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episode where psychology and finances intersect.

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I still have my buddy Emily Baggett, attorney

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with Redstone Arsenal, and we're going to continue

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to examine how we think, feel, and behave with

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our digital assets and how we are going to plan

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our estate surrounding digital assets. And with

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this being a podcast relating to psychology and

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how the world of psychology impacts what we do

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with our finances, one of the things that Emily

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and I have both seen in practice is individuals

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who believe that they have more time. than they

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actually do. So many times the financial planning,

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the estate planning, and all the other planning

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that we know we need to tackle, we tend to put

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off, we tend to procrastinate. And I hope by

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the time this series of digital assets and estate

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planning is complete, that you'll have the what's

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in it for me to actually go through with this.

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And Emily, one of the things we were just talking

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about are those Digital assets that a lot of

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folks don't even think about when it comes to

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a digital asset. You and I share a similar love

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for Legos. And again, no Army endorsement implied,

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but let's talk about Lego rewards. It's something

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that is there in your digital asset portfolio,

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but what do you do with something like that?

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Right. With the Lego Rewards, that's something

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else. It's another rewards component that you

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might have that you could use that, again, at

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the end. Say I have the example I used when I

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spoke at the financial symposium is I had at

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that time $111 in my Lego Rewards account. Well,

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since I had that much in my Lego Rewards account,

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I was saving up for something. I was able to

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use them. But that's, again, if you have something

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like that, if something would have happened to

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me, that's a pretty sizable amount for the Lego

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world. I mean, that could have been used. Someone

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could have used. So you have to think about those

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things that could someone have used them. Yes,

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they could have logged into my account and bought

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something from the website. And really, it's

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not just about the money, is it? Because let's

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say that you and your child. both enjoy doing

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this as an activity together for quality time.

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And you pass, the child knows that you have something

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that is available to you. And this is another

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continued source of connection when it comes

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to having this ability. beyond the grave to finish

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a project with you or to create a new project

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with you. So really getting behind the financial

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aspect and the psychological aspect tied to that.

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But we also don't think about the other online

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accounts. So email accounts. Storage accounts,

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gaming accounts, professional licenses. You and

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I have to maintain our licenses throughout the

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years. And what are some of the things that we

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might need to cinch up there? But talk about

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some of those online accounts that maybe you've

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had some personal. experience with. So one of

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the things you did mention is we're both professionals.

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So I do have to say again that the disclaimer

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that states that the views presented, mine are

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the speaker and do not necessarily represent

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the views of the DOD, my official disclaimer

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as an attorney. But one of the articles recently,

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when you're talking about some type of professional

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licenses is for doctors. They have to have usernames

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and passwords potentially, I guess, to get into

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their medical records or for, you know, looking

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at records at their system. If a doctor passes,

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away their practice might have on the records

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but the doctor is the one who has to have access

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to those records as far as managing those client

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records then how does the practice necessarily

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get into the records or how does someone else

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maintain those records so that is from a different

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kind of online and i know that's kind of a business

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kind of standpoint as well but I'm not in private

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practice anymore, so I don't have to log into

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a client system. But thinking about that, if

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you log into some type of client system where

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you've got to log into clients, you have clients.

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I've had folks before that do have client -based

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systems because they're consulting or they have

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a consulting business. If something happens,

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are you going to be able to get into those client

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files? Does somebody need to be able to get into

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those client files? Email accounts are the same

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way. I tell clients a lot of times maybe somebody

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doesn't know a username and password, but we

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know a lot of times you can reset some of those

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things if you have the correct email because

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you can reset with an email account. Reset a

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password a lot of times. So I always say know

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what those email accounts are. I don't game.

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I'm not a gamer. But from what I understand,

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gaming accounts can be potentially quite lucrative

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if you own some of these gaming accounts or something

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to do with some of these gaming things. Again,

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I don't understand some of the gaming concepts,

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but if you're in the gaming world, you want to

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have access to those. Right. And now we get into

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creative content. When you asked the question

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in the financial symposium, how many of you are

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influencers? We didn't have anyone raise their

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hand, and one of my colleagues actually got on

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to me later for not raising my hand, but I don't

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view myself as an influencer. I just am passionate

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about giving psychology away, giving financial

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education away, and this is just a little grassroots

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effort in another platform to provide on -demand

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financial education. But we had a conversation

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just a little bit ago about how sometimes we

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fall backwards into an influencer role. And some

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of us don't even realize that. So with creative

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content, it could be through a blog. It could

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be through a podcast. And I'll give a personal

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example. My daughter. had this beautiful podcast,

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and she was only 15 when she started it, and

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it was wonderful. I couldn't wait for the next

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episode to come out. She did it weekly, and she

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would record during the week. which was also

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school happening. And it was great. She had several

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followers. She got lots of compliments at school

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and in other community settings. And all of a

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sudden, she felt so pressured and so stressed

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out by this podcast that she just wanted to leave

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it. And she closed it all down before Mama Bear

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had a chance to download at least one episode

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to save for future reference. Like when I'm old

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and gray and I just want to sit there and reminisce

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about my baby girl and how beautiful of a podcast

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that was. And so I wasn't upset with her, obviously.

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But if I would have known about this. Before

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she decided. to shut it all down, I would have

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gently asked for the Instagram password, the

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ability to go in there. Now, what teenage daughter

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is going to want to give mom and dad their Instagram

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password and that type of thing? But it doesn't

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necessarily have to be that. It could have been

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to wherever she was housing the videos to pull,

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which was actually from her phone. And so she

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deleted everything because she was just so upset.

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It was an impulsive act. And again, that's what

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a 15 -year -old, 16 -year -old brain does. I'm

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done with it. I'm washing my hands of it. And

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it's time to just get rid of it all. But again,

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as a mom, I would have loved to at least saved

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one of the episodes for future reference. So

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that may not necessarily be what people are considering

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a digital asset. We think of our pictures that

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way, right? We think of photos that are digital

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in nature. So why not videos? Why not those other

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things that may not have monetary value, but

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they have a lot of sentimental value? Exactly,

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because you talk about videos. I have a video

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of me and my son from when he's probably seven

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or eight. And it's one of my favorite things

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when I'm kind of down to go back and watch. And

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it was just a... We were singing a Taylor Swift

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song in the car, having the best time. And, I

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mean, I just happened to click the video on that

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day and say, we're in a music video. Let's, you

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know, jam it up. And, I mean, it's less than

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a minute, I think. But it's saved on my phone.

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I've saved it to, like, my Google Drive. But

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that's one of those things that. I go back and

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watch all the time. My son's now 16. So, you

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know, you have those like sentimental things

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that you do want to keep. And he probably would

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be like, Mom, I can't believe don't you ever

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show that to anyone. But it's one of those things

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as a mom you want. I think about some of the

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stories my grandmother told that we recorded.

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And we're so glad we recorded those because.

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You want those things. They're family history

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that you're not going to remember. You think

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you're going to remember some of the things and

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the way the story is supposed to go. But then

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when everybody sits down, nobody remembers how

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really it goes because everybody thinks it goes

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one way and it's really not. So then it's like,

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well, thank goodness we did record it. You know,

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but where are those memories? I really love those

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memories. I recently found out that on my mom's

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side, there's a family cemetery. There is a website

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where they keep all of the information on the

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family cemetery. I did not know this. My mom

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said, yeah, there's a family website. There's

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a cemetery that you log in, and there's all the

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information on how everything goes. And I thought,

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there's a lot of family information on that website.

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And she's like, yeah, it goes back. And she started

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telling, like. I mean, it goes way back. And

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I thought, well, this is really interesting.

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I mean, people have things like that that you

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don't think about in your photos. It might not

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be stored digitally. Where are your photos stored?

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I dare to say how many USBs are in this little

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Ziploc bag at my house. But, I mean, do you walk

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around like me with this baggie of Ziploc bags

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of, like, I don't know, but don't touch those.

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Those are the photos, the child's photos. All

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through his life, they're in that baggie of the

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USBs. Because one day, I will get around to organizing

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them, I'm sure. But I just know I don't want

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them touched. So do you have any of those USB

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baggies? Or do you have them on a hard drive?

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Those are considered digital assets as well.

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Where are those? Where are you storing them?

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Well, you heard it here. Even the attorney hasn't

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had time to get around to a couple things. So

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maybe we don't need to feel as guilty as we are.

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But there are some. digital platforms that have

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become monetized. I really do believe had my

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daughter continued with the podcast, she could

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have made some money on what she was doing. I

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was very impressed with how eloquent of a speaker

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she has become and the research that she would

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put into every episode. And I guess the apple

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doesn't fall far from the tree. But if she had

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become monetized, Emily, What would have been

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the appropriate manner to receive the monetary

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benefits? I think when you actually do start

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earning money from, say, say she put her podcast,

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let's say, on YouTube. There are so many people

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that do have YouTube videos that maybe they don't

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start out or say they do start a podcast. Then

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they do start, you know, where they talk about

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it on YouTube and they do. start earning some

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money off that then you do have to realize that

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if there's money coming in off that then you

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have to think about well how is that going to

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go into the estate plan there is a particular

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let's take this for example say you have a dog

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and i know we all love our pets i have one that

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i love very much Even though sometimes I wonder

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about it. But anyway, he's a puppy, an 80 -pound

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puppy. But anyway, so you have a pet. Your pet

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becomes famous on Instagram because you put pet

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videos on there, which this can happen, okay?

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As much as we love our pets, at the end of the

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day, they're property. So your pet's property,

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but you're making money off your pet. But this

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pet has become very famous as this Instagram

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star, and you've got brand deals for the pet.

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because he gets all kinds of stuff, which ultimately

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you do. So you have to think about those things.

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That's got to become part of your estate plan.

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Do you need then someone? Obviously, it's going

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to go in your will, but at the same time, this

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is another component of estate planning. Do you

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need a digital executor? And what I mean by that,

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do you need someone that's got to handle the

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online component? only, potentially. And that

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is now becoming the kind of next wave as far

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as some of the digital stuff, as far as folks

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that do have a lot of online content. For the,

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what I would say, influencers, obviously some

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of our famous, famous folks in the world, I'm

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sure they do have folks that are going to be

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digital. Because you've got to know how to get

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to some of these websites, how to make sure that

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their image is not being, or their likeness is

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not being used in an improper manner. All those

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different things, and that is where you have

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to think about those things as well. I know we

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talk about it on a smaller scale, but that's

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where you have to think on a larger scale. What

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if you do have, you do get to a larger scale

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where you're looking at, okay, you have an Instagram,

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you've got a YouTube. You've got brand deals.

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I mean, it might be something beyond what you

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want to leave to, say, your child to figure out

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or, say, I think of these wonderful people that

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can cook that have maybe a cookbook or they've

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started a little cooking show or whatever. There's

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all kinds of things that you could have started

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out that just was a hobby that now has really

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come into something, a hobby that has turned

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into something that you're making money off of.

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And in the legal world, the terminology that

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attorneys love to use is digital intellectual

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property. So this is money. This is a cash. So

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let's think about maybe the recording artists

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who they continue to make royalties on so many

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downloads of their music. It's the same concept

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with blogs, with other maybe even online courses.

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There are folks who make their careers, make

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their living based on creating. online content

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for whether it is for dod or it's for a private

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company or for it's for a continuing education

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company this is intellectual property that could

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continue to bring in dividends for your family

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so it's definitely worth noting for the audience

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what are your family members into What are they

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doing? And then I even think of the child stars,

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like I think of Full House and I think of Candace

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Cameron Bure, right? She has, from a kid to an

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adult, continued to do well with her career.

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But in today's world, I mean, that was our generation,

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but in today's generation now, it is a lot of

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intellectual property that is digital in nature,

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and it's the same concept. There could be fans.

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members where this child is the true star of

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the blog or the podcast or the streaming video.

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And I'm sure there could be some legal battles

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between family members if something goes awry

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with that child and parent. So that's just another

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thing to consider. And so you use the terminology

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digital executor. Can you tell the audience what?

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That is, and how to access a digital executor.

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Well, in the same role that you have an executor

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that would be in charge of your will that says

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the executor is the person after you pass away

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that handles everything for you, that person

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is going to be the person that handles everything

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digitally for you. So say you do have anything

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online. Say you do have a domain name or a website.

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You do have anything that has to do to deal with,

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say, your Taylor Swift, anything to deal with

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how you're going to be getting your money off

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your music because she re -bought some of her

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albums, I think, anything with that, anything

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to do, like I mentioned, with the likeness, making

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sure nobody is using your image in an improper

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way. All of those things, however, your official,

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what is the official Instagram, if there's still

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going to be posts being made, how is that going

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to be done? All of those different things, how

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is that going to continue? You have to think

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about that. How do you want that to continue?

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You have to leave. How is that avenue going to

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go for you? How do you want that to go? The big

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one I think that honestly I still think is he

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still goes today. I think of Elvis. I mean, Elvis

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still lives on. I mean, some people think Elvis

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is still alive. But you have to think. Elvis,

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I mean, we're now on, you know, Priscilla managed

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it, then Lisa Marie, and then now we're on her

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daughter is kind of managing things now. So we're

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now moved on generations. There's still probably

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going to be components of that that still has

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to be managed digitally. So we're generations

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down the line, but there's still components of

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him that need to be managed digitally, probably.

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And that, when you think about that, I mean,

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that's in a trust. You have to think along those

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kind of lines. So now we've gotten into immortalizing

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digital assets. What a great way to end this

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