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Hello, everyone.

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We get to leap straight past April Fool's Day, and though it feels like everything's

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been April Fool's Day for a little over three years.

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And I don't think that's going to slow down anytime soon.

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But one way or another, we can at least try to make some sense of things.

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And today's guest is somebody who's been trying to make sense of things for about seven years.

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So he hasn't solved the problem yet.

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So you know, well, I don't know if that's his responsibility, but I know it's all getting

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crazier.

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But the crazier the world gets as it spins around, the more it is that I think each person

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as an individual has to imagine himself as a researcher and say, how would I verify some

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aspect of reality?

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But I think the only way to do that is to do it yourself and then create a trust network

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where you get to know the people whom you trust on a day to day basis and have instincts

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toward how it is that their research fits into the world.

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Otherwise, everyone is sort of giving up proxy trust to a sort of fictitious God that they

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don't know how is created.

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That would be the position of most people on the earth.

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But the way that we can do better than that is to research on our own.

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And today's guest is George Webb, who is one of the people most famous on the internet

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over the past few years for stepping forward and saying, well, I'm going to research things

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on my own.

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Welcome George.

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I'll let you give your own introduction a step further than that, if you like.

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I think that's a great introduction.

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I've spent most of the time cracking the code is the easy part.

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It's getting the message through.

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James O'Keefe wrote the book called The Breakthrough.

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Your stuff is fantastic on Substack.

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You have 30,000 some followers.

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You've done a great job of building this trust network like I have.

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That's half the battle, I think that's 90% of the battle actually.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's not simple to go and find people and talk to them.

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And it gets complicated in all kinds of ways because with every story, it feels like you

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have to do some of these pieces all over again.

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Right?

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Well, every individual is going to have different expertise.

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My background is technology.

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You're a mathematician.

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You're kind of a polyglot though.

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So you don't fall in any one category, I don't think.

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But most people do have kind of an area of expertise.

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So there is a coordinating function that is required.

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What we tried to do was do these little get togethers of citizen journalists called charrettes.

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We've run about 32 of them, run them all over the country, some in Europe.

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Can you say that word again?

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Called what?

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It's called the charrette.

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It's a French word for sort of a conclave.

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It comes from actually when Napoleon was decimating Paris to redo Paris and he built the opera

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house and there were so many artists working simultaneously on the opera house.

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They had a little cart called the charrette that they would put the plans in with the

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latest takeoffs so that the guy who was doing the framing didn't put an ambulature right

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over something that wasn't there a minute ago.

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So it is kind of like a crucible of research is the bottom line.

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So and you brought up the name James O'Keefe and I figured we would steer toward that today

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and I mean honestly we could talk about whatever you wanted to but that's been one of the interesting

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topics.

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You know a few weeks ago he came out with this explosive video with the Pfizer guy with

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Tristan Walker and it was the biggest project veritas story ever by a lot from what I've

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heard which surprises me only a little bit.

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I mean I guess it doesn't surprise me but the amount that it was the biggest one by

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surprises me perhaps but it was also I guess Robert Malone sort of jumped on board the

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presentation of it and I got calls over the next two or three days just people you know

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asking you know what is going on with this.

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So James O'Keefe now he's another person who came in with a different approach to journalism

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and I'm going to say this I'm going to give an opinion on James O'Keefe just because I

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don't know how much this sets things up but I just want to say it out loud.

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The first time I heard of him was his ACORN report.

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I don't know exactly when that was a decade or 12 years ago.

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Am I in the ballpark?

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14 but certainly he was doing kind of these shock videos first and gradually moving toward

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solid journalism as we go.

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Okay okay so I saw the ACORN one and then I heard the criticism oh you know it's like

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gotcha journalism or something like that and I could sort of understand that criticism

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at the same time I could sort of appreciate what he was doing and having you know hindsight

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you get to think about these things for longer right and one thing that I've realized over

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time is would any of this journalism ever get done without a mode like that.

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It's almost like technology was evolving and there was this era in which he jumped in with

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gotcha shock videos and you know what it was actually it was it was pretty effective was

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I mean I guess you'd have to go on a case by case question ask did he violate any ethical

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boundaries or anything anything like that.

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I'm not sure if he did I don't think that he did but I'd be open for any discussion

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on that end.

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From what I can tell his stories were pretty much true in every legal challenge he would

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win so now now he may have come to the end of a road he may have poked in a bush that

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caused the Hornets to well up on a board that he had with Project Veritas that had enough

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control over his job that they could at any one moment mob him and and destroy Project

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Veritas which I assume Project Veritas is destroyed.

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I assume this was self-immolation because I can't imagine anyone else taking the helm.

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Yeah well I think they're still rolling and Matt Turmond wants to keep going and James

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Hink or Barry Hinckley want to keep going but they did a pretty good job of blinding

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themselves or like you say self-immolation.

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I think of James O'Keefe as sort of like the guy you have out at the mine who's the explosive

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expert he really doesn't know metallurgy or anything you know it's just kind of like he

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he drills the holes and puts the dynamite in there and blows out a whole bunch of stuff

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and then the guys with the axe and picks and magnifying glasses and the rock kits they

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go in after him at least that's how I love to follow up James and he certainly uncovered

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with this kind of orc chart a kind of a roadmap a treasure map to finding that the story of

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how mRNA happened how remdesivir was resurrected how you know hydroxychloroquine was knocked

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down hive or mectin was knocked down it's really been an incredible journey or dig if

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you will.

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Yeah and by the way hydroxychloroquine that was the story that actually sort of brought

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me into all this I was paying attention to the studies from essentially day one you know

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February 2020 and onward but you know focusing back on on James O'Keefe for a moment I guess

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he is now saying that that his next direction is citizen journalism from what I understand.

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Yeah look at those books I spent seven years trying to develop that out and you know James

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is it's sort of like him running in front of the parade great because he's such a mega

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power mega star I'm happy that he's bringing so many people to the game and he started

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out with the hidden cameras and but now he's shifting to where we are which is no anybody

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with just a cell phone iPhone so it's the more the merrier the more people doing this

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the better it's the only chance I think we have at getting it to the truth really.

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Yeah kind of makes me feel a little bit validated well and one thing I appreciate in my conversation

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with you and this has been frustrating to me and it has made me wary of a lot of what

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has gone on in the medical freedom movement which is that what I've told people about

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the Campfire Wiki the Campfire Wiki and for anybody who's watching who may not know Campfire

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dot Wiki is a Wiki that was created a year and a half ago at this point maybe even longer

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I mean it was it was a group of people who came to me and said hey you know we'll help

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you work on projects so it's citizen journalism and we said hey we need a place to store things

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so we came up with Campfire Wiki sort of a nod to the you know the conversation I guess

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Brett Weinstein may be most associated with it yeah thank you okay I'll be your graphics

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guy yeah it doesn't look quite as good on the phone as it does on the website but but

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you know Campfire discussions was was maybe currently best attached to Brett Weinstein

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but what you know we said hey we just need a Wiki that is not controlled like Wikipedia

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right and Wikipedia and you know today with the chat GPT or if I'm saying that right with

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the chat bots the AI that's coming up they go out and they find information and they

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they focus a lot on Wikipedia and by having a rule such that you have source control you

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cannot quote a source that's not like officially approved you know I think that if you step

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a decade back that that rule created an incentive for corruption of those streams and that the

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only way to unwind that is to have some some sort of like a citizen journalism that happens

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and that is documented through through a wiki and and that brings you know the 800 pound

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gorilla is that the the celebrity journalists I guess we can call James O'Keefe and a celebrity

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journalist I don't mean that to be anything other than he's he's just you know so well

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known right gorilla you call the 800 pound gorilla yeah yeah yeah celebrity journalist

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you know he's he's gonna be immensely popular and that that he would bring a lot a lot of

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attention to that but you know stepping stepping back again now so he has the Tristan Walker

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story the Pfizer story so that comes out and you you wind up having conversation with him

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I watched that and my immediate reaction to it was there's something weird about this

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it is being presented in real time with commentary by Robert Malone almost as if it's like a

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documentary when you watch somebody give commentary on something it's usually not like commentary

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as in hey this just happened an hour ago the way that he gave commentary it felt to me

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more like a documentary in a sense and I'm looking back I'm trying I'm trying to ask

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myself why it looks so weird of course it looks weird because Tristan Walker's freak

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out moment is this like it's just reality TV drama moment right I mean he is he is the

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guy that you would pick if you just wanted a reality TV drama moment and then and then

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you have to ask well was he picked because he would be the reality TV drama moment and

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then you ask well where would that selection occur and and I don't I don't believe that

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James O'Keefe made that selection which which made me scratch my head right made me pull

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out my hair and in by which I mean hair in the singular thinking about you know what

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you know what is actually going on here well and there were some people who just wanted

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it to be like a cut and dry like here you can see this is how Pfizer operates but then

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digging in just a little bit Tristan Walker was this sort of like plug-in man it seems

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who had who did not have anything like a lengthy career with any one institution but was all

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over the place with Boston Consulting Group and he was and he was not as high on any one

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totem pole as the title of his position might seem it's like these titles get inflation

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over the years and then and then you and James start talking and this is one of the places

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I want to give shout outs to a number of people Mark Kulak you know came into the story looking

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a little bit deeper but I'm just gonna I set this up I'm just gonna let you talk about

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this for a few minutes here sure well first of all I work a lot with Mark and we have

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gone to charrettes together the first one in Annapolis I've met Mark up in near where

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he lives in Boston he's the deep dive guy you know when you send the guy in for the

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last guy to get into the tunnel that's Mark he really goes deeper than anybody in the

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tunneling for finding the information so he has a whole repository just like you do you

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have campfire.wiki with all these articles he has the same sort of database for entities

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and then he has this huge video archive so you know we're my thing I think about is how

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do I take a slice from all this every day and and give this stuff the advertising that

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it needs or exposure that it needs but with James really it was Google what's it called

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a compound search and you just put in you know Gordon Christian Walker and anything

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and I did coronavirus and it came up with this Boston consulting group paper now I would

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have thought a whole bunch of people would have done that search like you know 50 million

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people have viewed this thing I'm not going to be the first guy who thinks of a compound

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search for Jordan Walker and coronavirus but I mean isn't that the first thing you would

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think of as well has this guy written anything or done any speaking engagements and what

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came up was this paper and the paper was this Boston consulting group paper which really

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resurrects remdesivir like whoa he did he have any background in remdesivir before anything

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with Gilead before this no and then Mark found a core like an hour later found the corollary

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paper for mRNA that Boston consulting group wrote and and the significance was like you

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said the timing it was occurring in May when nobody knew anything Boston consulting group

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had this worldwide network of the global physician network or the global expert physician network

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and so they were the gurus of this new novel thing and so everybody was on their heels

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listening to Boston consulting group and they really rem create a standard of care for remdesivir

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even though it was a failed Ebola drug and the WHO even knocked it down and then they

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create the space race sort of for the mRNA and then they slow foot all these other repurposing

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studies which is Robert Malone and Mark's done a lot of things on Robin Malone and how

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this domain thing was slow footed and they drug their feet on it still going three years

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later so it almost made sure that we would end up with remdesivir and mRNA yeah and it's

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a really strange rationale to supposedly remdesivir popped up from this domain program do M&E

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this artificial intelligence selection tool and I call this into question for a lot of

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reasons because one it this is a drug that had never been proven to work with anything

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and had a high level of known toxicity its association with coronavirus for instance

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is as generic as an association might get given that you would need to use it early

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you would need to use it early for it to be effective as an antiviral that's what it's

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proposed for it's extremely expensive making it a bad antiviral right in terms of you know

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cost benefit analysis so like already you have like this giant knock against the idea

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that it would be useful for anything it never actually worked for anything before and if

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it were going to work now on something as generic as a coronavirus you would think that

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the people who created it would have been trying to apply it to coronavirus or rhinovirus

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or something like that in the past historically but all of a sudden it pops out of this artificial

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intelligence program with you know the zero success thing it's very very weird it looks

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nonsensical on face but I'm gonna bring up this one piece of information the I can't

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remember what it's called but the coronavirus like medical board that was put together

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it was chaired by pence you know this list of people it's industry insiders you have

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16 people who have known connections to pharmaceutical industry nine of those with gilead specifically

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and when you watch the history of this panel two of those members removed their association

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with gilead over the first like two or three months of the panel when you when you find

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the panel and you go through the the timeline on the way back machine you can see people

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dropping off like like suddenly excluding their their past history with gilead so there's

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there's so much to that story already and then boom we suddenly we have tristan walker

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and we have this presented through project veritas before james o'keefe can can do you

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know deep dives into every aspect of this and then presented by robert malone who had

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a connection back to this domain program yeah so i i'm gonna i'm just gonna leave that for

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you to pick up you you made a lot of good points i mean the first one coronavirus task

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force coronavirus task force looks like uh sort of the nazis burning the papers uh you

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know in 1945 may 1945 as the allies are closing in on berlin i mean they're they're getting

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rid of all associations with this um the person that becomes like the the corona whisperer

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is a guy from the 9 11 days his name is steven hatfield he's with a company called latos

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saic latos saic is who cuts the purchase orders for domain so lei dos bob malone has worked

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the last 10 years for latos so right away it seems like wait a minute you're we're putting

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a guy on the task force he's not implicitly or explicitly named but he's the advisor to

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peter navarro who's who's trump's kind of a key advisor during all this he's the guy

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who's talking about hydroxychloroquine and so forth so latos is covering both angles

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here right they're covering the new stuff that they want with the old this guy was also

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steven hatfield like hatfellow rain his he was the guy suspected of the anthrax bombing

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for about three years three to five years the anthrax bomber the person who they thought

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sent the anthrax letter to lehi and then the anthrax letter to dash all the senate majority

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intel leader and then the house but intel that guy is steven hatfield that's the guy

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they put in latos put in to be the coronavirus whisper that seems weird and then latos doing

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the domain software and going away from their tried and true tool to this new piece of software

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up in montreal uh where there's really a 33 old kid's first gig and mark kulak again gets

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the good credit here he identified the real program called reframe and reframe was really

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uh the program to look at repurposed stuff and reframe had come up with ivermectin the

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ai program had looked at the binding affinity and lock and key and all that and it had come

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up with ivermectin in 2016 for darpa so they needed to pull reframe out of the frame here

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and they needed to reframe it around a new thing which didn't work yet uh which was domain

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um have you talked with jj kuwait yet i have seen him so many times and i was i i haven't

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talked to him directly no one day if possible i'd love to have you guys on at the same time

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because i'd be curious the mixing of the conversation but i was in i was talking with him the other

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day about what is possible to do with artificial intelligence right when i look at the domain

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program so i have a background in finance at the end of my career on wall street i was

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actually doing machine learning work like coming up with algorithms to try to combine

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stock trading with stock option trading but you know one way or another um you know machine

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learning uh artificial intelligence kind of gets overhyped in a lot of in a lot of domains

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um you know i was reaching for that word accidental pun um so you know can can an artificial intelligence

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program you know competently promote the correct drug in a situation with with something like

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a pandemic outbreak and i think even if the information level were very very high i think

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it's it's the answer is basically no and the claim is kind of like surgesphere right um

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the claim is would require like this hefty leap to happen at this one special moment

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in time when you needed for it to happen for a very particular narrative but the the equivalent

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of this of this achievement is kind of like monkeys uh suddenly having the infinite typewriters

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um like literally being able to to go through more computations than than computers could

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possibly go through in the entire history of the universe um or before the sun burns

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out it's nonsensical on face and and you know this is this is part of what we have people

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need to understand about the level of psyops that we seem to be going through in in modern

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technology and all of that um having having said i was making a comparison to surgesphere

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and i i want you to hear this one because i think it'll help you uh frame some things

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surgesphere um do you know that story do you know about the surgesphere paper on hydroxychloroquine

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no tell me okay so in um may of 2020 uh this guy sepp and desai who created this company

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surgesphere really he created to be like a textbook company over a decade ago but it

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was failing um suddenly he starts publishing papers and the second paper he ever publishes

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is data from all over the world from six continents and hospitals everywhere um and it says that

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hydroxychloroquine doesn't work and it would have required an elaborate network of instantaneous

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data collection that would have been essentially impossible given all of like you know hippot

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ish laws from all over the world from dozens of countries uh to be able to grab and import

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all this data and have it run through a database very very quickly and uh when this came out

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it was i believe it was may 22nd 2020 the day that it came out i i told my wife my wife's

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a biochemist and we were watching hydroxychloroquine i said i said this and i was trying to convince

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her that all this stuff was a fraud i think she she came she understood i think after

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the surgesphere but day one i told her i said this is a fake paper i know it like this is

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so nonsensical on so many levels and we talked it through um and and with about a week and

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a half later it was like a week later was retracted it was forcibly retracted because

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there were enough of us who knew that it was a fraud immediately that we just all hit the

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internet and we were just like you know uh we we've got to to push back at this one immediately

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so uh it's this big data project that is pushed forth and to make people think oh well we

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do have these whizzy machines that can do things automatically and instantaneously um

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no uh you know you've got to dig into these things and ask the question you've got to

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dig into these things and ask the question is this does this make sense at all and domain

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is another example where it just does not make sense the technology is not there to

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do this and in fact it's impossible for it to be there to do this and one way that that

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viewers can can know this is that we have uh we have databases of like tens of thousands

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of toxins that pharma studies and and they they study these toxins in order to make new

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medicines about every kind of ailment anything from viruses to cancers to whatever and if

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we if we had this level of power uh with artificial intelligence you would probably see it being

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applied to that to those databases of toxins to figure out what what plucks the harps accord

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of human health well enough to solve all these other problems but now suddenly boom you have

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this novel coronavirus and pandemic and they have this artificial intelligence machine

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yeah there's the retraction from lancet yeah yeah and uh and and and the the authors admitted

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they you know nobody has even said that they've ever seen the database like that's how weird

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this all is um but but this i think that uh that the domain is it's it's aggressive nonsensical

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i call this governance by aggressive nonsensical gurus it's this gang mentality um for trying

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to convince people that the world is in this you know this certain way and they can push

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any fact on you that they want by simply saying you know big data says so so so that's where

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we are with this we have um you know domain coming up with remdesivir just amazingly you

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know uh picks this one very expensive drug that winds up being used as late treatment

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even though even though it would really only work if it were early treatment and it is

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very expensive and this is attached to this domain program and put forth by robert malone

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and now we come full circle with james o'keefe and he is in for whatever reason he coupled

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with robert malone to present this so again i i want to i want to pass that off to you

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and ask because i i know that you you followed this story you and you and mark in particular

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and you know more about what's happened since that moment than anyone you did you find the

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boston consulting group um information and pass it on to a keith yes in the moment he

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had it boom he was fired uh the moment he had it he tweeted it out he wasn't fired or

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the the coup or the forced uh furlough wasn't till the next day uh where he was on the plane

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and they started the board meeting as soon as he got in the air and all that that story

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with matt tiermon the seven-hour board meeting and the pregnant woman with the sandwich but

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i should have known about this surges here so that's why i keep putting up all the uh

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things for for your reference but mark found the second paper so between these two papers

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we at least had some firmament to stand on with our arguments about jordan walker and

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understand who he was he had a lot more stuff with board boston consulting group and that

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led to the key guy schweitzer who runs boston consulting group being a pawn of claus schwaab

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in world economic forum and he had just spoken at davos and then if you go up to to address

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your ai thing um the his boss um again o'keith puts out this work chart and the boss of jordan

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walker is somebody called schwang sarah woo and schwang sarah woo with s-h-u-a-n-g uh

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sarah like the normal s-a-r-a-h woo uh she is an ai person she's a biostatistician who

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only a couple of months before worked for biogen the super spreader conference in boston

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and she was a mckenzie consultant like jordan walker was so it seems like like you said

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plugins they're just plugging these people in to take certain roles right at the last

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minute to kind of create a like you would plug in an actor into a stage show and she

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had a patent in 2018 schwang woo did well she had a 2013 with raytheon where bob malone's

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dad worked in ai um and uh her husband does ai as well for alexa's speech for amazon in

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cambridge so they were in new york but then they moved to cambridge for the last three

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or four years so who worked for alexa her husband her husband and the person she wrote

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the patent with also worked for alexa's speech so if you're in the ai world and i'm not an

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ai programmer but we used to try to do it for computer interfaces mainly the bridge

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the human computer interface hci interface for for just user creature features to make

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programs easier um and uh she she wrote alexa's speech is um what they call weak ai uh because

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the sound waves are really clear and you know you should be trying to interpret that and

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then you filter out noise and once you get a speech pattern you you can map that pretty

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much to everything else the person says and even that's a difficult problem i mean anybody

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who drives around with you know google assist you know knows that uh that has barely moved

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forward in five years yeah it's it's it's actually gotten better it's gotten better

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especially speech to text especially if you go through this training period uh you know

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but in uh you know all these different uh speech to text programs but that's where they

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come from so they took a person who had this patent 2013 in weak ai and then tried to kind

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of pass her off at this like you said going from that is sort of like driving your volkswagen

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out to the saturn five rocket and watching the launch that's fairly weak uh you know

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it's not very complicated programming the saturn five to get to the moon and then come

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back safely with everybody living in the capsule that's the other thing which is this moonshot

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type technology yeah and it's even worse than that this is like going from horse and buggy

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to like you know um intergalactic travel through wormholes or folding space or something like

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that yeah claims it just cannot be verified uh but doing so in a matter of five years

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right yeah and so she had some chops in ai and so did her husband so did her co-inventor

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what's really interesting is she gets in a patent in 2018 for hacking into or rewriting

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the interface for johnson controls and york air conditioning for america's hospital systems

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85 of the u.s hospital systems are running york air conditioning and then most of our

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plants you know major industrial infrastructure runs on johnson controls so now she's getting

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a pro a patent in that it seems more like something that you would train a hacker to

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do than than somebody who's trying to solve coronavirus right so so she also has two

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papers that she writes with pfizer um and again you just type right i mean i looked

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at the thing james put out and i just typed and coronavirus it's compound search shwang

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sarah woo and coronavirus and immediately two papers come up that she wrote as a consultant

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uh light speed one and light speed two light speed one was sort of uh talking about how

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they were going to do mrna with them uh for vaccines and then how they were going to do

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mrna for everything else for all the therapeutics sort of like in a tandem with what jordan walker's

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papers were and what was even better about it was her co-author was the next person up

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on the tan on the totem pole which is the guy named mical dulston who has been a you

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know uh smart hospitals uh replace all doctors with ai wef guy i mean is a pattern emerging

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here do these people seem like they're being slotted in to push an agenda for mrna and

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smart hospitals and so forth so that leaves borla so you type in borla with and coronavirus

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and you get a lot of different things but if you type in mrna you'll get this paper

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he wrote basically agreeing with that whole stack of all those papers saying yes this

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is the future of this big pharmaceutical 250 billion dollars in pharmaceutical we're going

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to do everything in vaccine but that we're just getting started we're going to do cancer

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we're going to do the heart drugs we're going to do the metabolic drugs we're going to do

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the rare diseases is coming so it seems like this is almost you know ready to go and they

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just hit the go button on this okay so i i have not because i'm i'm involved in other

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projects i've not had a chance to go deep on uh shuang sarah woo yeah i'm gonna mention

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this to you though um i have a history that usually allows me to go deep quickly on people

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her age i don't know how much you know about my background but i helped build this uh company

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called art of problem solving years ago you know 20 years ago we started building it and

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uh it was a project for uh gifted you know mathematically precocious gifted youth we

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created um a new educational system for them like i wrote a textbook a number theory textbook

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for 11 to 16 year olds right and and we started um you know like mit changed their curriculum

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um to fit you know what the students we were bringing them who were often like at the end

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of the undergraduate track you know by the time they entered mit um because of this network

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there's like a million students who've been through art of problem solving we teach a

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lot of the where we taught a lot of the students who would go to like the international math

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olympiad i can usually reach into that network and find people that i hear who are high level

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mathematicians working on projects if you said google brain if you say you know alexa

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voice or whatever um i can usually within an hour get somebody on the phone who knows

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somebody who's involved in one of those projects an interesting thing to me was this name pops

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up shuang sarah wu and i don't know anyone who knows her so you know uh you know and

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this is like this is a first for me that that a name pops up in in a you know an ai math

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program and i don't know anybody who can who can talk about having gone to school with

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her worked on projects with her where did she come from first of all and um what you

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know what is this i i read on your sub stack something about her having many different

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linkedin profiles that that may have been populated uh at a similar time so i want to

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know what you know well she uh she comes from shanghai and there is a massachusetts general

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hospital in in shanghai uh it's called the uh hai hao i think it is but but we were looking

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at basically we just like you said we're we didn't have the course for all the you know

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the intelligence agencies had these recruiting programs for math geniuses right and that

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sounds like what you were in and and then julia sange was in a similar type program

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in australia where they were calling all the top math people and trying to get them to

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you know they teach them french teach them how to dance teach them which fork to use

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and all that because that's where they need the polishing but then the math just chew

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that up and so so so that's sort of um what i think she is uh kind of a polyglot math

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genius person who can kind of be fitted to whatever the situation needs to be and that

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certainly was this uh you know kind of uh get us all across the threshold from the old

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way we used to discover drugs to the new way and it's going to be mrna because we're going

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to be the new operating system we're going to be the new people that who decide and will

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print the drugs you just tell us the code and then we'll print it for you but we're

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going to be that security middle layer in this whole process so if you want one that

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i know too that you're going to know a whole bunch of people one is the cancer moonshot

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in dolston this third person up on the totem pole in the james o'keefe michael dolston

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uh m i k e a l he's from the university of ulm in sweden the southern tip of sweden

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but he's a been a nato guy nato bio warfare guy with carl built in nato for 20 years i

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mean that's his background but he's lived in new york for 10 years and he was the cancer

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moonshot guy for joe biden he's the cancer moonshot and he's also the biomarker the human

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biomarker project project which came after the human genome project he is is that guy

410
00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:47,980
uh which is very significant because biomarkers are the first thing that pop up when a bioagents

411
00:38:47,980 --> 00:38:54,460
release and then it'll perturb the human system somehow and the and the third one is the human

412
00:38:54,460 --> 00:39:01,620
viro project which is a joint venture between the u.s. uh at uc davis uh with bob malone

413
00:39:01,620 --> 00:39:09,820
and and uh eco health alliance and then george gao who ran the chinese cdc um and this reframe

414
00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:16,020
program which is mark hulak's the one who found it he's like no if they were trying

415
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:19,580
to do the ace 2 they wouldn't have been looking at the histamine receptor they would have

416
00:39:19,580 --> 00:39:26,620
been looking at ace 2 reframe actually looks at the ace 2 and it is this joint u.s. intelligence

417
00:39:26,620 --> 00:39:32,340
chinese intelligence project and domain is this new lent literally the kid who who came

418
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:36,980
up with this he's a genius kid no question about it molecular forecasters in in montreal

419
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:42,420
that they picked um literally he worked at lens crafters right before he went into his

420
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:49,540
own business this is first project so um so mark is the one who really kind of tore the

421
00:39:49,540 --> 00:39:57,300
cover off this and said what's the real infrastructure with this yeah and and it's been fun to keep

422
00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:02,060
digging i i do spaces every day to dig on it and we do videos and and we do research

423
00:40:02,060 --> 00:40:09,260
compound searches it's really where where anybody can take any of the information and

424
00:40:09,260 --> 00:40:16,620
then do digging on it and then move the ball forward okay um so this is interesting so

425
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:22,500
we have this these connections now these these joint projects between the u.s. and china

426
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:28,940
they seem to involve intelligence in between as in you know maybe intelligence and intelligence

427
00:40:28,940 --> 00:40:40,140
connecting um now uh china is supposed to be our adversary and i've i've tried to hypothesize

428
00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:45,300
relationships between the u.s. and china and um you know other than uh i don't know if

429
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:50,700
you know who matthew errat is he seems to be uh okay um for anybody who's not watching

430
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:56,500
he seems to be in in the sort of um social sphere now of of the last american vagabond

431
00:40:56,500 --> 00:41:04,400
and uh whitney webb and johnny vedmore and some other people um and uh he he has he's

432
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:10,420
saying some things that i've tried to insert into the conversation like like um the relationship

433
00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:15,580
between the u.s. and china may not be what we've been told it was by the television for

434
00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:22,420
the last 40 years or 50 years um that that uh you know when you look at the history of

435
00:41:22,420 --> 00:41:28,580
china from the opium wars onward the west crushed china went in established all kinds

436
00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:34,380
of control networks the rise of mao has a lot of elements of looking like it was you

437
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:40,420
know western-led western controlled in particular um the state department gave him the money

438
00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:46,620
not shang kai shack uh and then um apparently mao was also taking money then along the way

439
00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:52,860
from western cigarette companies so you have moneyed relationships um that seem to be steering

440
00:41:52,860 --> 00:41:58,700
mao to some degree but there's a lot of there's a lot of evidence that should at least be

441
00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:04,300
looked at that that the u.s. established control networks in china now it may be there are

442
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:11,820
multiple factions in china right um china is obviously a very large nation and um and

443
00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:18,940
it may be that the u.s. has good control over certain factions in china and then then there

444
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:24,580
may be rival factions so i've been trying to work out like you know to what extent is

445
00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:31,860
you know to what extent is china really operating on behalf of the u.s. or on behalf of the

446
00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:37,820
west and obviously we know it was france who went in and uh designed and built the wuhan

447
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:44,380
institute of virology's bsl4 there was no bsl4 in all of mainland china right western

448
00:42:44,380 --> 00:42:51,020
and even the french intelligence agency said please don't do this but but uh uh what's

449
00:42:51,020 --> 00:43:01,100
their agency that's like the nih um if if ivs levy um uh anyway uh france went in and

450
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:07,420
built um built the bsl4 there and was supposed to send over 50 staff but china right when

451
00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:10,540
those bills said nope we don't need your staff we're just going to run this alone

452
00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:16,140
so now we've got these relationships between the u.s. and china so what do we know what's

453
00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:23,500
what's going on there well first clue is the guy who runs uh uh in cambridge who runs moderna

454
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:30,060
right now steven bandsell was at bio mario you mentioned mario which is this uh kind of a the

455
00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:36,620
bio lab arm of synovia venice for developing and dealing with the synovia venice drugs uh passed

456
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:47,340
to our institute etc but bio mario m e r i o i u x something like that e i u x so he built the lab

457
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:53,580
he built the leaky leaky lab he had the most to gain by uh building a leaky lab because he built

458
00:43:53,580 --> 00:43:58,940
the leaky lab mrna vaccine he built the lab to respond to the leaky he built the vaccine to

459
00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:09,580
respond to the leaky lab so that's what's that name again oh bio mario it's m e r i e u x and and and

460
00:44:09,580 --> 00:44:18,940
steven bandsell was the key person of before he became the ceo of of moderna and he and he built

461
00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:26,140
the lab i mean bio mario built that lab so there so there's a lot of connections right there but

462
00:44:26,140 --> 00:44:31,580
but but i love the way you're going with the boxer rebellion and the opium wars and all that because

463
00:44:31,580 --> 00:44:36,380
if you look back to the british east india company and and the dutch east india company even had a

464
00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:41,020
trade concession in wuhan right along the wuhan river there there was a german one as well and

465
00:44:41,020 --> 00:44:45,260
then you know they're all there and they were all there in shanghai they were all there in nanzheng

466
00:44:45,260 --> 00:44:51,420
they had the uh down in uh the south uh shanghai i think had of them and then further around down

467
00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:56,380
to guangzhou they had had a trade concession so so you're right it's the old trade concessions

468
00:44:56,380 --> 00:45:02,300
that's the footprint here of the intelligence agencies here and it's the same money the

469
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:07,420
hardin matheson bank you know whitney webb writes a lot about this johnny vedmore did more

470
00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:15,100
claus family values but what you web wrote a lot about the china hands with the cia you know going

471
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:20,620
back and forth uh supporting shanghai shack with the bio weapons and then moving on but that all

472
00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:25,580
was based in wuhan so that's pretty interesting but our investigation moved it forward a little

473
00:45:25,580 --> 00:45:32,300
bit more to more blackwater blackwater health in hong kong with a guy named matt pottinger

474
00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:38,780
and matt pottinger was the key guy who was on the national security council that made the

475
00:45:38,780 --> 00:45:44,380
recommendation to uh to trump about coronavirus in china he was also the guy who was in the state

476
00:45:44,380 --> 00:45:51,900
department during sars in 2003 2002 2003 his father stan pottinger was also the key advisor

477
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:57,660
to kissinger so it's very this intelligence connection that you hit on is critical because

478
00:45:57,660 --> 00:46:02,140
that is the answer to the test i think when it's all said and done there has to be a coordinating

479
00:46:02,140 --> 00:46:07,660
body between these two behemoths to know who are the key people to put together in a task force to

480
00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:13,100
get this thing done and i think you you hit on it it's it's got to be somebody in the middle and of

481
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:18,700
course um you know blackwater starts the spy school in hong kong right before the breakout so

482
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:25,740
that's that's maybe a smoking gun here is shuang wu and jordan walker are they graduates of that

483
00:46:25,740 --> 00:46:30,940
spy school you know that's speculation at this point uh but like you said they do seem to get

484
00:46:30,940 --> 00:46:39,180
plugged in here like it's an op right so okay um liam asked the question all these profiles on

485
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:48,380
linkedin of shuang sarah wu um it are are these do we know if these are the same person um you

486
00:46:48,380 --> 00:46:53,500
you'd mentioned in an article that they seem to have been created you know in the ballpark at the

487
00:46:53,500 --> 00:47:01,660
same time is this some sort of like confusion trail mess um or or is there any way for us to

488
00:47:01,660 --> 00:47:08,380
know is it just you know too much data shotgun will never quite figure it out well there are

489
00:47:08,380 --> 00:47:14,060
a certain services that you can subscribe to that investigators use like truth finder checkmate

490
00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:20,220
uh instant checkmate those kind of services so if you look at those services they have a central

491
00:47:20,220 --> 00:47:27,020
person who's not shuang wu creating all these chang wu's uh there is a real pictures of a real

492
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:34,140
seminar with real quotes you know where shuang wu is pictured at biogen so we think that's the

493
00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:40,540
real shuang wu on the on the one that um james o'keefe put it's just the her name there's no

494
00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:45,660
picture and to this day you know i've asked james and so forth and asked the whole project for

495
00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:50,540
airtoss folks has anybody produced a picture other than mine at the biogen now it could have

496
00:47:50,540 --> 00:47:58,220
been uh when you create these fake linkedins it's to uh reach out to various different biopharma

497
00:47:58,220 --> 00:48:05,580
organizations so there was about 20 of these and they're all coming from one person um about 20

498
00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:12,380
of these that are in the bio area so let's say i'm uh let's say maderna now i reach out to all my

499
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:17,580
friends and develop a friend network in maderna and then i do the same thing with uh you know the

500
00:48:17,580 --> 00:48:25,900
various other bio companies in cambridge because what i want to do in in at the super spreader event

501
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:31,340
at the end of february i want to create sort of a mass formation psychosis around getting everybody

502
00:48:31,340 --> 00:48:38,060
to believe that everything you knew like you said about drug development with test tubes and pipettes

503
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:44,620
and robotics well plates and all the things that you know works we have to suspend that thinking

504
00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:50,860
for a little bit and think a computer actually could spit out the answer right and so we have

505
00:48:50,860 --> 00:48:56,300
to go through this kind of we're all stupid we don't know anything about this new novel thing

506
00:48:56,300 --> 00:49:02,140
and now this thing spits out the right answer and bob malone is the guy who spits it out with a book

507
00:49:03,020 --> 00:49:07,500
he says hey i got sick with this fomotadine with um coronavirus and i put out this thing

508
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:13,980
pepsidac fomotadine and actually worked so let's look at this fomotadine and let's let's not look

509
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:20,380
at ivermectin let's not look at hydroxychloroquine it's a very interesting time we don't have all the

510
00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:26,540
information yet we're still digging so that's a very speculative answer right and you know for

511
00:49:26,540 --> 00:49:32,220
anybody i don't talk about it as much as i used to but i have um i i did a series the chloroquine

512
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:36,860
wars that where i've got over 100 articles in the very beginning of that i i put out a lot of

513
00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:42,700
information um including uh the fact that hydroxychloroquine had been studied since 2004

514
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:51,260
shortly after sars-cov-1 uh their papers um kaertz and uh and eventually um uh didier riehl um the

515
00:49:51,260 --> 00:49:58,140
the most published microbiologist in the world from france um he's got one from like 2007 um so

516
00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:03,420
you would think hydroxychloroquine would pop up first out of some sort of a machine when you have

517
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:09,820
multiple papers you know that had tested you know chloroquine in particular but hydroxychloroquine

518
00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:14,940
is basically the same thing just a little less toxic um you would think that that that this machine

519
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:20,300
would spit that out near the top of the list if not the very top right um so the you know that's

520
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:26,220
very suspicious and weird and just nonsensical you know frankly but mark kulak i think solved that

521
00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:31,660
because he he pointed me to the reframe when i found out reframe was actually pointed at the ace

522
00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:37,820
two you're right it would spit out ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine but they pointed at a different

523
00:50:37,820 --> 00:50:42,780
receptor called the histamine receptors which are mainly in your nose you know the cingulaire and

524
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:48,940
zyrtec was two of the things that spit out it spit out all things for nasal passage type stuff

525
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:54,380
so that may have been the gypsy switch that they did with this new domain and then histamine rather

526
00:50:54,380 --> 00:51:01,500
than uh like you just said it would it should have come out with things that were uh coronavirus like

527
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:07,900
and they okay okay this is this is a big moment then i i didn't i i saw mart talking about this

528
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:15,180
but didn't have time um to focus in on it um this is revelatory right here and and i'll i'll give a

529
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:23,020
scientific take on this so um now they they may have run this program on both ace two and the

530
00:51:23,020 --> 00:51:28,860
histamine and only published the result right like unless you have a perspective like we're

531
00:51:28,860 --> 00:51:33,020
going to go in and we're going to run the program this way you know have the perspective the

532
00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:39,020
perspective plan published and then the result then it's very suspicious like and why did they

533
00:51:39,020 --> 00:51:45,900
only run it for the histamine now um going back also like i said i don't believe that such a program

534
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:51,580
is trustworthy i think that it's nonsensical in fact but just the fact that you could get two

535
00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:57,020
different sets of outputs by focusing on ace two and focusing on the histamine receptor suggests

536
00:51:57,020 --> 00:52:03,580
that you have a deep flaw in the actual algorithm you it shouldn't it shouldn't change the answer

537
00:52:04,140 --> 00:52:10,860
if the algorithm is going to give you a result that would be you know that would be necessarily

538
00:52:10,860 --> 00:52:15,660
the best result right like if you can change such a such an important parameter and get totally

539
00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:21,980
different results then you should not trust any of them without then you know checking all of the

540
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:27,660
other ones so so already like that that already should debunk the notion that this thing would

541
00:52:27,660 --> 00:52:33,500
have been trustworthy by anyone who understands a simple logic tree i mean you know who understands

542
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:39,740
ai and and and the logic tree so yeah that objection actually came out by a scientist

543
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:44,460
what you just said there you okay yeah you aimed at the wrong thing there's this guy named

544
00:52:44,460 --> 00:52:50,300
kanekliaro in the in the study in the domain study who's kind of the hero he's the northwell

545
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:57,420
in the northwell study bob and malone worked for alchem and then alchem is the in charge of fair

546
00:52:57,420 --> 00:53:03,740
ferreting out these little studies so they have this kanekliaro runs this study kanekliaro says

547
00:53:03,740 --> 00:53:10,540
you've got to include hydroxychloroquine for exactly what you just said just like hey i've

548
00:53:10,540 --> 00:53:17,260
had a whole career in this i know hcq should be on the list and it's not it's all nasal it's all

549
00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:23,580
histamine and he's like and this is where there's a big falling out between malone and the board

550
00:53:23,580 --> 00:53:29,020
that the review board and this is why malone supposedly says he leaves the study and this

551
00:53:29,020 --> 00:53:34,860
could jeopardize the study so we don't have all the information but your instincts here are spot

552
00:53:34,860 --> 00:53:41,100
on and and mark found that too as well i just throw give credit where credit's due i should

553
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:46,700
have mark on again soon um this is this is fantastic i feel like i'm learning very quickly in in real

554
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:53,660
time about this so um you know one one thing that frustrated me was there was sort of a rush to

555
00:53:54,220 --> 00:54:02,860
judgment a little bit with um with the project veritas story and you know it's understandable

556
00:54:02,860 --> 00:54:09,980
it's such a heavy topic and then you know it seems like such a you know it is such a large bomb but i

557
00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:15,740
i felt like you know this may take weeks to sort out maybe you know and it wasn't my primary focus

558
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:22,940
but but that that different people were going to be able to take the same story put their own

559
00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:28,140
information framing around it right put their put their own framing around it and sell it as

560
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:33,580
something different and and a lot of people might do this accidentally like take one of these

561
00:54:33,580 --> 00:54:39,020
framings and then you know and then run with it as as this is what the story is right and there are

562
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:45,180
a lot of people who who do this because they trust james o'keefe um it sounds like you you find james

563
00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:50,940
o'keefe trustworthy i do okay um i haven't found any any particularly good reason not to i know

564
00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:55,340
that he has a couple of interpersonal conflicts but uh you know without without you know digging

565
00:54:55,340 --> 00:55:01,500
deeply into those like i know that he's he's won all his lawsuits over his information right it

566
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:08,620
it looks like he he's done a pretty good job at the journalism aspect over the years um so but and

567
00:55:08,620 --> 00:55:16,460
so a lot of people i think wanted to to grab on to his his uh character on that level and say you

568
00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:20,780
know look he you know he he's been very good in the past but that's a different thing than that

569
00:55:20,780 --> 00:55:30,300
that's a that's a is the is his part of that story trustworthy and what are the other aspects of the

570
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:37,660
story that it could be you know seen from different angles to get the big picture right and and and i

571
00:55:37,660 --> 00:55:43,100
felt like there was sort of a rush to make it look like one thing at least by some people and it felt

572
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:51,020
to me like like it just looked on face like my instincts were this is a psyop on some level right

573
00:55:51,020 --> 00:55:57,020
so yeah i think this is the difference between being a deep researcher and somebody who uh is a

574
00:55:57,020 --> 00:56:03,420
great presenter um because james o'keefe you know he's a shakespearean actor he's a dancer he's a

575
00:56:03,420 --> 00:56:09,100
singer you know he's he's starred in oklahoma all this stuff he's a great presenter uh but he's not

576
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:14,060
the mark kulak you know or journey to the bottom of the earth you know of way to the bottom of the

577
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:19,500
sea in terms of depth and so like it's like a shakespearean scholar sitting next to a regular

578
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:25,820
person watching a shakespearean play if you are hearing james o'keefe say you know you know we'll

579
00:56:25,820 --> 00:56:30,780
bear our arms and bear our souls and you know on this christmas day you'll say oh i know that's the

580
00:56:30,780 --> 00:56:36,540
henry fifth speech out in front of half half lure or out in front of you know whatever but then

581
00:56:36,540 --> 00:56:41,260
somebody's sitting next to it says it just sounds like shakespeare to me but if somebody was to tell

582
00:56:41,260 --> 00:56:47,820
the expert well that is from romia and juliet the person would say i know it's not from robo juliet

583
00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:54,540
i'm a you know that's the mark kulak in the audience where they go whoa no no no no that's

584
00:56:54,540 --> 00:57:00,700
not how it worked that's not how that study actually worked so robert malone i i kind of cast as

585
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:04,940
that sort of character as well on the other side of this story not the reporter but the person

586
00:57:04,940 --> 00:57:09,820
being reported on robert malone is sort of the world's most interesting man he did that commercial

587
00:57:10,940 --> 00:57:15,020
being the world's most interesting man you know about the dos equis commercial but he did it with

588
00:57:15,020 --> 00:57:21,660
wine and he's actually he's actually probably smarter and and plays that role better but when

589
00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:27,660
you get into these details that's where the mark kulak starts catching him and then he gets very

590
00:57:27,660 --> 00:57:33,340
frustrated very angry and then he starts lashing out and saying things you know at people who are

591
00:57:33,340 --> 00:57:38,620
just saying wait a minute i'm just fact checking me i'm the script guy here and you didn't play the

592
00:57:38,620 --> 00:57:51,020
right words so that's what's happening i think right now okay so huh i i feel like i feel like

593
00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:55,340
in order to ask better questions at this point i may have to do some more of my own reading again

594
00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:04,220
so you know where do we go from here yeah i guess i could just um you know toss the ball back to you

595
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:09,660
what are actually i'm going to read something from the chat here here's christian elizabeth

596
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:15,180
i don't know if you know her yet by the way she um she's uh come on rounding the earth a few times

597
00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:21,260
and she does a good research she wrote the themis report um on carolina bonita and a number of other

598
00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:27,260
people and that's been kind of interesting um uh which which interestingly uh when i the last time

599
00:58:27,260 --> 00:58:33,660
i i've seen i've met bob mullin twice uh robert mullin i i call him robert still but uh uh i met

600
00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:41,260
him um i went to san juan for the the san juan summit covid global covid summit kickoff stuff

601
00:58:41,260 --> 00:58:50,380
and then i saw him again at um children's health defense in october and when i saw um robert he was

602
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:56,700
interested in figuring out who carolina bonita was uh and had a private investigator look into it but

603
00:58:56,700 --> 00:59:01,500
we we still don't know exactly what all came out of that but christian elizabeth wrote the themis

604
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:08,140
report that went down um carolina bonita and some other people she asked the question if walker was

605
00:59:08,140 --> 00:59:16,140
trained at the spy school in china run by blackwater then he and o'keefe were both trained by eric prince

606
00:59:18,940 --> 00:59:26,460
i've heard this story before which is uh you know uh project veritas is a blackwater cut out and uh

607
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:31,820
eric prince is the person funding it and so forth and quok you know is in this story the guy who just

608
00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:39,020
got bannon's guy quok who owned all the casinos uh these two massachusetts general hospitals that

609
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:45,260
seem to be coming up in the story uh seem to be funded sort of like their casino medicine like

610
00:59:45,260 --> 00:59:51,580
the casinos have decided to get out of the just being casinos and and and funding these two

611
00:59:51,580 --> 00:59:56,860
massachusetts general hospitals that are there where where they may have worked so there is some

612
00:59:56,860 --> 01:00:04,140
intelligence connections here quok just has gotten arrested uh he has been very closely connected

613
01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:13,340
with eric prince of blackwater he's been accused of using the casino money for blackop type

614
01:00:13,340 --> 01:00:18,940
operations so so there's a lot of that going on and on the china side with shuangwu and jordan

615
01:00:18,940 --> 01:00:27,180
walker also did an intensive five-month mandarin course with with with boston consulting group so

616
01:00:27,180 --> 01:00:32,380
it could and i went to boston i went to the mgh and i went to boston consulting group and i went

617
01:00:32,380 --> 01:00:38,700
to all these places and he wasn't at that location so the only other mgh hospital mass gen hospitals

618
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:43,900
he could have been at would have been the shanghai hospital or the hanin hospital and that would kind

619
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:50,140
of make sense if that was his boss shangwu was his boss but having said all that those are all just

620
01:00:50,140 --> 01:00:58,060
speculations we don't have the the nail down on any of that but but as far as the intelligence

621
01:00:58,060 --> 01:01:03,420
connections at project veritas those really aren't james o'keith those really go to this barry hinkley

622
01:01:03,420 --> 01:01:10,380
the one he fired barry hinkley is the guy that came in who had hinkley yachts they sold hinkley

623
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:16,940
yachts to bain capital mitt romney you know the cia is doing compromise operations on on these

624
01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:22,380
hinkley yachts and so forth so there's so there's all this the intelligence connections that i found

625
01:01:22,380 --> 01:01:29,340
i went to his polo club in wellington florida i went to his yacht club in boca retone i i i followed

626
01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:35,340
all the millionaires and russian billionaire yacht parties he went to he seems to be the guy with the

627
01:01:35,340 --> 01:01:41,020
intelligence connections and i don't think james knew about all those connections matt tierney

628
01:01:41,020 --> 01:01:48,860
right so he he may have been like the handler yeah inserted into the ecosystem uh in order to try to

629
01:01:48,860 --> 01:01:54,540
control o'keith and to be able to to punch the self-immolation button at at the moment when it

630
01:01:54,540 --> 01:02:00,300
needed to be punched um so you know there's that possibility and i've thought about that i've

631
01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:07,420
wondered if if uh o'keith's board uh had somebody inserted or or you know everyone inserted uh perhaps

632
01:02:07,420 --> 01:02:15,580
to sit and watch and to try to control him but to otherwise let him go naturally as much as possible

633
01:02:15,580 --> 01:02:21,980
in order to build up the fact that he was doing good journalism but then to be able to um perhaps

634
01:02:21,980 --> 01:02:28,700
steer and try to try to exhibit you know influence in some ways and so okay i didn't know this o'keith

635
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:32,700
fired hinkley i don't know much about hinkley yet this is some of this is some reading i'm going to

636
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:39,020
have to catch up on uh christian lizba says uh james o'keith publicly posted from eric prince's

637
01:02:39,020 --> 01:02:46,460
property in montana where he said he was training with prince so um and it may be that he well okay

638
01:02:46,460 --> 01:02:52,460
i'll just throw that out there there is places where they used to have these

639
01:02:52,460 --> 01:02:58,300
kind of shakespearean schools where you it's it's intelligence training so you walk out on the stage

640
01:02:58,300 --> 01:03:02,940
and you don't know what play it is and then the characters start talking back and forth and then

641
01:03:02,940 --> 01:03:06,700
they start looking to you to respond and you're supposed to kind of just go with it until you can

642
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:11,740
figure out what play it is right and i think that's the training that they were doing in montana

643
01:03:11,740 --> 01:03:17,420
but i don't think it was the hey let's put the poison dart gun together and see how far we can

644
01:03:17,420 --> 01:03:22,700
shoot the point you know i don't think it was the black ops you know type training that we think of

645
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:28,940
when we think blackwater i think it was more the what they call the soft intelligence side

646
01:03:28,940 --> 01:03:35,180
which is role playing and you're going to be a well executive james bond types things you know

647
01:03:35,180 --> 01:03:42,060
where you go in you have to be some new persona for some role so right right okay this is very

648
01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:52,540
interesting because there's a program that that i grew up in a in an arm of this program that is

649
01:03:52,540 --> 01:03:57,100
the remote viewing program essentially and i've tried to help people understand or try to

650
01:03:57,100 --> 01:04:01,740
investigate it myself and to help people understand i had a brother who was who was

651
01:04:01,740 --> 01:04:07,660
brought very deeply into that he's deceased now but but he wound up you know selling drugs as part

652
01:04:07,660 --> 01:04:12,060
of the rainbow family that followed around like the grateful dead and all that and that had

653
01:04:12,060 --> 01:04:17,980
intelligence connections but what what i've gotten from my understanding of remote viewing a lot of

654
01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:22,940
people go well if there wasn't this actual psychic activity why was it allowed to go on for years

655
01:04:22,940 --> 01:04:27,500
and spent hundreds of millions of dollars doing this and i said well wait you've got to consider

656
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:35,020
that the intelligence agencies were trying to figure out how to create sort of you know guru

657
01:04:35,020 --> 01:04:40,940
actors in a sense who who could who could have followings follow them but maybe be able to

658
01:04:40,940 --> 01:04:45,740
control the actor and what it is that they were projecting and programming into their audience

659
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:51,020
and and this is this has been an argument that i've had and talked about privately but haven't

660
01:04:51,020 --> 01:04:56,380
had the time to develop this yet so this makes a lot of sense to me that o'keefe could be involved

661
01:04:56,380 --> 01:05:03,100
in training where he doesn't actually know the exact methodology for the training and if he

662
01:05:03,100 --> 01:05:07,020
wants something to point to to investigate a little bit further i would say look into

663
01:05:07,020 --> 01:05:15,340
uri geller's story because uri geller's story he was a nightclub magician in israel uh who was

664
01:05:15,340 --> 01:05:20,620
you know he was a model he was known to have good stage presence and he would literally argue to his

665
01:05:20,620 --> 01:05:25,580
audience that i'm actually doing real magic that it's not just a nightclub performance and he was

666
01:05:25,580 --> 01:05:31,420
brought into the stanford research institute which was the inception of remote viewing and

667
01:05:31,420 --> 01:05:37,660
which was then pulled into the dod so we know that this was um you know sort of psychological

668
01:05:37,660 --> 01:05:44,380
work with people who would then be able to be play roles as actors and then brought into the dod

669
01:05:44,380 --> 01:05:51,500
because it was recognized um how it could be weaponized and and you know made into uh part of

670
01:05:51,500 --> 01:05:56,860
the general uh the intelligence program i don't know if i've explained that well i i tried to

671
01:05:56,860 --> 01:06:03,820
pick enough to to give some sense sorry the remote viewing experiments uh exactly what you're saying

672
01:06:03,820 --> 01:06:12,460
was a tremendous uh thing about brain activity so mit as you mentioned sri and and stanford

673
01:06:12,460 --> 01:06:18,300
they brought in the best and the brightest to see if they if it was how they make connections

674
01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:22,940
differently or how they store information differently what makes these people smarter

675
01:06:22,940 --> 01:06:27,500
information differently what makes these people smarter than and so the remote viewing i think is

676
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:34,060
more stimulus to see what the response would be they did a program where they collected the best

677
01:06:34,060 --> 01:06:38,140
and the brightest to see if there was something that they could train to get people everybody

678
01:06:38,140 --> 01:06:43,820
that they had think like these savants well that's the public side having been involved on it uh as a

679
01:06:43,820 --> 01:06:49,100
child where where they tried to train as his children in this program it was all bullshit uh

680
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:55,740
excuse me uh uh i'll since now i you were in it first had experience so you can say whatever

681
01:06:55,740 --> 01:07:00,060
you know yeah i i watched the experiments like with like my brother and literally watched them

682
01:07:00,060 --> 01:07:05,180
alter results you know like like switch my results with his on certain tests and and i would watch

683
01:07:05,180 --> 01:07:11,580
um you know like literally uh like non-verifiable experiments like um you know what number am i

684
01:07:11,580 --> 01:07:16,540
thinking about no matter what he would say it was always like that's correct that's correct but but

685
01:07:16,540 --> 01:07:23,020
nothing to verify it right um it's and and then i watched my brother get trained to be able to tell

686
01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:29,100
people total nonsense and get them to believe it um like it was clear that this was a program that

687
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:35,020
had a a public face that was going to be very complicated but it was it was it was definitely

688
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:40,540
something very different it was an it was more about influence and creating influencers than it

689
01:07:40,540 --> 01:07:45,740
was about anything and that's going to be a complicated conversation um you know maybe you

690
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:50,860
and i can have that conversation um i i want to lay it out more clearly for people on another day

691
01:07:50,860 --> 01:07:56,460
but i just haven't had time um but uh somebody says david koresh and that that's possible um

692
01:07:57,020 --> 01:08:02,940
i i do know that uh that jim channing who brought these programs into the dod did so after going

693
01:08:02,940 --> 01:08:08,780
into california and studying people who were similar to david koresh who ran like compounds and

694
01:08:08,780 --> 01:08:14,940
and uh and their own sort of guru networks so but you know um we're kind of getting a field of the

695
01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:21,980
primary topic um i i wanted to mention that so that people could have some perspective on how it

696
01:08:21,980 --> 01:08:27,900
is that you know the dod and intelligence has been operating for a number of years and creating

697
01:08:27,900 --> 01:08:33,580
programs where that might include you know people like me or people like james o'keefe or something

698
01:08:33,580 --> 01:08:39,260
like that and that we may not know the nature of what it is that they're doing with these programs

699
01:08:39,260 --> 01:08:45,500
yeah i just to throw in uh matt tiermond who sort of was that handler he's also the guy doing the

700
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:51,820
coup with a seven-hour meeting and so forth he has a very different profile he has seven uh 12 years

701
01:08:51,820 --> 01:08:59,180
with james hinkley only has the last four months and he was much uh softer handler with james uh

702
01:08:59,180 --> 01:09:05,660
in the sense that he set james up well with a lot of the interviews he did a lot of talking points

703
01:09:05,660 --> 01:09:12,300
he did a lot of copious notes he really boxed you know drew a box around what was what framed

704
01:09:12,780 --> 01:09:18,060
what was going to be told in the story he moved james off of the lucky charms in the you know the

705
01:09:18,060 --> 01:09:25,420
rutgers lunch room and moved him up into a lot of much more serious journalism and he's kind of this

706
01:09:25,420 --> 01:09:32,220
uh lower middle class uh jewish kid from brooklyn the flatbush you know kind of area and he kind of

707
01:09:32,220 --> 01:09:39,020
is the person striving for the approval of the of the yacht types the road island yacht types like

708
01:09:39,020 --> 01:09:45,900
the hinkley's so so so that worked well with james for some reason that chemistry really worked well

709
01:09:45,900 --> 01:09:51,340
and and the whole apple cart was overturned when hinkley came in and james fired him you know and

710
01:09:51,340 --> 01:09:59,420
then the whole thing unfolds and unravels so it's it's interesting i wonder if i could get uh james

711
01:09:59,420 --> 01:10:04,940
on uh rounding the earth sometime and and and it seems like this is a really good time to have a

712
01:10:04,940 --> 01:10:11,180
different conversation with him um but i'm very curious does he have a website yet as to like what

713
01:10:11,180 --> 01:10:18,780
his next project is going to be yeah omg oh my god is uh omg is his thing i see someone in the uh chat

714
01:10:19,260 --> 01:10:28,380
uh rounding the earth talking about inserm and that's correct that is the um nih of of of france

715
01:10:28,380 --> 01:10:35,900
and one of the heads of inserm who was from leon i went to summer followed up on it uh he was

716
01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:39,980
actually at the ribbon cutting he was one of the people who cut the ribbon at the will on institute

717
01:10:39,980 --> 01:10:49,260
of virology yeah that's ives levy yeah i've levy uh and he definitely has you know uh uh dg uh

718
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:55,740
connections french intelligence connections for sure yeah and that whole thing with macron macron's

719
01:10:55,740 --> 01:11:00,940
macron's very connected with the rothschild banking arm of the french rothschild banking arm

720
01:11:01,500 --> 01:11:06,780
french intelligence so this is exactly correct here this insert yeah yeah and and uh just to

721
01:11:06,780 --> 01:11:13,020
mention uh the two french health ministers um i i can't remember the name of the first one but she

722
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:21,420
went to the organization that funded andrew hill who retracted his ivermectin meta analysis

723
01:11:21,420 --> 01:11:27,020
uh unit aid unit aid um so when when with when wuhan institute of virology was founded she was

724
01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:33,660
with ives levy at the ribbon cutting if i recall correctly and and she uh wound up going to unit

725
01:11:33,660 --> 01:11:39,820
aid as the executive director and controlled the purse strings uh from there the next french

726
01:11:39,820 --> 01:11:47,660
health minister is ives levy's wife agnes buzen and she was the one who was responsible on october

727
01:11:47,660 --> 01:11:55,180
october 8th of 2019 starting the paperwork process to remove hydroxychloroquine from being an over

728
01:11:55,180 --> 01:12:01,100
the counter medicine to put it on the list two poisonous substances so like that that alone

729
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:06,860
right there that's that just screams hey there was preparation for all of this and she's going to be

730
01:12:06,860 --> 01:12:10,780
the person who said it was fish tank cleaner and somebody else it's going to be saying the

731
01:12:10,780 --> 01:12:17,180
horse dewormer you know to trash the existing uh repurposed yeah it's really a fascinating it's a

732
01:12:17,180 --> 01:12:23,260
very small group of people as well uh that's the that's the beauty of this and james is i think

733
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:28,860
about ready to change and kind of caterpillar to the moth from just being a song and dance kind

734
01:12:28,860 --> 01:12:34,380
of guy and i don't mean that in a bad way i mean he's a spectacular superstar journalist but i think

735
01:12:34,380 --> 01:12:39,180
he's about ready to move into this citizen journalism thing like you have with the campfire

736
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:45,500
and mark has and and i try to keep up with you guys that is the future for james o'keith i think

737
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:50,700
that's the promise here where we can win if we really get in there and exploit what we've already

738
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:55,420
like like your campfire has already got all the answers we just need somebody to go in there and

739
01:12:55,420 --> 01:13:00,300
take a swath a scoop of the ice cream every once in a while and create little vignettes two to three

740
01:13:00,300 --> 01:13:06,860
minute vignettes of the ice cream that's already in the in the can there yeah obligatory reminder

741
01:13:06,860 --> 01:13:13,020
the moment i talked to george webb and i mentioned campfire wiki he says oh that's great you know we

742
01:13:13,020 --> 01:13:18,140
need more of those things to draw people toward the moment i mentioned to mark kulak he says oh

743
01:13:18,140 --> 01:13:22,700
that's great i run my own wikis too and i and i can save them that way and blah blah blah

744
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:27,980
um interestingly uh for a year and a half i had trouble getting almost anyone in the medical

745
01:13:27,980 --> 01:13:36,220
freedom movement to acknowledge it get interested in it participate it or promote it and and i i i

746
01:13:36,220 --> 01:13:41,740
try to say that out loud every now and then just to get people to understand that um there's almost

747
01:13:41,740 --> 01:13:46,300
no way in the world that the medical freedom movement uh that a lot of the leadership isn't

748
01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:50,780
compromised right now there are certain people like there are people who've been there for years

749
01:13:51,340 --> 01:13:56,220
um who probably just have so much coming their way they don't have time to pay attention to it

750
01:13:56,220 --> 01:14:01,900
but there are also these new leaders in the movement right um new leaders might include

751
01:14:01,900 --> 01:14:09,820
robert malone um steve kirch uh brett weinstein um i know that like none of the three of them

752
01:14:09,820 --> 01:14:14,540
um seems to have promoted the campfire wiki including brett weinstein who you know was named

753
01:14:15,100 --> 01:14:22,940
sort of in honor of his discussions of knowledge around the campfire right it it it it's been

754
01:14:22,940 --> 01:14:26,940
frustrating me and surprising to me that they haven't been interested in this but i'm really

755
01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:32,780
glad now um that you know you you've sort of jumped in i don't know how long you've been sort of

756
01:14:32,780 --> 01:14:38,060
focused on pandemic research um from the very beginning yeah yeah from the very beginning okay

757
01:14:38,060 --> 01:14:42,860
because i i before the pandemic i'd watched a number of your videos previously but when i

758
01:14:42,860 --> 01:14:47,420
started doing my own research i guess i fell away from watching as many videos so i i didn't know

759
01:14:47,420 --> 01:14:54,300
until more recently that you were tracking all a lot of things um but uh one of the things i since

760
01:14:54,300 --> 01:15:02,540
we talked about that you know mining campfire uh archive the database um peter duke uh hollywood

761
01:15:02,540 --> 01:15:08,780
hollywood uh creative director guy i work with on the west coast he came up with this thing called

762
01:15:08,780 --> 01:15:15,820
readwise it's a it's a collating tool readwise uh it's like insta paper if you remember that

763
01:15:15,820 --> 01:15:22,300
but what it does is it goes through all of your kindle books and i buy a ton of books on kindle

764
01:15:22,300 --> 01:15:27,900
and it takes all your bookmarks and it collates those and then you could also go to campfire wiki

765
01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:34,140
and then pick individual urls and then it has a highlighting tool and so forth and the important

766
01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:41,020
thing it does is it does kind of a interval recall so that once you store it and say i want

767
01:15:41,020 --> 01:15:46,060
to read that later it kind of reminds you of here's the things you highlighted in that article

768
01:15:46,060 --> 01:15:51,020
just kind of brings it top of mind so that you can then go in and read it because i think if you if

769
01:15:51,020 --> 01:15:57,340
if anybody watching this broadcast would just go in into the campfire wiki with your existing

770
01:15:57,340 --> 01:16:06,940
bookmarks and just tag 10 hydroxychloroquine articles or 10 anything 10 remdesivir and write a

771
01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:13,420
three paragraph treatment or do a three minute video of here's what i learned when i wrote these

772
01:16:13,420 --> 01:16:19,740
10 articles it it's it links those things with metadata and now we can find them discovery is

773
01:16:19,740 --> 01:16:22,700
much easier and they'll come up in the social media easier as well

774
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:28,460
just my ad here mark i see the same thing for mark's archive because it's people going through

775
01:16:28,460 --> 01:16:33,660
like i call it the scoop of ice cream into the end of the ice cream vat don't be like joe biden

776
01:16:33,660 --> 01:16:38,380
don't have refrigerators full of ice cream you got to get in there with a scooper and and that's

777
01:16:38,380 --> 01:16:43,740
what i encourage people to do yeah and i think for a lot of people and i'll say this even though

778
01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:49,980
i've thrown a lot of my time into the pandemic um one of my frustrations is like you know where do i

779
01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:54,940
like whenever i'm looking for um like some of mark's information like where do i go to find this

780
01:16:54,940 --> 01:17:01,020
it's actually not easy to um keep up with and be able to interface and i know mark personally

781
01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:09,820
right so so you know if it's difficult for me to access then um then then we probably do need some

782
01:17:09,820 --> 01:17:15,260
tools that that sort of interface and draw the information that we need uh and i've been trying

783
01:17:15,260 --> 01:17:20,540
to tell this to a number of people look um artificial intelligence is being presented

784
01:17:20,540 --> 01:17:25,420
and sold to us as something that is like scary but we actually need to learn these technologies

785
01:17:25,420 --> 01:17:31,500
ourselves and employ them ourselves and have that knowledge be decentralized useful by everybody as

786
01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:40,060
much as possible in order to you know combat the usage of what is a tool by you know larger

787
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centralized figures that can just throw money at the problem and and uh and use it against us so

788
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i i just want to say that out loud to once again encourage people like you know don't don't uh you

789
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know go to anti-technology uh don't become a luddite uh when you know just because we're faced with

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people who seem to be developing these tools for purpose of asymmetric you know warfare or asymmetric

791
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control so you know i just want to say that out loud a few times so that you know you know

792
01:18:08,300 --> 01:18:13,020
just want to say that out loud a few times so that so that people think i can do this myself

793
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and one of the two ways to merge two databases is just to have you and mark did on a show together

794
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and just talk about what's in there because just that cross uh talk between you two guys will will

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generate a huge these collections that we need to focus on uh because it's in the collections when

796
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you kind of do the gathering gathering the string to do the story is what reporters do

797
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and then they can write the story but until you gather the string you can't really write off any

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01:18:39,820 --> 01:18:45,260
sources so so keep doing what you're doing because this is all you know reporters watch this kind of

799
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stuff and they go wow this is great because boom boom boom boom boom here's all my sources i don't

800
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have to go do all that my stuff myself so it's good stuff yeah um so anything else uh you know

801
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moving toward toward wrap up here um you know to me this has been a wonderful conversation because

802
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i can see that you and i have both been um you know collecting sources of information for several

803
01:19:08,300 --> 01:19:13,420
years and as we like compare this sort of like scattering of data points and dots we can see a

804
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lot of connections but we both come at it from completely different directions um just very

805
01:19:18,380 --> 01:19:24,540
organically it seems like um you know so that's that's been very interesting for me to watch and

806
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i'll say this that hasn't happened between me and most of the people in the medical freedom movement

807
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and and i've wondered at times like how much am i being gaslighted by which different people

808
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right and that's the other thing i don't really think of myself as being in any movement um i i

809
01:19:42,860 --> 01:19:47,420
i think of myself as a journalist trying to play it down the middle of the fairway sure my number

810
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one test is if if i did this story about joe biden would that be fair if i'm doing this story about

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trump or whatever um so you know the medical freedom movement and you know it's got a lot of

812
01:20:00,700 --> 01:20:05,820
dnc people in it steve kirch is one of the biggest contributors to the dnc so i i have to

813
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factor that in 20 million bucks is a lot of money so you know you're the rockefeller foundation guy

814
01:20:14,860 --> 01:20:21,340
yeah and and and uh building uh trying to build a central bank digital currency

815
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um as the pandemic got underway um yeah i mean you know there's all of that and

816
01:20:28,940 --> 01:20:36,780
uh let's see where's where's my mind on this how can i wrap this up and frame this um people

817
01:20:36,780 --> 01:20:41,980
people need to talk and people need to pay attention to how it is people are talking

818
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and whether or not they're talking right there needs to be more communication the medical freedom

819
01:20:48,140 --> 01:20:52,940
the medical freedom movement yeah i don't really consider myself in a movement either but it's an

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important concept to just sort of draw a circle around the cluster of people who have influence

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at the moment whether that influence existed before it was cultivated during the pandemic

822
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and and to you know put some sort of a general libertarian label as in people who are saying

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freedom of any sort uh are trying to push back against some control or at least ostensibly

824
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and to you know there's that so it's a term that can't ever be well defined but it has some sort

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of meaning to it and i think um you know certainly we should all sort of say that we're we're a part

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of it if we're interested in freedom um and at the same time um we don't have to identify as in

827
01:21:35,340 --> 01:21:42,940
like it doesn't you know define who we are right um right but but yeah yeah for freedom versus

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censorship absolutely yes and medical freedom is is a fundamental human right so i'm definitely for

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all that yeah i i guess when i uh uh like you say i would it's much more valuable i mean you can have

830
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a bunch of remdesivir seminars for litigation right and if it's a bunch of dnc folks taking the

831
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names i'm like wait a minute that's not a good thing and so irs is gonna be knocking on my door

832
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after i go to the seminar right but but your show if i go to the you know the campfire wiki

833
01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:19,660
and i'm gonna look at all the stuff you've accumulated in hydroxychloroquine i know that

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there's nobody between me filtering me or you know guiding me or sheltering me i i know it's a free

835
01:22:25,340 --> 01:22:32,300
access like wiki leaks you know and that's a very that's freedom that's true freedom not well

836
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you know we only will give you a press pass if you're gonna ask nice questions if you ask any

837
01:22:37,180 --> 01:22:42,060
domain questions you're not you know bob malone rejected they i originally was accepted here in

838
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atlanta for the remdesivir conference and then they revoked it once i got to the seminar

839
01:22:47,260 --> 01:22:52,620
okay so you know what um before before we wrap up i'm gonna i'm gonna toss you one question since

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science is about trying to falsify your views uh and i listened to a wonderful uh karen mullis talk

841
01:22:59,100 --> 01:23:03,500
about that the other day you know you can never prove that you're right but you could prove that

842
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:10,620
you're wrong and and the adventure is trying to prove that you're wrong um give your best defense

843
01:23:10,620 --> 01:23:15,260
of robert malone and then we'll bring this to a close

844
01:23:16,940 --> 01:23:23,980
that's gonna be hard you know my best defense of robert malone is that he really kind of came up

845
01:23:23,980 --> 01:23:33,260
um is not really a hard core scientist um he had a lot of early trouble with his early bosses

846
01:23:33,260 --> 01:23:40,940
indira verma was big into injecting the rna into naked rna and and fat bubble type rna

847
01:23:42,140 --> 01:23:48,140
and so he had a whole kinds of fights with him at uh at at bical the company he was at

848
01:23:48,140 --> 01:23:55,740
he had other run-ins with other people gary rhodes uh who was also injecting the mrna with the fat

849
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bubble and naked rna and then john wolf all of those guys died so it's like or indra verma didn't

850
01:24:03,180 --> 01:24:09,100
die he was kind of sexually compromised but but my point is bob malone isn't moving these people out

851
01:24:09,100 --> 01:24:16,380
of bob malone's way but the way he was moving these people out of bob malone's way was that

852
01:24:16,380 --> 01:24:23,740
he was moving these people out of bob malone's way but the way is being cleared for bob malone

853
01:24:23,740 --> 01:24:31,100
for some reason and i think it's because he presents so well he chooses his words so carefully

854
01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:37,820
he's very clear he he's just like a walking outline on anything he talks about so i think

855
01:24:37,820 --> 01:24:44,940
bob malone has a decision to make do i want to ride the back of the tiger so to speak wing wing

856
01:24:44,940 --> 01:24:50,620
the d.o.d okay he's not on the he's not putting vax viruses all over the world and creating

857
01:24:50,620 --> 01:24:57,740
pandemics he's doing the vaccines but that's still part of the virus vaccine game and i more than a

858
01:24:57,740 --> 01:25:01,980
defense i would offer a challenge to bob malone whose side you want to be on and i guess i'll

859
01:25:01,980 --> 01:25:11,740
leave it there that sounds great uh thanks so much and and he is a complicated topic um and and and

860
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:17,180
i've gone back and forth as to you know as to how much judgment i should have at any point in time

861
01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:21,660
and i've sort of left it open and intentionally not answered the question a lot of people wanted

862
01:25:21,660 --> 01:25:27,260
to like punch my button to make me take sides um but it you know it's an interesting rabbit hole

863
01:25:27,260 --> 01:25:31,980
just you know going down and unraveling his career and thanks for having done some of that

864
01:25:31,980 --> 01:25:36,780
workforce thanks for joining us today george uh it's been uh great to you know we we've talked

865
01:25:36,780 --> 01:25:41,660
by phone but this is the first time we've talked face to face and i appreciate that you come on and

866
01:25:41,660 --> 01:25:46,460
and share your knowledge and and for us to bounce off each other this way i think that this has been

867
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very productive me too it's been fantastic i i knew you were a genius but now i know for sure

868
01:25:53,100 --> 01:26:00,460
so and and and talking to people smarter than yourself it raises my iq i love this so i hope

869
01:26:00,460 --> 01:26:06,300
i don't know if i if i if i'm necessarily smarter than anybody else but it is you know we are we are

870
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:10,860
all smarter when we talk with each other right i mean for sure and that's the way that it should

871
01:26:10,860 --> 01:26:15,580
be so thanks so much and i hope that um you know i know that the rounding the earth audience has

872
01:26:15,580 --> 01:26:21,420
has gotten a lot out of this um well thanks everybody for for joining us uh the uh you know

873
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three digit number of people uh watching uh we we greatly appreciate your support i hope this has

874
01:26:26,220 --> 01:26:31,900
been educational if it has been you know share this conversation with somebody uh you know i don't

875
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:35,260
say this very often go ahead and click that subscribe button i should i should do that and

876
01:26:35,260 --> 01:26:40,940
remind people i know other people do but uh you know uh you know me at this point uh i'm trying

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to i'm focused on the conversation and the people who are who are here and involved as much as i can

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be um and and i you know don't even have enough wherewithal to keep my buttons set but that that's

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the way it is