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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Rounding the Earth podcast.

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Rounding the Earth is a multimedia education project based on the popular newsletter series

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published on Substack written by applied statistician and educator Matthew Crawford.

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Topics of discussion range from critical analysis of conventional wisdom to Bitcoin and everything

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in between, in particular the ongoing so-called plandemonium.

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Our goal is a careful examination of important topics and perspectives shaping the world

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that too few people talk about.

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Subscribe to Rounding the Earth on local, Substack, Rumble at all to join a burgeoning

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research community and to help us unflatten the earth.

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My name is Liam Sturgis.

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I am a musician, music producer, writer slash editor coming at you live from the very, very

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rainy Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, and I will be your host for today.

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And as always, there's a yin to the yang or the yang to the yin, so to say.

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Please allow me to introduce the author of Rounding the Earth and my co-host for the

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podcast, Matthew Crawford.

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Good afternoon, Matthew.

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Hello.

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How are you?

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I'm well, thanks.

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How are you?

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I'm good.

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I assume it's not storming quite as much in Texas as it is here.

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No, we have like it's a beautiful day in the Dallas area.

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You guys are having a storm?

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Yeah, well, I was sending you a message saying that I was concerned my power was going to

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go out.

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I think it will survive, but it's a bit bluster.

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But no bluster in our discussion today.

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No bluster coming from our guests today.

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Look at that transition.

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I'm really excited about the conversation today.

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You and I have been talking for a few weeks about the prospect of doing a follow up to

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a discussion we had.

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In fact, let me pull it up here, a discussion we had with our friend Gabriel of Libre Solutions

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Network where we talked about Web 3.0 or the next generation of online services that can

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be used to decentralize technology and combat the various issues we have with centralized

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big tech.

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I think what's really cool at the moment we have this conversation, people started to

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reach out to Gabe.

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I listened to at least one interview, radio interview that he gave afterward.

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Well how about this?

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Let's bring our guests on one by one and we'll ask Gabriel.

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Hello Gabriel, how are you?

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Great.

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How about you guys?

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Doing very well.

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Now because Matthew brought this up, in fact, I'm going to bring on Mark as well and we'll

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do a full round of introductions, but I want to ask you about that interview.

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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome on Mark Kulak of Housatonic Live.

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How are you, sir?

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I'm fantastic.

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Thank you for having me on.

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Thank you for joining us.

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So we're going to have you introduce yourself in a second, Mark.

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You've been on before, but not necessarily for a round table, but I want to focus just

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Gabe, you had this fantastic interview.

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Do you want to tell us about that?

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Yeah, Havoré from, you might know him from Geopolitics and Empire.

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He had me on TNT radio, which I had a lot of fun.

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It was great to talk to him.

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Honestly, I'm a big fan of his work as well.

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So I was shocked when I got the email.

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It's like interview requests.

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Well, I don't get those, but here I am.

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Yeah, I hadn't heard him conduct an interview before.

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That was an introduction for me of him, but he sounds like a real smart guy.

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He ran a real good interview.

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Well, we'll make sure to get a link for that and I'll post it in the comments as we go.

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Now in the meantime, more broadly, Gabriel, you are of Libre Solutions Network.

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Do you want to just really quickly introduce yourself in general and recap the work that

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you, the wonderful work that you do?

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Yeah, I would definitely summarize my work as I am basically trying to market online

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digital freedom.

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How can people think about ways they can liberate themselves from either dragnet surveillance,

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information control, and honestly, sometimes the tools themselves?

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Fantastic.

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And we'll have in fact, the link to LibreSolutions.network as well as the next website about to show

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or in the description of the video.

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Now Mark, welcome to the show.

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Do you want to just briefly introduce yourself to the guests who, if they for some reason

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have not yet become familiar with your work?

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Do you want to introduce yourself to them?

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Absolutely.

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My name is Mark Kulak.

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I live just outside of Boston and about four years or so ago, I started a little company

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called Hustonic Information Technology Services.

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And I have a program called Hustonic.live.

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Hustonic is the name of a river in the state of Connecticut for those outside of the region

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may be unfamiliar with it.

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And my background is in the data storage industry, electronic data storage industry as a software

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engineer, as well as a product marketing director, competitive intelligence analyst.

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And several life circumstances, Lyme disease, drug addiction, et cetera, pulled me into

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the world of online research about six or seven years or so ago.

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And about four years ago, I decided to give it a full time go.

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in the community.

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The program has been running for about four years.

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Right now we have a little over a thousand episodes and I manage a very large archive

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of information, all publicly sourced stuff or stuff that was acquired through paywalls

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at the very least.

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And once again, the link to your website is available in the description, no matter where

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you watch in the video to your audience.

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And Mark's got a tremendous, as he says, a back catalog of research that is being updated

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daily, as far as I can tell.

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And it is somewhere I go to reference information all the time.

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I was privileged to watch the premiere of this live as it happened.

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Mark, do you want to just explain what this particular show is?

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It's actually run by my friend Marie Clark, who lives not too far from me in the state

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of New Hampshire.

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She is a survivor of the Remdesivir protocol.

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And that experience led her to using her skills, conversation, networking, professional networking,

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running interviews to now start a program where she's interviewing other people who

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have been through that, either loss of a family member or survived it.

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This is her first episode.

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I'm merely providing some technical expertise and hosting for it.

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And in here, she interviews a Laurie Sederstrom, whose husband was a fairly well-known conservative

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talk show host in the Arizona area who passed in, I think it was August of 2020, a brutal

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almost 60 days in the hospital.

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Much of it was effectively malpractice involving Remdesivir.

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And it took her a long time to finally step up and to have the ability to recover enough

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to start asking, has this happened to anyone else?

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And sadly, it has happened to a lot of other people.

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So I talk about some of my story a little bit here, but I think the most important focus

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with respect to the theme of the program, perhaps, is going to be Laurie Sederstrom's

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story.

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I think you're going to see a lot of her going forward.

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She is a very smart, very strong woman who definitely wants to get the word out and start

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networking.

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And congratulations to my friend, Marie, for finally getting her own program started.

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Yeah, a huge congratulations to Marie and a big thanks to Laurie for coming out and

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being so brave.

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And it was very difficult to listen to and simultaneously so tremendously well done when

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you have earnest people coming out and discussing their real lived experiences, even in this

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tremendously painful context.

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It was a very worthwhile listen.

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And I hope everybody watching this right now goes and listens as well.

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And I'm going to put the link in the comments as well.

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Thank you, Liam, for mentioning that.

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I appreciate that.

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I am a big believer that this is exactly what is changing the environment, not alt media

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turning into several large nodes that are pushing out what sometimes seems like templated

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information, but conversations with real people that everyone can scale.

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My wife and I had a conversation with a boot seller in Fort Worth who told us about going

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to a Baylor Scott hospital, or I don't know if it's Baylor Scott White or something like

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that hospital, and them trying to convince him for a week while he was there to take

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remdesivir.

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And he kept shutting them down, but it was injured.

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He's probably in his 60s, I'm guessing.

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information to dodge it.

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on your channel, Who's Satanic, Mark, you have gone in depth on the history of this

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drug now called remdesivir, also called Veclary, has had some other more coded type names as

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early drugs tend to.

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And interestingly, a lot of that information, perhaps so much as including its Wikipedia

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page, have been wiped, memory hold, altered in some way.

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And that's part one.

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Part two now is the concern that real stories like the one that Marie and Laurie and yourself

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have just shared, that those themselves could be at risk of being wiped as well as we've

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seen with, for example, Facebook groups of 100,000 plus people with injuries from various

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medical countermeasures being simply vanished from the internet and that information being

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lost to those who may be looking for it.

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So this, to me, spells out a huge need not only to be able to openly share this on a

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variety of platforms, but to then be able to capture, archive, protect, distribute in

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a sort of more like a library sense this sort of information.

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I'm wondering as someone from this field, someone whose expertise is in exactly this,

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what would the first thing be that you would start this conversation with?

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What is data storage beyond what people think of as downloading a file to their computer?

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What does it mean to have data integrity?

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How would you start this conversation?

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Well, data integrity is ensuring that there is no loss of quality of a data set.

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There's no frame within a video that the bits flip, the values change and maybe the colors

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change or it's not visible anymore.

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That's the data integrity part and there's a pretty high amount of quality on most data

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storage devices, even in your phone and so on.

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So that usually is not too much of a problem anymore, but it's protecting against the risks,

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the risks of the environment, the physical environment, as well as the political environment,

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the human environment.

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And those risks include, well, first of all, user error, accidentally deleting something,

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maybe overriding a file, opening up a document and deleting a bunch of pages accidentally,

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wanting the older version back.

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So there's diversioning and protecting yourself.

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There's making sure that your device could fall into the bathtub or get stolen or something

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of that nature.

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And house fire, so that can you have a copy of your data?

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Can you restore it somehow?

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I'll be a little bit inconveniently if one of those things happen.

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And this is something that wasn't spoken about too extensively when I worked at Dell Corporation

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and EMC and NetApp.

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And that is, well, what if the feds come in and say, we're confiscating your data?

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Well, that's great.

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You have an off-site copy that will protect you against your device being stolen.

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House fire, et cetera, will probably give you versioning so that you can access old

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versions of your files, however, that can be confiscated as well.

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And I don't save anything illegal.

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As a matter of fact, if you listen to my program, I tend to be very skeptical of most whistleblower

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stories even.

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And as someone who had to reverse engineer multimillion dollar storage systems like with

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EMC, I developed the craft of just taking conversations with people, white papers, old

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videos, and actually breaking it down to data storage diagrams.

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It would take a while, but I could usually get pretty far with just public information.

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It was scary, actually, to some people.

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They were convinced I couldn't do it, but I could.

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And now I've sort of applied that to my own work.

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So there is those threats.

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And this is being mapped, of course, right now with the tools that are currently available

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on the internet, the platforms, the Wikipedia is probably the one I talk about most, which

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sort of works on a singular truth model.

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There is only one truth.

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it can be tweaked a little bit.

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Little facts can be left off.

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Narratives can be remolded.

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And based upon someone's seniority on a platform, they can have a lot of influence on the final

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story.

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If I could interject, even beyond the seniority of editors or something like that, the rule

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got laid down like there's a standard for sourcing.

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And certainly there's gradations in quality, but you make a bright line somewhere in the

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middle, and then all of a sudden you're creating an inherent bias, but also if there are people

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who want to futz with information, they now know exactly who to go after to futz with

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that information, and to the extent that anything is corrupted there, now we're entering an

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age in which we have these new AI tools like chat GPT.

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So there's so many downstream effects that are exploding into society right now.

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So we've got to, we need to pay attention to the marks and gaves of the world and the

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solutions that they're looking for on the back end of all of that process.

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It's a much bigger can of worms that I was jumping into, so to say, than I thought when

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I knew that there were some challenges that our own family saw, things which weren't being

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represented effectively or in a useful way for other people to take action or to avoid

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certain risks.

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And then that turned into, everything was on fire when Trump became president.

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And I was like, okay, what's going on here?

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but I was not yet ready to comprehend just how serious it was.

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So this mission has sort of grown over time.

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It first turned to new off, we could just get a little bit of background on Adam Schiff

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or something just lame like that.

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the pinnacle of revealing stuff.

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It's way deeper than that.

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And although I've sort of veered out of the tech work that I've done, I do sense that

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ultimately I'm going to be going back in that direction.

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Again, no one could have expected this pandemic, at least I didn't, now.

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And not just inconveniencing us and maybe a few lives lost, but actually reorganizing

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our entire society.

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So it's a very pressing thing.

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And it's made it challenging to say, okay, I've done enough research, right?

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Now I'm just going to focus on maybe making some new platforms.

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Hence, I've been sort of stuck into the research work and the archival and not enough time

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doing the tech work that I used to do.

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I'm starting to get a little rusty there, sadly.

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I'm almost a little intimidated to be with Gabe here, to be honest with you.

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But it is an honor, just the same.

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But that's sort of like the high level view, hopefully, to get things started.

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That helps Liam.

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Yeah, Gabe, what's your take?

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How would you introduce the topic of data storage or information preservation?

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How would you take the baton that Mark just passed us?

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Well, my focus recently has been ways that people who aren't like Mike and I, who aren't

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very familiar with this stuff, how can we get people to a level where they can actually

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participate?

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Because one of the biggest problems is that when people want to participate, they just

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rush to whatever Facebook group or new service that offers an opportunity.

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But the truth is there are a lot of ways we can create our own opportunities.

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My most recent piece I wrote about the best website for a single person, which I say static

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websites that you can generate without knowing web design, without knowing any of the coding

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You just run this static site generator on your content.

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inexpensively.

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But really, like Mark would probably point out, this is only part of the picture.

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Not only do you have to have the ability to present something, but you need something

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to present.

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And in addition to this, static site generators are awesome, but there's a technique I've

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noticed certain people using, especially in the online privacy space, where you pair it

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with a Git repository.

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And you don't need to know a whole lot of technical information to use Git-like tools.

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There are even user interfaces built on top of Git, where people can collaborate at a

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really low technical level.

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You don't need a whole lot of skill.

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It doesn't require a whole lot of different software.

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And I find the biggest advantage is that you can use your own stuff.

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So I'm planning on writing about this technique of using Git and static websites.

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I want to call it Operation Beehive, because the honey is the information.

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You know?

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Sorry, just a point of clarification.

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What is Git?

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So Git is the...

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Mark mentioned earlier, you want versioning.

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You want to be able to go back to a previous state.

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And Git is the software programmers use to collaborate on code.

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But the nice thing is, is code is just text.

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Really any kind of text, whether it's latex, whether it's documents, whether it's even

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like large data sets, you can use Git for all those different types of workflows.

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And I consider that tool itself important enough to work into the workflow, because

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then you get the versioning, but you also get the collaboration.

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And it's funny, a friend of mine pointed out to me that Git has been used by the older

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tech wizards who you can do Git over email.

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You don't need a centralized service.

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You can spit up your own email services.

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It is way more powerful a tool than people give it credit, which is why a lot of my work

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has been going back to the foundations.

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What are the really basic stuff people can use that doesn't have as much as a learning

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curve because they're ancient.

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My engines make the harsh word, but do I recall correctly that Microsoft bought GitHub?

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They did.

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But the nice thing is, is you can run your own code for it.

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You can like there's four Joe, there's a what's the other ones get lab is the other one.

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You can self-host what most of GitHub does.

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Obviously, you won't get co-pilot.

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And I believe the pages functionality is different.

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But that's the thing.

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The tool that GitHub is built on top of is something anyone can use whether or not you

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touch GitHub.

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Would you describe it like a WordPress where the product has sort of become a right up

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a language a platform in and of itself?

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But it does slow down adoption perhaps a little bit when people have to think through like

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every time you know, prior tech interests come in and they see that somebody has has

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built a nice spaceship to know that has launched with some new technology.

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Then there is sort of there's the secondary challenge of okay, now we need to make that

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technology easier to use within the larger ecosystem.

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And for more people to find it.

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Like I wouldn't have known the other platforms that you mentioned.

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And I was actually just trying to write them down and accidentally wrote GitHub down.

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What did you mention again?

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There's code.

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There's sort of there's four Joe, which is what I run for myself.

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It's based off get T, how do you call that for Joe, for Joe.

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And then there's GitLab, which is what was basically the big competitor for GitHub.

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And you can host that yourself as well.

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Okay now, Gabriel mentioned a great point about people hosting their own websites or

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using using Wix or Google sites or whatever the case is.

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How do you how do you immortalize that information though?

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How do you ensure that it continues if someone misses a credit card payment or you know,

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when they pass on, you know, how or at the very least stop doing their work, right?

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How do you how do you ensure it continues on who then takes ownership of that?

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Where does it go?

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What is conceptually nice about a collaborative platform like Wikipedia is multiple people

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can contribute to this shared body of knowledge.

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However, ultimately, then they become gatekeepers who own it and massage it.

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And you know, we'll erase a few facts here and a few facts over there.

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And suddenly the the what people understand to be the narrative changes just by masking

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facts.

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So these are all you know, these are I don't know what all the solutions are.

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I have some ideas have been floating around in my head.

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But the first part is to understanding the limitations of the of the of the platforms

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and the tools that we have.

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I have an idea in my head of something like interplanetary file protocol, where you know,

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many people somewhat somewhat like oh gosh, we're everybody's storing different things

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and getting the files downloaded from other people.

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What?

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Quarantine.

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Quarantine.

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Thank you.

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I'm thinking like interplanetary file protocol with with torrenting where so long as storing

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something is either worth it to you or worth it to you plus the payments, you know, micro

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payments that come in from other people searching for it and downloading it from you or something

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like that, so long as that value exists, then the information will exist.

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And in a sense that that may be sort of like the correct economic pruning of all the information

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storage in the world.

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So perhaps we are beginning a true optimization process of in an age where we probably have

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you know, gone so many directions with information that we haven't organized it well, and we

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haven't, you know, optimized the value of it well.

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So I bet that there will be a combination of the collaborative tools, but also like

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the individual file storage.

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Well, I have different economic values to build on this.

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Actually one of the things that the Internet Archive, the Wayback Machine has done that's

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somewhat controversial is if your website changes your robots dot txt file, which is

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basically what it tells Google to index or not, a website can choose not to be archived

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by the Wayback Machine.

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Now ostensibly this is for privacy reasons, you know, if somebody has, you know, certain

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profiles you want to be able to lock it off.

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But the thing is, is that means it itself is moderated by the websites themselves.

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Now maybe I should be quiet about it so that people don't proactively do it, but that's

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the option that's out there.

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Have you noticed many websites doing that?

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I have identified a couple in my journeys who have gone that step and actually made it so that they cannot be archived.

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You know, this URL is excluded from viewing, I believe is the message you get.

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But have you noticed that beyond just a couple examples?

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I haven't noticed it come up in my area because I am looking into specifically how to get

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things that are relatively uncontroversial done.

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But I'm trying to package them in a way that's useful for, well, really anything.

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I haven't seen it, but I've seen URLs that I was at the very least surprised was not

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in the Wayback Machine.

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That doesn't mean they were ever there.

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It's just surprising that some URLs are not there at certain times or that they didn't

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start until certain dates.

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Well, Mark, I'm sure you've seen, I know you've been looking at the World Health Organization

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website a fair amount, and perhaps you've noticed they in maybe it was mid 2020 decided

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that they were going to do an entire website reshuffle where it's not that the stuff was

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deleted.

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It's just you're going to find it at this new URL.

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Now we've just moved where everything is stored.

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So I didn't know that.

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You wonder why they did that, though.

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You wonder.

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I mean, sometimes engineers get in there and they just they are they just they they think

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they have a better way of doing things.

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And maybe it is better, but they think change for the sake of change.

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And it just winds up being complicated.

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There may have been a nefarious reason behind it as well.

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But it's a good observation.

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Changing the URLs.

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Yeah.

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Or reshifting of priorities of what the WHO would prefer the public focus on, perhaps

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if they're engaging in messaging campaigns one way or the other.

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It could make sense.

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Now, I want to turn to Vilma Betancourt in the chat who said Mark has a structure for

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saving and backing up his data.

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Can he give us a peek into his system?

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Now I'll qualify by saying I don't expect you to reveal anything that would be proprietary

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or that would compromise the, you know, the safety of your system.

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But that is sort of the premise of why I figured you'd be an excellent guest on that specific

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topic, because you do appear to have a very good system.

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And you gave us just a bit of a sneak peek just on this call here before we went live.

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So I'm wondering, is that something you can introduce to the audience at a basic level?

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Well, I would like to be using a more sophisticated database than online spreadsheets.

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But I've made decisions to go simple and to focus on how to say the data management rules

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as opposed to building up a system to do a lot of the automation.

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However, at some point, I do need more scripts to be able to validate that I have everything

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perfectly indexed.

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But what I have is I have my own proprietary identification system for digital assets that

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I save.

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I would encourage people if they have found something of interest on the internet to save

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their own copy.

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Nice to have a link to something, but you need to save it.

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You need to print it out to a PDF file.

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If it's a video on YouTube, you can download the MP4.

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And make sure you note the date that you saved it, because these digital assets that was

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at that particular web address can change at any time.

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And one of the most important pieces of metadata of any digital asset, I'm sure Gabriel would

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agree, is the date that you found it.

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And you say, oh, the Wikipedia page for so-and-so says this.

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I'm like, well, when did you look at?

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Oh, there are no New York Times articles on this particular subject there.

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I just researched not to get into the weeds on something, but a company called IntroGene,

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I-N-T-R-O-G-E-N-E.

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And I forget something to do with adenovirus-vectored vaccines.

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And it was mentioned in an interview of someone that I don't want to talk too much about right

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now.

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We wouldn't want to divide, right?

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Exactly.

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So I went to the newspapers.com, and I'm like, wow, there's not one mention of this company.

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How does it happen?

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How does that even happen?

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And then one way you can verify that it should have been there is if you'll find 24 articles

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in the Wall Street Journal.

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So that doesn't mean that it's erased.

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At the very least, again, Gabe understands this stuff.

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It's unindexed, which is hilarious.

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I've had times where I've searched for something on the ancestrynewspapers.com, can't find

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it.

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And then I'll actually find articles with that same topic later on having those articles

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found through other methods.

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So they don't always delete things.

469
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Sometimes they just delete the metadata, the indexing for it.

470
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,600
But on my end, you need to have a unique ID.

471
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,680
I have a proprietary one.

472
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,880
You need to save your assets somehow.

473
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,600
I have a unique name for every file.

474
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,920
I always save the date.

475
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,880
And in addition to a bunch of topical pages that you've seen, about 1,000 or so of those,

476
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,680
I have about 50,000 digital assets saved behind the scenes.

477
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:57,840
New York Times articles, I have the whole collection of Sandia National Laboratory newsletters

478
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:04,800
that were bi-weekly from 1951 to 1998.

479
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,080
So that thing is just a freaking gold mine.

480
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,640
For example, I have all kinds of assets like that.

481
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,480
That's clearly a big deal.

482
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,160
I'm sure you guys know of Johnny Vedmore.

483
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,880
Yes.

484
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:27,780
And the story that he told that most stuck with me was how he and his roommates were

485
00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:31,800
growing weed inside their home.

486
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,720
And the police come and knock on the door and come in.

487
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,400
And they didn't take the weed plants.

488
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,960
They took his boxes of saved newspaper clippings.

489
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,280
Whoa.

490
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,880
This is sort of what shook him and turned him into a journalist.

491
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,920
The fact that information control is that valuable.

492
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:59,720
It's so valuable that police who don't even care sometimes to do what you would think

493
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,400
their ordinary job would be.

494
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,840
Clearly we have a lot of instances in which we know that police are just stopping controlling

495
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:14,200
crime in the United States at this point, but in many countries.

496
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,560
But they're interested in his saved newspaper clippings.

497
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,880
So go ahead.

498
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:20,880
One more thing.

499
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,680
I'm sorry to interrupt.

500
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:31,600
And again, it's cool to have a fellow techie on the line here.

501
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:37,320
I go out of my way to avoid vendor lock-in, to avoid platform lock-in.

502
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,400
There are many individuals right now who are doing amazing research.

503
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:48,800
And they will dump it all onto a particular proprietary website, web portal.

504
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,720
Maybe Wix would be one of them.

505
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,080
Or on Twitter even.

506
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,720
And all of their data is on that one platform.

507
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,360
The only way, they don't really have a backup copy.

508
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,480
I mean, they could request a copy of it.

509
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,520
If their account is deleted, it goes away.

510
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,520
And even if they do have a copy, well, how are you going to refactor that for another

511
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,000
platform?

512
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,920
So while I use a very, I actually mostly use Google sites right now.

513
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,920
Not because it's the best.

514
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,240
It just happens to be what I started with.

515
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:21,160
But I'm always thinking of if within the next hour, if Google says, we've just shut off

516
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,000
all your accounts, your Google Drive is gone, it's all gone, goodbye.

517
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,040
Can I recreate that?

518
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,920
And even if it takes me a few weeks, that's okay.

519
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,420
It's a pain, right?

520
00:34:31,420 --> 00:34:32,520
But I can do that.

521
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,560
I'm not locked in.

522
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,480
I don't use any formatting, any of the way that I've saved the data, named it, organized

523
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,720
it, that's specific to Google Drive, Google Sites, or anything else.

524
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:46,640
And I would encourage people to think about that.

525
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,560
Run that mental exercise, whatever platform you use.

526
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,600
If it goes away, what are you going to do?

527
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,800
Do you at least have a copy?

528
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,520
And if you do have a copy, how are you going to re-present that somewhere else?

529
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,160
Being able to do it is good.

530
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,400
How much work will it be?

531
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,240
Is it going to take you another year to rebuild it?

532
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:11,500
So just ask the questions and when people start thinking about it, they'll start architecting

533
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:13,080
their layout better.

534
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,840
So I focus on that more so at that level.

535
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:24,000
And not so much on the, I mean, I used to do all my websites in raw HTML.

536
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,840
Right now I'm not doing that anymore.

537
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,200
Although I wish I could in a way because that would be portable.

538
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,120
More portable than going straight to, like for example, a Wix website.

539
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:44,120
Over seven years, how many times have you read or architected your hierarchy of information?

540
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,720
I ask because I've done it now.

541
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:50,560
I think I'm in the middle of the fourth time in three years.

542
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,520
Well the question seems to be how often, not how many times.

543
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,520
Not many.

544
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,520
It may be that-

545
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:03,840
I'm using a model, Matt, that I learned when I was the top data storage division analyst

546
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,840
at Dell.

547
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,040
And I started learning this at NetApp.

548
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,200
So I went through multiple permutations of this.

549
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:17,560
I would have to save lots of documents, user guides, service guides, and so on.

550
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,120
I would save demos that people would post on YouTube and I had to have a way to be able

551
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,480
to organize all this stuff and to make sure that the legal department would be okay with

552
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,480
it.

553
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,480
So I've sort of have, I've been doing this for a while.

554
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,480
Okay.

555
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,480
So you're back-

556
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:32,480
I was an engineer for about 12 years.

557
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,880
I did OS's and drivers.

558
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:40,120
So I was always at, you know, very meticulous, right, on how I had the right code.

559
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:45,000
And I developed a model and I more or less have used that model, which is, it's not patented

560
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,000
or anything.

561
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,820
But you just have to list out the rules and be rigorous about following those rules.

562
00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:52,600
And there's a benefit to that.

563
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,680
And I'll, I'll pass the mic over to Liam here.

564
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:03,600
The other benefit of that is as a researcher, most of the most amazing things that I've

565
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,640
found as a researcher has come when I was not looking for it.

566
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:14,200
It has come when I'm kicking back and enjoying a cream soda, organizing my files for hours

567
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,760
and hours and hours and hours.

568
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,400
I'll just find like, wow, this is a crazy name.

569
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,800
That looks familiar.

570
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,960
You know, because I'm trying to get everything to match my particular proprietary layout

571
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,300
to the rules that I've had.

572
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:30,960
And I'm like, holy crap, I have that document saved somewhere else.

573
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,960
Holy crap.

574
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,120
There's a suspicious R guy in here.

575
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,120
Interesting.

576
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,840
You know, and then, and then stuff just kind of falls out from there because we, when we're

577
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,360
looking for something, we only see what we want to find.

578
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,680
And when you're more relaxed as an analyst, and usually that happens when you're just

579
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,880
in your data, but you're just organizing it, you're not looking for stuff.

580
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,880
And now you're amazed.

581
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,560
You're not looking for models that you've built instead of search algorithm that you

582
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,560
use.

583
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,560
Yes.

584
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:00,560
Yes.

585
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,560
Yeah.

586
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,200
Cause you're, you're subject to confirmation bias by default, right?

587
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:09,880
But I've on the research side, I've experienced exactly what you're describing.

588
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:16,980
And I think I, I watch people like you and some others who have identified this as a,

589
00:38:16,980 --> 00:38:21,420
you know, as a fact that, that you can fall into kind of missing the picture if you're

590
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:22,520
just looking for something.

591
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,720
So I've come into it a little consciously.

592
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:27,380
And so it's very relatable.

593
00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:32,760
You know, I'm working on a report right now, just a bit of a background on a couple of

594
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,440
people for a letter that's going to be written.

595
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,880
And there's a basic premise behind the question, you know, you know, look for this kind of

596
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,860
thing on this person.

597
00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:49,160
And almost inevitably the story winds up being even more interesting, but not in the direction

598
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,480
that people are looking.

599
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,480
Bingo.

600
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,480
You got it.

601
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,480
Yeah.

602
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,280
Mark, it makes it really hard to stick to deadlines.

603
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,320
Yes, it does.

604
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,320
Yeah.

605
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,720
Because you got to now, the question is what's the goal here?

606
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:06,320
Cause if you're honest, then you're not going to want to, you know, settle for subpar data,

607
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,760
especially if you're, you know, maybe accusing or suggesting somebody may have a conflict

608
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,560
of interest, which is often the subject of my research.

609
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:22,400
Anyway, I want to relate in that I, so as a musician,

610
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:30,600
so I went to recording school and at recording school, there was a very solid rule, an unbreakable

611
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:36,960
law, which is if it doesn't exist in three places, it doesn't exist at all.

612
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,480
And the reason there is if you're a recording engineer or a producer and you're recording

613
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,640
something and it's a great session, you've got a three gig, you know, a session file

614
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,440
and you've got it on your portable drive, but then you drop it down the toilet while

615
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,080
that entire project is gone.

616
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,440
And oftentimes that's hundreds, thousands of dollars of work that's gone into that.

617
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,920
And then what?

618
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,780
You don't necessarily have insurance for that.

619
00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:11,960
So you have two drives, you have cloud backups and I've made this mistake, luckily in low

620
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,400
stakes scenarios, projects have been lost and I learned.

621
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:21,080
So I want to tell you what I've done now based on what I believe your advice might be for

622
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,360
people and you critique my system.

623
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,360
Okay.

624
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,840
You ready?

625
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:32,480
So when I find something online, the first thing I do, I'm going to share my screen here.

626
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,480
Oops.

627
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,040
I'm going to share my screen.

628
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,840
So let's say I'm looking for just, yeah, like just a page.

629
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,480
So let's say it's on this Wikipedia page, just a random one.

630
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,320
It has nothing to do with this.

631
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:53,200
And the first thing I do when I get this almost by reflex is I do two rounds of digital archiving

632
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,600
using third party services.

633
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,760
The first is archive.today.

634
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:03,080
I have a fun little button loaded in as a extension on my, I use opera browser, at least

635
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,640
on this computer.

636
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,200
And it automatically, when I hit the button, starts the archive.

637
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,200
Great.

638
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,360
And I also do the same thing, but on the Wayback Machine, which is probably the one most people

639
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,960
are familiar with.

640
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,960
So simultaneously, you've got two digital copies that are not proprietary, or they're

641
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,640
not behind anybody's paywall.

642
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,280
They're just accessible to anybody else who may then come on those services later and

643
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,200
may need to find a digital archive.

644
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:38,000
The next thing I do usually is I then put it into a format that is publicly accessible.

645
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,440
So let's say I'm organizing it on our Campfire Wiki, which is essentially our version of

646
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,320
what you've got with your Huesotonic research site.

647
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,920
Or it could be Wikipedia.

648
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:56,000
Sometimes I myself will go in and at the same time edit the Campfire Wiki, edit Wikipedia,

649
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,440
and now edit Wiki Spooks, because I'm an editor there as well, as some found out in a rather

650
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,720
hilarious turn of events.

651
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,920
And so there, now it's accessible to the public.

652
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,360
And usually this is all very quick and easy to do.

653
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,600
But what I've started to do, this is the part that you've introduced in my world, is not

654
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,880
just in the music context, but taking what's on here and capturing it.

655
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:25,120
For example, Opera has the ability to save the entire page as a PDF.

656
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:30,800
In the case of Opera, full functioning links and everything, which I believe signifies

657
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:37,600
that it's getting all of the metadata you'd need in order to be somewhat forensically

658
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,880
accurate.

659
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,120
That then gets downloaded onto a hard drive.

660
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,760
I've called it Campfire Wiki Drive A.

661
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,440
And I want to talk about, I want to have you guys explain the difference between different

662
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,480
kinds of hard drives in a minute, but it's a hard disk drive.

663
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,340
I have two separate cloud services that I then back up to.

664
00:43:01,340 --> 00:43:05,200
One of them is just constantly backing up the entirety of all of my drives, just on

665
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,940
an ongoing basis.

666
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:08,880
And I have nothing sensitive being backed up.

667
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,800
It's specifically targeted just to what I want to accidentally spill into the public

668
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,400
sphere if that were to happen.

669
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:22,600
And I have a separate file sharing system that links my computers in real time.

670
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,060
And then I can send to a, it's called a vault, a more permanent cloud storage.

671
00:43:27,060 --> 00:43:30,560
So in summary, I have two hard drive, oh, sorry.

672
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:37,480
And then once a month I back up this first hard drive, I clone it to a second hard drive.

673
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,920
And you keep it.

674
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,920
And you keep it.

675
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:49,080
But perhaps there's a step beyond that, that you do that many others don't.

676
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,160
What are your thoughts on my system and what would you add on to it or take away or what

677
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,160
would you change?

678
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,400
Would you like to go first, Gabe?

679
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,480
I'll let you go first because I have a question to follow up that could be suited to the broader

680
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,960
or you specifically.

681
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:09,400
Well, the good news is you will not lose your data to disaster at all.

682
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:17,760
The good news is if you have a machine failure or theft, you're not going to lose your data.

683
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,980
The good news is you have lots of versions of your data.

684
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:25,640
If you accidentally override it or delete it, you're in good shape.

685
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:34,760
How that is indexed, at the very least, depending upon when you're backing up your data, you

686
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,120
may not have a central index for it, for the different versions.

687
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,620
But that's okay at your scale and my scale as well.

688
00:44:42,620 --> 00:44:44,200
You don't need that.

689
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:52,200
The only potential risk or vulnerability is if there's a request to confiscate your digital

690
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:58,440
assets, which will include or could include all cloud copies as well.

691
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:06,360
Now, of course, the stuff that goes into the Internet Archive might be exempt from it.

692
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,480
There is a lot of really interesting discussion right now that's being had and this week in

693
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,920
tech has some good people that have been covering it.

694
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,920
I wish I had more time for this particular topic and that is the Internet Archive, what

695
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,280
to do about books that have been put on there and other copyrighted material, when can it

696
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,760
be shared, when not to.

697
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,600
It's a conversation that needs to be had.

698
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,440
So most of the stuff that you've been putting on there is stuff that was already in the

699
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,480
Internet anyways, which is good.

700
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:49,280
But each month I invest about $200 or so for another 2 to 4 terabyte SSD that I just send

701
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,520
out to a different person.

702
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,880
I have dozens of volunteers right now who have taken drives.

703
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,880
Should something happen?

704
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:04,160
I own all the assets that are on these drives until such a time when I don't care.

705
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,940
But this is really my protection.

706
00:46:07,940 --> 00:46:15,540
So these also give me an additional versioning, a copy of everything that I had in my archive

707
00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:17,720
at the particular time that I make them.

708
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:19,340
It also means that they're offline.

709
00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:26,580
It also means that they are no longer arguably confiscatable.

710
00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:35,060
So if someone needs to or is willing enough to be my friend and make sure that the data

711
00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:39,160
lives on, that's still the case.

712
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:44,380
So it's a little bit of an expensive venture and I know some people probably will not do

713
00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:45,860
anything with them.

714
00:46:45,860 --> 00:46:51,200
It also means that I need to have things organized in a way that it's compact and efficient.

715
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:58,420
There's no reason to store every HD video I've downloaded in highest quality.

716
00:46:58,420 --> 00:47:05,160
It's also important to have a directory system, a file folder system that I'm not putting

717
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:13,200
my iMovies in there, not putting my personal photo album, my own resumes and all of this

718
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,200
stuff.

719
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:25,140
I have the web pages that I have, source documents, versioning of my Wikipedia type file system,

720
00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:28,360
my database files, which are all versioned, et cetera.

721
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,040
And I have a lot of copies of them all over the place.

722
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:37,120
So it's again, it's an extra couple hundred dollars a month, but it's that last little

723
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,540
piece.

724
00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:45,400
And if you're a company, let's say like you're a law firm, you can't necessarily do something

725
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:52,820
like that because you have laws on how long you can retain data.

726
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:58,280
If you're a law firm, you need to hold on to things for, what name escapes me right

727
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,280
now, for usually like seven years.

728
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,420
And then after that, it becomes a liability.

729
00:48:04,420 --> 00:48:08,920
After that, you need to destroy it because now you could have data out there that could

730
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,240
come back and haunt somebody in a case, right?

731
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:13,680
I don't have that.

732
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:22,600
So I don't have those types of, it's so embarrassing, I can't think of the name right now, policies

733
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,320
that I need to follow regarding data destruction.

734
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,380
And I don't really have to deal with privacy too much either.

735
00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:36,600
For some, for a company with a lot of legal requirements, you need to have your offsite

736
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:42,160
backups and they also need to be sure that only certain people can see them, maybe even

737
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,080
at certain times before they automatically get deleted.

738
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,640
That gets really complicated.

739
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:53,640
And that's why backup managers are sometimes the highest paid people in a company because

740
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,680
they have to have networking experience, data security experience, as well as know how to

741
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:04,160
use something like com fault or net backup or, you know, a networker or whatever the

742
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,160
tool is.

743
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,240
It's incredibly, incredibly complicated stuff.

744
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:13,120
For me, I just need to make sure that the data is invulnerable and I have versions of

745
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,120
it.

746
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,560
So again, you have to talk to each person.

747
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:16,560
What are your requirements?

748
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,800
What are the legal risks that you need to meet?

749
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,480
And you need to have that discussion.

750
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:28,720
And I think that most online researchers, archivists such as myself, have a very similar

751
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:34,480
set of rules that we can adhere to.

752
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,560
And I think that's good.

753
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:42,400
So what I just said wouldn't necessarily speak well to, you know, a bank or a law firm.

754
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,880
They have different requirements.

755
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,360
Okay.

756
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,160
A lot we could dive off of from there.

757
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,840
Gabe, you had a question.

758
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:58,260
So I'll first get into it by pointing out that there's a tool created.

759
00:49:58,260 --> 00:50:00,520
It's called Wayback and I'll, I meant to throw it here.

760
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,680
It is I put it in, I'll actually throw it in the chat.

761
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,480
Liam, I put it in our chat.

762
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,800
It's called Wayback.

763
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:13,240
And what it'll do is it'll upload something to the internet archive, as well as keep your

764
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:20,440
own copy and distribute it over, you know, Tor hidden services, your own local, you know,

765
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,440
web server.

766
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,440
It has a lot of flexibility.

767
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,880
I'd almost call it a Swiss army knife of archiving.

768
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,680
It's an excellent tool.

769
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,720
And you know, when you really go into the weeds of what tools are available for this

770
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:38,740
kind of activity, one of the things I'm curious about is how does AI change the game?

771
00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:45,080
And so OpenAI created this tool Whisper that is excellent at transcribing audio or video.

772
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:50,400
If you turn it into audio of at least a single speaker with multiple speakers, you'd have

773
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,080
to go through the effort of saying this person said that that person said that.

774
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,900
But at least for a single speaker, you can get a transcription, which means in some cases,

775
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:01,640
you may not need the recording, you may not need the video.

776
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:06,760
And so my question is, what do you guys think about compressing your archives instead of

777
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,960
having to lug around, you know, terabytes of video if you're doing, you know, video

778
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,880
for this kind of purpose?

779
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,280
Why not compress it down to a transcript and some screenshots?

780
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,640
And that's way easier to store and manage and distribute in a lot of cases.

781
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:27,240
I agree that the ability to transcribe is a lot of it's done automatically right now

782
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:29,600
for most YouTube videos.

783
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,200
It's amazing.

784
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,560
It's amazing how much content we find.

785
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:41,200
And a lot of Apple products right now are doing automatic optical character recognition

786
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,600
as well.

787
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:48,640
So many times I've saved, you know, just raw images of articles and it's finding words

788
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,640
on them.

789
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,080
So and I didn't even say, hey, you should run OCR net.

790
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,080
It used to be something I had to do manually.

791
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,320
Up to your point, though, yes, there's no there's generally no reason to save everything

792
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,320
at the highest resolution.

793
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,960
And in fact, Matt kind of alluded to that earlier.

794
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,000
You know, I mean, we have security cameras in the house, you know, monitoring the doors.

795
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,400
Do we need to save the 24 seven security fee?

796
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:10,800
There's no value in that.

797
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,600
It really isn't.

798
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:19,680
However, sometimes there's videos where someone may they may do a very telling eye roll at

799
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:24,000
some time during a major presentation.

800
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:32,120
So you know, but saving a video at compressed, you know, 720p or 1080p, oftentimes you can

801
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:38,040
save you can reduce the overall size of the video by about 90 percent, sometimes more.

802
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:43,800
And also as someone who does content creation, it's always really helpful if you can if you

803
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:49,320
realize there's an older video out there that has a lot of value to be able to show it if

804
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,840
you still have it embedded into, you know, the newer video production that that I'll

805
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:55,840
make.

806
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:01,680
It can be really powerful to see someone that you've spoken about in the flesh, so to say,

807
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,640
actually presenting a particular topic doesn't need to be at the highest resolution, though,

808
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,080
a little bit more than 240p.

809
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,080
But you're right.

810
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,880
There are ways to reduce the amount of data storage dramatically with with some cleanup.

811
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,440
It takes time.

812
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,440
It does take time.

813
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,440
It's not nothing.

814
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:19,680
None of this is totally free.

815
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,880
But thank goodness transcription has been a blessing.

816
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,360
One of the most powerful things I've seen out there.

817
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,040
Almost embarrassing, though, is someone who makes videos because I my little dyslexia,

818
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,400
you know, I get left and right and, you know, words mixed up sometimes.

819
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,800
And I'm like, oh, did I really say that?

820
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,880
So, but yeah, I can sympathize.

821
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,600
Empathize.

822
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,200
Really weird thought.

823
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:51,720
You just made me think about the whole Sinbad episode with the Genie movie and the Mandela

824
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:53,040
Factory.

825
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,480
Is everybody here familiar with with that story?

826
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,120
Only from your substack article about it.

827
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,320
Can you spend can you spend a minute and just review it?

828
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,360
Yeah, I think the name of the movie was Shazam.

829
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,480
That's not to be confused with the recent.

830
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,840
Is it Marvel that made a movie called Shazam?

831
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,560
OK, the comic book movie.

832
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,640
So and this was part of my childhood.

833
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:22,480
I remember that this movie was made and it was out there and that I watched.

834
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,360
I don't know if I watched some of it or all that.

835
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,640
I didn't watch that sort of TV much, but I remembered it myself.

836
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,160
And so when there was this controversy that came out online, maybe seven, eight years

837
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:39,320
ago where some people remembered the movie and yet we were being told that the movie

838
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:45,300
didn't exist and Sinbad, who was the Genie in the movie, said, no, you guys are confusing

839
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:49,960
this with the Shaquille O'Neal movie where he played a genie.

840
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:56,860
And so, you know, there's this very real discussion of of what was going on where some people

841
00:54:56,860 --> 00:54:57,860
had this memory.

842
00:54:57,860 --> 00:55:00,720
You can call a false memory.

843
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:06,160
Well, finally, some it surfaced that there was, you know, somebody had the actual old

844
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,280
movie and then even Sinbad did an interview where he came out and said, you know, OK,

845
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,120
yeah, the movie was made.

846
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:19,060
And this is a government operation where people were sent to collect as many of the few copies

847
00:55:19,060 --> 00:55:26,560
out there as there were of the video and destroy them in order to run some sort of an operation.

848
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,160
And he didn't explain what that operation was.

849
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,360
And he said, look, there are only about three copies left in the world.

850
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,200
And I'm sorry that I participated in this.

851
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,880
You know, and that was what he said.

852
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,540
So I like, you know, that's a very strange operation.

853
00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:46,480
This math gaslighting of everybody in the world over whether or not this movie had ever

854
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,240
been made.

855
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:51,100
So here's a hypothesis.

856
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:57,920
It's a test to see how well the world is archiving information.

857
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,920
I wholeheartedly agree.

858
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:05,480
I mean, to me, that's what I call the collapse of the intangible, where you have AI tools

859
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:11,420
making it easy to, you know, distribute any kinds of events or, you know, evidence for

860
00:56:11,420 --> 00:56:13,360
one thing or another.

861
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,240
And the challenge is when you can do that, how do you validate things?

862
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:21,840
I mean, I would argue we're still quite lucky that things like, you know, the way back machine

863
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:27,280
and archive.is exist, because at least we have a relatively neutral tool that will say

864
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:32,560
this website did look like this at this time according to this server.

865
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:37,080
But as time goes on, I think it will be very hard to prove authenticity.

866
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,080
And I think, you know, Mark, you're really right.

867
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,560
The versioning is probably one of the better ways we have to prove authenticity, because

868
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,400
if you can at least show how something has changed over time, it's almost like a proof

869
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,440
of work of, oh, here's my copy of events.

870
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,920
It's something and it's more solid than somebody just saying, oh, I have a screenshot.

871
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,080
That's for sure how it was.

872
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:01,860
And in a world in which, you know, we're being told by some people, I believe this myself

873
00:57:01,860 --> 00:57:06,280
for a pretty good while, but there are people like Whitney Webb who are saying, look, we're

874
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,880
really in an era of blackmail governance.

875
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:15,680
And I think that there is an extent to which that's absolutely true.

876
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:16,680
But you know what?

877
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,520
All this information, if we do this right, if everybody does this the way that you two

878
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:29,800
would teach it, then in a sense, that distributed archived information with good, you know,

879
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:37,720
source control, that is in a sense blackmail against the blackmailers or blackmail against

880
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:43,520
the power levers who might themselves be leverageable by other blackmailers.

881
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:44,520
Right.

882
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:51,280
Like we the people, you know, we then would be the people again, in a sense.

883
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:56,800
And I think that's really important because what we can all do, you know, I have a saying,

884
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,640
the only thing bigger than too big to fail is too small to shut down.

885
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,080
You don't want one person holding on to all the information.

886
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:09,080
You want them to create the capability to spread around the tools so that other people

887
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,240
working actually independently, there's no consensus building.

888
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,360
There's no just people looking around.

889
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,360
Here's what I see.

890
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,360
Here's my evidence.

891
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,520
And then other people bringing it together.

892
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:21,800
I love this conversation.

893
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:22,800
Okay.

894
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,520
Now I'm going to make a proposal just and this is something that this is an idea, you

895
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:33,320
know, it's worth beating on perfectly happy for for everyone to beat on this idea.

896
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,320
What if what if we were if we and when I say we I'm going to use that very loosely.

897
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,200
Maybe it's the four of us, maybe some other people, maybe, you know, mix match, pull people

898
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,720
out, push people in where they need to.

899
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:53,280
What about running some sort of a modern journalism class that involves all of this, all of this

900
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,720
conversation right here.

901
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,120
Here's the techie side of journalism.

902
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,560
This is the techie side of journalism.

903
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:04,200
And you know what, aiming at a combination of parents and children.

904
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,920
And the reason the reason to reach down to children with a class like this is because

905
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:15,240
when it comes to the use of new distributed technology, it's always the 12 year olds who

906
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,480
get this like, you know, they're the ones who will spend six hours a day for the next

907
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:25,720
17 days and just like instantly be, you know, where their parents will be after four months.

908
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:26,720
Right.

909
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:33,560
You know, but a class, you know, could we could we leverage this scale this into a class

910
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,440
that that that people would come take and be able to walk away with it, knowing how

911
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:44,000
to do these things, maybe have, you know, and even like Liam, when you said, you know,

912
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,080
cloud services, you know, I don't know which cloud services you use.

913
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:52,040
But you know, I've been using various ones for for 20 years now or so.

914
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:57,560
And and but but it may be that that we should go through a list of what does each one do

915
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,240
and why do you use two different ones for what reasons?

916
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,240
Right.

917
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,120
But yeah, you know, teach a class in it.

918
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,120
Thoughts?

919
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,920
I would definitely be able to contribute to something like that.

920
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,600
And I'd be ecstatic to contribute.

921
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaking of cloud cloud services, actually one of I started out from a position of the

922
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:19,720
cloud is evil.

923
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,000
We should all leave it, you know, to the maximum extent possible.

924
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,800
And for public information, I am softening on that, you know, websites are public.

925
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,640
Somebody can download it from your place.

926
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:33,280
Putting it on the cloud does not put you at any additional risk of exposure.

927
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:38,040
And so one of the things I've explored recently is for anyone who uses online hosting and

928
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,360
Mark might know what I mean by this is object storage.

929
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,360
It is very cheap posting for static files.

930
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,480
Some people even use this to host their static websites.

931
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,320
And I think for even, you know, if you have backups of information that you just want

932
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,320
to exist, you can throw it on an object storage bucket for cheaper than, you know, a lot of

933
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:03,200
cloud Google storage plans anyways, simply because it's optimized for storing, you know,

934
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,920
whether it's videos, audio clips, images, whatever.

935
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,420
I think object storage now, yes, there's Amazon S3, but there's other different hosting providers

936
01:01:10,420 --> 01:01:12,500
have their versions of it.

937
01:01:12,500 --> 01:01:18,240
And I think it's a very powerful tool to leverage leverage for these kinds of situations.

938
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,960
And object storage, just so that I do you mean that that external hard drive?

939
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:28,760
No, it's like I was discussing in the context of cloud options and object storage is something

940
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,060
you'll buy from, say, your web hosting provider.

941
01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:37,280
And what makes object storage special is that it's easily automated by tools.

942
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,220
So for instance, I run my own Fedover server that sends all its attachments to so when

943
01:01:43,220 --> 01:01:48,320
somebody makes a post, that attachment is actually on the object storage server.

944
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:53,920
Why do I bother with this so that the database for that exists on my machine, but the attachments

945
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,000
will load faster from that object storage.

946
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,440
So people could stop and get you rewind.

947
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,180
I still don't know the definition of object storage.

948
01:02:03,180 --> 01:02:07,960
So you're you're you're far down my.

949
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:15,120
It's a cloud service that lets you or programs you run store files.

950
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:20,960
And they can read you to drive it as content addressable storage.

951
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,480
Not really, because it's still got like its own URL.

952
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,880
But it's it's how it is is basically they call it a bucket.

953
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:33,220
You have this bucket that through scripts or whatever your software is running, it throws

954
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:34,220
files on.

955
01:02:34,220 --> 01:02:37,960
So what's nice is that that object storage has a ton.

956
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,520
It's way faster than my home connection, as an example, which is why I use it for attachments

957
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:49,000
on my Fedover server is that I don't if somebody loads my profile on it, my page will load

958
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,440
at a normal pace because my home Internet can handle that.

959
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,160
But then the attachments say there's a video.

960
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:59,260
I just uploaded a video of Danny Rancourt talking recently that will load from the bucket.

961
01:02:59,260 --> 01:03:00,260
And that's in the cloud.

962
01:03:00,260 --> 01:03:03,400
And that has way faster bandwidth than my own home connection.

963
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,640
So it's the objects that people are referencing are stored in the cloud.

964
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,800
So it doesn't have to go through the smaller pipe.

965
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:10,800
Right.

966
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:11,800
Your house.

967
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,080
And it's I think it's cheaper than Google Drive in a lot of ways.

968
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,120
I get 250 gigs for five dollars a month.

969
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,320
I don't know how competitive that is with cloud storage these days.

970
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,320
I see.

971
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,440
So then this is especially useful with videos in particular.

972
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:32,920
I think you could build your own YouTube on top of object storage if that was your goal.

973
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,320
But just for your own videos, not for you know, if you want everybody to use it, then

974
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,600
you pay out the wazoo.

975
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:41,520
But just if you have a small amount of videos, create a static website, throw your videos

976
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,160
on object storage, badda bing, badda boom.

977
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:44,400
It won't cost you much.

978
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,320
I like it.

979
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,360
I do like I do like the idea, Matt.

980
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:59,360
The only thing and maybe this is a picnic, as you were saying earlier, is I've been

981
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:05,120
trying to get the definitions right or the delineation between journalism and research.

982
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:10,800
I do I do mostly research and made it data management and archival.

983
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:15,840
And I would have nothing to work with if we didn't have people doing the journal out there.

984
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,920
You know, what did people say?

985
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,040
Who you know, what do I use for my sources?

986
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,040
Right.

987
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:27,360
And it's great to go out to events and to be part of that conversation and to provide

988
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,920
a journal of stuff that other people can then use as a source.

989
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,640
Many journalists do research.

990
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,480
Many researchers do some journalism.

991
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,720
I tend to be more on the research side.

992
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:43,340
And I say that because I've seen there are journalists who have really put themselves

993
01:04:43,340 --> 01:04:45,960
into serious harm.

994
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:51,320
And it's not appropriate for me to say that the work that I do is that it should be on

995
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:52,320
par with that.

996
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,220
It's a different skill set with different sets of risks.

997
01:04:56,220 --> 01:05:00,260
But there's I think we there's plenty of room at the table for both groups right here and

998
01:05:00,260 --> 01:05:02,120
for people who do that crossover.

999
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,520
Yeah, that's a good distinction.

1000
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:05,520
And you're right.

1001
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,160
I shouldn't I shouldn't make it sound overly focused on journalism.

1002
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:14,520
Research is actually the more specific basic skill, I guess.

1003
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:21,200
And then journalism includes, you know, a different skill set that can involve it, but

1004
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,920
but involves a lot of different work.

1005
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:29,040
So this crossover and most people do a little bit of both and we need each other.

1006
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:34,840
Just sometimes I find it can be helpful to know, you know, sort of, you know, like the

1007
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,600
different interfaces that are that are out there.

1008
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:44,280
And when someone is, you know, doing a lot of journalism to, you know, they sometimes

1009
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,520
they need support, you know, to do whatever travels.

1010
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,760
It's a different type of support structure.

1011
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:50,760
Yeah.

1012
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,080
And this is a question of like even before we were to build such a class, we would want

1013
01:05:55,080 --> 01:06:00,640
to talk this through it like what you're doing is you're pointing to an architecture of knowledge

1014
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,960
and to to walk through what that is.

1015
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,680
Somebody somebody may have like a good chart out there that already does this or something.

1016
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:14,520
This may be part of the education that that that we're sort of stumbling on as we as we

1017
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,600
imagine the need to distribute this outward.

1018
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:22,640
But or maybe we're recognizing right now what that architecture is.

1019
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,160
But there are different forms of it.

1020
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,160
But that's good.

1021
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,360
Awesome.

1022
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,420
Now I'm curious.

1023
01:06:29,420 --> 01:06:34,240
So research and journalism, I think you're totally right.

1024
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:35,920
Crossover but they're also distinct.

1025
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:43,320
And one thing that so in my work, I've worked with the Canadian COVID Care Alliance on preparing,

1026
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:51,480
you know, research based, you know, everything from simple information gathering and education

1027
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:57,600
all the way to, you know, very well detailed position papers and letters to elected officials

1028
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,080
and such on complex issues.

1029
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:07,800
The point is, with that as an example, there are times where the priority is making an

1030
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:14,080
effective argument, and then there are times where it's the opposite, where all you're

1031
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:22,640
trying to do is summarize the most complete version of the the data or the facts, the

1032
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,780
information, the resources that you can.

1033
01:07:25,780 --> 01:07:30,240
But it seems oftentimes, in my experience, at least working on our campfire wiki, you

1034
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,000
find yourself doing a bit of both.

1035
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,120
And there's bias, just like with Wikipedia, there's bias.

1036
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,080
What's the scope of a project?

1037
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:39,960
And who are the people contributing to it?

1038
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,040
And what's what is the self stated mandate?

1039
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:50,800
What are people asking for all of these things, I think affect affect how the same information

1040
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,280
can then be presented.

1041
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:58,840
So I'm curious, in your work, well, broadly, what's your perspective on that?

1042
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:05,080
But in your work, what do you find is your priority between those two?

1043
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:10,200
If I'll jump straight in, I would say, please, I would say there's three different disciplines.

1044
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,780
There is research journalism.

1045
01:08:11,780 --> 01:08:15,920
And the third one I would add is advocacy, which is what you brought up in the COVID

1046
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:16,920
Care Alliance.

1047
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:21,900
To be honest, while there is some research part of what I'm doing, I do consider the

1048
01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:28,840
Libra Solutions Network a advocacy project, where I am trying to really emphasize why

1049
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:35,480
people would want to do various things as a means of undermining information control.

1050
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:38,400
And so to me, there are aspects of it.

1051
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,700
But to me, journalism is basically saying, what?

1052
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:46,940
And then research is trying to figure out how that works.

1053
01:08:46,940 --> 01:08:50,160
And then journalism will really present that in a way.

1054
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,380
And the arguments come out in the advocacy, because that's where your values are coming

1055
01:08:54,380 --> 01:08:55,380
out of it.

1056
01:08:55,380 --> 01:08:59,200
And so you're trying to figure out some goal or some even worldview you're trying to just

1057
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,160
explain so that it can be applied to different parts of things.

1058
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,160
And that's the direction I try to push.

1059
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:08,120
I'm not trying to tell someone, you need to do this, or you're a bad person if you're

1060
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,120
not doing this.

1061
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:13,120
I am merely just trying to say that with these goals in mind, I think this is a useful way

1062
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,720
of looking at it.

1063
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,000
That's an excellent breakdown.

1064
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:24,920
And yes, that's exactly what I was unable to put in towards, the advocacy part.

1065
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:31,600
Fortune enough to have some people who do a lot of research participate in my channels

1066
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,200
to be guests who are amazing advocates.

1067
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:39,280
And the one name that just comes to mind is my friend Paul G out in California, who just

1068
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:44,080
works with the best people in the country regarding wireless communication safety.

1069
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,080
That's wireamerica.org.

1070
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,600
He's not anti-wireless.

1071
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:53,520
He's just, you know, you don't need 4K video everywhere you go in the world.

1072
01:09:53,520 --> 01:10:00,160
And there is such a thing as a little bit too much wireless at certain times.

1073
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,160
And you know, what's safe levels for classrooms and stuff like that.

1074
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,600
He's an advocate.

1075
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,380
He's working with the state legislators.

1076
01:10:06,380 --> 01:10:10,640
He's helping people in other states put together constructive arguments.

1077
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,960
He's working with Scott McCullough.

1078
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,600
That's advocacy.

1079
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:19,120
And I deeply admire that.

1080
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:26,880
And I do some of that within the drug addiction space and recovery.

1081
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:31,440
But it's actually turned out to be the one area I do the most advocacy in is just how

1082
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:35,640
to, for people to protect their own data sets.

1083
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:41,360
And I think that's where it will carry me more so than advocacy on vaccine safety.

1084
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:49,000
While I may dig up a lot of stuff there, I don't foresee myself as being a leading voice

1085
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:54,080
putting together those arguments, whatever safety is.

1086
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,960
And I know different people have different opinions on that.

1087
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:59,080
And I don't want to get into that.

1088
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,360
But that's a great point.

1089
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:01,840
There is the advocacy part.

1090
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,920
But again, the advocates needs intelligence.

1091
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,160
They need actionable information.

1092
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:11,760
They need to know how to have their arguments constructed in a way that they can deliver

1093
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:16,520
a three-minute pitch on why certain things need to be done.

1094
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:21,360
And that hopefully is based off of good intelligence, good assessment and analysis, which in turn

1095
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,800
is based off sourcing.

1096
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,920
So there is a pipeline of information here.

1097
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:26,920
Yeah.

1098
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,800
That was a great question, Liam.

1099
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:32,800
Yeah.

1100
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:40,080
Well, and now I wonder, so in the context of what you're covering on the public front,

1101
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:45,480
because what you've got a two, in fact, both of you, but Mark's site is a great example

1102
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:56,120
where you have a dual module product or show or manifestation of your work as it stands

1103
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,840
currently, like what you're currently focusing on.

1104
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:07,300
You've got the presenting of the resource or the document, the item that you found collected

1105
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:09,860
into in terms of how it's accessible.

1106
01:12:09,860 --> 01:12:15,360
You've got it on profile pages of people, organizations, concepts.

1107
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:20,440
And as far as I can tell, there's no editorializing there beyond simply choosing what to include

1108
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:23,000
or not to include.

1109
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:27,920
And then on your show, that's where you have a much more open, robust kind of discussion

1110
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,400
back and forth.

1111
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:34,640
And importantly, the introduction of often people with different perspectives in your

1112
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:35,640
chats.

1113
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,980
I love your live streams and your community because of that.

1114
01:12:37,980 --> 01:12:42,240
People aren't afraid to say they don't think you're right or they think someone else in

1115
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,920
the chat maybe has it wrong.

1116
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,560
And oftentimes they're rather polite.

1117
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:55,720
But have you experienced what I've experienced, which is as you become known as someone who

1118
01:12:55,720 --> 01:13:05,080
has access to a repository of information, they start only wanting things that affirm

1119
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:09,360
an argument they're making, even if right beside it is information that sort of suggests

1120
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:14,480
at a minimum that the picture they're trying to advocate for isn't quite complete.

1121
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:15,480
Absolutely.

1122
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:16,480
Yeah.

1123
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:20,640
We're all there.

1124
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:21,920
Nobody wants to be wrong.

1125
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,480
I don't like to be wrong.

1126
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:26,320
Well, that's human nature.

1127
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:34,600
At some point, though, during my career, and it was just a blessed series of events.

1128
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:39,360
There is no college course on how to be an analyst.

1129
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:40,360
There is none.

1130
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:41,640
There's very few programs.

1131
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:46,400
There is a school that does competitive intelligence.

1132
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,800
And they have a good LinkedIn group.

1133
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,560
But at some point, you need to realize, or not you, I'm sorry, that's the wrong way of

1134
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:55,560
saying it.

1135
01:13:55,560 --> 01:14:03,280
At some point, as someone who grows into becoming an analyst, you realize, am I capable of genuinely

1136
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,720
working really hard to prove myself wrong?

1137
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,040
It's really hard to do.

1138
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:16,160
But if I can prove myself wrong before anyone else does, well, I'm going to stay ahead of

1139
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:17,240
the pack.

1140
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:25,760
So you have to, we have to constantly look at our own work and go, can I prove this wrong?

1141
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,480
And if it is, well, how do we adjust it?

1142
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:29,120
How do we tweak it?

1143
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,600
Because there's no prize for just being right.

1144
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:36,200
It would be for people to carry Mullis.

1145
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,760
There are a handful of scientists who are really good to look for for various lessons.

1146
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,000
There's a lot of fun in science.

1147
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,480
And there's the Feynman's who are good to look for, too, for certain types of fun.

1148
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:52,880
Kerry Mullis is one of those guys who's like, science is this adventure of trying to falsify

1149
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:53,880
your views.

1150
01:14:53,880 --> 01:15:00,300
And actually, this is actually the reason why I was asking you about how many times

1151
01:15:00,300 --> 01:15:02,760
you change your architecture.

1152
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:08,480
Because I think what has motivated me to change the architecture of my notes.

1153
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:10,200
And I'm on the fourth iteration.

1154
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,580
The third iteration was actually when I was trying to bring an operation uplift and turn

1155
01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:16,720
it into a group exercise.

1156
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:22,280
And that's sort of that I think ultimately for at least my use of my notes that turned

1157
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,860
into a failure.

1158
01:15:23,860 --> 01:15:28,220
And so a lot of my notes sort of stayed at version two, but with some things already

1159
01:15:28,220 --> 01:15:30,080
ported over to version three.

1160
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:37,100
And then as stories got more complex, I literally have 300 something partially written articles

1161
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:38,100
at any one point in time.

1162
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:42,140
And I didn't even realize I didn't have that Sinbad piece in an article yet.

1163
01:15:42,140 --> 01:15:47,660
I have it like in a half written article that's been sitting on a tab open on my computer

1164
01:15:47,660 --> 01:15:49,840
for like a month now.

1165
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,680
But I thought I had already put it in an article.

1166
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:52,680
You have.

1167
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,040
That was a big thing.

1168
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,160
Was that the one where we needed to say we knew somebody existed?

1169
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,480
But it was the follow up nation.

1170
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:04,880
And then I had a follow up article to that.

1171
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:10,200
And I think I had written up like I don't think I've put the video where Sinbad talks

1172
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,840
about having participated in this operation.

1173
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,220
And I've got a whole bunch of information about his military service and connections

1174
01:16:18,220 --> 01:16:19,560
to military intelligence.

1175
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:20,560
Understood.

1176
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:29,000
So yeah, like, you know, you get to a point where where architecture of your own information

1177
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,360
becomes important.

1178
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:36,960
And Mark, you're you're implying this in several of your observations today, where that relates

1179
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,920
to how it is you can see the information together.

1180
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:47,520
And I think that that does constantly like good organization constantly pierces your

1181
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:53,680
knowledge frameworks, you know, the things that might be your biases already, so that

1182
01:16:53,680 --> 01:17:00,560
when you aren't in your more myopic mode of research, you do make these grant these great

1183
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,080
observations all the time.

1184
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,080
This happens to me.

1185
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:08,120
I think it probably happens to anybody who's put together enough information that they

1186
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:13,920
have to zoom in and zoom out and see it in different resolutions and see it in ways that

1187
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,400
they didn't intend to focus on it the first time around.

1188
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:20,080
So I guess that that's part of the that's that's a lot of the reason I wanted to go

1189
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:21,080
down that road.

1190
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,800
And that's also part of the reason why I'd love to to have a class on it, because I feel

1191
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:30,680
like I have skipped past failure modes or I've hit failure modes multiple times.

1192
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,720
Some of that you you probably just skipped from because you it was already part of your

1193
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,200
nature from your job.

1194
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:37,200
Yeah.

1195
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,880
Well, and there's different ways.

1196
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,320
You know, there's some people need the mind maps.

1197
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,880
Some people need the timeline.

1198
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:48,720
Sometimes you just need the, you know, collections of raw data.

1199
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:54,920
And there's all different ways to and even, you know, just even within the timeline tools,

1200
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,840
do a search for all the different timeline platforms.

1201
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,060
It's about 40 of them.

1202
01:18:00,060 --> 01:18:01,840
Some of them do spans well.

1203
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,240
Some of them are single points.

1204
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,720
Some of them are more visually oriented.

1205
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:11,880
Some of them can can do they have different limitations on different types of grouping.

1206
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:19,680
Because all even just in timeline tools, there are so many different options and and ways

1207
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,720
to lay it out.

1208
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:28,360
And you know, you have to use several different tools every time you use another platform,

1209
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:29,360
another tool.

1210
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:30,360
Well, guess what?

1211
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:34,240
That's one more thing now that needs to be updated.

1212
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:41,440
So and and of course, if you would like not you, but we need to use things which can provide

1213
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:48,720
a that provides some ability to both be backed up that facilitate showing a concept, demonstrating

1214
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,000
a concept to another person.

1215
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:56,120
This is a platform that I found Tiki Toki.

1216
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,040
And it is a subscription based.

1217
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:59,840
It's not free.

1218
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:04,440
I chose this one because it's it's let's just say it's web based, right?

1219
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:05,440
It's cloud accessible.

1220
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:07,840
I don't need to host it locally.

1221
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,960
I like it because it has a basic 2D and a 3D.

1222
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:16,520
It's it's basically, you know, it provides some level visualization.

1223
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,600
You can zoom in, you can zoom out.

1224
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,760
But here there's again, you can have different lanes.

1225
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:24,040
You have to choose the granularity.

1226
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,280
You want just single point and time events.

1227
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,400
You want to do spans.

1228
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:32,120
The way that these links look and are presented are different.

1229
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:36,400
When you have a particular event, do you want to say it's in this group or that group?

1230
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,920
You know, is it is it related to I don't know, a pharma event?

1231
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:46,880
Is it related to the life, the birth or death of someone noteworthy?

1232
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:52,280
There are so many different ways to to map and visualize this data.

1233
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:59,200
But it's important to to at least try some of these things as a researcher, because when

1234
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:04,720
you're just you're relaxed, you're spending hours on end populating the data in there.

1235
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,280
So if something's going to happen, you're going to populate a data point and you're

1236
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:15,080
going to look at it and you go, I can't believe a happened the day before B.

1237
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,160
And like, how did I miss that?

1238
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:18,160
Right.

1239
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:19,160
How did I miss that?

1240
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:25,640
You know, the question, if you populate this with all kinds of information, do you put

1241
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:30,760
tags on them so you can say, now I want to look at everything just associated with remdesivir?

1242
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:35,040
Now I want to look at everything just associated with with the government.

1243
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:36,720
Now I want to look at it.

1244
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:44,200
Does it have that hide and just show there is categories, but the categories are they're

1245
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:45,480
binary.

1246
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:50,480
So you so this you know, these are concepts that gave are familiar.

1247
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:51,480
Right.

1248
01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:53,880
Is it is it a bit mask?

1249
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:54,880
Yeah.

1250
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,160
Can you choose multiple things?

1251
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,560
You know, a vent can be in multiple different categories at the same time.

1252
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:01,920
Whatever it's just one.

1253
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,240
Well, which one does it go into?

1254
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:10,040
Because if you only want to use some types of categories of information, you you may

1255
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:15,400
actually miss something that's really important because of the way it's categorized.

1256
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:19,000
This is a good yeah, this is probably one of their public ones.

1257
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,000
Right.

1258
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:21,000
No, I made this.

1259
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,280
Oh, this is you know.

1260
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:25,920
And I'm so proud of you, Liam.

1261
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,240
I'm so proud of you.

1262
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,280
Can you give us an introduction to this one?

1263
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:34,320
Yeah, so this is this is just one iteration of something that Matthew has been pushing

1264
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,440
for for a while, which is the Plandemonium timeline project.

1265
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:39,440
OK.

1266
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:44,440
And it's based on what you did with Remdesivir.

1267
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:47,080
I'm just trying to get it so we can actually see everything.

1268
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:53,640
But it's it's so so that so you introduced everybody and me in particular to this to

1269
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,320
this platform, which lets you go.

1270
01:21:55,320 --> 01:22:00,840
And as you say, so what what I've done just to explain is I've tried to take events that

1271
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,920
largely may seem unrelated or depending on who you're talking to.

1272
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,200
And that's why I want to qualify.

1273
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,880
This is an in-progress, you know, experiment of thoughts more so than anything official.

1274
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:12,720
I want to be really clear.

1275
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:17,680
But taking these these sort of potentially unrelated events and putting them up alongside

1276
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:23,520
each other, as you've done in the Remdesivir timeline and seeing what we get, you see various

1277
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:30,160
organizations being formed, various important cultural and geopolitical events taking place

1278
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,480
and then the ramifications of them.

1279
01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:40,560
You see various exercises that or some rather strange, supposedly fictional events that

1280
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,200
then in very short order seem to happen in real life.

1281
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:52,040
And no conclusion is required other than just look at the proximity of these events in time,

1282
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,680
you know, start to analyze, is there a cause and effect?

1283
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,200
You know, well, this is a good example.

1284
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:05,640
For example, LifeLog, the Department of Defense program, tracking everybody's life, everything

1285
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:10,160
they do forever, shutting down the exact day Facebook is initially founded.

1286
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,380
That's the kind of thing where, you know, I went into this knowing that was the case,

1287
01:23:13,380 --> 01:23:14,980
but perhaps someone didn't know that.

1288
01:23:14,980 --> 01:23:17,000
And now there you go back to back.

1289
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:21,540
You see all of these, you know, in the context of COVID, you've got bioterrorism exercises

1290
01:23:21,540 --> 01:23:22,960
going on.

1291
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:28,280
You've got various elected officials who throughout their careers even before, for example, taking

1292
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:32,880
the presidency were involved in some very interesting nations and their bio weapons

1293
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:33,880
programs.

1294
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:35,520
A great example of those events.

1295
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,180
They don't seem related to anything.

1296
01:23:37,180 --> 01:23:42,760
But when you're like, wow, well, look at all these things going on in 2005 in Ukraine.

1297
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:47,500
And when you see it together on a timeline, like, wow, okay, why did why did no one talk

1298
01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:48,500
about this?

1299
01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:54,400
Why didn't no one talk about the withdrawal of Ukraine from Iran with the AN-225, the

1300
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:59,760
only plane plane in the world capable of carrying a mobile bio lab at the same time that the

1301
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,960
anthrax mobile labs disappeared from Iraq?

1302
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,240
Like, oh, gee, you know, I'm not brilliant.

1303
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:12,040
I just happen to be the one of the first people that put those things on paper or electronically

1304
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:13,040
again.

1305
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,560
Well, anyone can do this.

1306
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:18,480
So many people can find so many things that are just sitting there.

1307
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:22,360
There's so much gold that's just inches below the surface all over the place.

1308
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:23,360
Yes.

1309
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:28,680
I would really bang the drum that the more people can do to independently create enough

1310
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:33,720
data to find these patterns, that's probably what scares them more than people saying tweets

1311
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,280
they don't like on Twitter.

1312
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:36,280
Yeah.

1313
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,280
And I just reached out.

1314
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,760
You know, this is a document that I have.

1315
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,200
It's 62 pages.

1316
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:47,200
I just put this up on my substack maybe four or five days ago.

1317
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,520
It was barely over half the size then.

1318
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:55,560
And just within a day, 25 pages had been added.

1319
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,000
It's fairly organized and dense.

1320
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:03,080
And then Liam can take this and put it on the timeline the way that he is.

1321
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:12,040
And what I have is sort of month by month, I mean, this is I'm guessing this is 10% populated,

1322
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:13,480
if not 5% populated.

1323
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:16,240
So it's month by month.

1324
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,800
You can mention something that happened where you don't have just one date, but you have

1325
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,920
just generally this happened this month or something like that.

1326
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:28,640
But then you can also start adding day by day.

1327
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,840
And we have it more populated once you get to 2020 and beyond.

1328
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:38,260
But even just like September 2019, you have all these events that occurred.

1329
01:25:38,260 --> 01:25:43,040
And every time I see more of these put next to each other, I'm just like, wow, you know,

1330
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:50,800
like there's too much going on in September of 2019 and October of 2019 not to view as

1331
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:57,560
suspicious at the very least, meaningful at the very least, right?

1332
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:04,960
And you see it better when it's all laid out, but all the way down to now, all the way down

1333
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:05,960
to April.

1334
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:10,120
So I guess Liam and I are building this as we go and we'll have better and better tools

1335
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,120
as we go.

1336
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,720
But yeah, thank you, Mark.

1337
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,040
Now I love it.

1338
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,040
I love it.

1339
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:22,880
I just want to share because Gabe, Gabe is a very smart man.

1340
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:29,400
He sent something in the back that I'm just going to pull up here.

1341
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:36,100
Now this is something that I think it might have been Tonica in Operation Uplift originally

1342
01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:39,960
sent me, but it went around in our in our chat there.

1343
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:47,040
This is the COVID-19 slash biodefense mafia chart graph thing that's put together by the

1344
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,720
anonymous Spartacus.

1345
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,500
I don't know very much about Spartacus.

1346
01:26:50,500 --> 01:26:51,900
Just disclaimer.

1347
01:26:51,900 --> 01:26:59,280
But I thought this as a tool was just fantastic.

1348
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:06,320
The tool itself is called Graph Commons and you can do what Spartacus did here.

1349
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:11,500
Well, you could start by looking through Spartacus's work here and seeing all of the connections

1350
01:27:11,500 --> 01:27:17,360
of the individuals and organizations that in the perspective of Spartacus are involved

1351
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:21,380
in the so-called planammonium, as we would like to call it.

1352
01:27:21,380 --> 01:27:31,680
And it's just like Tiki-Taki, you can do a lot with images and almost a mini wiki in

1353
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:36,460
itself and you can begin to connect to other pieces of information and use these different

1354
01:27:36,460 --> 01:27:42,600
tools to interlock and to almost look at the same set of information from entirely different

1355
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:48,760
perspectives like in ways that you wouldn't be able to synthesize without looking at it

1356
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:49,760
in a given way.

1357
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:55,000
So, I'm going to reference here for DTRA.mil, but that I have used, for example, as a Campfire

1358
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,000
wiki link.

1359
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,800
Now, I'm just going to pull this off the screen just in case there's any private stuff, but

1360
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,360
I am going to show one that I made.

1361
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:03,760
So these are some tools.

1362
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,160
These are some tools that anybody can use.

1363
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,480
As Mark says, there are paid things.

1364
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:12,720
You can't always have free access to everything, hopefully, because not everything is collecting

1365
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:13,720
your data.

1366
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:17,280
You want to pay for something that will be a good service and not have a trade-off like

1367
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:18,280
that.

1368
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:23,560
But yeah, I encourage other people to use these things as well.

1369
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:28,520
And I know everybody out there wants everything to be free.

1370
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:33,960
I think that the time of people's labor, things like that, that has to be part of the consideration.

1371
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,920
There are more and more people moving toward things like software as a service as opposed

1372
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,800
to intellectual property passive income.

1373
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:46,080
And I feel good about supporting those people when I see the work that they do to put this

1374
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:47,120
stuff together.

1375
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:53,680
And these types of graph software tools, when they first came out, they were in the hands

1376
01:28:53,680 --> 01:29:01,300
of exactly the forms of centralized journalism that maybe have pressure on them or connected

1377
01:29:01,300 --> 01:29:07,840
to intelligence agencies themselves or connected to at the very least powerful interests.

1378
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:12,680
And now they are available and teachable to everybody.

1379
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,200
And we can do this.

1380
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:20,680
And it's part of the increasing level of pressure that we can put on those gated systems.

1381
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:26,280
Well, for those who would like everything to be free, I would just point out that you

1382
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:31,480
would want to make sure your content is in a machine readable format, whether it's JSON,

1383
01:29:31,480 --> 01:29:32,760
XML, whatever.

1384
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:37,640
And if it's machine readable, then you could pay a competent programmer to build the same

1385
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:41,480
kind of accessible presentations on top of it.

1386
01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:46,680
The biggest challenge really is that your data does need to be standardized and accessible

1387
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:52,320
because if you just have a bunch of even spreadsheets actually do count as machine readable web

1388
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,360
pages, it depends.

1389
01:29:54,360 --> 01:30:00,640
And there's a lot of flexibility if we standardize things is really the point I'm trying to have

1390
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,840
our home here.

1391
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,600
Yes, absolutely.

1392
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,560
Wikipedia gives a little bit of standardization.

1393
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,640
It'll be like a biography of a person.

1394
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:15,040
There's basic fields, the way that's presented.

1395
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:20,400
Someone is a professor, where they go to school, who mentored them, if they're a company, number

1396
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,360
of employees, revenue.

1397
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:25,680
There's a little bit of that.

1398
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,760
But how do you index the world?

1399
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,640
I mean, how do you index everything?

1400
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:41,040
I don't know, but to make some of these tools, the automation capable, that work needs to

1401
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:42,040
be done.

1402
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:47,720
And look, much of these searches, the ability to search across 50,000 files, these are very

1403
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:54,920
powerful or 100,000 or millions are only possible because of the indexing capabilities of computers.

1404
01:30:54,920 --> 01:31:00,840
Nevertheless, it still comes down to just burning the midnight oil and a lot of hard

1405
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:05,480
work as researchers, organizing, sorting, indexing and so on.

1406
01:31:05,480 --> 01:31:11,480
So the computers aren't going to take over anytime soon, maybe someday, but it's not

1407
01:31:11,480 --> 01:31:13,760
anytime soon for sure.

1408
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:19,440
I think we're being hit with the psychological operation, which is you must choose between

1409
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:25,480
being a Luddite and accepting the brave new world.

1410
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:27,680
But no, I think that it's just the opposite.

1411
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:32,520
I think that we all need to up our games a little better.

1412
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:37,960
And as we up our games, that's when we take back the system.

1413
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:38,960
They're great tools.

1414
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:40,240
There's a lot of very powerful tools.

1415
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,840
Can we use them, respect them?

1416
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:47,760
I'm optimistic about it.

1417
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:54,280
There is a little bit of a, it does feel as though that like some of the chat GPT capabilities

1418
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:58,160
are being oversold or taking some things that are simple.

1419
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:02,840
And it's our concept was like, wow, it understands the basic sentences.

1420
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,760
It must be a massive supercomputer that does that.

1421
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:08,800
Like, well, not really.

1422
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:10,240
Here comes Skynet.

1423
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,840
Yeah, Skynet, not just yet.

1424
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,400
It wasn't supposed to rain today.

1425
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:16,400
It rained.

1426
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:20,880
We don't even have 12 hour weather predictions down yet in New England.

1427
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:25,160
So you know, maybe someday.

1428
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:29,520
I would go as far as to say a lot of the fear mongering also about sentience is to confuse

1429
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,440
people about other topics such as their own rights.

1430
01:32:32,440 --> 01:32:38,440
Oh, this computer has a whole other complicated domain that may be outside of the scope.

1431
01:32:38,440 --> 01:32:42,640
But I do think that there are multi layers to that.

1432
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:47,280
Well, unfortunately, we're coming up on while we're over an hour and a half now, this has

1433
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:52,360
been a tremendous and robust discussion exactly as I thought it would turn into.

1434
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:55,640
And we've got plenty to come back to at a later date.

1435
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:59,000
I hope both of you will rejoin us.

1436
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,760
In the meantime, let's let's speak of using these tools for good.

1437
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:07,080
Let's just one more time go through how each of us is is fighting the good fight.

1438
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:11,200
So Mark, any final thoughts anywhere you want to direct people?

1439
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:15,640
Anything specific you're working on that you think people would be most interested in or

1440
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:19,840
that you want them to find?

1441
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:25,400
We're doing a lot of research right now on this product of Remdesivir, how it was approved

1442
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:33,040
and the implications that it has in understanding this this pandemic.

1443
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:39,440
There's different people who are doing research and evangelism here that are have different

1444
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:45,440
goals. For examples, some people, the end goal is to just stop interventions which are

1445
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:47,280
doing bad things right now.

1446
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,240
We need to support those people.

1447
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:54,960
My goal is really thinking about how do we reduce the risk of something like this happening

1448
01:33:54,960 --> 01:34:01,400
again by having archived the stuff before it goes away.

1449
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:07,880
And I have a series of videos on this on my channel, Houston Tonic dot live, because of

1450
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:12,720
censorship, I can't leave stuff on YouTube, a lot of things up for that long.

1451
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:16,480
Although it's surprising some things I can leave up a lot longer than I would have thought

1452
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:17,760
possible.

1453
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,480
I don't even even myself, I don't have that algorithm down right away.

1454
01:34:21,480 --> 01:34:27,600
Most things I'll put backup copies onto, but shoot Odyssey, Rumble and just continuing

1455
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:28,600
on day by day.

1456
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,240
My channel is not for everyone for sure.

1457
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:36,640
But as you can see, sometimes I'm as excited about the methods of doing the research and

1458
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:44,880
finding things and how to organize it and where do we go from all the new potential

1459
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:50,640
of the Internet in the future as I am about the topics themselves.

1460
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,460
And it's been really great.

1461
01:34:52,460 --> 01:34:58,400
This was an unexpected introduction today, but I'm looking forward to another episode

1462
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:02,680
with Gabe and you, Liam and Matt.

1463
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:03,880
Wonderful.

1464
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,280
Thank you so much, Mark.

1465
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:11,360
Moving on to our very favorite Libre Solutions Network.

1466
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:20,440
Gabriel, you have a website, you have a substack and for me, as of yet untapped gold mine of

1467
01:35:20,440 --> 01:35:24,060
information that I'm trying to wrap my head around.

1468
01:35:24,060 --> 01:35:30,180
So with that in mind, can you remind people LibreSolutions.network is your website.

1469
01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:33,960
What else are you working on that you want people to go check out?

1470
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:37,120
Something that is particularly exciting to you right now.

1471
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,200
What do you want to leave people with?

1472
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:44,200
The biggest thing is that it really is a collection that I'm trying to grow not only in amount,

1473
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:46,640
but also the types of content.

1474
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:50,760
There are articles, some of them will include voiceovers and then the videos themselves

1475
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,800
will go on to my PeerTube channel that is linked directly.

1476
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:54,800
The embeds will work.

1477
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:56,360
You'll be able to click on to it.

1478
01:35:56,360 --> 01:36:01,320
And that's where I mirror either interviews like this or my own presentations on how to

1479
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:04,040
get certain things done.

1480
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:07,040
One of my first demos was how tracking links work.

1481
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:11,320
If you scroll down a little bit further, a lot of people aren't aware that in a lot of

1482
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:15,440
links you share after the question mark, there's a whole lot of other stuff being shared in

1483
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:18,960
that information that you may not want getting out there.

1484
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:24,160
To me, the scariest part about that is they can then map who's looking into this stuff.

1485
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:27,480
And to me, that is information we shouldn't allow to get out.

1486
01:36:27,480 --> 01:36:29,920
You have changed how I approach copying and pasting links.

1487
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:36,360
I was not aware of it until you put that, it must have been about six months ago in

1488
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:38,260
the Operation Uplift chat.

1489
01:36:38,260 --> 01:36:45,080
And I have ever since then, I have cut out all of the tracking material every time I

1490
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,320
remember to, which is almost every time.

1491
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:48,320
So thank you for that.

1492
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:49,840
This has been going on for years and years.

1493
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:55,240
I think I first noticed this like 15 years ago, but I didn't even make it a good enough

1494
01:36:55,240 --> 01:37:02,240
habit until more recently because I guess I was not deep diving as often.

1495
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:03,960
So it does need to be a habit.

1496
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,680
Yeah, I cut off everything after that question mark.

1497
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:08,760
I just want to mention this.

1498
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:14,480
Gabe is also helping, I'm kind of rebooting the education network that I was building

1499
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:19,720
that was my primary focus at the beginning of the pandemic before I dropped it to do

1500
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:22,360
all this drowning the earth and everything else.

1501
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:28,680
But he's helping rebuild the website and I just decided recently, which apparently Gabe

1502
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:33,220
enthusiastically approves of, we're going to open source all of our educational materials.

1503
01:37:33,220 --> 01:37:36,760
So I have thousands and thousands of pages of math curriculum.

1504
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:38,160
I'm just going to put it out there.

1505
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,560
I'm not going to bother to bind it into books.

1506
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:44,720
I mean, maybe we'll put it into books later if you prefer binding, maybe you can buy it,

1507
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:45,720
that's fine.

1508
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:50,520
But we're mostly focused instead on building a community.

1509
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:53,480
And the community is at locals.

1510
01:37:53,480 --> 01:37:56,560
We've just kind of started to like, you know, try to gather people.

1511
01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:00,640
So there's like 100 people here or like 99 as at this moment.

1512
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,720
But that's where I was thinking, you know, if we start hosting classes, I'm going to

1513
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:11,780
do like an adult math club, you know, sort of let people get a better sense of statistics,

1514
01:38:11,780 --> 01:38:16,780
for instance, by reminding them of the foundation, maybe helping them see it better than they

1515
01:38:16,780 --> 01:38:22,000
had the first time around when they were in school, and maybe then they will be less likely

1516
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:25,400
to be fooled by statistics or more likely to put together their own spreadsheets to

1517
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,320
follow data along.

1518
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:31,840
We can do something like, you know, really anything that is valuable, hopefully, like

1519
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:37,240
I want this to become a community that can just sort of begin to run its own classes.

1520
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:38,240
Right.

1521
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:45,360
And, you know, the business side of it would just be, you know, a few memberships to a

1522
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:46,480
locals community.

1523
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:53,520
I think that that will actually work in terms of, you know, being able to have enough revenue

1524
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:55,680
for interesting projects.

1525
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:56,680
Right.

1526
01:38:56,680 --> 01:39:04,480
So, yeah, you know, the website, well, we're still trying to rebrand all of the curriculum,

1527
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:10,040
pull off, you know, branding labels of my past schools and, you know, just put something,

1528
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:11,200
put a new face on it.

1529
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:15,680
But it will be up for, especially in this age, millions of new homeschoolers.

1530
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:19,960
That's a lot of people who will find at least some of that subset valuable and hopefully

1531
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,120
other people are going to provide it too.

1532
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:28,480
So that's one of the projects that I've been working on lately that I think fits in with

1533
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:29,880
all this.

1534
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:31,760
That's a booming market, Matt.

1535
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:35,120
That's a big market that's growing really fast for you to access.

1536
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:37,720
That's very smart.

1537
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaking of locals, we've been having a robust discussion over at roundingtheearth.locals.com.

1538
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:48,240
It is the best place where you can subscribe to the show if you want to become a free member.

1539
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:52,240
It's the best way to keep up to date with what the community is talking about.

1540
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:54,440
It's where we post all of our information.

1541
01:39:54,440 --> 01:39:56,120
We host our live streams there as well.

1542
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:59,320
And indeed, in the chat, we've been having questions.

1543
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:03,920
We've been having community members discussing amongst themselves, engaging with us as well.

1544
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:08,720
So and of course, if you do want to support the show financially, which is very helpful,

1545
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:13,440
you can do so for as little as five bucks a month and you get exclusive access to supporters

1546
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:16,400
only weekly live streams where we gossip.

1547
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:17,400
I'm just kidding.

1548
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:19,200
But they are very interesting, very fun.

1549
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:22,740
We had a music listening session a couple of weeks back.

1550
01:40:22,740 --> 01:40:25,120
Great community of people, real friendships being made.

1551
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:27,280
So roundingtheearth.locals.com.

1552
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:33,560
And I will put one more plug right at the end, which is the still growing, still probably

1553
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:37,860
underused but still awesome campfire.wiki.

1554
01:40:37,860 --> 01:40:43,520
It's where we're trying to in a lot of ways, we're following Mark's lead.

1555
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:51,080
We're trying to do what we think is an effective effort of gathering and arranging and presenting

1556
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:55,520
information as we find it in a way that isn't simply speculative.

1557
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,840
It's open minded discussion, research.

1558
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:02,160
But in the end, we're just trying to make sure things don't get memory hold.

1559
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:05,080
So campfire.wiki.

1560
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:08,320
And yeah, join us over there.

1561
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:14,200
Gentlemen, any final thoughts before I kick us all out and shut down the stream?

1562
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:17,640
It's been great.

1563
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:19,680
I had a great time.

1564
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:20,680
Thank you.

1565
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:21,680
Great.

1566
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:22,680
Yes.

1567
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:23,680
Lots of fun.

1568
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:24,680
Okay.

1569
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:25,680
Thank you guys so much.

1570
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:32,440
And thank you to everybody who has been watching on Rumble, Locals, Rockfin, Odyssey, CloudHub

1571
01:41:32,440 --> 01:41:34,360
and Facebook and also Twitch.

1572
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:36,240
Now quick heads up on Twitch.

1573
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:37,400
I don't know what happened.

1574
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:41,320
I can't get back into our Twitch account.

1575
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:43,840
I don't think anything nefarious happened.

1576
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,280
It's just given me some trouble.

1577
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:50,360
Yet I have been streaming live to Twitch on all of our recent streams.

1578
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,160
So if you are watching there, hello.

1579
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:53,280
Thank you so much.

1580
01:41:53,280 --> 01:42:00,120
And we will be back tomorrow for our weekly local supporters exclusive live stream.

1581
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,000
And I hope you all learned something today.

1582
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:05,680
There's lots of questions we didn't even get to because this is how broad and robust a

1583
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:12,400
topic and really whole area of societal change that we're undergoing.

1584
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:18,120
But don't hesitate to continue the discussion in the locals community or wherever else you

1585
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:19,720
may be hanging out with us.

1586
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:20,720
I've been Liam Sturgis.

1587
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:43,360
We will see you on the flippity flop.