1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,440 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,000 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,420 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages and is intended for a mature 4 00:00:22,420 --> 00:00:23,600 audience. 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:35,040 Listener discretion is advised. 6 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,320 Welcome back everyone. 7 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,680 We hope you had a lovely weekend. 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,920 Yes, welcome back everyone. 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,760 Welcome back to Cold and Missing. 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,680 Fifth episode, feeling good, feeling great. 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,800 One, two, three, four, five. 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,160 Yeah, if this was Mambo number five, this would be it. 13 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:54,640 This would be the pinnacle, number five. 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,160 Lou Baga, I bet, is proud, wherever he is. 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,760 I saw a meme that was like, God did not allow my name to be in Mambo number five because 16 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,480 he knew I would be too powerful. 17 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:07,880 And that feels real to me. 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,400 That is true. 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,720 Yeah, if he said Ali, I'd be like, well, you couldn't tell me nothing for the rest of my 20 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,720 life. 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,080 I'd be like, well, Lou Baga, Mambo number five. 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,040 Lou Baga, Lou Baga, Lou Baga. 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,040 Okay, so we went to a monster truck rally this weekend. 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,720 We did, yes. 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,440 We went to a monster truck rally. 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:35,160 A good friend of ours is an announcer for them and has been doing this for years and 27 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,280 it's really cool to see. 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,520 I've never been to a monster truck show, but jumped in, knew everything. 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Who was your favorite? 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,160 Grave Digger, obviously. 31 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,880 Grave Digger. 32 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,120 Grave Digger, it was so cool. 33 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,120 Very loud. 34 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,440 Very loud. 35 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,920 If you are an adult, I recommend headphones as well. 36 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,720 They were necessary for us. 37 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,920 I did just want to do a quick correction to last week's episode. 38 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:11,840 This is the episode with Trevelle Henley and I mispronounced the middle school that he 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:12,840 went to. 40 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:19,360 A source in Ohio has told me that it is not Medina middle school, but it's Medina. 41 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,840 So Trevelle Henley was a middle schooler at Medina middle school. 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:25,840 Medina. 43 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,880 Medina, not Medina. 44 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:28,880 Medina. 45 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,840 That's my correction I wanted to get in. 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,480 Let's get into it, shall we? 47 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:34,480 Let's start it. 48 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,640 Is this cold or missing? 49 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:37,920 This is a cold case. 50 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:40,400 So we know. 51 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,960 We know roughly what happened. 52 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,480 And the people are deceased. 53 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,760 All right. 54 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,400 Let's do it. 55 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,400 Today we are talking about Marjorie Margie Dabney. 56 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,920 So she went by Margie. 57 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:08,440 And again, this is a cold case and she was 70 years old at the time that this happened. 58 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,760 What? 59 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,080 Yeah. 60 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,600 Okay. 61 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,720 You might cry this episode. 62 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,200 Just a heads up. 63 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,840 All right. 64 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:27,120 Our listeners may not know, but Eli, as a child, he couldn't really look at elderly people 65 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,200 without crying. 66 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,280 He would just cry anytime he saw somebody who was really old as a child. 67 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:38,440 And that kind of stays true into his 30s. 68 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:43,000 He gets really sad about senior folks. 69 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,280 I'm not sad about them. 70 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:57,440 I feel sad around people that I perceive to maybe look lonely or confused or they're in 71 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:58,440 pain. 72 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:59,440 I just can't. 73 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:04,400 You're going to hate this week. 74 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,640 I want to make it clear. 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,680 I love old people. 76 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:09,680 Yes. 77 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,400 But you just emotionally really can't handle it. 78 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,120 Hey, man. 79 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,800 I can handle it. 80 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,080 I got it. 81 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:21,080 I can keep it together. 82 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,080 Okay. 83 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,080 Okay. 84 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,080 Okay. 85 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,520 So Margie Dabney, she's 70 years old. 86 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:33,280 And the date that all of this jumps off is December 5th, 2001. 87 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:36,960 And we are at the Dallas Fort Worth airport. 88 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,720 So a little background information about Margie. 89 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,700 Her and her husband, Joe, they have been married for 34 years together. 90 00:04:44,700 --> 00:04:46,360 She is the mother of 10. 91 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:47,360 10? 92 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,360 10. 93 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:49,360 Wow. 94 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,120 Mother of 10 and a grandmother. 95 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,040 Her daughter says that she is the sweetest woman. 96 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,480 She'd give you the shirt off of her back. 97 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,800 She's 95 pounds and 5'2", so just a little itty bitty thing. 98 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:08,020 At the time she went missing, she was suffering from diabetes, high blood pressure, and Alzheimer's. 99 00:05:08,020 --> 00:05:13,120 And on the day she went missing, she was wearing a two-piece knit suit, a rainbow sweater, 100 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:19,520 black faux leather jacket, a green and white scarf, glasses with a chain, an Alzheimer's 101 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,100 ID tag, and then a beige purse and an all-day shopping bag. 102 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:26,600 So incredible fashion, first of all. 103 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:27,600 Incredible fashion. 104 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,720 I think that we should notate that. 105 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:30,760 Yes. 106 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,200 It seems as if Margie is of the era. 107 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:38,480 You were about to be in a miracle of flight through the air, so you dress up for that 108 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:39,480 back in the day. 109 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,840 You used to really dress up for your flights. 110 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:43,440 This is 2001. 111 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,120 Did people still do that? 112 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,760 Well, no, but I'm saying she's older, so she might be of that generation that still 113 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:51,760 ... I understand now, yeah. 114 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,160 ... respects the sky. 115 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,320 Yeah. 116 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:57,400 Okay. 117 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,960 Margie had incredible fashion. 118 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:00,960 Incredible fashion, yeah. 119 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,520 70 years old, still can get it any day of the week. 120 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:11,680 Wednesday, December 5th, 2001, Margie and Joe are flying together from Indianapolis 121 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:17,320 to Bakersfield, California with a layover at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport. 122 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:22,920 So Margie had been staying with her children in Indianapolis while Joe, her husband, was 123 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,360 recovering from a hip surgery. 124 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,820 So Joe was in California. 125 00:06:27,820 --> 00:06:33,440 He had a hip surgery done, and because Margie has Alzheimer's and she has a history of 126 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:38,640 wandering off, she went to go live with her children in Indianapolis so that way they 127 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,640 could watch her. 128 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,420 And Joe, who was recovering and couldn't really get up and move about that much, he stayed 129 00:06:44,420 --> 00:06:45,840 in California. 130 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:51,440 But as he was healing, he was now using a wheelchair to get around. 131 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:57,520 He flies to Indianapolis by himself to pick Margie up and fly her and himself back to 132 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:58,920 California to their home. 133 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:05,320 So they are very aware that Margie needs assistance getting from place to place, and the family 134 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:11,900 is very...they take a lot of precautions because she does have a history of wandering off. 135 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:15,280 Also the couple is very comfortable flying together. 136 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:21,800 Like Joe, he has trouble getting around and he uses a wheelchair, and then Margie has 137 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,000 Alzheimer's, but they are very comfortable flying. 138 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:30,720 Joe and Margie had moved from Indianapolis to California only a year before this, so 139 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,920 in the year 2000 they moved. 140 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:38,920 But family says that they had flown back and forward between six and seven times between 141 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,940 June and November of that year. 142 00:07:40,940 --> 00:07:45,280 So in a six-month span, they were pretty much flying once a month to see their children, 143 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,760 and they routinely asked the airlines for escorts to help getting to the gate and from 144 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:50,760 the gates. 145 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:57,440 So Joe and Margie, on December 5th, 2001, are driven to the airport by their daughter, 146 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,720 Candice, and they arrive between five and six a.m. 147 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:07,840 This is December of 2001, so this is just a few months after the September 11th attacks, 148 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,760 and if you remember during this time, they recommended that you get to the airport two 149 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:19,380 hours beforehand because security was so cranked up immediately following the attacks. 150 00:08:19,380 --> 00:08:25,360 So they arrive between five and six for their 7 a.m. flight, so they get there quite early, 151 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,720 and the flight from Indianapolis to Dallas-Fort Worth is about two and a half hours, so that's 152 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,740 the first leg of their journey, and then they're going to change planes and continue on to 153 00:08:34,740 --> 00:08:37,120 California from Dallas. 154 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:43,120 During the flight, Margie becomes so confused she tried to open a plane door in flight. 155 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,120 Wow. 156 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,120 Yes. 157 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,240 But, again, she's very little. 158 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,840 She's only 95 pounds. 159 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,560 I'm not saying she's not strong, but I know it takes quite a bit of heft to get those 160 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:56,040 doors open, especially in flight, I would imagine. 161 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,040 Yes. 162 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:02,840 So, you know, she wasn't really posing a danger to the flight themselves, but the family had 163 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,920 already told American Airlines that she had Alzheimer's, that she had Alzheimer's, but 164 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,160 now she's also confused and trying to open a door in the flight. 165 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,160 So like- 166 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,160 She's like, I gotta get out of here. 167 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,160 Yeah. 168 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:21,200 So they know that she has Alzheimer's, and American Airlines is aware that this is a 169 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,080 passenger that needs some assistance. 170 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,080 Okay. 171 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:30,160 And at the gates in Indianapolis, she had been given a special needs lanyard, but when 172 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:35,400 she arrives in Dallas-Fort Worth, staff do not see it because it has kind of gotten underneath 173 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:41,440 her coat that she was wearing, so she still has it on, but nobody in Dallas-Fort Worth 174 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,720 reported noticing it, none of the staff there. 175 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,960 So the flight lands at Dallas-Fort Worth around 10, 15 a.m. 176 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,600 Joe and Margie wait for everybody to get to plane first. 177 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,440 They're the last two on the plane, and a flight attendant helps them get off and walks them 178 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,240 to an escort to help them get to their next gate for- 179 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,240 California. 180 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,240 For California. 181 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,240 Okay. 182 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,240 Yes. 183 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,640 They were supposed to be two attendants, one to help Joe and one to help Margie, because 184 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:14,520 again, Joe is in a wheelchair and Margie wanders off from Alzheimer's. 185 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,640 So two different needs, right? 186 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,960 But the attendant who was supposed to help Margie went to the wrong gate. 187 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:27,960 And so Margie does not have an escort, only Joe has one, and Joe's escort, there's a 188 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:34,280 language barrier, and he does not realize that he is also now responsible for Margie. 189 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,880 He just thinks he's in charge of Joe and getting Joe to the next gate. 190 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:38,880 Okay. 191 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:45,920 So the escorts were supposed to help Joe and Margie get from gate 35 to gate 39 in Terminal 192 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,040 A. So I looked at a map of the Dallas-Fort Worth airport. 193 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,920 I've been there multiple times. 194 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:52,920 It's very close. 195 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,640 These gates are very close to each other. 196 00:10:54,640 --> 00:11:02,160 They're, I mean, 34, or they were at gate 35, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39. 197 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,160 Four gates. 198 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,160 Yeah. 199 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:09,960 Most of us have been to airports where we can recognize that spatial awareness and how 200 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,360 close a gate is. 201 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:12,360 Yes. 202 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,400 Like it is visible from one to the other. 203 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:16,400 Yes. 204 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,280 And in between these gates is a bathroom. 205 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,840 There are three versions of what happens next. 206 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,280 There's what the airline says, what the police says, and what Joe says. 207 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:32,040 But these are the critical moments of Margie's last known whereabouts is in this moment after 208 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,080 they have de-planned. 209 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:39,080 So this is the story that the airline talks about, and this is the story that is printed 210 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,520 the most. 211 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:46,020 Joe and Margie, they have been delivered from their flight by a flight attendant to one 212 00:11:46,020 --> 00:11:47,020 escort. 213 00:11:47,020 --> 00:11:52,960 So Joe and Margie are escorted by the aid, and they tell him that they need to use the 214 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:53,960 bathroom. 215 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,800 You know, they just got off a flight. 216 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,680 Everybody uses the bathroom after a flight, right? 217 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:00,560 Like that's 101 of flying. 218 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:02,680 Like you use the bathroom. 219 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:03,680 Airplane belly. 220 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:04,880 Yeah, exactly. 221 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,400 So this is where there's like some deviation within the story as well. 222 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:14,240 So either the escort enters the bathroom with Joe because he is recovering from hip surgery 223 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,240 and needs help using the restroom. 224 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,820 They tell Margie to meet them at the gate. 225 00:12:19,820 --> 00:12:21,960 She points to the sign and says she understands. 226 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:27,840 Because again, it's so close, you'd be able to see gate 39 from the bathroom. 227 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,320 So correct. 228 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,080 This is what they say, this is one version of the story. 229 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:40,280 The other version of the story is Joe and Margie tell the aid they need to use the bathroom. 230 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:45,780 And Joe and the escort enter the bathroom and Margie enters the women's bathroom. 231 00:12:45,780 --> 00:12:51,040 But when she doesn't come out of the bathroom, the escort asks a woman aid to enter the bathroom 232 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,160 and she cannot locate Margie. 233 00:12:55,160 --> 00:13:00,660 So that's what's reported the most of what happening is that Margie went into the bathroom. 234 00:13:00,660 --> 00:13:02,340 Like that is the story. 235 00:13:02,340 --> 00:13:08,160 But there are reports of her not going into the bathroom and her just kind of pointing 236 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,580 to the sign and saying she understood. 237 00:13:10,580 --> 00:13:15,120 But that is what's reported the most and that's kind of what the airline says. 238 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,680 Police say that Joe needed to use the bathroom and Joe yelled for Margie to meet them at 239 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:24,480 the gate as she wandered away from Joe and the escort. 240 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:29,200 So according to police, she just kind of starts wandering away and Joe is like yelling at 241 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:36,920 her to go to their gates, but she doesn't respond and Joe loses her in the crowd. 242 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,160 That's what police say happened. 243 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,720 This isn't really talked about a lot, so I don't know. 244 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:47,000 But it's reported a couple of times in newspapers that this is what happened rather than them 245 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,280 asking to use the bathroom. 246 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:54,300 She just started wandering away and Joe tried to call after her and he tries to get the 247 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:57,480 attendant to help, but there's a language barrier happening. 248 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:03,840 So the attendant doesn't realize what Joe is asking or what Joe is needing him to do 249 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,280 to get his wife back. 250 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,920 But then there's a third version and this is what Joe says happened. 251 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,020 So Joe says he never saw Margie leave the airplane. 252 00:14:13,020 --> 00:14:17,520 He was being wheeled off the airplane and Margie was behind him and he tried to twist 253 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:22,920 around to see her and find her, but lost her in the crowd. 254 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:29,000 So according to Joe, he never saw her get off the airplane technically because he was 255 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:35,220 behind her and we all know those airplane aisles are so thin that if he's being aided 256 00:14:35,220 --> 00:14:40,180 in a wheelchair and somebody's pushing him and then Margie's behind him, he would have 257 00:14:40,180 --> 00:14:41,720 a hard time seeing her. 258 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,040 Correct. 259 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:51,080 So that's three versions of what happens, but essentially they get off of the plane, 260 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:57,160 Joe uses the bathroom and Margie disappears in that time. 261 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:02,160 That is the last time that Joe sees Margie is right there at that plane. 262 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:08,840 So either on the plane as he was getting kind of wheeled off or as he was like entering 263 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,900 the bathroom, but somewhere in there was the last time that Joe sees Margie. 264 00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:19,200 So one thing that does come up again and again is that Joe starts to fight with this attendance 265 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,120 because his wife is not with him and he needs help. 266 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:30,960 So he starts, like at one point Joe says that he took the leg, what's the word I'm looking 267 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:31,960 for? 268 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:32,960 The break? 269 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,040 Not the break, but like the leg rest. 270 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,440 That holds your foot? 271 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,880 Yeah, the leg rest that holds your foot and like he took it off and started like hitting 272 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:45,200 the guy with it to get him to like stop because he was like, my wife is not here. 273 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,200 She has Alzheimer's. 274 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:51,360 So he starts fighting with the attendant, security is called and Joe is able to communicate 275 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:56,200 to security that his wife is missing and she has Alzheimer's. 276 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:01,040 But again, the airlines should know this because it has been previously communicated. 277 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,380 Yes, they asked for an escort. 278 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:07,160 She has a lanyard on and she did the plane thing. 279 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,160 Yeah. 280 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,360 Where she tried to open the door. 281 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:16,080 So Joe's at the gate and he alerts the gate and security that he cannot find his wife. 282 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,600 And so American Airline begins to search for her. 283 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:25,400 They search both gates that Margie was at, so where she came from, where she was going. 284 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,960 They start to search other gates, bathrooms, and they fail to find her. 285 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:35,360 So that's the first 75 minutes is just American Airlines searching for her. 286 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,360 Okay. 287 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:42,040 So 75 minutes after Margie's planeland, American Airline calls the airport police to help look 288 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,520 for her. 289 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:49,600 So this is well over an hour after she's been missing already and they cannot find her. 290 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:55,320 And Joe will beg American Airlines to call the police minutes into her disappearing. 291 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,880 He will start begging them to call the police because she has a history of doing this. 292 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,040 And so he wants the police involved. 293 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,160 In talking about the search, Joe says, we went from one end to the other, upstairs, 294 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,160 downstairs. 295 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,220 We've asked everybody we could find, but nobody saw her. 296 00:17:11,220 --> 00:17:13,860 Everybody should have seen her, but they didn't. 297 00:17:13,860 --> 00:17:15,480 I don't know where she is. 298 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:20,480 So now that the police are involved, the search expands to all of the terminals, because this 299 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,520 is an international airport. 300 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,280 I think there was five of them. 301 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:31,160 So they start searching all terminals, all transportation methods within the airport, 302 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:36,320 all the roads and other areas on the 18,000 acre property. 303 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,760 Dallas Fort Worth is the third largest airport in the world and this is of 2022. 304 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:46,560 So it is a very big airport and a very big campus around the airport. 305 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,720 Yeah, it's similar to the size of, I don't know if you've ever been to LAX, but similar. 306 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:59,640 No, yeah, I've never been to LAX or this airport, but I've been to other airports that I considered 307 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,280 huge that did not come up. 308 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,280 Even O'Hare. 309 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:08,800 Yeah, or like, you know, the Paris airport, like I was like, this is huge, but that wasn't 310 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,000 even close to the ranks. 311 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,040 I'm like, this is huge. 312 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:17,480 Police will use dogs and a helicopter with heat seeking technology to help search because 313 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,560 it is such a large campus. 314 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,880 And on this day, December 5th, a construction worker and a pilot will say that they saw 315 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:30,240 Margie wandering on the tarmac, but by the time searchers got there, she was gone. 316 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,320 On the tarmac? 317 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:32,840 On the tarmac. 318 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:38,960 So she had made it outside onto where the planes are taking off. 319 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:44,480 And you know, a pilot saw her and I'm like, pilots have to have perfect vision. 320 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,480 Like not that I'm saying I don't trust a construction worker to be like, hey, I saw this old woman 321 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,360 out here too, but I'm like, a pilot saw her? 322 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:53,400 They're like, he for sure saw her. 323 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,200 Like they have to have great vision. 324 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,200 That's like the requirement. 325 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:02,240 But by the time searchers got to the spot on the tarmac, no sign of her. 326 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:08,040 So later that night, this is still Wednesday the 5th when she goes missing, Joe is put 327 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,640 on a flight to California later that day against his will. 328 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,440 He does not want to get on it. 329 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:19,640 And again, there's like some questions about why he was put on a flight. 330 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:25,040 According to American Airlines, they claimed that the family said it was fine for him to 331 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,080 get on a flight, but the family says they were en route to Texas to start looking for 332 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,080 their mother. 333 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,920 Why would they want their father sent off? 334 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,000 Either way, he's rolled onto a flight and it is reported that he just sobbed the whole 335 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000 way home. 336 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Yes. 337 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:46,200 I mean, if someone tried to do that to me with you, that poor man, I like that's... 338 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,720 All right, keep going. 339 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,220 Yeah, it's torturous. 340 00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:58,120 So Joe arrives in California in this brand new apartment that he had set up for him and 341 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:00,000 Margie alone. 342 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,800 He calls the police in California to report that his wife is missing. 343 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,640 So that was Wednesday, Thursday, no news. 344 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:14,680 Friday, December 7th, police finally contact the media to let them know that she is missing 345 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:15,880 and with her picture. 346 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,440 So media had not been contacted till that Friday. 347 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:25,800 And in an Alzheimer's search, the first two hours are the most critical. 348 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:31,120 So 60% of people with Alzheimer's will wander off. 349 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:35,600 This is a habit of people for Alzheimer's because they are searching for something that's 350 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,320 familiar to them. 351 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,920 So 60% of people with Alzheimer's will wander off. 352 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:49,400 And if not found in the first 24 hours, 46% will die mostly due to dehydration or hypothermia. 353 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,800 So just like with kids, those first hours are so critical. 354 00:20:54,800 --> 00:21:01,720 It's like also with people with Alzheimer's, those first hours are so critical. 355 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:08,280 And American Airlines spent that first hour not alerting the police that she was gone, 356 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,620 just searching for her locally instead of announcing it to everybody. 357 00:21:12,620 --> 00:21:18,680 So on Friday, they finally get her picture out to the media and an airport worker reported 358 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:24,600 seeing someone who matched her description on a service road within the airport and police 359 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,340 arrived with dogs who pick up on her scent. 360 00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:34,920 So she was there on that road, but then it stopped abruptly, which is quote, consistent 361 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,640 with her getting into a car. 362 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,560 I quoted Marty Ayers, the AA, the American Airlines spokesman. 363 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,520 The media called Joe in California. 364 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,760 He's still in California and he says quote, I ain't heard nothing. 365 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,120 Nobody tells me anything. 366 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,720 I don't know what's going on here. 367 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,440 All I want is my wife, please. 368 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,400 Margie's children will come to Texas to kind of head up the search because again, Joe is 369 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,480 recovering from this recent surgery. 370 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,800 And so Monday, December 10th, the FBI officially joined the search for Margie. 371 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,800 There's been no sign of her since. 372 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:13,000 And at this point, the police are unsure if she's on the airport grounds any longer. 373 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,320 So it's almost a week that she's been missing, but they're like, we really don't know if 374 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,440 she's at the airport or not because it's so big. 375 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,400 And she's kind of popped up a couple of times over the few days. 376 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,840 Later that week on Friday, December 14th, Candice, her daughter, who immediately got 377 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,820 to Texas to start looking for her mother, she's running down leads all over Texas. 378 00:22:35,820 --> 00:22:42,600 There was a report that Margie was seen in Waco, Texas, and a gas station attendant swore 379 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,800 she was in his store. 380 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:50,240 So her daughter, Candice, is driving all over Texas just to follow down any leads, to put 381 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,120 pictures up everywhere. 382 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:58,440 Like when she heard about this possible sighting in Waco, she wallpapered the city in posters 383 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,240 of her mother. 384 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:06,620 Tuesday, December 18th, this is just shy of her missing for two weeks. 385 00:23:06,620 --> 00:23:09,600 Police say she is no longer at the airport. 386 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,880 So that is what they have accomplished in two weeks is that she is no longer at the 387 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,960 airport. 388 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,880 And Candice, her daughter says, quote, I'm certain she's not at the airport too. 389 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,280 I haven't been everywhere, but I'm still trying. 390 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,900 I know my mother wouldn't give up on me and I won't give up on her. 391 00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:30,160 And Candice really becomes like the family spokesperson and like the driver of finding 392 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,800 her mother amongst all of 10 of her children. 393 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,680 It's really Candice that's like in the media making sure her mother's story gets covered. 394 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:44,520 So Christmas comes and goes, New Year's comes and goes, no sign of Margie. 395 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:51,120 And American Airlines, they had been paying for a rental car for Candice as well as a 396 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:55,320 hotel for her to be in Dallas, because again, she's from Indianapolis. 397 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,360 So for her to be in the area. 398 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:01,360 But they announced that they will stop paying for this on January 14th. 399 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:06,440 So just a little over a month after her mother's been missing, American Airlines says, we're 400 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,160 not paying for that anymore. 401 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:13,840 But American Airlines says they will keep a private investigator on the case for another 402 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,840 month. 403 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:15,840 Like she's a piece of luggage. 404 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,560 How gracious of a multi-billion dollar company and industry. 405 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,200 How gracious. 406 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,980 How gracious. 407 00:24:24,980 --> 00:24:30,680 So March 2002, she's been missing for about three months at this point. 408 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,200 Joe hasn't unpacked the suitcases from the day that Margie went missing because she was 409 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,400 the last one to close them. 410 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,840 So he can't bring himself to open them. 411 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,440 And he says, quote, all I want is my wife. 412 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,680 She really was the only woman I ever loved. 413 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,560 I just want to know that she's okay. 414 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:47,560 What happened? 415 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,880 End quote. 416 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:55,080 So police in their search, they also are checking with hospitals because in the past when Margie 417 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,720 had wandered off, she had always gone to a hospital and she would either ask for her 418 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,400 mother who died in the year 2000 or for Joe who was having the surgery. 419 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:10,280 So they check with hospitals, churches, truck stops, homeless shelters and morgues. 420 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,920 And there is no sign of Margie. 421 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:19,680 An airport spokesman, so this is for the Dallas Fort Worth airport, Ken Capps, announces that 422 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,860 the airport police will undergo training for memory impaired people, but quote, we feel 423 00:25:23,860 --> 00:25:26,400 quite comfortable with our efforts in this case. 424 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,040 End quote. 425 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,160 And I'm like, what is wrong with you? 426 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:38,320 You lost a woman whose family specifically requested help getting her to four terminals, 427 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,480 just four terminals away. 428 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,200 Like Ken Capps, that's bullshit. 429 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,200 And you know it. 430 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:49,640 Also in March of 2002, Margie's family, they're going to hire Johnny Cochran's law firm to 431 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,920 explore all their legal options. 432 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,040 And also because the family was having trouble getting reports. 433 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,040 Johnny Cochran? 434 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,280 Yes, his law firm. 435 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,280 Oh, okay. 436 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,760 Johnny Cochran, he does speak a little bit on this case, but it's another lawyer in his 437 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,040 law firm that mainly handles it. 438 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:10,620 And if our listeners don't know, Johnny Cochran famously defended O.J. Simpson. 439 00:26:10,620 --> 00:26:15,040 And that is how he became, or maybe he was a famous lawyer before that. 440 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,040 I don't know. 441 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:21,940 I was very young at the time, but I know that is kind of like how he is forever in pop culture 442 00:26:21,940 --> 00:26:24,600 is the O.J. Simpson case. 443 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:30,720 The family also hires the legal firm because they are having trouble getting all the reports 444 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:36,280 that the American Airlines, Private Eye, like American Airlines isn't being forthcoming 445 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,080 with giving the family all that information. 446 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,640 So they hire a law firm so they can get all the information to find their mother. 447 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:50,360 So April 2002, four months missing, American Airlines offers a $10,000 reward, again, because 448 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,880 they're so gracious. 449 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,720 And on April 18th, Joe files a lawsuit against American Airlines. 450 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,160 In response to the lawsuit, you're going to love this, in response to the lawsuit, the 451 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,840 American Airline lawyer suggests that the couple could be conspiring to defraud the 452 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,840 airline. 453 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:12,000 They're like, well, maybe she's just hiding for four months. 454 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:18,240 This 90, sorry, this 95 pound 70 year old woman with Alzheimer's is swindling American 455 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,240 Airlines. 456 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,240 Yeah. 457 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,400 And then her 63 year old recovering from hip surgery husband. 458 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,760 Swindling. 459 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,600 That's the vibe American Airlines is going with. 460 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,600 Yes. 461 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,600 Okay. 462 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,600 That's their stance. 463 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:37,680 The family attorney, so this is Bruce South, and he is a lawyer at Johnny Cochran's law 464 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:38,680 firm. 465 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,200 He believes that she was abducted by an airport employee. 466 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,520 And he says, quote, she's either dead somewhere or is being housed by someone, end quote. 467 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,400 The airline, of course, wants to settle the lawsuit outside of court. 468 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,960 But Candace Price, she says, quote, how are you going to try to settle when you still 469 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,960 haven't found my mother? 470 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,960 Yeah. 471 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:57,960 Yeah. 472 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,760 What do you mean settle? 473 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:00,760 Settle what? 474 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,760 Yeah. 475 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,840 Settle your own delusions and come back to earth? 476 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:05,840 Yeah. 477 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,920 If that's the case, let's settle it quick, American Airlines, because y'all got me fucked 478 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,200 up on this one. 479 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,200 Okay. 480 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:19,440 On September 27th, 2002, nine months missing, the family revived the lawsuit for $75 million, 481 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,440 which I'm like, get it. 482 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,440 Do it. 483 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,440 Yeah. 484 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,240 I'm like, do it for a billion dollars. 485 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,160 They have it, and you deserve it. 486 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:35,480 And it's revealed at this time that American Airlines misidentified Margie as an unaccompanied 487 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,420 minor instead of an Alzheimer's passenger. 488 00:28:39,420 --> 00:28:42,440 So they had her marked down as- 489 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,440 A child. 490 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,440 A child, essentially. 491 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,240 And I'm still like, so y'all are good with losing a child still? 492 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,240 Yeah. 493 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,560 Like, if she had been an unaccompanied minor, like- 494 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,960 Yeah, you saying that doesn't make it any better. 495 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,960 No, it just- 496 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:56,960 Honestly, it makes it worse. 497 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,320 Yeah, it makes it look worse for you. 498 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,560 March of 2003, Margie's been missing for over a year at this point. 499 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,560 Okay. 500 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,560 Joe and American Airlines settle outside of court, and the amount is not disclosed, 501 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,520 which means I think the airline paid out of their fucking nose. 502 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,920 And then that's all we kind of hear for 2003. 503 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:25,240 In January of 2004, so two years missing, a skull is found on airport grounds and later 504 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,640 skeleton remains. 505 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:34,520 But it turns out the skeleton remains are of a man's body, so it's not Margie. 506 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:41,400 And later in the year of 2004, $100,000 reward is going to be offered for information for 507 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,840 Margie. 508 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,640 Nothing happens in 2005, nothing happens in 2006. 509 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:54,160 And the family hopes that Margie is still alive and that somebody found her and is caring 510 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,360 for her. 511 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:01,040 And that's like what the family like hangs onto is that she's, you know, she has Alzheimer's, 512 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,440 so she's not able to communicate where she's from, who she is. 513 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,680 So somebody has just found her and is caring for her is what the family is like hoping 514 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,440 for and living on. 515 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,720 Just shy of six years since the last time Margie was seen. 516 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,480 So this is November 26th of 2007. 517 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,320 The Lewisville PD are called to Lewisville Lake. 518 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,840 And this is about 15 miles north of the Dallas Fort Worth airport. 519 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,400 The Army Corps of Engineers were conducting a controlled burn near the dam that sits there 520 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,520 and revealed a human skull and bones. 521 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,680 The body of a woman is found and at this time she remains unidentified. 522 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,700 October 2008. 523 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:45,080 So seven years Margie has been missing. 524 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,120 Another controlled burn is done in an adjacent field from where the skeleton remains were 525 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,120 found. 526 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,480 So the Army Corps of Engineers is conducting another controlled burn in an adjacent field. 527 00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:04,040 During the burn, they find Margie's ID, bus pass, AARP card, her American Airlines tag, 528 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,440 and the clothes she was last seen in. 529 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:12,000 So that's all found in this field adjacent to where the remains were found. 530 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:19,240 Police asked the family for DNA to compare to the skeletal remains they found in 2007. 531 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,640 The family hopes at this point that she just fell into a diabetic coma and passed away 532 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,640 peacefully. 533 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,120 So they know she is no longer alive and nobody is caring for her the way that they originally 534 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,120 hoped. 535 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:36,800 But now they hope that she died peacefully and just kind of fell asleep. 536 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:42,320 And police believe it unlikely that she walked to where her remains were found due to the 537 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,880 distance and her age. 538 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,240 So this is 15 miles north and through some wooded terrain. 539 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,680 So they do not believe that she wandered there on her own. 540 00:31:52,680 --> 00:32:01,400 So Friday, November 14, 2008, DNA confirms that the bones found November 26, 2007 are 541 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,840 confirmed to be Margie's. 542 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,840 So those skeletal remains are Margie's and the family is informed. 543 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,240 On November 17, 2008, an autopsy is done on the remains. 544 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,660 And the case is officially declared a homicide at this point. 545 00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:23,220 On her skull, there is a fracture and the nature of the fracture indicated that Margie 546 00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:27,200 was either hit or shot in the head. 547 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,800 But they specifically say she did not fall. 548 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:36,440 Like this could not have happened from an accidental fall, which in my mind when I was 549 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,300 reading this, I was like, would they be able to tell if she fell? 550 00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:44,180 Because again, you know, she's an older woman. 551 00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:48,640 Like could she have fallen and hit her head and died that way? 552 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,280 But they very specifically say she did not fall. 553 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,440 Like it is a homicide. 554 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,500 And something in my bones tells me that if they could have gotten away with calling it 555 00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:01,640 anything other than a homicide, they would have. 556 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,640 You know what I mean? 557 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:09,640 Like this old woman who had Alzheimer's that wandered away, got lost in airport, turns 558 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,120 up seven years later. 559 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,760 Like I think they would have tried really hard to find any other reason but homicide 560 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,240 that this woman died. 561 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,600 It is officially declared a homicide. 562 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,800 And the autopsy cannot determine when or where she died. 563 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,440 So we don't know how quickly after she went missing she died. 564 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,740 Joe is in disbelief that his wife has been murdered. 565 00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:37,400 He's still alive seven years later. 566 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,240 He's yeah, he's at this point, he's only 70. 567 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:47,400 And Candice, her daughter, who had been searching and had been hoping for the best alternative 568 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,960 says, quote, to get this news that somebody hit her upside her head, you can't prepare 569 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,560 yourself for this. 570 00:33:53,560 --> 00:34:02,680 January of 2009, police reveal that there's no security footage anywhere from the day 571 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,240 she went missing of her or Joe. 572 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,640 So no cameras in the airport caught her. 573 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,280 They didn't or they were fucked with. 574 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,280 Right. 575 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,720 Well, that's the question, right? 576 00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:18,940 How does that happen? 577 00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:21,500 How does that happen after 9-11? 578 00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:24,820 Not a single camera caught them in the airport. 579 00:34:24,820 --> 00:34:25,820 Not a single one. 580 00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:34,240 And this was like 40 days after 9-11 or like, well, no, it could September, October, November. 581 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:35,240 Okay. 582 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:36,240 60 days. 583 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:40,320 I mean, I flew, again, I was like 12. 584 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:47,200 I flew six months after 9-11 and I remember security being crazy, like flying this time. 585 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:53,760 Like I had flown before with my family, but like I remember how picked up the security 586 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,760 was to this day. 587 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,120 I remember that flight, like how secure it really was, you know? 588 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,760 And so that's the question. 589 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,200 Like, so it's Dallas Fort Worth, but you know, not prepared. 590 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:13,160 Think about what I've experienced as a trans person walking through TSA. 591 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,960 If I were to say like this person, like this was my experience. 592 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,360 I was touched inappropriately. 593 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,480 I was talked to inappropriately. 594 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,320 It was handled inappropriately. 595 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:31,880 I would bet my life that there would be no cameras, like no footage of that to be like, 596 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,120 oh yeah, that is what happened. 597 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,440 We will like work on that behavior. 598 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,600 So I'm like, I get it. 599 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:48,200 They don't have our best interests in mind, in my opinion, in walking through an airport. 600 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,240 Well, yeah. 601 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,200 And you know, it begs the question. 602 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,640 So it's like, okay, was Dallas Fort Worth not secure after 9-11? 603 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,640 Was that just it? 604 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,960 They had no cameras at all? 605 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,840 Or y'all lying? 606 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,040 Y'all be lying. 607 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:09,480 Yeah, like the cameras outside, like what I don't understand with like, okay, so a pilot 608 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,160 saw an old woman wandering around outside of the tarmac and like that wasn't an immediate 609 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,720 like turn on all of the sirens at the airport. 610 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:22,880 Like a rando is walking around where planes are lifting off. 611 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,760 That doesn't make any sense to me. 612 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,760 Yeah. 613 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,640 There's a lot about it that doesn't make sense because in theory, a woman should not be able 614 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:38,280 to disappear without a trace from the third largest airport in the world. 615 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:44,760 That should be very difficult to do, but this 70-year-old Alzheimer's patient did it flawlessly. 616 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,440 No, poof, disappeared without a trace. 617 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,120 Are you kidding me? 618 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,120 Yeah, so please have no leads. 619 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,540 Marge- So collectively, you and I, we call shade. 620 00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:56,240 We call shade. 621 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,240 We're calling shade on the whole ordeal. 622 00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,560 We call shade on American Airlines. 623 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,240 We call shade on Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. 624 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:03,920 Shade, shade, shade. 625 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,920 For shame. 626 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:12,040 But if you out there are listeners who I know, I'm sure you're also throwing shade. 627 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:18,560 If you have any information about what happened to Marge or maybe you were flying during that 628 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,920 time and saw an old woman that sticks out in your mind, because again, this was so close 629 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:31,440 after 9-11, a lot of those first airport memories live in people's brains of flying after 9-11, 630 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,200 what that was like. 631 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:41,840 So if you heard somebody, anybody, if anybody knows anything about this, please contact 632 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:49,760 the Lewisville Police Department at 972-219-3640. 633 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:56,760 The sources for today's podcast come from the City of Lewisville, Bakersfield.com, WFAA 634 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:03,400 News, The New York Times, Fort Worth Star Telegram, The Birmingham Post Herald, The 635 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:10,360 Sacramento Bee, The San Angelo Standard Times, The Miami Herald, Longview Daily News, The 636 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:16,400 Courier, The Indianapolis Star, Austin American Statesman, The Salina Journal, The Fresno 637 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:25,560 Bee, Corpus Christi Collar Times, Lancaster New Era, The Modesto Bee, and Longview News 638 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,560 Journal. 639 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:27,560 Wow. 640 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,520 Thank you for all of that digging you did. 641 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,120 Well, I just couldn't believe it. 642 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:40,720 I feel like I'm going to say this after every case, but it's like how a busy airport in 643 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,400 broad daylight and nobody sees her. 644 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:50,000 You know, we watched that documentary last night, What Happened to Andy, and so much 645 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:58,280 in that documentary, they talk about the egos that are in place at different police departments, 646 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:08,360 the egos that are built into just like capitalism, and wanting to withhold information, wanting 647 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:15,280 to hide information, wanting to control how it is let out, wanting to be the one who breaks 648 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,320 the case, wanting to be the one that covers up the case. 649 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,320 Right. 650 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:29,920 There's, you know, when one person dies, you can like times that number by like a couple 651 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:36,440 thousand of how many people are involved surrounding that one person in solving the case. 652 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:45,560 So many new things and emotions and egos and politics are introduced to that person's death. 653 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,160 And it's really unfortunate that it happens that way. 654 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,160 Yeah. 655 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,960 Because it should be like the ultimate goal is like just bring this person home and stop. 656 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,960 You know, like that's it. 657 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,560 But yeah, they withhold information. 658 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,400 You know, it's the idea, well, I found this info. 659 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,640 You got to go find it if you want it. 660 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:08,280 That's like, well, in the coming up with like stories based off of knowledge that they grabbed 661 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:15,480 from the air above them that that these people were somehow swindling the airport, you know, 662 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,720 like like introducing that new storyline. 663 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:22,120 It's like, why would you you are muddying this on on purpose? 664 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,120 Yes. 665 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,120 Yeah. 666 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,160 You're trying to introduce to buy time to push time. 667 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,160 Exactly. 668 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,560 You're trying to introduce doubt that introduced out and release fault responsibility. 669 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:32,560 Yeah. 670 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,560 Accountability. 671 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,560 Right. 672 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,320 Because ultimately, it's the airline and the airport. 673 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,960 They I mean, the family says this again and again in interviews with them, but it's like 674 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,440 they lost her like a piece of luggage and they treat it like it's a piece of luggage. 675 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,240 Like like it's not serious. 676 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:50,280 Like it's not their mother. 677 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,280 It's not their wife. 678 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,020 It's not a grandmother. 679 00:40:53,020 --> 00:40:54,020 It's not somebody. 680 00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:58,160 You know, they were just like, oh, well, you lost your luggage. 681 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,520 Please fill out this report. 682 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,520 We'll send you $10. 683 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,520 The fuck. 684 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,520 All right. 685 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,520 Wow. 686 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,360 Those are our thoughts. 687 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,520 We look forward to hearing what you have to say about this episode. 688 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,520 Yes. 689 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:16,960 If you are enjoying what we're doing here and are enjoying the podcast, please subscribe 690 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,640 to us, rate and review it. 691 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,480 Tell your friends about it. 692 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,180 Ultimately, our goal is to get as many ears on these stories as possible because somebody 693 00:41:26,180 --> 00:41:27,400 out there knows something. 694 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,400 So spread it around. 695 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,400 Yeah. 696 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,640 And we'll be, we'll be back next week. 697 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,280 We hope you have a great week. 698 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,600 Thank you for listening. 699 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,600 Yeah. 700 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:58,960 I love you too!