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Hello, I'm Brandon Martini, a commercial pilot and flight instructor.

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And I'm Carson Vasquez.

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I'm a private pilot.

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And you're listening to the Aviation Mentors podcast sponsored by Stratis Financial.

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So buckle up because the aviation mentors are taking off.

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Welcome back everybody to another great episode of Aviation Mentors.

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Today hopefully you can hear our improved sound quality.

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We finally got our sound system hooked up with a Zoom L8 and some great speakers and

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headphones and all sorts of things today.

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It actually took us like two hours to set it up, but I'm really excited that we have

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I hope it sounds as good as it sounds to us.

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I guess we won't find out until Friday when you guys get to hear this.

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So if anybody likes the new quality, please let us know.

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We're excited to be using it and hopefully it'll just improve the listening quality for

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all of our listeners.

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But today we've actually got something near and dear to my heart and it's flying with

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passengers.

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That's what we're going to be talking about today.

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It's an amazing feeling when you take your first passenger up and it's amazing feeling

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when you take any passengers up really, especially sharing the gift of flight with other non-pilots.

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It's kind of what sets everything up from a demo flight, you're technically really a

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passenger that first flight, all the way up to becoming a pilot and taking up your friends

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and family.

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I remember my first flight when I took my passenger, I actually took up my son Austin.

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I took up my sister Ashley and her now husband, not husband at the time, but now husband Andrew.

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We all went for our first flight.

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By the way, I had 42 hours or maybe 41.8 or something very low when I took up that entire

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airplane full of passengers and about half fuel.

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We went up for 30 minutes or an hour in the rental 172 that I was using.

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That was kind of my very first time that I ever flew passengers and I just waited for

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the day to do it.

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I think I even took them, I don't know if it was the day I passed my checkride, if it

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wasn't the day of, it was the next day.

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Carson, who'd you get to take as your first passenger?

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I think you might've talked about it on a different episode, but tell us about that

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experience and what was that like?

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Sure.

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Well, starting off with the reasoning behind it, I took my dad.

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To go into why I took my dad, I really appreciated the role my dad had to play in my flight training

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because I was offered a half scholarship for my flight training for my private pilot and

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I was up to $5,000 and I had to pay upfront the other $5,000 first.

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So when I got this offer, I went home to my dad and I was like, dad, I'm really excited

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about this.

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I have to make it happen.

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And he lent me $5,000 and I paid him back every paycheck until I paid that off.

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So I really appreciated him giving me the opportunity to be able to fly.

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So the day I passed my check ride, called my family, of course, and I went right home

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and he was upstairs in his room and I was like, dad, we need to go flying right now.

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I can take you up.

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I could finally do it.

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So he was like, no, no, we'll go tomorrow.

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I was like, dad, we have to go right now.

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So I think I talked about this part beforehand, but I went and took him back to the airport

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and it was going to be night during our flight and I realized I wasn't night current.

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So I had to go and get night current with my three night landings to a full stop.

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And then I went and took them up.

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So it was a pretty cool moment for me.

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Yeah, that is a really special moment, kind of taking up any of your first passengers.

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And to be honest, I should have never taken up three people on my first flight, one of

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them being my son, the other one being my sister, and now my now brother-in-law all

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at the same time.

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I think that was probably pretty stupid of me to do.

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What do you think?

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Well, you know, you guys would go out like a team, but if you could do it again, when

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would you take up your first passenger and who would you have taken?

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I'm assuming not three people all at once.

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That was definitely took some guts.

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I was pretty confident my flying ability, but I don't think I was three passengers at

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one time confident.

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I think I would have still taken up one of the same people.

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I wanted my son to be the first one.

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And in retrospect, that's probably wasn't the smartest idea.

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He was young.

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I think he was still, yeah, he was still in a car seat when I took him.

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He sat in the back.

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I can't remember if Ashley or Andrew sat up front, but I think Andrew sat up front and

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Ashley sat in the back with Austin because he was kind of crying.

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He wasn't excited to be in that airplane like I thought he would be.

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Nowadays, obviously, he lands and he loves to get an airplane.

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He can't wait till he gets to go in it.

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But when he was three or four years old, that wasn't the case for sure.

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So I probably would not have taken up a small child as my first passenger.

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I don't think that was very brilliant of me.

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Now, I was a young dad, still pretty young dad, but he just turned 12.

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So I guess I probably wouldn't have taken up then as my first passenger.

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I probably would have waited a little bit to kind of whet my whistle with getting everybody

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flying with me.

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I would have taken Ashley up or Andrew up first and then my parents and kind of one

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by one, I probably should have taken a little slower.

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And I probably should have really waited several hours.

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I should have gotten a little bit more solo time under my belt because I was at minimum

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solo time, minimum solo cross country time.

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I mean, I barely ever flew without a flight instructor.

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I should have flown with by myself or with another pilot a few more times.

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I mean, at least that's definitely what I would have done.

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So in retrospect, I would definitely would have kind of slowed my roll and taken some

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And I've talked to a lot of pilots, a lot of pilots that I know who get their private

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pilot certificate.

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And they actually they have really good ADM, aeronautical decision making, like we've talked

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about before.

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They say that they would not take up their first passengers for another 10 or 20 hours.

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I think that's a great idea.

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And I know the whole idea usually is so you can take your friends and family up, which

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is great.

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But make sure you're comfortable with the airplane 100 percent because what can go wrong

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will go wrong.

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So just you have to be prepared for that.

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And having a screaming child in the backseat, somebody throwing off their headset or somebody

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throwing up in the airplane because you didn't do it that smooth or whatever maneuver you

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were trying to do.

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Those things can become overwhelming as a brand new pilot, somebody getting sick in

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the plane.

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I can't tell you how many times that's happened.

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Probably 10 times.

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I bet you Austin's been three or four of them.

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But I've had other people too.

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So you never know.

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And that brings up another good point.

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You've done a lot of training and a lot of maneuver training in your flight training.

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But when you go and take up your first passenger, don't try and show them anything that you've

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learned, especially not before you have some good solo time under your belt and doing those

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maneuvers solo.

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I wouldn't go and take my family off my first flight ever with a passenger and go and try

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and still show stalls and steep flight because things are just going to be a little bit different.

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And it's definitely making a nice, smooth, scenic flight like a demo flight and then

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bring it back down.

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Don't go do stalls.

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Don't go do slow flight.

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Don't do, you were trying to say steep turns.

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Don't do steep turns.

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Don't go do maneuvers that you're going to get somebody sick with.

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Remember, this might be their first time in a small airplane and you don't know if they

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get seasick, which a lot of people that get seasick will get air sick or some people just

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get air sick from being in an airplane.

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They're looking at the wrong things.

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Like you've been trained to look outside your entire time that you've been training as a

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private pilot.

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They are not trained to look outside.

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They're probably still looking inside amazed that you even know what all the instruments

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do in front of you.

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So they're looking inside a lot and that's going to cause movement where they actually

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get sick.

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So make sure that you're really careful about that and always have six sacks with you.

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They sell them for like a dollar or 10 cents.

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I don't know.

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You can get a whole pack of them for a few bucks at aircraftsbruce.com or sporties.com

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or something like that.

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So always carry those by the way.

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But yes, don't go do any crazy maneuvers.

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Don't show them what a stall is.

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I don't care how much they like roller coasters.

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It's different than a roller coaster.

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They feel uneasy and they're trusting you already with their life.

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So don't go scare them now that they're finally getting the aviation.

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It could actually ruin it for them.

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Instead, you want to do what Carson said a minute ago.

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Take off, do a nice gentle takeoff.

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Have a great time, scenic flight.

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Go look like the poppies have been blooming for the past month or so in California.

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Go look at the poppies blooming or go fly over the ocean.

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Or if you're in a mountainous area, go take them pretty high over some great scenic areas.

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Make sure that you've taken some mountain flying training by the way.

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If you're going to go fly in the mountains, there's updrafts and downdrafts and all sorts

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of density.

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Altitude can be something big.

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And remember, you've always flown an airplane with just you and your instructor usually.

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Now you're bringing a person or a couple people that weigh different amounts.

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And even in a 172, you put somebody in the back seat, everything feels different.

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I mean, as a brand new pilot, it feels different.

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So keep that in mind.

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It's going to be different for you and you're not going to know what to expect until you

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do it.

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So you have to learn that way.

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But if you're not super comfortable, then make sure you take up a CFI.

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And going into your flight training, a lot of people are really supportive of you becoming

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a pilot.

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It's an incredible thing and a lot of people want to be a part of it.

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And for those of our listeners who are in their student pilot stage of their flight

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training, obviously you can't take someone up with just your student pilot license.

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But can someone accompany them on a lesson with their CFI?

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The short answer is it depends on the school's policy.

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I know flight schools I've been at, most of them will say yes.

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But it depends on where you go and what they say.

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But I would highly advise against it.

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And the reason why I would highly advise against it, you're going to be trying to talk to your

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friend or your family member, whoever it is, or your kid in the backseat.

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You're trying to show them all the things in the airplane and show them what you've

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learned so far.

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And it's not going to be a conducive lesson.

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You really need to be there with your instructor by yourself.

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You need to understand what he or she is saying.

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You need to understand what that flight instructor is trying to convey to you.

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And when you are trying to figure out what you're doing in an airplane and impress your

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friends or show them the ropes, so to speak, or have a good time, you're going to waste

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your money.

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It's just not going to be a good lesson whatsoever.

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So I highly suggest against it when you're flight training.

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Now if you have the expectation that, hey, it's going to be a fun flight, let's go have

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a good time and let's go have a fun flight, I think that would be a blast.

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I would say that that is a really good idea.

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If you know that you're just going to go spend the money and go have a good time and you

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want to take your friend up, maybe you, the flight instructor and your friend can all

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go to lunch somewhere or something like that and just have the expectation that you're

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probably not going to learn very much, but you're really going to have a good time.

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And I'll tell you this, some of those flights are some of my favorite flights.

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I never took a student or a friend or family member up with me in the back seat, but I

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can say after I did pass, I sure enjoy it a lot and it's worth it to have fun.

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And sometimes when you hit a plateau or something, you might even need to bring someone with

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you just so you can remember why you're doing this.

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Like, why am I going through all this heartache and trouble and I'm getting headaches from

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studying so much and all these other things.

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You might want to, to add the fun back into it and go fly to lunch or something, go get

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the so-called hundred dollar hamburger or whatnot.

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That's really what it's about.

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So I would say go have fun and go do that, but just know it's not going to be really

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conducive to flight training.

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You're not going to learn very much.

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Yeah, I absolutely agree.

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I've even told student pilots on several occasions when they're hitting that plateau, you need

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to go have a fun flight.

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And I've actually told that to pilots in all stages of their flight training.

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Just it's what I've seen.

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And when you hit that wall, you need to go and have a fun flight and remember why you're

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When I was having a problem with my landings and I just couldn't figure it out when I was

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in my student pilot training, I told my instructor I wanted to go do a fun flight and that's

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kind of what broke me.

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I remembered why I'm doing this and like Brandon always says, you're only one or two or two

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or three lessons away from a major breakthrough.

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So you want to do in a fun flight and taking a passenger, absolutely okay.

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As long as of course, as long as it's okay with your CFI or school.

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But how does it affect the plane having an extra passenger in the back?

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Yeah, it affects the plane a lot.

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Like I said, if you have more people, obviously have more weight, the plane is going to take

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longer to take off.

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It's going to be, it's going to feel heavier.

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Your landing will feel a little bit different if you have people in the back.

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Every power setting is going to be a little bit, it's going to feel a little bit different.

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So just having more people and more weight in the airplane is going to feel drastically

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different.

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So like I was saying, even if you from going with your CFI, let's say you have 130 pounds

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CFI and now you take your 200 pound buddy, the plane is going to feel heavier.

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It's going to take longer to take off.

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You're going to start second guessing all the things that you learned in flight training.

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Well, why is it taking so long for me to take off?

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I wonder if something's wrong with the airplane.

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No, nothing's wrong with the airplane.

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You're just not used to the extra weight in the airplane.

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You're not used to having to take a little bit longer to take off.

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Obviously, by the way, make sure you're just a disclaimer, do a weight and balance.

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And if something's really wrong with the airplane, have it checked out obviously.

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But a lot of those things when you're going through as a brand new pilot, you're kind

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of imagining certain aspects like slow climbs.

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And it's because either density altitude or you're heavier or whatever it may be.

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Do you remember your first solo flight when your instructor got out of the airplane?

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Remember mine, I was like, holy crap, this plane is flying so fast and kids climbing

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so fast.

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I think that was definitely the fastest pattern I've ever flown.

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Well, not ever, but you know, it felt like at the time, the plane got a got a serious

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increase in performance.

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Yeah, I had my own words to myself actually, when I when I pressed the power and I was

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oh something, since it's a kid friendly, I'm not going to say it.

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But I got on that runway and I was very nervous and obviously took off.

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And you're right, having no CFI.

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By the way, my CFI was like 140 pounds, one of those really light, light.

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So you say, well, the years was even.

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Wow, that's a big one.

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Big difference, right?

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So once once you take off, you can definitely feel the difference on that first solo flight.

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So think about the opposite of that when you go take your first passenger, it's going to

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be heavier, you're not going to get off the runway just as quick, you're not going to

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climb as fast, all of those things, but still all the same principles from your POH and

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what you've learned still apply.

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All the airspeed still apply.

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So do all the things you learned when you're training.

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By the way, the CG is going to be different.

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So when you go do your weight and balance, they don't just call it a weight, they call

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it a weight and balance.

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I highly suggest you keep your CG exactly where it should be.

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If you go out of CG, you're going to get yourself into a big, big, big trouble.

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One it's illegal.

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And two, it might be irrecoverable from a stall.

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So for example, when you take your first passenger in a plane like a Piper Cherokee or an Aero

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or a Cherokee 6, there's a possibility that you can have a passenger that actually puts

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you over CG nose forward and you actually have to put weight into the back of these

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planes.

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So you probably wonder why is he talking about CG and weight and balance when we're doing

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this?

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Because it really matters, especially on those types of airplanes where you can get out of

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CG fairly easily with a new type of passenger.

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It's not just putting somebody in the airplane and expecting it to be exactly the same.

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It will be a little different.

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So I've had several times where I have to put cases of water inside the back of an airplane

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and I haven't done that in a really long time, but I did do that for a long time in whenever

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I do certain trips with certain people in the airplane, I would have to put weight into

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the back, especially in a Cherokee 6.

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You're normally forward CG.

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That datum line is like in front of the propeller.

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It's an imaginary line obviously, but it's in front of the propeller.

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So you can go forward CG on that type of airplane fairly quick.

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But when you have that passenger in the back, your stall characteristics are going to feel

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different.

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Your steep turns are going to feel different.

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All the maneuvers you practice will feel different.

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So you shouldn't be doing them with a brand new person anyways, because what we said about

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them getting sick.

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But yeah, keep in mind the plane is going to be a lot different.

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That's for sure.

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That's so funny.

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I never thought about adding weight to a plane to balance CG.

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I guess I've never had that issue before though.

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Yeah, it happens, especially if you have two big guys in the front of an airplane.

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Luckily, I'm down I think 43 pounds today when I weighed myself.

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So I can actually go in more airplanes and hopefully I won't have to put water bottles

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in them.

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Dude, do you think we can fly the icon together?

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I think we can fly the icon together.

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So everybody's been losing weight.

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Exactly.

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Carson's been losing a little weight too.

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I've been on a journey, so I want to lose a little bit more.

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It's been a fun one so far.

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Now I can fly with more people in the icon, which is even better.

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That was actually kind of my original thought process on it, because I was kind of almost

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the max weight for the icon in the seat.

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When the seatbelt wouldn't really fit around me anymore, I knew that was the time.

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So I'm happy.

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It fits nice and easy now.

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That's awesome.

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Congratulations.

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You're hitting goals, dude.

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Thank you.

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But besides that, what are some of the common mistakes that people make when they're bringing

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up their passengers?

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Some really common mistakes is not giving a pre-flight briefing.

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Don't tell them what's happening or the failure of not telling them what's going to happen

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in the airplane.

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You need to remind them that everything they're going to feel is a new experience.

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They're going to feel like their stomach is falling out from under them at some point,

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I'm sure, just because you do a maneuver a little bit too hard or they're going to feel

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more than one G and that's going to feel very weird to them.

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If you do go to a stall or something like that, you will scare them.

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It's not a roller coaster.

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They will think they're going to die for a split second.

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The pre-flight briefing or the passenger briefing, which most people call, is really, really

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important.

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Positive exchange of controls.

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If you're going to let your friend or family member touch the controls, well, you're the

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PIC.

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You need to remember.

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You probably will because you're going to want them to feel the same thing you feel

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all the time.

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Exactly.

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You're going to want to do that in the sky, obviously, not when you're on the ground on

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landing or taking off or anything, unless you're a flight instructor.

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It's a little bit different.

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You want to really let them know exactly what they're going to expect.

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Let them know exactly what not to touch.

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By the way, you tell somebody not to touch a mixture and you tell them what the mixture

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does, guess what they're not going to do?

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They are not going to touch that mixture.

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They are going to stay very far away from it.

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I've had people, they've taken their legs because on a 172, your leg can be really close

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to the mixture on the right seat.

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They've actually taken their legs.

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After I have that conversation with them about what the mixture does, they actually move

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their legs over three or four inches away from it because they don't even want to touch

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it because they're so nervous that the mixture will turn the engine off in the air.

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I actually tell people what things do and I let them know, hey, if you are going to

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use the controls or touch the controls a little bit, which 50-50, some passengers are like,

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nope, you're flying the airplane.

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I don't want to touch anything.

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The other passenger is like, oh, give it to me right away.

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I need to feel this experience.

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You never know what kind of passenger you'll have until you have them, but explain everything

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to them.

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Explain to them when to shut up, when you're landing or taking off or when somebody's talking.

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I know some airplanes have isolation mode and those isolation modes are really, really

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good because you can isolate everybody and they can still keep on talking and jibber

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jabbing in the airplane and you can just talk to ATC, but not all airplanes have that or

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you might not even know how to use it if your airplane does have it.

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I know several pilots are kind of like that.

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I told my dad that planes have that pretty much a mute button for meeting all the passengers,

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which is what the isolation does.

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He said, well, you should tell your passengers when you get on the plane, I'm here to talk

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to two people.

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You're not one of them.

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I'm here to talk to God and I'm here to talk to ATC.

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That is pretty funny.

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Did he really say that?

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Yeah.

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That was a good quote from him.

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I like that quote from him.

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We've got to have your dad on here one day.

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We totally do.

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I want to hear from his perspective on it.

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Maybe we'll have my parents, maybe we'll have a parents day on here.

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That would be pretty cool.

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You know what we should do with Mother's Day coming up?

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Oh, yeah.

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We should have our moms on here talking about how afraid they were the first time we flew.

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Yeah.

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Oh, the first time we physically flew rather than not with them.

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No, I'm with them just the first time we got up.

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Have you taken your mom up yet?

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Yeah, I took my mom and sister up.

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My dad said, do you know when Richie Valens died, there was a video of his mom crying,

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not my Richie, not my Richie.

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My dad said, don't make your mom, not my Carson, not my Carson.

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Oh, gosh.

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He's like, don't crash.

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Don't do anything stupid because I was taking up him or my mom, my sister.

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Oh, nice.

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Well, I remember taking my mom up.

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I don't remember what airplane I did it in, but I've flown quite a few airplanes at this

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point.

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But I'm sure she was scared the first time I went and took that airplane ride, even though

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she was one of the ones who gave me the gift certificates to start it.

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But luckily, she's been very supportive of me.

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Yeah, we definitely need to have them on here about their first flight and also on what

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it was like seeing their adult children learn how to fly.

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I mean, that's still nerve wracking.

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I can't imagine the first day I let Austin solo.

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It's going to be nerve wracking and exciting all at the same time.

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And he's only two years away from being able to get a certificate and a glider.

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So we'll see if he actually does that at 14 years old.

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We'll see.

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But back to the pre-flight briefing part, make sure that you are talking to your passengers

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about positive exchange controls and telling them when to be quiet.

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Those two things are probably the most important things.

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Also, give them an emergency plan.

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Just let them know, hey, actually, just like the airlines do, they say in the unexpected

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event of an emergency or a water landing, that's how they say it, the unexpected event.

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You can use their same wording.

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If you could see Carson right now, he's doing the little finger movements.

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Yeah, the little two finger points of the exits.

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The one you came in.

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Exactly.

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By the way, we're going to try to make this a video pretty soon, now that we've got our

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setup in our office.

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And we'll probably launch that sometime in June or possibly at Oshkosh.

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We will do full video by then.

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You'll get to see my funny comments and faces.

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I make it brand in the whole time.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, they are pretty funny, by the way.

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He's natural funny looking, so it might help.

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Yeah, I got a face made for radio, but it's a shame you guys get to see it.

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So how should you handle when you have a scared passenger?

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I know it's happened before to you a couple of times.

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So what are you supposed to do?

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Well, I was one of those scared passengers.

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I remember telling you guys on one of my first episodes that I was going for the Oshut bar

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up on the top of the airplane and it wasn't there.

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So I couldn't do anything about that.

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So how do you handle scared passengers?

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You just need to talk to them in a really calm, collected voice.

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So just your radio voice, right?

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Calm collected voice.

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Let them know, hey, relax.

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Everything's okay.

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Just with confidence.

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So whenever you're confident in doing anything, it relaxes people.

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So just make sure that you're confident in everything you're doing.

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So whenever I'm even with a student, I am very, very confident in whatever I'm teaching

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them.

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Obviously, if I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm going to let them know, hey, I'm

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not 100% certain on this particular thing, but this is the way that I believe it is.

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And they will take that as, well, is very confident about his answer because he was

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truthful in it.

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So just tell them the truth.

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So if you actually have an emergency and you've got to land in a field, tell them the truth.

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Hey, this is what's going to happen.

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Tell them step by step on what you're doing and say to relax and you've got it under control

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and take care of that emergency.

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Now if they're just scared because you just took off and they're in the air, which is

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very possible, they've never been in a little small airplane.

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They think that it's the most scary thing in the world, which it probably is to them.

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Then you just need to give them some reassuring words and encouragement and comfort.

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And obviously with those passengers, don't do anything stupid like go do stalls or something

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with them.

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You'll scare them and they'll never get in an airplane ever again.

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That's not what we want.

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We want to encourage more flying around.

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So I would do that.

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And then there's some passengers that are like, I need to get down.

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I need to get down.

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I need to get down.

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And I've had a couple of those and because you can't just get down real quickly, they

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can't jump out of the airplane and be on the ground instantaneously.

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You need to still talk with them very slowly and methodically and say, hey, look, it's

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going to take about 10 minutes.

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I want you to take some deep breaths and breathe and relax and just use, exude confidence with

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them.

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And then just go back until ATC that you'd prefer just to land and hey, you just want

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to do one touch and go or something or whatever it was.

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And you want to go back and land the airplane and then you can let that passenger out.

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You guys can talk about it on the ground a little bit more, but just be really encouraging

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and comforting and take it slow and methodical with them.

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So they're not scared anymore.

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I mean, you're basically their life is in your hands, literally, and they let you do

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that, which is really an impressive thing.

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That means they love you or care about you or really respect you or maybe all of the

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above.

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Or maybe they got a death wish.

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Who knows?

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Maybe a little bit of both.

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Yeah, you never know.

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But I'd also recommend talking to them beforehand and getting to know.

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You usually have a pretty good idea of how scared they're going to be.

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A, when you ask them if they want to go flying or if they ask you, which if they ask you,

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they're probably not going to be too scared.

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Finding out if they have a fear of heights, which typically doesn't translate to flying

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an airplane for some reason.

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A lot of people that are afraid of flights like Brandon, when they get an airplane or

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just not.

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So it's a little funny.

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And just finding out if they're afraid of confined spaces, afraid of pretty much anything.

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You'll have a pretty good idea of how that flight's going to go.

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But again, make sure if they're requesting to go back, take them back.

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There's no point in holding hostage.

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So yeah, just follow what you think is right.

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And getting to fly with a passenger, it's one of the reasons I started my aviation career

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because you're just really nothing like seeing someone's face light up when they experience

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that thrill and that freedom that you did the first time you flew.

532
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And it's even more special when you're able to be the person to make that happen.

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It really is.

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I mean, getting to see the joy on someone's face of a first flight and you were the reason

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for that, that's incredible.

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It's one of my favorite things to do.

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I know a lot of flight instructors don't like doing demo flights.

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I think they're crazy.

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So what if they're only 30 minutes, you got to do some ground.

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You're opening up the world of aviation and flight to somebody brand new.

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It's one of my favorite things to do.

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And when you take your friends and family up, some of them get it, some of them don't.

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But the ones who get it, it's way worth it.

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They're just going to be in love with it forever.

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And there's a movie out.

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I think it's called 2-4 Right or 2-4 Left, something like that.

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I can't remember the exact movie, but you can look up aviation movies.

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It's about Van Nuys Airport and it's about the love of flight and it's about the romance

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of aviation.

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I would highly suggest everyone go watch that movie.

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And if you haven't seen it, they've got two of them.

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They have a regular one and they have a sequel to it.

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Both of them are just as good.

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But that first one, really, it just gets your emotions going about why we all started to

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learn to fly.

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It's fantastic.

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So as we kind of close up, if you'd like to reach out to either one of us, you can always

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reach us at Twitter or Instagram at MrMartiniGuy for me or for Carson, it's at Carson underscore

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AV17.

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You can also reach us via email our preferred way, Brandon at AviationMentors.com or Carson

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at AviationMentors.com.

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And we also want to give a big shout out to the one person who makes this happen.

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He works his butt off.

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He works so hard at making sure that the Aviation Mentors podcast is on time and we get our

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social out there and he does everything behind the scenes and that's our producer, Phil.

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So thank you so much, Phil, for doing all this for us.

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Really couldn't do this without him.

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So if anybody's wondering who's the one mixing and doing all the stuff in the back, that's

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Phil and he is fantastic.

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Thanks, Phil.

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You're the man.

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You make it all happen and we wouldn't be here without you.

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And as a wrap up for the day, remember, we're here to guide you in your aviation journey.

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So fly safe and enjoy the ride.

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See ya.