Hello, everyone.
We get to leap straight past April Fool's Day, and though it feels like everything's
been April Fool's Day for a little over three years.
And I don't think that's going to slow down anytime soon.
But one way or another, we can at least try to make some sense of things.
And today's guest is somebody who's been trying to make sense of things for about seven years.
So he hasn't solved the problem yet.
So you know, well, I don't know if that's his responsibility, but I know it's all getting
crazier.
But the crazier the world gets as it spins around, the more it is that I think each person
as an individual has to imagine himself as a researcher and say, how would I verify some
aspect of reality?
But I think the only way to do that is to do it yourself and then create a trust network
where you get to know the people whom you trust on a day to day basis and have instincts
toward how it is that their research fits into the world.
Otherwise, everyone is sort of giving up proxy trust to a sort of fictitious God that they
don't know how is created.
That would be the position of most people on the earth.
But the way that we can do better than that is to research on our own.
And today's guest is George Webb, who is one of the people most famous on the internet
over the past few years for stepping forward and saying, well, I'm going to research things
on my own.
Welcome George.
I'll let you give your own introduction a step further than that, if you like.
I think that's a great introduction.
I've spent most of the time cracking the code is the easy part.
It's getting the message through.
James O'Keefe wrote the book called The Breakthrough.
Your stuff is fantastic on Substack.
You have 30,000 some followers.
You've done a great job of building this trust network like I have.
That's half the battle, I think that's 90% of the battle actually.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's not simple to go and find people and talk to them.
And it gets complicated in all kinds of ways because with every story, it feels like you
have to do some of these pieces all over again.
Right?
Well, every individual is going to have different expertise.
My background is technology.
You're a mathematician.
You're kind of a polyglot though.
So you don't fall in any one category, I don't think.
But most people do have kind of an area of expertise.
So there is a coordinating function that is required.
What we tried to do was do these little get togethers of citizen journalists called charrettes.
We've run about 32 of them, run them all over the country, some in Europe.
Can you say that word again?
Called what?
It's called the charrette.
It's a French word for sort of a conclave.
It comes from actually when Napoleon was decimating Paris to redo Paris and he built the opera
house and there were so many artists working simultaneously on the opera house.
They had a little cart called the charrette that they would put the plans in with the
latest takeoffs so that the guy who was doing the framing didn't put an ambulature right
over something that wasn't there a minute ago.
So it is kind of like a crucible of research is the bottom line.
So and you brought up the name James O'Keefe and I figured we would steer toward that today
and I mean honestly we could talk about whatever you wanted to but that's been one of the interesting
topics.
You know a few weeks ago he came out with this explosive video with the Pfizer guy with
Tristan Walker and it was the biggest project veritas story ever by a lot from what I've
heard which surprises me only a little bit.
I mean I guess it doesn't surprise me but the amount that it was the biggest one by
surprises me perhaps but it was also I guess Robert Malone sort of jumped on board the
presentation of it and I got calls over the next two or three days just people you know
asking you know what is going on with this.
So James O'Keefe now he's another person who came in with a different approach to journalism
and I'm going to say this I'm going to give an opinion on James O'Keefe just because I
don't know how much this sets things up but I just want to say it out loud.
The first time I heard of him was his ACORN report.
I don't know exactly when that was a decade or 12 years ago.
Am I in the ballpark?
14 but certainly he was doing kind of these shock videos first and gradually moving toward
solid journalism as we go.
Okay okay so I saw the ACORN one and then I heard the criticism oh you know it's like
gotcha journalism or something like that and I could sort of understand that criticism
at the same time I could sort of appreciate what he was doing and having you know hindsight
you get to think about these things for longer right and one thing that I've realized over
time is would any of this journalism ever get done without a mode like that.
It's almost like technology was evolving and there was this era in which he jumped in with
gotcha shock videos and you know what it was actually it was it was pretty effective was
I mean I guess you'd have to go on a case by case question ask did he violate any ethical
boundaries or anything anything like that.
I'm not sure if he did I don't think that he did but I'd be open for any discussion
on that end.
From what I can tell his stories were pretty much true in every legal challenge he would
win so now now he may have come to the end of a road he may have poked in a bush that
caused the Hornets to well up on a board that he had with Project Veritas that had enough
control over his job that they could at any one moment mob him and and destroy Project
Veritas which I assume Project Veritas is destroyed.
I assume this was self-immolation because I can't imagine anyone else taking the helm.
Yeah well I think they're still rolling and Matt Turmond wants to keep going and James
Hink or Barry Hinckley want to keep going but they did a pretty good job of blinding
themselves or like you say self-immolation.
I think of James O'Keefe as sort of like the guy you have out at the mine who's the explosive
expert he really doesn't know metallurgy or anything you know it's just kind of like he
he drills the holes and puts the dynamite in there and blows out a whole bunch of stuff
and then the guys with the axe and picks and magnifying glasses and the rock kits they
go in after him at least that's how I love to follow up James and he certainly uncovered
with this kind of orc chart a kind of a roadmap a treasure map to finding that the story of
how mRNA happened how remdesivir was resurrected how you know hydroxychloroquine was knocked
down hive or mectin was knocked down it's really been an incredible journey or dig if
you will.
Yeah and by the way hydroxychloroquine that was the story that actually sort of brought
me into all this I was paying attention to the studies from essentially day one you know
February 2020 and onward but you know focusing back on on James O'Keefe for a moment I guess
he is now saying that that his next direction is citizen journalism from what I understand.
Yeah look at those books I spent seven years trying to develop that out and you know James
is it's sort of like him running in front of the parade great because he's such a mega
power mega star I'm happy that he's bringing so many people to the game and he started
out with the hidden cameras and but now he's shifting to where we are which is no anybody
with just a cell phone iPhone so it's the more the merrier the more people doing this
the better it's the only chance I think we have at getting it to the truth really.
Yeah kind of makes me feel a little bit validated well and one thing I appreciate in my conversation
with you and this has been frustrating to me and it has made me wary of a lot of what
has gone on in the medical freedom movement which is that what I've told people about
the Campfire Wiki the Campfire Wiki and for anybody who's watching who may not know Campfire
dot Wiki is a Wiki that was created a year and a half ago at this point maybe even longer
I mean it was it was a group of people who came to me and said hey you know we'll help
you work on projects so it's citizen journalism and we said hey we need a place to store things
so we came up with Campfire Wiki sort of a nod to the you know the conversation I guess
Brett Weinstein may be most associated with it yeah thank you okay I'll be your graphics
guy yeah it doesn't look quite as good on the phone as it does on the website but but
you know Campfire discussions was was maybe currently best attached to Brett Weinstein
but what you know we said hey we just need a Wiki that is not controlled like Wikipedia
right and Wikipedia and you know today with the chat GPT or if I'm saying that right with
the chat bots the AI that's coming up they go out and they find information and they
they focus a lot on Wikipedia and by having a rule such that you have source control you
cannot quote a source that's not like officially approved you know I think that if you step
a decade back that that rule created an incentive for corruption of those streams and that the
only way to unwind that is to have some some sort of like a citizen journalism that happens
and that is documented through through a wiki and and that brings you know the 800 pound
gorilla is that the the celebrity journalists I guess we can call James O'Keefe and a celebrity
journalist I don't mean that to be anything other than he's he's just you know so well
known right gorilla you call the 800 pound gorilla yeah yeah yeah celebrity journalist
you know he's he's gonna be immensely popular and that that he would bring a lot a lot of
attention to that but you know stepping stepping back again now so he has the Tristan Walker
story the Pfizer story so that comes out and you you wind up having conversation with him
I watched that and my immediate reaction to it was there's something weird about this
it is being presented in real time with commentary by Robert Malone almost as if it's like a
documentary when you watch somebody give commentary on something it's usually not like commentary
as in hey this just happened an hour ago the way that he gave commentary it felt to me
more like a documentary in a sense and I'm looking back I'm trying I'm trying to ask
myself why it looks so weird of course it looks weird because Tristan Walker's freak
out moment is this like it's just reality TV drama moment right I mean he is he is the
guy that you would pick if you just wanted a reality TV drama moment and then and then
you have to ask well was he picked because he would be the reality TV drama moment and
then you ask well where would that selection occur and and I don't I don't believe that
James O'Keefe made that selection which which made me scratch my head right made me pull
out my hair and in by which I mean hair in the singular thinking about you know what
you know what is actually going on here well and there were some people who just wanted
it to be like a cut and dry like here you can see this is how Pfizer operates but then
digging in just a little bit Tristan Walker was this sort of like plug-in man it seems
who had who did not have anything like a lengthy career with any one institution but was all
over the place with Boston Consulting Group and he was and he was not as high on any one
totem pole as the title of his position might seem it's like these titles get inflation
over the years and then and then you and James start talking and this is one of the places
I want to give shout outs to a number of people Mark Kulak you know came into the story looking
a little bit deeper but I'm just gonna I set this up I'm just gonna let you talk about
this for a few minutes here sure well first of all I work a lot with Mark and we have
gone to charrettes together the first one in Annapolis I've met Mark up in near where
he lives in Boston he's the deep dive guy you know when you send the guy in for the
last guy to get into the tunnel that's Mark he really goes deeper than anybody in the
tunneling for finding the information so he has a whole repository just like you do you
have campfire.wiki with all these articles he has the same sort of database for entities
and then he has this huge video archive so you know we're my thing I think about is how
do I take a slice from all this every day and and give this stuff the advertising that
it needs or exposure that it needs but with James really it was Google what's it called
a compound search and you just put in you know Gordon Christian Walker and anything
and I did coronavirus and it came up with this Boston consulting group paper now I would
have thought a whole bunch of people would have done that search like you know 50 million
people have viewed this thing I'm not going to be the first guy who thinks of a compound
search for Jordan Walker and coronavirus but I mean isn't that the first thing you would
think of as well has this guy written anything or done any speaking engagements and what
came up was this paper and the paper was this Boston consulting group paper which really
resurrects remdesivir like whoa he did he have any background in remdesivir before anything
with Gilead before this no and then Mark found a core like an hour later found the corollary
paper for mRNA that Boston consulting group wrote and and the significance was like you
said the timing it was occurring in May when nobody knew anything Boston consulting group
had this worldwide network of the global physician network or the global expert physician network
and so they were the gurus of this new novel thing and so everybody was on their heels
listening to Boston consulting group and they really rem create a standard of care for remdesivir
even though it was a failed Ebola drug and the WHO even knocked it down and then they
create the space race sort of for the mRNA and then they slow foot all these other repurposing
studies which is Robert Malone and Mark's done a lot of things on Robin Malone and how
this domain thing was slow footed and they drug their feet on it still going three years
later so it almost made sure that we would end up with remdesivir and mRNA yeah and it's
a really strange rationale to supposedly remdesivir popped up from this domain program do M&E
this artificial intelligence selection tool and I call this into question for a lot of
reasons because one it this is a drug that had never been proven to work with anything
and had a high level of known toxicity its association with coronavirus for instance
is as generic as an association might get given that you would need to use it early
you would need to use it early for it to be effective as an antiviral that's what it's
proposed for it's extremely expensive making it a bad antiviral right in terms of you know
cost benefit analysis so like already you have like this giant knock against the idea
that it would be useful for anything it never actually worked for anything before and if
it were going to work now on something as generic as a coronavirus you would think that
the people who created it would have been trying to apply it to coronavirus or rhinovirus
or something like that in the past historically but all of a sudden it pops out of this artificial
intelligence program with you know the zero success thing it's very very weird it looks
nonsensical on face but I'm gonna bring up this one piece of information the I can't
remember what it's called but the coronavirus like medical board that was put together
it was chaired by pence you know this list of people it's industry insiders you have
16 people who have known connections to pharmaceutical industry nine of those with gilead specifically
and when you watch the history of this panel two of those members removed their association
with gilead over the first like two or three months of the panel when you when you find
the panel and you go through the the timeline on the way back machine you can see people
dropping off like like suddenly excluding their their past history with gilead so there's
there's so much to that story already and then boom we suddenly we have tristan walker
and we have this presented through project veritas before james o'keefe can can do you
know deep dives into every aspect of this and then presented by robert malone who had
a connection back to this domain program yeah so i i'm gonna i'm just gonna leave that for
you to pick up you you made a lot of good points i mean the first one coronavirus task
force coronavirus task force looks like uh sort of the nazis burning the papers uh you
know in 1945 may 1945 as the allies are closing in on berlin i mean they're they're getting
rid of all associations with this um the person that becomes like the the corona whisperer
is a guy from the 9 11 days his name is steven hatfield he's with a company called latos
saic latos saic is who cuts the purchase orders for domain so lei dos bob malone has worked
the last 10 years for latos so right away it seems like wait a minute you're we're putting
a guy on the task force he's not implicitly or explicitly named but he's the advisor to
peter navarro who's who's trump's kind of a key advisor during all this he's the guy
who's talking about hydroxychloroquine and so forth so latos is covering both angles
here right they're covering the new stuff that they want with the old this guy was also
steven hatfield like hatfellow rain his he was the guy suspected of the anthrax bombing
for about three years three to five years the anthrax bomber the person who they thought
sent the anthrax letter to lehi and then the anthrax letter to dash all the senate majority
intel leader and then the house but intel that guy is steven hatfield that's the guy
they put in latos put in to be the coronavirus whisper that seems weird and then latos doing
the domain software and going away from their tried and true tool to this new piece of software
up in montreal uh where there's really a 33 old kid's first gig and mark kulak again gets
the good credit here he identified the real program called reframe and reframe was really
uh the program to look at repurposed stuff and reframe had come up with ivermectin the
ai program had looked at the binding affinity and lock and key and all that and it had come
up with ivermectin in 2016 for darpa so they needed to pull reframe out of the frame here
and they needed to reframe it around a new thing which didn't work yet uh which was domain
um have you talked with jj kuwait yet i have seen him so many times and i was i i haven't
talked to him directly no one day if possible i'd love to have you guys on at the same time
because i'd be curious the mixing of the conversation but i was in i was talking with him the other
day about what is possible to do with artificial intelligence right when i look at the domain
program so i have a background in finance at the end of my career on wall street i was
actually doing machine learning work like coming up with algorithms to try to combine
stock trading with stock option trading but you know one way or another um you know machine
learning uh artificial intelligence kind of gets overhyped in a lot of in a lot of domains
um you know i was reaching for that word accidental pun um so you know can can an artificial intelligence
program you know competently promote the correct drug in a situation with with something like
a pandemic outbreak and i think even if the information level were very very high i think
it's it's the answer is basically no and the claim is kind of like surgesphere right um
the claim is would require like this hefty leap to happen at this one special moment
in time when you needed for it to happen for a very particular narrative but the the equivalent
of this of this achievement is kind of like monkeys uh suddenly having the infinite typewriters
um like literally being able to to go through more computations than than computers could
possibly go through in the entire history of the universe um or before the sun burns
out it's nonsensical on face and and you know this is this is part of what we have people
need to understand about the level of psyops that we seem to be going through in in modern
technology and all of that um having having said i was making a comparison to surgesphere
and i i want you to hear this one because i think it'll help you uh frame some things
surgesphere um do you know that story do you know about the surgesphere paper on hydroxychloroquine
no tell me okay so in um may of 2020 uh this guy sepp and desai who created this company
surgesphere really he created to be like a textbook company over a decade ago but it
was failing um suddenly he starts publishing papers and the second paper he ever publishes
is data from all over the world from six continents and hospitals everywhere um and it says that
hydroxychloroquine doesn't work and it would have required an elaborate network of instantaneous
data collection that would have been essentially impossible given all of like you know hippot
ish laws from all over the world from dozens of countries uh to be able to grab and import
all this data and have it run through a database very very quickly and uh when this came out
it was i believe it was may 22nd 2020 the day that it came out i i told my wife my wife's
a biochemist and we were watching hydroxychloroquine i said i said this and i was trying to convince
her that all this stuff was a fraud i think she she came she understood i think after
the surgesphere but day one i told her i said this is a fake paper i know it like this is
so nonsensical on so many levels and we talked it through um and and with about a week and
a half later it was like a week later was retracted it was forcibly retracted because
there were enough of us who knew that it was a fraud immediately that we just all hit the
internet and we were just like you know uh we we've got to to push back at this one immediately
so uh it's this big data project that is pushed forth and to make people think oh well we
do have these whizzy machines that can do things automatically and instantaneously um
no uh you know you've got to dig into these things and ask the question you've got to
dig into these things and ask the question is this does this make sense at all and domain
is another example where it just does not make sense the technology is not there to
do this and in fact it's impossible for it to be there to do this and one way that that
viewers can can know this is that we have uh we have databases of like tens of thousands
of toxins that pharma studies and and they they study these toxins in order to make new
medicines about every kind of ailment anything from viruses to cancers to whatever and if
we if we had this level of power uh with artificial intelligence you would probably see it being
applied to that to those databases of toxins to figure out what what plucks the harps accord
of human health well enough to solve all these other problems but now suddenly boom you have
this novel coronavirus and pandemic and they have this artificial intelligence machine
yeah there's the retraction from lancet yeah yeah and uh and and and the the authors admitted
they you know nobody has even said that they've ever seen the database like that's how weird
this all is um but but this i think that uh that the domain is it's it's aggressive nonsensical
i call this governance by aggressive nonsensical gurus it's this gang mentality um for trying
to convince people that the world is in this you know this certain way and they can push
any fact on you that they want by simply saying you know big data says so so so that's where
we are with this we have um you know domain coming up with remdesivir just amazingly you
know uh picks this one very expensive drug that winds up being used as late treatment
even though even though it would really only work if it were early treatment and it is
very expensive and this is attached to this domain program and put forth by robert malone
and now we come full circle with james o'keefe and he is in for whatever reason he coupled
with robert malone to present this so again i i want to i want to pass that off to you
and ask because i i know that you you followed this story you and you and mark in particular
and you know more about what's happened since that moment than anyone you did you find the
boston consulting group um information and pass it on to a keith yes in the moment he
had it boom he was fired uh the moment he had it he tweeted it out he wasn't fired or
the the coup or the forced uh furlough wasn't till the next day uh where he was on the plane
and they started the board meeting as soon as he got in the air and all that that story
with matt tiermon the seven-hour board meeting and the pregnant woman with the sandwich but
i should have known about this surges here so that's why i keep putting up all the uh
things for for your reference but mark found the second paper so between these two papers
we at least had some firmament to stand on with our arguments about jordan walker and
understand who he was he had a lot more stuff with board boston consulting group and that
led to the key guy schweitzer who runs boston consulting group being a pawn of claus schwaab
in world economic forum and he had just spoken at davos and then if you go up to to address
your ai thing um the his boss um again o'keith puts out this work chart and the boss of jordan
walker is somebody called schwang sarah woo and schwang sarah woo with s-h-u-a-n-g uh
sarah like the normal s-a-r-a-h woo uh she is an ai person she's a biostatistician who
only a couple of months before worked for biogen the super spreader conference in boston
and she was a mckenzie consultant like jordan walker was so it seems like like you said
plugins they're just plugging these people in to take certain roles right at the last
minute to kind of create a like you would plug in an actor into a stage show and she
had a patent in 2018 schwang woo did well she had a 2013 with raytheon where bob malone's
dad worked in ai um and uh her husband does ai as well for alexa's speech for amazon in
cambridge so they were in new york but then they moved to cambridge for the last three
or four years so who worked for alexa her husband her husband and the person she wrote
the patent with also worked for alexa's speech so if you're in the ai world and i'm not an
ai programmer but we used to try to do it for computer interfaces mainly the bridge
the human computer interface hci interface for for just user creature features to make
programs easier um and uh she she wrote alexa's speech is um what they call weak ai uh because
the sound waves are really clear and you know you should be trying to interpret that and
then you filter out noise and once you get a speech pattern you you can map that pretty
much to everything else the person says and even that's a difficult problem i mean anybody
who drives around with you know google assist you know knows that uh that has barely moved
forward in five years yeah it's it's it's actually gotten better it's gotten better
especially speech to text especially if you go through this training period uh you know
but in uh you know all these different uh speech to text programs but that's where they
come from so they took a person who had this patent 2013 in weak ai and then tried to kind
of pass her off at this like you said going from that is sort of like driving your volkswagen
out to the saturn five rocket and watching the launch that's fairly weak uh you know
it's not very complicated programming the saturn five to get to the moon and then come
back safely with everybody living in the capsule that's the other thing which is this moonshot
type technology yeah and it's even worse than that this is like going from horse and buggy
to like you know um intergalactic travel through wormholes or folding space or something like
that yeah claims it just cannot be verified uh but doing so in a matter of five years
right yeah and so she had some chops in ai and so did her husband so did her co-inventor
what's really interesting is she gets in a patent in 2018 for hacking into or rewriting
the interface for johnson controls and york air conditioning for america's hospital systems
85 of the u.s hospital systems are running york air conditioning and then most of our
plants you know major industrial infrastructure runs on johnson controls so now she's getting
a pro a patent in that it seems more like something that you would train a hacker to
do than than somebody who's trying to solve coronavirus right so so she also has two
papers that she writes with pfizer um and again you just type right i mean i looked
at the thing james put out and i just typed and coronavirus it's compound search shwang
sarah woo and coronavirus and immediately two papers come up that she wrote as a consultant
uh light speed one and light speed two light speed one was sort of uh talking about how
they were going to do mrna with them uh for vaccines and then how they were going to do
mrna for everything else for all the therapeutics sort of like in a tandem with what jordan walker's
papers were and what was even better about it was her co-author was the next person up
on the tan on the totem pole which is the guy named mical dulston who has been a you
know uh smart hospitals uh replace all doctors with ai wef guy i mean is a pattern emerging
here do these people seem like they're being slotted in to push an agenda for mrna and
smart hospitals and so forth so that leaves borla so you type in borla with and coronavirus
and you get a lot of different things but if you type in mrna you'll get this paper
he wrote basically agreeing with that whole stack of all those papers saying yes this
is the future of this big pharmaceutical 250 billion dollars in pharmaceutical we're going
to do everything in vaccine but that we're just getting started we're going to do cancer
we're going to do the heart drugs we're going to do the metabolic drugs we're going to do
the rare diseases is coming so it seems like this is almost you know ready to go and they
just hit the go button on this okay so i i have not because i'm i'm involved in other
projects i've not had a chance to go deep on uh shuang sarah woo yeah i'm gonna mention
this to you though um i have a history that usually allows me to go deep quickly on people
her age i don't know how much you know about my background but i helped build this uh company
called art of problem solving years ago you know 20 years ago we started building it and
uh it was a project for uh gifted you know mathematically precocious gifted youth we
created um a new educational system for them like i wrote a textbook a number theory textbook
for 11 to 16 year olds right and and we started um you know like mit changed their curriculum
um to fit you know what the students we were bringing them who were often like at the end
of the undergraduate track you know by the time they entered mit um because of this network
there's like a million students who've been through art of problem solving we teach a
lot of the where we taught a lot of the students who would go to like the international math
olympiad i can usually reach into that network and find people that i hear who are high level
mathematicians working on projects if you said google brain if you say you know alexa
voice or whatever um i can usually within an hour get somebody on the phone who knows
somebody who's involved in one of those projects an interesting thing to me was this name pops
up shuang sarah wu and i don't know anyone who knows her so you know uh you know and
this is like this is a first for me that that a name pops up in in a you know an ai math
program and i don't know anybody who can who can talk about having gone to school with
her worked on projects with her where did she come from first of all and um what you
know what is this i i read on your sub stack something about her having many different
linkedin profiles that that may have been populated uh at a similar time so i want to
know what you know well she uh she comes from shanghai and there is a massachusetts general
hospital in in shanghai uh it's called the uh hai hao i think it is but but we were looking
at basically we just like you said we're we didn't have the course for all the you know
the intelligence agencies had these recruiting programs for math geniuses right and that
sounds like what you were in and and then julia sange was in a similar type program
in australia where they were calling all the top math people and trying to get them to
you know they teach them french teach them how to dance teach them which fork to use
and all that because that's where they need the polishing but then the math just chew
that up and so so so that's sort of um what i think she is uh kind of a polyglot math
genius person who can kind of be fitted to whatever the situation needs to be and that
certainly was this uh you know kind of uh get us all across the threshold from the old
way we used to discover drugs to the new way and it's going to be mrna because we're going
to be the new operating system we're going to be the new people that who decide and will
print the drugs you just tell us the code and then we'll print it for you but we're
going to be that security middle layer in this whole process so if you want one that
i know too that you're going to know a whole bunch of people one is the cancer moonshot
in dolston this third person up on the totem pole in the james o'keefe michael dolston
uh m i k e a l he's from the university of ulm in sweden the southern tip of sweden
but he's a been a nato guy nato bio warfare guy with carl built in nato for 20 years i
mean that's his background but he's lived in new york for 10 years and he was the cancer
moonshot guy for joe biden he's the cancer moonshot and he's also the biomarker the human
biomarker project project which came after the human genome project he is is that guy
uh which is very significant because biomarkers are the first thing that pop up when a bioagents
release and then it'll perturb the human system somehow and the and the third one is the human
viro project which is a joint venture between the u.s. uh at uc davis uh with bob malone
and and uh eco health alliance and then george gao who ran the chinese cdc um and this reframe
program which is mark hulak's the one who found it he's like no if they were trying
to do the ace 2 they wouldn't have been looking at the histamine receptor they would have
been looking at ace 2 reframe actually looks at the ace 2 and it is this joint u.s. intelligence
chinese intelligence project and domain is this new lent literally the kid who who came
up with this he's a genius kid no question about it molecular forecasters in in montreal
that they picked um literally he worked at lens crafters right before he went into his
own business this is first project so um so mark is the one who really kind of tore the
cover off this and said what's the real infrastructure with this yeah and and it's been fun to keep
digging i i do spaces every day to dig on it and we do videos and and we do research
compound searches it's really where where anybody can take any of the information and
then do digging on it and then move the ball forward okay um so this is interesting so
we have this these connections now these these joint projects between the u.s. and china
they seem to involve intelligence in between as in you know maybe intelligence and intelligence
connecting um now uh china is supposed to be our adversary and i've i've tried to hypothesize
relationships between the u.s. and china and um you know other than uh i don't know if
you know who matthew errat is he seems to be uh okay um for anybody who's not watching
he seems to be in in the sort of um social sphere now of of the last american vagabond
and uh whitney webb and johnny vedmore and some other people um and uh he he has he's
saying some things that i've tried to insert into the conversation like like um the relationship
between the u.s. and china may not be what we've been told it was by the television for
the last 40 years or 50 years um that that uh you know when you look at the history of
china from the opium wars onward the west crushed china went in established all kinds
of control networks the rise of mao has a lot of elements of looking like it was you
know western-led western controlled in particular um the state department gave him the money
not shang kai shack uh and then um apparently mao was also taking money then along the way
from western cigarette companies so you have moneyed relationships um that seem to be steering
mao to some degree but there's a lot of there's a lot of evidence that should at least be
looked at that that the u.s. established control networks in china now it may be there are
multiple factions in china right um china is obviously a very large nation and um and
it may be that the u.s. has good control over certain factions in china and then then there
may be rival factions so i've been trying to work out like you know to what extent is
you know to what extent is china really operating on behalf of the u.s. or on behalf of the
west and obviously we know it was france who went in and uh designed and built the wuhan
institute of virology's bsl4 there was no bsl4 in all of mainland china right western
and even the french intelligence agency said please don't do this but but uh uh what's
their agency that's like the nih um if if ivs levy um uh anyway uh france went in and
built um built the bsl4 there and was supposed to send over 50 staff but china right when
those bills said nope we don't need your staff we're just going to run this alone
so now we've got these relationships between the u.s. and china so what do we know what's
what's going on there well first clue is the guy who runs uh uh in cambridge who runs moderna
right now steven bandsell was at bio mario you mentioned mario which is this uh kind of a the
bio lab arm of synovia venice for developing and dealing with the synovia venice drugs uh passed
to our institute etc but bio mario m e r i o i u x something like that e i u x so he built the lab
he built the leaky leaky lab he had the most to gain by uh building a leaky lab because he built
the leaky lab mrna vaccine he built the lab to respond to the leaky he built the vaccine to
respond to the leaky lab so that's what's that name again oh bio mario it's m e r i e u x and and and
steven bandsell was the key person of before he became the ceo of of moderna and he and he built
the lab i mean bio mario built that lab so there so there's a lot of connections right there but
but but i love the way you're going with the boxer rebellion and the opium wars and all that because
if you look back to the british east india company and and the dutch east india company even had a
trade concession in wuhan right along the wuhan river there there was a german one as well and
then you know they're all there and they were all there in shanghai they were all there in nanzheng
they had the uh down in uh the south uh shanghai i think had of them and then further around down
to guangzhou they had had a trade concession so so you're right it's the old trade concessions
that's the footprint here of the intelligence agencies here and it's the same money the
hardin matheson bank you know whitney webb writes a lot about this johnny vedmore did more
claus family values but what you web wrote a lot about the china hands with the cia you know going
back and forth uh supporting shanghai shack with the bio weapons and then moving on but that all
was based in wuhan so that's pretty interesting but our investigation moved it forward a little
bit more to more blackwater blackwater health in hong kong with a guy named matt pottinger
and matt pottinger was the key guy who was on the national security council that made the
recommendation to uh to trump about coronavirus in china he was also the guy who was in the state
department during sars in 2003 2002 2003 his father stan pottinger was also the key advisor
to kissinger so it's very this intelligence connection that you hit on is critical because
that is the answer to the test i think when it's all said and done there has to be a coordinating
body between these two behemoths to know who are the key people to put together in a task force to
get this thing done and i think you you hit on it it's it's got to be somebody in the middle and of
course um you know blackwater starts the spy school in hong kong right before the breakout so
that's that's maybe a smoking gun here is shuang wu and jordan walker are they graduates of that
spy school you know that's speculation at this point uh but like you said they do seem to get
plugged in here like it's an op right so okay um liam asked the question all these profiles on
linkedin of shuang sarah wu um it are are these do we know if these are the same person um you
you'd mentioned in an article that they seem to have been created you know in the ballpark at the
same time is this some sort of like confusion trail mess um or or is there any way for us to
know is it just you know too much data shotgun will never quite figure it out well there are
a certain services that you can subscribe to that investigators use like truth finder checkmate
uh instant checkmate those kind of services so if you look at those services they have a central
person who's not shuang wu creating all these chang wu's uh there is a real pictures of a real
seminar with real quotes you know where shuang wu is pictured at biogen so we think that's the
real shuang wu on the on the one that um james o'keefe put it's just the her name there's no
picture and to this day you know i've asked james and so forth and asked the whole project for
airtoss folks has anybody produced a picture other than mine at the biogen now it could have
been uh when you create these fake linkedins it's to uh reach out to various different biopharma
organizations so there was about 20 of these and they're all coming from one person um about 20
of these that are in the bio area so let's say i'm uh let's say maderna now i reach out to all my
friends and develop a friend network in maderna and then i do the same thing with uh you know the
various other bio companies in cambridge because what i want to do in in at the super spreader event
at the end of february i want to create sort of a mass formation psychosis around getting everybody
to believe that everything you knew like you said about drug development with test tubes and pipettes
and robotics well plates and all the things that you know works we have to suspend that thinking
for a little bit and think a computer actually could spit out the answer right and so we have
to go through this kind of we're all stupid we don't know anything about this new novel thing
and now this thing spits out the right answer and bob malone is the guy who spits it out with a book
he says hey i got sick with this fomotadine with um coronavirus and i put out this thing
pepsidac fomotadine and actually worked so let's look at this fomotadine and let's let's not look
at ivermectin let's not look at hydroxychloroquine it's a very interesting time we don't have all the
information yet we're still digging so that's a very speculative answer right and you know for
anybody i don't talk about it as much as i used to but i have um i i did a series the chloroquine
wars that where i've got over 100 articles in the very beginning of that i i put out a lot of
information um including uh the fact that hydroxychloroquine had been studied since 2004
shortly after sars-cov-1 uh their papers um kaertz and uh and eventually um uh didier riehl um the
the most published microbiologist in the world from france um he's got one from like 2007 um so
you would think hydroxychloroquine would pop up first out of some sort of a machine when you have
multiple papers you know that had tested you know chloroquine in particular but hydroxychloroquine
is basically the same thing just a little less toxic um you would think that that that this machine
would spit that out near the top of the list if not the very top right um so the you know that's
very suspicious and weird and just nonsensical you know frankly but mark kulak i think solved that
because he he pointed me to the reframe when i found out reframe was actually pointed at the ace
two you're right it would spit out ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine but they pointed at a different
receptor called the histamine receptors which are mainly in your nose you know the cingulaire and
zyrtec was two of the things that spit out it spit out all things for nasal passage type stuff
so that may have been the gypsy switch that they did with this new domain and then histamine rather
than uh like you just said it would it should have come out with things that were uh coronavirus like
and they okay okay this is this is a big moment then i i didn't i i saw mart talking about this
but didn't have time um to focus in on it um this is revelatory right here and and i'll i'll give a
scientific take on this so um now they they may have run this program on both ace two and the
histamine and only published the result right like unless you have a perspective like we're
going to go in and we're going to run the program this way you know have the perspective the
perspective plan published and then the result then it's very suspicious like and why did they
only run it for the histamine now um going back also like i said i don't believe that such a program
is trustworthy i think that it's nonsensical in fact but just the fact that you could get two
different sets of outputs by focusing on ace two and focusing on the histamine receptor suggests
that you have a deep flaw in the actual algorithm you it shouldn't it shouldn't change the answer
if the algorithm is going to give you a result that would be you know that would be necessarily
the best result right like if you can change such a such an important parameter and get totally
different results then you should not trust any of them without then you know checking all of the
other ones so so already like that that already should debunk the notion that this thing would
have been trustworthy by anyone who understands a simple logic tree i mean you know who understands
ai and and and the logic tree so yeah that objection actually came out by a scientist
what you just said there you okay yeah you aimed at the wrong thing there's this guy named
kanekliaro in the in the study in the domain study who's kind of the hero he's the northwell
in the northwell study bob and malone worked for alchem and then alchem is the in charge of fair
ferreting out these little studies so they have this kanekliaro runs this study kanekliaro says
you've got to include hydroxychloroquine for exactly what you just said just like hey i've
had a whole career in this i know hcq should be on the list and it's not it's all nasal it's all
histamine and he's like and this is where there's a big falling out between malone and the board
that the review board and this is why malone supposedly says he leaves the study and this
could jeopardize the study so we don't have all the information but your instincts here are spot
on and and mark found that too as well i just throw give credit where credit's due i should
have mark on again soon um this is this is fantastic i feel like i'm learning very quickly in in real
time about this so um you know one one thing that frustrated me was there was sort of a rush to
judgment a little bit with um with the project veritas story and you know it's understandable
it's such a heavy topic and then you know it seems like such a you know it is such a large bomb but i
i felt like you know this may take weeks to sort out maybe you know and it wasn't my primary focus
but but that that different people were going to be able to take the same story put their own
information framing around it right put their put their own framing around it and sell it as
something different and and a lot of people might do this accidentally like take one of these
framings and then you know and then run with it as as this is what the story is right and there are
a lot of people who who do this because they trust james o'keefe um it sounds like you you find james
o'keefe trustworthy i do okay um i haven't found any any particularly good reason not to i know
that he has a couple of interpersonal conflicts but uh you know without without you know digging
deeply into those like i know that he's he's won all his lawsuits over his information right it
it looks like he he's done a pretty good job at the journalism aspect over the years um so but and
so a lot of people i think wanted to to grab on to his his uh character on that level and say you
know look he you know he he's been very good in the past but that's a different thing than that
that's a that's a is the is his part of that story trustworthy and what are the other aspects of the
story that it could be you know seen from different angles to get the big picture right and and and i
felt like there was sort of a rush to make it look like one thing at least by some people and it felt
to me like like it just looked on face like my instincts were this is a psyop on some level right
so yeah i think this is the difference between being a deep researcher and somebody who uh is a
great presenter um because james o'keefe you know he's a shakespearean actor he's a dancer he's a
singer you know he's he's starred in oklahoma all this stuff he's a great presenter uh but he's not
the mark kulak you know or journey to the bottom of the earth you know of way to the bottom of the
sea in terms of depth and so like it's like a shakespearean scholar sitting next to a regular
person watching a shakespearean play if you are hearing james o'keefe say you know you know we'll
bear our arms and bear our souls and you know on this christmas day you'll say oh i know that's the
henry fifth speech out in front of half half lure or out in front of you know whatever but then
somebody's sitting next to it says it just sounds like shakespeare to me but if somebody was to tell
the expert well that is from romia and juliet the person would say i know it's not from robo juliet
i'm a you know that's the mark kulak in the audience where they go whoa no no no no that's
not how it worked that's not how that study actually worked so robert malone i i kind of cast as
that sort of character as well on the other side of this story not the reporter but the person
being reported on robert malone is sort of the world's most interesting man he did that commercial
being the world's most interesting man you know about the dos equis commercial but he did it with
wine and he's actually he's actually probably smarter and and plays that role better but when
you get into these details that's where the mark kulak starts catching him and then he gets very
frustrated very angry and then he starts lashing out and saying things you know at people who are
just saying wait a minute i'm just fact checking me i'm the script guy here and you didn't play the
right words so that's what's happening i think right now okay so huh i i feel like i feel like
in order to ask better questions at this point i may have to do some more of my own reading again
so you know where do we go from here yeah i guess i could just um you know toss the ball back to you
what are actually i'm going to read something from the chat here here's christian elizabeth
i don't know if you know her yet by the way she um she's uh come on rounding the earth a few times
and she does a good research she wrote the themis report um on carolina bonita and a number of other
people and that's been kind of interesting um uh which which interestingly uh when i the last time
i i've seen i've met bob mullin twice uh robert mullin i i call him robert still but uh uh i met
him um i went to san juan for the the san juan summit covid global covid summit kickoff stuff
and then i saw him again at um children's health defense in october and when i saw um robert he was
interested in figuring out who carolina bonita was uh and had a private investigator look into it but
we we still don't know exactly what all came out of that but christian elizabeth wrote the themis
report that went down um carolina bonita and some other people she asked the question if walker was
trained at the spy school in china run by blackwater then he and o'keefe were both trained by eric prince
i've heard this story before which is uh you know uh project veritas is a blackwater cut out and uh
eric prince is the person funding it and so forth and quok you know is in this story the guy who just
got bannon's guy quok who owned all the casinos uh these two massachusetts general hospitals that
seem to be coming up in the story uh seem to be funded sort of like their casino medicine like
the casinos have decided to get out of the just being casinos and and and funding these two
massachusetts general hospitals that are there where where they may have worked so there is some
intelligence connections here quok just has gotten arrested uh he has been very closely connected
with eric prince of blackwater he's been accused of using the casino money for blackop type
operations so so there's a lot of that going on and on the china side with shuangwu and jordan
walker also did an intensive five-month mandarin course with with with boston consulting group so
it could and i went to boston i went to the mgh and i went to boston consulting group and i went
to all these places and he wasn't at that location so the only other mgh hospital mass gen hospitals
he could have been at would have been the shanghai hospital or the hanin hospital and that would kind
of make sense if that was his boss shangwu was his boss but having said all that those are all just
speculations we don't have the the nail down on any of that but but as far as the intelligence
connections at project veritas those really aren't james o'keith those really go to this barry hinkley
the one he fired barry hinkley is the guy that came in who had hinkley yachts they sold hinkley
yachts to bain capital mitt romney you know the cia is doing compromise operations on on these
hinkley yachts and so forth so there's so there's all this the intelligence connections that i found
i went to his polo club in wellington florida i went to his yacht club in boca retone i i i followed
all the millionaires and russian billionaire yacht parties he went to he seems to be the guy with the
intelligence connections and i don't think james knew about all those connections matt tierney
right so he he may have been like the handler yeah inserted into the ecosystem uh in order to try to
control o'keith and to be able to to punch the self-immolation button at at the moment when it
needed to be punched um so you know there's that possibility and i've thought about that i've
wondered if if uh o'keith's board uh had somebody inserted or or you know everyone inserted uh perhaps
to sit and watch and to try to control him but to otherwise let him go naturally as much as possible
in order to build up the fact that he was doing good journalism but then to be able to um perhaps
steer and try to try to exhibit you know influence in some ways and so okay i didn't know this o'keith
fired hinkley i don't know much about hinkley yet this is some of this is some reading i'm going to
have to catch up on uh christian lizba says uh james o'keith publicly posted from eric prince's
property in montana where he said he was training with prince so um and it may be that he well okay
i'll just throw that out there there is places where they used to have these
kind of shakespearean schools where you it's it's intelligence training so you walk out on the stage
and you don't know what play it is and then the characters start talking back and forth and then
they start looking to you to respond and you're supposed to kind of just go with it until you can
figure out what play it is right and i think that's the training that they were doing in montana
but i don't think it was the hey let's put the poison dart gun together and see how far we can
shoot the point you know i don't think it was the black ops you know type training that we think of
when we think blackwater i think it was more the what they call the soft intelligence side
which is role playing and you're going to be a well executive james bond types things you know
where you go in you have to be some new persona for some role so right right okay this is very
interesting because there's a program that that i grew up in a in an arm of this program that is
the remote viewing program essentially and i've tried to help people understand or try to
investigate it myself and to help people understand i had a brother who was who was
brought very deeply into that he's deceased now but but he wound up you know selling drugs as part
of the rainbow family that followed around like the grateful dead and all that and that had
intelligence connections but what what i've gotten from my understanding of remote viewing a lot of
people go well if there wasn't this actual psychic activity why was it allowed to go on for years
and spent hundreds of millions of dollars doing this and i said well wait you've got to consider
that the intelligence agencies were trying to figure out how to create sort of you know guru
actors in a sense who who could who could have followings follow them but maybe be able to
control the actor and what it is that they were projecting and programming into their audience
and and this is this has been an argument that i've had and talked about privately but haven't
had the time to develop this yet so this makes a lot of sense to me that o'keefe could be involved
in training where he doesn't actually know the exact methodology for the training and if he
wants something to point to to investigate a little bit further i would say look into
uri geller's story because uri geller's story he was a nightclub magician in israel uh who was
you know he was a model he was known to have good stage presence and he would literally argue to his
audience that i'm actually doing real magic that it's not just a nightclub performance and he was
brought into the stanford research institute which was the inception of remote viewing and
which was then pulled into the dod so we know that this was um you know sort of psychological
work with people who would then be able to be play roles as actors and then brought into the dod
because it was recognized um how it could be weaponized and and you know made into uh part of
the general uh the intelligence program i don't know if i've explained that well i i tried to
pick enough to to give some sense sorry the remote viewing experiments uh exactly what you're saying
was a tremendous uh thing about brain activity so mit as you mentioned sri and and stanford
they brought in the best and the brightest to see if they if it was how they make connections
differently or how they store information differently what makes these people smarter
information differently what makes these people smarter than and so the remote viewing i think is
more stimulus to see what the response would be they did a program where they collected the best
and the brightest to see if there was something that they could train to get people everybody
that they had think like these savants well that's the public side having been involved on it uh as a
child where where they tried to train as his children in this program it was all bullshit uh
excuse me uh uh i'll since now i you were in it first had experience so you can say whatever
you know yeah i i watched the experiments like with like my brother and literally watched them
alter results you know like like switch my results with his on certain tests and and i would watch
um you know like literally uh like non-verifiable experiments like um you know what number am i
thinking about no matter what he would say it was always like that's correct that's correct but but
nothing to verify it right um it's and and then i watched my brother get trained to be able to tell
people total nonsense and get them to believe it um like it was clear that this was a program that
had a a public face that was going to be very complicated but it was it was it was definitely
something very different it was an it was more about influence and creating influencers than it
was about anything and that's going to be a complicated conversation um you know maybe you
and i can have that conversation um i i want to lay it out more clearly for people on another day
but i just haven't had time um but uh somebody says david koresh and that that's possible um
i i do know that uh that jim channing who brought these programs into the dod did so after going
into california and studying people who were similar to david koresh who ran like compounds and
and uh and their own sort of guru networks so but you know um we're kind of getting a field of the
primary topic um i i wanted to mention that so that people could have some perspective on how it
is that you know the dod and intelligence has been operating for a number of years and creating
programs where that might include you know people like me or people like james o'keefe or something
like that and that we may not know the nature of what it is that they're doing with these programs
yeah i just to throw in uh matt tiermond who sort of was that handler he's also the guy doing the
coup with a seven-hour meeting and so forth he has a very different profile he has seven uh 12 years
with james hinkley only has the last four months and he was much uh softer handler with james uh
in the sense that he set james up well with a lot of the interviews he did a lot of talking points
he did a lot of copious notes he really boxed you know drew a box around what was what framed
what was going to be told in the story he moved james off of the lucky charms in the you know the
rutgers lunch room and moved him up into a lot of much more serious journalism and he's kind of this
uh lower middle class uh jewish kid from brooklyn the flatbush you know kind of area and he kind of
is the person striving for the approval of the of the yacht types the road island yacht types like
the hinkley's so so so that worked well with james for some reason that chemistry really worked well
and and the whole apple cart was overturned when hinkley came in and james fired him you know and
then the whole thing unfolds and unravels so it's it's interesting i wonder if i could get uh james
on uh rounding the earth sometime and and and it seems like this is a really good time to have a
different conversation with him um but i'm very curious does he have a website yet as to like what
his next project is going to be yeah omg oh my god is uh omg is his thing i see someone in the uh chat
uh rounding the earth talking about inserm and that's correct that is the um nih of of of france
and one of the heads of inserm who was from leon i went to summer followed up on it uh he was
actually at the ribbon cutting he was one of the people who cut the ribbon at the will on institute
of virology yeah that's ives levy yeah i've levy uh and he definitely has you know uh uh dg uh
connections french intelligence connections for sure yeah and that whole thing with macron macron's
macron's very connected with the rothschild banking arm of the french rothschild banking arm
french intelligence so this is exactly correct here this insert yeah yeah and and uh just to
mention uh the two french health ministers um i i can't remember the name of the first one but she
went to the organization that funded andrew hill who retracted his ivermectin meta analysis
uh unit aid unit aid um so when when with when wuhan institute of virology was founded she was
with ives levy at the ribbon cutting if i recall correctly and and she uh wound up going to unit
aid as the executive director and controlled the purse strings uh from there the next french
health minister is ives levy's wife agnes buzen and she was the one who was responsible on october
october 8th of 2019 starting the paperwork process to remove hydroxychloroquine from being an over
the counter medicine to put it on the list two poisonous substances so like that that alone
right there that's that just screams hey there was preparation for all of this and she's going to be
the person who said it was fish tank cleaner and somebody else it's going to be saying the
horse dewormer you know to trash the existing uh repurposed yeah it's really a fascinating it's a
very small group of people as well uh that's the that's the beauty of this and james is i think
about ready to change and kind of caterpillar to the moth from just being a song and dance kind
of guy and i don't mean that in a bad way i mean he's a spectacular superstar journalist but i think
he's about ready to move into this citizen journalism thing like you have with the campfire
and mark has and and i try to keep up with you guys that is the future for james o'keith i think
that's the promise here where we can win if we really get in there and exploit what we've already
like like your campfire has already got all the answers we just need somebody to go in there and
take a swath a scoop of the ice cream every once in a while and create little vignettes two to three
minute vignettes of the ice cream that's already in the in the can there yeah obligatory reminder
the moment i talked to george webb and i mentioned campfire wiki he says oh that's great you know we
need more of those things to draw people toward the moment i mentioned to mark kulak he says oh
that's great i run my own wikis too and i and i can save them that way and blah blah blah
um interestingly uh for a year and a half i had trouble getting almost anyone in the medical
freedom movement to acknowledge it get interested in it participate it or promote it and and i i i
try to say that out loud every now and then just to get people to understand that um there's almost
no way in the world that the medical freedom movement uh that a lot of the leadership isn't
compromised right now there are certain people like there are people who've been there for years
um who probably just have so much coming their way they don't have time to pay attention to it
but there are also these new leaders in the movement right um new leaders might include
robert malone um steve kirch uh brett weinstein um i know that like none of the three of them
um seems to have promoted the campfire wiki including brett weinstein who you know was named
sort of in honor of his discussions of knowledge around the campfire right it it it it's been
frustrating me and surprising to me that they haven't been interested in this but i'm really
glad now um that you know you you've sort of jumped in i don't know how long you've been sort of
focused on pandemic research um from the very beginning yeah yeah from the very beginning okay
because i i before the pandemic i'd watched a number of your videos previously but when i
started doing my own research i guess i fell away from watching as many videos so i i didn't know
until more recently that you were tracking all a lot of things um but uh one of the things i since
we talked about that you know mining campfire uh archive the database um peter duke uh hollywood
hollywood uh creative director guy i work with on the west coast he came up with this thing called
readwise it's a it's a collating tool readwise uh it's like insta paper if you remember that
but what it does is it goes through all of your kindle books and i buy a ton of books on kindle
and it takes all your bookmarks and it collates those and then you could also go to campfire wiki
and then pick individual urls and then it has a highlighting tool and so forth and the important
thing it does is it does kind of a interval recall so that once you store it and say i want
to read that later it kind of reminds you of here's the things you highlighted in that article
just kind of brings it top of mind so that you can then go in and read it because i think if you if
if anybody watching this broadcast would just go in into the campfire wiki with your existing
bookmarks and just tag 10 hydroxychloroquine articles or 10 anything 10 remdesivir and write a
three paragraph treatment or do a three minute video of here's what i learned when i wrote these
10 articles it it's it links those things with metadata and now we can find them discovery is
much easier and they'll come up in the social media easier as well
just my ad here mark i see the same thing for mark's archive because it's people going through
like i call it the scoop of ice cream into the end of the ice cream vat don't be like joe biden
don't have refrigerators full of ice cream you got to get in there with a scooper and and that's
what i encourage people to do yeah and i think for a lot of people and i'll say this even though
i've thrown a lot of my time into the pandemic um one of my frustrations is like you know where do i
like whenever i'm looking for um like some of mark's information like where do i go to find this
it's actually not easy to um keep up with and be able to interface and i know mark personally
right so so you know if it's difficult for me to access then um then then we probably do need some
tools that that sort of interface and draw the information that we need uh and i've been trying
to tell this to a number of people look um artificial intelligence is being presented
and sold to us as something that is like scary but we actually need to learn these technologies
ourselves and employ them ourselves and have that knowledge be decentralized useful by everybody as
much as possible in order to you know combat the usage of what is a tool by you know larger
centralized figures that can just throw money at the problem and and uh and use it against us so
i i just want to say that out loud to once again encourage people like you know don't don't uh you
know go to anti-technology uh don't become a luddite uh when you know just because we're faced with
people who seem to be developing these tools for purpose of asymmetric you know warfare or asymmetric
control so you know i just want to say that out loud a few times so that you know you know
just want to say that out loud a few times so that so that people think i can do this myself
and one of the two ways to merge two databases is just to have you and mark did on a show together
and just talk about what's in there because just that cross uh talk between you two guys will will
generate a huge these collections that we need to focus on uh because it's in the collections when
you kind of do the gathering gathering the string to do the story is what reporters do
and then they can write the story but until you gather the string you can't really write off any
sources so so keep doing what you're doing because this is all you know reporters watch this kind of
stuff and they go wow this is great because boom boom boom boom boom here's all my sources i don't
have to go do all that my stuff myself so it's good stuff yeah um so anything else uh you know
moving toward toward wrap up here um you know to me this has been a wonderful conversation because
i can see that you and i have both been um you know collecting sources of information for several
years and as we like compare this sort of like scattering of data points and dots we can see a
lot of connections but we both come at it from completely different directions um just very
organically it seems like um you know so that's that's been very interesting for me to watch and
i'll say this that hasn't happened between me and most of the people in the medical freedom movement
and and i've wondered at times like how much am i being gaslighted by which different people
right and that's the other thing i don't really think of myself as being in any movement um i i
i think of myself as a journalist trying to play it down the middle of the fairway sure my number
one test is if if i did this story about joe biden would that be fair if i'm doing this story about
trump or whatever um so you know the medical freedom movement and you know it's got a lot of
dnc people in it steve kirch is one of the biggest contributors to the dnc so i i have to
factor that in 20 million bucks is a lot of money so you know you're the rockefeller foundation guy
yeah and and and uh building uh trying to build a central bank digital currency
um as the pandemic got underway um yeah i mean you know there's all of that and
uh let's see where's where's my mind on this how can i wrap this up and frame this um people
people need to talk and people need to pay attention to how it is people are talking
and whether or not they're talking right there needs to be more communication the medical freedom
the medical freedom movement yeah i don't really consider myself in a movement either but it's an
important concept to just sort of draw a circle around the cluster of people who have influence
at the moment whether that influence existed before it was cultivated during the pandemic
and and to you know put some sort of a general libertarian label as in people who are saying
freedom of any sort uh are trying to push back against some control or at least ostensibly
and to you know there's that so it's a term that can't ever be well defined but it has some sort
of meaning to it and i think um you know certainly we should all sort of say that we're we're a part
of it if we're interested in freedom um and at the same time um we don't have to identify as in
like it doesn't you know define who we are right um right but but yeah yeah for freedom versus
censorship absolutely yes and medical freedom is is a fundamental human right so i'm definitely for
all that yeah i i guess when i uh uh like you say i would it's much more valuable i mean you can have
a bunch of remdesivir seminars for litigation right and if it's a bunch of dnc folks taking the
names i'm like wait a minute that's not a good thing and so irs is gonna be knocking on my door
after i go to the seminar right but but your show if i go to the you know the campfire wiki
and i'm gonna look at all the stuff you've accumulated in hydroxychloroquine i know that
there's nobody between me filtering me or you know guiding me or sheltering me i i know it's a free
access like wiki leaks you know and that's a very that's freedom that's true freedom not well
you know we only will give you a press pass if you're gonna ask nice questions if you ask any
domain questions you're not you know bob malone rejected they i originally was accepted here in
atlanta for the remdesivir conference and then they revoked it once i got to the seminar
okay so you know what um before before we wrap up i'm gonna i'm gonna toss you one question since
science is about trying to falsify your views uh and i listened to a wonderful uh karen mullis talk
about that the other day you know you can never prove that you're right but you could prove that
you're wrong and and the adventure is trying to prove that you're wrong um give your best defense
of robert malone and then we'll bring this to a close
that's gonna be hard you know my best defense of robert malone is that he really kind of came up
um is not really a hard core scientist um he had a lot of early trouble with his early bosses
indira verma was big into injecting the rna into naked rna and and fat bubble type rna
and so he had a whole kinds of fights with him at uh at at bical the company he was at
he had other run-ins with other people gary rhodes uh who was also injecting the mrna with the fat
bubble and naked rna and then john wolf all of those guys died so it's like or indra verma didn't
die he was kind of sexually compromised but but my point is bob malone isn't moving these people out
of bob malone's way but the way he was moving these people out of bob malone's way was that
he was moving these people out of bob malone's way but the way is being cleared for bob malone
for some reason and i think it's because he presents so well he chooses his words so carefully
he's very clear he he's just like a walking outline on anything he talks about so i think
bob malone has a decision to make do i want to ride the back of the tiger so to speak wing wing
the d.o.d okay he's not on the he's not putting vax viruses all over the world and creating
pandemics he's doing the vaccines but that's still part of the virus vaccine game and i more than a
defense i would offer a challenge to bob malone whose side you want to be on and i guess i'll
leave it there that sounds great uh thanks so much and and he is a complicated topic um and and and
i've gone back and forth as to you know as to how much judgment i should have at any point in time
and i've sort of left it open and intentionally not answered the question a lot of people wanted
to like punch my button to make me take sides um but it you know it's an interesting rabbit hole
just you know going down and unraveling his career and thanks for having done some of that
workforce thanks for joining us today george uh it's been uh great to you know we we've talked
by phone but this is the first time we've talked face to face and i appreciate that you come on and
and share your knowledge and and for us to bounce off each other this way i think that this has been
very productive me too it's been fantastic i i knew you were a genius but now i know for sure
so and and and talking to people smarter than yourself it raises my iq i love this so i hope
i don't know if i if i if i'm necessarily smarter than anybody else but it is you know we are we are
all smarter when we talk with each other right i mean for sure and that's the way that it should
be so thanks so much and i hope that um you know i know that the rounding the earth audience has
has gotten a lot out of this um well thanks everybody for for joining us uh the uh you know
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