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Yeah let's just dive into this week's case.

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Let's do it.

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So we're talking about Corinne Perry and this is a cold case from 1983 in Creston, Iowa.

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So Creston is along the southern part of the state.

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It's near the Missouri border.

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In the 2000 census, Creston had less than 10,000 people so it's a pretty small town.

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If you think of 10,000 people, that's smaller than a lot of college campuses, so pretty

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small.

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According to the FBI, a person has a one in 36 chance of becoming a victim of either violent

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crimes or property crimes in Creston, Iowa.

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So it's kind of a rough spot of Iowa it seems like.

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It has a higher crime rate than the rest of the state.

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You say property crime?

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Property crime.

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Like someone just stealing your home?

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Or like arson.

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Or like ruining your property.

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Yeah, more or less ruining your property.

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I think the only way they could steal it is if it had wheels.

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Sometimes they do.

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Sometimes they do.

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Yeah.

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But I think those are the only homes that are prime for stealing.

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Yeah, you can't just yank a home.

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You know what though, some wall cabins though, they like yank up and move around.

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I know, and like double wads.

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Yeah, so you know what, you can steal a home.

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You can yank a home.

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You can yank a home.

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Alright, so Corinne Perry, she was born August 28th, 1965 at an air base in Libya where her

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father was stationed in the Air Force at the time.

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Her parents are Don Perry and Barbara Perry.

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At the time that she goes missing, her parents are divorced and she lives with her mother

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in Creston, but her father is close by in Kent, Iowa, so he's not too far.

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Kent is a nearby town of Creston.

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Don and Barbara Perry, they have four daughters together and this is a very blue collar family,

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so Don, the dad, he works at the county water system.

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He like does service there and Barbara, the mother, she's a home health aide for the

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elderly.

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April of 1983, Corinne is just one month shy of her high school graduation and at her high

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school she loves acting.

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She was part of a lot of the shows at Creston High School.

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She was also part of the mime troupe that the high school still had.

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A thespian you say.

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A thespian, yes.

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She was an actor and she had recently just won a scholarship.

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Wait, is this cold or missing?

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This is cold.

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No.

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So she had just received a scholarship to Simpsons College in Indianola, Iowa where

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she planned to double major in acting and psychology.

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I know we both know that person who has doubled majored in actor and psychology.

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You and me.

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Yeah.

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I know I went into college being like maybe I'll double major in psychology.

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Let me get to the depths of myself to where I'm no longer a human being.

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Totally.

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So at the time she went missing, her speech and drama teacher said this, quote, at first

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most people didn't know what to think, but they're beginning to take it seriously.

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Corinne was very excited about the scholarship.

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There have been a lot of positive things happen to her at school.

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She's had an excellent year in winning speech and acting awards.

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And she actually won the scholarship by doing a monologue from Veronica's Room.

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Are you familiar with this play?

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Most likely.

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So it was written by Ira Levine, best known for writing Rosemary's Baby.

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So it's a dark play.

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Oh, I love Rosemary's Baby.

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In the play, a woman is lured to a home where she's held against her will and ultimately

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murdered.

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So that's the monologue that she did.

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And it's really like a crazy play.

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Like I was reading a quick synopsis of it and it's like this main character, she looks

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like somebody that the family had lost, like a sister or something like that.

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So they like trap her into like kind of relive this thing and then they all murder her.

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I don't know.

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It was like a very dark play though.

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Oh, that sounds like the movie Mother with Jennifer Lawrence.

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But that's like a whole, you're describing that movie right now.

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Well, there's also like an incest factor in the play.

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So maybe this is based off of that then.

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Like this play is weird.

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Corinne is described by her classmates as intelligent, tall, striking, and someone who

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chose her friends carefully, which I thought was such an interesting way to describe somebody.

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Like someone who chooses their friends carefully.

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Like that's somebody who is like careful and cautious, you know?

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And at 17 or 18, I think that's very interesting to say about someone of that age.

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I wasn't conscious of shit.

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No.

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I was like, yeah, you want my MySpace?

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Have it.

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I'm not going to do that.

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At the time she disappeared, she was five foot seven with strawberry blonde hair, gray

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eyes, a fair complexion, and weighing 115 pounds.

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So she is little.

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She's very small.

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Probably pretty strong though.

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Probably strong.

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Totally.

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Her last known whereabouts.

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Sunday, April 17th, 1983.

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So again, this is just a month shy of her graduation.

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Corinne took the car that she shared with her mother at around 610 at night to head to the

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Highlander laundromat.

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And the Highlander laundromat is on Highway 34 in Creston.

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And it's near like a lot of motels.

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So this is like a highway that runs from the suburbs of Chicago to Colorado.

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So it's a pretty long highway.

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It runs right through Creston.

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Three witnesses are at the laundromat and later are interviewed.

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So we know she gets to the laundromat.

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We know she's there and we know she's washing her clothes.

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Corinne was drying her clothes.

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And so according to witnesses and newspaper reports, this laundromat, like typically when

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I think of a laundromat, it's like all the washers are in one place and like the dryers

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are usually up against the wall, right?

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But for this laundromat, the dryers were in a separate room from the washers.

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And a man was in the dryer room as well.

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This man has never been interviewed by police and police really want to talk to this man.

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He's described as early to mid 20s, six foot tall, medium length brown hair, clean

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shaven, aviator style glasses with light frames, like light colored frames.

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And he was wearing a tan jacket at the time.

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So Corinne leaves the laundromat at around 830.

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The man puts his clothes in a cardboard box and leaves right after Corinne.

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Witnesses don't remember the two of them talking or interacting at all.

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So there's three other witnesses.

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There was like a man and a woman, like a married couple there washing their clothes and they

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never specify the third person, but I would assume it's kind of the attendance that works

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there.

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Yeah, maybe that's what I would assume.

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Well, maybe because it's the 80s, there's no cameras.

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So witnesses don't remember the two of them talking.

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Police want to talk to this man, but he's never tracked down.

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And this is the last time that Corinne is seen alive is her walking out of the laundromat

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with this man walking out right behind her.

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Her mother, Barbara, begins to worry when Corinne doesn't come home.

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She and her other daughters start calling Corinne's friends, but nobody has seen her.

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Finally, at around midnight, it's 1158 PM.

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Barbara calls the police.

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Barbara truly thinks that they're going to find her out joyriding and just like hanging

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out with a friend or something.

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They're going to be like, Hey, your mom wants you home like you're in trouble.

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You got to get home.

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But police don't find her and police treat her as a runaway, even though she has never

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done this before.

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And her parents say it's very unlikely at 1130 PM, the same night that Corinne disappears,

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her purse is found by a runaway.

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I'm sorry.

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I just like need to go back to why she had plans after school, like after graduation.

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Yeah, like I said, like she had won the scholarship.

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She had been running away from exactly her like being very successful in her life.

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Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

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And she was very excited to graduate, which was happening in a month.

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Like she was about to walk, you know, did she have a partner or anything?

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It's not mentioned at the time if she had a boyfriend, if she was seeing any.

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So the cops were just like runaway.

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We have decided that.

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Yeah, so they treat it like a runaway initially.

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So at 1130 PM, the night that Corinne disappears, her purse is found by a man sitting on a highway

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bridge over the West Platte River.

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But it'll take a week and a half for the man to turn it into police.

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So we'll come back to the purse.

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But her purse is found the night that she goes missing.

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Okay, so Monday, April 18th, 1983.

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So this is the next day after Corinne goes missing, but we're still kind of working

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through the night here.

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So just after midnight, her car is found at the laundromat.

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So it's still at the laundromat where she was last seen.

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And presumably, she made it to her car because her clothes are folded neatly on the front

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seat.

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So the clothes that she had just washed are in the car in the front seat.

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And even though despite this clue, the police will continue to treat it as a runaway at

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this point.

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So she doesn't have a car, she doesn't have her clothes, and she doesn't have her purse,

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but the police don't know this yet.

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On Monday, April 25th, 1983, so this is over a week after she's been missing, police assume

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she would show up or call her family or something.

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There's been no word from Corinne.

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And police acknowledge that young folks who run away are usually heard from within a week.

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And so the police decide to run her name and picture in the paper asking if anybody has

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seen anything.

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On Wednesday, April 27th, 1983, late that night, while her father is falling asleep,

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her father Don, he gets a phone call from a young woman who said Corinne's nine miles

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north of Oskala and immediately hangs up.

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Don thinks that it could have been Corinne who was calling but wasn't sure.

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The caller had a hard time pronouncing her Rs, which is something that Corinne had trouble

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with as a child.

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I don't think this is Corinne.

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And yeah, I don't think this was Corinne.

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She's been doing speech and drama.

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I'm sure she has worked that speech impediment out of having trouble pronouncing her Rs,

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if she's winning speech competitions.

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In the 1980s, they were very ableist, so if you had a speech impediment, they were going

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to be like, no, you lost.

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It's sad, but it may have just been a really hopeful thought on her dad's part, or just

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hoping that that was the last time I heard from her.

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Totally.

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I don't really know what goes on in people's minds with that type of loss.

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Yeah, totally.

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I would imagine anything is a sign.

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And if you're asleep?

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Police search the area indicated by the woman, but they find nothing.

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And so later on, it's not specified when this other phone call comes, but Don gets another

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phone call and that's left on his answering machine.

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And the voice is difficult to understand due to static and the caller is whispering.

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And all the caller is saying is, it's not easy.

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It's not easy.

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Over and over again.

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Don was spooked by this call.

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Like he said, this one scared him, but no.

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It scared the Don.

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It scared Don, Mr. Don Perry.

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But no real answers on who made these calls, if they were just like horrible pranks.

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I don't know.

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On Thursday, April 28th, the person who found Corinne's purse comes forward and hands it

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over to police.

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And he comes forward because he read about it in the paper.

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So this is why it takes him a week and a half roughly to give the purse over to the police

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because the police were treating it as a runaway and he had no idea this purse he found was

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from a missing teenager.

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The purse is found about seven miles away from the laundromat between Kent, Iowa and

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Lenox, Iowa.

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So this is like on the way out of town.

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And even though it's going towards Kent, Iowa, which is where her father lived at that time,

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there was no reason for her to be going over there that evening or to be headed in that

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direction at all.

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And again, the car that she was driving was found at the laundromat.

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So she would have had to have gotten in a car with somebody to get that far away or

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walk that far.

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Police and family believe that the purse was placed as opposed to thrown from a car because

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fragile items in the purse were not broken.

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The purse was found like on a highway bridge, essentially like going over a river.

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Inside of her purse were glasses and makeup.

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And these are the fragile items that were not broken at all.

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So none of her makeup was busted or broken, which I'm thinking about like 80s makeup and

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like compacts, you know, that like shattered so easily.

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And her glasses.

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So those are the fragile items.

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Those weren't broken.

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Those were safe in her purse.

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Her driver's license was there, a phone card was there.

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And the only thing missing from her purse are photos of her friends, which according

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to her family, she treasured her photos of her friends.

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And those were the only thing missing from her purse.

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I wonder if, you know, she was abducted.

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If she somehow like if the window was rolled down, she dropped it as like a come find me.

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It was like a marker.

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You know, sometimes people do that.

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They'll leave like a shirt behind or some sort of item in hopes of leaving a clue if

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someone comes looking.

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Well, the only thing that makes them think that it was like somebody stopped and placed

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it there as opposed to just drop it from a moving car.

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It would have been thrown off the bridge.

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Or if it was if it was like just being discarded.

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So I agree with you.

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I think it was placed, but I just don't necessarily think it was placed by just the abductor.

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I think it's possible that it was her too.

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It could be.

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I because I know how this story.

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Oh, yeah.

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Damn it.

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Look at me playing detective and you already know.

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Yeah, I'm like, but that's pretty smart of me.

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Yeah, I but I don't I think it was placed there by whoever abducted current.

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Okay.

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Well, you know, so now with her glasses being in her purse, her family says that she could

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not function without her glasses.

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Her mother says she would have a splitting headache within 30 minutes if she didn't

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wear them or her contacts and she did not have her contact.

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She only had her glasses at this time.

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So after finding her glasses, police then suspect foul play.

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And that evening they request the help of the DCI to investigate.

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And that's the Division of Criminal Investigation for the state of Iowa.

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So as soon as they find her glasses, her family's like she can't function without her glasses.

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She can't see without her glasses and she's going to have a migraine in 30 minutes if

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she's not wearing them.

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They're like, oh, well, maybe she's not a runaway.

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She'd probably take her glasses with her if she was a runaway.

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So now they are suspecting foul play and they call in the DCI.

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That Friday, the DCI officially joins the investigation.

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Could you clarify what the DCI stands for?

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Yeah.

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The Division of Criminal Investigation for the state of Iowa.

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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On Tuesday, May 3rd, police run the story in the paper hoping to generate new tips and

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leads.

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But at this time they're very honest and they say they have no leads, but they're still

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trying to find the man who left after her.

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And at this point in the papers, they're treating him as a potential witness and not a suspect.

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So they're saying he's not a suspect.

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Like we just want to talk to him.

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We just want to talk to him in hopes that he'll come forward.

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On Sunday, May 15th, 1983, the Creston police chief is quoted in the paper as saying, in

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the 18 years I've been in police work, I've never had a case like this.

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End quote.

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On May 10th, the family, along with Corinne's church, offers a $2,500 reward, but no leads.

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The next week, on May 15th, Barbara, Corinne's mother, is interviewed in the paper.

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And she's terrified for her daughter.

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And this is what she's quoted as saying.

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I've continued to work.

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Those people need me too.

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They have been very thoughtful.

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I don't know what might happen.

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I really don't want to think of anything bad happening to her.

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They might harm her body, but they cannot touch her soul.

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That would be the worst thing that could happen to her.

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End quote.

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So I just like feel so bad for Barbara that she's working while her daughter is missing.

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Like something about that, like, and I know it happens to like missing people every single

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day.

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A loved one goes missing and like you have to work because that's the society we live

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in.

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Like you have to keep paying your bills even though your life stopped that day your loved

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one went missing.

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Like you are in this limbo.

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Like I just thinking of her like going to work just broke my heart.

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It really did.

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I felt so bad for her.

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On Sunday, May 22nd, 1983, Corinne's classmates graduate without her.

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It had been debated for a while if they were going to postpone the graduation ceremony

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in hopes that she would come back.

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But they ultimately decided to go ahead with it.

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And like having to quote move forward, you know, it's like keeps going and that's, you're

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very right.

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It's heartbreaking.

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Yeah, it's cruel.

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It's like cruel for these families that their time has stopped, but time keeps moving forward.

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Like, but they are always going to be stuck there until their loved one comes home completely

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fine and then they'll be able to move forward.

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But it's like no matter what, like anything outside of their loved one coming home completely

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fine and just being like, I got lost.

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You know, changes and you know, potentially like ruins their lives forever.

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Totally.

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Tuesday, May 31st, 1983, police searched the West Platte River that runs under the bridge

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where her purse was found.

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So this is the third time that police have searched this river, but they want to keep

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searching because the water levels have changed.

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So every time the water level kind of changes significantly, they go back in and search

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to see if anything has come up.

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And so they search basically from where her purse was found and downstream from there.

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Did they do the rakes like drag?

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It's not mentioned, but I imagine if they are searching the river, they are dragging

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it, at least sections of it, I would imagine.

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But yeah, they go basically from where her purse was found down river to see if they

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can find her or any clues for her.

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So now we're entering the summertime.

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This is June of 1983.

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Corrine's family, along with her church, start a nonprofit called Corrine Perry Support Group

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Incorporated.

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And this is to handle the donations to pay for private eyes, to store the reward funds.

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And they are helped in setting up this nonprofit group by the family of Johnny Gosh.

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A lot of our listeners may recognize that name.

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He's a very famous missing boy from Iowa as well.

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And he went missing September 5th, 1982, so this would have been six months, roughly before

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Corrine disappeared.

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And he was delivering the newspaper when he was kidnapped.

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Is he from Creston?

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He's not from Creston, but he is close by.

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He's maybe an hour away in Iowa.

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And Johnny Gosh, his case will completely dominate the news.

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He becomes the first kid on the missing milk bottle.

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That's kind of how he is famous that we're so well known.

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But then later as well, another paper boy from Iowa is going to be kidnapped as well.

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So they really dominate the news.

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And Corrine just doesn't get as much media attention because these two paper boys really

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dominate the news.

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But Johnny Gosh's family does assist Corrine's family in getting this set up.

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And Corrine's support group, they're headquartered at the church and they have like a big bulletin

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board there with pictures of her, articles about her.

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And they also keep a vase of fake roses because just like the roses will never die, their

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hope will never die.

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And Barbara is quoted as, some weekends are horrible.

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That's when I try to keep very, very busy.

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If I stop, I end up crying on somebody's shoulder, end quote.

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And I'm like, girl, yeah, cry on somebody's shoulder.

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It's okay.

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So summer comes and goes, no real new leads, no sign of Corrine at all.

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In the fall of 1983, police are expecting an influx of hunters during the hunting season.

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So police post Corrine's info in motels, hoping that the hunters could keep an eye out in

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the woods for any sign of her.

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I think that's kind of a smart move because you know these people are going to be in the

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woods and off of trails and like in the woods for hours.

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So yeah, like.

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And that's usually how people are found is just like someone's walking their dog.

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Someone's went hunting.

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Yeah.

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So in February of 1984, so fall comes and goes, Christmas comes and goes, Corrine is

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still.

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All that would have been her freshman year.

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Yeah.

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So she would have started her freshman year at Simpson College, but that comes and goes.

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So now we're into February of 1984 and police are giving an update on the case and they

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said they have sent her photo to truck stops, hospitals, law enforcement and to kind of

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tailor it specifically to Corrine.

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They also send her photo to summer and amateur theaters in case she ran off to start her

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acting career as well as optometrist offices because her family says her vision is so bad,

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she would have to get glasses or contacts and her only pair of glasses were found in

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the purse.

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If she is still alive and out there, she would need to get glasses at some point.

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So they send it to optometrist offices as well.

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I don't know why, but that like extra fact just like, just like really like pokes at

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my like most tender spot.

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Her not having her glasses, I think because like I am this, I am similar.

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You are too.

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Yeah.

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To be like in that situation and also to not be able to see.

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Yeah.

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And like possibly, I'm sure adrenaline would maybe keep the pain down from in your head

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to still not, to not be able to read road signs like if you're still alive.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you know, glasses are a mobility aid.

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It's an aid and it's like if you don't have it, like the world is very different and more

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difficult for you, you know, like for sure.

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Yeah.

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Cause I'm always like, Oh no, I forgot my glasses and it could like, you know, I can't

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like watch a movie.

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I can't watch a play.

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Like I just feel it in my bones.

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Also I think maybe as someone who wears glasses, it's like, if you don't have them, like you're

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installing like, I don't have my glasses.

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You're like, it becomes like a worry thing for you.

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You're like, I don't have my glasses.

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I don't, I gotta get my glasses.

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I worry about my glasses as much as I worry about like losing my phone.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They're on the same tier of worry.

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Yeah.

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Like phone keys, glasses, wallet.

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Like I need all of those to function.

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So we're still in February, 1984.

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Police say that they have interviewed around 200 people at this point and they don't know

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any more now than on the day she disappeared.

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That's what they say.

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And I'm like, that's thank you for your honesty, but that sucks.

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Like you don't know anything more than the day she disappeared.

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That sucks.

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The support group continues to meet every Thursday and her mother remains optimistic

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that she'll turn up alive.

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So on Monday, September 17th, 1984, so this is fall of 1984.

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So she would have been a sophomore at this point in college or starting her sophomore

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year.

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At 6 a.m.

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Barbara is awoken by a phone call from a man calling and asking for Curran.

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Barbara says she isn't here right now.

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And when he starts to hang up, Barbara quickly asks how he knows her.

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And he says that he had seen her around Creston in the last few days and then he hangs up.

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Police are unable to determine if it's a prank or if it's a legit sighting.

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So Saturday, November 3rd, 1984, at 11 a.m. in North Lennox, two boys are in a heavily

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wooded area pheasant hunting and they find a human skull and other bones scattered along

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a dried stream bed.

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And this location where they find the skull and the bones is about 100 yards from an abandoned

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Burlington Northern Railroad track and a quarter of a mile north of a gravel road.

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So it's very heavily wooded and very rural, abandoned, not a lot of folks out there.

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This location is also about a mile away from where her purse was found, but it's upstream

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from the bridge where only downstream had been searched before.

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That's still bizarre to me that they were like, we'll just start from right here.

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Like, yeah, that's bonkers to me.

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It doesn't make a lot of sense, but I don't know if this is just like we're living in

479
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,600
the year 2022 and we know like, OK, you've got to search both directions in a stream

480
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,000
now, not just downstream.

481
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,760
Like, well, if I took my earring out and dropped it to the left of me, I would look at the

482
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,920
entire floor surrounding me, not just one side of it, right?

483
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,960
Not just to the left side.

484
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,200
Yeah, but police never searched this area originally.

485
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:17,240
So the bones are Corinne's and only her skull, hip, leg and neck bones are found.

486
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:22,000
Police searched the area around where her body was found for additional bones, personal

487
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,900
items, clues and clothing, but nothing is found on this day.

488
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:32,120
And that evening, police officially confirmed that it's Corinne via dental records.

489
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:33,600
She has been found.

490
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:40,200
On Monday, November 5th, 1984, state and local law enforcement began an intense investigation

491
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,720
to see if they can determine the cause of death.

492
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,760
Ultimately, due to the incomplete skeleton and amount of decomposition, a cause of death

493
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,920
could not be determined.

494
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,040
Police returned to the woods to continue to search for clues.

495
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,480
And on this day, the police will find clothes connected to Corinne.

496
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,000
But the condition is so poor, no additional information can be gathered.

497
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,760
According to the newspaper, they had been underwater and exposed to the elements.

498
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,160
So like they had just been, there was no evidentiary value to them.

499
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,480
How did they know they were hers?

500
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,480
I think it's the clothes she was last seen in.

501
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,720
So they had a description of what she was wearing.

502
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,320
So there was some sort of confirmation that happened that they were hers?

503
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,320
They were her clothing.

504
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,320
Yes.

505
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,320
Okay.

506
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,320
Yeah.

507
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,080
But there's no evidence that can be collected from them.

508
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Sure.

509
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,800
And there's no clues to indicate how she died.

510
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,760
So there's no bullet wound in the skull.

511
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:42,360
There's no, in her clothes, not that I'm aware, but no stab, puncture, blood.

512
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,320
Was there any indication of dismemberment?

513
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,280
But you would need more bones?

514
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,440
Yeah, you would need everything.

515
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:54,160
You would need the complete skeleton to see, are there saw marks on bones?

516
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,160
That kind of thing.

517
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,040
So this is the same way her body is found.

518
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,680
Police continue to search for more of her bones to try to help determine the cause of

519
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,680
her death.

520
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,240
The bones police do have are in rough shape and they say police are going to continue

521
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,120
to test them, but I don't know what they're testing them for.

522
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,080
What results come from them never reported.

523
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:21,320
Barbara is devastated by the news, but she is glad to finally know where Corinne is.

524
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,840
And she 100% believes foul play is involved.

525
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,840
And she says, quote, she wouldn't have gone out and laid in a ditch, end quote.

526
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:34,540
And then police say from the beginning, they have considered the disappearance an abduction,

527
00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:35,720
but we know they're liars.

528
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,720
This is a lie.

529
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,240
They're saying this in the newspaper.

530
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,520
Lies, lies, lies of Manali, more lies.

531
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,520
Lies.

532
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,960
Like what's a keeping up with the Kardashian clip?

533
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Like you liar.

534
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,960
Like that's how I feel when I read this.

535
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,660
I'm like, you are lying through your teeth.

536
00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:54,680
You did not, you did not.

537
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,560
You talked about her being a runway.

538
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,560
Yeah.

539
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,560
Like you talked about it.

540
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,880
You said you acknowledge that like, oh, usually we hear from runaways by now.

541
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,960
So we'll guess we'll look into it a little bit more.

542
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,280
Like don't, don't play this game.

543
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,280
The lies you tell.

544
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,120
Don't try to come at the end and say, well, we always considered it an abduction.

545
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,680
Don't invite the devil into my home with your lies.

546
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,840
Don't invite the devil into my podcast with your lies.

547
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,840
Don't.

548
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,840
It's a liar.

549
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:22,320
A DCI agent, Sam Swain is quoted as saying, if we get any physical evidence that would

550
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,520
indicate a cause of death, we'll consider ourselves lucky, end quote.

551
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,720
So they do not know how she died.

552
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,960
There's not enough bones to figure that out.

553
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,520
And the bones they do have give no indication of how she died.

554
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,440
After her body is found, her high school starts a drama scholarship in her memory.

555
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,920
And then truly that's the last we really hear about Corinne.

556
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:52,860
In 2009, the DCI establishes a cold case unit and Corinne's case is assigned to the unit.

557
00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:56,460
But other than that, no arrests have ever been made.

558
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:59,960
No suspects have ever been named.

559
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:08,120
And her parents, Don and Barbara, her dad, I believe, passed away in 2001 and Barbara

560
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,560
passed away in 2017, I believe.

561
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,320
So they died not knowing.

562
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,360
So they both have died not knowing.

563
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,160
But she does have three sisters still who, you know, every now and then we'll meet with

564
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,440
the news and try just bring her case up again and keep her case alive.

565
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,440
Like her sister's one answer as to what happened to her.

566
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:34,360
Her sister's has a daughter that apparently is like a spitting image of Corinne and looks

567
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,600
just like her.

568
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,200
So the family does like she get the ginger hair.

569
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,280
Yeah, like she has a daughter that she says is like a spitting image of Corinne's and

570
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,600
she is quoted as saying like, I get to see my little sister all the time now.

571
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,800
And I think, yeah, like that's, that's really sweet.

572
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:52,800
That's really sweet.

573
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,800
Yeah.

574
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,160
But like they, you know, she still wants answers.

575
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,400
She still wants to know what happened to her sister.

576
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:05,920
Personally, I think that the man that followed her out holds the key to everything.

577
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,320
Yeah, like even if he didn't do it, he saw something because her car did not leave the

578
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,320
laundromat.

579
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,200
My brain is thinking that.

580
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:20,640
And the other big thing that's the yelling from the back of my mind is that big highway

581
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:27,000
that like runs from Chicago to Colorado, like through there, there's gotta be like randos

582
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,280
who fly through little towns like that and where they're just like able to.

583
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,280
Yeah.

584
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,640
And the laundromat was near like a bunch of roadside motels.

585
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:41,400
So there is a possibility that it was somebody passing through that maybe like saw this girl

586
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,440
in the laundromat and was just waiting.

587
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,440
Yeah.

588
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,400
And I'm assuming maybe it was that guy who maybe he's the guy in the laundromat.

589
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,400
Yeah.

590
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,200
He holds the key, whatever it is.

591
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,480
If he did not do it himself, if he did not cause current to disappear, he was the only

592
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,440
one out there within like five minutes of right.

593
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,280
And if her car never leaves that laundromat, she had to have gotten into a car with somebody.

594
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,280
So like he, if he did not do it, that man, I don't think she got into a car.

595
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,280
Yeah.

596
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,040
But willingly, I assume she would have needed a car though.

597
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,040
Like, yeah.

598
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,240
So that man, if it was not him that did it, he could have seen a car pull in, he could

599
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,160
have seen a car pull out.

600
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,680
He could have seen somebody speeding by, like, you know, he could have seen something.

601
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:35,560
But at this point, unless he was like somebody just passing through town and like not has

602
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:41,400
no reason to think about it again, like with all this news, like when she disappeared, when

603
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,880
they finally started running her name in the paper and everything, you would think he would

604
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,480
come forward and say, yeah, I saw her.

605
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,800
I am that man.

606
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:56,120
But maybe he is a traveler and was out the next day and like didn't come back to Creston

607
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,320
for a year.

608
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,880
And at that time, the case had died down and you know, Johnny Gosh was still being like

609
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,920
Johnny Gosh was the big national case out of Iowa.

610
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,560
Corinne never really left Iowa, you know?

611
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,560
Yeah.

612
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,760
Looking at all the newspapers, they all come from Iowa.

613
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,760
There was only like one from Minnesota that covered her disappearance.

614
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,080
But other than that, all the surrounding states, they didn't have anything in the newspaper

615
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,080
archives.

616
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,680
Maybe there is something that's just not listed online.

617
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:31,160
But so anyone who knows anything about Corinne Perry's disappearance in 1983 in Creston,

618
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:41,360
Iowa, they are encouraged to call the DCI at 515-725-60110 or the Creston Police Department

619
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,280
at 641-782-8402.

620
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:54,880
And sources for today's podcast comes from NBC News, The Dispatch, The Des Moines Register,

621
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,000
The Gazette of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Sioux City Journal, and The Courier.

622
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,000
But that's it.

623
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,320
That's Corinne Perry.

624
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,480
She is a cold case.

625
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,480
She deserves some answers.

626
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,400
Thank you all again for listening.

627
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,280
Join us next week.

628
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,000
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629
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,640
if you have a loved one that is missing or a cold case in your life that means a lot

630
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,760
to you, please reach out to us.

631
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,000
We'd love to cover those and put more eyes and ears on those stories.

632
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:33,440
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633
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,080
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634
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:41,000
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636
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637
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We want other people to hear this because somebody knows something somewhere and we

638
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,320
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639
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640
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641
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642
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