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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Rounding the Earth podcast.

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Rounding the Earth is a multimedia education project based on the popular newsletter series

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published on Substack written by applied statistician and educator Matthew Crawford.

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Topics of discussion range from critical analysis of conventional wisdom to why my skin is so

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red and everything in between, in particular the ongoing plandemonium.

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Our goal is a careful examination of important topics and perspectives shaping the world

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that too few people talk about.

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Subscribe to Rounding the Earth on Substack, Rumble, and Locals to join a burgeoning research

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community and to help us unflatten the Earth.

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I made a joke last time, shout out to our BitShoot subscribers, it's because that's

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where the challenges to the premise of our name tend to come from.

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Anyway, my name is Liam Sturgis, I'm a musician, music producer, and writer slash editor coming

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at you live from the rainy Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, and I will be your host

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for today.

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Now, today, we're doing a bit of a different format as far as roundtables go.

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But as always, I want to introduce my co-host for the podcast and the author of Rounding

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the Earth, Matthew Crawford.

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How are you, Matthew?

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Hey, Liam, I'm doing okay.

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It's been a pretty exhausting few weeks, but I'm here.

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Well, to be fair, when has it not been an exhausting few weeks over the last few years?

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And I would also expand that to throughout your entire life.

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When has it not been an exhausting few weeks?

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There have been times when it was less exhausting than this, but the plandemonium has been pretty

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uniquely exhausting.

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Fair enough.

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So, the premise of today's show, I admit, there's a couple things I want to say off

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the bat, I've only got a limited window into the specifics of what we're going to talk

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about, as I'm sure most of the audience will relate.

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There's been some Twitter threads, there's been some higher profile, longer term discussions,

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and everyone involved, I consider friends.

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And I think a lot of people in the audience will feel the same way.

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We've got people who, some of whom, sure, maybe there's some people with more obvious

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interests in putting things one way or the other.

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You know, business and medical interests.

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I don't think we're mostly going to be talking about people that you know.

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What's that?

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I don't think we're mostly going to be talking about people that you know.

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So that's perhaps reassuring.

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So that's what I want to say is I'm coming into this, I'm very interested in hearing

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your perspective in hashing out what's going on.

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I want to hear details to the extent that it's appropriate to share them.

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And more than anything, like I put in the description, the focus in the end for all

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of us should be healthy solutions.

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So we're not here to gossip, we're not here to throw shade.

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You know, we're here to figure some stuff out.

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Does that seem reasonable as a premise?

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Yeah, I think you may misunderstand where we're going with this conversation.

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Excellent.

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Then I'm learning too, guys.

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So introduce it to us then what's going on?

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Yeah, there's a conversation about medical freedom movement.

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And I've said a few things that I want to expand into like a larger theoretical discussion

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about how people should should view each other in terms of good actors, bad actors, chaos

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agents, things like that.

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And I want to start with a theoretical framework that I think is missing and but but is highly

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important.

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And I think it's missing because primarily because there aren't really Bitcoiners in

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the medical freedom movement, not not so much, not at least upfront.

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That sounds like a strange statement to make.

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But there but specifically Bitcoiners have worked out the game theory of trust in a different

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way that everybody else has.

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And I'm going to start there, actually.

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And I'm sure a lot of people watching this will be wondering what does Bitcoin have to

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do with with whether or not there's controlled opposition in the medical freedom movement.

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But it's it's pretty tight and succinct once you hear it.

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Bitcoiners refer to Bitcoin as money for enemies.

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And there's a very specific reason behind that.

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I won't go into the full details, but what Bitcoin does that is unique is is that it

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solves what's called the Byzantine generals problem.

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And this is how the Byzantine generals problem works.

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Let's say that me and you and two other generals are trying to take a city.

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Maybe maybe the four of us are trying to we're trying to capture Omaha.

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And and you know, we've got knights on horseback and and men with pikes and swords and whatever.

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But we're on four sides of of the castle of Omaha.

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And and but and we need couriers to take messages from one another.

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And the reason is is because we don't know when the best time to attack is before we

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split up into four groups.

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We need to know that we are charging at the same time.

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If all four groups move simultaneously, we take Omaha.

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If we don't, if anybody stays behind, the defense will be too great and we will lose.

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We will lose our lives.

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So it's a pretty important problem.

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Well, we can send couriers back and forth, right, and time things.

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But let's say that courier comes on horseback and brings you a message that says Matthew

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is going to charge the castle at five a.m. tomorrow morning.

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How do you trust that the message has high fidelity?

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So this and this is the reason that cryptography was invented historically was being able to

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pass code back and forth between people so that they know that messages can be trusted.

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So if you're often involved, you know, killing the courier or capturing the courier and changing

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the message, all kinds of things like that.

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So cryptography was invented to prevent that.

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Well, it's even worse than that.

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You know, cryptography can be, you know, hacked at times.

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The most modern forms basically can't.

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You know, once you're to elliptical, you know, cryptography, you have to hack on like a physical

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level like key log in, put things like that.

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But you know, you want to be able to to orchestrate things and know that your rider themselves,

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you know, the horseback rider themselves is on your team, you know, all these things you

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need to solve the trust problem.

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So Bitcoin solves the trust problem by having a distributed group of computers solve the

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problem for them using an algorithm that is known, that is open source and public.

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So we don't really have that in real life, though, right?

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We don't have like an independent group of people who are verifying messages, you know,

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away from the Battle of Omaha.

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So so then what do you do?

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So here's my my proposal, which is that most people in the medical freedom movement are

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viewing leaders in the medical freedom movement in the wrong way.

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All these leaders are being assumed to be good actors for the most part.

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Now that's not to say that everybody does.

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There are people who think that Malone is that Robert Malone is some sort of an agent

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of some kind.

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And that's fine.

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There are people who think that Naomi Wolf is a plant because her husband is apparently

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friends with the guy who started Blackwater, the mercenary group and has Prince has has

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some very interesting political ties and allies and whatnot.

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There are people who think that.

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And I think of other names that that that I've heard conversation about.

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You know, Steve Kirsch comes from a background that might suggest, you know, he's not nobody.

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Yeah, Steve Kirsch is somebody who was present in DARPA programs as a child.

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And there is question over whether or not he actually invented the optical mouse or

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whether that was some sort of like an initiation.

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And that's actually a story that I'd like to talk about tomorrow during our locals on

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Wednesday night chat because I'm going to I'm going to put all the information about

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that together.

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So but one way or another, Brett Weinstein, I guess, would be another potential example.

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And I mentioned him because I've actually been in a little bit of conversation with

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him lately.

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And and and specifically that conversation involves like a little bit of like, how do

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you trust different actors?

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And like what I would say to Brett is he and I should not trust that each other are good

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actors.

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We the correct solution is that we should all assume that each other are bad actors.

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We should assume and this sounds strange.

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Like, why assume?

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Why make an assumption, a presumption?

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And the reason is not because we think that it's true or accused necessarily.

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The reason to do so is so that you don't fail the Byzantine generals problem.

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OK, does that mean that you don't get to attack the city of Omaha together?

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Well, maybe that's true.

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But what you what you definitely avoid is making the mistake of attacking the city of

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Omaha together, because that's the critical mistake.

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That's the one that loses everyone's life.

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And here's why I bring this up.

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You know, we are in a situation where and this is something that when Brett and I first

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exchanged words, maybe five years ago in a meeting that he held with a group called the

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Coalition of the Reasonable, he was talking about collectivists.

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And I said and I told him, I said, you know, there's an event coming and the collectivists

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are going to be wound up to come after us.

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And he and he said, no, he shouted.

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He startled everybody, I think, in the meeting.

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He didn't he didn't let me finish.

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But he was I guess he had a pretty immediate knee jerk reaction to that suggestion.

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But I mean, when you think about it, getting collectivists riled up into mobs, it only

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has one purpose.

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That is the reason for their existence is to come after the enemies of whoever's rallying

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them up.

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Low level collectivists, at least high level collectivists.

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You know, when you think about the Stalins and Linens and the Maus of the world or whatever,

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you know, those people are thinking strategically, you know, and they can state ideology and

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you can't prove that they don't believe the ideology.

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But at the low level, at the low level, you know, the reason for their existence is to

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do what Mao wanted them to do, which was to murder people in the streets, literally murder

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people in the streets.

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So you know, what my suggestion is that you don't that you don't give trust to to a few

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But what we have, we have a medical freedom movement with about a dozen 800 pound gorillas

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who monopolize the media.

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And this is really critical.

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And it's very important.

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They monopolize the media.

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They collect information.

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They collect email lists.

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You know, I know for a fact that Steve Hirsch is that Steve Hirsch has a database of over

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a million emails, for instance.

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And those would be in from substack, primarily, I assume.

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Because that's that's part of what substack allows you to do is control your mailing list,

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which is valuable.

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So you're saying he's taking advantage of that.

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I know that the Roundtable Media Group has tens of millions of emails.

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The CEO of Roundtable Media bragged that to me.

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I know that part of the dispute between him and Carolina Bonita was that when the global

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COVID summit got started, somehow she got the early email list of people who were signing

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the statement that I believe was made in Rome, maybe late September, early October of 2021.

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Right.

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So, you know, whoever it is that Carolina Bonita works for with appears to have an email

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list of doctors and scientists who are signing that.

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These are really critical and really important because, you know, like just like Mao's 100

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Flowers movement.

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You know, when Mao said, hey, anybody who has a problem with what's going on, write

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me.

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I want to know.

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And what he did was he used that to create an immediate enemies list.

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And then those people were hunted down.

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And that's how the opposition was destroyed.

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It is a critical error.

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It is an existential error.

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And I bring this up because I know that like in the in the Bret Weinstein community, there's

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a conversation going on which I think goes in exactly the wrong direction.

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And it's something that I have talked about, which is something like a distributed leadership

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movement.

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I think that something like a distributed leadership movement should happen, but it should

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not be something where there is any kind of required activity that that results in people

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outing who they are.

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You know, that can't be the case.

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If you have a protocol of people's actions that distinguishes them in any way, shape

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or form, then they have identified themselves at the worst possible moment.

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And I do believe that we are facing some sort of an attempt at creating the communist threat

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on a level for the US or globally or something like that.

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And I think people should think that way.

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People should be thinking existentially.

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And you know, one of the things that that really worries me, though, is that I've seen

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a lot of strange behavior within the medical freedom movement of people in conflict that

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is not easily explainable except by sort of, I don't want to say orders, but guidance,

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you know, perhaps even a protocol, but it might even be orders that seems to be creating

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of conflict.

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And I do have one example that you and I were talking about.

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And this is why you may have been thinking we're going to talk mostly about people that

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we might know.

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There's one.

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There's a Twitter thread going on.

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And it's between Kevin McKernan and myself.

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It's actually a guy named Grant Smith, who has been on Rounding the Earth podcast.

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Good fellow.

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Military guy.

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He was discussing JJ Cooey's infectious clone theory on Twitter.

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And I haven't paid much attention to Twitter in a while, but he tagged me.

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And he asked me about my thoughts.

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And Kevin McKernan was giving reasons why he didn't think that the infectious clone

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hypothesis worked.

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But he wasn't really addressing the hypothesis.

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He was addressing, you know, he either doesn't have it right or he's inserting a straw man.

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And so, you know, I pointed out that Kevin doesn't give any evidence that distinguishes

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between that hypothesis and his own.

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And then Kevin starts coming back at me pretty hard, pretty aggressively, pretty quickly.

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And I'm just like, you know, hold up a little bit.

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I want to get some rest before answering this.

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And he's immediately just like, you know, saying things.

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Gosh, maybe I should look to his actual words without saying.

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Maybe I should share my screen.

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Yeah, yeah, that could work.

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And to be clear, I have critiqued Steve Hirsch pretty hard over the last few months.

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And I do.

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I don't believe he's a good actor.

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I believe he has lied to me consistently and many times over the past, you know, more than

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a year and a half that I've known him and that and that he was sort of running multiple

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groups without telling other people.

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And then I believe that he lied to me about who he was working with and communicating

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with.

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And specifically, I'll go ahead and say this.

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There's a lot of background context, which is, you know, who is Steve Hirsch?

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Why would people want to follow him?

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He is a, you know, he was a Rockefeller Foundation guy, which puts him in the vicinity of people

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who are very specifically involved in having created the plandemonium.

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Rockefeller Foundation, Rockefeller University has been involved in research and funding

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of research that would be the technology that could be used for whether you believe it's

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a gain of function or whether you believe that it's like the creation of infectious

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clones or whatever, you know, involved specifically in those sorts of research and possibly within

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well, within a lot of the obfuscation of medicine that would be ordinary medicine to be used

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during the pandemic.

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Steve himself funded the first trials on hydroxychloroquine that occurred in the U.S. at the University

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of Minnesota that were billed as showing that hydroxychloroquine didn't work, even though

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there was a false placebo used.

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It was a reactive placebo.

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What's that?

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Was it folate or folic acid?

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Folate.

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That's right.

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The trials were stopped short.

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Right.

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Hydroxychloroquine was working better.

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And then they said, well, we just don't have time to recruit enough people.

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Therefore it failed.

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And he hasn't really done much to speak out about how awful these trials were.

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And in fact, the scientist who was speaking out about it, who took, I can't remember if

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it was the Lancet or one of the other journals, to the mat, he hired that scientist who then

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stopped talking about it.

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Originally, I was going to launch this podcast, and this was before I knew you, with fireside

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chats with that scientist.

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But Steve hired him and he's stopped really talking.

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Then Steve ran fluvoxamine trials, which is interesting because the University of Minnesota

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is known for, the underground conversation would be they know how to falsify SSRI trials.

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And so there's a bit that looks suspicious there.

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That's not to say that there's bad actors involved, but co-funding-

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Sorry.

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And just to provide context, most people will already be familiar with the number of conversations

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we've had and probably followed JJ Cooley and Mark Kulak, where some of these conversations

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have also happened.

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Fluvoxamine being an SSRI, selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor, which is an antidepressant,

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much like Prozac, which is what we were talking about with Kim Wichtak a couple of weeks ago.

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So just to provide some clarity on what this drug is, what its context is.

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And when I resigned from Steve's Vaccine Steering Committee, he created this story out of thin

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air to say that Bulware, the trial researcher who ran the Hydroxychloroquine trials, that

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he stopped communication with Bulware because Bulware insulted me.

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And it was the story that seemed to gain sympathy like, like Matthew, I really like you.

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I've defended you, which is nonsense because he hung me out to drown on the DMED completely.

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But there's a lot of other things that we could talk about, things that he said or did

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dishonestly that kind of, you know, that were, that I view as attacks on me, that I

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think certainly are attacks on me.

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But he is, you know, in my experience, he's very sneaky.

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But I have emails to show that his story wasn't true.

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And I was so stunned that I didn't explain it to his committee then.

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I should have stopped and said, like, wow, like that's a story.

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That's a fabrication.

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And I have email, like, you know, I can say fabrication out loud because I have emails

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that show that that story is wrong.

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Actually, and just to be clear, I insulted Bulware.

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This is long after these trials, you know, were pretty clear in our community to have

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been just sham trials.

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You know, or at the very least the interpretation of them.

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But you know, I think sham trials, period.

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David Weissman's and five other people, like lots of different scientists reevaluated these

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trials and said, hey, actually, even though you stopped early, these are statistics and

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you had a false placebo, these are pretty statistically significant results once you

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do the math correctly.

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You know, and, you know, like statistically significant, like that's a term that a lot

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of people don't understand because they think that there's some sort of like magical algorithm

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for determining a p-value.

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And the truth is, there are infinitely many ways you can frame the results of a trial.

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And it's entirely up to judgment.

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But it's clear that like David Weissman's framing of the trial is simply more correct

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because he uses the actual known shipping time of medicine to people to determine the

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time of treatment.

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And they had not done that in the trial, apparently.

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And I believe they refused to share those notes with him.

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Or maybe they shared them with him, but only after like months and months of him prodding

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and poking or something like that.

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But he had actually just taken their own graph, like measured it out, even though they didn't

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give him the numbers.

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So weird stuff going on.

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Got it.

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So yeah, there's definitely weird stuff going on with that trial.

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And Steve could have at any moment in time just said, yeah, I'm going to go on record

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saying that these trials were conducted poorly.

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But he just hadn't.

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Instead, he emerged on the scene in 2021 talking about the vaccines.

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And what he could have done is said, look, take this away.

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Take away the obvious late treatment WHO trials.

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The Surgisphere fraud was, everybody knows that was a fraud.

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With early treatment, everything, all that you have left is positive results, basically.

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I mean, you have like, they're like, I think 10 studies that were specifically on immunocompromised

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people that suggest that early treatment might not work for them.

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Right.

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A stack deck.

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OK.

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But otherwise, otherwise, like all of the PEP, PrEP, early treatment trials, like almost

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all of them are positive, even if they didn't reach statistical significance individually.

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Harvard School of Public Medicine now agrees with me.

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So that's something.

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That's something.

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That's something.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, Steve is a person who was, you know, working with the Rockefeller Foundation

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and funding things that were, you know, absolutely, it looks on face like, hey, he's got an organization

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that's trying to fund this stuff.

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But it's interesting that he would have known very, very early on that hydroxychloroquine

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was one of the first things that people would pull off the shelf to test.

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And he's never really made much of a statement about that.

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Right.

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He's focused so much.

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And I think that it looks like when I step back and look, and this, you know, when I

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first met him, this wasn't true.

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So I didn't have this view at the time.

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But when I step back and I look at Steve, his substack appears to be, to me, the product

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of multiple people.

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And I've been, by the way, I've been in his documents, but multiple people were clearly

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typing into them at the same time.

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Like draft versions of Google Docs.

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Yeah.

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That makes sense.

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But, you know, it's sort of like saying over and over again, look, now I'm on your team.

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I'm the biggest anti-vaxxer in the world.

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And just, you know, vaccines are bad, vaccines are bad, vaccines are bad, vaccines are bad.

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How could you possibly doubt me if I'm saying vaccines are bad three times a day?

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Right.

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But this is this is somebody who is also building a central bank digital currency.

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Yeah.

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That was his job going into the pandemic.

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And he says he was fired from that company.

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I don't know if I believe that it happened the way that he says it happened, partially

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because at this point, I don't believe almost anything that he says.

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But he started another cryptocurrency company in May of last year.

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And while I was doing work on other things, he would constantly call me and ask me, like,

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you know, how would you build a stable current stable coin?

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And I consulted for him, you know, briefly on cryptocurrency trading, because I felt

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like and I had a conversation with him on the phone.

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It looks like you're doing dangerous things.

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Let me help you understand why.

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But he knows so little about Bitcoin cryptocurrency trading, any of that.

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It's just sort of bizarre.

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And his desire to soak up 100 million dollars from other people is so suspect that it really

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feels like just starving, you know, medical freedom movement of cash.

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And it's felt more like that, I guess, after I've watched what's gone with the gone on

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with America's frontline doctors, which told people, hey, we want to build a new hospital

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system for you.

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Yeah.

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We want to get you out of this mess this way.

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So they collected something like 50 million dollars and all the money's gone.

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Apparently, there's that internal audit where they said they had 30 million dollars missing.

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I've had people call me on the phone and say, hey, you know, this person in particular says

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that that Simone Gold went to him and asked him to launder money.

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So you know, I hearing these from independent sources kind of, you know, makes you like,

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is there is there a lot of leadership that we can't trust?

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I think that that people need to understand the game theory of the situation, which is

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we should not place our trust in in centralized leaders.

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People should be should be thinking, OK, I'm looking for information.

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I'll take an information.

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But I don't want to give up much information at all.

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And I don't want to act as a group.

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So I'm giving some explanation about Steve simply because I have so much specific knowledge

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about him and and situations where where I can point to and say, I'm pretty sure that's

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just a fabrication off off the tip of his tongue.

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But to finish explaining the day that I resigned from his vaccine steering committee, he said

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he said, oh, I stopped communication with Boyer because he insulted you.

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And this is a person I've seen, like on the phone with his lawyers, like, you know, of

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course, I wanted you to call me back.

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That's why I called you effing idiot.

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You know, stuff like that.

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You know, like he's a person who insults people routinely, verbally assaults them, you know,

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pretty ordinarily.

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He's also a person I've heard.

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He left his mic on during during a conversation with him.

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I heard him say that his kitten was a prop.

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That he bought a kitten to be a prop.

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I heard that out of his own mouth.

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Yeah, to be fair, it's a wonderful prop.

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You know, we've seen the episodes where there's four of us and each of our cats are running

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around in the background.

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So he's right.

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So and I'm sure he didn't know that I heard that.

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But, you know, so in the steering committee meeting, he says he says that that bullware

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insulted me.

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So he cut ties with bullware.

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But here's how here's how things really happened.

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He put me in a thread with bullware and an email thread.

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And I had been studying bullwares research for, you know, over a year at this point.

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And I was just like, why would you even put me in a thread with the psychopath?

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And I had hit reply all and bullware was in the was in the email.

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And and I'll just be frank about it.

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I did that intentionally.

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I wanted David Bullware to know that I am I feel pretty secure that that man is something

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grotesque.

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And and David Bullware said this violates decorum.

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And you know, and cut ties with Steve.

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But Steve told me later he said that he that he had mended fences with bullware that he

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had taught that he had called bullware.

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And and reestablished, you know, got over that hump or whatever, because he wanted to

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work with bullware again.

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So that is what he told me by phone.

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But in his vaccine steering committee meeting, he said they cut ties with bullware because

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bullware insulted me, though he didn't seem at all.

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It didn't seem at all worried that I had insulted bullware.

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He thought it was funny.

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And other people.

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I mean, yeah, it's speaking like this is a man who is not weak, like this is a man with

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with resource and power.

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And there is something satisfying about calling someone out if they're being one way or the

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other.

472
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Tell them they're being one way or the other.

473
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:23,740
So I and so I've gone after Steve and I feel pretty justified in doing so.

474
00:31:23,740 --> 00:31:27,000
And I have way more information than I've than I've even presented because it would

475
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,560
just take too long and I'll have the time to explain to people like, you know, I'm pretty

476
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,240
sure he's lying about this and this is why I'm pretty sure he's lying about this and

477
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,240
this is why I think that it's just a constant stream.

478
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,760
I think he is he's making up an image as he goes.

479
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,720
But the image has a very specific purpose.

480
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:51,600
And it's to it's to be an attention magnet is what I believe a lightning rod for attention.

481
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,160
And my belief is and this is this is the reason why we should think in terms of Byzantine

482
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:02,200
generals my personal belief, especially given that he was building a central bank digital

483
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,440
currency company, he started building another cryptocurrency company.

484
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,900
He's he was starting to he was talking about, you know, raising a bunch of money for trading

485
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:10,900
cryptocurrency.

486
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:15,720
And let's remember this is a guy who had a bunch of money parked with FTX or that was

487
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,120
vulnerable to the FTX disaster.

488
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:23,160
He says that he'd lost millions in the FTX.

489
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,160
I don't know the specifics.

490
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,360
Well, there's a number that were hit.

491
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,360
So right.

492
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,360
Right.

493
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,360
Exactly.

494
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:35,000
But so but he started another cryptocurrency company in May, which is interesting that

495
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,320
he hadn't even told me about.

496
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,160
He didn't even tell me he was doing that.

497
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,400
But I believe that it is probably another central bank digital currency company.

498
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,880
And I believe that he he caught wind of conversation about R.F.K.

499
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:54,080
Junior's possible run and intentionally planned to get out in front of that creating attention.

500
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,080
Yeah.

501
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,040
Because I believe that he wants to be attached and associated with R.F.K.

502
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Junior if and when R.F.K.

503
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,680
Junior is elected.

504
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,320
And I'll throw another piece of the conversation in here.

505
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,440
I think that there is a reasonable hope that R.F.K.

506
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,400
Junior is elected.

507
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,880
And I'll be plain about this.

508
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,680
I would lean toward voting for him.

509
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,480
You know, certainly compared to what, you know, the type.

510
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,280
Oh, yeah.

511
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,880
I'm neither a Republican or Democrat.

512
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,880
Yeah.

513
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,880
I'll also mention this.

514
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,640
I think that I have more trust.

515
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,640
I don't I don't know, Bobby, personally.

516
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,120
He's one of the several that I haven't talked to.

517
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:48,720
But I actually met his cousin in New York years ago when I was on Wall Street, Carolyn

518
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,800
Bissette, and she she she and she R.F.K.

519
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:59,160
Junior died in the plane crash the next year or like nine months after I met her.

520
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,520
But I liked her.

521
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:08,160
She was she was a very she seemed like somebody who was interested in getting other people

522
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,000
involved, like almost like that was her persona.

523
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,680
As in I met her, I met her because I was out I was out on the town with the head of government

524
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,960
bond trading from Goldman Sachs.

525
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,680
And it was me, you know, Wall Street.

526
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Wall Street.

527
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:23,680
Yeah.

528
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,320
It's a two of us and five other traders.

529
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,520
And we're walking into a bar restaurant where we're going to sit down and have a few drinks

530
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,640
together and just talk, you know.

531
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,200
And she comes running across the street, you know, Chris, Chris, Chris.

532
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,400
And it turns out they dated in college.

533
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,400
OK.

534
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,840
And so, you know, like and she, you know, she's talking to him and then she turns and

535
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,720
realizes that, like, you know, she had sort of interrupt, like that we weren't all talking

536
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:54,520
together because she had come in and and she she turns like and like ask each of us who

537
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,560
we are, you know, and brings us into the conversation that way.

538
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,560
Right.

539
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:05,700
Like, like she seemed like like a positive leader, you know, caring about other people.

540
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:10,960
So that's sort of that's a moment in my life that that that made me and you don't see a

541
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,520
lot of people like that in New York.

542
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,840
New York is not the most empathetic pool of people.

543
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,040
So you know, and then aside from that, you know, some of the people that I've talked

544
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,680
to and work with, the C.H.D. I've liked.

545
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,800
So so there's that.

546
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,400
So I, you know, I would cast a ballot for R.F.K.

547
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,520
Junior, at least at least currently.

548
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,600
You know, that's my thought.

549
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:40,320
But when I see the people who worries me, who might attach themselves to them.

550
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,320
Right.

551
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,760
And I think about Steve Kersh, I think, oh, well, he would be he would want for his central

552
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,280
bank digital currency to be the one that gets used.

553
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,280
Right.

554
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,720
That's a that's a many billion dollar profit proposal.

555
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:53,720
Right.

556
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,640
But, you know, why would I be thinking that way?

557
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,200
Well, I know that specifically there is a lawyer out there, former D.O.J.

558
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,960
Lawyer, whom I've talked to personally on multiple occasions.

559
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,600
He even asked me if I wanted to get involved in a lawsuit in in 2020.

560
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:15,480
I actually met him back in 2020 when I was being censored on Facebook.

561
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,480
And I was running an early treatment group discussion group.

562
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,920
You know, I'd been I'd been very early on these discussions about what was going wrong,

563
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,680
even though I wasn't really known as a public figure yet.

564
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,920
But so this lawyer, we had a discussion last year and he and he explained to me, he admitted

565
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:45,160
to me this plan of having just sort of a turnkey replacement of the highest positions in the

566
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,100
public health system.

567
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:52,020
And he mentioned names to me, mentioned Jay Bhattacharya, you know, he mentioned other

568
00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:56,200
names like, you know, this he mentioned Peter McCullough.

569
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,800
And and I'm not saying this name like.

570
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,720
You know, I don't want to necessarily refer to this like it's something nefarious.

571
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:04,720
Right.

572
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:08,760
I think Peter McCullough is somebody who I have plenty of reasons to like.

573
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,160
So I, you know, I'm just pointing this out because I think that this is actually, you

574
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,160
know, sort of an undercurrent of planning and that I think that the Malone McCullough

575
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,200
feud, if you want to call it that now, they appear together many times in public.

576
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,840
But there is Malone's feud with the Breggins.

577
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,800
I think that that's actually a proxy for Malone's feud with McCullough, which is when I say

578
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,720
feud, it's a rivalry, it seems to me.

579
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:45,560
And I think that it does relate to how each of them might be elevated if we win this battle

580
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,640
pushing back against medical authoritarianism.

581
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:56,320
And when you begin to recognize the politics on this level, you begin to recognize that

582
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,200
some people and, you know, I, you know, Kersh in particular was somebody who jumped into

583
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:09,600
things, you know, mid-2021 almost, you know, and he is the one who sort of brought Robert

584
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,960
Malone into public.

585
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,080
Yes, he did.

586
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,960
And when I look back at Steve's history, I see somebody who is, you know, associated

587
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,960
with DARPA.

588
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,520
And I'll make this more clear tomorrow night in our locals chat.

589
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,640
I believe that his story, I believe that he has a mythical origin story of having invented

590
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:34,480
the optical mouse, that it was conceived of other people prior to him that were involved

591
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:42,200
in a particular ARPA, the predecessor for DARPA project, and that he had connections

592
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,440
to those people, you know, when he went to MIT.

593
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,300
And so he has this sort of story, while I was always inventing things.

594
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:53,040
And so, you know, I just had this need for an optical mouse.

595
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,840
His story doesn't really make much sense, but he specifically bragged at the time about

596
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:06,120
having shown, you know, about Douglas Engelbart, who was the head of this Stanford Research

597
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,960
Institute DARPA program, about that guy liking his mouse.

598
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,820
But that was the guy who created a lot of the internet technology, right?

599
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:18,600
So Steve, you know, appears to have had connections with him.

600
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:25,560
But Steve places himself as a child, I guess, when sort of the internet's being initially

601
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,840
turned on, you know, amongst that group of people.

602
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,600
And amongst that group of people were people who had drawn out plans for optical mouse,

603
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,960
but they were working for Xerox at the time, so they didn't pursue it.

604
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,800
Or it's not they were working for Xerox, therefore they didn't pursue it.

605
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,080
But you know, they probably had other jobs and didn't have time to like, you know, put

606
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,720
together a prototype and decide which version they were going to use first.

607
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:59,220
So it's sort of it's a murky story in there that doesn't quite make sense until you think

608
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:04,480
of Steve Kirsch as an insider with DARPA and Stanford Research Institute.

609
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,320
And I'll add to that, you know, I was involved as a child in a Stanford Research Institute

610
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,760
project that became part of the DOD.

611
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,320
And it gets labeled the Remote Viewing Project.

612
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,960
And people think that the Remote Viewing Project was about studying paranormal activity.

613
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:20,960
It was not.

614
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,120
That's the surface level description that is a fabrication in order to keep people from

615
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,080
understanding what they were really doing.

616
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:36,200
But that project was more specifically about how it is you mess with people's minds in

617
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,760
order to get them to go along with your plans and believe you, which is that you just state

618
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,160
the same thing over and over again and lie so aggressively and so firmly that people

619
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,280
have a hard time imagining that you could do that.

620
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,320
That was literally part of what the program was about.

621
00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:00,120
And when I think about the fact that, you know, these DARPA technology programs and

622
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,580
all that these programs were coming out of the Stanford Research Institute at the same

623
00:41:04,580 --> 00:41:10,480
time in offices, you know, right down the hall from one another, it's the whole thing

624
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,820
feels a little bit sketchy.

625
00:41:11,820 --> 00:41:17,900
And everybody that I've sort of followed from those programs seems sketchy at the very least.

626
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:23,200
So people should be asking, you know, who these people are, because the amount of power

627
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,200
that each one of them can potentially wield is enormous.

628
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,040
It is so large that it could be catastrophic.

629
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,040
Yeah.

630
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:39,560
Well, and I think people in other contexts are very aware, you know, there's not really

631
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,320
such thing, for example, as a former intelligence agent.

632
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,960
That's sort of a built in fallacy.

633
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:57,120
So the point being, it is relevant that Steve Kirsch was in the room with DARPA funded engineers

634
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,280
starting the Internet.

635
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:07,040
It is relevant that Robert Malone worked alongside not for but alongside, you know, military

636
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,000
bio defense type agencies for his entire career until now.

637
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:18,480
They don't necessarily then imply conclusions, but they are something that must be understood,

638
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:25,160
you know, to frame who these people are compared to me or compared to anybody listening here.

639
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,160
You know, our stories are all different.

640
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,000
We've all got different backgrounds.

641
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:36,540
But why is it that for these people, it's somehow defamatory to point that out and say,

642
00:42:36,540 --> 00:42:39,160
there's some unresolved questions here.

643
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:45,000
If we are colleagues or if we're in this fight together or if you're saying one thing, but

644
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,440
it's sort of is contradicted by this historical fact.

645
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,040
That's sort of the point, I think.

646
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:58,240
And just to insert here, Watcherby says, isn't Bitcoin the obvious choice for the CBDC?

647
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,480
Why would Kirsch even imagine he can come up with a better one?

648
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,760
Now, I think you can answer this pretty easy.

649
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:03,760
Yeah.

650
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Well, Bitcoin is a decentralized network.

651
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:13,960
So it is the opposite of a centralized digital currency.

652
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,760
What a centralized digital currency would imply is that you have an organization that

653
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,960
can make decisions to censor people.

654
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,280
They can shut down your bank account.

655
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,160
They can ruin your life.

656
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,360
They can, you know what, they can do what may have started World War E with Russia,

657
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,040
which has cut you off from the rest of the world's financial networks.

658
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,040
Right.

659
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,600
And this is the reason why it is that we have countries all over the world forming this

660
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,960
BRICS organization.

661
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,680
And now China has organized Iran and Saudi Arabia to shake hands.

662
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:44,680
Yeah.

663
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,440
And beginning on board with that, which is, which is, I'm going to, maybe I'll come back

664
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,740
to that point because I actually, there's part of me that wonders if that's theater,

665
00:43:52,740 --> 00:43:58,260
because I see World War E as actually a fight between people who believe that leadership

666
00:43:58,260 --> 00:44:02,720
should be passed down through bloodlines and people who believe that leadership should

667
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:07,240
be passed down through cultural attainment and display of leadership.

668
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:12,120
That's the, that's the Sia Sunni split in Islam.

669
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:18,180
But I believe that there is, that there is a less overt split in every religion and set

670
00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:21,640
of institutions ultimately around the world.

671
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:31,360
So it's unclear to me, but it may be that, that those sort of enemies, I don't want to

672
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:37,560
use that word in some sort of like eternal mortal sense, but it, you know, if both of

673
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:43,120
those groups of people are tired of the US dollar, then, then, you know, it may simply

674
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,800
be that they get over that feud for whatever period of time it's getting over that hump.

675
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,760
So central bank digital currency allows central power.

676
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,120
Bitcoin does not.

677
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,840
The moment you have centralization of power, it loses its value because that's why people

678
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,240
would be on that network to begin with.

679
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:03,800
So if anybody ever had the majority of the power to where they could start censoring,

680
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:09,220
well, the Bitcoin network would probably start to try to cut those parts of the network out.

681
00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:12,360
That would be the immediate counter, you know, counter.

682
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:17,440
So anyhow, one way or another, you know, it's just, it's not going to be that way.

683
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:23,320
Now can I just point out, cause there's the relationship, it's clear there are people

684
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:30,120
who are attaching themselves to RFK for all sorts of reasons, you know, from completely

685
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:35,300
earnest and that he is a natural leader all the way to other more specific, precise political

686
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:37,580
or financial or power.

687
00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:41,920
So to be clear, but I just want to point this out, because you mentioned, you know, the

688
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,920
notion that Kirsh could potentially be vying for the power play on the CBDC front.

689
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,200
I just want to point this out in case you hadn't seen it.

690
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,520
This is RFK a couple of days ago.

691
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,360
The Fed just announced it will introduce its FedNow central bank digital currency in July.

692
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,520
CBDC's Greece, the slippery slope to financial slavery and political tyranny, so on, so forth.

693
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,080
He goes on the CBDC tied to digital ID and social credit score will allow the government

694
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,560
to freeze your assets or limit your spending to approve vendors.

695
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,760
If you fail to comply with arbitrary dictates, vaccine mandates, et cetera.

696
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,200
Point is, to me, this is a pretty based position by RFK.

697
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:24,040
And I thought this was a tremendous way for him to come out because as someone who has

698
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:29,000
also been thinking about Kirsh's relationship, knowing his background and then thinking about

699
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,160
if he were to be put in charge of something in a Kennedy administration.

700
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:38,640
Anyway, for this to be one of the first things he said sort of undercut the notion that Kirsh

701
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,320
has that kind of influence and not just Kirsh, but anybody specifically vying for the CBDC

702
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,320
control system.

703
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,320
I saw it was a good start.

704
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:52,160
He mentions 1933 and a lot of the politicians in charge at the time said, oh, well, we're

705
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,520
not going to take all your gold.

706
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,760
And then they took all the gold.

707
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,320
And then they took the gold, yeah.

708
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,440
And let's be reasonable.

709
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:07,040
A president doesn't necessarily have full control over all of that in the sense that

710
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:14,000
sometimes people in power are forced to make decisions that they hold their nose to make.

711
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Sure.

712
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,640
But the educational value, the fact that he's raising awareness.

713
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,640
Absolutely.

714
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,640
Absolutely.

715
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:21,640
Absolutely.

716
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,640
I like the statement a lot.

717
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,440
I'm not arguing with him here at all.

718
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,320
I just want to point out to people that doesn't mean that other people can't twist his arm.

719
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,320
Absolutely.

720
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,240
And that's important to understand.

721
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:40,800
And that Steve seems interested in going back to, hey, I want to make a whole bunch of money

722
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:47,640
with cryptocurrency over and over again, which it frightens the heck out of me.

723
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:53,200
Because just talking to him, he had so little understanding of cryptocurrency.

724
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,200
It was bizarre.

725
00:47:54,200 --> 00:48:00,840
It's also part of the reason why I don't believe that he invented the optical mouse after having

726
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,920
talked with him enough about math, problem solving, and other things.

727
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,480
There's nothing that I have seen that suggests that he was that level of whiz kid coming

728
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:16,960
out of MIT with the confidence to take all of his money and throw it into building this

729
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:17,960
optical mouse.

730
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:23,040
I mean, and I'll talk about that.

731
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,120
I don't want to dwell on this right now.

732
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,720
It's almost just funny to me.

733
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:34,080
Using the air.locals.com, our weekly support is only a live stream.

734
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:41,360
But right now, I'm in a Twitter thread that I got pulled into that turned, I've tried

735
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,360
to keep it not ugly.

736
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,240
I feel like I haven't just thrown insults.

737
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:53,280
I've called a couple of things nonsense because it felt like it veered in that level.

738
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,280
Do you want to share it on the screen?

739
00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:00,320
I'm going to share this part on the screen because I think that Kevin, who had been a

740
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:08,120
friend of mine, who I'd been working with a lot over the past year and a half-ish, we

741
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,760
would have phone calls and talk about genetics variants, things like that.

742
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:23,400
It's reached a point where I think he is just outright lying about our conversations in

743
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,560
order to be able to insult me or post stuff that contradicts me.

744
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:36,840
I think that it's knee-jerk contradiction, which has turned into the worst possible.

745
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,000
And I'll explain this part of the tweet thread right here.

746
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:47,320
I pointed out that he and I, last year in January, I got on the phone with him.

747
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,960
In fact, I called a number of geneticists.

748
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:58,240
Because Kevin and I were in the Steve's Steering Committee together, he's the one that I mentioned

749
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:00,680
publicly.

750
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,760
And he helped me with some of the language and some of the computations.

751
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,800
And I'll talk about what those were specifically.

752
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:14,060
But when I called him in January, he seemed not to believe that Omicron was just sprouted

753
00:50:14,060 --> 00:50:17,840
due to selection pressure.

754
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:27,280
I don't remember how committal he was to thinking that, but he seemed to be on my side of that

755
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,080
argument that it didn't look like it.

756
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:36,500
And specifically, when I wrote the Omicron hypothesis articles, where I walked through

757
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:45,400
all the reasons, genetic reasons, specifically I said, look, Omicron could have been another

758
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:51,560
part of the viral swarm that was in the background, or a strain competing within what we might

759
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:52,560
think of.

760
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,600
It might even be multiple swarms.

761
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,200
And we think of them all as coronavirus.

762
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,160
But some of them come through at different times, whatever.

763
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,160
And I didn't know.

764
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,240
I don't have a full model of that.

765
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:08,840
But when I mentioned, I said, look, maybe the vaccines, if they're effective, I still

766
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,480
don't think they're effective at all.

767
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,700
So I don't favor this theory, but he helped me name this theory.

768
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:18,640
For a little while, I thought, oh, maybe they were just painting the target, as in pushing

769
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,800
away one strain, and then suddenly, another one that was in the background has better

770
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:29,520
chance to propagate and be numerous enough to be caught by PCR testing.

771
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,240
And when I mentioned this theory to him, he named it.

772
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:33,880
Oh, he said, oh, like painting the target.

773
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,220
I was like, yeah, painting the target.

774
00:51:36,220 --> 00:51:42,160
And so he named that part of that branch of the Omicron hypothesis, that Omicron may have

775
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:50,240
already been there, but seemed to emerge because other strains got pushed away.

776
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,800
And so we had that conversation in January.

777
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,140
And I bring this out here.

778
00:51:54,140 --> 00:52:00,800
And he says, and of course, he says it in an insulting way, your poor note taking doesn't

779
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,160
get to re-craft history.

780
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,160
And he links to an article.

781
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:10,480
But I just want to point out this article is from September of 2021, the article that

782
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,520
he points to.

783
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:16,320
So it predates Omicron anyway.

784
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,560
So it's very weird to me that he's doing this.

785
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,180
I don't understand why he's doing this.

786
00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:27,440
But I believe that it's because I've come out and I guess you could say I've attacked

787
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,440
Kersh.

788
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,440
And you know what?

789
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,440
I have.

790
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:36,360
I think the man had attacked me numerous times in sneaky ways, too.

791
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,240
Just like I said, the story that he created in front of his vaccine steering committee.

792
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:46,080
And that wasn't the only time that he just said something in front of his committee that

793
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:53,840
was just like, does nobody here know that that's just weirdly pulled out of thin air?

794
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,440
But so I just told him, look, we had this conversation in January last year.

795
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,080
I didn't say January, but that was when it happened.

796
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,720
It was late January last year.

797
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,680
And then I called him again a few weeks later.

798
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,880
I think February would have to look back at my notes.

799
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,960
And I take notes on conversations.

800
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,240
I take lots of notes.

801
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:14,120
I'm a note taker.

802
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,560
The second one I have very detailed notes for because he and I did computations.

803
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:19,680
He started the computations.

804
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,480
I finished them after we got off the phone, but we did most of them together.

805
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,880
I said, hey, what is the weight of a single virion?

806
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,360
And how can we tell given mutation frequencies and rates?

807
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:39,240
I basically had the problem framed, but I wanted to walk through it with him, with his

808
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:43,040
guidance because it's the type of thing that he has more practice with.

809
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,360
But I had framed the problem already.

810
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,040
And he seemed in basic agreement with my framing.

811
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:55,480
And we seemed to agree, you're not going to get an exact answer, but you can at least

812
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,000
get something like a rough estimate.

813
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,960
And who cares if it's off by some proportion of an order of magnitude or not?

814
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,280
That's not the point.

815
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:14,000
The point is that given how far apart Omicron was evolutionarily from the rest of the branch,

816
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:23,960
that it would take about 800 pounds of virions going through one person to get from Delta

817
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:30,920
to Omicron according to what were known as mutation frequencies and rates at the time.

818
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,200
And mutation frequency and rate aren't quite the same.

819
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:40,280
Mutation rate is where you have frequency, but it's being guided by whatever the environmental

820
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:46,560
forces are that sculpt the interplay between the virus and the environment according to

821
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:52,080
whether or not you can have single nucleotide polymorphisms or whatever forms of mutations

822
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,940
happen, insertions, deletions, silations, whatever.

823
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:58,720
But you also have which ones of those survive.

824
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:04,760
So you can have mutations going on without shifting the genome potentially, but genomes

825
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,080
do shift over time.

826
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:15,640
So mutation frequency gives your underlying minimum, a floor.

827
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:20,800
Sorry, a ceiling on the mutation rate.

828
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:26,840
I don't know how clearly I said that, but that's the point is that because that's not

829
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,520
my profession, I don't go through that enough.

830
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:36,240
I called him and said, what's the weight and is this the way you would think about it?

831
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:38,600
And he seemed in agreement with me.

832
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,920
Now I finished the computations off the phone, but I mentioned them to him in one of Steve's

833
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,760
Vaccine Steering Committee meetings as I came up with 800 pounds.

834
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,600
And I had computed that there would only be like 200 pounds.

835
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:51,600
I can't remember.

836
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:52,600
I'd have to look back at my notes.

837
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,840
It was either 200 pounds of virions that exist in the whole world or that ever existed if

838
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:02,840
SARS-CoV-2 started when we were told it was started in late 2019.

839
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:12,620
So I don't know why it is that he would now be saying that he believes that Omicron was

840
00:56:12,620 --> 00:56:18,920
due to selective pressures or something like that and would push back at me this way.

841
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:27,280
But previously in the thread, what was going on, and the reason we bring this up is because

842
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,160
I believe this is him defending Steve.

843
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:36,200
And it's not the only time I've had a conflict over the past few days that seemed sort of

844
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:45,440
out of thin air intended to aggravate with really no reason behind it.

845
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,560
People look back at this thread.

846
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,200
I'm happy for everybody to make their own judgment.

847
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:57,760
He was attacking positions that weren't mine, like straw manning positions about the infectious

848
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:58,760
clone hypothesis.

849
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,000
And I kept stopping and saying, this doesn't really have anything to do with the way that

850
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,000
I see it.

851
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,600
And I said, can you frame my argument?

852
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,880
And other people jump in and say, yeah, that seems fair.

853
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:14,480
That's ordinary, polite scientific discussion is if we're debating between two hypotheses,

854
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,680
let's frame them so that we know we're interacting.

855
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,960
And nothing that he was saying was interacting, but he was being aggressive.

856
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,880
And even your poor note taking, he's slipping those things in.

857
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:30,840
And at one point in the threads when I was explaining, I'd gotten up early out of bed

858
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,680
to respond to some of these, I was like, I've been sick, I'm tired.

859
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,040
I'm getting out of bed after two hours in order to read this because he poked me like

860
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,600
acting like I wasn't even going to read the papers or the evidence or something like that.

861
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,880
And I had no idea what he was talking about.

862
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:51,400
It didn't interact with anything I said or thought or the way that I view the infectious

863
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,960
clone hypothesis.

864
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,780
Very weird, very aggressive in my opinion.

865
00:57:55,780 --> 00:58:00,560
But this is what I think proves that he's targeting me with this aggression.

866
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:10,440
He said, and even said, it's almost like projection or he said, I have no ill, I don't have any

867
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,000
hostility toward Matthew.

868
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,520
But it certainly feels that way.

869
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:23,720
But I feel like this point in the conversation proves that it's just like knee-jerk disagreement.

870
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:28,520
Because yeah, I mean, the article is prior to Omicron, but he and I definitely had the

871
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,120
conversations that I just explained.

872
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,480
And we had discussion about them in Steve's Vaccine Steering Committee.

873
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,320
So whoever was there witnessed that.

874
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:45,120
I may have even referenced Kevin in one of my Omicron hypothesis articles.

875
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,120
So long ago, I don't remember.

876
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,920
I'd have to look it up and see.

877
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,400
So it's very weird to me.

878
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:56,780
And the reason I bring this up is not even specifically to focus on this one.

879
00:58:56,780 --> 00:59:03,720
This happened amongst multiple members of Steve's Vaccine Steering Committee where they're

880
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:11,280
like mis-categorized, like in discussion groups or Twitter threads or whatever.

881
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:19,240
It feels like going out of their way to mis-characterize things that I've said.

882
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:32,600
Or it impacts on me in what feels like a coordinated but sort of elegantly understated way.

883
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:39,320
And I got so much spam this weekend that I had to spend hours going through and rearranging

884
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,080
my email folders.

885
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:47,400
And all these things together sort of felt coordinated.

886
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,200
So I'm just going to put it at that.

887
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:56,120
People can decide what they want, lots of nasty emails, but not sent from people who

888
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,080
could be identifiable.

889
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:04,560
But this and some of the other threads were definitely from people in the Steve's orbit,

890
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,840
if not his Steering Committee.

891
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:13,040
Yeah, because the premise of what you're saying, I've watched myself.

892
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,860
So I understand and agree with your premise.

893
01:00:16,860 --> 01:00:22,340
The hard part for me as someone, again, this is why I started by saying I like everybody

894
01:00:22,340 --> 01:00:23,340
involved here.

895
01:00:23,340 --> 01:00:30,680
So I'm coming at it from a perspective of I'm not on anybody's team.

896
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,760
So the thing that I try to reconcile is, so what is it?

897
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:41,320
Is it possible that this is instead of in the case of Kevin, we are dealing with some

898
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,760
very nuanced discussions.

899
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:50,400
And a tweet I put out, I tried to say just generally, Twitter as a communication mechanism

900
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,440
is not efficient.

901
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,120
It's almost designed.

902
01:00:55,120 --> 01:01:00,240
If there's design here, it's to make it so that you can't properly express the nuances

903
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:07,080
of tone or of when you're making a slight joke versus a direct insult.

904
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,080
And I'm not defending it.

905
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,760
I want to insert this in there.

906
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,840
I said I think it would be better to have this conversation offline.

907
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,120
Oh, did you?

908
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,120
Yeah.

909
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:16,120
So and there you go.

910
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:22,160
So I think to me, it's inevitable that there's an element of that here.

911
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:30,960
But I like I just I wonder, I think that step one, that is step one is saying the floor

912
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,920
is open to into like because we don't want to be gossiping.

913
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,220
We want to be looking at, OK, what the heck's going on?

914
01:01:37,220 --> 01:01:43,120
So if you've said there is an open stage, you know, a forum or private to discuss this

915
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,880
in more detail and try to figure it out.

916
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,960
I think that's that's bang on.

917
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,640
That's great.

918
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:59,680
Because I just I want to not get stuck in unresolved situations, right?

919
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,800
And there must be a resolution, even if it is to then no longer talk to someone.

920
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,920
That can be a resolution to if that's a choice.

921
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,360
You know, there's a weird hole between public and private.

922
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:17,360
There's there's the desire for things to be transparent, which is a desire for public,

923
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:18,480
right?

924
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:24,980
But if something reaches the point of being performative, like they're like I view this.

925
01:02:24,980 --> 01:02:25,980
Maybe I'm wrong.

926
01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:29,480
Maybe maybe maybe I have a distortion of perception about the whole thing.

927
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,160
Maybe Kevin has a distortion of perception about the whole thing.

928
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,360
You know, it didn't feel like science as curiosity.

929
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:42,000
It felt like a discussion of science as performative nonsense.

930
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,080
And you know, and that's part of the reason why I bring up the Stanford Research Institute

931
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:56,000
because because of their weird desire to research into sort of governance by mind control.

932
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,000
Right.

933
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:04,920
And, you know, that's I shouldn't say it's a known quantity, but I think that that if

934
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:10,160
and maybe one day I should do this as an open discussion like and I would like to, it just

935
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,960
hadn't been, you know, there's just so much to talk about.

936
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:18,900
But but, you know, explain to people that that's really what those programs were about.

937
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:23,880
So anyhow, yeah, it feels performative to me.

938
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:30,360
And that that's that's a reason to take something private is to cut off any, you know, human

939
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:38,840
flawed desire to make something performative if we have like a hook or if we have a mistake

940
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:46,920
in our reasoning that would keep us from pushing down a path too hard too quickly or something

941
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,920
like that.

942
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:54,280
Yeah, it yeah, absolutely.

943
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,440
Yeah, you know, people should.

944
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:07,240
But I think Twitter is a is is a strange, strange tool.

945
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:12,520
But I think that it is a strange tool because people do like to be performative on Twitter.

946
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:19,400
It's part of the reason I hadn't been on it as much the past few weeks or, you know, I,

947
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,000
you know, I kind of go in cycles once every few months.

948
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:28,600
It's not like thread or some threads, but I mostly just tweeting out one thing here and

949
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:33,320
there or using it to promote, you know, our discussions or something like that.

950
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:34,320
Right?

951
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,320
Right.

952
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,320
So, okay.

953
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,680
I mean, it's it's we are reaching turning point.

954
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:47,200
So zoom in to the bigger picture we have what it p so we have an interesting situation in

955
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,200
the states.

956
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,640
We also have sort of in a different sense in Canada and all over the world.

957
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:56,600
things are happening. I mean, in the medical freedom context, Switzerland has now removed

958
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:03,320
all recommendations for these specific products being labeled as vaccines. We've got,

959
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:12,600
I think there's a lawsuit being brought in maybe South Africa, anyway, but then zooming into the

960
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:18,840
American context, you have the US, the 2024 election, the never ending election cycle,

961
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:27,000
to be clear, but now the 2024 one coming up. And you've got, you've got likely Donald Trump

962
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:38,280
as the Republican candidate who has softened on his vaccine promotion stance. He's possibly an

963
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:45,080
ally to some in the medical freedom context. And then you've got RFK who, as I understand it,

964
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:51,640
is statistically, like it's not likely he will win the nomination, but the campaign itself is a

965
01:05:51,640 --> 01:06:01,000
tremendous opportunity and there's no reason to think it would not be a good thing. So you have

966
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,400
that going in the States and in Canada, we've got right now the National Citizens' Inquiry,

967
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:10,040
which is getting a lot of attention, which is also bringing in some interesting non-Canadian

968
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:15,960
people, specifically Dr. Robert Malone and Steve Kirsch, which I thought was interesting.

969
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,960
Can you repeat that? What is this?

970
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:25,800
So then do you remember when we had our, one week ago, our open science discussion with Jessica

971
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:33,400
and JJ and Jumi, and we talked about Jessica who's going to be presenting at this National Citizens'

972
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:45,160
Inquiry in a couple of days. So this event, this series of testimony, it's a level up from the

973
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,720
event that I participated in, the Citizens' Hearing, just before we launched the podcast.

974
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,520
So Steve has been selected to speak at that?

975
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:53,240
What's that?

976
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,680
Steve is speaking at that?

977
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,720
Steve has spoken, I believe, and so has Dr. Malone.

978
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:58,760
Okay.

979
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:06,680
Now, I'm not sure. I'm not directly involved with it. I don't know. You could see how they'd be,

980
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:12,520
I mean, they'd be default go-tos, I guess, if you're just kind of thinking of large names,

981
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:13,400
loud voices.

982
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:13,960
Yeah.

983
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:19,240
Interestingly, just one quick sidebar on that, apart from the fact that they're not Canadian,

984
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,080
they haven't had any impact on the Canadian, they're not related.

985
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:31,320
Steve just makes me cringe because, I mean, a lot of his stats that he posts, I will mention flaws

986
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,200
in them in email threads, but he'll completely ignore them.

987
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:35,000
Sure. Yeah.

988
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:43,400
And not only that, but he's a guy who he's known for trying to create these bets where he's talking

989
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:48,680
with the people who are going to be judges to sort out, to know who's going to win ahead of time.

990
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:56,600
There's so much that's questionable about his behavior that it just feels weird that people

991
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:04,200
let him come in to be a public figure. He inserted himself into things so late in the entire game

992
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:05,000
that it's...

993
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,200
He's a celebrity.

994
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:07,800
Say again?

995
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,160
He's a celebrity.

996
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:13,000
Yeah. And I helped him become that, unfortunately.

997
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:18,280
So there's that. And you could say similar things about the trajectory of Dr. Malone.

998
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:24,440
And what's interesting, so if I ask you, what's the most reasonable or the most obvious reason why

999
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:29,000
specifically Dr. Malone would have been invited to testify at this COVID specific event?

1000
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:36,680
Well, his is more understandable. And I know whether or not people out there trust Deepakurth

1001
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:41,240
or trust Robert Malone or don't trust him, I think that's a good question.

1002
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,160
Do you trust Deepakurth or trust Robert Malone or don't?

1003
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:49,160
He's obviously been a scientist within the vaccine world for a very long time.

1004
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:56,920
And his name is on the original patents. Whether or not he was a lead, you can debate that.

1005
01:08:57,480 --> 01:09:02,120
It makes a lot more sense. I mean, personally, I think that a lot of his views are flawed.

1006
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,640
And I spoke with him at a hearing in which he said, these vaccines are working as expected.

1007
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,080
Right. And that bothered me. It bothered me a lot.

1008
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,680
And there are a number of things that he's done and said that bothered me a lot.

1009
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:21,160
But that at least makes sense.

1010
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:27,000
So you would assume then that his presentation would be on that subject matter?

1011
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,360
No. Did he go off into the five generation warfare?

1012
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:38,200
So I haven't watched it. It's my understanding the majority of his presentation was about fifth

1013
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:39,880
generation warfare. Oh, God.

1014
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,600
I'm going to go ahead and say I'm just going to say this out loud. I think he started talking

1015
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,360
about it because I was talking about it. I think that was a direct I think that I

1016
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:53,320
think it's very clear. At least it looks that way to me in terms of the timing of your articles.

1017
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:57,960
He points to them and then the timing again of just when he then shifts his focus to that.

1018
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:03,000
If not, you may not have been the sole source, but certainly you were a contributing factor.

1019
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,000
I believe. I believe. Yeah.

1020
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:10,120
And I was talking about it for months in private before I ever said anything about it in an article.

1021
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:15,480
You know, that was a conversation that I think that I may have welled up.

1022
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:21,080
I've actually been talking about it since 2020, actually, like right out of the gate.

1023
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:26,280
But it took time. I always had other things that were more important to focus on.

1024
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,920
But when I when I hear him talk about it, he sounds like somebody who's like getting updated on it,

1025
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:37,000
like as we speak, not somebody who has like some general like long term sense, like having studied it.

1026
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:44,760
Now, that said, that said, he he is clearly around people like I mean, he's told me that he, you know,

1027
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:50,600
talks with friends and intelligence. He's mentioned publicly talks with friends with intelligence and

1028
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:56,840
he has like have you seen the strange music video where he's he's in this video with somebody who's

1029
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:03,240
from somebody who was trained at Fort Bragg in psychological warfare?

1030
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,320
No, I've only seen his most interesting man video.

1031
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,680
OK, OK. Maybe I'll play it tomorrow night.

1032
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,440
I have it, but I didn't like prepare to show it just now.

1033
01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:17,880
But it's very weird. And this is another thing that people should know.

1034
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:22,680
Like, you know, sort of the theme of this, what I came to talk about with you today was, you know,

1035
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:28,440
was why it is we should be careful putting too much trust centralized in one place.

1036
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:32,920
One of the things that Robert Malone's done recently that I really didn't like was in defending himself.

1037
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,120
He referred. He said, this is not a million dollar substack.

1038
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:38,440
Or something like that.

1039
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:39,960
Nobody's close.

1040
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:45,800
And and yeah, like I sat down with him, you know, over lunch in October.

1041
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:54,760
And he told me he told me that at that point in time and it was about nine months old, maybe.

1042
01:11:54,760 --> 01:12:00,760
His sub snack was nine months old that it was fifty thousand dollars a month or about six hundred thousand.

1043
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,320
So it's probably not much below a million.

1044
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:04,760
Maybe it's eight hundred thousand.

1045
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:05,400
Who knows?

1046
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:06,120
There's tax.

1047
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:11,080
But like saying it like that, saying it like like it.

1048
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,160
It's not a bad living.

1049
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:19,640
You know, like and I'm not like and like knowing that number, like I didn't like hear that number and think

1050
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,840
I'm going to point to that as something nefarious.

1051
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,640
But it bothered me to read him explain things that way.

1052
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:32,040
And in fact, you know, I've had a bit of a shift.

1053
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:38,120
I basically just don't trust him at this point, but it's a lot of factors that piled up.

1054
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:42,280
It also I think it goes hand in hand with the fact that he's been in the office for a while.

1055
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:47,800
It goes hand in hand with with me thinking through everything that I had observed with Steve

1056
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,520
and the fact that Steve brought him forth.

1057
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:57,160
I think that Steve has unexplained connections with the military industrial complex that go back

1058
01:12:58,520 --> 01:12:59,320
pretty good ways.

1059
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:06,200
And specifically, you know, and his explanation to me of breaking with the Rockefeller Foundation,

1060
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:10,280
just it seems so thin, you know, like he gives such thin answers

1061
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:18,520
to all of these things from the past that that, you know, people should have questions or,

1062
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,160
you know, thought about or worried about with him.

1063
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:22,120
Yeah.

1064
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,680
But yeah, I yeah.

1065
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:30,440
Well, I kind of I know the subject of tomorrow is going to be more on this,

1066
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:35,960
but I do just want to share just just one thing related to his foundation.

1067
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,360
If I can pull up the Campfire Wiki page here.

1068
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,560
You know, while you're doing that, I'm going to say this Robert and Robert Malone.

1069
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,160
And this is part of the reason why I wanted to bring up today.

1070
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:49,960
Robert Malone has this thing he said, I, you know, people should just trust me.

1071
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:56,520
You know, like he was arguing, like, I can't like, you know, give trust without receiving

1072
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,680
it or something like that, which is sort of nonsense.

1073
01:13:58,680 --> 01:13:59,480
It makes no sense.

1074
01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:04,440
He's somebody who has seemed to have stepped into the I'm going to talk about Bitcoin a little bit.

1075
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:06,280
I'm going to talk about decentralization.

1076
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,840
Decentralization, you know, principles of decentralization, except that he doesn't

1077
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,520
seem to understand them at all.

1078
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:12,680
Right.

1079
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:17,800
The whole point of decentralization is is is getting over what's called the prisoner's

1080
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:18,360
dilemma.

1081
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:22,920
The business general's problem is just a specific version of the prisoner's dilemma.

1082
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:29,160
But the prisoner's dilemma is where you have, you know, situations where you can't where

1083
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:33,480
it is rational in terms of getting the best outcome not to trust somebody.

1084
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:33,720
Yeah.

1085
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:33,960
Yeah.

1086
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:40,280
And and to say you should just leap past all sorts of interaction and testing of trust.

1087
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,760
It's kind of like, you know, would you tell your child?

1088
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:43,000
Sure.

1089
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,040
You can get back out of the van or the ice cream truck.

1090
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:50,120
No, you tell your child to, you know, be wary of strangers.

1091
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:56,120
You don't you don't lead them into an existential crisis, but that's exactly what the

1092
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,120
Byzantine general's problem says.

1093
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,480
So it like, you know, he just clearly doesn't understand.

1094
01:15:01,480 --> 01:15:03,720
And and in some sense, that's fine.

1095
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:08,040
I've known that he didn't understand those principles for a long time because when when

1096
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:13,000
I first started talking with Robert Malone, he came to some of Steve's Vaccine

1097
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:13,960
Steering Committee meetings.

1098
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,960
And I suggested when we're talking about how bad scientific publication was, I said,

1099
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,000
look, he said he was thinking of starting a journal.

1100
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:26,520
I said, hey, by the way, and this is my conversation with Kevin McCurran also recently.

1101
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:32,120
I said, hey, by the way, maybe you should think is before I knew Kevin was was doing

1102
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,760
anything, I said, you should think about doing something on the block chain.

1103
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:39,640
You know, and I could walk through you through with you and you can see from my

1104
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:43,240
conversation with Kevin that I've thought through the economics of this for years, actually.

1105
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:49,480
You know, and yeah, I said, hey, I could walk you through this.

1106
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:51,320
He just didn't respond to the email at all.

1107
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:57,800
Later, he got involved with the people in Puerto Rico to create this decentralized medicine

1108
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:58,520
company.

1109
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,240
And like, I looked at it and I knew it was going to fail instantly.

1110
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:06,920
And, you know, I said a couple of things to a couple of people just to see like I didn't

1111
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,360
want to like insert myself and go, you guys are doing this all wrong.

1112
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:10,600
Right.

1113
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:15,400
But like I sent messages to several people just like, you know, I can sort this out for

1114
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:15,640
you.

1115
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,920
I could explain what's right, what's wrong, what you know, what needs to be done.

1116
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,840
But they just completely, you know, they all just ignore me.

1117
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,720
Well, just while you brought up Roundtable, then I'm going to come back.

1118
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:30,280
You know what the name of that company is that you just mentioned that they started?

1119
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:31,320
The medical one.

1120
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:32,840
Yeah.

1121
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:34,520
Well, they call it DMED for short.

1122
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,520
They call it DMED for short.

1123
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:37,080
Yep.

1124
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:45,240
So anyway, so look, so first of all, just a couple of things, actually.

1125
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,880
Janet Greenie on Rockfin gave us a five dollar tip.

1126
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:49,480
Huge thanks, Janet.

1127
01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:50,360
That's very nice of you.

1128
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:51,800
And you do that fairly often.

1129
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,880
And that is very much appreciated.

1130
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:54,440
Thank you.

1131
01:16:54,440 --> 01:17:03,000
And also on on Rumble, Loopy says his argument with Robert Malone on the Dark Horse podcast

1132
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,040
seemed contrived to me.

1133
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:09,080
Dr. Malone's dispute with Peter Bregan and that lawsuit seems contrived to me.

1134
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,840
Hate to say it, but any dispute involving the public figures pushed to the forefront

1135
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:17,080
that seem like controlled opposition anti-vaxxers, it all seems contrived to me.

1136
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:22,120
I think the melodrama is to make it seem like they're all not working for the same people.

1137
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,600
Who pays Steve Kirsch to read his substack?

1138
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,840
Who would give money voluntarily to a millionaire?

1139
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:28,440
Yeah.

1140
01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:34,440
I mean, you know, I'm actually going to take a moment to defend Steve.

1141
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:38,840
Like, I don't believe that a millionaire necessarily should do his work for free.

1142
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,080
But I'll say this.

1143
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:46,920
When Steve started doing that substack, what he told me specifically was that he could

1144
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:52,280
use that money to fund trials and the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation.

1145
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:59,000
This is part of the reason why it just absolutely infuriated me that his rationale for taking

1146
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:04,680
in a hundred million dollars of people's money at a moment like this, when the markets could

1147
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:09,560
very well, when there are lots of signals, right, the market crashes when the Fed stops

1148
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,160
raising interest rates historically.

1149
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:11,880
Yeah.

1150
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:18,440
And Steve had, and I had advised Steve, you know, and was always willing to offer my opinions

1151
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:19,240
on these things.

1152
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,000
And he's, you know, totally ignored me.

1153
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,960
And, you know, obtusely ignored me.

1154
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:32,360
But I don't think that it's wrong for somebody who has a certain amount of money to charge

1155
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:33,160
for a service.

1156
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:33,640
Right.

1157
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:39,000
Whatever people can decide to pay if they think of it as funding his activities or funding

1158
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:42,520
other research, he's a guy who's poured millions of dollars into research.

1159
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:43,080
Right.

1160
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:49,480
And it may be that some of that is not good money spent.

1161
01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:53,080
It may be that some of it was intentionally not good money spent.

1162
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,480
But I can see the rationale.

1163
01:18:55,480 --> 01:19:00,760
And I'm not going to sit here and like preach that people who have money shouldn't ever

1164
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:01,800
make money again.

1165
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:02,440
You know?

1166
01:19:02,440 --> 01:19:02,920
Right.

1167
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:10,280
So but, but the fact of the matter is that he's been weird and dodgy about it all.

1168
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:16,040
And so Malone's dispute with the Breggins, I've never talked to the Breggins.

1169
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:20,600
Here's the way that I actually view the dispute with the Breggins is that the Breggins are

1170
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:23,880
a stand-in for McCullough.

1171
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:29,480
And then in a sense, Malone is taking the shot at McCullough within that rivalry.

1172
01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:35,000
But that the Breggins and Stu Peters, Stu Peters was easy to take a shot at.

1173
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,800
I mean, Stu Peters just seems like a walking target.

1174
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,760
I don't know if there's any merit to the Malone suit.

1175
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,680
And actually, the one time I tried to talk with Robert about it, he was just sort of

1176
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,800
in a frenzy and just, of course it's true.

1177
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:48,440
You know?

1178
01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:54,280
And privately, he's not as calm as you always see in person.

1179
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,800
You know, I've had conversations with him where he would just say, well, I'm going to

1180
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:03,640
go, I've had conversations with him where he just couldn't get him not to scream.

1181
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:07,800
But well, at least one conversation.

1182
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:13,720
But I don't know if that's contrived so much.

1183
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,720
But as in like...

1184
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,240
Ill-advised?

1185
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:18,120
Maybe ill-advised.

1186
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:23,160
I don't know if I think the Breggins side of that dispute is contrived.

1187
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:23,640
Right?

1188
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:30,200
So maybe that's what I want to say is I don't think that it's necessarily like an entire,

1189
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:31,800
entirely theater.

1190
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:32,280
Right?

1191
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,160
It may be contrived in the sense of what he's going after.

1192
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:36,120
Anyway, anyway.

1193
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:36,920
I don't know.

1194
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:37,400
Yeah.

1195
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,040
And just one last thing.

1196
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:41,080
Sorry, what's that?

1197
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,040
I said I don't know the specifics of the suit well enough, so I'm not going to comment more

1198
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:44,680
than that.

1199
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:45,640
Fair enough.

1200
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:50,040
Gabe Gallin says, is it just me or is there a lot of memory-holing of 2020?

1201
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:51,560
A lot of moves should be re-examined.

1202
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,720
And that is why we have the Campfire Wiki.

1203
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,080
That is exactly at least my mission statement.

1204
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:04,040
And others have articulated it in a way that then led me to go, oh my God, you're totally

1205
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:04,360
right.

1206
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:09,080
This needs to be captured and put in a way that's not revisionist.

1207
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:10,120
This is what was said.

1208
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,520
So looking as an example, I just want to show...

1209
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,920
So he's got a foundation, the Stephen and Michelle Kirsch Foundation.

1210
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:23,720
Now, the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation is a subsidiary of the Stephen and Michelle

1211
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,640
Kirsch Foundation, as far as I can tell.

1212
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,400
So just to be clear, that's what this is.

1213
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:31,160
And so just a quick skim, okay?

1214
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,120
Their areas of focus, they've been active for a long time.

1215
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:39,080
They clean up the air in California, eliminate nuclear weapons.

1216
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,320
They support Silicon Valley foundations.

1217
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:46,520
So you can see the crossover, of course, in interest with RFK.

1218
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:51,560
So they've also engaged in extensive lobbying and advocacy activities.

1219
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,040
That's a direct quote from their website.

1220
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,880
So they started in 99.

1221
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,240
And here's something that's interesting.

1222
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:03,560
I have started to look into the Silicon Valley Community Foundation.

1223
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:08,360
People need to understand that that is one of the groups that keeps popping up everywhere.

1224
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,840
They're like a Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation type.

1225
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:16,360
So they apparently started right at the root with the Silicon Valley Community Foundation.

1226
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,760
Back when it wasn't even, it was called something else.

1227
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,920
Two groups merged together, became Silicon Valley.

1228
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,760
So, and they've got a donor advised fund there.

1229
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,760
Now, there's this one anecdote that I found.

1230
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:36,440
In 1999, Stephen and Michelle announced a, not a $1, a $1 million, that should say,

1231
01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:39,320
emergency grant to United Way Silicon Valley.

1232
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:44,680
Steve then reached out to 65 of his wealthy colleagues, resulting in further donations

1233
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:50,200
from the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, eBay Foundation,

1234
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,640
Hewlett Packard Foundation, David and Lucille Packard Foundation.

1235
01:22:53,640 --> 01:23:00,760
David Packard, I learned today, was the president of Stanford, in addition to being the Packard

1236
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,840
in Hewlett Packard, Intel, Peninsula Community Foundation, and Health Trust.

1237
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:12,280
So this was an interesting anecdote that the idea was Steve emailed 65 of his closest,

1238
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,360
richest colleagues, including Gates.

1239
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:18,680
And I don't know if that means one of the Gateses themselves, or if it's representatives from

1240
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:24,200
their foundations, but this is something they, they have said is a crowning achievement.

1241
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,440
They helped save the United Way Silicon Valley.

1242
01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:26,940
Good stuff.

1243
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:29,000
Other stuff.

1244
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:31,420
Let's see.

1245
01:23:32,440 --> 01:23:33,960
And then there's, you mentioned,

1246
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,720
so the idea is Steve is not new to the pharmaceutical game, okay?

1247
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:42,520
In 2000, they invested in a company called Targasome, a biopharmaceutical company engaged

1248
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:47,960
in the development of proprietary receptor targeted agents to treat and diagnose cancer

1249
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:49,160
and other diseases.

1250
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:50,200
Sounds familiar.

1251
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:54,600
The company initiated a project with Merck, which would have seen the company's co-develop a cancer

1252
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:55,100
treatment.

1253
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,120
They published some stuff, and then it unfortunately went under.

1254
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:03,560
He's also engaged in educational projects.

1255
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:12,680
And yeah, and so they've given grants to, you know, a lot of interesting groups.

1256
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:16,440
The Red Cross, the Aspen Institute is a think tank, Dana-Farber Cancer.

1257
01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:19,160
Yeah, you know, since humans, cancer, I want to insert this in.

1258
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,320
So my wife's a cancer researcher, right?

1259
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:24,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1260
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:29,960
Yeah, and you know, she studies the P53 pathway, you know, bleeding edge stuff.

1261
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,560
Just because his response to me was so interesting.

1262
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:35,880
I brought this up to Steve multiple times.

1263
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:41,160
You know, the first time I mentioned it to him, he didn't ask me about her work at all.

1264
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:47,000
And it was sort of interesting to me that I brought this up and he had like zero interest.

1265
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,560
So I brought it up again and again and again.

1266
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:57,880
And never once did he even ask me to explain the work she was doing or how it could apply to things.

1267
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:03,800
And I even like, you know, specifically, you know, I would insert little things about it, like, oh,

1268
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:11,880
you know, she's studying the three isoforms, which can turn off and on tumor suppression and like,

1269
01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:13,640
shows no interest whatsoever.

1270
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:19,720
So, you know, this is over a year and a half, you know, we're, you know, I met Steve almost two years,

1271
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:24,440
or, you know, met, you know, first by clubhouse, you know, my phone, by Zoom meetings, whatever.

1272
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,320
You know, almost two years ago.

1273
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:29,880
Not interested in.

1274
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:36,040
And recall, as far as I understand, and I'm fairly certain he at one point himself was diagnosed

1275
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:39,800
with a form of cancer, and that's what led him to get into cancer research.

1276
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:41,960
So this is not an insignificant issue for him.

1277
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:43,160
So to your point.

1278
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:48,920
And I will say this, having, having, you know,

1279
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,320
been around him at this point, I'm not sure I trust any story that he tells about himself.

1280
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,320
Right, right. Be skeptical.

1281
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:56,120
That's the message.

1282
01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:00,680
And I just want to foot on rumble says, I don't remember any memory holes.

1283
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:04,920
I spend most of my days dragging the corpses caused by the pandemic of the unvaccinated from

1284
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,280
the streets to the graveyard.

1285
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:08,760
Yeah, something like that.

1286
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,680
We have to get my friend foot on as a guest soon.

1287
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:15,480
He is.

1288
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:16,600
We'll talk about it later.

1289
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,000
He's a very multi talented man.

1290
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:21,720
So yeah, so have we.

1291
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:22,760
So I think so.

1292
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,000
We've talked about the situation with our R.F.K.

1293
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,320
We've alluded to this kind of turning point.

1294
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:29,320
We're having a similar thing happen in Canada.

1295
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,840
There's a conservative power base that appears to be coming forward.

1296
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:38,200
Pierre Poliev is not what I thought he was in my opinion.

1297
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:42,520
Anyway, we're at this interesting phase in in our journey.

1298
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:43,000
I think.

1299
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,960
Is there anything else that you would like to add?

1300
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:51,400
Uh, that you wanted to talk about before simply reminding people to become members of our

1301
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,480
locals community so they can join us tomorrow for our supporters exclusive live stream.

1302
01:26:55,480 --> 01:27:02,280
Though I have to say, JJ Cooey is supposed to be presenting to the Canadian COVID Care Alliance.

1303
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,000
So I will likely be going to that.

1304
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,160
So we may just have to adjust time slightly.

1305
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:08,360
Just a heads up.

1306
01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:12,360
That overlaps with our usual Wednesday night slot.

1307
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:13,400
It always overlaps.

1308
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,320
I've just been coming to ours mostly.

1309
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:15,880
Yeah.

1310
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:16,920
OK, well, you know what?

1311
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:19,000
Well, we can talk.

1312
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:20,120
We can figure out what we're doing.

1313
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:20,680
Here's a thought.

1314
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:21,480
Here's a thought.

1315
01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:23,960
What if we could we live stream that?

1316
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:24,840
Not technically.

1317
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:25,960
No, it's it's member.

1318
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:30,520
It's it's also a private, you know, members only thing.

1319
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:37,640
And I was talking with I was I was I had asked Jessica if I could live stream hers.

1320
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,480
I didn't know that JJ was speaking also.

1321
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:40,760
Well, it's not the NCI.

1322
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:41,720
That's a separate thing.

1323
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:43,180
OK.

1324
01:27:43,180 --> 01:27:49,260
But so this is just the weekly Canadian COVID Care Alliance member scientific roundtable.

1325
01:27:49,260 --> 01:27:50,780
Oh, right, right, right.

1326
01:27:50,780 --> 01:27:51,420
OK.

1327
01:27:51,420 --> 01:27:53,020
Just like the FCC has.

1328
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:53,580
Yeah.

1329
01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:54,700
Those are public, I think.

1330
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:59,500
Anyway, so so besides that, there will be a show tomorrow.

1331
01:27:59,500 --> 01:28:01,740
It's just a matter of what time and what we're doing.

1332
01:28:01,740 --> 01:28:05,580
But aside from getting people to go to running your thought local dot com,

1333
01:28:05,580 --> 01:28:09,500
which I'll pull up and show, is there anything else you want to leave people with here?

1334
01:28:10,700 --> 01:28:12,940
No, but I will say this.

1335
01:28:12,940 --> 01:28:20,780
I think that some of the people who who may be sort of behind the scenes like nudged to

1336
01:28:21,660 --> 01:28:28,220
to nitpick at me to go after me to force me to have to defend something that that is actually

1337
01:28:28,220 --> 01:28:29,580
just a mischaracterization.

1338
01:28:30,940 --> 01:28:33,980
I would encourage those people to step back and think.

1339
01:28:35,180 --> 01:28:41,020
Because like you said, you like you know, and I've told you more than I explained publicly.

1340
01:28:41,020 --> 01:28:48,060
I mentioned the one with Kevin McKernan only simply because the last the last part of the

1341
01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:53,180
conversation seemed to go toward like him denying conversations that we had.

1342
01:28:53,180 --> 01:28:53,680
Right.

1343
01:28:54,380 --> 01:28:57,740
Or at least that that would be my my summary implication of it.

1344
01:28:59,340 --> 01:29:03,580
I know there are other people that I think are being coaxed into that

1345
01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:06,700
because I have taken opposition to Steve Kirsch.

1346
01:29:06,700 --> 01:29:08,860
But I think I'm very justified.

1347
01:29:08,860 --> 01:29:11,420
None of them have argued a single fact.

1348
01:29:11,420 --> 01:29:13,340
None of them have have called me to discuss it.

1349
01:29:14,700 --> 01:29:15,420
Right.

1350
01:29:15,420 --> 01:29:17,340
But I think that they are being nudged.

1351
01:29:18,140 --> 01:29:20,940
You know, people whispering in people's ears, having private discussions.

1352
01:29:21,580 --> 01:29:24,860
I would say they that if they have problems with me, they should just call me.

1353
01:29:25,660 --> 01:29:27,420
These are people that I've always been friendly with.

1354
01:29:28,380 --> 01:29:33,100
But that they should consider whether or not they're being nudged into a group behavior.

1355
01:29:33,900 --> 01:29:36,620
And consider about where those pressures come from.

1356
01:29:36,620 --> 01:29:41,340
And I know that there is, you know, there's a lot of undiscussed money,

1357
01:29:42,700 --> 01:29:48,700
you know, both very specifically around Kirsch and business plans that that are not public and

1358
01:29:49,740 --> 01:29:52,140
and in the medical freedom community in general.

1359
01:29:52,140 --> 01:29:59,020
But, you know, if that's your motivation, that's going to look so bad if things don't go the right

1360
01:29:59,020 --> 01:30:04,620
way. But is that really what you would want on your conscience for the rest of your life?

1361
01:30:04,620 --> 01:30:07,740
Anyhow, I think that it's that important.

1362
01:30:08,780 --> 01:30:12,300
So, you know, really step back and do a little thinking before

1363
01:30:12,860 --> 01:30:16,860
continuing to come after me without discussing a single fact.

1364
01:30:20,860 --> 01:30:22,940
Just a couple last comments on rumble.

1365
01:30:22,940 --> 01:30:25,100
Gabe says, join the CCCA.

1366
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:25,580
I agree.

1367
01:30:25,580 --> 01:30:26,460
Join the CCCA.

1368
01:30:26,460 --> 01:30:27,660
It's a wonderful organization.

1369
01:30:28,220 --> 01:30:32,700
And then metal as fork says, as long as someone's there to challenge Cui's claims.

1370
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:39,580
By the way, that part, the fact that Kevin or anybody is is challenging J.J. is exactly

1371
01:30:39,580 --> 01:30:41,340
the point. I think I think that's what's good.

1372
01:30:41,340 --> 01:30:43,980
That's good. You know, this out, you know.

1373
01:30:43,980 --> 01:30:46,780
Yeah. Yeah. But it has to be with interaction.

1374
01:30:46,780 --> 01:30:48,700
It has to be the actual claim, not a straw man.

1375
01:30:48,700 --> 01:30:49,740
It has to be with interaction.

1376
01:30:50,780 --> 01:30:52,060
That's all that's good.

1377
01:30:52,060 --> 01:30:53,340
You know, we want that right.

1378
01:30:53,340 --> 01:30:55,740
If you're in science, you should be here.

1379
01:30:55,740 --> 01:30:58,700
You should be trying to falsify what you're doing.

1380
01:30:58,700 --> 01:30:59,180
Right.

1381
01:30:59,180 --> 01:31:02,860
And right now, I lean toward J.J.'s hypothesis.

1382
01:31:02,860 --> 01:31:07,580
I'm you know, I think that there are multiple branching hypotheses that are not contradicted

1383
01:31:07,580 --> 01:31:08,380
by any evidence.

1384
01:31:08,380 --> 01:31:08,780
Yeah.

1385
01:31:09,580 --> 01:31:14,540
We don't know if they're true, but we should be we should be interacting and questioning

1386
01:31:14,540 --> 01:31:16,860
and it shouldn't it shouldn't appear adversarial.

1387
01:31:16,860 --> 01:31:22,060
There shouldn't be, you know, you're just being a sociopath, you know, being casually

1388
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:26,300
tossed on Twitter and there shouldn't be, you know, denials of conversations and there

1389
01:31:26,300 --> 01:31:27,820
should be clear interaction.

1390
01:31:27,820 --> 01:31:30,220
That's it's really not hard to do that.

1391
01:31:30,220 --> 01:31:32,380
But yes, yeah, we should be challenging J.J.

1392
01:31:32,380 --> 01:31:39,100
I have, you know, well, you know, if I could poke at J.J.

1393
01:31:39,100 --> 01:31:43,980
a little bit, I think that people want him to define his hypothesis a little better and

1394
01:31:43,980 --> 01:31:45,500
he doesn't do much writing.

1395
01:31:45,500 --> 01:31:49,260
And so I'm going to poke at him about that and that would help interaction along.

1396
01:31:49,260 --> 01:31:53,660
So, you know, anyhow, that's where I am.

1397
01:31:53,660 --> 01:31:56,140
Yeah, but that's that is sharpening steel.

1398
01:31:56,140 --> 01:31:58,060
What we're talking about here is sharpening steel.

1399
01:31:58,060 --> 01:32:01,260
Tonica in the chat in on Rumble.

1400
01:32:01,260 --> 01:32:01,820
I'm sorry.

1401
01:32:01,820 --> 01:32:02,940
On locals.

1402
01:32:02,940 --> 01:32:05,820
I think the folks who are trying to pull you away and distract you.

1403
01:32:06,860 --> 01:32:11,100
Yeah, I think the folks who are trying to pull you away and distract you from important

1404
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:15,420
work every time you have to respond to a challenge, it takes you away from the fight.

1405
01:32:16,460 --> 01:32:17,740
You know, it does.

1406
01:32:17,740 --> 01:32:20,860
But, you know, this one refocused me on something that is important that needed to be

1407
01:32:20,860 --> 01:32:21,660
discussed.

1408
01:32:21,660 --> 01:32:27,180
The you know, these issues of of how much trust people put in these leaders and whether

1409
01:32:27,180 --> 01:32:32,220
or not that there has been proper vetting of of who they are and what their motivations

1410
01:32:32,220 --> 01:32:35,260
are that that needed to happen.

1411
01:32:35,980 --> 01:32:36,860
So that's good.

1412
01:32:36,860 --> 01:32:37,820
That's a good thing.

1413
01:32:38,460 --> 01:32:41,020
But yes, it is sometimes distracting and it can be.

1414
01:32:41,020 --> 01:32:41,740
Yeah.

1415
01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:43,100
OK, I'm sorry.

1416
01:32:43,100 --> 01:32:45,420
One last question, because it's a really good one.

1417
01:32:45,420 --> 01:32:49,100
Miss Weasel on Rumble says, what should I ask McCullough tomorrow?

1418
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:49,820
Small event.

1419
01:32:49,820 --> 01:32:51,100
I should get to speak to you.

1420
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:51,900
I should get to speak.

1421
01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:56,700
Oh, gosh, you know, I haven't thought about.

1422
01:32:59,740 --> 01:33:07,660
You know, my my I haven't talked with Peter in a while and I don't have that much of a

1423
01:33:07,660 --> 01:33:08,460
relationship with him.

1424
01:33:08,460 --> 01:33:13,580
I mean, like we've been in meetings and spoken together, but there wasn't need for much

1425
01:33:13,580 --> 01:33:17,020
interaction because we were on the same page as far as like, you know, hydroxychloroquine

1426
01:33:17,020 --> 01:33:17,580
was concerned.

1427
01:33:17,580 --> 01:33:21,660
So I haven't actually thought through myself what questions I would have for him.

1428
01:33:22,460 --> 01:33:22,960
Yeah.

1429
01:33:24,620 --> 01:33:27,180
Well, Miss Weasel's on local, so you can always clarify.

1430
01:33:27,180 --> 01:33:27,980
Yeah, yeah.

1431
01:33:27,980 --> 01:33:30,300
I yeah, I don't really have a good one for you.

1432
01:33:30,300 --> 01:33:30,800
I'm sorry.

1433
01:33:31,500 --> 01:33:34,300
On that note, rounding the earth, thought locals dot com.

1434
01:33:34,300 --> 01:33:39,180
I've dropped the link in every part of the chat, every part of the chat, every chat, no

1435
01:33:39,180 --> 01:33:40,460
matter where you're watching.

1436
01:33:40,460 --> 01:33:41,100
Join us.

1437
01:33:41,100 --> 01:33:43,020
We have wonderful weekly discussions.

1438
01:33:43,020 --> 01:33:46,140
We're about to add a second supporters only discussion.

1439
01:33:46,140 --> 01:33:54,700
I I love the kind of talks that we get into on locals because it is very much an interactive

1440
01:33:54,700 --> 01:33:55,260
community.

1441
01:33:55,260 --> 01:33:55,900
That's the point.

1442
01:33:55,900 --> 01:33:59,740
And if you scroll through, which I was doing before, you'll see it's not just Matthew and

1443
01:33:59,740 --> 01:34:00,860
I posting stuff.

1444
01:34:01,420 --> 01:34:07,260
You've got very, very intelligent people coming on and pointing stuff out and engaging in

1445
01:34:07,260 --> 01:34:09,260
in in their own perspective.

1446
01:34:09,260 --> 01:34:12,380
And and it's a very valuable place to be.

1447
01:34:12,380 --> 01:34:12,880
So running.

1448
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:16,240
Miss Weasel asked McCullough about the the bullware trials.

1449
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:17,440
There you go.

1450
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:20,640
So that's the best way to support.

1451
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:24,800
And by the way, I just want to point this out also on rumble now, as far as I understand.

1452
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:29,120
So they've introduced their own subscription feature, which I'm not necessarily saying you

1453
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:30,800
should subscribe to us on both locals and rumble.

1454
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:37,360
But if you give a five dollar rumble rant, I believe that then automatically makes you

1455
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:38,000
a supporter.

1456
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:42,000
You get a fun badge and then you don't have to continue, you know, you know, you know,

1457
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,560
continue every month if you don't want to.

1458
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:52,240
But 100 percent of the rumble rants for the rest of 2023 go directly to us, the creators.

1459
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,080
And I believe that's the case.

1460
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,920
And then in 2024, they'll start taking their 20 percent cut again.

1461
01:34:57,920 --> 01:34:59,520
But I think that's a cool thing.

1462
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:00,640
Rumble's done there.

1463
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,520
So if you do want to support the show, that's two ways to do it.

1464
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,320
And of course, you're still writing on Substack so people can go to routing the earth,

1465
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:12,480
Substack.com and subscribe there.

1466
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:12,800
Yeah.

1467
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:13,840
Any final thoughts?

1468
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:14,960
Most of the content is free.

1469
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,800
Most of the content is free, but I greatly appreciate the support.

1470
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:22,000
Any final words to leave people with?

1471
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,760
Any nonplug final words?

1472
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,960
No, you know, be discerning with your trust.

1473
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:29,600
Be discerning.

1474
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:39,200
Look for information more than you try to characterize people as heroes or something like that.

1475
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:45,840
Like, you know, I don't want I wouldn't want anyone to characterize me as a hero simply because

1476
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:48,960
every human being can be compromised.

1477
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:49,440
Right.

1478
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:55,840
There is some point in time in which a parasocial relationship is not something that you have as

1479
01:35:55,840 --> 01:36:03,920
much control over once you give up your agency to another person's mission.

1480
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:04,480
Right.

1481
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:10,560
Don't give up agency on a parasocial level to any mission to anyone ever.

1482
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:12,640
And that is the safest way to think.

1483
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:13,760
Just filter information.

1484
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:15,280
Do it yourself.

1485
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:20,640
You know, become more active in how it is you steer yourself with all of your own research.

1486
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:24,640
Don't think of the information that you're going to be using.

1487
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:26,880
Don't think of the information as the person.

1488
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:29,760
Very well said.

1489
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:30,720
OK.

1490
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:33,840
Well, thank you, everyone, for joining us everywhere.

1491
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:35,520
Thank you, Matthew, for a great talk.

1492
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:43,680
And yeah, we will see you guys tomorrow for that that local supporters exclusive live stream.

1493
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:44,640
I may or may not be there.

1494
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:46,560
I may be watching JJ with the CCCA.

1495
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,360
Basically, a lot of fun stuff happening this week.

1496
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:50,400
So thank you all.

1497
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:51,120
Be well.

1498
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:56,560
And we will see you on the as the kids say, flippity flop.