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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.

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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.

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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases.

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Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.

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I'm Ali.

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And I'm Eli.

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Welcome back everyone.

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to do here at Cold and Missing.

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So yeah.

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But we are on episode 117 this week.

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Yeah, we are on episode 117.

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And just in case if you are new here, every week we go back and forth between a cold case

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and a missing person case.

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And this week we happen to be on a cold case.

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So should we just get into it?

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Let's do it.

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So just as a bit of a content warning at the top, this case does involve a young person.

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Today we are talking about the cold case of Hannah Truelove.

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And this takes place in August of 2012 in Gainesville, Georgia.

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But first a little bit about Hannah.

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Hannah is 16 years old in 2012.

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She has just started her junior year of high school.

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She's also just learning how to drive and had a goal of driving to school that year.

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She had two cats and a little Yorkie named Jake.

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She had dreams of becoming a veterinarian.

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Her family and friends remember her as a hilarious and kind girl.

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She was gentle and compassionate.

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Hannah's parents are divorced and she lives with her mother in the Lake Lanier Club Apartments,

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but her dad still lives nearby.

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And now a timeline of events.

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On Thursday, August 23, 2012, Hannah was just getting into the swing of things that school

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The day started out a little out of the ordinary.

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Hannah was visited by an investigator with the Division of Family and Children's Services,

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or DFCS.

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A case had been opened because Hannah had gotten some truancy the last school year.

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Also Hannah's mom had gotten into trouble for drinking and driving.

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The caseworker made notes about Hannah that day.

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The investigator wrote that Hannah, quote, appeared to be fine, end quote.

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Hannah and the caseworker talked about getting her math grade up so she could advance to

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11th grade math.

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After school, we know that Hannah made it home to the apartment where she lived with

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her mother.

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At around 332 in the afternoon, Hannah tweeted out, quote, um, yes, ma'am, end quote, in

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response to someone.

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Investigators say, quote, she made it home from school and took all her school books

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and stuff into her apartment and dropped them off, end quote.

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From there, Hannah headed outside.

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This was normal for her to hang out at the picnic benches in the apartment complex.

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Neighbors saw Hannah hanging out there at the picnic tables all summer long.

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There were some parents outside with their toddlers and boys playing football nearby.

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Several people saw Hannah.

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At one point, the exact timing is unclear.

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A witness sees a small four-door silver sedan pull up into the parking lot.

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Inside of the vehicle were four occupants.

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One of the people get out of the car and them and Hannah walk for a little bit.

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Hannah was seen after the car left.

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Some witnesses put her outside as late as 730.

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However, the hours start to tick by and by 930, Hannah's mom is worried that she hasn't

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come home and that she can't find her.

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Mona decides to call the police at around 930 p.m.

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The police launched a search for Hannah that evening around the apartment, since that was

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the last place she was seen.

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Police are seen on the docks of Lake Lanier shouting for Hannah.

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However, that night, a strong storm rolls in and several inches of rainfall on the area

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A hope that she would turn up in the morning fades.

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At around 730 p.m., a man visiting his daughter, a Vietnam veteran, went for a walk in the

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wooded area around his daughter's apartment complex.

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When he looks into the ravine, he sees what he thinks is a mannequin.

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As he gets closer, he recognizes Hannah from her missing person poster that had sprung

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up on the news over the last 24 hours.

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Police are called around 730 p.m.

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While publicly police do not confirm if it is Hannah, they do announce that they're

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treating the death as suspicious.

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Behind the scenes, police begin to work the case as a homicide and Hannah's parents

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confirm her identity.

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Police at the scene are optimistic that someone heard or saw something.

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While the woods are secluded where Hannah's body is found, you are able to just make out

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apartment balconies from the spot, so it was close enough that maybe someone could have

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seen or heard it something.

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Police also start to dig into her social media.

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There were some concerning tweets that police know they need to dig more into.

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On August 12th, 12 days before the murder, she tweeted, quote, I got me an ugly ass stalker,

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end quote.

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And then a few hours later, quote, too many lame people live where I live, dot, dot, dot,

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On August 18th, five days before the murder, she tweeted out, quote, so scared right now,

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And on August 22nd, just a day before the murder, she says, quote, I need to move out

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of these dang apartments, end quote.

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Other leads start to come in from the community as word spreads, but police encourage parents

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to talk to their children, quote, kids tend to talk and we hope that as people discuss

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this with parents and whatnot, that somebody will come forward with some real good evidence

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that could break the case for us.

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Right now, we're just encouraging folks if they do have any information or they have

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seen anything during that time period that she was missing to call us, we would like

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to determine if there's anything to their story, no matter how small it is, end quote.

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On Monday, August 27th, four days after the murder and on what should have been the start

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of a normal school week, instead Hannah's autopsy is conducted.

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It confirms what seemed obvious to police at the scene, that she died from multiple

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stab wounds.

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Again, at this time in 2012, police do not release the cause of death, but they do officially

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rule her death a homicide.

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At the time, police say, quote, we know that she did receive injuries that resulted in

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her death.

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Injuries on her body were indicative that she died from a violent death, end quote.

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Police at this point are operating with the belief that Hannah was killed by someone that

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she knew, that this was not a random act, quote, we have information that would lead

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us to believe that this was a person that the victim knew, end quote.

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Her family and friends are shocked by her death.

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Her father stresses that she hadn't voiced any concern about living in the apartment

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complex and that if she had, he would have let her live with him.

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On Tuesday, August 28th, it's been five days since the murder and police are busy chasing

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down the leads that have come in.

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Police also take the time to interview friends and students from Hannah's school to see

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if they have any additional information on Hannah.

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Police allude to the fact that there are a couple of people that they would like to talk

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to but they haven't been able to yet.

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On Wednesday, August 29th, just shy of one week from her murder, Hannah's funeral is

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held and she is laid to rest.

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Two weeks after the murder, on September 7th, police announced that they're looking for

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a late 1990s to early 2000s four-door sedan, possibly a Chevrolet or a Dodge.

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The car is light silver in color but with a lot of front end damage at the time of Hannah's

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murder.

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The driver's door was also lighter in color than the rest of the car as well, either a

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lighter silver or white color.

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I believe that this car is the car with the four occupants that arrived at the apartment

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the day that Hannah was murdered.

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It takes years for police to mention this next part but they confirm that these people

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in the car are just people of interest.

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Police confirm that Hannah was seen alive after the car left.

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However, no one ever comes forward claiming that they were in the car that day.

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It appears that at this point, the case stalls.

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Police do work to keep the case in the media but no suspects are named in the case.

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Police mention again that there are a couple people that they would like to talk to but

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they have not cooperated.

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A year come and goes and police announce that they're still looking for the driver of the

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silver car but stress that the front end damage would likely have been fixed by now.

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In 2014, so it's been two years since the murder, we learn that police did ask the GBI

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to create a profile of the murderer.

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The GBI does create a profile but to date it has never publicly been shared.

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In 2016, so it's been four years since Hannah's murder, police announced that through their

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investigation into her Twitter that there wasn't any merit to her tweets before her

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death.

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That it was all surrounding teenage drama and not related to her murder.

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Police also say that they are hoping that someone will still come forward that has knowledge

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of the crime.

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Detective Dan Franklin says quote, there have been persons of interest that we've looked

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at and that we continue to look at.

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Over time we're hoping that someone with knowledge that maybe was not necessarily directly

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involved would come forward.

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In 2017, five years since Hannah's murder and police reveal that she was last using

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her Nintendo DS to communicate with her friends.

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Police don't say directly if this holds clues to her case but the investigator working the

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case keeps it on his desk to remind him of her and to keep the case active in his mind.

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In 2022, so 10 years since Hannah's murder, police announced that there is a suspect in

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the case but they still declined to name them.

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Detective Dan Franklin says quote, we're confident we know who is responsible for her

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death.

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We've had a suspect since the beginning.

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Our issue is that we have a lack of evidence to tie that person to the crime.

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Police at this point are banking on advances in DNA since Hannah's body was left out in

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a strong rainstorm.

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It washed most trace DNA from her body.

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could still be on evidence.

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That or somebody confesses to the crime.

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Police do not want to bring charges without a rock solid case so there is no chance of

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the person walking free.

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However, that is all we know about the murder of Hannah Truelove.

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There has to date not been any arrests in her case and still no suspect has been named.

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So if you know anything about the murder of Hannah True Love in August of 2012, please

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call the GBI Region 8 Cleveland office at 706-348-4866.

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So that is the case of Hannah True Love.

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And covering cases, weather cold or missing cases, when they involve children, it just

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never gets easier.

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Never gets easier to listen and digest.

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To be honest with you, when I'm listening to other podcasts, sometimes they are the

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episodes that I skip and getting the chance to do cold and missing now, I'm so grateful

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that I don't skip them anymore.

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As someone who engages with true crime, I think there's a sense of responsibility in

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listening if you choose to engage with it.

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And that's just my own, my personal feelings about it.

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So I don't even want to skip them anymore.

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And even though it was difficult to listen to the timeline of events that resulted in

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Hannah's ending, I loved hearing how happy she was and how happy she made other people

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and that she wanted to work with animals.

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I think that always says that speaks volumes about someone's character and pretty much

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every vet I've ever met was someone I was rooting for.

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She should have had a chance to grow up.

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I'm really grateful that we know this case and the fact that it's recent gives me a lot

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of hope as well.

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Yeah, Hannah's life being cut so short just at 16 years old, it's really heartbreaking

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that she didn't get the opportunity to chase her dreams like you said.

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I think you said that really beautifully.

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I think you did an incredible job sewing the timeline together with a linear path.

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The whole time I was listening, I was scribbling down questions.

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So if it's all right with you, I think I'd love to just dive in and start kind of from

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the top as my questions gathered while you covered the timeline.

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Yeah, thank you.

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A lot in the timeline I had to kind of piece together because police at the time weren't

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releasing a lot of details.

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They've kind of released details over the last decade or so.

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So thank you.

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I appreciate that.

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So we know Hannah was at the picnic table from 3.30 on or at least 3.30 to 7.30.

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We know of that window.

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She was near that part of the apartment complex in the exterior.

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I'm wondering, I don't know if you said it and maybe I just missed it, but when did Hannah's

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mother get home?

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It's a really great question.

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It's unclear when Hannah's mom got home, if she was home already when she got home from

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school or if she got home from work maybe later that evening.

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That part was never really clear.

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It just seems that by 9.30 her mom had noticed she'd been missing for a minute.

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She couldn't find her a locator.

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is she?

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So the reason I was asking that question was just to kind of gauge the sense of urgency

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around everything that was happening.

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three hours, it all happens on the same night.

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But again, my question was to really try to pinpoint as much as I can as a listener to

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just nail that timeline down more.

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And actually a big question I have in the timeline is when police think the time of

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death occurred.

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Because one thing I've noticed kind of over and over again is that Hannah's date of death

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is listed as August 24th.

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I don't know if they're using that because that's the date that she was found ultimately,

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or if they have a time of death that puts her after midnight, you know, going from the

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23rd into the 24th.

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That part's never really been clear or laid out by police exactly what time they think

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the crime occurred.

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And I think that does play into it a little bit because it appears that police were, you

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know, kind of in the apartment complex and in the woods searching, you know, 930, 10

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o'clock, like right in that timeframe it was happening.

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So yeah, Hannah was found not too far from where she was last seen at the picnic benches

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in a wooded area, but the woods were very close to where she was last seen.

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I'm also curious of, you know, where she was found.

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Use the word ravine, and maybe that was the word that was also used in, you know, media

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coverage of her case at the time.

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But you know, to me a ravine can mean a bunch of different things depending on the ecological

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environment, you know.

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So I'm, my first question about the ravine is was it, was there water at the bottom?

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Was there a running stream through it?

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Because sometimes at the base of a ravine that is what's there, but it can also just

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be, you know, two steep edges with a small wedge, like wedge of space in between that

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can collect water if there's a storm, which there was in this case.

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So I'm just curious again as to what that looked like and if she was found underwater

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or kind of to the side, maybe in foliage or sticks or...

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From my understanding, there aren't necessarily trails going throughout it, but it's not so

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dense that you can't like move through it to get to the lake is kind of what I understand.

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place between two high steep spots.

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It did not normally have water running through it, but because of the intensity of the storm

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the night that she went missing, there was water running over her at some point.

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Police said that she would have been fully submerged in water at one point of running

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water from the storm.

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So that leads me to my follow up question, which is do you think that the perpetrator

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or perpetrators, whoever committed this crime, do you think that they were counting on the

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fact that there would be a storm that night?

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It's a really great question.

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Honestly, I don't know because whenever I look at it from a few different angles, I

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can kind of like talk myself in circles around it because on the one hand, there's a part

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of me that's like, well, they're not that smart.

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The criminal is not going to be that smart to like think of the weather and it's kind

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of a big gamble to like hope that the water is going to be enough to completely wash DNA

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or evidence from the body.

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You're banking on a lot.

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So I don't know if it was part of the plan, but then at the same time, sometimes criminals

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are smarter than we give them credit for.

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And you know, maybe they weren't necessarily banking on it, but they figured it would help.

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So I'm not sure.

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I think we won't really know if the storm was part of the calculation in this crime

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until we know who did it.

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Right, and this is, you know, the part of our podcast where we try to just ask very

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rooted questions in evidence we have from the case and facts about the case, but it

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leaves room for speculation.

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And my brain is trying to come up with theories that I think it's a very normal part of engaging

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with this part of true crime.

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Yeah, you know, Hannah seemed like such, you know, like a bright young person and like

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had so much potential in front of them that you want to like figure it out and try to

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answer this because it's like how could someone take a light out of this world, especially

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someone that knew her?

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How could you do that?

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Yeah, I, you know, I can't agree more with you.

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You know, my least favorite part is revisiting the upsetting details of how someone's life

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was ended or taken.

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But in Hannah's case, being discarded down a ravine, it's very, it's just very upsetting

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and just lights that fire in me to become investigative myself.

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I agree with law enforcement in that she knew the perpetrator or perpetrators.

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I know law enforcement said that the tweets had nothing to do with her death and that's

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fine.

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But at least for me, while this case is fresh to me, I'm interested.

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Quite possibly my brain is trying to correlate them to come up with an answer, but the tweets

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for me led me to think that someone was bothering her and it's possible that that person lived

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in the complex or someone who lived close by who knew where she lived, which in both

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of those circumstances, those people would know those woods.

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So again, you know, my question to you is, do you think as far as perpetrators go that

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either of those are possibilities here in relation to the tweets as well?

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Yeah, I would be very curious to have like all of her communications.

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You know, we know she was using her Nintendo DS to communicate with people.

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She didn't have a phone at this time.

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From my understanding, she didn't have a cell phone.

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So I would be curious to read all her social media that police have and like, you know,

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those direct messages, the private messages, all of that to get a better understanding

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because I, again, I don't know if I'm just trying to like force meaning into the tweets

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in order to solve this case.

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But yeah, to me, it's like, okay, like, sure.

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Maybe you know, the one where she says, you know, I got me an ugly ass stalker.

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Like, yeah, okay, maybe that's referring to a boy at school.

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But she mentions like the apartments, like, I need to get out of here.

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Like there's like weirdos where I live and I'm very much paraphrasing here.

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We'll have the tweets on our Instagram at Cold and Missing so you can see for yourself.

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But she mentions just the people in the apartment a few times, which wouldn't be related to

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like her teenage drama, you know, unless maybe some kids from school also lived there too.

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But still, like, I don't know, it's just referencing the apartments is just kind of like an adult

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issue to me for like a teenager to be tweeting out.

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Like, I don't know.

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That's just my thought.

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It didn't seem it didn't seem just like teen drama to me.

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But again, I don't have all all of the facts and all of the evidence.

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Which brings me to my next thought or question.

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Do you think that police or law enforcement were holding cards close to their chest because

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she because she's a child because she's a minor?

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I do think that's some of it.

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Yes.

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You know, I can't help but wonder if like, part of the reason they never named like a

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suspect or anything is because maybe they're a minor too in 2012.

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Again, all speculation, but it's just something I wonder if that's why nobody was ever named

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and things were kept really close.

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And you know, like, police seem to like kind of imply like parents talk to your children.

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And then also kind of seem to talk to kids of like, you know, maybe you weren't there,

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maybe you weren't involved necessarily, but know something.

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So it seems like to me, police believe that whoever did this likely talked to someone

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likely told someone, or somebody would have known maybe that they were going to see Hannah

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or meet Hannah or talking to her that day, whatever the case may be.

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So that's what I kind of wonder and their silence in this case specifically and how

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they've dropped details over, you know, the years.

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Well, again, you know, just like my hope with every episode, I'm I'm grateful to know Hannah

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Truelove now.

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And I hope that us covering the case will spark some more people to do their own investigation,

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maybe some more people cover the case and something happens.

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You know, we see movement and I would love nothing more to to see this case solved.

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Yeah, I'm hopeful that this case will be solved.

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It does seem like police feel pretty confident in their suspects.

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I really hope it's not tunnel vision.

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And you know, they do have their sights on the right person.

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Hopefully, you know, the technology gets there and we're able to pick up more DNA or more

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evidence or whatever it is they need to really bring those charges and bring justice for

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Hannah.

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It wasn't that long ago, people still have memories from that time.

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Somebody knows something.

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So again, if you know anything about the murder of Hannah Truelove in August of 2012, please

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contact the GBI Region 8 Cleveland office at 706-348-4866.

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You will be able to see pictures of Hannah and details about the case on our Instagram

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at Cold and Missing.

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We will also have graphics of screenshots of Hannah's tweets.

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