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Welcome to the outcast the podcast from outlaw Pro the ultimate angling experience

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Well ladies and gentlemen a big warm welcome to another podcast the outcast the podcast from outlaw Pro

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I've got a very special guest in today. He's looking a bit posh actually when you look at him

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You wouldn't necessarily think he's a carp angler. He's been around the industry for a very long time

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He's a really really good mate of mine. It is none other than Steve Spurgeon from Fox. Hello, mate

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Welcome. Well, hello Rob. Thanks for introduction. You are looking very posh. Yeah. Well, I don't normally this isn't my non casual wear

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But I'm actually working. He's a bin man normally

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Yeah, you know, we'll just see t-shirt and jeans and yeah some scruffy older

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You know, like I say, I'm fortunate I'm working today, but I've come in to do this with you and yeah

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I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, fantastic. Um, look the first thing that we always speak about is fishing

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Where are you fishing now? What are you doing? Right? So at the moment I'm fishing club waters these days

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just

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Because they've got some really the bonds of fishing have got some real special fishing them. So no syndicates

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So I've got two different club tickets

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One's in the heart of Essex and the other ones in Lee Valley

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Essex heart for sheer Boulder where there's two lakes on that one and one really on the other one that I'm fishing

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So yeah. Yeah, so that that is my fishing. It's very limited

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Yeah works busy. We work in the business. Surely you'll be fishing all the way. That's what everyone thinks in there

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That's that's what's so funny. Everyone thinks you're out of time

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I mean I do try and get out once a week

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But I mean I just had a gap of six seven weeks for various reasons. I've allowed holiday

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Van problems all sorts of reasons, but I didn't get out but not to bother June in July. You caught one though

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I saw social media you caught one last week

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Yeah, caught one last week. I had another one Monday night as well. So I'm back. I'm back now. I'm back out

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He's back. Yeah, I'm fitting in these these quick and they are generally quick overnight as it's like so what's a quick overnight to them?

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Well, how is it quick as opposed to slow?

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Yeah, it's a rubbish name in a quick overnight

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Let's have a short overnight. So let's turn it to short overnight. So yeah, it's literally turn up straight from work

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So well, I'd normally be heading home. I'll try and fit my fishing in with obviously the job

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I do is I'm spread over East Anglia

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So if I'm going up the M11 then it'll be more the Lee Valley if I'm going up and down the a12 then it'll be

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More the Chelmsford area. Yeah. Yeah, so I kind of and obviously it has to work with where you are the next day because

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You know if I was up in Kingslin from Essex

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Yeah, it's a fair old trail. I'm gonna be getting up at four o'clock in the morning packing up and going so it's not really

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Worth it. So yeah, generally I'm normally

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Left away from the lake before eight o'clock in the morning that squad he was in the car park

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Getting too old for it. I mean people look at me and must think what is that idiot doing?

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Why is he stripped to his boxer shorts?

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Pouring water over his head, you know, yeah and the next thing I'm standing on in his shirt

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I was a wet wipe so yeah

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Yeah, but yes, I'm still still doing it gets hard now when you're standing in the car park doing that and it's like zero degrees

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And yeah, the kind of the winter fishing has taken a little bit of a backseat

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I'd rather go out fishing for another species whether it be perch pike

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Chub but anything really, you know, it's funny isn't it?

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You you know, you you go through an angling cycle that that you want to catch carp then you want to catch lots of carp

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Then you want to catch big carp then you want to compete then you want to catch even bigger carp

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Then actually I think once you've been through that you become very comfortable with it. So as a result

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It's more about either the place you go in all the people you with. Yes. That's what I feel. Yeah, totally agree

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For me, I'm not really the carp on when I do get obviously when I am carp fishing. I'm not really worried about

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Big carp. I want nice looking. I want old ones

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I'll count my do you do you do tiger nuts and spit them out? No

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No, I haven't got a bucket hat where a woolly jumper in August no

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Mate you learn the side. Yeah. Yeah that part of it. I've not embraced but yeah the whole

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Don't like sites for me. It's just like nice old looking carp and yeah

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Yeah, ones that got a lot of history to her if they're still about

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Obviously, they're all on borrowed time anyway, so

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Yeah, I'd rather do that. Don't get me wrong. You know the lakes are fishable got 40 pounds. Yeah

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I'll just drop that one in then so you're not just

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No, no, but they've all got big fishing don't I mean they're not climbing up your lines and what have you

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But they're all catchable. Yeah, you don't have climbing up your lines overnight as with quick over

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Maybe one first thing in the morning. I'm gonna say yeah, I mean it's a bite the other night

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That's more than enough like you know afterwards or do you leave them in? No, no, they go back out

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Oh, yeah, I'll buy a photo even if you've had to if you've had like an 11 of 12

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I could never get that out my system. I have to fish do you yeah, it would take a lot of fish for me to suddenly go

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That's it. You know

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Normally, it'll be better pack up this, you know, I've not a lot of sleep, but I've got to go to work

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Yeah, it gets harder. Yeah

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I'm in that hard place at the moment because I think if if I've had a good day and I've caught a few particularly if

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I've caught a few through the evening. I think well, I'm obviously on them

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They want to be there and if I've got the luxury of time in the morning

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Then I'll chuck a bit of bait and reel them in and then catch them in the morning

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Yeah, yeah, I sleep and club them at six o'clock. Yeah, I think for me it's because I haven't got that luxury

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It's like that's my you know, that's my session bit whatever it be 15 hours or whatever, you know

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That's it. That's all I've got. So I've got to make the most of it while I'm there

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What's the ideal session for you then? Do you do you like a week? Do you like a 48?

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48's like yeah, it feels like I've done a marathon these days to be fair, but I think because of the way I fish you fish harder

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Yeah, you just you know, I do fish with another guy time to time. He's got more time on his hands and

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But if it if it's packing up and everything I'm done and it's still what gear everywhere. I'm done. I'm going and

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Yeah, everything just do a lot quicker and yeah

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Because you're part of it now one of the things that I want to talk to you about is your history

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You've been around a long time. Yeah, we'll come back to you very early years in a bit

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but one of the I think the time that you really jumped out at me was when you it was the early years of the British Carp Angling Championships and

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You I think it was would it be linear st. John's you were fishing with Chris Rose was the first first one

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I've done. Yeah, cause that for a memory. Yeah, I mean people are there even our struggle to remember that

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I think I think I vaguely remember you at Medina's well, we were the first one the Dean the first Medina

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So I saw you but didn't know you then because I was competing as well

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And I think you joined the BCAC the following year and straight away you hit the ground running you and your partner at the

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Time Chris Rose. Yeah, you were we well, I called you the dangerous

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You for me, you're probably the best anglers or some of the best anglers never to win the BCAC

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You know, I always thought that you got it in you but you just didn't have that last bit of luck at the end

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No, you've had a third and a second. Yeah third and a second. Yeah. Yeah, I think the first one was

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The first one we did fish. Yeah, the the eliminate was on st. John's. Yeah, and

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Yeah, we kind of felt we don't really I think we'd only ever been there once as well

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We got a reasonable we didn't come out really early

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But we ended up and what we felt was a reasonable swim and we were amongst it that going in that first day and we made

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them stake of panicking about

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Baiting again. Yeah and tried to

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We were too concerned about pushing fish off and we shouldn't have been and the opposite effects happened

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There wasn't any bite going in and yeah, they moved off and we went from I think we were in sitting in second at one point

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And then we're in third and come the morning. I think we ended up fifth and dropped out of it again

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That was a lesson learned and then going it going in it the following year and it was on walking stone one and now

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I'm in my comfort zone now. Yeah, and

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Yeah, well, we both thought we both knew on there you could come out late and still

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Still, you know welling with a chance

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Yeah, and you always get those you always go really weird random choices someone comes out early and you think

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Why have they gone in there? Because the thing with the stove especially going back then

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The island looks lovely all around but there's some bits on that island. You do not want to be in final. It's just shallow

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You know, but ridiculously shallow out for some way. Yeah

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And you just the fish just don't patrol that part of the you know part of the island

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So we knew we could come out quite late. I'll say get good draws and yeah the first year

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Well, we set the eliminator record our first year. Yeah, and yeah, even we were a little bit shocked and come completely off the gas

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I think on the last day it was quite funny actually because the the reason we went to war from stole was that it was rumored

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At the time that there were no fish in the number one because they'd all been stolen and they dropped the price ticket

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The people might not remember this but they dropped the price ticket to a pound a day to try and encourage

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I was on the phone a little bit later. Was it all right?

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I've been around about that. Yeah, I think it was a couple years off that because the following year

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We yeah, we've done it again and that beat our own remember you clumped it. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, and then I think it might have been you expect what you clump it after the closure as well. I

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Can't we would qualified loads of times on it was like I

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Think there's only once we didn't qualify and to be fair that was only for lost fish and we'd come out that was when

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If I remember right, it was on like 20 pairs on there wasn't the old 12 pairs. That's your lot

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It was like 20 days. Yeah, I remember we had Tim Frohman. I think Kempe off to yeah after our right

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Yeah, and it was just like we've got the bites

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But unfortunately, not Chris whatever was happening. He just dropping fish. It was like right the net good ends and yeah

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Yeah, yeah, it was it was like just really unfortunate. You know, even I couldn't go my so it was like how's that come on?

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Yeah, you know and uh, yeah, we just lost too many fish and unfortunately again

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I think we still ended up about full for fit, but we just just outside, you know

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We only would have needed to land a couple more. We were qualified. So

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Yeah, which I just went in there with just so much confidence when we went on there. It was just

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You know, we weren't doing anything special

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It was really it was all about

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Singles to the island a lot of time. Yeah, we were spotting we were spotting and that first time I was using little bags as well

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Which would little mesh bags and again, it's amazing

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Even if you're just putting that if it's like you'll get a bite so much quicker

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But most people aren't bothered because you know, it's gonna could take you six casts

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Maybe more to get it into where you need it and you know, a lot of people are prepared to do that

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I think that's that's a perfect example and broadlands is exactly the same that when you're fishing to that island

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You've got to be tight and precise and if you're not in there far lows again another similar place

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If you're on the islands, you've got to be in exactly the right spot. You can't fall a foot short

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Yeah, you fall a foot short. You can wait hours for a bite. You get it that foot further in. Yeah, and it's a bite

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100% I mean it it was one of those that you could cast down and then you can get a bite

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It was one of those that you could cast out

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Kind of you might not be you can't think I think I'm about right that it does look tight enough not get a bite

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You sit there an hour late and you think do you know what? I'm gonna re-chuck that bring it in bang

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Couple of inches tighter seconds gone. Yeah

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Yeah, I'll be I mean

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There was a few used to take take them in because I'd end up hanging a few spots up

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few rigs, but

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If you wanted to bite you had to be prepared to lose a bit of tackle, you know

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It was a case of the end of day the bugs come out clear the island anyway

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So it's not like you think you still love it when you were on there because obviously

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Yeah, yeah, on the sunday afternoon you get a few goods worth of stuff out there

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And if they didn't do it everybody wanted to go because they knew where you'd be in the day before because it was like a christmas tree

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All spongebob spots back then

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Um, but yeah, it was one of those it was literally just about being that yeah, you know

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It was one of those you cast out

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And if you didn't want quite sure if you saw your lead spasher was in the right spot

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You were that tight there was hardly any splash, you know, uh, and you were fishing in real, you know

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Some of them spots like foot water. Yeah, but they were just patrolling so tight to that island

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Just goes to show that pushing it that little bit further does make all the differences like darts isn't it?

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When you're playing that you're gonna be so precise. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely bang on it

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But um, look let's let's talk about your history in carp fishing because some of the younger viewers might not know or the younger listeners

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As well might not know

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Where you are and where you've been you currently work for fox. Yeah

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You've been in the trade for an awful long time. Yeah since 98. Yeah

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Yeah, 25 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah sort of in me 25th year of being in the trade and you have a really

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Quite a big claim to fame that you don't claim as well. Yeah, I'll never really shout about it so much

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There's a few people know most people would go really most people wouldn't even realize. Yeah, um

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Well, I'll talk about in a second in fact, so I'll give it to that

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Yes, actually at this point we normally ask for a present from one of our people. He has jumped the gun a little bit

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Um, but uh, yeah

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We normally ask for a present and we've spoken about this and he told me what he was going to bring in which doesn't normally happen

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But here we are

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Tell us hold it up for the camera and tell us exactly what it is

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There's a camera over there show it to that camera there and tell us exactly what this is and why it's important to you

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It's a pva mesh system

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Uh, which most anglers would have in their bag. I'm sure you know, not just carp hangers specialist anglers gets used for all sorts

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um, right so

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It must have been you'd probably have a better idea than me on this

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It'll be sometime in the 90s probably mid to early 90s. Would it be in the

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It was well, basically rod hutchinson

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Was I think the the the guy that really started using pva?

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Yeah, he used to use tape then he looked at different options for it and he eventually came up with something called phantasm mesh

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That's right. That would have been around about

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97 98 was it no it must have been a little bit earlier than that

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Well, it would have actually it would have been before that. Yeah

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Maybe 94 95 and I think you could you had rod rod done it and richworth done it

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Yeah, and not a lot of places even really stopped it, but I thought oh that looks a good idea

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So i've got out got out and bought some and then reality of using it because unlike the current stuff

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And if you haven't been in fishing for the last i've caught fishing for 20 years

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You wouldn't realize that it was all none of it was anti-ladder. It was a nightmare to absolute nightmare to work with

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So I bought this for all this is going to be a right good edge blah blah

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Taking it away the first bag. It's just like just couldn't open it

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No, and it was the it was the basically it was the the stocking mesh on a spool without a tube

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Yeah, just like what was it just literally on a refill and it was like

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So you had to kind of pull a bit off tie knot in and you don't know why

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Wet around around all the tip of it and everything and then hope you could open it and it didn't go just ladder everywhere

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so

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Anyway, I bought this stuff and i've been trying to use it and every now and again

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You might get a bit of take away. It was like what this is just a night

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So I just just basically come up the idea if I put it onto a tube

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So wet just the end once put it onto a tube not in the other end

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I can now drop bait down it tight off brilliant

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So I was using that for quite a few years and just yeah, you know and doing yeah doing well

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Yeah, yeah, because it's a super yeah massive. Yeah, I mean probably not so much now, but it's still ease and edge without doubt

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Yeah, there's definitely you definitely get quicker bite, especially when it is prolific fishing

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Yeah, so I was fishing it over particle

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So even if you didn't have pellet in your mix, you know

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You know most of the time we more throwing pellet in obviously, but even if you didn't just cast it over hemp

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You'd still get if you put two rods one with a boilium

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For example one the boil in the little bag of pellet that goes six to one, you know

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It was just crazy and it was a massive edge as well cast at showing fish just a single single pop up in a little bag

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Caught me so many fish, you know, just seem top out for it. I just rang one out there. It's quick though, isn't it?

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It's so much quicker than a solid bag. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's fast. Um

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Um, yeah, and that was obviously i'd started using that

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And then i'd gone from that for no other reason that it was a it was a cheaper bet a cheaper option

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Which was this be a company called cooper's that is the most going pva sheeting

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So i've seen some other lads using this these little parcels of pellets. So I thought

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So i've i've kind of asked someone about that

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They went oh, yeah, just get sheet from cooper's and soldering iron stuff. I'm all over that

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So there I am with me big whatever it was two meters of pva sheet by whatever a meter

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And uh with me soldering iron and a metal ruler and i'm cutting these just these strip bags and bottle top in the top of that

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We'll chuck some down soldering iron chuck some down and making all these little parcels

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So at the time when I was fishing layer, which is like was crazy prolific anyway

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And uh, you'd be taking a hundred of these all just made up in a bucket

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And then i've gone back to using it. Um, and i've kind of gone away from using like the mesh one purely because like I say

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This was just another option that you can have them all made up. It was really quick as well

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You can make 100 up in no time

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So and then i've gone back to using it and i'd spoke to obviously i worked with the cold at that time and i'd spoke

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spoke to danny about it and

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It was actually this is the mesh. Yeah, this is the mesh. Yeah, not the cooper's. This is i've said look

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Brilliantly for me. I've still i've still got it. I still use it now

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um

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I just think it's a it's a product really waiting to happen. It's nothing

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You know, it's because people go oh, what can you paint in it?

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You can't just two tubes of caps. Yeah, you know the the product the main product's already there

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You can't paint in anything like that. So

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They are said to done about it. So look, it's it's a massive edge. It's brilliant. Like so I hadn't really been there that long

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and uh

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Chris rose had backed me up and said yeah, and dan was a bit like I don't get it

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I don't know why you'd want to cast why'd you cast it over a load of bait?

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You've already got out anyway, and I was going because you just get quicker bites

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and in the end you sort of went right, okay, so we had the contacts because we had the uh, like the

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J-shaped stick the plastic sticks with the contacts for the tubes and the caps

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And we also had the contact for the for the pva

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As I say back then it was all the laddery one, you know, there was no anti ladder back then

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So he went okay. So all the enough to do a couple of hundred will take them to dunstable

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Yeah, so dan's gone off sort of out of label for it

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Chris has organized getting all the actual products and then I think it was me and Chris stayed behind measuring out

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Five meters one night after just cutting these five meters making these tubes up

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We took a little tank and whatever to dunstable and it was like the first day they were just gone. They're just gone

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Everyone was like and I remember like terri eard came over and he was like, oh, that's brilliant

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You know, can I have one and it was like, yeah, obviously that was like a contel. Yeah take one. Yeah, and uh, yeah you think wow, you know

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He sees it a really good thing, you know, and yeah now look at it

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Well, it's it must fill you with a sense of enormous pride that virtually every carp angler

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Either has one in their armory or alternatively has had one and if they haven't had one they will buy one at some stage

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Yeah, it's like it's an every angle thing, isn't it? It's almost like a kind of

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So long ago the almost it's just part of fishing now and it's just everyone's got one

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But I know back at the time people were going that's the best best thing for years, you know to sort of come out

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But yeah, I kind of look at it. Just think well, it wasn't anything

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It was a great development. Yeah

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Yeah, yeah, I didn't see his innovation, but I just saw it as a problem. It was a problem solved

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Yeah, it made something now that you couldn't work with easy workable

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Can you imagine if you'd have had a penny off every single one that we sold because every company does them now, don't they?

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Yeah, I mean, you know, you've you've got the fox guys there obviously cordon. Yeah. Yeah

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NASP do it. Yeah, SP do it. Yeah, everybody does it. Yeah, and I mean it was a couple of years as well

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It's kind of left alone just uh, you know, and it obviously made up a massive amount of their turnover at the time

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It's a bit like us with the um when we adventure with me and shoes putting the uh, the the

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Unhook him out the floatation. That's right. Yeah. Yeah

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That's it. We were left alone for about 12 months. Yeah

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Because even though I remember thinking I can't believe no one else's perhaps

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I think there's some kind of design register on it or something, you know

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And it can't be touched isn't it? Isn't it interesting though how some people see something straight away and some people don't see it

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You know because you you said that dan didn't quite get the concept of it to begin with, you know

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Yeah, yeah

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Yeah

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It's it was more because I he knew at the time I was fishing over a lot of bait

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He knew that I was doing the whole particle fishing thing and

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Yeah, it's kind of well there's a lot of bait there and your rigs amongst it and it's like yeah

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But it's giving off so much more having that it's a nice and if if it is it might you know

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We all know that you especially you are doing the underwater stuff when you're spodding. It's not like going spreading everywhere. It's like

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The dollops and the dollops. Yeah, you know, it's especially probably talking

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Eight foot water efficient in eight nine foot so it's not deep. So you've got just like it's pretty tight

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It's not long range anyway, but just to have that somewhere amongst that mix gets you that bite

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So much I think anything that makes you a little bit more attractive whether it's color or whether it's flavor

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Yeah, it's an extra bit of food by the side of it as well. And you know, i've i've just come back from poland

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I said just come back. It was it was a while ago. I had the absolute session of a lifetime

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At this lake in poland place called goselwicz. Yeah, really really big fish in it

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It's a long way to drive there got there quite late because it's a long way

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Uh change over time is lunchtime

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As a result, we didn't start getting the rods out until getting dark now. You're allowed boats. You're allowed bait boats

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It was like the spanish armada

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You can imagine everybody leaving on the saturday and then everyone turning up the amount of boat traffic on there

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My peg middle of the lake not a good peg not a bad peg just a peg

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No boat traffic on it. So as a result the fish ended up the fish ended up there first thing in the morning

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I've had a bite landed one 60 pound by the way, thank you. Nice happy days. Yeah, but uh

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Uh, i've seen a couple of fish move in casting range. Yeah, and I thought i'm going to chuck a bag on them

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And chucked it literally just a mesh bag of pva pellets or pellets over the top quick liquor salmon oil

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Boshed it over the top. No bait caught one caught another one caught another one

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It is such a good way if the fish are there you're getting bait in front of them. You're not disturbing them. Yep

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Amazing it actually also makes a bit of a different splash

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To the lead going here as well. Isn't it? Yeah, because it's following directly behind your lead

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Yeah

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So, you know, it doesn't it doesn't sound like just a bare lead being cast in either

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The splash is quite different because you've got the lead splash and then you've got the bag splash as well

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I think it helps lay your rig out for me

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I put that down as one of the best inventions since the hair rig, you know, there's all sorts of claims out

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Yeah, about the best gadgets since the hair rig. What is it? And for me it's pva and and and that nuggets make it

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, well done. I was I was actually working with hutchinson at the time

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Yeah, I know that's that's why I said you you yeah, and and I remember ordering some thinking

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Yeah, this is going to be great and thinking that's a bad deal

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Exactly

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Bidding it thinking the thing is I hate to waste anything. Yeah, I hate to throw it away and I can't I hate to be

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Sort of beaten if they yeah, I love solving problems, you know

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Yeah, so I am quite good at working by whether it be a bodge or whatever. I'm quite good at going

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Well, I know if you put that in there that and away you go and it was really one of them

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It was like i'm not gonna throw away there is a way around this and yes

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It was quite a simple solution. It was like right. So if you don't work with a loose end

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You're not gonna have a problem. So let's not work with a loose end and that was a bit wasn't it brilliant stuff

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Well, thank you for that steve as well as the pva he's bought two gifts and he said he's got another one

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Yeah, so i'm looking forward to seeing it. This one's a little bit more

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More personal rob. Oh, oh is it it is yeah, it's

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I was up in me loft

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And I found this

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I found this

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There's a i mean you and chloe there. I mean that is we look about 12

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We were about 12. Yeah, you probably are. I mean that's a long time ago

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Yeah, I don't even know when that was done. I think my mum picked up from a boot sale for me. Yeah

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Yeah, I think she didn't pay full price. Yeah. Yeah, it's probably a pound or so. I was probably when you were robbed

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Um, but yeah, so i'll bring that in for you and i've showed some incredible restraint that I didn't get busy with it with sharpie

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Yeah, I mean I did there a couple of times. No, I can't do it to rob

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I'll leave it show the camera. I'll leave it in the pristine condition. It currently is that is you've got to show the title as well

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That's the story about covering it up. That is the original short session carpet hit runs

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Film I think myself a rosy followed that with big hit carpet

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But yeah, it was like purely by chance as well the other day I was up there

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I was actually looking for some uh ps2 games for me for my youngest boy that wants to get back

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I thought come across a box of old videos. I thought look there you go. When was that?

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94 was it? Something like that. Yeah, it's got to be the thick end of 30 years ago that interesting story about that

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Actually that that we uh, we got asked to make this film

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Uh by a guy called liam dale used to do stuff. Yeah. Yeah, that's right

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Yeah, it got bob nud doing some so he done some few fishing videos

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, he got nutty doing some stuff for for match fishing

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He got I think jewels did one or two with him as well

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He said look do you too fancy coming out because we were doing the day ticket waters things at the time and we said that yeah

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Yeah, that was the first ever for it into into filming and that was generally purely

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The like I say the weekend up there looking for other stuff and come across a box of videos

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I'm going to claim to be like jr. Hartley because I think i've got the box but I don't think i've got the tape

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All right. Okay. Right. So there you go, mate. We've got to do this

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Haven't even got a dvd player anymore. Yeah, it's a real thing of the past that

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Well, that's going to take pride in the museum as well. We like that

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We like that. We're gonna have to get you to sign your pva mash as well. Okay, mate. Yeah, no problem at all

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Yeah, i'll do that. Thank you for that. That's right. You're welcome. That is absolutely amazing

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So you've been in the trade for quite a long time. So you with corda for how long?

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Uh about eight and a half years eight and a half years and that was in the very early years as well. Yeah

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Yeah, that was an interesting time. Yeah, I bet working in a cattle shed smelting lids and yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, I mean that's that's quite a funny thing on its own that you know

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Sort of going there and seeing how it was done how the you know, obviously they're all smelting china now, but um

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Yeah watching it actually

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Thinking there would be these big industrial molds and it's like a two impression mold. Yeah, so

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You go in and you think is that it what they're making them from a two impression mold and then obviously once you understand how

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It all works. You can't work with great big molds because the lead goes off so quick

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Yeah

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So you have to heat the molds and you basically work a two impression mold three or four molds at a time rotating really fast

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Yeah, and uh, yeah and that and that's basically how you do it. Um,

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Um, but yeah, I mean I had to learn all the jobs to run because I went in to run the manufacturing side of it

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Yeah, um and then sort of went on from there obviously

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Into obviously a more senior role and also then doing this sort of counts and looking after looking after accounts and stuff like that as well

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So yeah, yeah, so the whole

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It's the lead thing that that just blew my mind

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Yeah

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Exciting time to be around carp fishing. I think the era that that that we've lived through that sort of coming into it in the late 80s

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Through to now we've seen such an amazing development, you know people I think people complain now about what carp fishing's like

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Uh, you can only live when you live but if you were to ask me when was the best time? I think we had it

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Yeah, I know I'd I'd yeah definitely agree with you for me. I mean what you said earlier about obviously when

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I started in 86 was my first i'd played a little bit in 85 looking at once this carp fishing this looks all right

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You know 86 was the first year I went right i'm setting my stall out

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I'm going to try because there was no information there was there it was like either you had a mate that done a bit

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He knew someone had done this and he'll tell you this and this is how you make bait

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so

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Fortunately, I'd met a guy and he was like right come in my house

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I'll show you how to make boilies and all that sort of stuff rather than buy because you could buy ritual of two

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It is. Yes. There was I think there was much other than ritual of frozen two. Do you remember the purple pakka? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah

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Um, yeah, so it was like I have a bag of frozen ritual for make your own and I'd met this guy and obviously

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He'd show me how you know, this is how you make boilies and it was like this bit of that

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And he gave me a recipe and I ended up I was just ordering all the ingredients for that recipe

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I thought to you then in the end he started producing a protein mix anyway

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And i'm thinking why am I buying all these bits to do?

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It's you know, it's the same sort of thing. So yeah, and that's really on the boilie front, but

395
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Yeah, I was gonna the I think the main point there is

396
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,400
That you start hearing about these anglers and obviously the same guy gave me two books to read one was

397
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,000
Calf fever and the other was carp strikes back. Yeah, and

398
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:53,400
I mean both great books, you know, but the carp strikes back hutchie was was that that he was my

399
00:28:53,960 --> 00:29:00,200
Calf fishing either really from when I read the book and I mean the entertainment value alone. His stories are fantastic

400
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:01,960
um

401
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,680
But yeah, just so knowledgeable and then going back to medine, which is

402
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,960
Well, yeah 12 years later. Yeah

403
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,320
And hutchie is there. Yeah, you know and to be fair, you know, obviously yourself crowey

404
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,720
These are all people we know from like, you know

405
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,920
From from the world of the magazines and uh, you know, I

406
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,760
I mean there's no like loads of people like jacko

407
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:31,000
Locky you've got all these people you think wow, you know, I'm finishing a match again. What am I doing here?

408
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,680
You know and uh, and then obviously to then start doing in the bca season fishing against these same people and now

409
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,360
You're chatting with them. They know you and you know them and it's like and you've ended up on the outcast podcast

410
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:48,440
Yeah, and you can't get it. It's like yeah, no obviously tim. I fish next to tim. Um

411
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,320
Laque four by four now. There's a legend mate. I'll tell you what. Yeah

412
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,240
Unbelievable guy the work rate is just relentless. He's still like it 86 day before yesterday

413
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,240
Yeah, yeah birthday day before yesterday 86 years old and he's still

414
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,800
Going out. It's just incredible comes back to what you said earlier about

415
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,240
Do not put the rods back out is enough not enough. Yeah

416
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,960
Tim was walking around he was fishing the other side the back bay of the old lake on laque

417
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,720
So it's like a little point this bay

418
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,600
I don't even know how big it is an acre or so and go around the other side

419
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,800
I mean he'd have a bike he'd be around at three o'clock in the morning

420
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,040
But you know a lot of people would think they might just put it back out or you know

421
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,920
But he was around there non-stop non-stop actually loved fishing with like next to tim

422
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000
It was a real experience like you know

423
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,480
So yeah, even that I mean i'd been in the trade obviously for a few years then and i've started to know these guys

424
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,680
And then you're thinking but yeah, I think back to think we got tim there and laque in the back bay like you know

425
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,240
I'm fishing with these guys and it's like

426
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,960
Yeah, yeah, so it's uh, yeah, it was a real nice time. I think um

427
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,000
When you when you get to know people actually they're just nice blokes

428
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,720
Well, yeah time, you know, there wasn't there wasn't there was bitchiness, but not not quite. No, no

429
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,360
Social media is a big thing there that everybody's got a mouthpiece. Yeah. Yeah, 100. Yeah. Yeah. It is. Yeah. It's a lot different

430
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,600
People might pitch behind your back and yeah, but you wouldn't really know about it perhaps or too much

431
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,440
um

432
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,440
But yeah, I think I think

433
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:22,200
That the main thing was you realize these guys just carp hangers. They're just like you they're no different to you, you know

434
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,200
very few of them to me

435
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,920
You never felt like are these people think they're superstar status if that makes sense

436
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,000
Yeah, they were they're always there is one or two

437
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,360
But if I ask me a door if i'm just you know fine and to get compliments sometimes with people like that

438
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,720
I remember doing the nec and tim tim was uh

439
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,560
I've got my moves caught up. I remember comparing it but tim was there. It might have been been tim

440
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,760
And I sat at the panel with dan and frank and he came up to me at the end and said you spoke a lot

441
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,000
Of sense about you saying about I was talking about leaving a marker floating and winding it down

442
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,640
Yeah, and you know someone said well surely you're scaring the fish and I went

443
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,160
Why?

444
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,160
They don't know what marker float is. How do you know it's not attracted them with it rofting around, you know

445
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,920
They love poles and sticks put a marker pole eating and rubbing in it. It's banging all over some how do you know?

446
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,800
It's not affecting my fishing. I've tried it and it works

447
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,680
You know, even if you're fishing within a couple of foot of that marker

448
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,000
Yeah, it was because that the reason I was doing it at that time because most people think well

449
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,320
Why would you leave a mark floating it was because

450
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:31,240
Again fishing was fishing later and they'd banned spodding. Yeah, so we went right everyone now goes to singles

451
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,880
Bags all that sort of stuff. Not really any bait going in obviously. There's loads of fish. It's hungry

452
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:41,560
What so we thought what so how else do we get particle in and someone had mentioned vitaling about just balls of vitaling

453
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:47,640
Yeah, so we thought well about using the same particle mix but just mixing it with vitaling and making it

454
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,280
So just so it held together so we could manage to put it out 40 yards 30 yards

455
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,800
So right that's the plan. So back then we were obviously putting a marker flow out to be accurate

456
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,640
um

457
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:05,720
And then you know, you'd fish two rods one side two down one each side whatever you wanted to do ball out your balls

458
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,200
Why just wind your marker down because they're only ever going one way which is straight up?

459
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,440
Yeah, so you get taken straight out to pick up. Yes play and you might

460
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,160
They might pick up your marker ones possibly most of the time you you know

461
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,880
You'd get away with it and all you'd have to do is re-chuck it, you know, so it was uh, yeah

462
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,800
Yeah, and that it's it's surprising actually how important accuracy is

463
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,200
You know when you're getting if if you want a big hitter fish being accurate, you know

464
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Knowing exactly where that spot is is vitally important

465
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:40,680
Is it you know, what one of the things we do with team england is when you've got a 72 hour match on

466
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,560
Even though you know exactly where your spot is and you might be clipped up to it actually every now and again

467
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,800
It's worth popping the marker float out. Yeah, just to see because as your arm gets tired

468
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:55,240
You might not be sticking quite as far. So it's always worthwhile dropping it back up again. Yeah, so you can see

469
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,520
You know, yeah, yeah, very true. I mean it's um, you know how much wind affects it

470
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,960
It was just wind bows in your line, you know again, that's something you'd suffer fishing a one because of the big cross crosswinds

471
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:12,680
Um, you know, I suppose the average cast on there's probably 100 yardish anything from about 80 to about 115 on there

472
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,880
So it's about 100 yards of sheet quite open as you know

473
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:22,120
So you get those big winds tanking through especially with braids get a big bow in your line and you can be quite a way off

474
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,120
So a lot of time you would have to literally go

475
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,400
Do you know what?

476
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,920
Because you've got an island as your marker you go right off a rod and I'm going for it

477
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,920
So I have you know

478
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:35,160
Got away with it. So it's surprising how far you can be away

479
00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:40,520
And going back to the days of the spots. This is where spawn was so much better over over a spot

480
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,160
Was that when you'd get that?

481
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:48,280
Especially when we use the garden along rockets quite a while, which because they cast so well

482
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,520
They did cast well, but they're so slow to empty the drift. Yeah, exactly that

483
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,120
So if you if you it was quite an eye opener to go, do you know what?

484
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,360
Fling one out a couple of rod links where you could see it and go

485
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,240
Wow, that's like

486
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,240
Eight to ten foot off the spot

487
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:08,280
I remember doing a test with the old gardener the the yellow one

488
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:08,760
Yeah

489
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,000
And I think I did a quarter one as well actually because you'd got one at the time that had got

490
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:15,720
It had got a sleeve that you could put in it

491
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:16,200
Yeah

492
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,680
And the problem with those was that when they land an up end they create a vacuum

493
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,080
So it actually holds all the bait in it

494
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:29,320
Yeah, so everybody used to at the time you'd cast out let it settle thinking that it was going to drop out

495
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,160
And then you'd flick it a couple of times. Yeah, and and actually by the time it's drifted you cast bang over your spot

496
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,200
You think yeah, that's on it. You let it drift 10 foot off it

497
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,760
And then flick it and the bait's coming out there. Yeah

498
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,240
Yeah, so, you know

499
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:46,440
Again, like you say the spawn empties at least where it's where it's landing right?

500
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,560
I think whatever you're doing fishing it's always worth trying to replicate that where you can see it

501
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,200
Yes, that makes it so even if it is just in the edge just to see like say more

502
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,440
Spombs it makes no bang. They're open. You know your bait's in the right spot, but

503
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,760
Yeah, exactly that I mean in the end it came to like drilling little holes in to try and

504
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,840
Stop that whole vacuum effect

505
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,880
But yeah, you'd see that drift for ages and maybe a couple of bits of hemp or something come out and all of a sudden

506
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,040
It's going to do an empty. Yeah, and you'll go

507
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,480
Wow, that's a real real eye-opener. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think well

508
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,520
I think the underwater stuff's obviously done a lot to help that. Yeah, of course

509
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you can't replicate everything in the edge can you?

510
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,600
No, no, that's right

511
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,040
I think one of the one of the things that I always think about is people replicate in the edge

512
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,920
They'll they'll get the rig and they just drop it in the edge

513
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,280
Critically balance the bait down a little bit more and then drop it down and they'll just look at it going

514
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,720
Oh, that looks ace and then they'll they'll think oh no, it just needs a little tweak

515
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:43,720
So they'll just micro adjust it

516
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,320
And they go yeah, that's perfect

517
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,880
And then they'll really in the leather it out 120 yards out into the pond without it in the clip. Yeah

518
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,320
Yeah, so everything that you did in the end you laid it down by hand

519
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,240
It's like the difference between a feeder landing in a pole float. Yeah, you'll be really accurate. Yeah

520
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:06,040
Look, let's talk about day-to-day life for steve spurgeon. What work work wise you work for fox now

521
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,420
Yeah, you're a rep on the road. You're not involved in product development

522
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,640
Although you do have a bit of a touch on that when things come out. Yeah, I still get

523
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,280
Obviously I still get to see stuff prior to come out

524
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,000
Uh, I still get things to play with yes

525
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,120
Uh, not as much as the other boys because they're fishing way more than I am. So i'm still on the consultancy team

526
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,000
Um, but yeah, I'll get chucked a bit of brain

527
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,040
A few little components

528
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:38,120
Yeah, so yeah, it's nice i'm still involved in that side of things but on the bigger development products

529
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,000
I mean don't get me wrong if I went and saw scott, you know

530
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,040
You'd show me something like sean or whatever if I was in the office

531
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,720
I might you know, I might share an opinion on it or whatever. But

532
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,600
Yeah, generally not as involved as I perhaps was once upon a time. Um, so

533
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,920
Yeah, I mean the other thing is i'm busy with what I do in the shops. Yeah

534
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,840
Yeah, people I think a lot of people think it's quite an easy gig, but it's not well traffic must be your biggest enemy

535
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:09,000
Surely, I mean time's hard anyway that you know some shops we see a a struggling blessed everybody

536
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,760
But um, I would think you know, I spend a lot of time on the road and traffic's murder

537
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,080
Yeah, i've seen your post coming up. I know it's for a long time

538
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:19,400
Stuck on wherever i've given up doing it now because I think I used to encourage it

539
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:25,800
Right, so I used to put for those who don't follow me on social media. I used to post queue pictures all the time

540
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,880
Just like a different queue. I always seem to be in the queue. Yeah now i've stopped posting them

541
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,960
I don't queue as much. No, I mean not

542
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,200
I'm quite fortunate. I mean I travel up and down the a12 which is

543
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,960
Always renowned that used to be one of the worst a roads in the country for accidents

544
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,520
But I always seem to be going the other way. Yeah, so I seem to either be going away from it or

545
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,800
When i'm coming back, it's the other way. So but yeah time to time. Yeah m11 as well

546
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,280
So what's day to day like on the road then talk talk me through sort of your your normal week because it

547
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,600
We don't hear from reps very often

548
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,920
No, no people there's people on the outside looking in going. I would love a job in the trade

549
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,120
Yeah, and there's various different things most of the time when they say they want a job in the trade

550
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,560
What they actually want to do is they want to be in front of a camera go fishing full time

551
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,760
That's what they want to do

552
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,720
But actually there's so many jobs in the trade from packing boxes to yeah to be out on the road if you think about it

553
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,520
I mean

554
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,600
There's loads of guys the guys i mean the shop a lot of them would like to do what I do and they'd like to

555
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,600
Be working for for manufacturers

556
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:27,480
But it's so limited opportunities, you know, i've had people like that have lost jobs within shops and god as fox got any jobs

557
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,480
We're in belgium. You know end of day most of it's in belgium. We've only got

558
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,680
Accounts development team all the cad guys

559
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,640
uh, yeah, so

560
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:43,400
Yeah, there isn't you know, there isn't unless you're skilled at something like that or working for the media team

561
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:49,960
There isn't you can't just walk into a job at fox mine's probably the least what i'd say is the least skilled job

562
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,480
um

563
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,160
As in you don't really need any qualifications. The biggest one is just get on with people

564
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,520
Yeah, which I like to think i'd do, you know, you know with most people anyway

565
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,240
so

566
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:06,520
Yeah, I mean it's a lovely job to do. I mean i'm getting i'm getting old now and it does become hard

567
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,840
You have to be really self-motivated

568
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,720
If you're not you couldn't do this job if you if you said to me

569
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,000
You know at the end of the day i'm selling fishing tackle to to retailers

570
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:21,720
That's what i'm doing my job is to go in some fish tackle obviously and generally look after and make sure that whatever we're doing as a company

571
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,560
They're happy with him and you know that they want to trade with us because we are the ones they want to do their business with

572
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,960
Yeah, so that's my go when i'm going and going on these visits. Um

573
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,040
But yeah, it's lovely because you end up with so many friends, you know

574
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,600
There's people now that you know, I was meant to be taupe fishing sunday that that's with one of my customers

575
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,240
I was gonna say I bet you get loads of invites to go play. Yeah, you do

576
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,080
Yeah, you get get invites obviously go and fish various lakes and stuff like that. Um

577
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,160
but to be honest, I don't I rarely take anyone up on it purely because

578
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,640
I do my own fishing. I'll get quite a few people hint about me taking them fishing

579
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,680
And I think I don't even get I don't yeah when you're taking me to focus

580
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,720
I don't even know when i'm going myself, you know, let alone I literally I don't it could be

581
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,080
I say if i'm planning on doing a night from directly from work if I get stuck in traffic

582
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,880
I ain't going yeah, i'm not going. Yeah, I have to try and do it another night. I'll have to miss it that week

583
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,920
Um, you know, i'm not going to turn up stupidly late or whatever and yeah, it could be loads of ways

584
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,560
I could turn up. It's just really busy. I don't fancy it. So i've done that loads of times, you know and just gone

585
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,520
Do you know what? I ain't feeling it either and i'll just go

586
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:33,720
Um, so you can't arrange to go fishing when that's your kind of fishing mentality or whatever you want to call it. It's um

587
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,480
Yeah, you can't you just can't do it. I don't fish weekends. Yeah, so

588
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Because I try I mean obviously when you're growing up with the family my boys are old now, you know, obviously a lot older

589
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,400
Uh don't live with me. Um, so it's me and the wife but I do actually

590
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,440
I like most people I actually get on with my wife

591
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,240
Um, yeah, we like to spend time together. Um

592
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,600
What we do is like all manner of things really like

593
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,400
Yeah, just stuff just stuff

594
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,000
Yeah

595
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,720
Well one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about is you you have done a little bit in front of camera

596
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,560
Uh, and and for me one of the funniest films I think I ever saw was mozza versus

597
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,000
Yeah, when you took on mozza on that challenge now

598
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:22,280
Like I know you i've known you a long time and and you are what you see there if there is any opportunity to wind someone up

599
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,800
Yeah, I love a practical joke. Yeah, I mean obviously again the older you get and the more

600
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,600
I don't know. What's the word?

601
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:36,120
I don't know. Yeah, I suppose it is you just you just calm down a little bit and but when I think back to some of the

602
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,520
Things over the years that sort of done and you think god it's back to that because I'm a little bit more

603
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:46,280
I sort of said I know you know, it's fine and everything. How did no one ever get hurt or you know with the initiation ceremony of putting people in bins?

604
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:51,720
Yeah, it was all that used to happen a lot. We used to do yeah like cling wrap one of the lads up. This was obviously

605
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,360
They called cling wrap to put him on a barra

606
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,880
Wield him down to the main road tips over there was a lot

607
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,160
There was another company used to like gilding that always like paper shavings

608
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:05,080
We like just pulled all them over him chucked a bucket water over him. God knows

609
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:11,480
What he just left him with a sign on him honk. It's my birthday or something like that. Yeah, just left him there to eventually turn

610
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,440
It was gone for about half an hour and then someone actually came out of a house moaned at him for the

611
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:19,240
Mess and released him from the cling film

612
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,360
Yeah, so yeah, that would be bullying these days. Oh, yeah, yeah

613
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,400
We would call it horseplay at work and bullying. But yeah, yeah these days you just

614
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,760
Can't you couldn't do anything like that. I mean, I don't think we ever really upset anyone

615
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,760
Never hurt anybody. Yeah, never. Yeah, never and it was all done

616
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:43,640
It was done as a laugh and it was like it wasn't we never like that same person at a time

617
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:49,160
It was like everyone's at everyone's having it. No, no one's no one's getting out of this. Yeah, everyone's a target

618
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,680
Yeah, and it used to be quite interesting if someone then tried to get out of the way

619
00:43:54,680 --> 00:44:00,840
Because I you know me and chris back then obviously as a team if one tried to you now both of us like try to get

620
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,240
You know, and you'd think most of them then do it once and keep actually. Yeah, it's just not worth it

621
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,280
Yeah, i'll just i'll have to just let it go over me

622
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,320
So yeah, we did. Yeah, I used to love a little practical joke obviously with mozza

623
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,440
There was an opportunity or two there to have a bit of a giggle with him

624
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,120
So for those of you that have a little bit of a giggle with him, I think it's a good thing

625
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:25,160
I think it's a good thing that we've got a little bit of a giggle with him. Yeah, it's a good thing

626
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,040
I think it's a good thing that we've got a little bit of a giggle with him

627
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,280
So for those of you that haven't seen it, I'll urge you to look it up. It's on youtube

628
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,520
It's mozza versus and and lee mozza morris. You will know everybody knows him

629
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:43,000
He's got a great little series on there where he challenges various different people from the fox camp to a competition if he loses there's a forfeit

630
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,280
Your forfeit for him. Yeah, obviously it's gonna give away if you haven't watched it, but yeah, he loses

631
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,080
Yeah, I mean he came up with that and you can imagine

632
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:59,000
When he said that I just he had a couple of little hints about how we're in s6

633
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,120
I mean you ain't got a for jazzle kit or something like that

634
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,000
No, it's better than that. It's better than that and all that and he went right

635
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,800
Whoever loses gonna get the fake tan. I went mate. I can't I can't I've got go, you know

636
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:17,640
I've got to go work. I can't walk around shops with like a load of fake tan

637
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,680
And he was like well, that's the forfeit. You got to do it if it happens. You got to do it

638
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:26,200
So I was really concerned about he was more

639
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:31,160
I went well, don't you bother if I beat you and he was like no and he was going to the I think it was the

640
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,760
Manchester show

641
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,480
And he was he was off to do that and he was like no it'd be quite funny

642
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,560
Yeah, so obviously he loses I thought right you're getting it

643
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:46,040
You're getting it mate. So yeah, I mean I was laughing it on like a motion. I was slapping it all on him

644
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,040
Making sure I didn't miss any creases. So yeah, he really got it

645
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:55,720
But what was so funny when he actually saw how bad he was his first reaction. He was trying to wash it off

646
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,920
You know, it was like I went from i'm not bothered. It'll be a laughter. Oh my god

647
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,600
Like he looked like the genie of Aladdin, you know, it's like yes

648
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,480
Yeah

649
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,600
But it was it was the way that you won as well. And and again without giving the way the game away too much folks

650
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,680
Just just have a look because it is absolutely

651
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,640
There was a bit in that you didn't see

652
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,640
Mazda actually did put up on a piece. I did see that he actually put it up

653
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:24,120
I can't remember what it was on one of his diary bits. I was going back obviously a few years now and uh

654
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,000
Yeah, he while we were there

655
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,400
so

656
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,320
We obviously do the swim the draw for the swims

657
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,040
It's basically we've decided we're going to fish one swim and split it off

658
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,120
So we haven't got a lot of water between us

659
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,720
Obviously, we're trying to make it as fair as possible

660
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,480
And so we've had this boundary line. So right. Okay, so you get left you can't get even

661
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,200
So anyway, I won it was the hard cast. Okay, give it away

662
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:56,280
Castor which was that was entertaining as well. Just having a because just bantering him up trying to put him off or whatever

663
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,880
And it clearly worked

664
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:03,400
Um, yeah, so obviously i'll get his choice. I'm thinking I know i'm gonna be left with a lot less water

665
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,560
But i'm i'm sure there's a hole in front of this. It's this side in the right side

666
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,600
So i'm like, yeah, yeah that thinking that because it was in the winter anyway

667
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,600
So we knew it was going to be quite tough fishing

668
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,840
But I was convinced there was this like hot spot hole

669
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,720
so I thought like deep is coming out from this i'm wearing it way past where it is and

670
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,280
Like find it so a few casts

671
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:29,000
Nothing, he's he's wetting himself mother. It's like i can't be like 10 foot 10 foot 10 foot 10 foot and i'm like

672
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,560
Ain't no, are you cusking 10 foot 10?

673
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,560
So in the end i've give up

674
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:39,400
Yeah, so i've decided i've had to mark out and done my own thing and anyway decided on the spot

675
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,400
So i've left this deeper because i've been cracking out quite a while. I've left it clipped up

676
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,360
So I thought oh i'll get I don't leave it in the clip, but I don't want to cast it back in my swim now

677
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,000
So i've kind of cast up really it's like a corner anyway

678
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:56,040
I sort of cast out done this big looping cast because I want to get quite a bit of the braid off

679
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,560
Not thinking there's a big wind pushing in the corner

680
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,360
And i've suddenly realized my braids about to loop into this big willow in the corner tree

681
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,320
So all of a sudden quickly try to wind down i've just seen it catch the lock right at the top

682
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,080
It was and i'm like what it's not coming off so i flicked it round it up

683
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,000
Got it all the way to the top. I thought easy come off. I'll get it to the top give it the old

684
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,560
I'm on braid anyway give it

685
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,680
It's i know it's now wrapped and i'm like no and i'm like we're trying to get it down eventually it's gone

686
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:27,240
snaps and it's deep as up the tree

687
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:32,520
So i've told like the fishery owner. Yeah, no problem. I'll come down with saw we get that out and I went no

688
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,240
He's out

689
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:41,960
We are talking 30 foot up the tree right and it's like it's come over and he went how'd you get out of there and I went

690
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,360
Big bummer

691
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:49,080
It's out there so I can't get that so I think it was the the next day

692
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:55,720
I'm like I can't leave it out there. So we've got a grappling marker. I'll put some like heavy braid on my spod rod

693
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:59,000
I'm like about 50 meters or whatever. I'm standing there

694
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,400
There's like a little tiny like if you can imagine there's like a gap between two branches

695
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,480
It's hanging down there and think if you get it in there

696
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,360
Might be a torque up and get it

697
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:13,880
And it was like I don't know how many costs we had about a dozen costs come close and you had to be careful as well

698
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,160
That you want

699
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,400
Obviously how you're gonna hang that up. So if it looked like I was gonna go too deep. That's a bit of a bolt here

700
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,200
Eventually mozza actually got it. I mean it was like say that's a good cast then

701
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,480
Yeah, yeah, I mean the gap was you're talking probably like that by about that

702
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:33,880
And eventually I mean, yeah, you can see it was going. Yeah, it's going we got it down. But yeah, he took great

703
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:40,680
Great plays were ripping that out of me for that one. But yeah, it was the whole thing was I say fishing was hard

704
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,520
But yeah, what a laugh. Yeah, what a laugh fantastic

705
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:50,520
So do you do you miss the competitive side of things because obviously you've been out of it for a while you fish England

706
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:51,800
Yep

707
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,920
So you were hugely competitive in the in the bcac you were competitive with England

708
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,240
You've dropped out of it. You you've got your head back up for a bit of a knockup with mozza. Do you miss it?

709
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,520
Or do you?

710
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,320
Yeah, it's a bit different with mozza because it's just one-on-one and

711
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,800
Yes and no

712
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,080
um

713
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,080
I've I had quite a few sort of

714
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,240
Invites to come back and do it again from our part and to be fair

715
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:21,400
I it's really good anglers that if anything, they'll be carrying me these days and I think that's it. I just think

716
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,920
You see the likes of obviously fishing against billy and jamey again another great power, you know brilliant power

717
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:33,640
and we were fishing obviously considerably older than they are and you just feel like you come into the end of

718
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:40,360
If you keenness for it, i'm still competitive. I you know, I think much competitive never goes out of nature

719
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Does it never know it's like christmas if the board games come out of christmas

720
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,720
No one wants to pair up with it

721
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:50,680
If it's no one wants me because they know if in any way they let me down as a as a team

722
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,760
Yeah, I don't stop going on about it

723
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,760
You know, so no one really wants to pair up with me on that when it comes to stuff like that

724
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,760
But yes, i'm still hugely competitive

725
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:05,000
Um, but it's that look I had my time. I had a go at it loved it when i've done it

726
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,840
um

727
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,960
saw so many in the early days it was like

728
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:15,240
It was serious, but not a serious if that makes sense. It was very serious people wanted to qualify

729
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,880
But I don't know. I just felt it perhaps it was a different vibe. Yeah. Yeah, it was very much a different

730
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,880
It wasn't yeah, it was a lot

731
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,920
You know a lot of friends. I say a lot of big names obviously fishing it back then

732
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,560
And in a lot of ways it wasn't really their kind of fishing

733
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,840
Whereas obviously for me i'd come from these like fishing runs waters for like bikes. I loved it

734
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,400
I loved it. You know, I love the sound of a take, you know, so

735
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,120
So and it was like how many more can I catch? You know, I want to catch more than they caught over there

736
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,640
And yeah, competitive nature in it. So in some ways that's yeah that he's still there

737
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,680
Lainey, chile, terry, nick helier

738
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,280
um

739
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:55,560
You know, they're just names that official british carp. Yeah, you wouldn't associate. No, would you? No, not really. No

740
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:02,120
Terry herne and the british carp. Yeah. Yeah, well terry what it was with mark redding in the first year. Yeah, that's it

741
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,520
Yeah, yeah, another good memory. Yeah. Yeah

742
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,360
Yeah, I mean absolutely smashed it with zigs and surface fishing down a far end. Yeah

743
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:09,320
um

744
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,760
Yeah, you would never

745
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,560
And I don't think i don't know if terry went back in it after that. I don't know. I don't think it just not

746
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,760
I don't I don't think he did. I think he did it for that first year

747
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,480
Because like everybody wanted to be a part of it the first year

748
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,640
And I think a lot of people just thought you know what? It's not for me

749
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:29,240
I just like my own fishing. I loved it. I thought it was great. Like you say it was a really good vibe

750
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,360
You know, there's so many things you think about even going back

751
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:37,480
Not the piece hasty, but I think it was medine the second year when rob tough appeared on the balcony

752
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,240
You know just things like that you you wouldn't see that

753
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,880
You know, there's uh, there was some sort of madman about back then and uh sort of fishing in it

754
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:53,560
But yeah, it it was just yeah, I just really enjoyed it. I enjoyed that competitive, you know, we've done well at it

755
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,840
It suited my style of fishing if you got the right venue

756
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,080
um

757
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,120
Yeah, yeah, do you fish abroad much now? No, not at all really. Um, it's an odd one. It's um

758
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,440
All right, and I was trying to work out the last time I actually had a week abroad

759
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:15,000
Was the quay four by four was it? I've done long weekends. I've done long weekends to holland belgium

760
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,080
france

761
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:23,080
Uh, even spain when we when we done the ebro canaries. Yeah, you know all those little sort of trips long weekends

762
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:24,840
um

763
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,960
To be fair, I think it comes back to a little bit. I love fishing for the just carp over here

764
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,760
And because i'm limited for time

765
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,840
I kind of just try and focus it on that

766
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,080
um

767
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,560
Yeah, i'm with that social last year fox. I couldn't go for personal reasons, but

768
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,080
I would have gone on that that was to france. That was that farm lake, you know

769
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,560
But I would have got because it's social because it's all the lads and it would have been a good laugh

770
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:55,720
Um, and they did have a good laugh and caught some good fish, but i'd still rather fish over here, you know

771
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,680
Yeah, it's just just yeah

772
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,920
But don't get me wrong. That doesn't mean I wouldn't fish abroad at all anymore because yeah, i've always enjoyed my trips

773
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,720
But I love belgium. I love I mean there's loads of people going out there now. We've done a road trip

774
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:10,760
I don't know how many years ago. It must be about seven eight years ago now

775
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,320
louis porter dave moncaster

776
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:19,400
Yeah, christy kirk in belgium and jb from france and sort of met up done her again. It was only a short it was like

777
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,000
Yeah, yeah fun though. I loved it. Yeah, it's it's lovely

778
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,760
I like I like looking at social media now seeing what people are doing. It's really interesting how people are

779
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:32,440
Inventing and pioneering things that we invented and pioneering. That's what's so funny all of a sudden

780
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,000
Like it's like the bell would cool thing to do. Yeah. Yeah, like but but when you see the fish out there

781
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,080
They're not the biggest in the world, but that's that it's what they look like, you know

782
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,760
There's so many nice carp out. I think the scenery as well. There was there was one guy

783
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:50,840
I think he was a i'm pretty sure he was either a german or a belgium fox guy that used to catch some amazing carp

784
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,080
They were quite big as well from a railway siding. Do you remember who that was? There was loads of

785
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,600
I don't I think it was one of christy kirk's

786
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:04,760
Pals right it was he was within that circle somewhere, but just amazing these these fish

787
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,160
But you've got a rusty railway engine behind you right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that would have been round

788
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:15,560
That would have been very near to ostend. I think that is yeah, it's not the it's not the normal

789
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,280
Ostend bit but there's other there's loads of little bits around there. You know, the photographs are just completely different

790
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,840
Yeah, you know I was um fishing a lake in Essex not so long ago

791
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,920
And obviously you got a lot of spuds around here at the moment

792
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:31,960
And the spud crates are out in the field and i've had a photograph with the 20 pounder with the spud crater behind me

793
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,120
And i'm really shuffling. Yeah. Yeah

794
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,080
Well funny enough when we done that road trip

795
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,640
We've done a canal in bruge. Yeah

796
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,560
uh, we've done

797
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,560
two nights on a park lake

798
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:48,040
Fishing where we shouldn't really been fishing. But anyways, no, sorry, but anyway done two nights on a park lake

799
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:54,760
and a night on the ost on the actual ostend canal where again you've seen sort of loads of stuff over the over the years

800
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,440
and

801
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,440
I remember we'd had

802
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,440
Depended on what the others had caught

803
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:07,560
Um, depending on where you were going to get along this little bit of canal. So that's about a bit. So if you'd struggled already like then going down

804
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,600
I ended up I mean I ended up really well. I ended up with an end swim. I ended up at the end of everyone. So

805
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:19,400
I've kind of you know, I don't even fish the canal well apart from doing the one in bruge. I don't even fish the canal and um

806
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:25,000
Obviously, it's quite industrial there, isn't it? And um, yeah, i've got the rods out and i've walked down to lewis and

807
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:31,000
And then i've done the same with bruge as well funny enough like it was a lucky trip for me. I've got to be honest

808
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:36,200
And i'm talking to lewis and he went make your alarms going i'm not gonna be safe on because it's like

809
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,560
He went that's your alarm going and it isn't so i've gone down

810
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,800
Plagued this fish and it was um, from memory. It's 23 24. It's a mirror

811
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:49,080
Chris the clerk was like it's a mirror, you know that would have stopped by the vpk

812
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,240
And you know, he was like blowing away. He was going don't realize how special that is and what have you

813
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:58,040
So and the first thing to do was like behind or looking across the canal to the other side

814
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,960
You got all the there was like a big industrial crane thing and it was like right. Yeah

815
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,480
That's gonna be the yeah, well that is your backdrop and all that, you know, so, you know, it is it's funny

816
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,240
It was like I was well pleased with that. Like I said, it's 23 24 pound

817
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:17,160
But it was like it's a mirror from the ostend canal and i've got the industrial machinery in the background a funky back

818
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's cool, isn't it?

819
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,240
And for me, I think now i've been i've been been around the track and done the full circle

820
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,240
It's where you are and who you with yeah

821
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,120
Yeah, and they're the key drivers for me and you know, whether whether it's a double or whether it's a 60

822
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,840
Yeah, you know, obviously you like the big ones, but actually the company and the place is so important

823
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:41,080
Yeah, yeah, because when I think to somebody because i'll say i'm a relatively unsociable angler. Yeah again, i'd say you're really unsophisticated

824
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,080
Yeah, i'll try to prove you right

825
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,440
But again, it comes back to quick overnighters or short and it's called a short overnighters as they're now named

826
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:49,880
Yeah

827
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,920
Yeah, it comes back to that that you don't really have a great deal of time

828
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,760
I do fish with another mate not so much this year, but i've done in previous years

829
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,680
But generally i'm i'm more than happy just to fish on my own. Yeah, you know

830
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,800
Uh, it's time like I say time is your end in some ways

831
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,480
You're not competing with anyone, you know

832
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:10,920
If you go with your mate you've got somebody next door guaranteed. Well all the good anglers or all I would say all the good anglers

833
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,760
I would say all the good anglers really are selfish loners if you look at the ones that

834
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:23,000
That's because if we sit in the same swim and we've got the swim choice, right? I'm halving my chances

835
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,880
Yeah, yeah good angler next door to me. I feel terrible now because the thing I do go with here and always show me swimming

836
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,280
I feel quite bad

837
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,440
And uh, yeah, and you're nicky's fish i've done well off the back of it if you're doing that

838
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,960
No, he has helped me out a lot. So fair play to him. But yeah, like I say

839
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:43,400
You know if you went back the last I know probably 10 years is all right

840
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:48,200
But prior to that pretty if we went back to say 10 years pre pre covid i'd probably

841
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:55,400
Count on a one hand apart from trips what i'd call trips. I'll just fish on my own and i'm like I say

842
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,640
I'm happy on my own practice if I was doing

843
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,960
Five days i'll be a little bit different. I'll be a little bit. Oh, I need someone to talk to but

844
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,400
I'll do talking all day and you're just talking since you've been in here

845
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:12,040
Exactly, I'm a bit of a fishing quiet to be fair. He's one of the only people that i've met that talks more than me

846
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,960
Welcome to the steve's virgin podcast

847
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:18,840
Yes

848
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,440
Yeah, yeah

849
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:21,320
That's really all right

850
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:26,120
But when I think back to some of the best the best fishing experiences they have been with other people

851
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,440
Yeah, you know and when you do have a really good, you know, you have a special capture. It is nice

852
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,440
It's nice to actually share it with someone rather than because most of my fighters just do my own

853
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,600
I don't go and get anyone. I just do self-takes and then i'll never go even if there's some next door

854
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,960
I just do self-takes. Yeah, I don't disturb anyone or anything like that

855
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:43,960
um

856
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,560
Yeah, so

857
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,080
But like I say those trips that belgium roadship that'll stick in my memory

858
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:54,600
If you could if you could go anywhere, let me we're gonna have to cut fairly soon now. We've nearly done our own

859
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,760
I don't apologize. It's been lovely hearing you

860
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:04,840
I have a magic wand. Yeah, and you have one wish it can be to change something to do something or to go somewhere

861
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:12,040
Your choice in carp fishing with the magic wand. What would you do or where would you go or what would you change?

862
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,280
Wow, couldn't you've asked me that before?

863
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,640
Yeah

864
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:20,120
Well, if I ask you before you'll prime it up. So, you know, you can do anything go anywhere or uh,

865
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,000
You know, it might be catch 150 pound carp

866
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,800
It might be you know, there are no limits. It could be any anything at all. What would you do?

867
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,080
Yes, I suppose if you

868
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,760
If I think it was always going to be fishing related not so much i'll change anything

869
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:40,200
It'd probably be what would I do because i'm like say comes back selfish bit. So what would I do? Where would I go?

870
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,520
I don't know. I've never done

871
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,640
I've not done the thailand thing and I do fancy

872
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:52,120
That is something that's there on the kind of bucket list to do same time as well. I'd like to do I'd like to do

873
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,760
the keys or something like that. Yeah, but

874
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,720
I'd also like to not so much do the boats. I'd like to go catch a shark off the beach

875
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,040
Yeah, Namibia. No, not even if you look, you know

876
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:10,360
It wasn't like pentacola in florida, right? Yeah. Yeah, like that area there. I mean the sharks they catch off the beach

877
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,120
I mean, yeah, and you know, they're not far out and it's like

878
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,640
That that looks like a good spot, you know, and uh, yeah

879
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,560
It's just different to going out in a boat doing it off the shore like proper tug of war and yeah

880
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,880
Yeah, yeah, I fancy about that. Yeah, so it'd be it'd be something along those lines

881
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:32,520
So there's a few fishing things but there's no oh, I'd like to go rainbow or anything like I can't believe in a bit of rainbow

882
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:33,960
and I go

883
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,360
Well, when I feel you need two weeks, yeah, well one you've got obviously be part of it

884
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,880
Anyway, so it's not like i'm talking and oh, yeah, I can go rainbow because I can't yeah, you know if I if I wanted to but

885
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,920
It's like I couldn't do two weeks. Yeah, I genuinely couldn't do two. I couldn't go to my wife

886
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,920
Oh, by the way, i'm going on a holiday for two weeks. You're not getting a holiday this year

887
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,280
I just couldn't do it. It's just and it's just a long time for me

888
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:01,960
And that's not knocking anyone that does in any way shape or form, you know, it's good. Four days is a lovely long session

889
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,560
Yeah, yeah, like I said break four days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say three or four

890
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:11,480
Is nice 20 20 like I say 48 for me is now these days is like what about a right old session?

891
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,040
I've done 48 hours like you know, so

892
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:20,200
Yeah, there isn't anywhere where I'd go. I'd love to fish there in the uk or i'd love to have a ticket for there

893
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,920
I mean don't get me wrong. There is loads of places I would but they're not

894
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:28,920
You know, it's two and a half grand a ticket. You can't justify quick overnighters. Yeah, exactly

895
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:35,640
Exactly. Yeah, you have to put everything in perspective and yeah, so you're going shark fishing to pentacola. Yeah, that's basically it

896
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,200
I'm coming with you. Yeah, yeah

897
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,200
Yeah, something along those lines. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, fantastic. Well, look steve. We've run out of time

898
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,920
Thank you ever so much for coming in. It has been an absolute pleasure listening to you for the last hour

899
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,960
Thanks for inviting me

900
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,960
Sorry, yeah, once you get me going there's no stopping me

901
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:59,960
No, absolutely brilliant stuff and a little bit of an eye into the world of a product that everybody has in their tackle box as well

902
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:06,120
Thank you ever so much for listening and watching you know what to do like follow do all those bits and bobs and from me here

903
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:12,440
In the bench here at the outcast. I'll see you next time

904
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:17,640
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905
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