WEBVTT 00:00:08.269 --> 00:00:10.789 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and 00:00:10.789 --> 00:00:13.710 Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. All 00:00:13.710 --> 00:00:16.129 parties mentioned are considered innocent until 00:00:16.129 --> 00:00:18.929 proven guilty in a court of law. Cold and Missing 00:00:18.929 --> 00:00:22.390 also contains adult themes and languages. Listener 00:00:22.390 --> 00:00:26.230 discretion is advised. I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin 00:00:26.230 --> 00:00:29.030 -Sulkowski. And I'm your co -host, Eli Sulkowski. 00:00:29.250 --> 00:00:31.289 And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover 00:00:31.289 --> 00:00:34.789 cold cases and missing person cases. Hello everyone 00:00:34.789 --> 00:00:37.109 and welcome back to Cold and Missing. I'm your 00:00:37.109 --> 00:00:40.380 host, Ali. And I'm your co -host, Eli. Welcome 00:00:40.380 --> 00:00:43.420 back, everyone. As always, at the top, I just 00:00:43.420 --> 00:00:45.979 like to say thank you whenever we get like really 00:00:45.979 --> 00:00:49.219 kind reviews that come in. I'm blown away that 00:00:49.219 --> 00:00:51.780 people take the time to write as reviews. I know 00:00:51.780 --> 00:00:54.159 I ask every single week multiple times on the 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:57.079 podcast, but it still amazes me that folks take 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.740 the time to write as a review. And so many of 00:01:00.740 --> 00:01:03.380 you are so kind and so thoughtful. So thank you 00:01:03.380 --> 00:01:06.099 so much for taking the time to do that. And they 00:01:06.099 --> 00:01:10.180 mean a lot to Eli and I. I read all of them and 00:01:10.180 --> 00:01:12.900 I share all the really positive ones with Eli 00:01:12.900 --> 00:01:17.450 as well. Yeah, we actually have a... rule in 00:01:17.450 --> 00:01:21.030 the house. I don't go and read the reviews or 00:01:21.030 --> 00:01:25.230 comment sections of anything. I'm the kind of 00:01:25.230 --> 00:01:30.030 person who just can be easily influenced by what 00:01:30.030 --> 00:01:33.810 others say about me, working on it forever. But, 00:01:33.810 --> 00:01:37.609 you know, it's really nice when Allie calls me 00:01:37.609 --> 00:01:40.629 from another room if I'm folding laundry or something, 00:01:40.689 --> 00:01:46.269 and she reads such an in -depth review of what 00:01:46.269 --> 00:01:49.010 we're doing here and how people feel about the 00:01:49.010 --> 00:01:52.670 work that we're doing. And it feels really nice 00:01:52.670 --> 00:01:56.709 to know that everything we do here aligns with 00:01:56.709 --> 00:02:00.829 the mission that, honestly, Ali has put in 00:02:00.829 --> 00:02:03.209 place with starting the podcast. And it's reflected 00:02:03.209 --> 00:02:05.950 in those comments and reviews, so it really does 00:02:05.950 --> 00:02:09.710 mean a lot to us. But with that, we will go ahead 00:02:09.710 --> 00:02:12.870 and just get into this week's episode. Yeah, 00:02:12.889 --> 00:02:16.389 we are on episode... One twenty -three this week. 00:02:16.689 --> 00:02:19.909 And we are on a cold case. All right, let's get 00:02:19.909 --> 00:02:23.650 into it. Let's do it. Today, we are talking about 00:02:23.650 --> 00:02:27.030 the cold case of Dorothy Jane Scott. And this 00:02:27.030 --> 00:02:30.310 takes place in May of 1980 in Orange County, 00:02:30.469 --> 00:02:33.770 California. But first, a little bit about Dorothy. 00:02:34.770 --> 00:02:39.270 Dorothy is 32 years old in 1980. She is a single 00:02:39.270 --> 00:02:41.770 mother to a four -year -old son and works as 00:02:41.770 --> 00:02:45.150 a secretary for a novelty and head shop. called 00:02:45.150 --> 00:02:48.610 the Swinger Psych Shop. Despite working for a 00:02:48.610 --> 00:02:51.150 head shop, those that knew Dorothy said that 00:02:51.150 --> 00:02:54.629 she wasn't interested in drugs or partying. She 00:02:54.629 --> 00:02:57.430 didn't really go out. She was focused on taking 00:02:57.430 --> 00:03:01.110 care of her son. In fact, many of her days looked 00:03:01.110 --> 00:03:03.969 the same. She would wake up and get her son ready 00:03:03.969 --> 00:03:06.469 for the day and then drop him off at her parents' 00:03:06.590 --> 00:03:09.629 house and then head off to work. Dorothy and 00:03:09.629 --> 00:03:12.409 her son lived with Dorothy's aunt at this time. 00:03:13.020 --> 00:03:15.259 Dorothy wasn't dating anyone at this time in 00:03:15.259 --> 00:03:18.219 1980 either, but she had started to get strange 00:03:18.219 --> 00:03:21.539 phone calls. A man would call her at her job 00:03:21.539 --> 00:03:25.039 all the time. The calls had been going on for 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:28.080 months. According to her father, Jacob Scott, 00:03:28.300 --> 00:03:41.419 quote, End quote. The stalker had also threatened 00:03:41.419 --> 00:03:45.460 to kill Dorothy and cut her up into pieces. Dorothy 00:03:45.460 --> 00:03:48.379 didn't have any clue who the man was that was 00:03:48.379 --> 00:03:50.840 torturing her on the phone, and those that knew 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:54.060 Dorothy couldn't figure it out either. And now 00:03:54.060 --> 00:03:59.780 a timeline of events. On Wednesday, May 28, 1980. 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.539 There was a nightly meeting for the Storrs where 00:04:04.539 --> 00:04:07.530 she was working as a secretary. At the meeting 00:04:07.530 --> 00:04:12.030 was her coworker, Conrad Bostron. Conrad wasn't 00:04:12.030 --> 00:04:15.009 feeling well at all, and his arm was inflamed 00:04:15.009 --> 00:04:18.310 from a spider bite. Dorothy insisted on taking 00:04:18.310 --> 00:04:20.290 him to the hospital when the meeting was over 00:04:20.290 --> 00:04:23.769 so he could get some medical attention. Another 00:04:23.769 --> 00:04:26.850 coworker, Pam Head, said she would tag along 00:04:26.850 --> 00:04:30.579 with them as well. So Dorothy, Pam, and Conrad 00:04:30.579 --> 00:04:35.079 all get into Dorothy's white 1973 Toyota station 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:38.839 wagon and head out. Before going to the hospital, 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:41.860 Dorothy stops by her parents' home to tell them 00:04:41.860 --> 00:04:44.180 what was going on and to make sure that her son 00:04:44.180 --> 00:04:46.040 would be in good hands for the rest of the night. 00:04:46.379 --> 00:04:48.680 Of course he was safe at his grandparents' house, 00:04:48.899 --> 00:04:51.660 so Dorothy changed her scarf before leaving. 00:04:52.420 --> 00:04:55.600 She is wearing long -sleeved maroon blouse and 00:04:55.600 --> 00:05:00.009 a round turquoise ring. The color of her scarf 00:05:00.009 --> 00:05:03.569 has been reported as different over the years. 00:05:04.069 --> 00:05:06.850 However, the important part of this detail is 00:05:06.850 --> 00:05:09.310 that she changed scarves and it was a different 00:05:09.310 --> 00:05:11.529 color than the one that she was wearing at the 00:05:11.529 --> 00:05:14.829 meeting. Dorothy, Conrad, and Pam all arrive 00:05:14.829 --> 00:05:17.610 at the University of California Irvine Medical 00:05:17.610 --> 00:05:21.410 Center. It's unclear exactly what time they show 00:05:21.410 --> 00:05:25.269 up, but Conrad is there for the rest of the evening 00:05:25.269 --> 00:05:27.939 and While Conrad was getting treated, Pam and 00:05:27.939 --> 00:05:30.300 Dorothy sat in the waiting room together, reading 00:05:30.300 --> 00:05:33.899 magazines and watching the TV. According to Pam, 00:05:34.180 --> 00:05:36.459 Dorothy never left her side during this period. 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:39.680 Once Conrad had finished up, it was starting 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.620 to be the early morning hours of Thursday, May 00:05:42.620 --> 00:05:46.459 29th, Dorothy told him to go get his prescription 00:05:46.459 --> 00:05:49.519 filled at the hospital pharmacy. She was going 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:51.779 to go use the bathroom and pull the car around 00:05:51.779 --> 00:05:55.279 since Conrad still wasn't feeling his best. Pam 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:57.680 stayed with Conrad to get his prescription filled 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.160 and Dorothy headed out to use the bathroom and 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:03.720 then out to her car. Pam and Conrad waited for 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.860 Dorothy, but when she didn't appear, they decided 00:06:06.860 --> 00:06:09.199 to go out to the parking lot to see if maybe 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.579 she was waiting out there. The two of them do 00:06:12.579 --> 00:06:15.740 see someone driving Dorothy's car, but they can't 00:06:15.740 --> 00:06:18.199 see exactly who the driver is because the headlights 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:31.680 are on and it blinds them. Pam said, Conrad and 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.720 Pam are very confused by this turn of events, 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.579 and they decide to wait at the hospital for what's 00:06:38.579 --> 00:06:42.319 reported between one and two hours. They think 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:44.800 that maybe there was an emergency with Dorothy's 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.500 son. and she would be back for them, that she 00:06:47.500 --> 00:06:50.259 had to leave very quickly, but she'd return back 00:06:50.259 --> 00:06:54.199 as soon as it was taken care of. After time had 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:56.540 passed, again, it's reported to be about one 00:06:56.540 --> 00:06:59.740 or two hours, they decided to alert the police 00:06:59.740 --> 00:07:02.860 at the medical center. The university police 00:07:02.860 --> 00:07:06.600 put out a bolo for Dorothy and her car, and at 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:10.879 around 4 .30 a .m., police find her 1973 Toyota 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:14.120 station wagon about 10 miles away in Santa Ana. 00:07:14.699 --> 00:07:17.600 It's located in an alleyway, and when the police 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:21.180 find it, it's engulfed in flames. When the fire 00:07:21.180 --> 00:07:23.579 is put out, the car is searched, but Dorothy 00:07:23.579 --> 00:07:27.379 is not inside. The university police handle the 00:07:27.379 --> 00:07:30.240 case since Dorothy was last seen at the university 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.879 medical center. They handle Dorothy's case as 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:36.319 a missing person under suspicious circumstances. 00:07:37.629 --> 00:07:41.389 The police also ask Dorothy's parents not to 00:07:41.389 --> 00:07:43.589 alert the media that she's missing while they 00:07:43.589 --> 00:07:46.709 work the investigation. Her parents agree to 00:07:46.709 --> 00:07:50.410 do whatever the police ask. Investigators first 00:07:50.410 --> 00:07:53.790 take a look at her son's biological father. He 00:07:53.790 --> 00:07:56.610 had been in town recently from Missouri to visit 00:07:56.610 --> 00:07:59.930 his son. However, police are able to prove that 00:07:59.930 --> 00:08:02.670 he was in Missouri when Dorothy disappeared. 00:08:03.750 --> 00:08:07.500 About a week after Dorothy disappeared, The exact 00:08:07.500 --> 00:08:10.279 date was not published, but her father, Jacob 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:13.680 Scott, got a phone call at home. The man who 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.379 called asked, quote, are you related to Dorothy 00:08:16.379 --> 00:08:19.740 Scott? When her dad said yes, the caller said, 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:23.959 quote, I've got her, and then hung up. After 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:26.800 Dorothy had been missing for two weeks and this 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:30.019 strange phone call, her father decides to call 00:08:30.019 --> 00:08:32.440 the local media to get the word out about his 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.759 daughter's case and to get more people looking 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:38.980 for her. So on Thursday, June 12th, Dorothy has 00:08:38.980 --> 00:08:41.960 been missing for two weeks, and a local paper, 00:08:42.259 --> 00:08:45.679 The Register, runs for the first time that Dorothy 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:49.419 is missing. Later that same day, the managing 00:08:49.419 --> 00:08:51.779 editor of The Register gets a phone call from 00:08:51.779 --> 00:08:55.980 a man. The man says, quote, Dorothy Jane Scott. 00:08:56.379 --> 00:08:59.740 She was my love. I caught her cheating with another 00:08:59.740 --> 00:09:03.379 man. She denied having another man. I killed 00:09:03.379 --> 00:09:07.779 her. End quote. The editor, Pat Riley, calls 00:09:07.779 --> 00:09:11.080 police immediately. When he talks about the event 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:14.639 with others, he says this, quote, after a lot 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.259 of years, you get a feeling about people. He 00:09:17.259 --> 00:09:21.159 did sound genuine, end quote. It also appears 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:24.019 that Pat Riley talked with the caller for a few 00:09:24.019 --> 00:09:27.299 minutes. The caller had other details that at 00:09:27.299 --> 00:09:30.940 this point weren't public knowledge. The caller 00:09:30.940 --> 00:09:34.679 knew about Conrad's spider bite. and had details 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:37.919 about Dorothy's clothing, specifically her scarf 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.519 color that she was wearing at the hospital. And 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:42.620 remember, she had changed after her meeting. 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.379 The man also claimed that Dorothy called him 00:09:46.379 --> 00:09:49.860 from the hospital. However, Pam Head, Dorothy's 00:09:49.860 --> 00:09:53.259 co -worker, says that that was impossible. She 00:09:53.259 --> 00:09:55.240 maintains that her and Dorothy were together 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:57.820 the entire time, except for when she went to 00:09:57.820 --> 00:10:00.159 use the bathroom before going to grab her car. 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.179 That was the only time they separated and Dorothy 00:10:03.179 --> 00:10:06.799 did not make a phone call. Her family is baffled 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:09.379 by her disappearance and the strange phone calls. 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.940 Her father Jacob says, quote, we just can't put 00:10:12.940 --> 00:10:15.879 that together. She worked from morning to evening. 00:10:16.139 --> 00:10:19.220 She lives with my sister. She might have had 00:10:19.220 --> 00:10:21.600 an occasional date, but they were few and far 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:26.559 between, end quote. On Saturday, June 14th, it's 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:30.440 been 16 days, and the UCI police chief says, 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.340 quote, The Scots are probably reaching the point 00:10:33.340 --> 00:10:36.019 that we have reached, that we probably won't 00:10:36.019 --> 00:10:39.159 find her alive. There's always a glimmer of hope, 00:10:39.299 --> 00:10:42.759 but it isn't very bright. End quote. Police say 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:44.740 that they are taking the caller at his word, 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:49.120 that he has killed Dorothy. Investigators say 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:51.179 that they do have several people of interest. 00:10:51.980 --> 00:10:54.360 Three men specifically that they're looking at, 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:57.080 but they haven't zeroed in on any one of them 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:00.419 specifically. Police think that the phone calls 00:11:00.419 --> 00:11:03.279 are a cry for help, that the killer wants to 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.220 get caught. Quickly though, Dorothy's case goes 00:11:07.220 --> 00:11:12.620 cold. No sign of Dorothy is found. However, the 00:11:12.620 --> 00:11:17.620 calls don't stop. Over the next four years, Dorothy's 00:11:17.620 --> 00:11:21.309 parents, specifically her mother, will get calls 00:11:21.309 --> 00:11:24.690 either asking if Dorothy was home or saying that 00:11:24.690 --> 00:11:28.330 they had taken Dorothy. Her father says, quote, 00:11:28.509 --> 00:11:31.269 Most calls come in the afternoon when my wife 00:11:31.269 --> 00:11:34.750 was home. It was a soft -spoken voice, and they 00:11:34.750 --> 00:11:38.450 didn't stay on very long. End quote. There was 00:11:38.450 --> 00:11:41.029 no pattern to when the person would call. It 00:11:41.029 --> 00:11:43.710 was randomly, but always when Vera was home alone. 00:11:44.450 --> 00:11:46.929 The Scotts didn't change their phone number. 00:11:47.529 --> 00:11:50.049 They hoped that if the person who was calling 00:11:50.049 --> 00:11:52.950 actually had Dorothy, that they would be allowed 00:11:52.950 --> 00:11:56.509 to speak to her at some point. Years they're 00:11:56.509 --> 00:11:59.909 tortured by the caller. The police do try to 00:11:59.909 --> 00:12:02.429 trace the calls. They tap the Scotts' phone, 00:12:02.669 --> 00:12:05.110 but investigators are never able to trace the 00:12:05.110 --> 00:12:08.110 call. Either the phone wasn't tapped when he 00:12:08.110 --> 00:12:10.309 would call, since he was doing it so randomly, 00:12:10.649 --> 00:12:13.269 or he wouldn't stay on the phone long enough 00:12:13.269 --> 00:12:17.409 to trace the call. Years go by. And on August 00:12:17.409 --> 00:12:21.750 6, 1984, it's been over four years since Dorothy 00:12:21.750 --> 00:12:25.070 vanished, a construction worker was getting ready 00:12:25.070 --> 00:12:28.009 to dig a trench so cables could be laid under 00:12:28.009 --> 00:12:32.509 Santa Ana Canyon Road in North Anaheim. The area 00:12:32.509 --> 00:12:36.110 is rugged, and according to police, when the 00:12:36.110 --> 00:12:38.710 construction worker was backing his tractor over 00:12:38.710 --> 00:12:42.169 some small trees and brush in the area, he observed 00:12:42.169 --> 00:12:46.090 human bones and stopped to call the police. Police 00:12:46.090 --> 00:12:48.389 come out to the area and confirm they do have 00:12:48.389 --> 00:12:52.429 human remains. Investigators aren't able to recover 00:12:52.429 --> 00:12:56.769 the entire body. They find a skull, pelvis, arm, 00:12:56.870 --> 00:13:01.250 and two thigh bones. Investigators don't think 00:13:01.250 --> 00:13:04.169 that she was buried here, but rather dumped here, 00:13:04.350 --> 00:13:06.909 and over time, the soil started to cover her 00:13:06.909 --> 00:13:10.590 up. Next to the human bones, it's reported that 00:13:10.590 --> 00:13:14.220 dog bones were found as well. It's also been 00:13:14.220 --> 00:13:17.440 reported that parts of the bones are charred. 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.720 This led investigators to believe that the remains 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:23.580 had been there for at least two years since a 00:13:23.580 --> 00:13:26.200 fire had swept through that area about two years 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:29.860 before the remains were found. It takes about 00:13:29.860 --> 00:13:32.799 a week, but it's confirmed that the remains are 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:35.759 Dorothy. They're confirmed via dental records. 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:39.620 Among the remains, investigators find a watch 00:13:39.620 --> 00:13:43.320 and a turquoise ring. They were all identified 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.820 as Dorothy's. It's reported that the watch stopped 00:13:46.820 --> 00:13:51.899 at 12 .30 a .m. on May 29th. So this would have 00:13:51.899 --> 00:13:55.580 been about an hour after Dorothy was last seen 00:13:55.580 --> 00:13:59.620 at the hospital. Her parents are relieved to 00:13:59.620 --> 00:14:03.179 have this ordeal over with. Her father, Jacob, 00:14:03.299 --> 00:14:06.000 says, quote, before you didn't know whether she 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:10.789 was or wasn't. It's a big relief. It's one hell 00:14:10.789 --> 00:14:15.009 of a relief." But there is still overwhelming 00:14:15.009 --> 00:14:18.649 sadness that their daughter is dead. While her 00:14:18.649 --> 00:14:21.330 family gets to work making plans to hold a memorial 00:14:21.330 --> 00:14:24.490 service for Dorothy, the phone calls start up 00:14:24.490 --> 00:14:27.750 again. They hadn't heard from the anonymous caller 00:14:27.750 --> 00:14:31.370 in months. The last time that he had called, 00:14:31.549 --> 00:14:35.139 Jacob actually picked up the phone. They think 00:14:35.139 --> 00:14:37.480 that since the caller had been talking to Vera 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:40.240 for years, that when Jacob picked up the phone, 00:14:40.460 --> 00:14:43.039 he didn't recognize him and thought that the 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:46.460 Scotts had moved. But on the Friday after it's 00:14:46.460 --> 00:14:49.399 reported that the remains are Dorothy, the calls 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:53.120 start again. It's not reported what exactly the 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.240 calls were saying this time. Vera and Jacob, 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:58.779 as well as the police, believe that it's the 00:14:58.779 --> 00:15:01.220 same person that was harassing Dorothy on the 00:15:01.220 --> 00:15:04.860 phone has been harassing them for years. And 00:15:04.860 --> 00:15:07.919 it is also likely that the caller is the murderer. 00:15:08.940 --> 00:15:12.059 Her mother, Vera, says, quote, Dorothy got one 00:15:12.059 --> 00:15:14.500 call just before she disappeared that upset her 00:15:14.500 --> 00:15:18.559 horribly. The voice said, OK, now you are going 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:21.559 to come my way. And when I get you alone, I will 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:23.879 cut you up into bits so no one will ever find 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:29.659 you. End quote. On Wednesday, August 22nd, 1984, 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:33.299 over four years since Dorothy went missing and 00:15:33.299 --> 00:15:38.279 was murdered, she is laid to rest. This was actually 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:41.519 originally scheduled to be her uncle's funeral. 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.179 He had passed the week before of cancer, but 00:15:45.179 --> 00:15:47.559 the family decided to have both of them at the 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.960 same time. Her brother spoke at her funeral. 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:55.240 He says, quote, to me. She exemplified the word 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:59.279 give. She'd just give and give and give, no matter 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.940 what it cost her. She spent her last hours giving 00:16:02.940 --> 00:16:08.019 and being concerned about others. Police at this 00:16:08.019 --> 00:16:11.580 point don't have any suspects in the case. But 00:16:11.580 --> 00:16:16.460 that is truly it. Over the years, Dorothy's case 00:16:16.460 --> 00:16:19.179 will get mentioned in the paper, but there's 00:16:19.179 --> 00:16:22.889 no updates on the case. It never appears that 00:16:22.889 --> 00:16:26.289 police reopen the investigation into it and no 00:16:26.289 --> 00:16:32.590 new details emerge in this case. So if you know 00:16:32.590 --> 00:16:35.610 anything about the murder of Dorothy Jane Scott 00:16:35.610 --> 00:16:39.370 in May of 1980, please call the Orange County 00:16:39.370 --> 00:16:49.460 Sheriff's Office at 714 -647 -7000. So that is 00:16:49.460 --> 00:16:55.120 the case of Dorothy Jane Scott. I'm so happy 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:59.100 that you brought Dorothy's case to my attention, 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:04.359 to our listeners' attention, because I think 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:09.700 cases like these involving a young mother in 00:17:09.700 --> 00:17:16.259 the 1980s is just after a big wave of serial 00:17:16.259 --> 00:17:20.289 murders that all across the United States. And 00:17:20.289 --> 00:17:26.069 I think in the 1980s, those serial murders were 00:17:26.069 --> 00:17:29.069 continuing to happen. So it makes sense to me 00:17:29.069 --> 00:17:32.869 that her case kind of got lost in the shuffle. 00:17:33.069 --> 00:17:37.210 And that's so heartbreaking and so sad because 00:17:37.210 --> 00:17:41.690 none of these cases should ever be lost in the 00:17:41.690 --> 00:17:46.559 shuffle. So I think... cold and missing covering 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:49.160 it and even though it's been mentioned before 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:51.759 maybe people have covered it before I think bringing 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:56.259 it back up again can create ripples and waves 00:17:56.259 --> 00:18:01.660 in in her case again yeah Dorothy's case is one 00:18:01.660 --> 00:18:05.880 that I was not familiar with myself but you know 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.819 when I start researching cases, I kind of see, 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:10.720 you know, are there other podcasts that have 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.279 covered this case before? And Dorothy's case 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:17.220 is one where there have been a lot of podcasts 00:18:17.220 --> 00:18:21.220 who have covered her case before. But for me, 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:25.740 I wasn't familiar with it. So I wanted to kind 00:18:25.740 --> 00:18:28.180 of get back to, you know, the newspaper reporting, 00:18:28.420 --> 00:18:30.720 the original reporting, and get those details 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:32.940 because I think what can happen too a lot of 00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:36.789 times is You know, theories can get repeated 00:18:36.789 --> 00:18:40.589 over and over again as fact. And I wanted to 00:18:40.589 --> 00:18:43.730 get down to the basics of what we know and what 00:18:43.730 --> 00:18:45.829 we don't know. And that's what I tried to do 00:18:45.829 --> 00:18:50.089 here. Yeah, bringing back up that original timeline 00:18:50.089 --> 00:18:53.650 that was recorded in newspapers at the time, 00:18:53.670 --> 00:19:01.009 I think clarified a lot for me. And honestly, 00:19:01.150 --> 00:19:03.250 as I was listening, I couldn't stop writing. 00:19:04.020 --> 00:19:07.279 My mind was coming up with question after question. 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:15.440 And this is a case where enough time has passed, 00:19:15.700 --> 00:19:20.240 but bringing it back up again, I think, puts 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:24.180 fresh eyes on it. Absolutely. And I think that's 00:19:24.180 --> 00:19:26.420 true with any cold case or any missing person 00:19:26.420 --> 00:19:29.660 is we should continuously be talking. Their name 00:19:29.660 --> 00:19:33.230 should always be popping up in, you know. rotation 00:19:33.230 --> 00:19:38.170 cycles of media. So I'm all for bringing this 00:19:38.170 --> 00:19:41.109 case to cold and missing. And I'm sure this case 00:19:41.109 --> 00:19:43.910 is new to some of our listeners as well. Circling 00:19:43.910 --> 00:19:47.130 back to the very top of the timeline, I guess 00:19:47.130 --> 00:19:51.289 this is kind of catalyst before the timeline, 00:19:51.450 --> 00:19:58.430 but the phone calls she was receiving long up 00:19:58.430 --> 00:20:04.329 until her disappearance and murder. Were those 00:20:04.329 --> 00:20:10.150 phone calls ever reported? I guess I don't really 00:20:10.150 --> 00:20:13.789 know what you do in that circumstance if someone 00:20:13.789 --> 00:20:17.890 is calling and harassing you, but there's no 00:20:17.890 --> 00:20:22.130 way to tell who they are. I don't know how that 00:20:22.130 --> 00:20:24.450 interaction goes with law enforcement. So I'm 00:20:24.450 --> 00:20:28.630 just curious if there was anything, you know, 00:20:28.650 --> 00:20:33.170 if she went to the police beforehand or... Maybe 00:20:33.170 --> 00:20:35.750 her parents encouraged her to go or they did 00:20:35.750 --> 00:20:38.029 on her behalf. I'm curious to know more about 00:20:38.029 --> 00:20:42.549 that. So from everything I gathered, I did not 00:20:42.549 --> 00:20:45.049 get the impression that this is something that 00:20:45.049 --> 00:20:49.809 was reported to police. I do know it's 1980. 00:20:50.170 --> 00:20:52.609 Laws are a little different, especially kind 00:20:52.609 --> 00:20:55.569 of around stalking and domestic violence towards 00:20:55.569 --> 00:21:00.730 women. So I don't know if there would have been 00:21:00.730 --> 00:21:05.130 much action. done here during this time if she 00:21:05.130 --> 00:21:08.210 had or if she did go to police. But it did seem 00:21:08.210 --> 00:21:11.829 that she was worried enough to tell her friends, 00:21:12.069 --> 00:21:14.569 her co -workers, her family about what was going 00:21:14.569 --> 00:21:17.029 on because everyone in her life seemed to know 00:21:17.029 --> 00:21:22.190 about these phone calls. My curiosity around 00:21:22.190 --> 00:21:26.890 if the calls were reported or not is because 00:21:26.890 --> 00:21:33.250 I'm wanting to know If the calls ramped up, I'm 00:21:33.250 --> 00:21:38.769 searching for a number count of how many and 00:21:38.769 --> 00:21:43.390 if there were a lot leading up to the day that 00:21:43.390 --> 00:21:48.529 she, I think I can assume or speculate that she 00:21:48.529 --> 00:21:51.269 was kidnapped. That's where that question was 00:21:51.269 --> 00:21:54.789 rooted in. Yeah, so it wasn't reported like strict 00:21:54.789 --> 00:21:57.349 timelines. And I'm not sure if the family was 00:21:57.349 --> 00:22:01.529 recording it, you know, logging each call as 00:22:01.529 --> 00:22:05.250 it came in. But it does seem like to me there 00:22:05.250 --> 00:22:09.869 was ramping up in the caller's activity. We had 00:22:09.869 --> 00:22:13.130 him coming to her workplace. It does seem like 00:22:13.130 --> 00:22:16.750 he was calling her a lot at her job. And he went 00:22:16.750 --> 00:22:20.339 to her workplace and left that. dead red rose 00:22:20.339 --> 00:22:22.920 on her windshield and then was also threatening 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.299 to kill her and cut her up into pieces so to 00:22:26.299 --> 00:22:29.339 me like you know getting that close to her and 00:22:29.339 --> 00:22:31.240 then calling like that all feels like really 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:34.759 ramped up behavior almost as if like getting 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:39.039 ready for this big act yeah that makes sense 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:44.000 I mean the description reminds me of an almost 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:49.200 of an animal the the stalk before the kill But 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.539 I don't know, it feels shameful to equate it 00:22:51.539 --> 00:22:53.900 to an animal because animals would be ashamed 00:22:53.900 --> 00:22:57.319 of the way we treat each other. To get back into 00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:02.779 the timeline of the actual day she went missing 00:23:02.779 --> 00:23:06.980 and or was kidnapped, I know she was with coworkers 00:23:06.980 --> 00:23:12.000 and that they stopped at her parents' house before 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.019 they went to the hospital. Do you know the timeline 00:23:15.019 --> 00:23:18.519 on that? I know she changed scarves and that 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:23.440 was of note, but what I'm trying to find out 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.220 about that space of time was did she receive 00:23:27.220 --> 00:23:30.740 a call while she was at her parents' house within 00:23:30.740 --> 00:23:35.900 that moment of time? It's a great question. It 00:23:35.900 --> 00:23:38.380 was never reported that there was a phone call 00:23:38.380 --> 00:23:43.599 during that brief period. The only kind of phone 00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:47.119 call that's kind of reported that night is the 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:50.359 anonymous caller says that Dorothy called him, 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:54.619 which Pam maintained didn't happen. But it doesn't 00:23:54.619 --> 00:23:57.500 appear that a phone call was made that evening 00:23:57.500 --> 00:24:01.599 that Dorothy got at least. OK, so they get to 00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:05.480 the hospital. Conrad is triaged and Dorothy and 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:08.519 Pam are waiting in the waiting room. My question 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:13.900 for you. now is, do you think that someone was 00:24:13.900 --> 00:24:19.500 just watching her that entire time? I mean, stalkers 00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:22.779 are, when they are committed to stalking, they 00:24:22.779 --> 00:24:26.839 are very, very good at what they do. And to me, 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:31.339 it seems like someone was just watching her. 00:24:32.299 --> 00:24:35.039 That's where my mind went immediately, and I'm 00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:38.559 curious to know if you thought or felt something 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:45.740 similar. Yeah. To me, it definitely feels as 00:24:45.740 --> 00:24:49.640 if the stalker was trailing her car, following 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.259 her after the meeting and, oh, she's going somewhere 00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:54.299 different now. She's going to the hospital, you 00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:59.319 know, like I can see that happening. And while 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:01.759 it is like a little bit of speculation, I also 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:05.680 think that it's not like police say that they 00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:08.619 believe the caller is also the murderer. And 00:25:08.619 --> 00:25:13.529 to me. I do think that Dorothy was likely kidnapped 00:25:13.529 --> 00:25:17.730 in the parking lot. It was the first moment she 00:25:17.730 --> 00:25:22.609 was really alone and outside of people. You know, 00:25:22.609 --> 00:25:26.049 she was next to Pam the entire time. But even 00:25:26.049 --> 00:25:27.890 when she had gone to the bathroom and was just 00:25:27.890 --> 00:25:29.430 moving through the hospital, there still would 00:25:29.430 --> 00:25:32.130 have been people even at an early hour moving 00:25:32.130 --> 00:25:35.569 around. So the parking lot was the first time 00:25:35.569 --> 00:25:40.500 she was probably really alone. That's when I 00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:43.359 think they struck. Of course, that's speculation. 00:25:43.460 --> 00:25:46.799 We're not exactly sure what the details are, 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.259 but he found her at the hospital. I don't know 00:25:50.259 --> 00:25:58.960 how, but he did. I mean, people who stalk, you 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:02.519 know, make it their full -time job, I think. 00:26:04.809 --> 00:26:08.069 Stalking cases really scare me, so I don't spend 00:26:08.069 --> 00:26:13.029 a lot of time doing my own investigation into 00:26:13.029 --> 00:26:17.170 them. But I think if someone is consumed with 00:26:17.170 --> 00:26:20.190 stalking someone, then you probably know their 00:26:20.190 --> 00:26:27.069 every move. When Conrad is discharged and he 00:26:27.069 --> 00:26:32.109 and Pam exit the hospital, And the car, you know, 00:26:32.130 --> 00:26:34.730 comes careening around and speeds away from them. 00:26:35.430 --> 00:26:39.670 I'm curious on what your thoughts are on who 00:26:39.670 --> 00:26:43.630 was driving. Did they see her? I can't remember 00:26:43.630 --> 00:26:48.710 if you said that or not. So they said they couldn't 00:26:48.710 --> 00:26:51.029 see who the driver was because the headlights 00:26:51.029 --> 00:26:53.230 were on. So they were kind of blinded by that. 00:26:54.390 --> 00:27:00.500 And just personally, I think that. It's the stalker 00:27:00.500 --> 00:27:04.240 that's driving the car at this point. We know 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.779 that later the car is found in flames. So it 00:27:07.779 --> 00:27:12.079 seems like, you know, whoever took the car like 00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.019 needs to get rid of the car and the evidence 00:27:14.019 --> 00:27:18.400 of the car. So to me that that would place that 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.259 somebody was in that car that shouldn't have 00:27:20.259 --> 00:27:24.140 been. That's interesting to me because how it 00:27:24.140 --> 00:27:27.940 played out in my head is that she was driving. 00:27:28.589 --> 00:27:31.190 And that someone else was in the passenger seat 00:27:31.190 --> 00:27:36.009 calling the shots by whatever means necessary. 00:27:36.369 --> 00:27:39.970 That's just my brain speculating. And it could 00:27:39.970 --> 00:27:46.130 be a number of possibilities. But again, just 00:27:46.130 --> 00:27:50.970 to emphasize, I think that this is a fresh case 00:27:50.970 --> 00:27:54.150 to you and I. And we both have different perspectives 00:27:54.150 --> 00:27:58.569 on what the perpetrator of this crime feels. 00:27:58.430 --> 00:28:01.650 Could have been doing or perpetrators. Yeah. 00:28:01.730 --> 00:28:04.710 And I think what you say makes total sense, too. 00:28:05.069 --> 00:28:08.029 I think ultimately it comes down to somebody 00:28:08.029 --> 00:28:10.089 was in the car that shouldn't have been. That 00:28:10.089 --> 00:28:12.509 wasn't Dorothy. That wasn't Pam. That wasn't 00:28:12.509 --> 00:28:16.930 Conrad. Somebody else was in that car and they 00:28:16.930 --> 00:28:19.349 had to torch it ultimately to get rid of it. 00:28:20.490 --> 00:28:23.250 Going back into the timeline of when they put 00:28:23.250 --> 00:28:27.220 the bolo out on her. I'm curious to know why 00:28:27.220 --> 00:28:33.119 the police asked her parents to not say anything 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.319 to the press or to the media. This I'm not sure 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:38.740 about. You know, I think today people know it's 00:28:38.740 --> 00:28:40.980 pretty standard that you need to get the media 00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:45.000 involved for missing people to get the most eyes 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:51.309 searching for the person as possible. Things 00:28:51.309 --> 00:28:53.829 were different. This was also the university 00:28:53.829 --> 00:28:57.789 police handling the case, and I'm not sure how 00:28:57.789 --> 00:29:00.250 much their department had handled as far as missing 00:29:00.250 --> 00:29:05.509 people up until this point. So personally, I 00:29:05.509 --> 00:29:09.329 think that was a huge misstep of not getting 00:29:09.329 --> 00:29:13.369 her case out there quicker and getting it in 00:29:13.369 --> 00:29:17.150 the media. That's my two cents on it. Yeah, it's 00:29:17.150 --> 00:29:23.130 also bad press. for whatever institution is being 00:29:23.130 --> 00:29:27.630 reported on. I would imagine, especially knowing 00:29:27.630 --> 00:29:30.869 now that it was university police, I mean, we 00:29:30.869 --> 00:29:32.710 don't need to get into it, but it seems like 00:29:32.710 --> 00:29:37.890 politics could be involved in that and that it 00:29:37.890 --> 00:29:41.390 doesn't look great for an institution when a 00:29:41.390 --> 00:29:44.609 woman goes missing on their property. Oh, for 00:29:44.609 --> 00:29:46.970 sure. I think that could also play into that 00:29:46.970 --> 00:29:51.130 here as well. So the phone calls start rolling 00:29:51.130 --> 00:29:56.049 in and you spoke about two, the one where the 00:29:56.049 --> 00:29:58.990 caller said, I've got her, and the other one 00:29:58.990 --> 00:30:03.529 where the caller said, I killed her. Do you think 00:30:03.529 --> 00:30:07.809 it's possible that those phone calls could have 00:30:07.809 --> 00:30:11.369 also been hoaxes because there is traction and 00:30:11.369 --> 00:30:19.160 media attention around Dorothy's case now? I 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.539 thought about. The parents do seem convinced 00:30:21.539 --> 00:30:26.140 that the caller that they got is the same one 00:30:26.140 --> 00:30:28.680 that was calling Dorothy. I don't know if maybe 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.119 they ever heard it, but they made the comments 00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:35.559 that it was like the same voice. So that leads 00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.480 me to believe they believe it's the same person. 00:30:40.509 --> 00:30:42.970 And then for it to go on for years, that's like 00:30:42.970 --> 00:30:45.650 such a commitment with the parents, you know, 00:30:45.650 --> 00:30:50.470 as far as the call to the newspaper editor. I 00:30:50.470 --> 00:30:54.869 do think still that it was the killer. But like, 00:30:54.890 --> 00:30:57.710 you know, it's also like it could be a hoax, 00:30:57.710 --> 00:31:00.930 you know, like killers reaching out to the media 00:31:00.930 --> 00:31:03.470 was like something that was like happening throughout 00:31:03.470 --> 00:31:06.049 the 70s and whatnot. So like maybe somebody was 00:31:06.049 --> 00:31:07.849 going to get like a little tickle out of this, 00:31:07.970 --> 00:31:11.720 but. It was all like so pointed and specific 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.099 that it feels like the same person from the reporting. 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.039 Like none of them really stood out as different, 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.799 if that makes sense. Yeah, that makes total sense. 00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:25.839 I, you know, I only heard you say the information 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.619 about the callers once. So I think I'm asking 00:31:29.619 --> 00:31:34.779 more for clarification's sake. I know that police. 00:31:36.140 --> 00:31:39.839 come up with three men of persons of interest 00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.099 three men of interest is there any more information 00:31:43.099 --> 00:31:49.240 on who those people might be no we're never really 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.519 given information we hear that they're looking 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:55.900 at these three men but then years later when 00:31:55.900 --> 00:31:58.380 her body is found you know they say they have 00:31:58.380 --> 00:32:01.799 no suspects at that time so I don't know if those 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.339 three men had been ruled out completely or, you 00:32:05.339 --> 00:32:08.740 know, if they just never got any more information 00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:11.920 or never really got anywhere with them. But it 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:14.680 does make me wonder who those three people are 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:18.519 and where they came from in Dorothy's life. Yeah. 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:22.400 And that leads me to my follow up question, which 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:26.359 is, are her co -workers ever interviewed in depth 00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.990 or? I don't know if investigated is the right 00:32:29.990 --> 00:32:32.009 word, but I'm curious to know more about that. 00:32:33.369 --> 00:32:36.789 So it does seem like Conrad and Pam are questioned 00:32:36.789 --> 00:32:39.049 quite a bit since they were the last ones with 00:32:39.049 --> 00:32:42.190 her there at the hospital. But then beyond that, 00:32:42.349 --> 00:32:46.309 I'm not really sure. And, you know, I think that 00:32:46.309 --> 00:32:50.480 is like a really valid place to like ask because 00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:52.920 she was getting the calls at her work. I kept 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.980 coming back to that, like that someone would 00:32:54.980 --> 00:32:57.960 kind of know her work schedule and then like 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.859 know that she went to the hospital. It just it 00:33:00.859 --> 00:33:04.420 feels like it could be somebody connected to 00:33:04.420 --> 00:33:07.220 the job in some way, if not a coworker, a friend 00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:09.880 of a coworker that just kind of hears what's 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:14.400 going on. But I would be curious if anybody was 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.740 looked at. her coworkers more seriously as a 00:33:17.740 --> 00:33:21.779 suspect. Yeah. Or even just a coworker feeding 00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:26.319 information to someone else. I think that like 00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.240 an accomplice in a sense, I think that that's 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:33.099 an absolute possibility. That's like you, my 00:33:33.099 --> 00:33:37.519 mind went to that end as well. I do have another 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.599 question and I hate to bring them up because 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.470 honestly, fuck this guy. But Joseph D 'Angelo, 00:33:43.569 --> 00:33:47.430 do you think there is any possibility that this 00:33:47.430 --> 00:33:52.450 is a Golden State Killer kill? You know, from 00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:56.170 what I know of the Golden State Killer, he really 00:33:56.170 --> 00:34:01.349 seemed to like attacking people in their homes. 00:34:01.450 --> 00:34:03.369 Like that's one thing kind of again and again 00:34:03.369 --> 00:34:06.210 he's caught doing. He's the peeping Tom. He's 00:34:06.210 --> 00:34:09.130 doing all of that. That's my understanding of 00:34:09.130 --> 00:34:14.159 like his M .O. a little bit. Whereas here, there 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.900 was months and months of stalking behavior, the 00:34:17.900 --> 00:34:22.199 phone calls. I know the Golden State Killer maybe 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:26.460 made a couple phone calls, but these repeated 00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:29.659 phone calls and then for years later to continually 00:34:29.659 --> 00:34:33.699 call the parents, that just seems so specific 00:34:33.699 --> 00:34:39.559 and targeted that it feels wildly different than 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:43.760 anything else. He did. And I agree with you. 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:48.119 I just, you know, there are unfortunately so 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:51.980 many serial killers around that time, that time 00:34:51.980 --> 00:34:56.320 period that were making the papers. So I think 00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.260 just because, you know, the time he was most 00:34:59.260 --> 00:35:04.039 active, I think you got to bring him up. Yeah. 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:10.219 And I think the chaos of that time. could help 00:35:10.219 --> 00:35:13.019 Dorothy's killer, like you said earlier, kind 00:35:13.019 --> 00:35:16.159 of go under the radar and, you know, her case 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.619 not get as much media attention. But hopefully 00:35:20.619 --> 00:35:23.639 in the future, we're able to get answers. You 00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:25.800 know, we saw the Golden State killer be brought 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:28.739 to justice and those cases get closed. So I do 00:35:28.739 --> 00:35:30.739 think that there is still a chance for justice 00:35:30.739 --> 00:35:34.599 here. So again, if you know anything about the 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.940 murder of Dorothy Jane Scott in May of 1980, 00:35:38.710 --> 00:35:40.710 please call the Orange County Sheriff's Office 00:35:40.710 --> 00:35:47.610 at 714 -647 -7000. 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