Hello, I'm Brandon Martini, a commercial pilot and flight instructor.
And I'm Carson Vasquez.
I'm a private pilot.
And you're listening to the Aviation Mentors podcast sponsored by Stratis Financial.
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Welcome back everybody to another great episode of Aviation Mentors.
Today hopefully you can hear our improved sound quality.
We finally got our sound system hooked up with a Zoom L8 and some great speakers and
headphones and all sorts of things today.
It actually took us like two hours to set it up, but I'm really excited that we have
it.
I hope it sounds as good as it sounds to us.
I guess we won't find out until Friday when you guys get to hear this.
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We're excited to be using it and hopefully it'll just improve the listening quality for
all of our listeners.
But today we've actually got something near and dear to my heart and it's flying with
passengers.
That's what we're going to be talking about today.
It's an amazing feeling when you take your first passenger up and it's amazing feeling
when you take any passengers up really, especially sharing the gift of flight with other non-pilots.
It's kind of what sets everything up from a demo flight, you're technically really a
passenger that first flight, all the way up to becoming a pilot and taking up your friends
and family.
I remember my first flight when I took my passenger, I actually took up my son Austin.
I took up my sister Ashley and her now husband, not husband at the time, but now husband Andrew.
We all went for our first flight.
By the way, I had 42 hours or maybe 41.8 or something very low when I took up that entire
airplane full of passengers and about half fuel.
We went up for 30 minutes or an hour in the rental 172 that I was using.
That was kind of my very first time that I ever flew passengers and I just waited for
the day to do it.
I think I even took them, I don't know if it was the day I passed my checkride, if it
wasn't the day of, it was the next day.
Carson, who'd you get to take as your first passenger?
I think you might've talked about it on a different episode, but tell us about that
experience and what was that like?
Sure.
Well, starting off with the reasoning behind it, I took my dad.
To go into why I took my dad, I really appreciated the role my dad had to play in my flight training
because I was offered a half scholarship for my flight training for my private pilot and
I was up to $5,000 and I had to pay upfront the other $5,000 first.
So when I got this offer, I went home to my dad and I was like, dad, I'm really excited
about this.
I have to make it happen.
And he lent me $5,000 and I paid him back every paycheck until I paid that off.
So I really appreciated him giving me the opportunity to be able to fly.
So the day I passed my check ride, called my family, of course, and I went right home
and he was upstairs in his room and I was like, dad, we need to go flying right now.
I can take you up.
I could finally do it.
So he was like, no, no, we'll go tomorrow.
I was like, dad, we have to go right now.
So I think I talked about this part beforehand, but I went and took him back to the airport
and it was going to be night during our flight and I realized I wasn't night current.
So I had to go and get night current with my three night landings to a full stop.
And then I went and took them up.
So it was a pretty cool moment for me.
Yeah, that is a really special moment, kind of taking up any of your first passengers.
And to be honest, I should have never taken up three people on my first flight, one of
them being my son, the other one being my sister, and now my now brother-in-law all
at the same time.
I think that was probably pretty stupid of me to do.
What do you think?
Well, you know, you guys would go out like a team, but if you could do it again, when
would you take up your first passenger and who would you have taken?
I'm assuming not three people all at once.
That was definitely took some guts.
I was pretty confident my flying ability, but I don't think I was three passengers at
one time confident.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think I would have still taken up one of the same people.
I wanted my son to be the first one.
And in retrospect, that's probably wasn't the smartest idea.
He was young.
I think he was still, yeah, he was still in a car seat when I took him.
He sat in the back.
I can't remember if Ashley or Andrew sat up front, but I think Andrew sat up front and
Ashley sat in the back with Austin because he was kind of crying.
And I didn't know what to expect.
He wasn't excited to be in that airplane like I thought he would be.
Nowadays, obviously, he lands and he loves to get an airplane.
He can't wait till he gets to go in it.
But when he was three or four years old, that wasn't the case for sure.
So I probably would not have taken up a small child as my first passenger.
I don't think that was very brilliant of me.
Now, I was a young dad, still pretty young dad, but he just turned 12.
So I guess I probably wouldn't have taken up then as my first passenger.
I probably would have waited a little bit to kind of whet my whistle with getting everybody
flying with me.
I would have taken Ashley up or Andrew up first and then my parents and kind of one
by one, I probably should have taken a little slower.
And I probably should have really waited several hours.
I should have gotten a little bit more solo time under my belt because I was at minimum
solo time, minimum solo cross country time.
I mean, I barely ever flew without a flight instructor.
I should have flown with by myself or with another pilot a few more times.
I mean, at least that's definitely what I would have done.
So in retrospect, I would definitely would have kind of slowed my roll and taken some
more time.
And I've talked to a lot of pilots, a lot of pilots that I know who get their private
pilot certificate.
And they actually they have really good ADM, aeronautical decision making, like we've talked
about before.
They say that they would not take up their first passengers for another 10 or 20 hours.
I think that's a great idea.
And I know the whole idea usually is so you can take your friends and family up, which
is great.
But make sure you're comfortable with the airplane 100 percent because what can go wrong
will go wrong.
So just you have to be prepared for that.
And having a screaming child in the backseat, somebody throwing off their headset or somebody
throwing up in the airplane because you didn't do it that smooth or whatever maneuver you
were trying to do.
Those things can become overwhelming as a brand new pilot, somebody getting sick in
the plane.
I can't tell you how many times that's happened.
Probably 10 times.
I bet you Austin's been three or four of them.
But I've had other people too.
So you never know.
And that brings up another good point.
You've done a lot of training and a lot of maneuver training in your flight training.
But when you go and take up your first passenger, don't try and show them anything that you've
learned, especially not before you have some good solo time under your belt and doing those
maneuvers solo.
I wouldn't go and take my family off my first flight ever with a passenger and go and try
and still show stalls and steep flight because things are just going to be a little bit different.
And it's definitely making a nice, smooth, scenic flight like a demo flight and then
bring it back down.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Don't go do stalls.
Don't go do slow flight.
Don't do, you were trying to say steep turns.
Don't do steep turns.
Don't go do maneuvers that you're going to get somebody sick with.
Remember, this might be their first time in a small airplane and you don't know if they
get seasick, which a lot of people that get seasick will get air sick or some people just
get air sick from being in an airplane.
They're looking at the wrong things.
Like you've been trained to look outside your entire time that you've been training as a
private pilot.
They are not trained to look outside.
They're probably still looking inside amazed that you even know what all the instruments
do in front of you.
So they're looking inside a lot and that's going to cause movement where they actually
get sick.
So make sure that you're really careful about that and always have six sacks with you.
They sell them for like a dollar or 10 cents.
I don't know.
You can get a whole pack of them for a few bucks at aircraftsbruce.com or sporties.com
or something like that.
So always carry those by the way.
But yes, don't go do any crazy maneuvers.
Don't show them what a stall is.
I don't care how much they like roller coasters.
It's different than a roller coaster.
They feel uneasy and they're trusting you already with their life.
So don't go scare them now that they're finally getting the aviation.
It could actually ruin it for them.
Instead, you want to do what Carson said a minute ago.
Take off, do a nice gentle takeoff.
Have a great time, scenic flight.
Go look like the poppies have been blooming for the past month or so in California.
Go look at the poppies blooming or go fly over the ocean.
Or if you're in a mountainous area, go take them pretty high over some great scenic areas.
Make sure that you've taken some mountain flying training by the way.
If you're going to go fly in the mountains, there's updrafts and downdrafts and all sorts
of density.
Altitude can be something big.
And remember, you've always flown an airplane with just you and your instructor usually.
Now you're bringing a person or a couple people that weigh different amounts.
And even in a 172, you put somebody in the back seat, everything feels different.
I mean, as a brand new pilot, it feels different.
So keep that in mind.
It's going to be different for you and you're not going to know what to expect until you
do it.
So you have to learn that way.
But if you're not super comfortable, then make sure you take up a CFI.
And going into your flight training, a lot of people are really supportive of you becoming
a pilot.
It's an incredible thing and a lot of people want to be a part of it.
And for those of our listeners who are in their student pilot stage of their flight
training, obviously you can't take someone up with just your student pilot license.
But can someone accompany them on a lesson with their CFI?
The short answer is it depends on the school's policy.
I know flight schools I've been at, most of them will say yes.
But it depends on where you go and what they say.
But I would highly advise against it.
And the reason why I would highly advise against it, you're going to be trying to talk to your
friend or your family member, whoever it is, or your kid in the backseat.
You're trying to show them all the things in the airplane and show them what you've
learned so far.
And it's not going to be a conducive lesson.
You really need to be there with your instructor by yourself.
You need to understand what he or she is saying.
You need to understand what that flight instructor is trying to convey to you.
And when you are trying to figure out what you're doing in an airplane and impress your
friends or show them the ropes, so to speak, or have a good time, you're going to waste
your money.
It's just not going to be a good lesson whatsoever.
So I highly suggest against it when you're flight training.
Now if you have the expectation that, hey, it's going to be a fun flight, let's go have
a good time and let's go have a fun flight, I think that would be a blast.
I would say that that is a really good idea.
If you know that you're just going to go spend the money and go have a good time and you
want to take your friend up, maybe you, the flight instructor and your friend can all
go to lunch somewhere or something like that and just have the expectation that you're
probably not going to learn very much, but you're really going to have a good time.
And I'll tell you this, some of those flights are some of my favorite flights.
I never took a student or a friend or family member up with me in the back seat, but I
can say after I did pass, I sure enjoy it a lot and it's worth it to have fun.
And sometimes when you hit a plateau or something, you might even need to bring someone with
you just so you can remember why you're doing this.
Like, why am I going through all this heartache and trouble and I'm getting headaches from
studying so much and all these other things.
You might want to, to add the fun back into it and go fly to lunch or something, go get
the so-called hundred dollar hamburger or whatnot.
That's really what it's about.
So I would say go have fun and go do that, but just know it's not going to be really
conducive to flight training.
You're not going to learn very much.
Yeah, I absolutely agree.
I've even told student pilots on several occasions when they're hitting that plateau, you need
to go have a fun flight.
And I've actually told that to pilots in all stages of their flight training.
Just it's what I've seen.
And when you hit that wall, you need to go and have a fun flight and remember why you're
doing it.
When I was having a problem with my landings and I just couldn't figure it out when I was
in my student pilot training, I told my instructor I wanted to go do a fun flight and that's
kind of what broke me.
I remembered why I'm doing this and like Brandon always says, you're only one or two or two
or three lessons away from a major breakthrough.
So you want to do in a fun flight and taking a passenger, absolutely okay.
As long as of course, as long as it's okay with your CFI or school.
But how does it affect the plane having an extra passenger in the back?
Yeah, it affects the plane a lot.
Like I said, if you have more people, obviously have more weight, the plane is going to take
longer to take off.
It's going to be, it's going to feel heavier.
Your landing will feel a little bit different if you have people in the back.
Every power setting is going to be a little bit, it's going to feel a little bit different.
So just having more people and more weight in the airplane is going to feel drastically
different.
So like I was saying, even if you from going with your CFI, let's say you have 130 pounds
CFI and now you take your 200 pound buddy, the plane is going to feel heavier.
It's going to take longer to take off.
You're going to start second guessing all the things that you learned in flight training.
Well, why is it taking so long for me to take off?
I wonder if something's wrong with the airplane.
No, nothing's wrong with the airplane.
You're just not used to the extra weight in the airplane.
You're not used to having to take a little bit longer to take off.
Obviously, by the way, make sure you're just a disclaimer, do a weight and balance.
And if something's really wrong with the airplane, have it checked out obviously.
But a lot of those things when you're going through as a brand new pilot, you're kind
of imagining certain aspects like slow climbs.
And it's because either density altitude or you're heavier or whatever it may be.
Do you remember your first solo flight when your instructor got out of the airplane?
Remember mine, I was like, holy crap, this plane is flying so fast and kids climbing
so fast.
I think that was definitely the fastest pattern I've ever flown.
Well, not ever, but you know, it felt like at the time, the plane got a got a serious
increase in performance.
Yeah, I had my own words to myself actually, when I when I pressed the power and I was
oh something, since it's a kid friendly, I'm not going to say it.
But I got on that runway and I was very nervous and obviously took off.
And you're right, having no CFI.
By the way, my CFI was like 140 pounds, one of those really light, light.
So you say, well, the years was even.
Wow, that's a big one.
Big difference, right?
So once once you take off, you can definitely feel the difference on that first solo flight.
So think about the opposite of that when you go take your first passenger, it's going to
be heavier, you're not going to get off the runway just as quick, you're not going to
climb as fast, all of those things, but still all the same principles from your POH and
what you've learned still apply.
All the airspeed still apply.
So do all the things you learned when you're training.
By the way, the CG is going to be different.
So when you go do your weight and balance, they don't just call it a weight, they call
it a weight and balance.
I highly suggest you keep your CG exactly where it should be.
If you go out of CG, you're going to get yourself into a big, big, big trouble.
One it's illegal.
And two, it might be irrecoverable from a stall.
So for example, when you take your first passenger in a plane like a Piper Cherokee or an Aero
or a Cherokee 6, there's a possibility that you can have a passenger that actually puts
you over CG nose forward and you actually have to put weight into the back of these
planes.
So you probably wonder why is he talking about CG and weight and balance when we're doing
this?
Because it really matters, especially on those types of airplanes where you can get out of
CG fairly easily with a new type of passenger.
It's not just putting somebody in the airplane and expecting it to be exactly the same.
It will be a little different.
So I've had several times where I have to put cases of water inside the back of an airplane
and I haven't done that in a really long time, but I did do that for a long time in whenever
I do certain trips with certain people in the airplane, I would have to put weight into
the back, especially in a Cherokee 6.
You're normally forward CG.
That datum line is like in front of the propeller.
It's an imaginary line obviously, but it's in front of the propeller.
So you can go forward CG on that type of airplane fairly quick.
But when you have that passenger in the back, your stall characteristics are going to feel
different.
Your steep turns are going to feel different.
All the maneuvers you practice will feel different.
So you shouldn't be doing them with a brand new person anyways, because what we said about
them getting sick.
But yeah, keep in mind the plane is going to be a lot different.
That's for sure.
That's so funny.
I never thought about adding weight to a plane to balance CG.
I guess I've never had that issue before though.
Yeah, it happens, especially if you have two big guys in the front of an airplane.
Luckily, I'm down I think 43 pounds today when I weighed myself.
So I can actually go in more airplanes and hopefully I won't have to put water bottles
in them.
Dude, do you think we can fly the icon together?
I think we can fly the icon together.
So everybody's been losing weight.
Exactly.
Carson's been losing a little weight too.
I've been on a journey, so I want to lose a little bit more.
It's been a fun one so far.
Now I can fly with more people in the icon, which is even better.
That was actually kind of my original thought process on it, because I was kind of almost
the max weight for the icon in the seat.
When the seatbelt wouldn't really fit around me anymore, I knew that was the time.
So I'm happy.
It fits nice and easy now.
That's awesome.
Congratulations.
You're hitting goals, dude.
Thank you.
But besides that, what are some of the common mistakes that people make when they're bringing
up their passengers?
Some really common mistakes is not giving a pre-flight briefing.
Don't tell them what's happening or the failure of not telling them what's going to happen
in the airplane.
You need to remind them that everything they're going to feel is a new experience.
They're going to feel like their stomach is falling out from under them at some point,
I'm sure, just because you do a maneuver a little bit too hard or they're going to feel
more than one G and that's going to feel very weird to them.
If you do go to a stall or something like that, you will scare them.
It's not a roller coaster.
They will think they're going to die for a split second.
The pre-flight briefing or the passenger briefing, which most people call, is really, really
important.
Positive exchange of controls.
If you're going to let your friend or family member touch the controls, well, you're the
PIC.
You need to remember.
You probably will because you're going to want them to feel the same thing you feel
all the time.
Exactly.
You're going to want to do that in the sky, obviously, not when you're on the ground on
landing or taking off or anything, unless you're a flight instructor.
It's a little bit different.
You want to really let them know exactly what they're going to expect.
Let them know exactly what not to touch.
By the way, you tell somebody not to touch a mixture and you tell them what the mixture
does, guess what they're not going to do?
They are not going to touch that mixture.
They are going to stay very far away from it.
I've had people, they've taken their legs because on a 172, your leg can be really close
to the mixture on the right seat.
They've actually taken their legs.
After I have that conversation with them about what the mixture does, they actually move
their legs over three or four inches away from it because they don't even want to touch
it because they're so nervous that the mixture will turn the engine off in the air.
I actually tell people what things do and I let them know, hey, if you are going to
use the controls or touch the controls a little bit, which 50-50, some passengers are like,
nope, you're flying the airplane.
I don't want to touch anything.
The other passenger is like, oh, give it to me right away.
I need to feel this experience.
You never know what kind of passenger you'll have until you have them, but explain everything
to them.
Explain to them when to shut up, when you're landing or taking off or when somebody's talking.
I know some airplanes have isolation mode and those isolation modes are really, really
good because you can isolate everybody and they can still keep on talking and jibber
jabbing in the airplane and you can just talk to ATC, but not all airplanes have that or
you might not even know how to use it if your airplane does have it.
I know several pilots are kind of like that.
I told my dad that planes have that pretty much a mute button for meeting all the passengers,
which is what the isolation does.
He said, well, you should tell your passengers when you get on the plane, I'm here to talk
to two people.
You're not one of them.
I'm here to talk to God and I'm here to talk to ATC.
That is pretty funny.
Did he really say that?
Yeah.
That was a good quote from him.
I like that quote from him.
We've got to have your dad on here one day.
We totally do.
I want to hear from his perspective on it.
Maybe we'll have my parents, maybe we'll have a parents day on here.
That would be pretty cool.
You know what we should do with Mother's Day coming up?
Oh, yeah.
We should have our moms on here talking about how afraid they were the first time we flew.
Yeah.
Oh, the first time we physically flew rather than not with them.
No, I'm with them just the first time we got up.
Have you taken your mom up yet?
Yeah, I took my mom and sister up.
My dad said, do you know when Richie Valens died, there was a video of his mom crying,
not my Richie, not my Richie.
My dad said, don't make your mom, not my Carson, not my Carson.
Oh, gosh.
He's like, don't crash.
Don't do anything stupid because I was taking up him or my mom, my sister.
Oh, nice.
Well, I remember taking my mom up.
I don't remember what airplane I did it in, but I've flown quite a few airplanes at this
point.
But I'm sure she was scared the first time I went and took that airplane ride, even though
she was one of the ones who gave me the gift certificates to start it.
But luckily, she's been very supportive of me.
Yeah, we definitely need to have them on here about their first flight and also on what
it was like seeing their adult children learn how to fly.
I mean, that's still nerve wracking.
I can't imagine the first day I let Austin solo.
It's going to be nerve wracking and exciting all at the same time.
And he's only two years away from being able to get a certificate and a glider.
So we'll see if he actually does that at 14 years old.
We'll see.
But back to the pre-flight briefing part, make sure that you are talking to your passengers
about positive exchange controls and telling them when to be quiet.
Those two things are probably the most important things.
Also, give them an emergency plan.
Just let them know, hey, actually, just like the airlines do, they say in the unexpected
event of an emergency or a water landing, that's how they say it, the unexpected event.
You can use their same wording.
If you could see Carson right now, he's doing the little finger movements.
Yeah, the little two finger points of the exits.
The one you came in.
Exactly.
By the way, we're going to try to make this a video pretty soon, now that we've got our
setup in our office.
And we'll probably launch that sometime in June or possibly at Oshkosh.
We will do full video by then.
You'll get to see my funny comments and faces.
I make it brand in the whole time.
Exactly.
Yeah, they are pretty funny, by the way.
He's natural funny looking, so it might help.
Yeah, I got a face made for radio, but it's a shame you guys get to see it.
So how should you handle when you have a scared passenger?
I know it's happened before to you a couple of times.
So what are you supposed to do?
Well, I was one of those scared passengers.
I remember telling you guys on one of my first episodes that I was going for the Oshut bar
up on the top of the airplane and it wasn't there.
So I couldn't do anything about that.
So how do you handle scared passengers?
You just need to talk to them in a really calm, collected voice.
So just your radio voice, right?
Calm collected voice.
Let them know, hey, relax.
Everything's okay.
Just with confidence.
So whenever you're confident in doing anything, it relaxes people.
So just make sure that you're confident in everything you're doing.
So whenever I'm even with a student, I am very, very confident in whatever I'm teaching
them.
Obviously, if I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm going to let them know, hey, I'm
not 100% certain on this particular thing, but this is the way that I believe it is.
And they will take that as, well, is very confident about his answer because he was
truthful in it.
So just tell them the truth.
So if you actually have an emergency and you've got to land in a field, tell them the truth.
Hey, this is what's going to happen.
Tell them step by step on what you're doing and say to relax and you've got it under control
and take care of that emergency.
Now if they're just scared because you just took off and they're in the air, which is
very possible, they've never been in a little small airplane.
They think that it's the most scary thing in the world, which it probably is to them.
Then you just need to give them some reassuring words and encouragement and comfort.
And obviously with those passengers, don't do anything stupid like go do stalls or something
with them.
You'll scare them and they'll never get in an airplane ever again.
That's not what we want.
We want to encourage more flying around.
So I would do that.
And then there's some passengers that are like, I need to get down.
I need to get down.
And I've had a couple of those and because you can't just get down real quickly, they
can't jump out of the airplane and be on the ground instantaneously.
You need to still talk with them very slowly and methodically and say, hey, look, it's
going to take about 10 minutes.
I want you to take some deep breaths and breathe and relax and just use, exude confidence with
them.
And then just go back until ATC that you'd prefer just to land and hey, you just want
to do one touch and go or something or whatever it was.
And you want to go back and land the airplane and then you can let that passenger out.
You guys can talk about it on the ground a little bit more, but just be really encouraging
and comforting and take it slow and methodical with them.
So they're not scared anymore.
I mean, you're basically their life is in your hands, literally, and they let you do
that, which is really an impressive thing.
That means they love you or care about you or really respect you or maybe all of the
above.
Or maybe they got a death wish.
Who knows?
Maybe a little bit of both.
Yeah, you never know.
But I'd also recommend talking to them beforehand and getting to know.
You usually have a pretty good idea of how scared they're going to be.
A, when you ask them if they want to go flying or if they ask you, which if they ask you,
they're probably not going to be too scared.
Finding out if they have a fear of heights, which typically doesn't translate to flying
an airplane for some reason.
A lot of people that are afraid of flights like Brandon, when they get an airplane or
just not.
So it's a little funny.
And just finding out if they're afraid of confined spaces, afraid of pretty much anything.
You'll have a pretty good idea of how that flight's going to go.
But again, make sure if they're requesting to go back, take them back.
There's no point in holding hostage.
So yeah, just follow what you think is right.
And getting to fly with a passenger, it's one of the reasons I started my aviation career
because you're just really nothing like seeing someone's face light up when they experience
that thrill and that freedom that you did the first time you flew.
And it's even more special when you're able to be the person to make that happen.
It really is.
I mean, getting to see the joy on someone's face of a first flight and you were the reason
for that, that's incredible.
It's one of my favorite things to do.
I know a lot of flight instructors don't like doing demo flights.
I think they're crazy.
So what if they're only 30 minutes, you got to do some ground.
You're opening up the world of aviation and flight to somebody brand new.
It's one of my favorite things to do.
And when you take your friends and family up, some of them get it, some of them don't.
But the ones who get it, it's way worth it.
They're just going to be in love with it forever.
And there's a movie out.
I think it's called 2-4 Right or 2-4 Left, something like that.
I can't remember the exact movie, but you can look up aviation movies.
It's about Van Nuys Airport and it's about the love of flight and it's about the romance
of aviation.
I would highly suggest everyone go watch that movie.
And if you haven't seen it, they've got two of them.
They have a regular one and they have a sequel to it.
Both of them are just as good.
But that first one, really, it just gets your emotions going about why we all started to
learn to fly.
It's fantastic.
So as we kind of close up, if you'd like to reach out to either one of us, you can always
reach us at Twitter or Instagram at MrMartiniGuy for me or for Carson, it's at Carson underscore
AV17.
You can also reach us via email our preferred way, Brandon at AviationMentors.com or Carson
at AviationMentors.com.
And we also want to give a big shout out to the one person who makes this happen.
He works his butt off.
He works so hard at making sure that the Aviation Mentors podcast is on time and we get our
social out there and he does everything behind the scenes and that's our producer, Phil.
So thank you so much, Phil, for doing all this for us.
Really couldn't do this without him.
So if anybody's wondering who's the one mixing and doing all the stuff in the back, that's
Phil and he is fantastic.
Thanks, Phil.
You're the man.
You make it all happen and we wouldn't be here without you.
And as a wrap up for the day, remember, we're here to guide you in your aviation journey.
So fly safe and enjoy the ride.
See ya.