1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,780 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:18,400 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,160 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages. 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,560 Listener discretion is advised. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,280 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680 And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,360 And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases. 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,920 Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing. 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,720 I'm your host, Ali. 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,520 And I'm your co-host, Eli. 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,880 Welcome back everyone. 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,240 At the top, I just always like to say thank you. 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:50,500 This past week we saw a lot of follows on our Instagram page, a lot of sharing, a lot 14 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:52,800 of commenting, a lot of reading and reviewing. 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,480 So thank you to everyone who's just taken a little bit of time out of their day to show 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,560 some support for the podcast. 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,060 We appreciate you so much. 18 00:01:01,060 --> 00:01:02,700 The kindness is overwhelming. 19 00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:04,620 So thank you so much. 20 00:01:04,620 --> 00:01:09,880 But with that, we are on a missing person case this week. 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:10,880 That's right. 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,280 We are on episode 122. 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,080 Would you like to get us started? 24 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,080 Yep. 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,240 Let's get into it. 26 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:24,200 So just as a bit of a content warning at the top, this case does involve a young person. 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:30,360 Today we are talking about the missing person case of Maurice Red Jefferson. 28 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:36,280 And this takes place in November of 1983 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,560 But first, a little bit about Maurice. 30 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,320 Maurice is 16 years old in 1983. 31 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:48,620 He also goes by the nickname Red, given to him because of his striking red hair against 32 00:01:48,620 --> 00:01:50,760 his black skin. 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:56,160 His mother, Bettye Bridges, says, quote, his color changes with the sun. 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,120 On a hot day, it looks bright orange in tone. 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,680 It's really unique, end quote. 36 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,200 Maurice is a 10th grader at Dillard High School in Fort Lauderdale. 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,240 At school, he is known for being soft spoken and kind. 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,640 He was part of the ROTC. 39 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:18,580 He held strong religious convictions and had been in his church choir for a long time. 40 00:02:18,580 --> 00:02:23,160 He ended up quitting the choir because the rehearsals conflicted with his basketball 41 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,680 practice. 42 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,560 He loved basketball and was part of the junior varsity team. 43 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,720 He had big plans for his life. 44 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,960 He wanted to go to medical school and become a doctor. 45 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:40,840 At this time in 1983, Maurice lived with his grandparents on the 200 block of Northwest 46 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,080 30th Terrace in Fort Lauderdale. 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,460 He lived with his grandparents to finish out high school. 48 00:02:47,460 --> 00:02:53,280 Maurice's mother had recently remarried a man who was a pastor of a church in Alabama. 49 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,080 So Maurice spent a lot of time in both Florida and Alabama, but his school days were at his 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,840 grandparents' house. 51 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:05,440 In 1983, Maurice was around 5 foot 11 and 120 pounds. 52 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:11,840 He had his noticeable red hair, but also walked with a distinct bow-legged gait. 53 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,840 And now a timeline of events. 54 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,440 On Monday, November 28, 1983. 55 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,920 It started as a typical Monday for Red. 56 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:24,320 He went to school and came home. 57 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,760 He took a quick nap on the couch and when he woke up, he snacked on some popcorn and 58 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,320 called a friend from school. 59 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,840 He then started to get ready for basketball practice. 60 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Maurice is wearing white shorts with a blue stripe, a white shirt, and white sneakers 61 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,140 with white tube socks. 62 00:03:42,140 --> 00:03:47,320 At around 520 p.m., Maurice waves goodbye to his grandmother and starts walking to basketball 63 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,060 practice. 64 00:03:49,060 --> 00:03:52,460 The walk to practice would have been around 30 minutes. 65 00:03:52,460 --> 00:03:57,800 His grandmother did note that Red did leave a little early for practice on that Monday 66 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,140 night. 67 00:03:59,140 --> 00:04:03,040 He wanted to stop by his girlfriend's house, who lived only a few blocks away from the 68 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,600 school. 69 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:10,580 All things considered, he was only leaving 30 minutes earlier than he needed to for practice. 70 00:04:10,580 --> 00:04:15,800 So here is where there is some difference in the timeline over the years. 71 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:21,120 Today, when the story is reported, this is the last time that Red was ever seen, leaving 72 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,320 his grandmother's house. 73 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:28,100 Back in 1983, however, there were some different details that came out in the reporting that 74 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:30,660 will come out through the timeline. 75 00:04:30,660 --> 00:04:36,220 So back to that Monday evening, it's unclear exactly when Maurice's family realized that 76 00:04:36,220 --> 00:04:38,500 something was wrong. 77 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:43,700 What is reported is that when his family went to police that night, they were told that 78 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:48,780 police guidelines meant that they would not start investigating until he had been missing 79 00:04:48,780 --> 00:04:51,780 for at least three days. 80 00:04:51,780 --> 00:04:56,440 This would mean that the police started their investigation into Maurice's disappearance 81 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,940 on Thursday, December 1st, three days after he was last seen. 82 00:05:00,940 --> 00:05:05,400 One of the first places they check is to see if Maurice is with his biological father who 83 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,920 lived in the area, but he's not there. 84 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:14,960 Police start to look into if Red could have been a runaway, but nothing points to that. 85 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:20,180 Everything that he owned was left in his room, including his wallet, which he had left sitting 86 00:05:20,180 --> 00:05:22,460 on the TV after school. 87 00:05:22,460 --> 00:05:27,580 Also, Maurice didn't have any history of running away and there was nothing going on in his 88 00:05:27,580 --> 00:05:30,900 life that would cause him to run. 89 00:05:30,900 --> 00:05:37,260 On Friday, December 2nd, so he has been missing for four days now, police start going door 90 00:05:37,260 --> 00:05:43,020 to door to talk to neighbors to see if they saw anything on that Monday night. 91 00:05:43,020 --> 00:05:48,260 It's during this canvassing that police find two teenage girls who tell them that they 92 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:53,880 saw Maurice at Franklin Park shooting baskets with some younger kids on Monday night. 93 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,580 They believe it was around 7 p.m. 94 00:05:56,580 --> 00:06:01,520 They say they saw two men pull up in a blue and white Oldsmobile. 95 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,220 One of the men in the car offered Maurice a ride, but when he refused the offer, the 96 00:06:06,220 --> 00:06:09,300 two men forced him into the car and sped away. 97 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:14,900 It's at this point that police start treating his case as an abduction. 98 00:06:14,900 --> 00:06:19,460 Over the weekend, friends, family, and teammates spend the weekend hanging up missing person 99 00:06:19,460 --> 00:06:23,140 posters for Red all over Fort Lauderdale. 100 00:06:23,140 --> 00:06:25,300 His mother is lost for words. 101 00:06:25,300 --> 00:06:28,980 But he says, quote, We can't understand what happened. 102 00:06:28,980 --> 00:06:31,100 Maurice didn't have an enemy in the world. 103 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:32,860 It doesn't make any sense. 104 00:06:32,860 --> 00:06:34,460 End quote. 105 00:06:34,460 --> 00:06:40,300 His mother also can't believe that no one has seen him due to his distinct red hair. 106 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,300 Police asked the FBI to get involved in the case. 107 00:06:43,300 --> 00:06:48,620 They quickly agree, but almost as quickly pull out of the investigation. 108 00:06:48,620 --> 00:06:54,080 They say that they're able to find a witness who says that they saw Maurice a few hours 109 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:59,380 after he was reportedly seen being forced into the Oldsmobile. 110 00:06:59,380 --> 00:07:04,220 Because of this, the FBI does not believe an abduction took place and therefore they 111 00:07:04,220 --> 00:07:07,020 should not be involved in the case. 112 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:12,960 The days turn into weeks and 1983 rolls into 1984. 113 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:19,620 By the end of January 1984, so Maurice has been missing for two months at this point, 114 00:07:19,620 --> 00:07:22,720 police have no leads in the case. 115 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,540 The family at this point has hired a private investigator to help them in their search, 116 00:07:27,540 --> 00:07:31,140 but he also hasn't turned up any leads. 117 00:07:31,140 --> 00:07:37,700 The PI says, quote, If I had to make a guess, I'd say foul play is the answer. 118 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:41,900 Maybe the world came crashing down on his shoulders and he just took off. 119 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:45,660 If it's not that, then yes, I would have to assume that he is dead. 120 00:07:45,660 --> 00:07:46,660 End quote. 121 00:07:46,660 --> 00:07:50,780 His family, however, stays optimistic that Red will come home. 122 00:07:50,780 --> 00:07:56,020 They keep three Bibles open at their homes at all times, showing that they have not closed 123 00:07:56,020 --> 00:07:57,340 the book on Maurice. 124 00:07:57,340 --> 00:08:02,820 They do believe firmly, though, that if Maurice had the ability to call them, he would have 125 00:08:02,820 --> 00:08:04,060 by now. 126 00:08:04,060 --> 00:08:07,880 He would not go this long without talking to his family. 127 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,500 After this, the case truly seems to go cold. 128 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:17,100 The next update I could find is in August of 1985, so Maurice has been missing for almost 129 00:08:17,100 --> 00:08:19,260 two years at this point. 130 00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:25,460 On August 8th of 1985, the family celebrates Red's 18th birthday. 131 00:08:25,460 --> 00:08:30,380 His mother says, quote, We haven't stopped looking for him and we want to hear him. 132 00:08:30,380 --> 00:08:32,060 End quote. 133 00:08:32,060 --> 00:08:36,020 Investigators assigned to his case say that they are no closer to finding him than they 134 00:08:36,020 --> 00:08:39,180 were when he first went missing. 135 00:08:39,180 --> 00:08:44,300 Throughout the rest of the 80s and the 90s, Maurice's missing person poster will appear 136 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:47,460 in newspapers from time to time. 137 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:52,900 When it is listed, he is shown as a non-family abduction. 138 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:57,860 But it's here that we start seeing his last known whereabouts as leaving for basketball 139 00:08:57,860 --> 00:08:58,860 practice. 140 00:08:58,860 --> 00:09:05,380 Slowly, over the years, the story of him being forced into a car will fall out of the narrative. 141 00:09:05,380 --> 00:09:11,220 It's unclear if police have officially ruled this out, that it didn't happen, or if it's 142 00:09:11,220 --> 00:09:17,180 just a detail that has kind of been lost in the reporting over the years. 143 00:09:17,180 --> 00:09:24,460 In 2009, so it's been over 25 years since Red vanished, local media coverage is drummed 144 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:28,700 up when a small film company announces that they want to make a documentary about his 145 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:30,180 case. 146 00:09:30,180 --> 00:09:34,420 To date, it doesn't appear that the film has been released or not anywhere that I could 147 00:09:34,420 --> 00:09:35,420 find. 148 00:09:35,420 --> 00:09:40,340 Red's grandmother is still alive at this time and she still hopes to know what happened 149 00:09:40,340 --> 00:09:42,060 to Maurice. 150 00:09:42,060 --> 00:09:47,480 She says, quote, I've always said it's like the earth opened up and swallowed him. 151 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:48,900 What happened to him? 152 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:51,240 We don't know, end quote. 153 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:57,340 She says that she has lived in the same house with the same phone number since 1983, so 154 00:09:57,340 --> 00:10:02,140 that if Maurice ever needed to reach out or could reach out, he would know exactly how 155 00:10:02,140 --> 00:10:05,460 to get a hold of his family. 156 00:10:05,460 --> 00:10:12,140 But that is truly all we know about the disappearance of Maurice Red Jefferson. 157 00:10:12,140 --> 00:10:18,820 If you know anything about the disappearance of Maurice Red Jefferson in November of 1983 158 00:10:18,820 --> 00:10:30,220 or his whereabouts today, please call the Bower County Sheriff's Office at 954-321-4735. 159 00:10:30,220 --> 00:10:34,900 So that is the case of Maurice Red Jefferson. 160 00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:43,060 I just want to start off my response with commenting on what a dedicated, steadfast 161 00:10:43,060 --> 00:10:47,180 young man he sounded like. 162 00:10:47,180 --> 00:10:54,740 It sounded like he had goals that he wanted to reach and was really trying to move his 163 00:10:54,740 --> 00:10:57,380 life forward. 164 00:10:57,380 --> 00:11:03,820 Him having Red hair and having the nickname Red is something that's very familiar to me 165 00:11:03,820 --> 00:11:07,900 because I also have Red hair and that was a nickname, continues to be a nickname of 166 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:09,460 mine. 167 00:11:09,460 --> 00:11:17,260 And when you do have Red hair, it is something that's consistently notable about you and 168 00:11:17,260 --> 00:11:20,380 that's very clear here too. 169 00:11:20,380 --> 00:11:26,820 And I did see the pictures of him now and I'm excited for our listeners to see them 170 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:27,820 in the graphics. 171 00:11:27,820 --> 00:11:35,220 But I love that in all areas of his life he was very committed to everything that he did. 172 00:11:35,220 --> 00:11:41,820 Even having to choose between singing in basketball and landing in basketball. 173 00:11:41,820 --> 00:11:45,220 I just enjoyed hearing how motivated he was. 174 00:11:45,220 --> 00:11:51,780 Yeah, he was a young man who just had really big dreams and goals and I feel this way about 175 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:53,380 every missing person case. 176 00:11:53,380 --> 00:12:02,820 But especially here this feels like an instance where it's like what a remarkable person that 177 00:12:02,820 --> 00:12:08,180 vanished and it's like we all have lost out because he did not get to reach these goals 178 00:12:08,180 --> 00:12:11,340 or wherever his life was going to take him. 179 00:12:11,340 --> 00:12:18,300 It seems like we all missed out on his impact because of something that happened in 1983. 180 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:30,660 Yeah, the way he went missing, it stands out because it really does seem like he vanished 181 00:12:30,660 --> 00:12:35,420 or was plucked from the earth's surface. 182 00:12:35,420 --> 00:12:42,820 I have so many more questions that I know can't be answered within this moment about 183 00:12:42,820 --> 00:12:51,300 this case but I do think it's very important to continue to ask those questions when people 184 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:55,300 who are related to this person are still alive in this case. 185 00:12:55,300 --> 00:13:01,400 I think that there are answers out there so I'm eager to ask you these questions. 186 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:11,900 My first one being how was that the law back in 1983 where it needed to be three days for 187 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:14,260 a minor? 188 00:13:14,260 --> 00:13:18,700 I just want to hear more about that on your end. 189 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:22,420 Maybe you know more but that was shocking. 190 00:13:22,420 --> 00:13:23,420 It's shocking. 191 00:13:23,420 --> 00:13:24,500 I couldn't believe. 192 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:26,980 I've never heard of three days waiting period. 193 00:13:26,980 --> 00:13:31,700 I've heard of a 24 hour waiting period but never have I heard of three days especially 194 00:13:31,700 --> 00:13:34,300 for a 16 year old. 195 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:42,880 So that was shocking and I feel like we would be remiss to not think that there could be 196 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:50,420 racism playing into this with a black family coming to the police looking for a teenager 197 00:13:50,420 --> 00:13:54,100 and them kind of brushing it off for three days. 198 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:56,700 I don't know if that really was the guidelines. 199 00:13:56,700 --> 00:14:01,460 I tried to research and try to find other instances of it but I couldn't pull anything 200 00:14:01,460 --> 00:14:02,460 up. 201 00:14:02,460 --> 00:14:03,460 That doesn't mean it's not there. 202 00:14:03,460 --> 00:14:11,020 I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for without access to old records and things 203 00:14:11,020 --> 00:14:12,500 that just aren't online. 204 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:19,900 So I don't know but that is what the family says that they were told and that is bonkers 205 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:20,900 to me. 206 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:29,220 Yeah and to continue on the narrative that I also think is true that he is not a runaway. 207 00:14:29,220 --> 00:14:35,380 To give that some more validity people don't leave their things behind when they're trying 208 00:14:35,380 --> 00:14:36,660 to run away. 209 00:14:36,660 --> 00:14:42,120 I think it's different if they are fleeing an environment but that means you're usually 210 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:47,400 fleeing an emergency situation and that simply was not the case here. 211 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:52,560 To call this a runaway when all of his things were left behind when he was waving goodbye 212 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,740 as he was leaving is wrong. 213 00:14:56,740 --> 00:14:58,080 I don't know. 214 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:03,940 It didn't make sense to me how that narrative even came up when it so clearly was not the 215 00:15:03,940 --> 00:15:04,940 case. 216 00:15:04,940 --> 00:15:15,120 Yeah, you know it almost felt like to me that investigators at the time were kind of scrambling. 217 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,980 They knew they had really messed up waiting three days. 218 00:15:18,980 --> 00:15:23,980 They find these witnesses that say they saw an abduction which I know brings up its own 219 00:15:23,980 --> 00:15:28,940 questions but you know he didn't show up again. 220 00:15:28,940 --> 00:15:31,620 Runaways usually would have surfaced anyway by three days. 221 00:15:31,620 --> 00:15:32,980 He's not at his dad's house. 222 00:15:32,980 --> 00:15:36,860 He's not anywhere that he should be. 223 00:15:36,860 --> 00:15:42,620 No relatives house, no friends houses and then they hear these two teenage girls stories 224 00:15:42,620 --> 00:15:51,580 so it's like I think they really kind of scrambled quickly to try to reverse time, try to get 225 00:15:51,580 --> 00:15:55,500 a lead but like the trail really seemed like it had already gone cold by the time they 226 00:15:55,500 --> 00:15:57,540 had started investigating. 227 00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:07,220 Yeah and what that scrambling led to was the FBI coming in and then backing out and that 228 00:16:07,220 --> 00:16:14,900 right there was really really unfortunate because they were accessing resources that 229 00:16:14,900 --> 00:16:20,580 could have really been helpful in this case but the FBI had nothing to work on but still 230 00:16:20,580 --> 00:16:29,860 them choosing to not advocate for this missing person or lean in a little bit more is confusing 231 00:16:29,860 --> 00:16:31,180 to me. 232 00:16:31,180 --> 00:16:37,340 Granted this was so many years ago and I don't know what was going on at the time but it 233 00:16:37,340 --> 00:16:45,020 also seemed like an odd choice to me for them to back out of continuing to investigate. 234 00:16:45,020 --> 00:16:50,900 Yeah and that kind of brings us around to the witnesses these two teenage girls that 235 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:58,460 say they saw a blue and white Oldsmobile pull up, offer Maurice a ride and when he refused 236 00:16:58,460 --> 00:17:01,220 they forced him into the car. 237 00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:07,060 So the FBI says they found a witness who says that a few hours after that event was supposed 238 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:09,620 to have happened they did see Maurice. 239 00:17:09,620 --> 00:17:17,020 We never get any details of where he was seen, what his condition was like, what any circumstance 240 00:17:17,020 --> 00:17:21,180 was around that we just hear that that's what they found so they don't believe that an 241 00:17:21,180 --> 00:17:24,820 abduction took place from that. 242 00:17:24,820 --> 00:17:27,300 So that's the FBI. 243 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:30,180 But then it gets us back to the two teenage girls. 244 00:17:30,180 --> 00:17:32,740 So what happened there? 245 00:17:32,740 --> 00:17:35,120 Did police rule that story out? 246 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:38,060 Has it ever been able to be ruled out officially? 247 00:17:38,060 --> 00:17:44,060 It brings up a ton of questions and kind of feels like you know a key piece like is this 248 00:17:44,060 --> 00:17:48,100 part of the narrative or not and police to my knowledge have never come out and said 249 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:49,420 one way or the other. 250 00:17:49,420 --> 00:17:54,980 Yeah I mean one of the last things I wrote down as I was listening to you discuss the 251 00:17:54,980 --> 00:18:01,740 timeline was that it seems like to me details like this should not be muddled when there 252 00:18:01,740 --> 00:18:03,420 are so few. 253 00:18:03,420 --> 00:18:08,540 This was one area where there was a lot of detail about the possibility of what happened 254 00:18:08,540 --> 00:18:12,100 to him and it was just dropped. 255 00:18:12,100 --> 00:18:19,140 Yeah as I've mentioned over the years this possible abduction that detailed these witnesses 256 00:18:19,140 --> 00:18:20,140 it gets dropped. 257 00:18:20,140 --> 00:18:27,580 They don't talk about it you know in 2009, 2005 there were some articles and they don't 258 00:18:27,580 --> 00:18:29,620 necessarily talk about this abduction. 259 00:18:29,620 --> 00:18:40,820 So I don't know if it has been ruled out officially but his case is labeled as a non-family abduction. 260 00:18:40,820 --> 00:18:45,940 So that is still how the police seem to be handling his case. 261 00:18:45,940 --> 00:18:52,420 Hearing the last detail about his grandmother and that you know she lives in the same house, 262 00:18:52,420 --> 00:19:02,460 has the same number it's such an echo of how the loved ones of a missing person their lives 263 00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:08,020 stand still the moment they go missing and I could really feel that and just you reading 264 00:19:08,020 --> 00:19:15,860 that simple statement of fact like she lives in the same house, has the same number. 265 00:19:15,860 --> 00:19:24,220 Something about that while it can be very beautiful in this case it felt like she stood 266 00:19:24,220 --> 00:19:32,820 still in time and it's just waiting for him to come home and with this case being in the 267 00:19:32,820 --> 00:19:37,780 80s I don't think time has to stand still for these people anymore. 268 00:19:37,780 --> 00:19:40,540 I think that this case is solvable. 269 00:19:40,540 --> 00:19:47,700 Yeah I really hope for the family that they are able to bring Red home that they're able 270 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:51,100 to get answers in this. 271 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:59,860 You know I know his mom still advocates very fiercely for his case so I really hope that 272 00:19:59,860 --> 00:20:05,180 we're able to get momentum on his case and get the answers that we're looking for because 273 00:20:05,180 --> 00:20:08,340 I do feel like they're out there. 274 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:14,140 There's there's more here there's more details there's more to be uncovered in this case 275 00:20:14,140 --> 00:20:22,740 so again if you know anything about the disappearance of Maurice Red Jefferson in November of 1983 276 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:33,420 or his whereabouts today please call the Bower County Sheriff's Office at 954-321-4735. 277 00:20:33,420 --> 00:20:39,780 So we will have pictures of Maurice on our Instagram you'll see his striking red hair 278 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:45,180 and there's also a few age progressions of what he would look like into his 30s and 40s 279 00:20:45,180 --> 00:20:48,060 so more of what he would look like today. 280 00:20:48,060 --> 00:20:52,340 So if you want to see those please check them out please share them in your communities 281 00:20:52,340 --> 00:20:56,620 get his name out there get his case out there get his picture out there so we can get some 282 00:20:56,620 --> 00:20:59,820 more coverage for Red. 283 00:20:59,820 --> 00:21:03,860 Again thank you so much to everyone who has rated and reviewed us these past few weeks 284 00:21:03,860 --> 00:21:09,340 we appreciate it so much and now that I can see all the international reviews I am overwhelmed 285 00:21:09,340 --> 00:21:16,260 by how many places are listening in how many countries getting these stories out there 286 00:21:16,260 --> 00:21:21,900 so thank you so much for listening for sharing for telling people about this podcast it is 287 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:26,300 so appreciative and you know there's a lot going on in the world there's a lot 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