,980 This was a lot harder without him but he'll be back next week and I'll be back and we'll 691 00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:21,160 be bringing you another episode. 692 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:27,780 So have a good week y'all.