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Welcome to the OutKast, the podcast from Outlaw Pro, the ultimate angling experience.

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So here we are back again in the OutKast podcast studio down here in sunny Billeriki,

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Essex and I have got a real treat for you coming up. We have got a very very special guest today,

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somebody that's been around the track a fair bit I think it's fair to say and he's got a

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brilliant sense of humour. Ladies and gentlemen, let's welcome Leon Bartrop. Hello. Hello mate,

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thanks for having me. Long time no speak no see. Absolutely we've waved at each other. Yeah at the

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shows. At shows but yeah it's been a while since we've been on the bank together mate isn't it?

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Is it, it's got to be when we've done Extreme Carp wasn't it? How many years ago is that? Right well

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there's going to be lots of people listening to this that probably weren't even born then.

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Extreme Carp was a TV program that we ran on Sky for three years I think 2005, 6 and 7 but I think

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it was 2006. So that's 17 years ago. 17 years. I'll tell you what mate you're looking good.

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We haven't aged at all. I don't feel it inside. Well that's one of the nice things about being an

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angler isn't it, we don't age. No we don't. We're out in the sun, we're out in the pressure here

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aren't we? Yeah absolutely. Lots of oxygen. Absolutely so yeah fair play. 17 years back in

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the saddle again. Under the spotlight let's have a chat about your fishing. Where are you fishing

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at the moment? What do you do? Last couple of years I've been up in the Cambridgeshire area

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right at St Ives and then at the Walled Pack and it just suits my type of fishing. You've got

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fishing there over 50 years old and the most important thing apart from those really old

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historical fishes that it's fairly quiet. Yeah and I don't know if you're like me the older you get

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the grumpier you get. The more grumpier you get and someone casting you swim and you're losing the plot

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a little bit and it's a bit more gentlemanly like you know there's not as much intensity

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it's um I think that's why I've been fishing for so long I just enjoy it. Well there's different

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types of fishing isn't it? I remember just you saying about Walled Pack then, me and Crowey

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went there when it first opened as a day ticket. So that would be very early 90s I think when it

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had just set up when we were doing the day ticket course's features. I remember yeah. And yeah that

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would have been well to be honest I can't remember but it would have been early 90s. I remember it

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being lovely very clear water and some really nice scaly looking things in there. You've got like four

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lakes on the complex you're like four like five six like seven like eight. Because you would have

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they wouldn't start at one would they? Well that's a bit further up that's owned by someone else one

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two and three is like a private syndicate as well. Okay. We have some just as impressive fishing there

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that you don't hear a lot about but a few you know old school anglers fishing and that. But it's

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just really old fish proper gravel pits with weed and bars and overhangs and just old wrinkly old

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camber shit carp. Cambridge is amazing isn't it? It was well actually it was in Cambridge that

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that was the last place that we fished together. It was wasn't it? Different type of venue but um.

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Was it Willow? Was it Willow? I think it was Willow. Enver Moodham wasn't it? Yeah. We'd done

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um trying to catch them and that and yes yeah yeah it was great fun wasn't it? Yes I remember it being

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was it was it quite hot then as well and did it rain overnight? I think so yeah. Anyway but that's

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anyway look that's that's a long time ago but let's talk Cambridge then because it's it's an

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incredible county for carp Cambridge. Yeah. You know from from the border with Lincolnshire it

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seems to have come into its own over the last few years you know there's always been big fish there

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the fat lady was a big fish a real target fish over the years but you know. You've got Grenville

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as well haven't you there? Exactly. It's literally there's so many you've got Ternage, you've got

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Grenville, you've got lots of different lakes around that area you've even got the Riveroos with

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carp in even though the predators and otters have diminished them quite a lot you've still got carp

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in there they're a real achievement to catch one out there. Well you know one of the things I was

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going to say is there's something in the water up there. Most definitely. The fish in Cambridge

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just seem to grow really really big you know and it doesn't matter whereabouts you are like is

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Deepings Cambridge or is that Lincolnshire? I think that's Peterborough. I think it might still

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be Cambridge I think but right on the border to be fair. Yeah it's all that sort of you know that

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county just seems to be the big fish county. The more you think about it the more you think oh yeah

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that water you've got like the folly which is up there as well and you've got all these waters oh

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yeah that one that one's got some big ones in that one. It's carp county for me Cambridge you know

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and over the last 10 years it's become carp county I think maybe 15 years now. But too what I like

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about it also is that you can where it's not so busy you can actually get on with your fishing

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how you want to fish. Yes. Something I've done this year I've just gone back to catapult,

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frying stick, 18 mil boilies, tiger nuts, braided ooklings just going back 30 years to how you used

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to fish it. Well you know when we fish in competition you can't go in with a style or a standard you have

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to adapt and I think that's one of the good things about for me competition fishing also doing the

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all day ticket thing that when you're traveling around different waters you've got to be adaptable

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and I think there's a lot of people these days that tend to jump on either a going rig or a going

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method. It's always sort of been like that but the better anglers are the ones that can think the way

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around a problem and you know prime example how often do you see a throwing stick. Now we won the

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world championships with the throwing stick last year it's as simple as that throwing stick and

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solubles that's what won the world champs and yet you know other people other years should I say it

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would be spodding other years it was a solid bag you've got to be adaptable and and I just don't see

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throwing sticks and boilies that much. I don't see them at all. It's crazy it's such a good method.

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You see a catapult, frying stick it's less disturbance than a spawn I mean I do use a spawn

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and a spod and that type of thing I've gone on to using a um like a caulder is it a wind something

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or it doesn't make as much noise. Oh right. So it's like it's all about where I'm fishing

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try not to make as much noise with two heavy leads I'm using like little like two ounce leads and

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I'm using stringers stringers I mean a lot of people go what's that stringers are brilliant

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you know or three bait pva mesh sort of triangles and pulling them through the old hemorrhoid rig.

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That's the way. Leon's got the hemorrhoid. It's like it's it didn't stop working we just go on

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to different things don't we and you know a carp these days they get so much pressure everywhere

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that I think they're conditioned yes and as as much as you can condition them to eat on the spod

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there'll be other times where you'll condition them to shy off it yeah and that's where being

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adaptable and you know that boring side of things really counts. Do you do you find that you catch

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bigger fish on boilie? Do you think because that's the old school view isn't it you know

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particles are good but it swings around about I think you do but the thing is if you're all

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using boilie on the lake you're going to catch the bigger fish aren't you yeah but if you're

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all using particle then you're going to catch the bigger fish if everyone uses like the ronnie rig

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brilliant rig never used it myself. Oh you're missing out I probably am but it is shaped up.

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I've properly shaped on that it's like everyone's forgotten about the chod rig yeah that's what

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had its day and it got quite a bit uh used and fish were falling off and all that so people

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forgot about it yeah five six seven eight nine years ago now's the time to get back on it it

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didn't stop being the good rig yeah still a good rig tell you it's time the ronnie had been to get

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back onto it yeah I just it's almost like the ronnie was a development of the chod rig though

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because it made chod rig fishing that little bit safer yeah as in they didn't fall off as much

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brilliant rig I tell you what I found with the chod actually I find that the chod is pretty good

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when there's craze around and yeah you know craze are a pain in the ass at any time aren't they they

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just absolutely batter you but using like a choddy especially with a screw rather than with a some

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sort of a stop then I think the craze find it a little bit harder to deal with yeah so I mean I've

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fished a few lakes over the years with craze and they're um it's just a bloody nightmare but there's

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a few things I did uh was one use lots of bait yeah so you're feeding them off sort of thing

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two fish seal the areas they don't like the open not keen on that and um don't use things like

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lead core anything with lead in it they're on it and biting it and eating it like you know they

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love a rig component they'll don't they they'll take your hair stop it's hair stop everything

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before now not that the bait was crap but with with a previous bait I was using you'd have the

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bait it'll come back in you think brilliant and then you'd find that your hair stops gone and

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they've nipped the loop you think you're absolute bastards another good one the rig which we used to

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use uh is that the little turenum feeders used to cut the ends off put the put paste in them yeah

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and then wrap it around it boil it but they couldn't get the paste inside it's plastic yeah I

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don't think they sell them little feeders anymore not the tiny ones or wooden balls put loads of

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flavor yeah in a wooden bowl and use that they can't they can't eat it yeah I think the the

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I would rather feed them off and use bait if I can do and and we've suddenly gone off on a

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completely different tangent we're on cray tips now um what we found out at abbey lakes when I

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set abbey lakes up over there there were so many crayfish in there and what we find was liver bait

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seemed to put them off and you would think that liver would be exactly what they want but they

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didn't like liver that much the other one is 22 mil halibut pellets because they absolutely love

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a 22 mil halibut palette one because it's a big halibut pellet but two because they've got something

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to play with because you know unless they're really big they just do that for ages on it so

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all they're doing is they're breaking the bait up for you making noise yeah wow yeah everything's

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going I didn't think of it that way so using craze to your advantage by actually putting 22

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mil halibut pellets and then fishing boilie by the side of it if you put halibut pellet and a boilie

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next door to each other I can guarantee the majority of craze I've ever met will go for that

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rather than that and yeah it's cool I remember another little craze story it was on when I used

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to do the carpology below the surface films or features such an insight they were unbelievable

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brilliant fun got finchie out on it was a lake in the cotswold I've forgotten the name of it and he's

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casting to the back of a bar and he's incredibly accurate finchie and he's chucked his rig just on

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the back of the bar and it's landed with the donkeys got yeah that's perfect and he was using

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tiger line at the time and I'm trying to follow this tiger line and I cannot see it it's that good

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underwater and if you can't see what you're trying to follow obviously you get lost and I'm searching

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around for ages trying to find this rig and I could not find it and then I saw the lead right

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by the side of a crayfish hole now crayfish tend to love to sit on bars yeah yeah and and their

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their nest looks a bit like a badger set okay so small version of that so the lead is at the

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entrance to the badger set you can imagine the cray sit there in his nest fringes cast out the

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lead's gone funk by the side and he's gone oh I love that he's pulled it he's pulled the rig back

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in the set yeah so you imagine it's not fishing ever never never in a million years no not a chance

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it's actually back down the hole so yeah interesting interesting stuff interesting stuff um look we've

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talked about the carpology features you are very very active on media social media in particular

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youtube it's one of the things that you're you're known for and you've got a really interesting style

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as well you've done some good stuff yeah you've got to enjoy yourself haven't you you've got to have a bit of fun it's not all about

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catching and yeah it's great to catch but I mean like we've yeah we've done some weird and wonderful

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things on youtube and that like uh firing the front is that the one you're thinking of in particularly

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funnily enough yes firing the frontier I mean you know as um as somebody that's involved in media

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you always want to do something that either pushes or even breaks the boundary of what's on there and

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for it to be so different everybody looks at it and to be fair that was um it's just a bit of fun

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I remember I got a phone call I think from um Lewis yeah oh he messaged me outside he said do you fancy

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doing something a little bit different you know I'm quite independent I use lots of different

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people's gear he says what did you have in mind exactly you know this guy on youtube and that we

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want to replicate that with uh mozza and that and I thought as soon as he said my way right I mean

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that would be absolutely crazy uh and yeah it's just real really good fun it did cause a bit of

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controversy in the fishing world some people absolutely loved it and come and other people

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like really hated it what is going on that's good media well it was for those of you that don't know

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what we're talking about have a look on youtube and have a look at fire in the frontier on youtube

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it's on the fox channel yes yeah and basically what happened was mozza is mc mozza and I've got

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what a talented man mozza is yeah you know he really is he's great with his editing he's a good

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angler he's a good cameraman he's actually a really good mc yeah uh so he was rapping and you were dj

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dj b trop dj b trop yeah I was um I can't remember the guy's name I was I was meant to be uh but I

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had all the chains on the hat on and give it mozza his prompts and that and man them this and seagulls

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and all this sort of stuff it was just well we could stop laughing half the time when we was

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filming it um it was just really good fun and it was just you know you got to take yourself a little

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bit not serious sometimes haven't you pushing pushing the boundaries of advertising that

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pushing the boundaries of advertising talking about serious there was a few people that reacted

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quite badly to it what's carp fishing becoming and all of that it's weird yeah I mean it's I

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don't know I don't understand it myself but it's you just got to see it what it is bit of fun

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bit of joke have a laugh you know but people are getting really like that's not carp fishing and

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these are okay you know how do you cope with trolls do you get trolled a lot because you

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um you do some anti stuff no I don't really um there's two ways of dealing with it dealing with

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it is is that you have a agreeing go yes well yeah yeah and then they got nowhere to go yeah

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uh or you just ban them off your page or whatever I tend to go the other way and lead the comments

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on there yeah so it makes them look even sillier than what I think they look like you know just

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agree yeah you're right or never get into an argument there's no point no life's too short

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no no that's what they want they're looking for a reaction yes so what's the point yeah there's

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you're only fueling more madness yeah yeah well more negativity talking about madness as well you

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know firing the frontier was pretty wacky um picnic time yes we did picnic time with mark pitchers we

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did that um I actually for about four or five months well knew is good another great idea of

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louis's and harry's I think uh and I grew a beard with a hand above mustache and a little goatee and

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that wore a red red and white striped jacket a straw hat and we was doing picnic and that and

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that was that was an almost fun as well that was great great fun what was the idea behind that

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just talking about food or yeah it was just talking about what my favorite cheese was and it just got

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all a bit out of hand really yeah that was really it's just really good fun uh but the problem with

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it was it was going to be a series so mark was going to have lots of different people on that

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during picnic time yes but we've done it so well and it was so good that there was nowhere else

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to go with it so we sort of done ourselves out of a doing a series really yeah crazy so biscuit time

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was um oh you have biscuit I love a biscuit as you can see we that's something I do I've done on

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youtube channel on me um on me catch my carp subscription we do biscuit in a week as well

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um it's it's quite mad as well that a lot of guys I speak to or I've subscribed as I look at the

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youtube and that they say the only time I can watch fishing my missus lets me is either when

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you reach to have your little dog yeah pork chop or when we're doing biscuit in a week because

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the missus go what biscuit has he got so he can watch all of his fishing programs then it's amazing

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what appeals to people but it shows that it's not all about just technical stuff or teaching or look

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how great I am it's you know let's face it a lot of the time people want to be entertained as well

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as instructive don't they so yeah it's entertainment or you've got to give value you know we've got to

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entertain someone give them something they can take into their own fishing value wise not just

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like this is a rig but it's like all right okay well can you actually show me how to tie it okay

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yeah but why do you use that particular material in your opinion why do you not because you're

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sponsored or why do you use that bit of material whatever that's what people want to know yeah and

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running a social media marketing company if you just youtube if you look at the stats of that

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the most thing you'd think right this is how I'm going to get loads of views holding the fish up

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you look at your stats and the analytics as soon as you get to that person holding the fish up

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if you strop I used to think why is that and it's because people don't want to see you catching it

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they want you to tell them how to catch that fish yeah so it's it's it's around about the other way

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or what you perceive it should be like it's it's an interesting um interesting concept as well

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isn't it that that there are so many different channels of social media out there now too yeah

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that different people consume their media in a slightly different way and different platforms

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appeal to different people so you know you can have something that raves really well on youtube

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that absolutely drops on the floor on tiktok and it's it's partly down to putting the right thing

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on the right platform but also the audience appeal as well very very different audiences

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different social media channels attract as you say different people different age groups different

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demographics facebook is more of your older demographic more of your sort of like 40 50

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year olds your tiktok's a lot younger we're a tiktok generation i would say um tiktok

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generation is probably that's me you're sort of up to 25 the 30s that's probably just coming out

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tiktok generation and then you've got like instagram is quite young it's like 25 to about

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40 yeah as well so it's um something that doesn't do very well in the uk is like x or twitter yeah

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it's called x now well it's just people having political arguments and stating America's massive

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it's ridiculous but it's um it's never really taken off in the uk sort of thing all i ever see on

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tiktok on x or um twitter yeah is is politics and arguments and people trying to force their view

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on you you know tiktok seems to be ridiculous entertainment of either people taking the clothes

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off or doing stupid dances yeah but that's that's really growing that is taking the clothes off

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yeah there you go folks you've heard it first take those on tiktok you get a million views

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youtube's a really good channel as well you know it's like if you want to learn anything or how do

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i tie that or how do i change my will youtube is the biggest search engine in the world it's the

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encyclopedia britannica for those of us that are old enough to remember if you want to know a fact

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then then it's there somewhere isn't it and youtube is the the best heines manual that there is if i

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want to know anything about anything yeah there's got to be a video on youtube about it yes you know

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why does the sun go around the whatever is you put that in you go there's some professor telling you

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or or how do i paint my living room yeah it's all on there how do you paint my living room

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let's let's talk jobs then because you've got a very interesting past too you you you are currently

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a media guru effectively yeah so yeah let's not blame me on trumping you're doing pretty well at

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it mate you've been doing it for a long time and you're pretty good at it the thing is with with um

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i don't really tell anybody what i've done for the last 10 15 years doing i i help set up lots of

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different fishing companies media sticky base erm base total fishing tackle western development

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summit tackle i've sort of gone in there for one two three years showing them how they can do it

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and then they take it in house and do their thing sort of thing um it just gives me a buzz learning

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how to grow someone's channel give them more traffic on youtube or facebook or instagram

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or tiktok or you know give them more sales or it's just it gives it's my thing it's what i like doing

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um and i realized many many years ago when i was a consultant with different companies that

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when i go out with photographers and that and it's like i'd learn as much as i could from them

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so i started off my business taking product shots and then doing videos of a product or

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whatever it is and then and then social media sort of come along 10 15 years ago learn any

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everything i could self-taught done some you know courses and things like that and just

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i'm constantly looking at videos and talking to people in america talking to instagram talk to

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facebook how does this work how does that it's always changing it's always changing and you know

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i get paid well for helping companies grow their traffic and their profits a lot of my business

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now has gone away from the fishing side and i do a lot of my business with um dentists with uh you

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know care homes yeah things like that which is um uh filming and editing and it's just lots of

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things like that just i really enjoy it yes yeah it's it you know one of the questions that i used

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to get asked an awful lot of the time was how do i get involved in the angling trade and you know

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loads of kids want to get involved in the angling trade or the angling industry in some way shape

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or form and and back in the day really the way that you got involved was you used to work in a

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tackle shop originally catch a few fish wasn't it well catch a few fish and hope to become sponsored

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or alternatively you work in a tackle shop as the saturday boy and work your way up and then doors

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open after it yeah um nowadays social media and media in particular seems to be a way that people

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can get in but it's not all about you and catching fish it's about how you can promote the brand that

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you're trying to work for in fact the fish that you're catching is probably the lesser amount of

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that 100 definitely uh i get lots of messages from people saying oh i'd love to do what you do you're

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a full-time angler well i'm not a full-time angler you know i'm furthest from it you can imagine how

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do i get into the industry i said look go to college do your thing have your side hustle yeah

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learn out about photography learn out film properly i mean you've got to look at on social media every

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two or three four months nash or fox like um we need a new videographer yeah we need a new guy

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to work in our media team expanding all the time you know yeah if you've got fishing experience and

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you sort of know how to do that yeah you've got a chance to get that job this lack of videographers

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in this industry yeah yeah you're not getting a job as a full-time sponsored angler never in a

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million years just from nowhere you're just not getting it it's not happening it's not happening

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ever again you've got to bring something catching fish is a bonus yeah you've got to be able to bring

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your good with um as graphic designer or you're good as a videographer or an editor or social media

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marketer or you know you're you're good at packing stuff in a warehouse yes whatever it is bring

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something to the business nothing to really do with fishing that's just a bonus that you can work

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your way into yeah with that company absolutely well let's let's talk about your job prior to that

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as well because you've had quite an interesting past as well it's not fishing related but it is

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quite interesting so you you served for a while you were in the raft i was in the raft where i was

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very young so for four years i think yeah uh had a i got medically discharged from there because i had

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an accident right so i had to come out of that when i worked in the city um temping and worked my up to

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being a uh stock broker would you believe i used to buy and sell shares for these big companies

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and that and uh yeah that was good i mean the most business we ever done in one year just myself was

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a hundred million pounds right we did of just buying and selling shares for clients yeah uh i

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actually got bored of that because i wasn't doing any fishing i was just working constantly money was

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brilliant yeah but there's more to life than money i know it sounds silly but i went and worked i went

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and worked on um from doing that i've always always get quite bored so heads why i like social

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mediums is forever changing so i went from there and worked on the big bp ships pumping all the

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old oil for bp into the in all the barrels all that sort of stuff hooking them up and pumping

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them out did that for four or five years um and then got bored of doing that and then went into

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work for the government as uh as a um a prison officer at belmarsh dealing with all the terrorists

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like abu hamza and all these sort of guys so it's been a crazy that must have been a real a real i

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opener there what real i have a hostile environment very hostile that was one of the reasons i left

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there as well was because it was just getting too dangerous government cutting back on everything

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you won't get as many officers in charge now i mean it was it was different every day that's why i

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liked it was different all the time um and once or twice particularly this one time i won't tell

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his name but i was working one day and i opened up my door went all right mate how are you sort of

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thing it was another fisherman that i knew is it you know that you'd be put in there and it was like

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don't tell anyone you're in here because they ship you out they know we're friends yeah it was um

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um yeah it was a couple of times you'd be going about your work and all that sort of stuff you

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get all right where are you going fishing this week and all this stuff so it was um

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interesting always something happening uh but at that same time i started really getting into

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social media yeah really getting into photography videography that type of stuff and um yeah just

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left there built my business doing that and um yeah still do it now yeah so what um you've done

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a bit of coaching as well yes i passed my level two coaching exam i was on the same course

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who else was on there we had um who's the guy from up uh lester really good angle with with uh

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caulder can't remember his name now um can't remember his name but we was on the same course

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course together this has got to be 20 years ago yeah uh yeah and i did a did a few

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uh courses and then went out took people to linear and all that type of stuff one particular one

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particular client of mine you probably know him very well actually a little quick little story

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was um this guy messaged me wrote me up and he said uh i want to come out with you i want you

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to show me how to tie this rig do this bit of casting show that i'm a chef so he said at the

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moment i'm a chef i've come out of me i cook the food and all that we went out had a really good

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time really good guy showed him loads of things at linear about a year later he said i want to

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rebook you again went out showed him a few more rigs oh this particular rig and all that type of

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stuff and um and i still speak to this guy to now and he actually fished for england england team

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uh bonesy all right yeah now you said he's a chef yes bonesy and we all have a giggle now and i see

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him talking to someone okay yeah tell him uh who taught you how to go carpentry and all that and he

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he's great about it it's really good but yeah yeah just just shows on it it does you know when

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you've been around a long time you know prime example i've obviously you've been around a long

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time i've been around a long time as well people turn around and go i you can only get in the

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england team if you're a mate of rob it's like well that's not the case at all all of the england

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team are my mates but i've been around so long that i know almost anybody yes and as the england

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manager it's my job to know everybody if they're any good so i already know you yeah if i don't

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know you the the chances are you haven't come on my radar yeah and if you haven't come on my radar

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yeah there's a reason for that you're not doing what you need to do you're not winning matches

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you're not doing to be able to get on the radar i mean i look at the same i look at the england

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teams that we've had and we've done so well and i think well yeah yeah yeah there's not much anything

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what's he doing in there it's like yeah 100% well yeah the the door's always open yeah so the door's

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always open if anybody out there and i'll say this straight down the barrel of the car if anybody out

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there wants a place in the england squad no problem the door is always open i would love to welcome

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you in all you've got to do is beat the people that are already in it simple as that just go out and

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beat them prove you can do it not just as luck but you know ideally twice and i'll be all over you

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absolutely all over you it's a really really simple open door walk through it just go out and beat my

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boys simple as that yeah so it should be or not as a merit maybe yeah i mean i know some of them guys it's like

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how can you catch that many fish doing what you're doing yeah you know it's just it's a talent isn't

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it it's a talent hard hard work well we've got the world championships coming up by the time this podcast

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goes out it will have been uh but we go out next week so yeah it's going to be going to be interesting

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stuff it's going to be interesting stuff so what what's next then you you're obviously busy at the

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moment uh do you target a fish do you just go out and enjoy your fishing i just go out and enjoy my fishing now

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i think that's why i've been doing it for so long and i enjoy i'm buzzing to go out every week

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yeah uh it's like i look at modern day carp fishing now and it's changed such a lot since we started it really has

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but it's it's not always changed for the better either i don't think you've got a lot of really intense anglers

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who want to be famous and they want to do this and they've got to catch that fish a lot of time it's

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not only detrimental to the other people fishing the lakes detrimental to themselves as they burn

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out and they go and they you know now and again you'll see um a guy who i said well what happened to you

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oh yeah i give it up it was too much and all that sort of thing um but just enjoy i just enjoy it i'm

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in no rush i'm in no rush to catch every fish in the lake i want to enjoy myself i don't want to

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catch the biggest fish or the one i'm after straight away yeah i want to enjoy i want to enjoy the

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journey i don't know if that's an age thing i think it is i was i was about to step in there and say

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just before you said it but i think it is an age thing that as you get older you realize that it's

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not about the results it's about the journey and and for me now as well it's about the people that

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i meet yes on the way there don't get me wrong i've got different types of fishing there's work

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fishing which is out and out work and that is whatever it is then there's my own social fishing

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then there's competitive fishing then there's challenge fishing you know and if the challenge

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is to go and catch a certain fish from a certain place then out and out that's the challenge you've

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got to do that um but for my own pleasure fishing it's it's more about where i am and who i'm with

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yeah then actually what i'm likely to catch yes yeah it used to all be originally when i was

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younger about weight and size i've got to catch that big one i've got to catch this one i've got

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to target that one got to do that but as you get older it's definitely the enjoyment of it you know

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it's an enjoyable sport yeah you know what we see as anglers 99.9 percent of this world never see

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the sunset the the bird the kingfisher the what we take for granted when we're younger now i'm

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older i really enjoy the hour in the evening and i you know you it's what life's about to me yeah

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it's interesting our trends go again we talked about it with baits but um again you know as i

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was coming through the ranks as it were in the late 80s early 90s you looked up to the likes of

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richard mcdonald there was an upcoming young fella called terry hernie who was going out and

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catching a few fish as well and it was all about the big fish and the hard ones to catch back then

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yeah now i think that is is all we're still up there but instead of there just being one mountain

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there's a full range of mountains you know mountain two is the competition side of things

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mountain three is the challenge of where you're going in the environment and you know alan blair

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to be fair and the boys from nash have got to take a lot of credit because you know if you look at

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size with them it's absolutely not about size it's absolutely about journey which is the opposite

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it's the opposite it doesn't matter how big or small they are in fact most of them are small

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aren't they we say okay it's just about that one rod that walking along you're just enjoying

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yourself doesn't have to be there for a week yeah it's something that everybody can associate with

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right i've got an afternoon i want to go down my local pond or my little club lake and i want to

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get underneath that tree and flick a thing half a wrap in it yeah or you know and just enjoy flow

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as bread bomb business and all that sort of stuff going on and it is brilliant isn't it really well

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it's such it's such a broad church fishing isn't it carp fishing in particular you know that

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though whatever you want to do do it and this is almost a message that i reiterate every time a

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guest comes in there that actually we all fish for the same fish yeah we all fish with slightly

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different intensities and also with slightly different methods as well and there isn't a

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right or a wrong answer well that's why it's so good isn't it that's why i've been fishing for

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so long and most of like our sort of age group is uh it's because it's it's not just this day do it

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that's it it's forever changing you're fishing different venues every session is different

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every you may try a different rig you may try different baiting process you're going to get

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the rolly no get yourself on the rolly go on i tell i did cast it out i cast it out on all three rods

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cast it out i was sitting there holding my head i went i reeled them all in oh you see i'm going

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the other way i couldn't i couldn't i couldn't do it i've gone the other way with it i was looking

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at it thinking oh you know what there's too much metal work on it for me and i tied one up to have

374
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,840
a look at it i think actually it might have been i was on an underwater shoot and someone had got

375
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,240
one on and i looked at how it laid and how it presented and i just thought you know what yeah

376
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,680
i can see why that works i think sometimes if we're being techie now i think sometimes people

377
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,800
use too much metal work yep on the bottom of it and it and it makes it a really obvious rig

378
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,920
but if you finesse it down and put the weight into it with a blob of putty rather than a load of iron

379
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,680
then actually i think it works well i use a 360 rather than a roni see i like a 360 and i don't

380
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,600
put any weight on it or anything it's just that i mean it's not a plug but i use like the little

381
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:57,920
12 mil cc more normal specials yes yeah and a size four hook curved shank or medium shank

382
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,960
rich monkey whatever it is and it just sinks it perfectly every time the thing let's let's have

383
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:08,240
rig debate now because for me i never really got into the 360 and i know back in the day i was out

384
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:16,080
filming i think it was with laney and we were on the blue pool you know a long old time ago and he

385
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:22,320
had one and it just got caught up in the net yeah there's what see that's a common mistake that's

386
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,480
made as well what you need to do and like some of my videos i've done is that like a safe 360

387
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,600
yeah need to have a little bit of silicon on the end or a bit of rig shrink tube on the end yeah

388
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,440
which you've steamed on there and you don't get any problem but then what happens when you do that

389
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,800
is actually it becomes a roni just with a slightly different configuration of of instead of an eye

390
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,600
going through an eye it's an eye going on to a hook but it's not far off the same yeah i mean

391
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,440
it's not a lot of difference really if you get that the degree i just think you get more movement

392
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,680
yeah with it but it's like all things in fishing it's what you're confident with will catch it's

393
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,160
not you're on this new super bait there isn't a super bait you're not on the new this or this rig

394
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:09,600
or that rod or what do you think of the twig then the twig now i bought a i bought one the twigs

395
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,840
okay i thought i'm not going to say anything about the twig until i've actually seen it

396
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:20,960
okay in the meantime of ordering it and getting it i saw crory put out a video saying this isn't new

397
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,600
25 years ago me yeah and hughsey yeah we put it in the book or we was going to put in the book

398
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,200
and so i did it went in strategic and we was told we couldn't promote it because it was

399
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:38,800
unethical oh tim paisley gave us a real bollocky i can imagine yeah so he like you know we were

400
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,760
talking of angling legends yes you got me started fishing he did oh he's an absolute superstar

401
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,920
sorry i'm just having a look to see if i can see it there uh there's the aug twin airbag method

402
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:57,040
balance in pva uh i don't i think this was yeah this was the foreign reversion of strategic

403
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:03,360
carp fishing but yeah he didn't put it in there but he come out and said it was like paisley had

404
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,000
said to him like you know it's ethical yeah um so i thought i'll get one make up my own mind so i

405
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,600
looked at it and i thought if you'd put that inside the lead there would have been no problem at all

406
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:19,680
if you'd actually put that yeah that contraption inside of a lead yeah trigger lead would have been

407
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:25,440
would have been the best new addition to angling yeah but it's too exposed the things come out i

408
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,880
personally won't use it i won't knock anyone else for using it but i just think you're gonna

409
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,160
one thing that no one's really mentioned is the size of the flanks of the fish yeah you're gonna

410
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,880
take scales off with it gonna get caught in weed i mean i know at the end of the day you're putting

411
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,520
a hook in a fish's mouth you're dragging it into the net anyway if you look at it that way but

412
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:51,680
it's not for me i think it just causes a little bit more harm possible harm it's in the use of

413
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:57,040
the anger as well so you gotta think of all different situations that someone would use it

414
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,560
and if they're inexperienced or it's that's i think that was that was the big advantage of the one

415
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,640
that that me and chloe put together because actually it didn't have the arms that came off

416
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:13,680
it was literally just one little stick that came off that you effectively pre-loaded your hook link

417
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,280
onto and then when the fish picked it up it pricked it and then after that it all flipped

418
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:26,080
around i saw something very similar back in darth in the late 80s early 90s there was a guy on there

419
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:32,240
and he was using something very slimmer he'd use an arm he'd load it cast it out yeah and then it

420
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:38,240
would flip like that so probably the same sort of thing he used a coated wire hook link oh right

421
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:43,440
okay which is um yeah no we didn't use that yeah it's like a wire trace it would be like a spring

422
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,600
lock indicator like a spring exactly the same thing that's what he was using it would go pink

423
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:53,680
and it was it clip it up cast it out pva the other side and it would be sitting there and he caught

424
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,320
and he caught loads of fish out of darth back in the day you know late 80s early 90s definitely

425
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:04,240
different rig but similar principle yeah isn't it yeah but it's i mean it's it's the way it's been

426
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,840
built by the chinese whoever's made it you've got that spring in there if you pull it out it

427
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,320
actually goes at a right angle yeah i looked at it and it you know i'm not slacking off alley or

428
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:19,600
anything just my opinion see i think personally i think time's moved on now and i think the concept

429
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,440
of it isn't unethical no i think the concept's brilliant so so where in the past we were we were

430
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,880
pulled to order because it was like no you can't do that i think nowadays things have moved on

431
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,880
quite a lot i was going to say the world's turned it's probably turned dozens of times since then

432
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,200
so i don't think it's an ethical issue i think it's a practical issue yes uh with with fish

433
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:45,680
safety issues for me yeah um someone could use it a thousand times and never have a problem it's that

434
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:51,520
one time yeah that you could get tethered up in ween or whatever it is um as i say for all

435
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:59,280
them tackle companies out there if it was inside uh an inline lead yeah you'd sell millions of them

436
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,200
make a make a make a big difference then wouldn't it would make it all the coast but if you think

437
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,640
about it the elasticated method feeder is is the same in reverse i know i think steve renyard yeah

438
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,320
i'm a bit shirty first saying hang on a second i come up with that but it was the other way around

439
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:18,160
but yes it's not pre-loaded it's not it's not pre-loaded once the twig does its thing then it's

440
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,240
then it's the same then it's the hermit rig then it's the hermit rig but it's too late then it's

441
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:26,880
done but even looking at it it only moves that much yeah so it's i'm not sure it even makes that

442
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,000
much of a difference to be fair yeah um whereas with the hermit rig that moves a lot more that's on a

443
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,120
a long bit yeah but that's the last like you say that's that's a tensioning system as opposed to

444
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,240
you know a trigger because i heard a lot of people say me i was hermit no it's not absolutely not

445
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:50,080
it when it's been done it is the is similar to that yes but um yeah so that's my sort of

446
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,400
stance on it i won't knock anyone for using it but i'm not going to use it yeah no interesting

447
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,720
reaction could you know it was another another one that really set the world alight on social media

448
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:02,480
of people for and against and it seems that they're coming down more one side than the other

449
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,040
what's um what are the gossips you know do you know any other gossip gossips always good

450
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:15,280
gossip oh i mean not really no not like i could actually probably tell you no no um no i mean

451
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,760
you know it's like in the fishing industry and the fishing world oh he's doing this oh he's

452
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,120
going out with her now he's doing that oh he's moving to that company it's always something

453
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,520
going and most of it's a lot of rubbish anyway isn't it yeah you know i've never known an industry

454
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,320
for so much talking rubbish it's because everybody knows each other everybody knows it really is a

455
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,000
small industry isn't it it really is when you think about it so many years ago i fished

456
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,520
Harefield Lake in the Cullum Valley and i was it's before we had fluoro pop-ups things like

457
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:48,720
fluoro colors and i was fishing away and i managed to source a fluoro color from india mumbai or

458
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:54,960
something like that order some as a sample a little tiny bit and i made up these fluoro pop-ups i

459
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:01,600
think someone else had come out with i think frank warwick this like 80s 90s yeah and um i showed them

460
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:07,680
to someone over there uh craig lines the old school car i remember craig he took them to loki

461
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:13,200
yeah and look he said i want some of these uh where can i get this powder so what i did was i put them

462
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:19,920
in touch with the guys at mumbai so i ordered up these big big buckets full of the powder bright

463
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:26,880
yellow fluoro let yellow like you can believe got them to customs loki gets a phone call saying

464
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:32,560
we've just had to blow up your buckets of stuff they're radioactive really

465
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,440
so they got it and they put these things over they thought it was radioactive they'd blow it up

466
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,120
they thought it was like a bomb material something like that but he still ordered a

467
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:49,200
load more got it back and that was the original yellow fluoro pop-ups pucker pineapple were they

468
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,680
pucker pineapple were and i supplied it to him it's great fantastic they blew it up and

469
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,080
blew it up in customs i tell you what that could only happen to loki it could only happen to

470
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:03,680
loki lucky loki yeah he is um yeah if something's gonna happen it's gonna happen to loki isn't it

471
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,320
certainly is classic great little story well look one of the things that we always like our guests

472
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:15,040
to do is bring us in a present we've got some amazing things up here from obviously check that

473
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:21,840
out steve spurgeon bought that in last time that was the uh that was the first ever my foray into

474
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:26,480
film i bet you haven't even got a copy of that no no i felt a little bit like jr hartley for all of

475
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:33,440
the old people that will remember that but yeah yeah that was me and crowey in 9767 i think it was

476
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:39,760
there we go i remember that which is very sad on vhs there we go so we would love to add you to our

477
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:45,680
wall i've got something a bit special here well special to me is um three years ago probably

478
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:51,040
actually next month i set up uh catch my car up the code uk where we we uh we got videos on there

479
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,280
discounts you know it's what it's not sympagraphy that's a lot smaller than that and it's just me

480
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:01,200
doing my thing and i got my subscribers now we've got merchandise like hoodies and t-shirts and mugs

481
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,760
but this was the very first mug and i kept i thought i'd keep the very first one that i got

482
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:10,160
out of the box yeah like that and kept it it's been on my side like that and i thought this would make

483
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:15,040
a great present to you guys number one mug and it is awesome it is the biscuit of the wig mug

484
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:21,680
number one so it's uh it's uh the biscuit of the wig mug there so that's for you rob that's ace

485
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:28,800
i don't want to hand that in i want that that's amazing look at that so yeah basically the very

486
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:34,000
first one it's like i've sold hundreds of them but it's the uh it was the very first one i got

487
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,320
out of the box you know when you sort of think right yeah this is real now we've actually got

488
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:45,200
merchandise we've got videos going up it's become a thing yes and um yeah and i think at the time

489
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:49,920
it was like sympagraphy were doing their thing and obviously you've had a lot more guys come

490
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:56,720
into the space yes but mine's very instructional with a couple of campaign videos and it all come

491
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:01,280
about from youtube from years ago three or four years ago people saying to me can you do more i

492
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,240
want more i want more videos we really like what you're doing uh you know can you do some more rig

493
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:11,600
ones how about some more campaign at one point i was doing a video a day releasing it i was filming

494
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,080
them editing them putting them up yeah banging them out there and it comes to a point where

495
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,120
this costed me so much money to do i still want to do it yeah what's the thing i can do so right i

496
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,000
put it on a platform yeah the guys want to pay 4.99 that's never going to change it's always been the

497
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:33,120
same all yearly 49.99 uh and you get video a week you get a live stream we build the community

498
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:38,160
everyone comes on there asks all their questions it's never a silly question uh we do rig videos

499
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:44,240
we do burko boiler we do cob video we do all this sort of stuff yeah and it's like oh can i have

500
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:50,320
mugs i want a hoodie i want t-shirts and pens and stickers and so that was the very first one that

501
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,600
we got out of the box and went bloody hell right this is real now isn't it fantastic um so yeah

502
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:00,080
yeah awesome well i feel quite privileged with that that's uh i like your color coordination

503
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,560
yeah as well that's got it quite a cool color week yeah it's quite a big thing biscuit the week so

504
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,840
what is biscuit of the week this week what would if you could have a choice what would your biscuit

505
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,000
be my all-time favorite biscuit it's gonna be this is gonna be really bland and almost custard

506
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,120
cream it's gotta be isn't it yeah you see i mean what i mean what well i'm with you on the lovely

507
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:23,360
biscuits out here but i always come back to custard cream they uh mate you and me are kindred spirits

508
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,080
but for me it's the bourbon and and one of the great things about them they do a chocolate

509
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,840
custard cream now as well no it can't be because a custard cream has to be a custard cream that'd be

510
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,160
like doing a custard bourbon it wouldn't be right it'd be a different biscuit they are nice though

511
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:41,840
so but i'm getting involved in biscuit the week ladies and gentlemen welcome to a special edition

512
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,600
well that was one of the things we was going to do all i was going to do on my channel was have a

513
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,640
different person doing got to be this get a week you know we can get someone on and just say right

514
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,280
tell me about your biscuit and there um well go on let's do let's do it now because like you've

515
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,160
got me on the biscuit thing um bourbon bourbon is the one you always go back to you've got a

516
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:05,120
dunk ability you see there's a process with biscuit a week so you've got to have you you get your

517
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:11,040
biscuit you go right we're going for dunk ability now so we don't know fail that one bourbon wins

518
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,800
all this sort of stuff bourbon yeah bourbon's really good it's up there with custard cream believe

519
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,400
me yeah the custard cream's the one you know the other the other great one obviously hanging around

520
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,400
with crowey for such a long period of time is some of his tightness has worn off on me and they used

521
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,480
to like a gary baldy all the time they're terrible for dunking because they're really dry they call

522
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,840
him yeah raise it they fly to them haven't they well no fat in it he was mr healthy wasn't he i

523
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,440
used to love uh like a chalky digestive ideally with a toffee in it as well so you know anyway

524
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:43,040
i've now turned into mr healthy i'm moving towards rich tea which is terrible on the

525
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,280
dunk especially if you go for the low fat one yeah just flops doesn't it yeah you can and you know when

526
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,400
you're dunking actually so if we used to have dunking contests and they run up to the british

527
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,000
carpangolin championships on the thursday night we would have the dunking content so you have your

528
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,440
brew at the same time and ideally it's biscuits at the same pack yep so you'll have a home biscuit

529
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,720
and then away biscuit so i'll have the bourbon you'll have the custom yeah so round one three

530
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:14,240
two one go it has to go in at the same time and this is where the competition goes because you

531
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:19,360
will go to what you think is the limit you've then got to take it out turn it through 90 degrees

532
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,840
and stick it in the old cake hole now if you turn it through 90 degrees i'll see what's happening

533
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,880
here yeah then then that's a win you've obviously passed yeah now i've now got to do it so the

534
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,760
second that you've taken yours out i'll take mine out afterwards yeah so if you do it both then so

535
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,880
if i do it and i've left mine in longer than i went you win yeah the ones if it crumbles well if it

536
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,800
crumbles it's a fail isn't it it's like four faults in it in show jumping that's it you're out so

537
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,880
really if you so you could really just go like that pre-app buy and go it's fine yeah and then

538
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,120
wait for the other person and it fails yeah absolutely so but you but the thing is that

539
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,600
whoever goes second has got the advantage because you as first you've got to push it right to the

540
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,400
very very limit because even one second more sounds like a series there that's brilliant

541
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,920
but then what we what we do obviously if we've just done the bourbon then obviously we've now

542
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,400
got to flip flip to the custard because you know the don't have to last forever you could stick

543
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,680
it in there for 30 seconds bring it out you see i just hope together i think there's a bourbons

544
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,440
it's close isn't it there's a bit more fat in the bourbons just like fake custard cream

545
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,240
i wish we got a packet of each and a kettle we could have some serious winston what's your

546
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:36,080
favorite biscuit chocolate digestive chocolate dodges that's another classic that's an absolute

547
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:41,680
winner and it doesn't it doesn't chocolate melts and you've got everything that's about four in

548
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,000
the table that is i'd say it's even higher than that because the chocolate on the outside of it

549
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,360
melts before it goes into biscuits protected from one side so you're reinforcing your dunk ability

550
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:57,440
on it it's like when that's a really good choice and if i hadn't gone on my rich tea kick that was

551
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,280
that was the one that was up there before you know he's trumped you isn't he that's what he's done

552
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,240
well no he's tempted me not trump me because i thought now they're in the head and i want

553
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:11,280
every single one look with us yeah careful that a plain chocolate digestive wins over

554
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:17,360
oh you see i very ah no milk it's got to be milk no it hasn't no no no no come on no you can you

555
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:23,200
can flip you can flip yeah you can go yeah yeah yeah yeah you see i've had a bit of a thing with

556
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:29,760
jammy dodgers recently um i i think i think again partly because they were on offering tescos when i

557
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went to the normally but yeah two for one and all that's it but like the good thing about bourbon

558
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and custard creams now uh certainly in tescos is they do a double pack for 70p which is ridiculous

559
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yeah but the only downside of that is obviously you buy them and you have to eat the whole packet

560
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that's the problem to see you can't imagine filming that every every week or every cut the

561
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weeks i'm doing biscuit a week yeah and i go to tescos or lidl or whatever and it's like

562
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i have to have them four i think you know but then they've got to be eating obviously a waste of

563
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money aren't they little lidl for me is just the place because they do some nice ones in there

564
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you don't know about well there's one you want to have a look at which is this is the the biscuit

565
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you want to go is lou a french one they've come over here called lou el you they're called you

566
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might see in the adverts but the cinnamon one is it see they it's the bomb it is they do one that's

567
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in the same sort of pack as a you know the jammy dodgers pack rather than just a wrap it's got

568
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it's got the the holster that they sit in but they're squaring they're like morning coffee but

569
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the chocolate on the top of the morning coffee is like three times as thick as the biscuit that's

570
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just that might be my next biscuit i'll wake that one i think go with it so it's giveaway time now

571
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and we've got a fantastic giveaway for you just have a look at these in front five kilos of our

572
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amazing solubles in the flavor of your choice we do two types we do kriller and we do sweet corn

573
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:54,000
both work incredibly well the competition is really easy to enter too all you've got to do

574
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is answer a simple question and send it to the address below which is podcast at outlawpro.co.uk

575
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now you need to have listened to the podcast because the question is what is leon barthrope's

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favorite biscuit what is his favorite biscuit send it by email to the address below we'll stick all

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the names that are successful into a hat pull one out and you get five kilos of our magnificent

578
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,800
soluble of your choice we've more or less run out of time what's next in the life of leon barthrope

579
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already um i'm just going to keep producing the content i mean the community that i've built

580
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we catch more car uh it's just there's people who've been members for three years a lot of

581
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,480
members have been there since the start yeah and it's i say what what video do you want what can

582
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,600
you do one the one of my most popular videos believe it or not is how to load your barrow you

583
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:57,360
think what a ridiculous video but you've got to realize that yourself and me were like the 10

584
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of anglers we've been doing so long i've crushed my regularly but exactly and it's like well can

585
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,400
you show me so i did the video and i'll thank you very much so any videos they want they got input

586
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and we produce those videos and put them out there so more content do another three years of it

587
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yeah uh build the community and keep working and doing me stuff and keep fishing lovely and keep

588
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,560
smiling mate keep smiling you have a bit of fun you know it's too serious fishing nowadays you

589
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,880
know i've got to get in that swim he's put his bucket in there and just enjoy it man there's a

590
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,280
there's a lot of really cool and trendy looking people out there that are catching carp not seeming

591
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to enjoy it as much as they should be well the things half these guys i speak to and they go

592
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,920
how do i sort of progress in doing these things and still look carpy and all that and

593
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,960
and you get looking carpy just be yourself and enjoy it be yourself absolutely if i could give

594
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any sort of um advice for your social media don't try and be anything else just be yourself

595
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be yourself and you'll grow your social media be yourself and be consistent

596
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,840
fantastic look wonderful words of wisdom there thank you ever so much for coming in thank you

597
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very much for everybody it's been hilarious it's been entertaining i've really enjoyed it i've my

598
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face is actually aching a little bit through smiling i've just been completely different

599
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rather than talking about rigs and widgets and then tackle it's not all about the fishing catching

600
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the fish absolutely but enjoying the journey ladies and gentlemen that is it that's the end

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of the journey for us here today you know what to do click like share subscribe all of that stuff

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and from us here at the outcast podcast room we'll see you again next time

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thanks for listening to the outcast the podcast from outlaw pro the ultimate angling experience

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