1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,460 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,460 --> 00:00:18,160 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,440 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages and is intended for a mature 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,440 audience. 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:34,960 Listener discretion is advised. 6 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,440 Welcome back everybody. 7 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,960 Hello everyone. 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,200 Welcome back to Cold and Missing. 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,080 We're on our sixth episode. 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,080 Lucky number six. 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,320 Number six, number six. 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,040 That's my favorite number six. 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,040 That's my favorite number. 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,040 Perfect. 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,040 So this should be your favorite episode. 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,040 Well. 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,480 Till we get to 66. 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,000 Or the triple three. 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,040 Six, six, six. 20 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,480 Okay, so what do you got for me today? 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:06,760 How are you going to break my heart? 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,080 Oh, I got one for you. 23 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,960 I got a missing case for you. 24 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:10,960 Okay. 25 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:12,560 Have you noticed the pattern yet? 26 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,520 Oh, is it every other? 27 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,520 Yeah. 28 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:21,800 Wow, it's almost as if you've been methodical about this and have thought about it. 29 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,840 Yes, we do. 30 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,960 Cold case one week missing person the next week. 31 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:28,000 I did not put that together now. 32 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,080 Well, you're in on the secret now. 33 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,080 Okay. 34 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,040 So this is missing. 35 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,760 Yes, this is a missing case, but considered endangered missing. 36 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,840 So police do not suspecting the person we are covering today to come home alive at this 37 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:45,840 point. 38 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:46,840 Okay. 39 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,680 And we are talking about Jessica Ann Kinsey. 40 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,960 Jessica Ann Kinsey. 41 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,320 Jessica Ann Kinsey. 42 00:01:54,320 --> 00:02:01,800 And this is taking place December 26th of 1995 in Union, Missouri. 43 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,360 Alrighty. 44 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,000 So a little bit of background information about Jessica. 45 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,920 Jessica was born February 16th, 1981. 46 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:20,120 And at the time of this event taking place in December of 1995, she is a 14 year old 47 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,320 seventh grader at Union Middle School in Union, Missouri. 48 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:30,240 And she really is a typical 90s teen. 49 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:36,880 Like her favorite TV shows are America's Funniest Home Videos, Saved by the Bell and Full House. 50 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:37,880 Yes. 51 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:38,880 Awesome. 52 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:39,880 Me too. 53 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,880 I was also, we were all some 90s teens. 54 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:42,880 Yes. 55 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:48,920 Her favorite movies are Dirty Dancing and the made for TV film, Sarah Plain and Tall. 56 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:53,160 And her favorite music was Dolly Parton and Alanis Morissette. 57 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,440 And I'm like, excellent taste. 58 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,440 Excellent taste all around. 59 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,640 Excellent taste in media, I would say. 60 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:05,480 I'm pretty sure somewhere in the depths of my music is a Dolly Parton, Alanis Morissette 61 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,480 mix tape. 62 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:07,480 Sure. 63 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,120 Like that's great combo. 64 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,080 So Jessica at this time is living with her mom, her stepdad and her step siblings who 65 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,680 are twins. 66 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:22,000 Her family says that she is shy around strangers but was outgoing with her friends. 67 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,640 Her favorite color is hunter green. 68 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:30,080 And this girl, first off for the 90s, I think hunter green is a very, it's a beautiful color. 69 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,560 And it's a very like interesting color for like a teenage girl to be like, this is my 70 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:34,840 favorite color. 71 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:40,600 Her room was painted hunter green and the clothes that she was last seen wearing was 72 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:47,000 a dark green jacket, dark green Levi's, a green scrunchie and a green sweatshirt with 73 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,000 a white turtleneck. 74 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,360 So she was like, I am on a chromatic moment. 75 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:51,360 Yeah. 76 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,800 She was like, I'm on my hunter green right now and I live for it. 77 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,280 So let's, you know, I love hunter green camo. 78 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,640 It's a camo stuff. 79 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:07,200 I just think like when I think of like a 90s teenage girl, like I think, you know, like 80 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,200 like a pink windbreaker. 81 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,680 It's a poofy high ponytail. 82 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:11,680 Yeah. 83 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,080 And like the neon that was just so popular in the 90s, like bright colors. 84 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,000 Like that was all very like, precisely. 85 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Yeah. 86 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,200 Like it was very like teen, but like a hunter green is just like more, it's like a more 87 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,400 mature and I really liked that her room was painted like this. 88 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,840 She's got more of an edge. 89 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:28,840 Yeah. 90 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:29,840 She was like, I don't care about the neon. 91 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:30,840 More unique spin. 92 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:31,840 Yeah. 93 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:32,840 She was like, I know what I like. 94 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:33,840 It's not the neon. 95 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:35,640 It's the hunter green. 96 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,480 So let's get into it. 97 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,840 Tuesday, December 26th, 1995. 98 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:43,080 So this is the day after Christmas. 99 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,000 Jessica's parents, Ron and Mary Klein, they're both at home. 100 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,440 You know, it's the day after Christmas. 101 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,680 A lot of folks stay home that next day and Jessica heads to a friend's house to show 102 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,260 off her Christmas presents. 103 00:04:55,260 --> 00:05:00,200 She really wants to show her friend her new jacket, her gloves, her purse and her scarf. 104 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,200 Oh my God. 105 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,480 I used to love doing like Christmas morning. 106 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,840 My friends and I would call each other and be like, what did you get? 107 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:09,680 And I would like open up all my Kohl's boxes. 108 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:16,400 That was the like when we knew we were doing well was when like I saw a Kohl's box on Christmas 109 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:17,400 morning. 110 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,400 Yeah. 111 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,120 You knew you were about to get that candies from Kohl's. 112 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,440 Oh my God. 113 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,440 I loved doing that. 114 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:26,440 Yeah. 115 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,440 Oh yeah. 116 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:28,440 So this is the next day. 117 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,360 She was like, okay, I'm ready to go like show off on my friend. 118 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,560 We're about to do a fashion show. 119 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:33,560 Yeah. 120 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:38,040 So we go over to her friend's house and Jessica calls her mom at two, says she's having a 121 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:43,360 great time and she'll call again at five to let her mom know if she's going to stay at 122 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,360 her friend's house for dinner or if she's going to come home and eat dinner. 123 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,360 Pretty typical. 124 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,360 Yeah. 125 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,360 A girl's day, a girl's dinner. 126 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,760 A girl's day, a girl's dinner. 127 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:51,760 Let's go. 128 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:57,480 At 5 30, Jessica's mother Mary calls the friend's house because Jessica has not called at this 129 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:58,480 time. 130 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:04,920 The friend's mom says that 23 year old Jimmy Hopkins had picked her up. 131 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:12,440 Now Jimmy is the son of one of Mary's friends and he and his mother are family friends of 132 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,240 Jessica and Mary and Ron and Jessica knows both of them well. 133 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:22,500 Before leaving the friend's house, Jessica asked her friend's mom to call her mother 134 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:25,240 and let her know that Jimmy had picked her up. 135 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,220 But the friend's mother forgot to do this and doesn't inform Mary until Mary calls 136 00:06:30,220 --> 00:06:32,880 her at 5 30. 137 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:39,840 So Mary immediately calls the cops because Jimmy had no reason to pick her up and it's 138 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:41,440 5 30 and she's not home yet. 139 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,640 The friends lived close by. 140 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,080 She should have been home already and it seems like she might have been picked up a little 141 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,620 bit before five o'clock from the friend's house. 142 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:51,440 So she should have been home by now. 143 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:52,440 Got it. 144 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,720 The police then do their favorite thing and they treat Jessica as a runaway. 145 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,140 Her friends and family say it is unlike her. 146 00:06:59,140 --> 00:07:04,280 She would have no reason to do this and also she has no reason to leave with a married 147 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:07,480 man nine years her senior. 148 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,840 Also why would she be running away to her friend's house like making her whereabouts 149 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:12,840 known? 150 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,200 Like she's in, if she was going to run away, then she would run away. 151 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,660 Yeah, she went to her friend's house and then had plans to have like maybe a dinner there. 152 00:07:21,660 --> 00:07:24,880 So use some context clues guys. 153 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:25,880 Like come on. 154 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:31,280 I know it makes my blood boil that they're like, well, she probably ran away because 155 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,060 they assume she got in the car willingly. 156 00:07:33,060 --> 00:07:38,960 So she wanted to go with him and it's like, okay, dumb, dumb, but like she's 14. 157 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,960 Anyway, so police do their favorite thing and treat her as a runaway. 158 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,120 Mary believes that Jessica wouldn't have thought twice about getting in a car with Jimmy since 159 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,280 he was a family friend. 160 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,280 And Mary says, quote, I don't think my daughter felt anybody was a bad person. 161 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:56,600 Jesse was so naive. 162 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,600 End quote. 163 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,600 I'm sorry. 164 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:59,600 I'm frowning. 165 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,600 I don't think that that's a naive quality. 166 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,400 I kind of have that quality. 167 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:10,440 I think she's just saying is that, you know, this 14 year old girl hadn't been out in the 168 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:11,520 world yet. 169 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:18,980 And you know, as adults, we see a 23 year old picking up a 14 year old who has no reason 170 00:08:18,980 --> 00:08:21,760 to and like our alarm bells are going off. 171 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:22,760 Oh yeah. 172 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:28,160 The first thing my brain said was I've never heard a good ending to that sentence. 173 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,160 No. 174 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,160 Yeah. 175 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,240 So like my brain immediately. 176 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,620 So I understand. 177 00:08:33,620 --> 00:08:37,120 I don't think she's saying like night, like Jesse is naive. 178 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,680 Jessica is naive as like a negative thing. 179 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:43,880 I think it's just like the fact she was 14, like why would she think that her family friend 180 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,560 would do anything bad to her? 181 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:46,560 Yeah. 182 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:47,560 She, you know, she'd been living. 183 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:49,160 Childhood innocence. 184 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,160 Yeah. 185 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,640 It's normal for kids to be that way. 186 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:53,640 Totally. 187 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:58,040 So this is what we know about Jimmy picking up Jessica. 188 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,680 So Jimmy pays a local man. 189 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:08,600 His name is Mark Henderson to give him and Jessica a ride in his Aqua Teal two door 1994 190 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,320 Chevrolet Cavalier. 191 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:16,080 Jimmy tells Mark that Jessica is pregnant and that they are going to go to Niagara Falls 192 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,920 to get married. 193 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,320 Jimmy then produces a pair of wedding rings and shows them to Mark. 194 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,120 But Jimmy again is already married, right? 195 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,040 He has a wife already. 196 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:34,240 The plan is for Mark to drive Jimmy and Jessica to Indiana where Jimmy's relatives would pick 197 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,600 them up and then drive them the rest of the way to Niagara Falls. 198 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:45,320 And Mark is quoted as saying that during this car ride, Jessica is completely silent and 199 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,440 is just sitting in the backseat with her head down. 200 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,400 So she's not saying a single word. 201 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,120 Eventually Jimmy, Jessica and Mark make it to Cloverdale, Indiana. 202 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,120 This is taking a turn that I did not expect at all. 203 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,120 Right? 204 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,120 I'm like, wait, what's happening? 205 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,120 Yeah. 206 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,520 So I like thought I didn't hear you right at first. 207 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:09,520 Yeah. 208 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:17,040 This is the story that Jimmy has cooked up that he is going to marry Jessica because 209 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,760 she is pregnant. 210 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:26,000 And Mary, Jessica's mother says she knows Jessica is not pregnant. 211 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,280 And she says that there are medical reasons. 212 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:30,840 She knows that Jessica is not pregnant. 213 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,840 Okay. 214 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,440 So she doesn't get into what those are, but her mother seems very adamant that there's 215 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,720 no way her daughter is pregnant. 216 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:40,720 Sure. 217 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,640 Jimmy, Jessica and Mark make it to Cloverdale, Indiana and check into the Dollar Inn. 218 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:53,960 Cloverdale is about four hours away from Union and Mark is in room 224 and Jessica and Jimmy 219 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,240 go into room 222. 220 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,240 So they split up for the evening. 221 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,440 No, never go to a second location. 222 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,520 Stressful, right? 223 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,400 So we're back in Union. 224 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:15,920 Later that night, Jimmy's mother and his wife come over to see Mary. 225 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,160 Okay. 226 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:22,920 And they tell Mary that Jimmy said he was going to get Jessica. 227 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,400 And I'm like, ladies, why didn't you raise the fucking alarm? 228 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:32,880 Like you, he said he was going to get this girl and you didn't like think to warn his 229 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,600 mother, like her mother that like, hey, something's going on here. 230 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:41,880 Is this like the first time that everyone is figure figuring out that this man is behaving 231 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:42,880 this way? 232 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:43,880 I don't know. 233 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:49,800 I'm assuming that if he said to his mother or mother-in-law, his mother, his mother and 234 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,600 his wife, like, oh, I'm going to go pick up blah, blah, blah. 235 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,000 And to their knowledge, that's, that would be normal. 236 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,520 If they're all, if the family is all friends and well, here's the other little bit. 237 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:08,000 He had also taken his wife's birth certificate, her social security card and her driver's 238 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,040 license with him. 239 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,040 And they knew that? 240 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,040 They knew that. 241 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,040 Okay. 242 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,400 So this is just fucking weird. 243 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,440 That doesn't make any sense. 244 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,440 Yeah. 245 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,800 And I think Jimmy's maybe doing this to pass Jessica off as his wife. 246 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:24,800 Oh yeah. 247 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:25,800 A hundred percent. 248 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:26,800 Yeah. 249 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,320 I'm assuming that's why else would you do that? 250 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,400 And again, I don't know why the police, like this information is here. 251 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,280 Like, why are the police going to treat her as a runaway? 252 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:42,080 This 23 year old man seems to be wanting to pass off this 14 year old as his wife. 253 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,360 Like, that sounds like a kidnapping, sir. 254 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,520 I'm just like, how is it already this far? 255 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,120 And nothing has, no action has been taken. 256 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,760 That doesn't make, okay. 257 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:53,760 Yeah. 258 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:54,760 Continue. 259 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:55,760 Yeah. 260 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,400 So that's the first day that she goes missing, the 26th. 261 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,400 One day. 262 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,400 That's one day. 263 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,200 She starts the day at her parents' house. 264 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,840 She ends the day in this motel with Jimmy Hopkins. 265 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,240 With an adult man who has just kidnapped her. 266 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,240 Yes. 267 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:11,240 Okay. 268 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:16,800 Late on the 26th, early the 27th, sometime during that night, late that night, Mark tells 269 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:23,040 detectives that during the night he heard loud noises coming from the room where Jessica 270 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,600 was with Jimmy. 271 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,420 And at one point Mark says, it sounds like a body hit the wall because their rooms are 272 00:13:29,420 --> 00:13:34,200 next to each other so they would have a shared wall at this motel and it sounds like a body 273 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,760 hits that wall. 274 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:41,960 And then Mark's story changes a few times or it's reported kind of differently here, 275 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,820 but it both ends up in the same place. 276 00:13:44,820 --> 00:13:51,960 So first Mark tells police that Jimmy answered the door fully closed because Mark hears all 277 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,400 this, so he goes over to see what's going on. 278 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,840 So first Mark tells police that Jimmy answers the door fully closed, blocked Mark's view 279 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,920 of the room and would not let Mark in and Jimmy dismisses the noise as quote, rough 280 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:05,920 sex. 281 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:11,880 A police report however says that Mark knocked on the door and got no response for about 282 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,680 five minutes. 283 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:19,280 Jimmy then called out from inside of the room that everything was fine and that they had 284 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,760 been having rough sex because they hadn't seen each other for a long time. 285 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,120 So if Jimmy came to the door, if he didn't, that's kind of the discrepancy within those 286 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,840 two stories and if Mark was able to see into the room. 287 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,640 And you aren't having rough sex, you are assaulting a minor. 288 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:37,640 Yes. 289 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:38,640 Period. 290 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:39,640 It's, yeah, it's assault. 291 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:40,640 That's what's happening. 292 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:41,640 It's assault. 293 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:42,640 He's assaulting it. 294 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,320 But he's, that's how Jimmy is explaining all of this noise. 295 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,320 Yeah, I understand. 296 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,400 I just like want to- 297 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:49,880 Make it clear he's assaulting this. 298 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:54,120 Well yeah, and that like, I don't know, so often in media it's like he had sex with this 299 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,400 15 year old girl and it's like no he didn't. 300 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:03,200 He assaulted a minor, a child who cannot consent to that. 301 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,200 You know. 302 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,200 Exactly. 303 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,360 So I just wanted to, that kind of shit just like makes my- 304 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,280 Yeah, I get it. 305 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:16,640 Mark either way seems satisfied with whatever Jimmy tells him and he goes back to his room 306 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:17,640 and goes to sleep. 307 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,120 So he's a fucking idiot too. 308 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,200 He's a fucking idiot too, yeah. 309 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:28,640 So next morning, Wednesday, December 27th, Mark wakes up and realizes that Jimmy, Jessica 310 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,720 and his car are all missing. 311 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,720 Fooled you, Mark. 312 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:34,720 Got you, Mark. 313 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:35,720 Yes, snatched you, Mark. 314 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:36,720 This idiot. 315 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:42,280 Like what did you think that plan was, man? 316 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,240 Apparently he took everything at face value and was still like- 317 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,560 He's like, yeah, go marry this kid. 318 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,640 Yeah, he's like, yeah, I'll drive you to Indiana. 319 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:51,640 Yeah. 320 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:52,640 The fuck? 321 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,640 So you can marry a kid in Canada. 322 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:54,640 Let's do it. 323 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:55,640 Go for it. 324 00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:02,000 Mark calls police to report his car is stolen and Indiana police will fail to enter the 325 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:07,960 report and vehicle information into the National Crime Information Center system. 326 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:08,960 Wow. 327 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:16,400 Yes, they will fail to do this for over a month which loses the chance of other law 328 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,360 enforcement potentially stopping or finding the car earlier in the case. 329 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:27,720 I imagine that like receiving that information, them on the phone, hanging up the phone, then 330 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:33,160 ripping the phone out of the wall and then just throwing it and then moving on and saying, 331 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,160 goodbye. 332 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,160 How? 333 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,840 They plug in a new phone and they're like, all right, next case. 334 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,920 I don't understand. 335 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,000 You know, to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe they're like, oh, the car is going to 336 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,000 turn up. 337 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,280 Maybe they went for breakfast or to meet these relatives and they'll be back. 338 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,280 You know, it's before cell phones. 339 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,280 So like- 340 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,040 But even if you're sitting at your desk, you wouldn't even write down like, okay, what's 341 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,040 the year of making model? 342 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,040 Do you know that? 343 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,040 Well, no, they have that information. 344 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,040 Okay. 345 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,120 The police take all that information in Indiana, but they don't put it into the system that 346 00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:11,920 would let other police departments know it and be on the lookout for this vehicle and 347 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,680 this guy and this minor. 348 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,680 So they said, here's one for you. 349 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:17,680 Yeah. 350 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:26,840 They can't see you flicking me off. 351 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:33,900 Also on Wednesday, the 27th, about 300 miles away in Paris, Tennessee, which is about five 352 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:39,360 hours from Cloverdale, Jimmy pawns his grandmother's wedding ring. 353 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:43,800 So he has a little bit of a cashflow at this point. 354 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,320 And then New Year's is going to come and go. 355 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,640 Nothing really happens until January of 1996. 356 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,800 So this is the next few weeks because she went missing right at the end of December, 357 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,680 but we are in January and we're in a new year of 1996, but she has not been gone that long. 358 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:08,680 So on Saturday, January 6th, an unidentified male, not Jimmy, drops Mark's car off at 359 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,640 a garage in Los Angeles, California, and it's abandoned. 360 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:19,560 And then sometime in January, it's not that I couldn't find a specific date for this, 361 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:26,280 but Indiana police will finally enter the report of Mark's stolen car into the NCIC 362 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,100 and this will help the car be found by police. 363 00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:31,240 So police end up finding this car. 364 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,120 It's been reported stolen in Indiana. 365 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:39,920 Let's show us up in LA and Jimmy is located working at an ice cream or a yogurt shop, 366 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,560 maybe an ice cream yogurt shop. 367 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:53,880 Well, it's reported as an ice cream shop and then it's also reported as a yogurt shop. 368 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,680 Did you say that he was working there? 369 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:57,680 He's working there. 370 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:58,680 Yeah. 371 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:59,680 That's what made me laugh. 372 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,960 He's working at a basket. 373 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,960 Yeah. 374 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,480 They find him working there at the corner of Sunset Boulevard and the Pacific Coast 375 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:19,160 Highway and this will be close to where the car was dropped off and abandoned. 376 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:24,840 The shop owner confirms that a girl would come into the shop frequently while Jimmy 377 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:31,280 was working and other witnesses say that they had seen a girl matching Jessica's description 378 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,760 at the shop as well. 379 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:33,760 No cameras? 380 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,720 No, no cameras. 381 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,160 This is 1995 and this is kind of interesting. 382 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:44,440 They never say that Jessica was ID'd in California. 383 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,600 It's never said that witnesses confirmed out of photo lineup, they picked Jessica out of 384 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,640 it and be like, that's the girl I saw. 385 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:59,360 But they say that somebody matching Jessica's description is seen there and Kyle Kitcher, 386 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:03,900 who is the lead detective on this case at the time, says, quote, we believe she made 387 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:05,560 it to California. 388 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,440 So at this time, they think that- 389 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,200 Is there any receipts on why they believe that? 390 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,920 No receipts on why they believe that. 391 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,460 They think it's just because of these witnesses that say they saw a girl matching the description. 392 00:20:16,460 --> 00:20:18,600 They think she made it to California though. 393 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,760 In April of 1996, so Jessica's been missing- 394 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,760 This poor family. 395 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,600 This poor family. 396 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:30,360 In April of 1996, so this is about four months she's been missing, Jimmy returns to Union, 397 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:32,280 Missouri without Jessica. 398 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:37,700 And Jimmy will begin to tell different accounts to different people of where Jessica is as 399 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:38,700 soon as he gets in. 400 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:42,400 So he starts telling different stories to different people immediately. 401 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,080 Talking out of each side of his mouth. 402 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,080 Yeah. 403 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,080 Isn't that how that saying goes? 404 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,080 Talking out of both sides of his mouth. 405 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,080 Yeah, you taught me that. 406 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,080 I mean- 407 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:54,040 In June of 1996, Jimmy meets his second wife, Anna. 408 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:59,920 So he has gotten divorced or is getting divorced, but he meets the person who will become his 409 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,600 second wife during this time. 410 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,240 In November of 1996, so she's been missing for about 11 months, almost a year at this 411 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,960 point, police finally questioned Jimmy about Jessica. 412 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,200 This is the first time they talked to him about her. 413 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:23,560 I feel like if I was the family, I would have flown to LA at that point already and been 414 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,000 like, where the fuck is my kid? 415 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,960 Now that I'm not saying anything against the family, I have no idea what I would actually 416 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,400 do in that, how I would respond. 417 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,360 But not even the cops? 418 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,440 How did you not get your ass out there immediately? 419 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,200 How did you not talk to this guy when he showed up without this minor? 420 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,200 Yeah. 421 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,320 I mean, regardless, you didn't do whatever. 422 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,440 I mean, I think they should have jumped on this immediately and treated it as a kidnapping 423 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,080 because it was. 424 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,680 But almost a year later and you're like, well, let's go talk to the guy who was last seen 425 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:54,840 with her. 426 00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:01,020 So November 1996, it is reported that police finally questioned Jimmy about Jessica. 427 00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:04,200 Maybe they talked to him beforehand and we just don't have reports of it. 428 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,200 Sure. 429 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,380 But this is the first time that it's reported. 430 00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:13,120 So Franklin County, and that's in Missouri, that's where Union is, has warrants for Jimmy 431 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:17,640 for passing bad checks done in the days leading up to Jessica's abduction. 432 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:23,480 So with these passing of the bad checks, it would suggest that maybe this was a plan. 433 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:30,640 Like he was planning days leading up to this because like, why do you need all this money? 434 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,640 And then you're pawning. 435 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,800 I would say it was a shitty plan, but it seemed like it was really fucking easy for him to 436 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,800 get away with it. 437 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,800 Yeah, it sure does. 438 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,280 I mean, thus far, I don't know what else you're about to tell me about him. 439 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,280 Yeah. 440 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:48,360 So in this interview in November, Jimmy tells police that Jessica is living in a motel in 441 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:52,200 LA with a man named Capone. 442 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,720 Jimmy gives them the address, readily gives them the address for it. 443 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,720 Says, sure. 444 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,720 Yeah, this is where she is. 445 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,560 You can go knock on the door right now and talk to her. 446 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:07,080 So Jimmy gives them the address for this motel, but when police check it out, it is a field 447 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,080 that has been vacant for years. 448 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,800 Doesn't exist. 449 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,040 Never existed. 450 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:20,120 In her missing person flyers, it will say that she possibly has a neck tattoo that says 451 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:21,120 Capone. 452 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:25,880 So somewhere at this time, Jimmy says she is getting a neck tattoo. 453 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,720 A 14 year old is getting a neck tattoo with the word Capone on it. 454 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,160 And this is in her missing person flyer as like a possible clue to look for her. 455 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,560 But I just think it's bullshit because it's clearly made up. 456 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,560 Jimmy clearly made it. 457 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,240 Why are you even associating this Capone character with her? 458 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,240 Because it's a character. 459 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,240 He's made up. 460 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,520 So this all happens at the end of 1996. 461 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,680 And then that's a little bit of the last we hear. 462 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:57,280 But in the years following, Jimmy will tell more than one person that he killed her and 463 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,760 dumped her body. 464 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:04,800 And he tells one person it was near a lake, which prompted a search, but it yielded nothing. 465 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:10,360 And I couldn't find any details about where this lake was or when the search happened. 466 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:14,920 But I did find a report that a lake was searched in regards to Jessica because of what Jimmy 467 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,460 was saying. 468 00:24:16,460 --> 00:24:22,780 And Jimmy would even shout at Mary across the parking lot that Jessica is dead and she 469 00:24:22,780 --> 00:24:24,960 should just get over it. 470 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:32,040 In 2001, the union police will hand the case off to the LAPD because they believe she was 471 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,160 murdered in LA. 472 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,840 And I got that information. 473 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,800 The parents started a website specifically for Jessica. 474 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:41,800 And so there were some updates. 475 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,280 And that's where I got this information from. 476 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,000 And it's unclear when the case will move back to the union police department, but they are 477 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,320 handling the case again by 2004. 478 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,600 So there's some handoff. 479 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,720 Is that common? 480 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:02,520 I guess if a possible victim or survivor is taken across multiple state lines and stuff? 481 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,080 Well, usually the FBI gets involved when state lines are involved. 482 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:13,440 And I don't know if the FBI was ever invited in on this case or if they were and it just 483 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,440 wasn't publicized. 484 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,120 There was very little reports I could find about Jessica. 485 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:23,720 And honestly, I came to know this case because a former coworker of mine went to school with 486 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,360 Jessica and knew her and she told me about it. 487 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:27,360 Oh, no way. 488 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,360 Yeah. 489 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,360 Wow. 490 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:33,800 But yeah, so 2004 police will try to talk to Jimmy, but he'll refuse. 491 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:40,520 And apparently police reportedly approach Jimmy every single year to ask about Jessica 492 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,200 and her disappearance. 493 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,560 But Jimmy always lawyers up and refuses to talk. 494 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,440 And then in December of 2005, so she's been missing 10 years at this point, the union 495 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:58,200 police chief will talk informally with Jimmy and he'll walk away convinced that Jimmy killed 496 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,200 Jessica. 497 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:05,360 However, police can't use what is told to them because during the interview, Jimmy was 498 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,800 never read his Miranda rights. 499 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,520 So nothing that he was said could ever be admissible in court and cannot be used against 500 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,520 him. 501 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,840 And this was the union police chief? 502 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,840 Yeah. 503 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,280 Like the person at the top. 504 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,240 In theory. 505 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,560 I don't understand how you make that kind of mistake. 506 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,560 I don't. 507 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,200 And that's, I don't even know if it was a mistake. 508 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,120 I wonder if they went in with the intention of like, just tell us. 509 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,120 But like, again, I'm like, that's kind of shitty police work. 510 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:40,200 Well, I think that's been established. 511 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,200 Yeah. 512 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,520 It's not like they were like doing a great job and all of a sudden they like drop the 513 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,520 ball at the end. 514 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,480 You know, it's like, was this them just trying to get an answer? 515 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,880 I don't know. 516 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:57,800 But it, um, maybe to confirm some part of something else they had already had, but still 517 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,800 it wouldn't matter. 518 00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,800 I don't know. 519 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:08,200 But either way, nothing that he has said during this interview can be used by the police chief. 520 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,480 This is Mary's quote here, but quote, but he told me Mary, I know he killed your little 521 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,700 girl and quote. 522 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:20,640 So the police chief is convinced he knows it, knows it. 523 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:26,520 And in 2001 in the, you know, update that the parents said, they specifically use the 524 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,800 word they believe she was murdered in LA. 525 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:35,040 So whatever information the police have at this point, and again, Jimmy's kind of telling 526 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,360 everybody that he killed her and dumped her body somewhere. 527 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:39,360 Yeah. 528 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:40,360 He's like, I don't care. 529 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:41,360 Yeah. 530 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:46,800 The friend that, or, you know, my former coworker, she had her own story about what Jimmy had 531 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,480 said from like a friend of a friend who was at a party. 532 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,120 Like Jimmy got drunk at a party and like started blabbing about what he did to Jessica. 533 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,200 It's like a, Bo-Dukes. 534 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,200 That's exactly what he did with in relation to Tara Grinstead. 535 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,320 So he got drunk and told everybody. 536 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,320 Yeah. 537 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,720 But with this information, whatever the police gets from this informal interview with Jimmy, 538 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:16,200 in 2006, the family will decide to hold a memorial service for Jessica. 539 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,960 And this is the only memorial service that they have ever held. 540 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:26,240 I think at that point, they believe that she has been murdered and is gone. 541 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:34,280 And then on April 12th, 2008, Jimmy Hopkins will murder his second wife, Anna, before 542 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,920 killing himself in their home in Joplin, Missouri. 543 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:44,520 It's reported that Anna was going to leave Jimmy and this is possibly what prompted him 544 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,240 to murder Anna. 545 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,880 Police say that Jimmy handcuffed Anna's hands behind her back and shot her. 546 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,880 So he's a coward. 547 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,880 Like you're a murderer. 548 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,800 You're like scum anyway, but like you're not even going to like let this woman fight. 549 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,160 No, that says like, that's like sadistic to me. 550 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,160 Yeah. 551 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,080 And I imagine if you're doing that, that person probably had those handcuffs on for a little 552 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,680 while before they were killed. 553 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,680 Yeah. 554 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:19,600 And there's not a lot of details around this murder-suicide, but Jimmy and Anna will leave 555 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,200 behind two young children. 556 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,880 And Mary is quoted as saying, I think Jimmy Hopkins is the only person who knew what happened 557 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,120 to my daughter and he's the only person who knew where he buried the body. 558 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,000 End quote. 559 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,720 So that last line about the only person who buried the body, I think that comes from that 560 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:44,920 informal interview that it to me seems like Jimmy murdered Jessica. 561 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,160 I imagine it happened in that motel room. 562 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,160 Yeah. 563 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,160 I think it happened in that hotel room. 564 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:57,520 Like maybe he like threw her without the intention of killing her. 565 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,520 He did. 566 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,560 And then like he took the body, drove it to LA, dumped it there. 567 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,560 Yeah. 568 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,560 And then he drove it along the way. 569 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,560 Yeah. 570 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,560 I think it happened like super fast. 571 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,440 I don't think it was this long drawn out. 572 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,440 No. 573 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,760 And I don't think she made it to, I don't think she was alive in California. 574 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:13,760 Me neither. 575 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,760 I don't think that that's who that was. 576 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,840 I think he probably found another girl to be like, come visit me at my basket. 577 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,840 Yeah. 578 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:21,840 My ice cream shop. 579 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:22,840 Yeah. 580 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,920 But it's just like Anna didn't have to die if police did their job. 581 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,880 You know, like Jimmy should have been locked up a long time ago. 582 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:30,880 Oh no. 583 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,280 This is, I mean, it's on him. 584 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:39,560 But the weight of the responsibility falls to like their like terrible decision making 585 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,560 and mistakes. 586 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,560 It's really sad. 587 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,560 Yes. 588 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,560 It's, it's horrible. 589 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,760 And you know, Jimmy and Anna had children together that were left behind. 590 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,800 Jimmy had children from his first marriage as well. 591 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,760 I feel bad like even like saying it, but I'm like, thank God that like she somehow, like 592 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,840 Jimmy and his first wife, like he didn't kill her. 593 00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,840 Yeah. 594 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:00,840 He didn't kill his first wife. 595 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:01,840 Yeah. 596 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,840 That's what I'm saying. 597 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:03,840 I know what I want to say. 598 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,000 Like, thank God, but that's doesn't seem right because two other people have died. 599 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000 I'm just like, I don't know. 600 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,440 The whole situation is terrible. 601 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,440 Yeah. 602 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,240 It seems like anybody who was in his path was really in danger. 603 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,240 Yeah. 604 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,960 I think I'm having that feeling of like, oh my God, I was alone with that person. 605 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,080 Like I've been intimate with this person. 606 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,480 Like I have a child with this person, you know? 607 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,480 Yeah. 608 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,920 But yeah, Jessica, she's still listed as missing in most places. 609 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,680 She, you know, it's a missing person flyer for her. 610 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:38,000 Anybody with any information about what happened to Jessica, please call the union police at 611 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:44,000 636-583-3700. 612 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:51,240 And again, especially like people who grew up in union and maybe went to high school 613 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,960 with Jimmy or like partied in union in like the nineties, early two thousands. 614 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,160 Jimmy was getting drunk and talking at parties and was telling a lot of people what he did. 615 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,560 So I think that like Mary should, you know, have her daughter's body. 616 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,520 Like that should be the piece that she gets in this life, you know? 617 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,600 So anybody who knows anything, I know Jimmy like somewhere between everything he said, 618 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,760 there's breadcrumbs of the truth. 619 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,120 So it's like if all those things could be like teased out. 620 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,800 Someone somewhere knows something. 621 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,800 They do. 622 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,120 And you know, even, you know, I don't want to report on what my coworker said because 623 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,760 I couldn't find it anywhere else and I couldn't substantiate it. 624 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,760 But you know, wildly different stories. 625 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:40,400 Sources for this week's episode come from the St. Louis dispatch, the Missouri in the 626 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,840 Joplin globe, the Charlie project, the national center for missing and exploited children 627 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,360 and the parents website. 628 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,360 My name is Jessica. 629 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,560 Thank you for providing those. 630 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,560 Yeah. 631 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,160 I'm so sad. 632 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:59,480 Like she woke up like day after Christmas, like all jazz to wear her favorite outfit 633 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,000 and like probably had an awesome day planned. 634 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:10,280 And this guy, like ends the girls day short shows up and like I don't know how he got 635 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,360 Jessica in the car. 636 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,360 That's not reported. 637 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,960 But you know, I remember like my parents like coaching me in the nineties being like, even 638 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,640 if it's someone you know, like if they don't say this password, like don't get in the car 639 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,600 with them, even if they're like, your mom's in the hospital, your mom told me to come 640 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,600 get you. 641 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,120 Like don't get in the car with them. 642 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,600 Like I remember that like kind of coaching. 643 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,160 Well, you and I grew up with murderino 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