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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.

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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.

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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases.

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Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.

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I'm your host, Ali, and happy new year!

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It is 2025 officially.

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This is the first episode of 2025.

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And we're going to be doing something slightly different this week.

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Eli will not be joining us this week, but that's because I have a special guest.

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On today's episode, I had the honor of chatting with Ruby Hall, who is Elisa Roberson's sister.

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We're going to be covering Elisa’s case today.

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And throughout the episode, I'll be sharing with you the conversation that I was able

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to have with her sister, Ruby.

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There's a lot of conversation that we had, so I think we should just go ahead and get

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into it.

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Episode 114.

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And just as a bit of a content warning, there will be several mentions of domestic violence

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throughout the episode.

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Today, we are talking about the missing person case of Elisa Roberson.

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And this takes place in August of 1989 in Aransas Pass, Texas.

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But first, a little bit about Elisa.

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And I think it's only appropriate to start with how Ruby remembered her.

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She was the oldest one, so of course with that, she had some responsibility, you know,

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kind of watching over us little ones.

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So she was always the one that kind of my mom kind of left in charge to, you know, if

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she, for whatever reason, if my mom was gone, it was always, you know, Elisa to make sure

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that we were doing what we're supposed to be doing.

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And even if mom was there and we were outside playing or, you know, if we weren't doing

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what we're supposed to be doing, and Elisa told us, you know, mom said da da da da da,

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we just would automatically get scared like, oh my gosh, she's going to tell mom if we

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don't listen.

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So I mean, we weren't we weren't we didn't always listen and we didn't always do what

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we were supposed to do.

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Elisa was born in Nicaragua.

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Her father passed away when she was just a baby.

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But her mother soon met Jean, an American man who worked in the shrimping industry.

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He had been sent to Nicaragua to pick up a boat when he met and fell in love with Marina.

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Jean will ask Marina and her daughter Elisa to come to the United States to get married.

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Soon after arriving in the US, Marina got pregnant with Ruby, Elisa's younger sister.

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Elisa and Ruby were only about a year and a half apart in age.

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And because Elisa was held back a grade in school, they were actually in the same grade

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as well.

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Elisa picked up English faster than her mother.

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So from a young age, she was able to translate for her mother.

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Over the years, Marina will have another child with Jean, a son named Tony.

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But eventually, Jean gets in trouble with the police.

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He's involved in a bar fight that gets out of hand and he ends up having to spend time

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in jail.

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With Marina on her own and vulnerable with three children, she ends up meeting a new

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man named Ralph.

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Ralph at first seemed like a good guy.

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I think about the time Ralph came into the picture.

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I think that my first memories of him I was about five years old.

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And I think that's about when he came into the picture.

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And of course, at the time, my mom didn't know.

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She was just she was vulnerable.

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She was just in a vulnerable situation.

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But when when Ralph came along, she didn't think she thought he was a you know, she didn't

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know she didn't know his history.

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She didn't know that he was into drugs.

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She didn't know that he was a bad guy.

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She just she had no idea.

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He had actually the way she said that the way they met was somebody was actually some

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guy was bothering and harassing her and she was she was being followed by this this guy

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who kept trying to be in a relationship with her and she didn't want to have anything to

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do with him.

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And she said one time he was just kind of following her around.

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And she started running and she didn't know where to hide because she was scared.

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And she said to be a I guess Ralph probably was in his yard or if I'm understanding or

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remembering right.

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He was in his yard and just told her to come in, you know, come inside my house.

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And then when the guy passed, he told him, you know, leave her alone.

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But eventually he ended up showing his true colors as an abuser.

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Yeah, he did some he was just really, really abusive, you know, really mean the things

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that do to us kids.

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And then he would flip and then just be it was just he was definitely a sadist.

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I mean, as an adult, I've realized he really liked to cause pain and he really liked to

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scare us.

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I think part of that game was he would do mean things to us, but then he would be nice.

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He terrorized Marina and her children.

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And then the things he would do to my mom, of course, like, I mean, he beat her, he beat

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her in front of us kids and he would take her.

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There were so many times where he would take her, you know, he'd beat her and take her

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and the kids, all of us kids.

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And he would take her to places like under the bridge, far away, remote areas, all those

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little kids in the backseat.

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And he would be telling her, I can I can do something to you.

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Nobody will ever know what happened to you.

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And nobody would care to come look for you.

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And what more of a threat also to have three of your your three kids in the backseat and

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while threatening to kill you.

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Marina will eventually have a child with Ralph as well, a little boy named Alex.

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But Ralph's terror, after years, would come to an end in 1989, when Marina finally is

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able to leave him for good.

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She and her four children lived on Whitney Street in Aransas Pass.

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I just remember to like we just were always, you know, especially that summer, we were

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always riding our bikes and we didn't we're Gen Xers.

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We didn't spend a lot of time indoors.

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We weren't playing video games.

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We weren't.

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I do remember Mario Brothers was just coming out and that was fun when we would.

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My sister, her best friend had a Mario Brothers little PlayStation thing.

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And we'd go over there and play.

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But the main thing we love to do is just hang out outdoors and ride their bikes and go and

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walk in, go into friends houses.

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And we didn't spend a lot of time indoors.

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Yeah, it was it was really fun because I remember when, you know, if there were kids picking

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on us, like she you never had to worry.

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You know, we had our big sister and she no matter what she was, we had her back.

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Nobody messed with us if Elisa was there.

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So she commanded some kind of respect being, you know, older one.

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And then she was also, you know, I didn't see it at the time.

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But look, she was she was very well-liked and and so she was kind of popular.

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She had a lot of friends.

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Elisa was funny and responsible.

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She was well-liked amongst her classmates and the neighborhood children.

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She was protective of her siblings.

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And now a timeline of events.

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On Sunday, August 6th, 1989, the night before, so that would have been Saturday night into

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Sunday morning, Elisa spent the night at her best friend, Sharla's house, and then ended

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up spending all day Sunday with her as well.

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It was normal for Elisa and Sharla to go to church together on Sunday night.

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They would take a bus that would leave around 515 in the evening.

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The bus would make rounds around the neighborhood and then arrive by six o'clock when the service

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would start.

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However, on this Sunday, Elisa made a last second decision not to go to church that night

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and decided to head home.

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We don't know that anything, you know, as far as we were concerned, she was just, you

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know, she when she got home, she's like, you know, I just, she told my mom, she just didn't

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feel like going to church.

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And to me, I just took it as she had spent a night and the whole day with Sharla and

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then she decided to finally come home.

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Maybe there was something else going on, you know, but at least it didn't seem like she

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was upset or, you know, when she got home, she didn't seem upset or anything.

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She just seemed like, you know, she just wanted to come home.

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Elisa is back to her house pretty quickly and it's believed that she got there right

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around 530.

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Within minutes of getting home, the phone rings and it's Elisa's friend, Debbie.

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So when when Debbie called, because I remember I was sitting there, Debbie says she didn't

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call her, but I swear to God, like I was sitting on the couch and the phone was right next

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to the table.

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And I'm the one that night with all the phone calls coming in and out, I was the one answering

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the phone because I was right there and the phone was right there on that side table.

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I just remember I was always answering the phone.

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So when Debbie called and she wanted to talk to Elisa, you know, Elisa said, hey, mom,

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you know, Debbie wants to know if I can come over.

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And my mom, of course, initially told her it's getting late.

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You just got home.

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Like, and Elisa didn't seem like she wanted necessarily wanted.

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She was kind of like the attitude was like, either way, didn't matter.

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So when Debbie said, you know, tell your mom I can meet you halfway because she told her

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Debbie my mom said it's getting late and I can't come and play.

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And Debbie said, well, I'll meet you halfway.

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Tell your mom I'll meet you halfway and my dad will bring you home.

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And so that's when my mom said, OK, well, then if that's the case, then then it's OK.

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We had another friend over that evening and they all three wanted to play together.

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Years later, it will be said that Elisa and her mother were fighting that evening.

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But Ruby does not remember a fight that evening at all.

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There was there wasn't a fight.

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And this is where it just blows me away.

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Like where this whole fight thing came from is just beyond me.

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There was never a fight.

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My mom and I weren't fighting.

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There was no disagreement.

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The only thing that I remember was when my mom says, well, tell Debbie it's getting

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too like my mom.

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There was like a little hint of annoyance.

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That was it.

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She says that Elisa and her mother rarely ever fought.

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Elisa was an easy child and also hadn't really reached the teenager attitude yet.

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By all accounts, once the plan has changed, Elisa's mom agrees to it.

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So that way she can go and play.

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She's more comfortable since Elisa won't be walking by herself and she won't be walking

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back in the dark.

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So Elisa heads out of the house.

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The exact time is unclear, but the family believes that it would have been shortly after

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5 30 as Elisa hadn't been home for more than a few minutes before her and Debbie made plans

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to hang out.

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We just it was just by chance that Elisa gets home and within minutes Debbie called.

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And I do remember vividly her getting a drink of water.

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I do remember her.

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I do.

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That's just so funny.

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Like she got a drink of water.

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I remember it was hot.

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So she gets a drink of water.

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She goes to the bathroom.

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I remember her fixing her socks.

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It's just so surreal.

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Like the little things you will remember.

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I just remember her fixing her socks.

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Like you know how you fold a sock down.

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You put you know she was just fixing her socks, like folding them over, making sure they were

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straight and then off she was.

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When Elisa left her home, her older next door neighbor saw her walking down the driveway

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as they were standing at the sink doing dishes.

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To get to the elementary school, it should have only taken around six minutes to walk

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there.

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Elisa would have gone north on Whitney Street and then head west on Goodnight Avenue.

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Right at the corner of Whitney and Goodnight Avenue lived the Pierces.

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When she started walking she there were the neighbors on the corner, the pierce out.

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That was where her little boyfriend on again off again little boyfriend crush Nathan lived.

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They were all outside when they talked to her.

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She was walking past and they talked to her, asked her you know what hey Elisa what's up,

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you know what are you doing?

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Oh I'm going to meet Debbie.

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So that could have taken like a couple minutes you know for her to talk to them.

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They told us that she just didn't really stop but kind of slowed down, talked to them and

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then kind of just kept walking.

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Others have come forward to say that they saw Elisa that day.

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Altogether about six folks saw Elisa leaving her home and heading towards the elementary

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school on Goodnight Avenue.

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The school was a little farther from Debbie's house than Elisa’s so Elisa would have made

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it to the school first.

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But when Debbie arrives to the elementary school Elisa isn't there.

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Debbie keeps walking towards Elisa’s house and also runs into the Pierces who are still

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outside.

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Debbie asked them if they have seen Elisa and they said they had.

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She had just walked by a few minutes ago headed towards the school.

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Debbie turns around and starts walking back towards her house to see if she can catch

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up with Elisa.

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Debbie walks all the way back to her house and there is still no sign of Elisa.

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She wasn't at the school, on route or waiting for Debbie at her house.

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Debbie then calls Elisa's home to see if she was there.

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Ruby answers the phone.

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However amount of time it was I don't know but at some point then Debbie calls.

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From that point on I was answering the phone.

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So Debbie answers she wants to know where Elisa is.

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I remember thinking okay she's probably talking to a friend.

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I didn't think anything of it and I was even annoyed at Debbie.

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I thought maybe Elisa and I were fighting but I don't I remember being annoyed and

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I think maybe it was Debbie I was annoyed at because I remember and I don't know and

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I don't care Debbie.

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I'm not thinking a big deal about it but my mom in the background when she heard I was

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talking to Debbie and she's hearing our conversation she yells from the kitchen because she's in

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the kitchen cooking and she goes tell Debbie Elisa should be with her right now and I kind

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of sense like there's like a little bit of panic in my mom's voice like that first onset

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and she and now when we've been able to you know as we're talking she said she knew as

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soon as Debbie called that's when her panic you know kind of started set in.

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Me I'm thinking maybe she's just talking to a friend.

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So we tell Debbie you know she's not here and she then Debbie says okay I'm going to

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go back and see maybe maybe I'll find her I'm going to go back and look for her and

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so she goes back I don't know how long she was gone again then some then the second time

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she calls that's when we start getting even more panic because then she called and said

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I didn't is Elisa there you know we went and looked for her we didn't see her and then

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she says I'm going to wait when my dad gets home I'm going to have my dad take me to look

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for her.

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Sometime passes again I don't you know then the next phone call it's Bob Green Debbie's

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dad he wanted to talk to my mom and so he gives I give the mom my the phone to my mom

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and that's when he asked her miss Mrs. Roberson is Elisa home and my mom said no and he said

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stay put we're going to go look for her and so then at that point I don't know how long

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he could have been gone half an hour maybe it was an hour we don't know for sure and

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then he finally he shows up at our house and he wants to talk to my mom he tells my mom

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miss Mrs. Roberson you need to call the police I remember his panic setting into like you

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know Mrs. Roberson you need to call the police now.

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It dawns on all the adults that something is really wrong here and it's time to call

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the police the police are called at around 9 45 p.m.

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I didn't know it until I got the police report that I was the one that made the phone call

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so my mom had me had me call and we asked you know I on the on the police report it

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says you know my sister hasn't come home yet my mom would like a police officer to come

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in and talk to her and so then at some point the police officer shows up at our house it

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was just one that I remember he talks to my mom and gets the report and you know just

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kind of remember him saying you know well she's probably just caught up playing with

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a friend and has lost track of time and maybe she'll show up and you know let us know if

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she doesn't come home it was kind of like just you know no big deal there was no urgency

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and then that whole night we were up all night between my mom and I we were both up I remember

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being up with my mom I couldn't sleep like neither of us could sleep and my mom was pacing

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she was looking out the window she would go outside she was just there was just it was

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just a horrible horrible night and I just remember always looking out the window and

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picturing her walking through the parking lot like she's going to come walking up any

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minute now I just think I was seeing her coming home and she just never came home.

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The next morning Monday August 7th bright and early Elisa's family is at the police

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station to report that she didn't come back that night they run into Detective Lieutenant

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Linda Thompson who was in charge of the juvenile division for the police department.

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Police protocol at that time said that any matter involving a juvenile Linda was supposed

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to be called to help assist in the matter.

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The night that Elisa went missing she was never notified.

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Detective Lieutenant Thompson immediately launches a full search in the neighborhood.

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The next memory I have is there's cops there's detectives cops whatever you want to call

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them in our house they wanted to go through some of my sister's things they took her

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diary they took a hairbrush they took some clothes they took some shoes a pair of shoes

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shirt a couple items of clothing and probably some other things and I remember the brown

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paper bags and so they they wanted to get the dogs Elisa sent and I think they wanted

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her hairbrush for her her scent and then her DNA was still fairly new at that time but

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like you know you could still compare hair to for sure yeah yeah and so I remember that

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and I remember the dogs I remember the helicopters yeah I remember there were people there were

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a lot of people there were my mom's friends that came over and my mom just couldn't sit

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home so between her and her friends we did like our little search parties and you had

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the foot explorers going here the search and rescue it was just chaos it was just pandemonium

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like people everywhere and news reporters there was there was there was so much going

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on and so much that was happening and that they were doing.

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Scent dogs are brought in and they are able to pick up Elisa's scent and it tracks it

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down to the school and then suddenly stops at the corner of 8th Street and Goodnight

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Avenue when the bloodhounds were when they brought the bloodhounds down the bloodhounds

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pulled her scent a little past the school police theorize that Elisa got into a car

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at this point and her case is labeled as an abduction very quickly and it just became

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a blur there was just I mean there's things I remember but there was just so much going

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on and just just hoping and praying that that you're you know that she would come home that

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she would show up that something would come of it and I know for sure talking to Linda

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that that this went on for weeks you know the the search and rescue that there was a

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lot and we were as a family too we were as a family my dad was but I remember the initial

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boom of all the people and the chaos and talking to the police you know my mom was going to

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the police station them coming to our house my mom talking to them that there was there

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was quite a bit and and there were and I guess there were there were I just remember there

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were a lot of cops seeing cops I remember seeing a lot of I guess they were search and

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rescue people around the town you know you you know it wasn't just just in our area you

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know our house was a was a you know a lot of people coming in and out and our family

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and you know friends when I say family my dad really was the only family but my mom

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had some really close friends that we consider to this day there we consider them families

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so when I say family that's what I mean they were really good friends of my mom's and a

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handful of them and we we did our you know going to the newspaper getting flyers passing

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them out looking walking I remember it being so hot and walking and walking and being thirsty

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I remember being so thirsty and just walk in the whole town just passing out flyers

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asking people if they've seen my sister and and Linda I didn't know about this but they

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also had their family there's a lot of you know her sons and so there were a lot of people

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too that I didn't I wasn't aware that were helping us too she said it lasted weeks where

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they were working seven days a week then they kind of scaled down you know went down for

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seven days a week to six days to five to it starts to slow down when you can't can't

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find anything after the month of August police hadn't found any sign of Elisa besides her

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sent trail police switched gears from physical searches to working their way through all

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of the leads and tips that have started to come in about Elisa's disappearance Elisa's

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mother suspects Ralph in her disappearance he had been terrorizing her and her family

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that summer but police are able to determine that Ralph was serving time in a Mexican prison

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when Elisa disappeared slowly all the leads fizzle out and the case becomes cold in 1993

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four years after Elisa vanished the family moved away from Aransas pass we moved from

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Aransas in I think it was 1993 we left the state because my mom just she was she was

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still afraid she didn't know what was if whoever took Elisa was going to come and hurt us and

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so we didn't know and we didn't talk to it was it was totally we left under you know

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in the middle of the night she didn't want anyone to know we were instructed not to tell

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anybody you know her church was helping her was helping us and they said if you because

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she said I'm just so scared I don't want Ralph to find me there and so we left and don't

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ask me how we did this but this was in the day where they must not have checked our ID

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because we were flying and we went under assumed names we we didn't use her I don't know and

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the tickets were in these assumed names so I don't know how this was pulled off I really

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don't so I don't know but this is this this is how secret this operation quote unquote

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operation was she was terrified and they they were helping her get out for her protection

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and our safety they moved us up here because they were from here they're from this town

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Idaho Falls and they were there was a bishop and his wife Mormon bishop and his wife at

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the time we were Mormon and so they my mom had gone to them and said I'm just I'm terrified

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and I don't know what to do I don't have any money I don't have anywhere to go but I need

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to leave and that's when I said okay do you care where you go because you know and they

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we didn't even know where we were going we didn't know we didn't know when we landed

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that we were in Idaho we didn't know they didn't want us to know because they were afraid

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we might say some or it might slip right that's how secret that was wow that's why we ended

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up in Idaho Falls and so and it's okay if either you don't want to talk about this or

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maybe you don't even know but um was your mother's fear in 1993 to like move you all

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away was that just fueled by the memories of Ralph or had he started like stalking and

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intimidating her again um after Elisa's disappearance she saw him she saw him he was he was back

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in town again he had been gone for a while and then she hadn't seen him um since 1989

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and then all of a sudden he was back in town and so that's what that's what triggered her

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her fear when she saw him coming around in 1994 an age-progressed picture of Elisa is

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generated and sent out via mailers all across the country her mother had this to say at

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the time quote this will be a big help because that shows we're not giving up on her I

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just keep hoping that one of these days somebody who knows something will come out with some

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information that way if she's dead I can put her to rest and if she's alive we can bring

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her home some people say I'm living in the past I'm not living in the past Elisa still

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is my child end quote the age-progressed photo does generate some tips about 60 from all

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across the country however only 13 of the tips contained enough information for the

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police to track them down police captain Mike Thompson at the time said quote several calls

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were like I saw this girl coming out of Kmart six months ago how are you going to check

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it end quote some of the tips did turn up girls that looked a lot like Elisa but further

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investigation all revealed not to be her every lead a dead end the next big update comes

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in June of 2001 so Elisa has been missing for 11 years and an anonymous letter is mailed

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to Chris TV they received a map a map and somebody saying that this is where her her

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remains are I don't even have a lot of information this part gets overlooked a lot I don't have

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a lot of information on that if they followed up I I think they did follow up on it and

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they looked in the area but I never saw the map the envelope contained a map that was

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supposed to show the location of Elisa's remains police review the map and are able

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to recognize the location but that's about it police captain Mike Thompson said quote

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we haven't been able to find anything that matches the area on the map we would hope

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that whoever drew it would be more specific and quote police never reveal the location

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mentioned on the map and as far as I'm aware there were never any digs as far as searching

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for remains in the location where the map was besides just like a physical eyeball search

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of the area nothing more extensive than that as the years drag on the family will start

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to work more and more on Elisa's case themselves the family is able to connect with a government

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investigator that volunteers his time and resources to the case so he was able to get

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some of the case files from the police department at the time but they were heavily redacted

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yeah and very limited and this is why we're suing the police department now because we

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want the case files in their entirety we don't want any redactions but what by law has to

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be redacted like you know social addresses things like that right so and and we believe

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if we can get in there to see certain findings there there are things that then we can look

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at we can focus on we can then go down because honestly it's really hard it's really hard

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for you get it if a police department is short staffed or if they're stuck in a loop and

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they they can't that's why we have people from the outside coming in trying to help

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we get it we get it you know people are you know police departments are short staffed

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that's that's why they make you know special units for just you know the cold case homicides

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and they they put a couple of detectives over that and say you guys are going to just focus

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on the cold cases because there is it is a lot of time and effort and on top of you doing

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your your main job in 2016 Elisa has been missing for almost 27 years at this point

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and there is a shift in the case police get a tip that leads them to bring in cadaver

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dogs and ground penetrating radar to the home where the family lived on Whitney Street when

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Elisa went missing the cadaver dog indicates at a spot and the ground penetrating radar

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finds an anomaly in the ground soil samples from the area are collected and sent off for

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testing almost overnight the suspicion turns on the family when we went down in 2016 it

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was a witch hunt they were coming after my mom they made it very clear to my mom that

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they believe she she killed Elisa and they made it clear there was no mistake and like

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not only on top of everything that was put out on the news to for everyone to know that

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they were searching our childhood home for remains I mean it was put out there they all

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told this to us told me that I I was covering for my mom that I knew what happened and that

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I needed to it was time for me to come forward and to say what happened and and it's time

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for my mom to you know to come clean the police get as far as saying they know where Elisa's

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remains are at it's just a matter of logistics to get them what this tells me is with everything

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that happened in 2016 they believe that my sister's remains are in our somewhere on the

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premises of our childhood home they believe they they do they believe or they they've

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put that out there but they do not want to move forward in what they need to do to recover

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those remains because it would compromise the foundation of the home we we know her

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remains are not there because we we know what happened that day she left our home that day

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and we never saw her again and they really want us to believe that when you find where

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you believe there is a body the next natural step is then to recover the body you don't

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sit on it and for eight years rumors run rampant in the town and people were turning on us

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as we're down there all of a sudden you have people who are supporting you who are your

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friends and now all of a sudden they don't want to talk to you they don't want to have

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anything to do with you people who were my friends like all of a sudden i don't see them

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on my facebook anymore they're they've blocked me and i couldn't understand like what on

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earth is going on captain roads tells ruby that they also find bone fragments and tissue

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and that an arrest would be coming within days they they told me captain roads told

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me that they found what they believed to be bone fragments and and tissue and that they

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were going to be sending in these samples to be tested and that they would be making

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an arrest within days he told me this and in 2016 yes he told me that oh my god yes

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yes and my mom says well should i get an attorney because they're already making turrets they're

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going to arrest me yeah i was so naive i said no mom they have no but they have no they

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can't there's no they're just lying to us mom they're just trying to riled up but you

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know what people have been people have gone to prison with less but the days come and

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go and police never arrest anyone alice's body is never recovered the soil sample results

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are never released and there has been no confirmation that the bone fragments and tissue ever existed

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or were ever tested and ided in 2023 and 2024 ruby and her family decide to put themselves

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back out there and begin pushing for answers in alice's case again and and and that's

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why in the last year we finally we we decided we need to take it into our own hands because

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we're never going to get they're never going to be open about it they're never so we just

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we have to do it and we're going to have to do it the only way we know how is to to talk

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to the news the media and do do my own stuff online the podcasters and and i just started

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writing letters to to anybody and everybody every agency every cold case agency foundation

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for for help and and finally i think with all our pushing we finally finally finally

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got the the the cold case missing persons unit with the attorney general's office now

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now they they have agreed to look into my sister's case and so i think with all the

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pushing and the pressure we finally the police department finally decided to ask them to

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help and to to give them the files there's also new leadership coming into the aransas

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past police department as of 2025 i think you know kind of my last question for you

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is just you know over this next year what do you hope to see like what what would you

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like to see happen in your sister's case oh my gosh well okay so first i know that now

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that the ag is i hope i i know at some point they're going to reach out to us so i'm excited

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for that because now it's officially there they're they're going to re-examine the case

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and so i know two things can come out of this is number one once they they're able to do

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their thing you know do their report i know that once they look at at everything that

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was done they're going to there there's going to be vindication for my family there's going

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to be they're going to be able to say what what what the hell was was all this you know

452
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right they're going to be able to say you know the family is not anywhere near being

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suspects so right we're going to have that but the most again no matter what at the end

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of the day it doesn't matter what happened in 2016 does it matter who said what who hurt

455
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at the end of the day vindication is not even the main thing right now you know at the end

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of the day it's bring resolution to my sister's case and i have to remember that because as

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angry as i get and as much as i want vindication and as much as i want them to basically you

458
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know for lack of a better word apologize to our family and and just tell us once and for

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all what what did you find in 2016 that doesn't matter none of that matters none of that really

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matters at the end of the day at the end of the day it's bringing Elisa home and so i

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have to step back to and as much as i'm hurt and angry at all of this you know that happened

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um in 2016 it's just our our main thing our main goal is finding Elisax is bringing her

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home i don't think that anybody will ever be held responsible for what happened to her

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i don't think we'll ever find justice but i'm i hope that someday there's there's going

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to be a somebody a set of remains that somebody finds that they are able to match with the

466
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leases that's how i think it's going to happen i think it's going to be by accident that

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a set of means are found and that they do dna testing and find it's Elisa i don't i

468
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i truly don't believe that someone's going to come forward and say they know what happened

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i just i just don't feel that but i could be wrong and i don't think it's going to

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be a gotcha we solved this case i i think it's going to be a by accident thing that

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that our case is solved or at least that her remains are found we we don't believe that

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it's ever going to be solved quote unquote and that's where the case stands of today

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if you know anything about the disappearance of Elisa Roberson in august of 1989 or her

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whereabouts today please call the aransas past police department at 361-758-5224 or

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if you want to leave a tip online you can use the attorney general's online tip submission

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which the link will be in our episode show notes i just want to say thank you again so

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much for ruby for her time we talked for almost three hours the other day but just a really

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incredible sister and an incredible advocate for her sister's case she's really out here

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doing the heavy lifting writing to podcasts a foundation so thank you so much again to

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ruby for making time for me to chat with us um about her sister's case we will of course

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of be back to our regular scheduled program Eli will join us and we'll just keep rolling

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through 2025 thank you so much for listening to cold and missing i'm your host Ali have

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a good week and stay safe y'all