1
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,200
Welcome to the Outcast, the podcast from Outlaw Pro, the ultimate angling experience.

2
00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:14,320
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it's podcast time, so welcome to another episode of the Outcast,

3
00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:22,720
the podcast from Outlaw Pro. Now, as we all know, carp fishing is a really quiet, relaxing pastime.

4
00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:30,880
It's serendipitous. And actually, he got the wrong ladies and gentlemen there. Anyway,

5
00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:36,400
he's given the game away now. I was going to say we've got somebody that brings the epitome of quiet

6
00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:41,200
carp fishing. Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you Mr. Derek Ritchie.

7
00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:50,080
So greetings. Greetings. Have you got another tune on there then? What we're playing?

8
00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,240
Technology and other people. Come on, what's going on there?

9
00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:03,840
Don't. I've just got to tell you something before we start. You might need to turn that off.

10
00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:09,600
Right. Welcome.

11
00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:20,320
All right, let's go. That's gone. All right. I've got to tell you this. You turn around and you say

12
00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:26,800
that about the music. I used to be in our road for the carp society and we had a show with Rob

13
00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:36,240
Malin and Rob was a big draw, you know what I mean? And in Essex, it was a buck a region

14
00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:45,760
because we used to get up to all crazy things and poor old Johnny Meech, he was the organizer of it

15
00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:54,640
all. But I was like the, I introduced everything and done everything. Anyway, I put all this music

16
00:01:54,640 --> 00:02:03,840
on. I'm Pink Floyd. And at that time, it shows you how long ago we had it on a tape. Yeah. And I put

17
00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:11,200
it in the machine. Right. And we started the show. Right. And I was waiting to go outside with the

18
00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:17,120
boys because, you know, it all happened in the car. You know what I mean? We was out there.

19
00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:24,240
I don't know what you mean. I don't know what you mean. I've gone out there and all of a sudden

20
00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,520
someone's come rushing out to the car and he went, but Malin's doing his thing. Rob Malin wants to

21
00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,800
walk off. I said, why? He said that Pink Floyd's just started. What happened? It had come to the

22
00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:42,800
end of the CD. Right. And it turned itself over and started playing while he was talking. And

23
00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:48,320
because then he turned around and he said to me, are we going down the club or are we going to have

24
00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:54,000
my slideshow? And I went, don't worry, Rob. It's all sorted. And that was it. And that was it.

25
00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:59,440
Music's been a big part of your life all the way through. I love it. Love it. It has indeed. Look,

26
00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,600
we normally start this with where are you fishing now? Talk about your fishing. What are you doing?

27
00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,760
You've been doing this a long time, mate, haven't you? Yeah. Yeah. I've been fishing,

28
00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:19,760
carp fishing since I was 14. And how old are you now? I'm 72 now. 72. And I'm still going now.

29
00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:26,400
Still loving it. You know what I mean? You got to. Somebody said to me, if you stop,

30
00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:32,080
I've seen people who retire from their job and like 10 years later they're in the ground.

31
00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,800
So, you know what I mean? And I ain't ready yet. I'm not ready to get into the box. I don't think

32
00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:43,040
they're ready for you either, mate, to be honest. I mean, blimey. It's always lively wherever you are,

33
00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:51,280
mate. You've got to enjoy it, haven't you? I grew up with this gentleman as one of the elder figures.

34
00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:57,520
So, as a youngster coming through the carp angling ranks. A young buck. That's it. Derek Richie is

35
00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,120
going to be there. And you knew he was going to be there, or at least you knew he was coming,

36
00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,720
because you'd hear his van. He had a Citroen Bilingo van back in the day. And you'd hear it

37
00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:11,200
about three miles down the road. 2000 watts backed up with a side woofer. Well, that was important

38
00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:17,360
back then, wasn't it? Having a carp car that could carry a kit. But you had huge speakers in your van.

39
00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:23,120
I used to take my wife out in it and she'd say, oh, my back hurts, because the subs would be on

40
00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:31,440
the back of the seat. And she'd go, hey, can you listen to this SH1T? It's quite easy, really.

41
00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,800
I think it was you that started off the craze of hearing cars before you see them, with the

42
00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:43,200
old bass boot coming out. Absolutely brilliant. And at the shows as well. If you look at the shows,

43
00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:51,760
especially, what's the one now, Five Lakes. When we was over at Five Lakes. No, not Five Lakes,

44
00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:59,360
the Essex one. Essex one, yeah. Lee used to say, look, I'll give you a stand and you can do what

45
00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:06,560
you want. And I put music on the stand because I had this, as well as having the subs in the car,

46
00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:17,120
I had two speakers and they were unbelievable. They were made to listen to good sounds.

47
00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:24,240
And what we did, we did get it in the pot on the stand. And then what happened, because a lot of

48
00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:29,520
the store holders used to turn around and go, oh, that's, I've got to put up with him all fucking weekend.

49
00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:40,720
You know what I mean? He's at it and it's going, all weekend. And then all of a sudden,

50
00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:46,320
I hear on all the stands, they're getting DJs in, they're getting this one in and it's all gone out.

51
00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,640
You were 20 years ahead of them. Yeah, I was there. I was in it. Spinnin' those tunes.

52
00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:56,560
With Jan Poulter, huh? Yes. What a man. Absolute gem. What a man. Lovely, lovely.

53
00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:04,880
I had some beautiful time. Yeah, I've got to tell you this. We was at the big one up at Birmingham

54
00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:12,720
and the NEC. Right. And we got the speakers up and everything else. That was where Get It In The Pot

55
00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:19,280
originated, where we used to draw the crowds in with the tunes and everything else. Tell everybody

56
00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:23,680
what Get It In The Pot is for us, because there'd be people listening that don't know. Get It In The Pot,

57
00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:32,560
I've got this tiny little rod. Pink. And what we got is a round float like this.

58
00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:39,040
And we got a lime pot, what your line used to come in on the Boulks Walls. And what we used to do was

59
00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:46,800
put it 14 foot away from the lime where you stand and cast out and get it in the pot. Well,

60
00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,840
at the same time we're dressing them up, we're putting hats on them and glasses and probably

61
00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:56,480
giving them a hard time as they're trying to get it in. Because some people took it quite serious.

62
00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:02,160
I had a kid come in one day and he got, because if you get three in the pot, you've got to set

63
00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:08,560
a rills and he got to set a twin powers because he's the match anchor. Right. And he got to,

64
00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:18,240
he had been practicing all year to come and do this. Right. So anyway, we've done the Get It In

65
00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:23,600
The Pot and we're giving that, because they all won prizes at Lyon and you'd get all the drunks

66
00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:30,000
who were sitting in the bar coming out and going, oh, that's fucking easy. And then I'd start on them

67
00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,880
because I had the microphone and everything else there, Mike. I was running around like Madonna.

68
00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:42,480
And anyway, you had this bloke come up and he started, didn't he? And he's going, yeah, yeah,

69
00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,040
yeah. And he's got his mates here and they're all jollied up after being in the pub. So every time

70
00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:53,040
he went to shoot, I'll give him a nudge. Right. So he went, no, that's because you put me off.

71
00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:58,880
You put me off. And anyway, that was that. Well, when we used to get there in the morning,

72
00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:06,720
we used to put on not so heavy, you know, like a bit of sort of more chilly. Right. So what's

73
00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:13,920
happened? Henry's there. Do you remember Henry? Henry Gilby. Yeah. Henry Gilby's there. Right.

74
00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:20,480
And he was on the Svensons Fault Stand. Right. Because he was sponsored by them. Right. And

75
00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:30,640
at that show, Discovery and Omen Leisure was there. Right. Anyway, they've, Yann Poole was there.

76
00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:41,360
I don't think Boss Manor turned up. He still wasn't there. Anyway, we're playing the churns

77
00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:48,160
and this woman from Discovery Omen Leisure comes over and she goes, excuse me. And she went,

78
00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:53,520
we went, yes. And Yann Poole, I walked away. And Yann Poole was sorting to her and he's going,

79
00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:58,160
no, no, not having that. And while he's turned around and said to this woman, she said, can you

80
00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:04,640
turn the music down? Because we're trying to film. We need, we need time to film him and we can't

81
00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:10,640
have your music in the background. And Yann Poole was turned around and said to this woman, I can't

82
00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:17,760
do that. He's a really famous DJ. We've flown him in from Ibiza. He's getting paid fortunes to do

83
00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:24,720
this. And he went, I'll have to go and see what he says. And I'm in the booth at the back, right.

84
00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,960
And he won't see any. And he explained to me what was happening. And he said, right, you've got to

85
00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:34,640
come out. Like you're absolutely raving, right. Because she wants to turn the music off. So

86
00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:40,640
anyway, I come out and she's there with Yann Poole and he went, Derek, come over here. And I went

87
00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:47,200
over and of course he unleashed it on me. And I went, ah, I'm not having this. I've flown in,

88
00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:54,640
especially from Ibiza to do this and everything else. I really wanted a laugh. Right. So, and

89
00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:03,600
she went, he said, you can see what I'm up against here. He is top DJ. Right. Okay then,

90
00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:09,520
you've got five minutes. So he kept looking at his watch and looking over and the woman was watching

91
00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:15,920
him keep looking at his watch. And he walked over and he went, that's it. That's it. You got your

92
00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:25,680
five minutes. And she said, no, no, please, please. Anyway, we started the tunes up and that was that.

93
00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:35,360
Well, later on they were in, had an interview thing for people to do a program for Discovery.

94
00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,000
Oh yeah. Do you remember it? Yeah, I remember that. Right. And I went in and when she see me

95
00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:48,640
coming, she went, oh no, no chance. Absolutely no chance. Oh, those were the days. Hey,

96
00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,320
talking about the days, we'll come back to some of your history, but where are you fishing at the

97
00:10:54,320 --> 00:11:00,800
moment? What are you doing at the moment? Well, at the moment, I'm on Monks Pit up in Cambridge

98
00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:07,280
here. Yeah. A lot of people have said, you've caught them all, it's time to go. As they do.

99
00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:14,880
But two of the biggest ones, all you got to remember is there's four definite fifties,

100
00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:21,120
one of them could be 60. Wow. Right. And that's without all the forties and the thirties that are

101
00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:28,480
in there. But the thing is, I've had a couple of them, but there's still two more of one.

102
00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:34,400
And they're quite awkward fish to catch. They don't come out very often. Yeah. You know,

103
00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:43,600
there's one in there called the peach. That was asked out at 57 pounds. Wow. It's 57 plus.

104
00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:49,520
Right. And that hasn't been out since not this January, the January before. Right.

105
00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,640
Was that a once a year fish then? Or is it? Once, maybe twice if you're lucky. Yeah. Tricky

106
00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,240
enough, you miss the bus then it's another year, isn't it? But the thing is,

107
00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,040
you know, a lot of people talk about weather and everything else. I'll go on the full moon.

108
00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:10,880
Yeah. I know for a fact, I've seen on Monks bit, they love a full moon. Right. Right. Over the

109
00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:19,200
last couple of years, at my time of life, you're sitting there, you know, you ain't got long left

110
00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,920
because you're running out of time. Right. And you just want to be where the best and the biggest

111
00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:29,040
are. Because I'll get people say to me, Oh, why don't you come down to Malsyndica? You know,

112
00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:35,280
I'm not being horrible. I can't leave those monsters because I don't know how long I'm going

113
00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:42,560
to be out of fish for them monsters. But I had a run of fish, which was like two years ago, was

114
00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:54,480
absolutely epic in my terms. I started the year I'd have blind, fully scowled ghost. All right.

115
00:12:54,480 --> 00:13:00,320
That is unbelievable. It's got like two little sticks. I don't know, must have a good sniffer

116
00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:09,120
because it's huge. Right. Because that's last out last year, 4712. Then I had a 4712,

117
00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:24,960
then I had a 44. And that started the run. And what happened, I had a couple of fish out this swim

118
00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:32,640
earlier on in this in the in the season, because this was sort of springtime. And I had a couple

119
00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,600
of hook pulls and I was going, you know, when you're the lead drops, and I run like the clappers,

120
00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:42,720
and you're thinking that that hook's going to fall out because they're running so fast with it.

121
00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,880
And I put a four ounce lead on, so it's got to do the business and slam it in. And I lost a

122
00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:54,400
couple of fish. And then I thought, oh, no, I've got to change some something about here because

123
00:13:54,400 --> 00:14:00,400
I'm not because I very rarely lost a fish. You know, every time I got to take I'd land it.

124
00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:06,480
Anyway, much better with rigs and everything else. And then somebody went into that swim. I was

125
00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:13,520
targeting and everyone was fishing zigs. I was fishing on the bottom and I was getting two or

126
00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:21,200
three fish every visit. And I've gone down there, big northerly winds blowing straight down the end

127
00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:29,360
of the lake into the car park. And I thought I could go the other side and get onto my spot from

128
00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:36,480
the opposite side of the lake. But this wind was like the undertow was unbelievable. Right. Well,

129
00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:44,320
I woke up in the morning and looked out over the over the lake and the wind dropped back quite a

130
00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:50,080
bit by then. And when I looked down the shallow end, there's a place called the Point. And I looked

131
00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:56,640
and I saw these dunkaroos going. They was, ah, I know, five o'clock in the morning, I just

132
00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:03,520
unzipped because I didn't know who was coming down. And I went and I got in there and Mick

133
00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:10,400
that runs the place turns up. He comes in the afternoon. We're standing there. I had a single

134
00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:17,840
bleep on my right hand rod. And I said to him, that's one, picked it up, wound down. He come in,

135
00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:24,480
I said, oh no, it's one of your stockies. Rolled it all in, slipped it under it. Bloody hell,

136
00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:30,480
it's a fish called the Northern India, 41 and a half. And I thought, bloody hell, that's good.

137
00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:37,600
Right. So we put, I put that one back and that's one of the most sought after in there. Quite a few

138
00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:45,040
people want, cause it's got some nice scales on it and everything. Anyway, um, about seven o'clock

139
00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:52,000
in the evening, I had to take and I had to go out in a boat for that one. Uh, cause it's like where

140
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:59,120
I'm fishing is full of kelp and you never seen anything like kelp. People go, oh weed, kelp is

141
00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:06,800
deadly. It grows in strands coming up and it looks like, um, where it grows like cabbages and, and

142
00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:13,440
like it's got these big leaves on it. And it's like really, really rough. Um, anyway, I'm out in the

143
00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:22,480
boat and I've netted this one and that was another good fish caught 43 pound. Um, so I'm buzzing,

144
00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:29,440
you know what I mean? The tunes are on and I'm banging. Right. So in the end, I went to bed in

145
00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:37,040
middle of the night. I've had another take and that's a 36. All right. And I thought, crikey

146
00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:47,280
O'Reilly, I'm rocking here. So, um, that was that. And, um, I was over the moon again, that

147
00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:58,640
especially, you know, two forties and a 31 in, in probably six hours. And then, um, I sit, I was, um,

148
00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:04,720
sound though in the morning and it was just getting right on night and my left hand rod, I've moved

149
00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:13,840
it out into the deeper water. Um, I had a, I just flew off. It went on meltdown. My rod was bouncing

150
00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:21,280
up and down as it was, as it was roaring off and I hit it and I just kept thinking, um,

151
00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,360
don't come off, don't come off. Cause that was like the ones I was getting up the other end.

152
00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:33,920
But what I've done is I've gone off of the rig I was using and I used the noodle on that one.

153
00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:40,960
Right. Cause I knew it was clear out there. Uh, and like the yoke hold anyway, I'm playing this

154
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:53,440
fish and, uh, I thought, quote, this is a cracker. And, uh, anyway, um, got it in, um, 45 pound and

155
00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:59,760
it was a fish called Felix. All right. And it's quite a desirable fish as well. So I thought,

156
00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:06,800
oh, this is brilliant. So anyway, I finished that trip, come back the next week, got in there again

157
00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:16,080
and I had a spot rocking and, uh, I've had, um, a take in the middle of the day. Um,

158
00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:25,200
well about 11 o'clock, something like that. And, um, it was a fish that I did my PB with again,

159
00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:34,080
cause I caught porky. That was my PB on there, but that died. All right. And, um, I had two misses

160
00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:41,520
at 51 12. Um, and I was jumping up and down like lunatic when I got that and the boys come around

161
00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:47,360
because it's a nice boys out there. We all have a good crack if you get a big one. Anyway, I did

162
00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:56,320
that and I forgot to tell you that the season before I done my PB common. I had a fish called

163
00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:08,000
Juts common at 48 pounds. So I've done a PB common. I've done a PB ghostie. All right. I've done a PB

164
00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:14,080
mirror. All right. And he just, I just couldn't believe it. It was just getting better and better.

165
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:25,120
Well, to top it up, I had had nine 40s over the next, uh, bit of time. And, uh, I had, um,

166
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:33,200
I had another fiscal Gabrielle that was 48 pound poor old things dead now. But, um, that was that,

167
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:41,600
but what happened, I got down there in the winter, uh, and it was on the full moon and you know,

168
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:49,840
I was full moons on there are the nuts. Why do you think that is? It's then big and just go for it.

169
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,160
But why? Cause I've, I've speak to loads of people about moon phases and things like this. And some

170
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,920
people say, oh yeah, you've got to go on a full moon. Some people say it's a new moon. Some people

171
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:04,320
say it's halfway between. What is it? In there, they just get off on it. Yeah. You know, is it

172
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:10,000
because it's clear water, do you think, or is it because, you know, they're day feeders or it's,

173
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,640
it's, if you look at the water over there, when they're putting the dying, because they put dying

174
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:23,120
and it's like fishing on Southend seafront with a blue sea in front of you. Um, so it's not blue at

175
00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:27,440
Southend. I don't know if you've been down there recently. It's like brown and muddy. It's the

176
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:37,440
wrong type of mud as well. But they just love it. And I sussed this out over that. The thing is when

177
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:45,040
you're fishing and it's happy days, all right. And you're bagging up, your brain's working over time.

178
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:50,640
I don't stop working overtime. People say, oh yeah, he goes down the lake. But I tell you,

179
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:56,960
you ask the boys on Monks, I'll graph for my fish. I don't, although the children's having a good

180
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:06,000
jolly up, it has to be perfect when we're doing what we're doing. So, um, I've gone down there in

181
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:13,280
the November and, uh, the first thing I wanted the fish, there was a swim in the corner called

182
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,520
the swamp. All right. Couldn't get in there. Someone was in there. I thought, right, I'll go

183
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:22,240
in the Christmas trees. Couldn't get in there. Someone was in there. And these people are turning

184
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:30,000
up and I'm watching all my options disappear one by one. Right. And then I get, and then I thought,

185
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:36,560
right, I'll go in the underpass. That went eight o'clock in the evening. And I just thought, oh no.

186
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,840
And I got down there and there's a guy down there, Dan Stacey, spoke to him and he said to me,

187
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,800
I've seen a few fish down on the point. And I thought, oh, all right. Then I'll go down on the

188
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:53,680
point. So I got down on the point and what had happened, they'd opened the stockpond up and let

189
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:59,760
all the fish out. So you got all these little ones flying about everywhere. And because it's

190
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:07,120
winter, you don't mind getting, I don't care. This is a fish. I've caught 60 pound fish out in France,

191
00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:14,560
come back and caught a 10 pounder. You know what I mean? It's a bite. It's the bite. For me, it's

192
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:19,200
the bite. I was going to say that because you've been around a very long time. I mean, you know,

193
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,800
you were carp fishing in the seventies. Yeah. So you, I'd go as far as to say you're one of the

194
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,760
early pioneers, certainly around Essex as well. You were one of the very early pioneers in carp

195
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:35,760
fishing. What's kept your interest in it for that longer period of time? Because if you think about

196
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,920
it, there's not many people that have been carp fishing longer than you. No. Is there? No. Not

197
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:45,040
really. You know where you are. You're absolutely one of our older stage partners. I started carp fishing,

198
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:53,840
I think when I was 12, 13. Yeah. And I went to a place in Raleigh called Popan Smiths to get a fishing

199
00:22:53,840 --> 00:23:02,400
rod. And because we weren't that wealthy, the lad down the road, he went in and got Richard

200
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:10,640
brought a mark for glass because he bought out cane and then he bought out glass. Yeah. All right.

201
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,640
And he got a glass carp rod and I wanted one. And my mum said, you can't have one. And I ended up

202
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:26,080
with a Chapman three piece. Yeah. Right. That had a cork handle into there and two sections up. And I

203
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:41,360
use that. And it's weird because people talk about different things about catching on certain baits

204
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:49,120
and everything else. I used to go to Popan Smiths, pay half a crown for a gallon of maggots,

205
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:55,120
go down this little place called Wright's nursery. It belongs to the Raleigh Angling Club. It's a

206
00:23:55,120 --> 00:24:07,040
square hole in the ground. And tip half me bucket down there. And I'd fish with a size 14 little

207
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:16,800
forged hook or the Drenham ones. Yeah. Because they did the yellow ones, the silver ones. No,

208
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:23,360
not silver. Super specialist. Super specialist. Yeah. We used them and a little sunshot clipped

209
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:29,600
on the line. And there was all these bushes that sort of look like that, that go into the water.

210
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:35,680
You know, the spiky one. Yeah. Them. And they hung over the edge and all you do is just tip it down

211
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:42,880
the edge. And then put two rods either side of the bush with a lump of silver paper and a real

212
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:49,200
on churn. And you'd be sitting there and all of a sudden it'd go, and the old handle would go around.

213
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:57,200
And you had these rubber rests, FGCO rubber rests that were on the front. And what used to happen,

214
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,600
when they got old, one of the ears had fallen off and that'd be it. You'd have to go and buy another

215
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:09,520
one. But they had rubber heads. Didn't have bite alarms. But when I did get a bite alarm, it was

216
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:18,320
like a blue bottle in a jam jar when it used to go off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you got to take.

217
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:24,880
And then sort of from that time, that was Kevin Nash come on to that lake. And

218
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:36,240
and I was 16, I think, by the time Kevin come on. And I'll never forget it. One day he come on

219
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:46,080
and he got a bite because that a lot of us was using dog food then. Yeah. But and he got a take

220
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:52,320
and he had the rod down and I walked over and said, son, you want to pick that rod up and make it bend

221
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:58,160
not point it at the fish. Let it rod up and the fish come off. And I thought, oh no.

222
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,760
And that was the start of a very happy relationship. Well, I don't. And then

223
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:09,360
then he accused me of running over his bike. What was all that about then? Oh, I ain't got clue.

224
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:15,520
He just don't like me. What can I say? You know, some people like me, some people don't. There's

225
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,080
nothing you can do about it. You know. Well, you're definitely a character. Have you found that,

226
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,720
you know, through the course of the years? Because again, if you've been car fishing since the 60s,

227
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:32,400
that is the thick end of what 60 years now. I've used potatoes. Yeah. I tell you what I found out

228
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:38,800
about sweet corn and I thought I'd revolutionize car fishing because I knew it worked in my lake.

229
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:45,040
Yeah. Right. Because what happened, they used to have the matches and because I was a junior,

230
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:54,160
I used to take part in the senior matches. And what happened, the matches were starting and you

231
00:26:54,160 --> 00:27:05,200
had, there was a guy called Archie Rand and Cyril Redbond. And Cyril Redbond owned a fish shop.

232
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:11,120
Oh man, he stunk a fish. Right, Parappa stunk a fish. I don't think he had a wash before he

233
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:17,040
come fishing. And you could smell him along the bank. You know what I mean? I used to sit there

234
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:24,080
with my little mates, Guy Steve Yussie and Guy Barry Itchins. We used to sit there on this lake

235
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:32,640
of one day, Steve Yussie, he come down the lake and you know them, the old bedchairs that you had?

236
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:40,800
Yeah. The old Argos ones. Yeah. He had one of them. Right. And he sat up in the swim just

237
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:47,200
along from me and he was sitting there and he had a wasp nest right beside him. And he's gone,

238
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,560
oh these bloody wasps. And he's shouting and hollering and all of a sudden the front leg went

239
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,520
and it launched him into the lake. It was like he was on the launch pad. And he just went straight

240
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:04,560
down the bank and he was in there. Oh, it was so funny. Oh dear. And you remember the FGCode

241
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:11,360
Boxing? One day Barry Itchins was walking on the lake and he walked down, went past the pad swim

242
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:17,680
and fell in with his tackle box. With his box on. With his box on his shoulder. And me and Steve

243
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:23,120
were just standing there absolutely f***ing ourselves. You know, like we're 14, 15 years old.

244
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:27,200
Yeah. Having done this for such a long period of time, what do you think is the most unusual bait

245
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,760
that you've caught on? Let's do a few history things now. So what's the weirdest thing you've

246
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:40,400
caught on? The weirdest thing? I've used cockles. Yeah. But the only trouble you get is belated

247
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:47,840
nills when you use them. Yeah. But, oh I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, when I was over Lake

248
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:56,960
Meadows I was using like jelly tots. Yes. And I caught quite a few on them. But the only thing

249
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:03,920
was they just disappeared, didn't they? Yeah, they just smelt with the sugar, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah.

250
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:11,840
So let's look back again. Let me tell you one thing about you saying about catching things.

251
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:20,640
I went after the assets cart record. I was out in Israel, come back from Israel with my missus

252
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:27,200
and we were living with them in North and I'd be great with them and I left. I said my missus,

253
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:36,080
I'm leaving them, we split up. Right. And I went straight into work because I had a job working

254
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:42,240
nights. I said, you can poke this where the sun don't shine. And it was a place in Eastwood where

255
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:48,800
I live. And I went straight up to Camping in General and I bought a big canvas sheet. All right.

256
00:29:48,800 --> 00:30:00,240
I had a nice bed and I had a clube of carpets in Jim Gibbonson, and four tents. All right. So I've

257
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:09,440
gone down to a place called Doggits. Yeah. All right. And I'm camping, I'm there. All right.

258
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:16,960
You're now homeless. Yeah. Living under a canvas. Yeah. Living on an island. Get it right. On an

259
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:23,120
island. Because what had happened a couple of weeks before, I had a 28 pound common out there,

260
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:29,440
which was huge. When was this? 1976. Right. Yeah. All right. And because I'd had that,

261
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:38,000
I'd seen this other one and like my mind, I got the mist. I got the, you know, the gray mist come

262
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,520
and that was it. I just wanted to go carp fishing. I don't care about anything else. I just want to

263
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:49,680
go carp fishing. And I kept thinking, I'd see people like Rod Hutchinson in the paper and think,

264
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:55,440
he goes all the time. That's what I want to do. I want to go fishing all the time. Anyway,

265
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:08,080
I've gone down there and I've gotten the island and I'm there. I had another fish, a 22 pound common,

266
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:14,400
and I was using sweet corn. I was using it like it was going out of fashion. I must have used

267
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,920
50, 60 tins. It was running there like that, bloody monsters. And they kept picking the

268
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:28,640
corn up all the time. So anyway, it's come. The day's come. Two kids came down on the Sunday

269
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:35,600
and they turned around and said to me, we see you tomorrow. I said, no, you won't. I'm going to

270
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,640
catch it today. And they went, oh yeah. And I said, yeah. And they bought me a Sunday lunch.

271
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,600
Their mum had said, the poor, the poor homeless bloke on the island. And there you go. So she's

272
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:55,760
given it to me. And I've had that. And anyway, in that afternoon, I watched it go around the lake.

273
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:02,400
And then the water was only about that deep. And it's scary because you've got these big

274
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:08,240
fish in there and the water's, because it's 76 a year in a drought. And year of the killer ladybirds

275
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:17,360
because they used to bite you. Anyway, it's come. I've watched it go round and round and round.

276
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,000
And then all of a sudden it started bubbling up. And then my bit of silver paper's gone

277
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:32,320
really slow. There you go. Got it in. 36 pound common. Well, I phoned Jimmy from Jimmy's Lake

278
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,360
and he come and got it. Cause I said to him, this is a joke that's going to dry out the lake soon.

279
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:46,080
And he took it away. So I held my hands up. I moved it. But it was something then, if you know now,

280
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,480
what you knew then, you wouldn't be moving them about. But the chances are, like you say, 76,

281
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,760
if it was only a couple of feet deep then anyway, there is a good chance it wouldn't be it.

282
00:32:53,760 --> 00:33:02,880
Well, and then what happened, I went over to Kent and fished with Archie. Archie was over there.

283
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:10,960
And I walked on and I saw him in the carp angling circles. They knew I'd moved that fish and there

284
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:17,360
were some good vibes going around. But I sat there with Rod and I said to him, the only trouble

285
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,080
in this world, I get a problem getting my sweet corn out. And he turned around and he goes,

286
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:27,440
here I can give me a cut of bolt. I lost that cut of bolt about two years later. And it was,

287
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:34,320
I was gutted that I'd lost it because I could get baits out quite a long way. And

288
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:43,040
he introduced me to Black Eyed Beans. And he said to me, I want to go and fish Brooklyn's,

289
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:49,680
but I can't because I get too many people around me down there and I don't like it.

290
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,880
That Johnson, he was out on the island. So yeah, we're waiters to get out to him.

291
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,720
And he explained to me about the Black Eyes and it was at the same time as he had told the

292
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:11,440
Gibbonsons. Anyway, I've come back to Essex. I've scoured all the shops, all the Indian shops,

293
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:18,240
shops, because he said to me as well, kidneys. So I'm looking for bags of Black Eyes and bags

294
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:23,840
of kidneys. And I've got all this tomato soup as well because he said to me, put it in the soup

295
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:32,640
and I'll go boy, you'll be rocking. So I've done all that, gone back home, got all the food and

296
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:38,640
gone over to Brooklyn's. I've started piling these Black Eyed Beans and didn't catch nothing. And I

297
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:45,120
kept seeing them. In the Slaughterhouse swim, there's a bar runs off the end of it and I see

298
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:51,200
them off of there. Well, you've got to remember is I'm only using £8 an iron. I'm using £8

299
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:57,840
seal cast, right? Because I thought they could see it. I thought they could see the iron and

300
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,080
they wouldn't pick it up because they could see all these things. We just keep thinking because

301
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:12,320
you don't know. Anyway, I moved and that evening I went down the back of the Slaughterhouse Bay

302
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:18,000
because people used to feed ducks and there was a bread called Mother's Pride. And you see all

303
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,680
these Mother's Pride bags all floating around in the edge where people, where they've fed all the

304
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:29,040
ducks all day and the ducks couldn't be tossed to eat the bread anymore and they just leave here.

305
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,200
And it all blow into the corner and when it got dark all you could hear was

306
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:42,480
these carp slurping away at it. You know, that's where Cloopers is in the corner having it. So I

307
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:50,240
went down there and then nicked a couple of fish out of there and then I'd already freighted up

308
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:55,520
with these Black Eyed Beans because that's what he told me to do. It's two blokes from South End on

309
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,680
the other side and all the people was all fishing towards these pads in the corner and where they're

310
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:08,720
fishing towards these pads all you can see is ledgered crust on the surface. And every so often

311
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:14,320
a seagull will come down and go whack and nick it and you see them running to their rods.

312
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:21,600
And I'd like to see them. There must have been, I don't know, six, eight floating crusts out there

313
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,400
all anchored out there and I've got him in these Black Eyes. Well it started to rock.

314
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:34,640
A young lad come down and see me and I was trying not to let people see what I was doing

315
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:41,600
because it was all secret squirrels, weren't it? And I've got these buckets of beans. I've got this

316
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:50,880
twin burner with two saucepans on it boiling up these Black Eyed Beans. I've got soup everywhere

317
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,160
and I'm doing it under umbrella so people walking past can't see what I'm doing.

318
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:03,600
Anyway the guys from South End, they come round and caught me red handed with me Black Eyed Beans

319
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:09,760
and they went oh yeah and I went hands up. Anyway they come back and went to a place like Meadows.

320
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:18,960
Right, which is just around the corner from here and freighted it up. Anyway I finished up on there.

321
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:27,600
I had over 100 takes and I went to see Lee Jackson. That was the first time I met Lee and I said to him

322
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:36,560
caught I've had a right old palaver over there. I said I keep getting cut off. Anyway I'd had

323
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:44,560
I reckon 100 takes in about two weeks. And I had them rocking. The little lad I said to him who

324
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:52,000
come round I said you can use one rod. You can't use any more one rod. Anyway we're sitting there

325
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:59,040
and I'd had a take on my left hand rod and my silver paper spun round jammed up in the butt

326
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:06,160
ring and the rod went. Yeah it was gone and I could see it in the moonlight. I came across the

327
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:13,280
eye and I'm kicking his bed to it going get up get up. I'm just I'm just my rod's gone. It's gone in.

328
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:19,440
So I wound one of my rods in, cast it out and got it back in. Anyway I caught the fish and I think

329
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:26,560
it was a 17 pounder. But somebody said to me every time you get a bite in there you've got one in

330
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:34,240
three chance of a 20. And I didn't get any. I just got I must have had 60 fish and I didn't get 120

331
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:41,040
out of it. And that was you know. That's down to bait do you think? Well I just think it's I was

332
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:48,640
just unlucky. Right. You know. Anyway I come back from there and them guys who had baited like

333
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:54,800
meadows with the black-eyed bees I went over there and started emptying that. All right. Then I moved

334
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:03,200
from there to aquatels and when I was on aquatels I went back to Corn on aquatels and I'd cut a

335
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,720
nice fish out of aquatels. Yeah. And then I moved down to somewhere else where I use kidneys but

336
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,360
they didn't say. Now what's good are they? I've got so. You ever use chickpeas?

337
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,240
Pardon? You ever use chickpeas? Oh I don't. Because they were good. Well Lake Meadows

338
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:26,080
all right they um I went back there a few years later. I was a carpet fitter then and I had my

339
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:35,680
brother with me. And what happened? Observing. You've got to observe you know. So we gone down

340
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:43,520
there and I've seen this bloke put luncheon mate on, cost it out about four or five odd licks and go

341
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:53,920
bigger. A bigger. Well at the time on Lake Meadows everyone said chickpeas are blown.

342
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,840
Yeah. All right. And I watched people baking up and because you didn't have spombs and you had

343
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:07,680
spods and things but um you know the gardener ones that sort of just started. Yeah. All right.

344
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:13,200
I was watching and when the people was putting their spombs out there was all spods filled down

345
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,400
the edge. Yeah. And right and what I used to do was I used to turn up on a Sunday and I'd say to

346
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:24,640
my brother do not cast out all right until it gets dark. Yeah. All right. Because all he was

347
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:32,080
doing was flicking it on the spods bit. Yeah. And then just put in one patchful of uh chickpeas

348
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:39,120
around it. Yeah. And we just slaughtered it. And at that time I was I'd gone from the tins of soup

349
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:47,520
to cuppa soups. Yeah. All right. But the only problem I had was uh the cuppa soups when you uh

350
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,640
when you put them in with the black-eyed beans and you're baking up you get it all over you

351
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:58,160
and what happens you get hold of your reel and go cast out and you put it all over your reel. Yeah.

352
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:04,400
And it was stripping the paint off of my reels because I was putting so much soup in with them

353
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,080
and knocking them up. Yeah. It's amazing some of the old methods like some of them have come back

354
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,400
around again you know a lot of people are on sweetcorn again now. Yeah. You know it's like oh yeah

355
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,640
people the younger generation anglers sometimes looking at these guys now using sweetcorn thinking

356
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,640
it's a new edge. Yeah. You know it's probably one of the oldest edges out there isn't it? Yeah. It's

357
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,680
everything cyclical. What um thinking about inventions and things like that what what have

358
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,760
you seen that's come through again that that you saw ages ago that people are reinventing now?

359
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:37,600
Do you know one on the let me just tell you all right when I was on the manor all right um we

360
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:49,360
baited that up and uh I used probably I well I don't know I think that was 1994 when the

361
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:58,560
combi rig come out. I was at County Anglin and um main line used to main link. Yeah. Right and what

362
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:05,360
me and my mate Lenny uh we made court ball pop-ups because uh the main line pop-ups wouldn't stay up

363
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:11,680
we called them pop downs not pop-ups. Yeah. So we did them with cork balls you know obviously that's

364
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:17,200
changed now because it's so bloody boring you need a frown. It's the other way now. Just to throw the

365
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:29,920
pop-up down um anyway um with the uh cork balls and the it's an observation all right we made these

366
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:38,800
strange cork ball pop-ups um and fish with main link which was the braid tied to amnesia with

367
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:47,120
a leader knot and a loop on the end but the only thing that I found was sometimes when you cast them

368
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:55,040
out they tangle. Yeah. Right and it wasn't until a bit later that I realized that when you're using

369
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:05,680
stockings PVA stocking. Yeah. Not wearing them um PVA stockings um you you can stop the tangle by

370
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:12,800
putting the bag on. Yeah. Simple as but you didn't know then you know I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah. I

371
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:19,920
didn't know it was only the companies because I was with Gardner right then and Gardner used I used

372
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:28,640
their solid bags and everything else from Gardner. Yeah. Um before well that was was his home Saddam

373
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:38,800
Hussein time weren't it? Yeah that was 90 wasn't it? I was I remember doing the feature. Bagged that bunker buster. Yeah see it in that big bunker buster. Yeah. I couldn't lift it up my rod wouldn't

374
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,280
bloody use it. Like they're so effective you don't see anyone doing it now they all want to get small

375
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,440
ones casting as far as you can but literally you know it's all bunker buster. I'll tell you I'll tell you

376
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,320
well when you when you talk about that though. Yeah. I did a little tweak the other day. Yeah.

377
00:43:52,320 --> 00:44:00,960
All right because everybody knows I like fishing big whopper bags. Yeah. And um a couple of times

378
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:07,600
I've been done. Yeah. On them big bags so what I did last week I put one on the size of a golf ball.

379
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Right. All right. Yeah. And got taken straight away you know it didn't do me on that because I think

380
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:20,240
sometimes when you put them big bags out. Yeah. They're not singling like they are a small one small

381
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:25,760
mouthful. Yeah. All right and when they come in on that big bag they're going

382
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:35,200
but when they see that with your little lollipop sitting there they just go straight onto it.

383
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:43,520
Yeah. Yeah. Now that's it. And you know things things like that. What's the biggest edge you think you've ever seen?

384
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,320
The biggest edge I think

385
00:44:51,360 --> 00:45:00,240
I can't say years in my life. Right. Right. Blimey. You know because I couldn't believe it you know

386
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:08,640
in the when the grains come out it was like a wand. Yeah. Yeah. Because I said to Kev

387
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:15,360
I went to places where there was breeding tension I went oh can't we do something about this bait.

388
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:22,640
I said he said no everything wants to eat it. Everything eats it. And that's it. It was when I saw that

389
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:29,840
when when because what happened I was with a group of guys called Mission Baits. My mate Carball was

390
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:39,040
making them and everything else and it was all fishmeal. And you know we were using

391
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:48,960
well what happened Johnny Meacham I was going to Waverley Valley to fish and when I was on the

392
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,800
when I was on going round there I went round to John's and he had all these Rainer's Favors.

393
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:00,160
He had a cupboard full of them. All right. And he went give me one and he went you got you make some

394
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:06,640
boilies out of that. He goes that's peanut and that's what they tore Savvy apart on. All right.

395
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:14,960
And I said oh right well make some of them. And then I got some of his bottles and I got two of

396
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,080
them and put them together and started smelling them and everything. And I found cream soda

397
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:28,800
and passion fruit. So that was the born of creamy passion. Yeah. Right. And that was unbelievable

398
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:34,320
when we felt because we I went up there first time they'd seen it and I caught some of the biggest

399
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:45,680
fish out of the lake at the time. You know it was it was just mad just mad. And I'd say and then I

400
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:52,640
and then I left there and went to Main Line and when I went to Main Line well the rest is history.

401
00:46:52,640 --> 00:47:01,280
Yeah. You can see where they are. But that Grange I took it everywhere and it's just confidence.

402
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:07,360
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Confidence is a huge part isn't it. But look I'd like to talk to you now about

403
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:12,480
some of the fun stuff that you've got up to through the years because like people these days they

404
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,760
might not especially the younger guys they might not necessarily know your your long term history

405
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,960
how long you've been around fishing since the 70s but they do see this weird fella sitting in a

406
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:30,960
bivvy with a load of flashing lights going on. Well I love my music. Yeah. You know that it all

407
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:37,360
started on the Manor because we used to have some and I was using cassette then. Yeah. And it was

408
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:43,440
all like cafe de mer but then all of a sudden I got hardcore and I just loved it. You know

409
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:55,520
from my 50th birthday I went over to Amsterdam. Yeah. And obviously I went in a few cafes there

410
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:10,720
and when I was 60 I went to Ibiza to see Tiesto. Yeah. But yeah it's something people can't

411
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:17,920
understand. A lot of people love it but there's some people who don't. So where did the wig and

412
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,920
the flashing lights come from then? Because music is one thing because I remember you back in the

413
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,240
day hearing the van coming and the music and like everybody would be just settling down for a nice

414
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:30,720
evening you got your rods on the spots and then suddenly the other side of the lake the tunes had

415
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:35,360
cranked up. Yeah. And it was like some people liked it some people didn't but it was there and

416
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:41,440
everybody lived with it. Let me tell you you just reminded me of something. I was at a fishing down

417
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:48,160
at Chillum. Yeah. Tim Posey was around the side around the opposite side on the right hand bank

418
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:54,320
as you look up the lake. I was in the car park I was in that and the pump was going we were doing

419
00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:02,800
really well. And what happened I've got my van and I pulled it in to behind the swim so it was looking

420
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:10,160
right down the lake and I opened all the doors up on the motor and I thought what's he saying I can't

421
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:19,120
get no sleep. And Tim Posey at the beginning of it you hear a big fan and it goes

422
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:30,320
anyway Tim Posey sitting with his cloak and he went I didn't realize he was that close to London.

423
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:39,040
He cracked me up when I heard that. Where did the lights come from then when was that the addition?

424
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:45,440
I just I sat him up in a bivvy because in the winter it gets proper lonely you're sitting in

425
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,600
your bivvy so you've got to find something to do. When I run the manor I used to get up and walk

426
00:49:51,600 --> 00:50:01,200
around the lake a few times and do one night I did one crazy thing because the M25

427
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:12,320
yeah the M25 is just over the over the fields. And what happened I got some black bean banks

428
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:22,000
and I do a smiley face and I had a pump up light a petrol light and I put it in the back of it and

429
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:28,000
walk around the other side of the lake and when I looked across all I could see was this big two eyes

430
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:35,520
and a smiley face and I'm 100 percent certain people on the motorway could see that in the

431
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:41,120
field and they're driving along in the pitch black and they see a big smiley face. I did all

432
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:51,200
sorts of things over there. When a friend of mine Mr Willis and Carbould it's my 25th wedding

433
00:50:51,200 --> 00:51:03,440
anniversary right and what happened I got down the lake and they've got a 120 shot repeater

434
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:10,320
firework and they put it in my swim and light it and because they're already there I've come from

435
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:16,800
work. Mitch Smith was there as well right and he was in the swim just up for me he had a few

436
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:23,440
fireworks anyway Carbould's gone off to his swim and he's crashed out and this is like seven o'clock

437
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:30,640
in the evening eight o'clock in the evening so we got a firework out that was like Saturday night at

438
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:39,440
London Play and we've aimed it over the top of his movie and he's gone and all the lights everything

439
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,960
we got around there and he's when we get there he's like this he's got one leg on the bed chair one

440
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:51,040
leg off the bed chair and I said what you waiting on that Carbould he went what what he was out of

441
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:56,400
it all right anyway he said look the pizza's coming in a minute so he made our way down to

442
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:03,280
the car park Mr Willis has gone in the car see all right and as it's you know like one of them

443
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:11,040
port of cars is with a cage around the top of it and Mitch has got these you know them little

444
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:19,840
rockets that um you get that used to go and they go pop yeah right then you put them in like a

445
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:26,640
barrow tube he's put it in there Mitch and it's gone over the top of it I went no you got the

446
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:32,800
trajectory all wrong there pull it down a bit and they get hold of it pull it down he's in the car

447
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:41,600
see all right it's hit the screen it's gone and all the smokes coming off of it all right so

448
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,320
it's filling the cars here and he's come running out the door all right and he's gone you

449
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:55,680
oh don't it was just mad and them two kept on and on and on at me we want to get the two boats and

450
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:03,440
we want to tie them up on the uh pump in the middle of the lake and we'll open a bottle of

451
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:09,360
champagne because it's your 25th wedding anniversary no you mustn't there's other people here fishing

452
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:16,880
up i stay in the morning later oh in the night at four o'clock i catch a 25 pounder on my 25th

453
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:24,240
wedding anniversary job done right they turn up in the morning two boats bottle of champagne

454
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:33,920
and uh one of them jamaican woodbines anyway they say off we go right so we go out and i'll put the

455
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:42,240
tunes on the pump and now Mitch puts his head out and you know how big he is right he puts his head

456
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:50,080
out and he goes what are you doing out there i said we're just having a party and he went what

457
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:56,640
at eight o'clock in the morning and he got what happened i like peanuts all right so they've

458
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:02,000
bought some peanuts bag of peanuts so i'll start eating them and then we start flicking them in the

459
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:08,400
water don't we we're having races see how quickly they go down right so we're having it right they're

460
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:15,440
going down and la la la and Mitch goes i've got a bait out there anyway i said don't worry about it

461
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:21,920
willis goes i need a pee i said you have to go on the pump he stood on the pump and we

462
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:27,840
pulled the boat away and left him on the pump and he's going come on guys come on guys let me back

463
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:34,160
he said he's getting smaller on it i said whatever you do don't knock the speakers off of the pump

464
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:41,440
and he's standing there and in the end we got to him and then Mitch Smith's got a take

465
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:48,560
away and we could hear it right and he's run out to his rods and fell flat on his back all right

466
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:54,160
and you know how big he is and it was like it was a shockwave went across the lake because he hit

467
00:54:54,160 --> 00:55:02,400
the floor all right and uh what uh one of them mr willis he turned around and he said should we

468
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:08,880
go and give him a hand and i went no don't bother him and he just left it there and let him get on

469
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,520
with it well yeah things have changed a lot now these days what do you think of the modern carp

470
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:22,960
scene oh yes it's just how it's gone i can't believe how much crumpy there is in here

471
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:31,440
every time i look at my picture there's all these fans going hey look at this

472
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,680
well it's been like you know there's a lot of fisheries now aren't there's a lot of places

473
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:43,840
to go there's a lot of crump in and oh i tell you what if i if i went fishing and there was

474
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:53,920
crumping like that next to me i don't think i'll be doing much fishing right moving moving very

475
00:55:53,920 --> 00:56:03,680
swiftly on yeah it's it's it's good i think corder um have done really well they've they've brought it

476
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:12,080
to more people like i've got a 89 year old neighbor all right because i live on uh over 55

477
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:18,320
complex yeah i've got an 89 year she sits and watches it and she loves it and i'll turn around

478
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:24,640
and said so you see that little tommy love yeah i'll talk with him all he knows yeah fair play

479
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,800
you as far as entertainment goes you've been right at the forefront of entertainment all the

480
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,600
way through you know pushing things pushing boundaries for a start but some of the shows

481
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:40,640
that you've done like the carp society show oh yeah and and dressing up as don corleone as well

482
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:46,400
and singing you know there's there's been some real highlights oh yeah yeah i remember the first

483
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:56,720
one the first one because i went what would happen i'll say kev i want to do a show and he goes how

484
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:03,200
how much that was all he was interested in how much it was going to cost because we took the

485
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:10,400
shows on the road we went up to leeds right we've gone to leeds uh andy murray's region yeah right

486
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:17,200
and he used to work at a castle or something it's a hotel chef yeah yeah when he was there

487
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:24,560
and uh we've all gone up it's kev night it's mitch smith there's my mate uh danny larue and

488
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:29,040
a couple of the others and we're all in the motor and we're going up there for a jolly up

489
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:36,720
aren't we and i had that that big uh the amphibian that my mate lem made uh i had that with me

490
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:46,640
and anyway we turned up at this place and uh when we got there um we had to go to this hall and

491
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:54,080
i said when we got there andy murray didn't know what to expect and and we're in this hall and i'm

492
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:59,520
going right you've got to come over there towards the stage and you've got to come from there over

493
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:05,120
towards the stage right and then what we did to get a fish out and i've got scaffold john with me

494
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:11,920
right and scaffold john has bought a vicar's outfit he's got a vicar's outfit and he's got teeth like

495
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:19,840
dick hamry all right so what we did we did the show and in the second half we had this all set

496
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:28,960
up so what's happened um i said i want to get come up out of a coffin and he went what and i went

497
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:35,200
yeah i'll come up out of a coffin and we'll have john here going raise the door and raise the door

498
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:42,480
and everything else and uh they were they were doing a thing for a pantomime or something there

499
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:49,920
and so mitch neff got his tools out all right and we went we're we're cold as either here

500
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:57,120
made a coffin and what we did we got black bib bags and put it put it all around it and then got

501
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:05,120
some tape white tape and put a cross on the side of it all right and uh anyway it was like music

502
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:13,840
like men in black right and um it's it's playing now what you gotta remember is i'm i'm beyond the

503
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,640
coffin because the coffin's up here we got it on a couple of trestles and everything and it's all

504
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:26,400
blocked off so people can't see and i'm gonna come up with this uh with the amphibian this massive

505
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:37,120
great big amphibian right and uh i've got strobe light and i and when i when they he he's scaffold

506
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:43,360
john's standing there like dick emery with the the vicar's outfit going raise the door raise the

507
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:50,880
door and mitch and danny are coming up the aisles all right they've got white shirts black ties black

508
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:58,000
trousers and they're both wearing sunglasses they come up onto the stage and scalf john goes raise

509
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:05,600
the door raise the door and all of a sudden i flick the strobe light on danny can't see where he's

510
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:11,680
going because he's got the sunglasses on tilts the sunglasses down i'm blinding with the strobes and

511
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:20,320
he falls off the stage oh man it was so funny there's i remember the one uh i think it was

512
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,720
luten or it could have been dunstable where you had the wig on with the tim paisley yeah no that

513
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:30,800
that was luten that was luten wasn't it yeah yeah that was luten i don't want to show that was i

514
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:39,520
dancing girls because i said kev he goes allow much i said well i've got um lee housden he's

515
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:46,400
going to do the sounds and the lights because we had electro strobes and all sort of man and thing

516
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:54,560
when we arrived at the place and where the hall was was right opposite side where they do all the

517
01:00:54,560 --> 01:01:02,400
running about in the big hall and they had to get power from uh one side to the other side because

518
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:09,920
we had so much stuff to plug in we had uro scans we had all these different light shows and everything

519
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:16,880
else and all the speakers as well we had these big massive great big subs all right and we had

520
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:25,840
dancing girls we had everything and it it starts off with a spaceship in here on on the screen

521
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:31,920
and all the banging tunes coming out of it and of course there was a sketch in there called the

522
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:40,320
doctor sketch right and what that was it was um i dressed up as tim posy all right and i've got

523
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:48,480
white shirt and the joggers and the white wig and i go through this door all right and it's got

524
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:56,080
dr sketch on the door and i knock on the door and there's a guy sitting there the doctor and he's

525
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:03,760
reading um a thing because we talked about the aliens and he's got total cart magazine in his

526
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:10,960
hand and he's reading it and on the front it's got aliens are taking all our fish all right get it on

527
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:19,520
with it on on the front of it and i walk in all right and uh i say this is before i ain't got the

528
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:28,240
wig on and all the gear right i walk in and i go he goes what's the matter derrick and i said i think

529
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:37,440
i'm turning into tim paisley and he goes really he said you got basically us and he picks up that

530
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:44,640
thing with activate he goes right i want you to take one of these every three hours and uh come

531
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:53,520
back and see me in two weeks so anyway i come back and i've got the wig on and i've got the white t

532
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:58,640
shirt and the black jogger because he always used to pull them up didn't he up here i'd seen the

533
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:09,520
other week in the magazine anyway he's um he's um i've knocked on the door and he's as i say he's

534
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:16,720
got the magazine in his hand and he looks up like this and then looks back and i walk in and he goes

535
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:21,600
well it looks like the pills are working it looks like the pills are working then and i went

536
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:28,800
lovely smashing gorgeous and as i was saying it i had to walk away because it was it was like it's

537
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:35,280
like i was in the doctor's surgery and it was just i noticed shoes on either it's almost original

538
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,120
youtube pranking wasn't it you know you see some of the guys that are out now that are really really

539
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:45,440
popular but you were doing it you know that's probably 25 years ago isn't it before but uh yeah

540
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,800
strange stuff you've you've fished with quite a few celebrities over the years as well

541
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:55,440
we did jeff capes me and you yes mate yeah yeah that was a great time what about the ending we had

542
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:02,000
the three different endings it was you there was two of you said and i said why don't i just kick

543
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:10,160
him in the right now jeff capes has got the biggest hands ever he put them on my head and he was going

544
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:15,120
to cross my head a lot of bloody freedom absolutely huge and i remember shaking his hand my hands

545
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:19,280
aren't small you know i'm not a small fella anyway and i shook his hand and it was like a five-year-old

546
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:25,360
shaky mind i know i remember something huge and he had trouble with his legs yeah yeah nice fellow

547
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:30,160
i remember he had you sitting on his knee at one stage yeah yeah all good but what about lee bowie

548
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:35,040
then you've had a bit of fun with lee bowie you're a west ham fan oh yeah for a friend i'm always

549
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,840
gonna be you've had a few of the west ham there's a lot of carp anglers west ham isn't it yeah and

550
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:45,200
you know has been all the time all the way through the years been oh i know well what i what was told

551
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:53,760
me by lee all the kids in the uh in the youngins yeah they all know who ladon is and i thought

552
01:04:53,760 --> 01:05:00,320
yeah they all could say they used to get total carp total carp was unbelievable yeah it was a

553
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:05,920
funky magazine and some of the people that are conned in coming because you got glen roder

554
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:16,400
yeah he was one us us ah that was sad when he when he passed because um i had him come i i met him

555
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:22,160
because when i used to run around angling you get all the different people come in like uh steve

556
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:30,720
davis come in uh he was he was so funny he's dry and funny he walked in the shop and i said to him

557
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:36,960
yeah i said you don't see you don't see many gay soccer players do you he goes oh well they

558
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:44,160
don't like it you know off the ground and that's the thing and when i took him fishing he was just

559
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:52,000
so funny we had such a good i have a laugh he has a laugh yeah yeah but so he i'll give him a video

560
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:57,280
because i went out to see paul lunt in canada and we done the video and i brought it back and i give

561
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:02,880
it to him and he come in the shop he goes and it's about two weeks after i've given it to him

562
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:11,360
and uh he's he's two boys turned around and drove him up the wall all right with this video because

563
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:16,800
they wanted to go yeah all right and he come in he goes i could kill you he goes you give me that

564
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:23,360
video now all they keep about is they want to go they want to go to canada yeah so who else have

565
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,680
you fished him then who you know tell us some of the stories is there any is there any disasters

566
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:35,680
that you've had with people any any absolute complete it's always quite interesting hearing

567
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,120
the behind the scenes stories because you know you fish with quite a few people over the year

568
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:46,400
well once his name jeff yeah i took him over avarley before i uh come to you and i'm fishing

569
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:55,680
with uh once he's having the old uh yellow gardener spots oh right all right and i'm saying i'm i'll

570
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:04,800
sit him right we have to buy up but we have to buy up a range you know he's like he's a monster

571
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:11,280
all right and he said can i have a go at that and i said to him well not really jeff you're a bit

572
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:19,760
heavy-handed you know i mean yeah so he's gone no i can do that give it to him first cast crack

573
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:26,480
off it's gone he just give it so much well are you yeah and i said you don't have to i'm standing

574
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:34,160
there making it look easy as i'm spombing away and he snaps it like a carrot first crack oh don't

575
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:38,480
don't i'm just trying to think of some of the others so you had a you had a fish off with lee

576
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:45,120
bowie didn't you yeah yeah he went down free now he did yeah that was when we was doing the uh rich

577
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:52,320
tea challenge and what was that was brilliant that was the rich tea challenge was every month

578
01:07:52,320 --> 01:08:00,960
would take a reader out or or a person would take me on yeah and i think we had something like uh

579
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:10,400
13 matches and i lost one yeah i drew one and lost one but it was um um

580
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:20,800
the he's so competitive all right he really is competitive what happened we got there and because

581
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:26,720
i want him to catch there's a guy in the swim before he's there well called him the ghost

582
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:34,560
yeah because he used to appear in your swim from nowhere and and then he'd be gone you know and

583
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:40,320
what he was doing walking around like they're baiting up the ghost and while he was fighting

584
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:47,280
out i used to watch the coots after he left and they were going we free grub right but he was

585
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:52,080
he was having quite a few fish out there and i said well you go in there lee and i'll go in the one

586
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:58,400
next door yeah and uh he tried to get one of my fish disqualified because it went through his line

587
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:05,840
all right because i did it with jones armstrong that that feature and uh i said i'm not having

588
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:16,000
that you you leave it out you're not you know anyway um yeah i had three and he had zero yeah

589
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:22,560
and he went out but we we did a picture of us with the bivvy like a goal and he turned around and

590
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:28,640
said right what we do we count to three and then we can get you saving it and he goes uh i said oh

591
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:34,640
all right then he went three and then that was it he kicked it straight at me so it went in

592
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:40,000
so what's next for derrick richie then you've you've you've been around a long long time you've

593
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:45,760
caught some incredible fish um what's next you obviously your monk's pit you're going to try and

594
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:52,480
count that the bigger the big or the big two that and then i was when i said about that in that

595
01:09:52,480 --> 01:10:02,480
november full moon all right i'd black spot that's a desirable 54 and a half um yeah i was well

596
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:08,320
impressed yeah big fish that big fish impressed with that but there's other things is that there's

597
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:15,120
a lot of things that people didn't realize like when i was still working with the missus i went

598
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:22,400
to the maldeeves and i spent i had 16 goals there i went with the boys to cut to it with kev and

599
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,840
all the chaps we had a right little outing out there and in the end my last trip out there

600
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:34,000
because i found an island out there where i could fish for the sows yeah and uh they were right on

601
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:42,560
the doorstep you go i could sit in a bar and see sailfish jumping out and it was unbelievable

602
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:49,360
trust me i reckon over the period of time i must have had over 100 sailfish well while i was out

603
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:57,440
there when you realize that a majority of them are 100 plus yeah i had them up to about 140 145

604
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:02,640
is that the most exciting fishing you've done you reckon selfish done done because when i was a kid

605
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:09,920
i used to i used to do sea fishing as well as the carp fishing yeah i used to go down south in beer

606
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:14,880
and catch mullet and catch bass and mackerel garfish and everything you had a spell trying

607
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,120
to catch a big taupe as well didn't you the british record talk you're after yeah that was

608
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:27,040
what a trip i'd i'd spent a lot of time uh going for uh for him off the east coast what happened

609
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:34,240
i went out on a boat mate of mine who was fishing with us um reeled in he had a mackerel yeah uh

610
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:39,040
and i grabbed it before he had a chance i'll put hook in it put it down on the bottom bang

611
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:47,280
first taupe unbelievable yeah if you see the pictures in my book in my book right um i looked

612
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:54,720
like one of the uh was village people yeah yeah with a little pair of shorts on holding this taupe

613
01:11:54,720 --> 01:12:05,040
but then i was i wanted to do it so every every season because the season was so small

614
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:13,360
off of the east coast yeah um that you had approximately a month to break the taupe record

615
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:20,640
because the record was coming yeah um and i spent a lot a lot of time i started to go to a place

616
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:26,080
in selsey as well because they come earlier there and all i wanted to do was chase taupe because i

617
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:35,280
wasn't carping then i'd sort of gone off and was doing my sea fishing and eventually um what

618
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:44,800
happened i was a carpet fitter i got laid off so i didn't have so much money uh and um i couldn't

619
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:51,360
carry on my knees were shot to pieces and i became an estimator and that obviously that didn't give

620
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:57,760
me enough money to travel around going to all these places fishing for taupe selsey bill ailing

621
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:06,800
island all down there um so i had one trip one trip left with john rall out of bradwell on the

622
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:15,680
monday the taupe record went to 78 pound right uh it was 78 and a half and it's a carp anglo call

623
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:26,560
it because now it's about 84 now i think something like that and um we went out on the boat there was

624
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:36,320
day potter from penjangling he was the manager there and uh anyway we um we went out it was a

625
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:41,600
couple of taupe call and it was right i was right on the low if you know i mean because i couldn't

626
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:48,080
do all my taupe fishing because we normally have quite a few trips booked anyway i'm sitting there

627
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:56,320
and i get this little bum bum bum and uh rolly because we're fishing with veal and john rall

628
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:03,840
said to me when that bloke had that big on the other day he said it was a sack that saved a

629
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:09,760
finicky little bite yeah because normally you hit them and they pick them right up and they're

630
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:17,600
screaming um anyway i wound down into it and hit it and this thing just exploded and ended up a

631
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:24,800
couple hundred yards behind the boat um on the surface it was like as if the lead had been blown

632
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:33,760
off and it was like there on the surface and um bob cox was coming in behind he said bob give us

633
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:40,000
a bit of room we've got a big one out on the top anyway we started i started playing it in got it

634
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:46,960
back to the back to the boat and i was using an abu which had uh two screws on the side of it

635
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:53,520
and them two screws balanced the spool up one of them had moved and the spool started jamming

636
01:14:53,520 --> 01:15:00,880
and it went up past the boat and i say to john rall you better be quick i said because me veal's

637
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:11,040
gonna jam up and as it went past he um leant over the side and picked it up and it was 77 and a half

638
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:19,920
pound wow absolute monster when i had the pictures um of it i could just about lift it up 77 and a

639
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:27,280
half pound i was like this that's the best fish you've ever caught um i've had a lot of big fish

640
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:35,680
um but i think because of the time that i spent up because i spent 10 years after them

641
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:40,800
yeah yeah you know i mean i didn't do carp fishing i only did carp fishing because there was

642
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:48,960
uh a guy who i know uh bill billy palmer his top pike angler went around his house to fit a carpet

643
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:57,440
in early 90s yeah and he said come pike fishing with me yeah i went pike fishing and then then of

644
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:06,240
course it was i want to go carp fishing again yeah yeah and that was it and sort of in the

645
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:16,480
early 90s um i was um because i i'd had all the problem with my knees and i got made river london

646
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:23,440
as a carpet estimator what i was doing through that summer i went over to wallace marina and i

647
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:28,560
was catching bass and selling them to the chinese yeah and i was catching five bass an eye over at

648
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:36,640
the marina and have a good size four or five pandas and then what happened mickey tumor um he

649
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:43,760
was in partnership with basil and angling and ganty angling and they had a place at olympus

650
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:51,920
outdoor world and he said do you want a job and i said yeah so i became the manager olympus outdoor

651
01:16:51,920 --> 01:17:01,840
world um and um then i got i was the manager at county angling and then the manager at bentwood

652
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:09,600
angling yeah for all of them and that was our i i i did the carp fish the manner and everything else

653
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:16,080
and got back into it yeah don is back on oh yeah the pike fishing finished yeah yeah although i

654
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:21,840
catch pike from a granddaughter when she wants yeah she likes them yeah because she likes scary

655
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:28,400
things she's got snakes and things like that let's go around her house it's like a zoo fair play now

656
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,960
normally what we like to do is we like our guests to bring us in a present and i believe in that

657
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:38,080
little bag down there you've got us one so what have you bought us something to go on the memorabilia

658
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:44,240
wall we got some brilliant stuff on here it's a roll of toilet paper oh fantastic fantastic oh

659
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:51,600
oh there we go that that's a piece of history that is carp fisher from the carp society

660
01:17:52,320 --> 01:18:02,160
magazine three pounds 70 1999 this yeah right hang on so there is carp society magazine carp

661
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:08,480
fisher from 1999 so what would that be that's 24 years ago with your good self on the front cover

662
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:13,040
i bought that in because it was in my garage and i've had a little clear out in the garage

663
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:19,200
because i think i'm going to be evicted evicted out of it so and as i was looking around i saw

664
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:26,480
that and i just thought well carp fisher from uh what's his name the carp and and tell us or tell

665
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:31,680
the viewers because obviously i know but tell the viewers which fish that is and why that is such

666
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:38,560
an important creature right well that fish when i was on the manor or they put we come up with a

667
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:45,120
grain spade and we put the grain spade in there we put one and a half tonne poo in the lake in

668
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:50,560
the close season that was when there was close season and at the beginning of that season when

669
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:59,200
i was using the grange i kept getting the smaller fish all right the amphibian had been out this

670
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:08,800
fish had been out this is called the gut bucket all right and what happened um i changed my style

671
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:18,640
of fishing we was using little ounce and a half running lends and um we were using as i say as i

672
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:30,560
said before the the grange cork bowl pop-ups on the convi big um and what happened um

673
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:39,760
kev got hold of some czechoslovakian pellet all right and this pellet was awful if you put it in

674
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:46,400
the car it'd stink the car out all right so we got some of that and we started lacing some of that in

675
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:53,360
the lake and the where we turned around and said if you don't go down the pub you don't catch a fish

676
01:19:54,000 --> 01:20:01,760
all right well it was true all right because i saw so many people sit on that lake all right and

677
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:06,880
because i was going in and out there all the time i could see how they behave you'd see the fish in

678
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:12,320
the swims where nobody's fishing because there's already bait gone in there from someone who's

679
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:20,640
sat in there and not caught nothing yeah and anyway um what sort of turned it around going up the pub

680
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:30,800
was the we're in a pub called the prince of wales all right and what we used to do was

681
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:39,440
milky had turned up in the car park we'd all jump in the van all right and go down the pub yeah anyway um

682
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:46,800
um when you got there all right you'd see milky standing there with his pint of beer and he couldn't

683
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:53,040
he couldn't keep his eyes off her knuckles but like she got face like welded fence right

684
01:20:53,760 --> 01:21:01,040
and you can't believe it we had like we had lockings in there and everything right and

685
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:07,680
oh it was so easy because you spray all the bait out in your swim don't put it on the spot just

686
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:14,400
spray it right and get them looking all over it and of course you'd stand in there have a night

687
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:27,120
with and uh once he's out and you can park a bike in them that big and milky was like oh no

688
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:36,880
like long looking at these burning the hole in them anyway yeah and and and then so what happened

689
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,680
right we sprayed all this everywhere and doing all that and then they went on the roll johnny

690
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:46,400
meacham was there and then he liked it because of the pub didn't he because you know he used to love

691
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:55,120
the awesome barge um anyway um we'd come back and of course that that was an edge going down to see

692
01:21:55,120 --> 01:22:02,080
the that was the biggest thing ever because you're leaving your swim with all that bait in it

693
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:11,520
all right and uh well see that's it and um anyway from that moment onwards i'll i went on a roll

694
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:17,520
i had a fish called the birthday fish all right and then i caught the amphibian and then

695
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:23,920
the one i needed for the full set there was one other one the fish called the fighting machine

696
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:31,280
um but this gut bucket that was a scary trip when i had that when i had the gut bucket out

697
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:36,640
i was right down the end of the lake in a swim called mums when my mother and i died i planted

698
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:46,080
a cherry tree there yeah and uh we called that swim mums um and uh anyway i was in mums and then

699
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:56,320
i had um just a brolly and uh what happened uh in that night uh first thing in the morning i slept

700
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:03,760
all night on a bed chair and i woke up right with a bit of a start and there was a fox there

701
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:10,720
right if you can imagine i nearly put a five egg mix in my pants when i saw this there

702
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:19,200
when i saw this there i just couldn't believe this bloody fox is like there and i went like this and

703
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:26,160
the fox ran off all right and a little bit later on i'm laying here and i couldn't go to sleep then

704
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:32,560
and i'm trying to have a little keffy in the day all right and uh i'm looking i'm looking i'm

705
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:39,200
thinking i've got to get asleep got to get asleep and all of a sudden the old rod ramped off and uh

706
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:44,240
i get straight in the boat because it all ran the outside of the manor it was full of weed yeah

707
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:50,560
um and what they do is they go up the tunnels and you have to get out over them and get back out of

708
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:57,520
it that was when i had the gut bucket and that was uh 36 and a half there which at the time look

709
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:03,120
1999 big fish then big big fish that was huge at the time wasn't it front cover valley look

710
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:12,720
oh yeah brilliant and that was that but that um on that 99 that was when we did that show yeah yeah

711
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:20,720
yeah that show with tim and all that brilliant well look it's been a pleasure having you in uh

712
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:25,280
it's great to go down memory lane we have had a wonderful time thank you ever so much for coming

713
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:30,560
in you're on facebook and youtube and all sorts of places if people want to see you yeah so they can

714
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:36,880
find you where where did we put the book we put the book we put the book here all right so we have

715
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,400
there's a book as well he's into plug the book as well so there is a book out at the moment tell us

716
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:46,720
about the book the book all right it's been out quite a few years now but uh we didn't even talk

717
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:52,560
about hendrix no we didn't put him in the best thing to do is let them read about it yeah so

718
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:58,640
get the book and read about hendrix but hendrix the mighty hendrix let me tell you about that fish

719
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:04,640
that fish loved me five times i caught that did you really yeah i couldn't get out of the way

720
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:09,440
and in the end i had to leave the syndicate because they were going people going no no he's

721
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:15,520
gonna get you again fed up with school again yeah cracking cracking fish so there is ladies and

722
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:21,200
gentlemen none other than derrick the don richie uh brilliant to have him in we will of course have

723
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:26,240
more guests in the future but from me and everyone here at outlaw pro thank you ever so much for

724
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:30,960
watching listening please do what you normally do click like follow all the other stuff and we'll

725
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:38,400
be back again very soon thanks for listening to the outcast the podcast from outlaw pro the ultimate

726
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:44,480
angling experience remember to follow us on social media for updates and information on future guests

727
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:57,360
see you next time