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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.

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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.

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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases.

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And missing person cases.

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Hello everyone and welcome back.

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Welcome back everyone.

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I am Eli.

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And I'm Ali.

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And this is Cold and Missing.

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I think this is episode 48.

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It is episode 48.

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You want to just take us right in?

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Yeah, let's get into it.

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Let's do it.

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So today I have for you a cold case.

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And just as a content warning at the top, this case does involve a young person.

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Today we are going to be talking about the cold case of Chance Douglas Smith.

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And this takes place in December of 2003 in Locust, North Carolina.

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But first a little bit about Chance.

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Chance is six years old in 2003.

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He was born June 11th, 1997.

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And he would be 26 years old today.

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Chance was a kindergartner at Stanfield Elementary School where he was recently named student

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of the week.

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As a student of the week there was a bulletin board with his picture and his favorite things

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listed.

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These are Chance's favorite things.

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The mountains.

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Macaroni and cheese.

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Rock music.

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Hardee's.

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Zebras.

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The color orange.

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And playing outside.

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Chance's 17 year old cousin said quote, he was always happy.

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He wasn't scared of nothing.

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He played football, basketball.

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He could shoot pool.

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He could ride a four wheeler like crazy.

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Everywhere I went he went.

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His family said that Chance was so good at pool he could easily beat people three times

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his age even though he could barely just see over the table.

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Chance loved the outdoors and by all accounts was a very happy child.

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And now a timeline of events.

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On Saturday, December 13th, 2003, Chance is spending the weekend with his grandparents

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in Locust, North Carolina.

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This is a rural community with a population of around 3,000 at this time.

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It's about 20 minutes outside of Charlotte, North Carolina.

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Chance is playing outside with a family dog while his grandfather, Randall, worked on

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an engine.

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At one point, Randall stepped inside to grab something for the engine he was working on.

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At around 2:30 p.m., a neighbor reported that they saw Chance follow the family dog into

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the woods.

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Chance was a child that was comfortable in the woods but he usually had an adult with

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him.

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When Randall comes back outside, Chance is gone.

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Randall says, quote, I hollered, Chance?

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He didn't answer.

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I took off down through the woods after him.

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Four or five of my buddies started calling him too.

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Now near Chance's grandparents' house, there were neighbors close by.

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So from this quote, I take it to mean that Randall did call some friends or neighbors

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to help search for Chance right around that 2:30 mark when Chance goes missing.

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After searching the woods, Randall's friends convinced him to go back to the house and

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call police.

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So at 3:44, the family reports him missing.

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This is just over an hour after Chance was last seen walking into the woods.

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Very quickly, police, firefighters, and over 100 volunteers from the community, some reports

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even say it was around 150, they all spring into action to search for Chance.

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They have volunteers with dogs, and they even talk about launching a helicopter for an aerial

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search, but the weather doesn't allow for this.

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More people start to show up to help search for Chance, but police organizers turn them

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Police tell them that they want to preserve the area as a possible crime scene, just in

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At this time, they have no evidence that a crime has occurred.

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A member of Chance's family, his name is Joe Proctor, says, quote, you had a couple

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hundred people standing around doing nothing.

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Most of us grew up around here and we farmed on this land.

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We know our way around.

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What is more important, a six-year-old's life or preserving a crime scene that they

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At around 11:30 p.m., nine hours after Chance was last seen, a line of searchers find Chance

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face down in a horse pasture.

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The pasture where he is found is less than a mile from his grandparents' home.

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He had what was described as a blow to the head.

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When searchers found him, he did not have a pulse and he was not breathing, but he was

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still rushed to a nearby hospital where doctors worked to try to revive him.

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But on Sunday, December 14, 2003, at 3:08 in the morning, Chance is pronounced dead.

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Randall, his grandfather, had been close to where Chance was found earlier that day.

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He says, quote, if they hadn't called me back from where I was, I would have found him in

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I was with the search party.

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I was just about 75 feet from him when we found him.

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Police are calling Chance's death an unattended death and tell the media they are going to

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wait for the autopsy results, but they are suspicious.

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Locust police chief Mike Haigler says, quote, for a six-year-old, it would have been a lot

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of work to traverse all that.

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We've got a lot of questions right now.

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Randall believes it was an accident.

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He says, quote, it was an accident.

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Family and friends are confused as to why it took nearly eight hours to find him when

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he was less than a mile from the home.

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Rumors begin circulating that Chance died of hypothermia from getting lost and it taking

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too long to find him.

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of getting kicked in the head by a horse.

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On Monday, December 15th, Chance's autopsy is conducted and police publicly start to say

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that the death is accidental, but behind the scenes, the police feel it is still a suspicious

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death.

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The Locust police start to put together a task force to be on standby in the event there

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is foul play detected.

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Again, police chief Haigler says, quote, there are too many questions out there.

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If you write it off as accidental, you find out you have to backtrack later.

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The task force is made up of not only Locust police, but the Stanley County Sheriff and

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the State Bureau of Investigation.

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The next day, Tuesday, December 16th, police get the autopsy results back and the case

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is officially ruled a homicide and police have no doubts about the results.

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Police won't go into specifics, but they do say that Chance died due to traumatic injuries

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to the head.

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Lieutenant James InMan says, quote, the medical examiner had no questions about the

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nature of death.

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While homicide is rare for Locust, North Carolina, Chance's murder will be the only one in recent

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Police do believe that it is an isolated incident.

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Officer Steve Ridenhour says, quote, I don't think parents should have any fears of there's

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just a killer on the loose running through the neighborhood.

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Police begin conducting interviews and following leads well past midnight, but they don't

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have any theories or suspects at this point.

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And on Wednesday, December 17th, Chance's funeral is held and he's laid to rest.

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Around 200 people attend the service and Chance's principal brought cards that his classmates

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had made.

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They said things like, we had fun playing together.

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I remember Chance and me building sand castles and throwing sand at each other.

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Chance sat at my table.

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I miss him so much.

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And then after Chance's funeral, it appears that the case goes cold.

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The media stops reporting on it and there isn't even the yearly updates that we tend

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to see in these cold cases.

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The next update that I could find comes from December 2008.

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So this would be five years after Chance's murder.

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The Stanley News and Press talk with the Locust police chief, Mike Haigler, who says that they

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have had many leads and that they have a lot of information about the suspect, but they

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don't go into specifics of who the suspect is.

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Police Chief Hagler then says this about Randall, Chance's grandfather.

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Quote, we know he knows who it is, but for what reason he is not willing to cooperate

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with us.

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And it's also been revealed after the fact that through the investigation, they believe

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that Chance was murdered in a different location than the horse pasture and then later placed

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there.

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But when they came to this conclusion and how is unclear, but this is information that

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the North Carolina Bureau of Investigation has put out on Chance's poster for information

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wanted.

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And with that, if you know anything about the murder of Chance Smith in December of

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2003, please call the Locust police at 704-888-4744.

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And the sources for the timeline today come from the Charlotte Observer, Winston Salem

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Journal, the News and Observer, News and Record, the Herald Sun, the Stanley News and Press,

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medium.com and the North Carolina Bureau of Investigation.

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So that is the case of Chance Smith.

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Wow.

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Always painful, you know, to hear about the loss of a child in any capacity.

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But especially like this.

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The first thing I heard in my head was to know the true existence of like the purity

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in a miracle.

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There is the existence of the purity and Ev- in evil.

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That's what this like felt like to me and hearing it.

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That's just pure.

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It's just pure evil, loss, unfair, like everything that's wrong about it.

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It's like turned all the way up to 100%.

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There's like nothing you can, you know, within like moments, a handful of moments, like it's

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for a second you walked in the house.

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Yeah, that's one thing that I couldn't get over.

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You know, a lot of times cases we cover, maybe there's some delay and usually it's the police's

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You know, they delay.

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But here, you know, family, friends, neighbors, it seems like we're instantly in the woods

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looking for him.

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Which also makes me think that this makes me I just feel disgusted about this.

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I'm like, was someone just watching him and like waiting?

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You know, I mean, pretty much any forest I think you can go just a couple feet in and

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disappear.

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And that disgusts me because when you are an adult, like one trauma in your life is

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like taught you to like be afraid and look out for yourself, you know, that's like you

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you're taking advantage of like the innocence of someone like enjoying whatever, you know,

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a six year old enjoying nature.

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And again, the presence of like how truly evil that would be.

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Yeah, you know, the family responded really quickly and we're in the woods relatively

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quickly after chance was last seen, you know, the grandfather steps inside, he comes back,

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hollers for him, goes in after him.

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But then, you know, just a little bit over an hour later, they call the police, the police

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respond in a way that we kind of always want them to respond.

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They take it seriously.

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You know, they they're there.

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Firefighters are there.

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The community shows up.

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You know, they have volunteer dogs.

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They talk about trying to get a helicopter up like that.

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That's the kind of response that we want when anybody is missing.

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But if a child goes missing, you know, it doesn't matter if you think they ran away.

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Like I'm using air quotes right now, but it's like we need to find children that go missing.

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Period.

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End of story.

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That's how I feel.

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Yeah.

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And researching this these types of cases quite a bit like you don't see a response

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this big that often.

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Like initially, you said like 3000 people.

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Mm hmm.

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You said like 200 people showed up.

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That's a lot.

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That's like even home bodies that were like, it's time.

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I've seen him out my window or whatever.

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You know, like those people like, no, no.

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And you know, the police also kind of take it a step further in the beginning.

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And they start turning people away just like, you know, there's too many people.

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We we don't want to destroy a potential crime scene.

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Can I ask your opinion on something?

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Sure.

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So I also had the thought maybe it was it was an accidental death, but did involve other

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people.

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Like if, say, he was inside the house and like somehow fell, maybe no one was even in

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the room.

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He fell.

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And like, you know, kids, while they're resilient, they are also still very small.

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If you fall from high enough up, say a flight of stairs hit the back of your head.

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Yes, you can die on impact.

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An adult boom, an adult walks in the room, sees it, thinks what exactly the response

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is, you know, does like a very random thing in like, I mean, it wouldn't be my first response.

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But we have seen things like this before, you know, where people just are like, I want

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to take care of the mess.

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I want to hide it.

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So like something like that.

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Or he was playing with other kids and like something happened or someone like hit him

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and hit him way too hard.

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Or yeah, you know, something like that.

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I guess I was wondering, did you think that was a possibility?

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Yeah, I do think that's a possibility.

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So there are some rumors in this case that aren't printed in any reputable news sources.

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So I didn't want to include them in the official timeline.

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This is just like things I saw on social media, in the comment sections of stories, things

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like that.

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And, you know, a rumor that has persisted over the years is that Chance wasn't alone,

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that he was playing with another kid.

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The kid hit him too hard, hurt him.

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And then, you know, he tried to cover it up and the family figured out what happened.

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And so they tried to protect this nameless faceless, very much a rumor, very much not

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substantiated by any reputable news source, but that they try that the family is trying

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to protect this other kid.

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Yeah, I mean, the cops say he knows.

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That is a very confident statement for law enforcement to make publicly to say, I mean,

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those people, I assume I didn't I couldn't remember if you said if they are still alive

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or not.

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But like, I assume not in prison, like, yeah, there's never been an arrest around chances

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murder.

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That's that's loud.

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That like puts a very pressurized like target on that person.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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And chances grandfather from everything I have learned has moved out of the area.

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They bring him back in for questioning.

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But it's also one of those things where like, yes, that's a very competent thing for police

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to say.

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But like, also, like the police are saying we have a lot of leads, and that they know

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a lot about the suspect, but they don't have enough to like prove it beyond a reasonable

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doubt.

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So part of me just feels like they're kind of publicly saying it to put pressure on the

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grandfather to come up with information that maybe he just doesn't have because he doesn't

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know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's just one of those things.

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It's like, well, if you have all that information, and you have all these leads, and you know,

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you know, all of this, then like, why does it matter if this person is not cooperating

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or not?

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You should be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt without them.

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Well, thank you for sharing this case.

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I'm looking forward to making those graphics that help like be help the people become more

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visible.

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And I just would love that for chance and the family and to get this case back out there.

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Yeah, I wasn't able to find like any public pleas from the family asking for information.

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But what I did seem to find a lot of was chances classmates asking for information, kids he

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had gone to school with, you know, remember him from kindergarten and are still looking

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for answers are still searching to find out what happened to them.

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Yeah, I would imagine that a quite a bit of those kids turned into, you know, people similar

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to us.

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And some maybe not.

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But yeah, that that makes sense.

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So if you know anything about the murder of champ Smith in December of 2003, please call

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