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Hello and welcome to Rounding the Earth.

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My name is Matthew Crawford and I apologize to those of you who were trying to join us

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earlier.

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I had technical difficulties at home, had to go reset a router and kind of, you know,

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8lunch came back, allowed everything to reboot and establish itself, right?

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And so, but we're back.

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Fortunately, we have two guests today, not just one, and then we're both able to push

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back an hour and 15 minutes to join us now, which is great.

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So we don't have to reschedule and this is an important topic too and it's important

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that this information gets out now or is at least talked about now because people need

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to understand, you know, what it is that is going on in the medical freedom community

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and with their money and, you know, what is it that we can trust in the ecosystem going

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forward?

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So I'm going to introduce two guests today.

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And Renette, this is your first time here, though, I've been on your podcast at Foghorn

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Express and Kristen is the, and Foghorn Express is also a substack and Kristen is author of

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Beyond the Maze and has joined us multiple times before.

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So welcome to both of you.

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Thanks.

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Nice to be here, Matt.

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And these two ladies have been among those who have kept up with the sort of investigation

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into America's frontline doctors and what's been happening there because that kind of

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became a mess.

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Simone Gold was at the Capitol on January 6th and was arrested and served a little bit

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of prison time for that.

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But there's a much longer story to America's frontline doctors than just, you know, the

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advocacy that they've seen on TV and that one moment, which has some interesting caveats

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to it.

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But I'm going to, you know, well, currently we have a court case or maybe multiple legal

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proceedings going on and we have an internal investigation going on into the finances of

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America's frontline doctors.

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And I'm going to start there.

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Which of you would like to take the baton and explain, you know, what's going on with

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the financial situation at America's frontline doctors?

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So I'll start.

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So basically at this point in time, it was in February 2022 that Simone Gold resigned

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and she later on brought this case to Arizona saying she did not resign.

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It was conditioned upon a one and a half million dollar payoff essentially so she could start

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her gold care for profit company.

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Ultimately, the judge in Arizona made the decision.

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It was clearly defined that yes, she did resign.

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It was not on a condition of one point five million dollars.

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And unfortunately, since then, she's continued to travel the country, declare herself the

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sitting president and chair of AFLDS.

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And what's happened is the AFLDS board that has Joey Gilbert as the president, they went

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along and actually organized and created what's called the Oversight Committee that is chaired

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by Kevin Jenkins.

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Since then, they have been going out and putting into place an actual forensic audit.

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The forensic audit, though, is being stonewalled by Simone Gold's actual money person, their

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treasurer and accountant.

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And so they're actually now going after the accountant.

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What they did do, though, Matt, is they did do a preliminary audit and they saw that tens

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of millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars, besides just the three point six

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million dollar Florida home purchase and purchase of three nice vehicles has been absconded with.

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Unfortunately, they cannot complete their entire forensic audit unless they can get

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those books and those bank account opened.

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So right now they're working on that.

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What they're also doing and there's some internal struggle going on right now is Kevin Jenkins

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has been asking all the board members, including Joey Gilbert, who the Arizona judge had said

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that there was self-dealing involved.

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They had twenty thousand dollar a month salaries as AFLDS board members.

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So they really some of them did not have the experience for that type of salary to be

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justified.

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And so what Kevin Jenkins has been doing, who's on the Oversight Committee, he's been

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asking the board to step down and say, look it in order for us really to take this to

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court and have it be very clear, nothing muddled.

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We need a new board, a board that actually has doctors sitting on it and have the experience

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of running five one C three's.

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So we have that right now.

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There is an eviction process going on with Simone Gold and her living boyfriend in Florida,

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They needed the LLC documents, but they're in process of evicting her as well.

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And they have actually cut the payroll of the AFLDS board.

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They have also fired a lot of the AFLDS employees that were still working with Simone Gold and

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actually also working with her Gold Care for-profit company as well.

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So it's a bit of a it's a bit of a mess right now, but they're doing the best they can.

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And as Kevin says, if the board, the current sitting AFLDS board, if they do not do the

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right thing and resign and proceed pursuing Simone Gold, Kevin will go to the the U.S.

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and the state attorney generals and they will actually ask for a receivership of AFLDS.

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And they're going to continue that way.

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So it is getting hot and heavy right now.

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But I do challenge the current AFLDS board, including Sheriff Mack, who did go out and

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without the board's approval, solicit Simone Gold and try to cut a private deal without

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the board's knowledge.

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So there's a lot of turmoil going on right now.

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And I'm just going to challenge everybody in the medical freedom movement to do the

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right thing and think about the donors, think about the people who've been suffering from

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covid who've been suffering from the draconian measures for the last three years.

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So this is interesting.

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I did just a little bit of writing on AFLDS.

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Not much.

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But the moment I did, a number of people reached out to me and said, you know, I gave them

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money and I've been trying to contact them and and I get nothing back.

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And of course, I don't know who any of these people are.

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As far as I know, they're bots.

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But I assume I assume these are probably real people reaching out to to to witness that

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there's something that doesn't feel right about the situation, as in lack of communication,

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lack of action.

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It makes me wonder, like going back, I didn't even know what what was the original purpose

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of AFLDS.

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What did they form a 50C3 to do?

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Because I've heard talk of like, you know, I feel like I remember Smokegold tweeting

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out, you know, we want to create a new hospital system or something like that.

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And and I thought that's what they were raising all the money for.

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It sounded like north of 50 million, if I if I understand what I've heard correctly.

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So what was the original purpose?

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Well, originally a couple of different things.

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One is the telehealth, right?

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They're trying to make available ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and actually give people

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a connection to real doctors to help them while they're in an emergency crisis.

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The other thing is to was also to fight back against all these draconian measures and put

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forward and support certain lawsuits.

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And so you did mention to me earlier about the hospital that might be the case.

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I mean, I do know a lot of them want to a lot of the medical, freedom medical doctors

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right now do want to create their own wellness centers.

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And so there might be something like that that she was actually thinking of like her

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own wellness center, which is really what Goldcare is.

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It's like this wellness center, though it's also highly, highly questionable to what we've

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uncovered with that.

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Yeah, it feels like when you've got a 501 C3, I personally feel like everything should

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be transparent, like all finances should be transparent.

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This is one of the reasons why I'm a I'm a blockchain advocate, actually, is, you know,

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when people are giving tens of millions of dollars to a company, not to be able to see

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what's being done with the money just seems like a no brainer of that.

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That's a disconnect of trust.

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And so it feels like people need to be calling that out.

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But it sounds like there's one person on the inside who's being pretty vocal, Kevin Jenkins.

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Kevin Jenkins is being very vocal.

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I think he realizes at this point in time that, you know, there's a lot at stake here, and

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including everyone's reputation.

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If they don't clean this up, then essentially they're complicit in the crimes.

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And Kevin has been saying that anybody who gives her airtime, anybody who gives her stage,

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anybody who writes about her and does not speak to what's really going on is complicit

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in the crime.

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And Kevin Jenkins is realizing that if they don't clean house, they're all going down.

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And and I know Kevin, I just spoke with him this morning.

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He's not going to stand for that.

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And so he is challenging the board right now.

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In fact, today to do the right thing, resign, put the right people onto the board who have

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board experience with 501 C3s, who have medical experience, who are not getting huge salaries,

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monthly salaries, and then proceed with the court cases against Simone Gold for literally

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acting fraudulently and making false claims that she's still on the board, that she's

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still president and chair of AFLDS, which she clearly is not.

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Well, yeah, I think that, you know, just going ahead and sort of presuming innocence or,

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you know, I guess I can't say if a crime has been committed.

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I haven't looked through all the details myself, obviously.

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But I just want to mention for for anybody watching, completely independent of Renette

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or Kevin or Kristen, somebody else came to me.

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I had a phone conversation.

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We actually were not talking about this topic, but it came up in the phone conversation.

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He told me and I trust this person because they were actually, you know, they had no

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reason to tell me a story.

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We were on we were discussing a completely different topic.

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But they told me that Simone Gold had gone to the attorney Todd Collender and asked him

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to launder 30 million dollars in a private jet.

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And so I can't say that happened.

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It is hearsay as it is.

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But it's interesting that it matches the numbers.

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And I had not talked with either of you about this when I when I heard that.

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So I didn't know what the number was going to be.

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But it sounds like we're talking about a similar amount of money missing according to this

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internal audit or what they say has been the internal audit.

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So we'll have to see how that plays out.

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We'll have to see what the evidence looks like.

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But yeah, that was very interesting to me.

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It made me look back through John Strand's social media and the AFLDS social media.

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And right now it mostly just looks like like a daily stream of rah rah freedom.

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And I feel like if that's all you know, if that's where this has all been headed toward,

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I think not a lot of people are going to feel like they got their money's worth 50 million

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dollars a brah rah freedom.

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Have there been any lawsuits that they have fought or what battles have they fought and

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won?

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AFLDS?

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Well, that's actually really questionable because I've asked Kevin and I've asked other

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ones and they've they've kind of parlayed themselves or they have ridden on the coattails

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of other lawsuits.

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But they have not from what I've gathered, they have not actually gone out there and

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led and undertaken any lawsuits themselves.

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So what we have for certain is photo ops.

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And awards.

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And lots of promises, lots of promises that have not been fulfilled.

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I do know personally, people that I know who have been grifted where they've reached out,

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they paid their money and they never heard from anyone ever again, as far as a doctor

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from the telehealth or they ever received their medication.

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And maybe that's what people were trying to tell me.

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I hadn't heard these stories before.

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But that sounds like it might be what people were trying to tell me.

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I didn't get a chance to really dig in and look into it.

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But that's awful if people didn't get their medicine.

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I can expand on that.

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So I was already kind of following and monitoring different America's frontline doctors, social

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media channels, of which there were a number, but there was a main AFLDS discussion or chat

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that had thousands of people in it.

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And I noticed in real time back in the fall and winter, basically of late 2021 into 2022,

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thousands and hundreds and hundreds of people commenting that they had paid the $90 telehealth

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fee to have access to a doctor.

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They were told that they'd be called within two or three days.

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It had been multiple weeks or longer.

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They never got called.

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Married couples had to both pay the fee.

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They couldn't just pay once.

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If they made contact, a number of different instances of getting the wrong product or

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something going awry and re-contacting America's frontline doctors, and if there was a response,

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they were told they had to pay the fee again to have access to a doctor.

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And then there were outrageously high costs for these medicines, for ivermectin and for

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hydroxychloroquine.

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So there's just this flood of what I've documented and have of comments from people saying they

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were billed $580 or sent sample pills, actually, not even the real product, but sent a little

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baggie of sample pills and charged $350 or something like that.

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In fact, the chat at that time was so flooded with people.

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I have documented comments from people saying, I've seen hundreds of people making these

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comments and absolutely no moderation for this chat.

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Nobody was admoning.

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No one was moderating.

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No one responded to any of these people.

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It was really terrible and really sad.

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And there were cases where people literally said, I'm afraid my loved one is really sick.

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It's been weeks.

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I've spent this much money already.

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Why isn't anyone calling me?

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And just to kind of add to that element of this terrible story, in fall of 2021, a journalist

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at the Intercept, which is a left leaning media outlet.

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So all of their pieces are going to be awash in accusations of disinformation and anti-vaccine

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rhetoric.

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But if you can kind of weed through that nonsense, there's some helpful information sometimes

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in those kinds of outlets as well.

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And this journalist from the Intercept was contacted by a hacker who had hacked into

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the databases of two of these third party companies that were working with America's

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frontline doctors.

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One called Cadence Health that provided the telehealth service and the other called RavQ,

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which was an online pharmacy.

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And this hacker extracted, managed to very easily gain access to, according to these

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articles, 260,000, but now we hear from someone internally, it was more like 1.6 million possibly,

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patients private information, not just their names, their physical addresses, their vocations,

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but also their health information.

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And provided that information to this journalist.

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He went on to write a couple pieces.

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He did a couple interviews about it.

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And the focus was on the grift because they could see how much money these people had

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paid.

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And so just via the telehealth company and this information, to be really clear, was

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over the course of basically two months.

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That's it.

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So they got this information on patients from two of the, I want to say four, I'm not sure,

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third party companies involved.

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So this wasn't even the extent of the third party companies involved.

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And that was only over like an eight to 10 week period of time, July through August into

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September.

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And just for the telehealth service fee, collectively people had paid $6.7 million.

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And for the actual pharmacy products, it was like 8.7.

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So if you take that number and you know that America's Frontline Doctors launched their

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telehealth service in January of that year, you have a previous six months of this service

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and financial exchange going on with the public.

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Even if you round it down and you say, okay, it was only 3 million a month from January

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up until July, you're looking at short of $20 million.

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And then additionally, right on the heels of this article coming out, these articles coming

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out, one of the CEOs of one of these two companies cut ties with America's Frontline Doctors.

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And another one for, I think it was a pharmacy, online pharmacy company, then like a month

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or two later, stopped working with America's Frontline Doctors because they were so inundated

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with requests.

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So it skyrocketed after that, they weren't able to fulfill them.

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And it was around that same time that their main social media chat was flooded with all

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of these people who were not getting the product and they were not getting a phone call from

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a doctor.

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So you can do some basic math in your head and get a guesstimation of the amount of money

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that this organization actually pulled in.

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And this doesn't even have anything to do with just donations.

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And when Simone Gold went to jail, I remember in my county listserv people who are signed

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up for her emails daily, every single day, she was putting out urgent requests for funds,

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support America, support freedom, martyr this, martyr that, every single day.

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And already they just must have had this immense amount of money in their coffers.

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If you look at the 990s from 2020 and 2021, it doesn't reflect mathematically what must

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have been coming in.

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So there's definitely a need for kind of crowdsourcing in that area and accountability.

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Yeah, certainly.

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The weird thing about all of this that's been going on, this pandemonium or plandemonium,

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is will you get accountability if the other side doesn't care if there's somebody grifting

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off of people in the medical freedom movement?

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You've got people who want real medicine and who reach out to get it.

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And if they don't get it, does that also satisfy the aims or possibly even?

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And I'm not really speculating.

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I'm just saying that hypothetically, this could be intentionally done to keep people

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from getting medicine.

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And this is one of the reasons why it's important.

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It's one of the reasons why I disagree with Robert Malone, for instance, when he says

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people should just presume trust with him or with anybody within the medical freedom

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movement.

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And my thought is, no, there's so much going on.

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There's such clear motivation for people to grift or for people who might be chaos agents

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and disingenuously on the side of medical freedom to sabotage the movement in various

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ways.

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And that would include sucking money out of people's pockets.

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If the goal is to keep people from having the power to oppose it, then that's one of

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the methods to employ.

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It's one of the reasons why I publicly question, for instance, Steve Kirsch raising $100 million

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for a hedge fund right at this moment of strange banking crisis and what looks like a bubble

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market that's probably still going to come down some more.

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Yeah, there's a lot that people should consider and people should not trust easily.

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The idea of easy trust just seems silly, like would you teach your children easy trust

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with strangers or something like that.

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So I think that we need a moment of accountability and we need for people to ask the questions

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themselves, which organizations can I trust and why?

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It's one of the reasons why I like to promote as often as possible somebody like Dr. Fareed

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or Brian Tyson.

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Just from what I've seen, I've seen enough to have certain levels of trust.

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But there are other places where I look and there are just signs that there's just a

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lot of money involved and not a lot of accountability.

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Well, I'd like to add to that too.

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We have to understand that we're in war and it's that fifth generation warfare unlike

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anything we've ever seen before in the past.

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You have to understand that propaganda and these chaos agents and those who are there

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to usurp and to take the wind out of the sail of the movement, they've all been put into

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place.

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We're seeing a long game being played here.

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So for anybody, I know Mickey Willis, who I respect him and I like the guy and there's

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Dr. Robert Malone, as you'd mentioned.

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But for anybody to sit there and say, don't question, don't point the fingers, if you

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see criminality, just hush, hush, you can't.

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You can't because these are the people who are going to derail the movement.

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To me, it's about having a high standard of having high ethics and calling out criminality

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even within your own ilk, your own circle.

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It's a difficult thing to do.

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Most people don't have the guts for that.

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But when you have this much money, this much power, you can have this much influence, not

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only are you going to have those who have been placed in these positions, but you're

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going to have the type of personality.

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Some of them are sociopaths and psychopaths and narcissists who are going to be attracted

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to it.

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So it's actually our responsibility and it's tough because it's the medical freedom movement.

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If you can't police your own circle, why should anyone trust you to police theirs?

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That's right.

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There's kind of two different things going on though, or probably more, but there's over

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the course of time, well-meaning people finding themselves, I think, attracted to a financial

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arrangement in a lot of cases because people do need to live and have an income and not

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everyone has a totally ennobled relationship to money.

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So that theme has been very strong over the last few years of also just redirecting people's

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focus and kind of scooping them up into situations that seem then to result in management or

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handling, you could say.

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But in the case of America's Frontline Doctors, there's this added element of the concept

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from the beginning having been born out of a political group and with the intention of

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a political strategy.

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So Simone Gold was a national advisor for the Save America Coalition, is that what it's

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called?

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Save our Country.

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And she sat on that council with members of or people very closely affiliated with ALEC,

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CNP, Heritage Foundation, the kind of core dark money packs that I would consider deep

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state on the right.

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And Tea Party Patriots, a number of top campaign folks for Trump and influencers.

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And there was a call, there was a phone call that was leaked to the Associated Press between

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a number of these people where they actually created the imagination of America's Frontline

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Doctors.

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They said, look, to help Trump kind of push back against this whole lockdown agenda, we

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need a bunch of pro-Trump doctors.

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We want them to be wearing like bright white coats.

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This is how this is going to look.

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You know, like went as far as to kind of stage the imagination.

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Now you could say, well, that's an agenda worth supporting if you weren't a fan of the lockdowns,

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etc.

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But it's still really important to understand if it's born out of a political strategy,

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that's always going to be there in its biography.

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And the people who I think the initial treasurer, I don't know if he still is now, is the

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guy from Awaken Church who maybe launched and funds the Reawaken America Tour.

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And a lot of the original doctors aren't even there anymore.

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I don't know where they found these people.

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I don't know who they are.

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And Carolina Bonita was really closely connected at the time with a couple of them or so, and

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Angie Ferrella.

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So she was in the mix.

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And then you also have Mike Kudre, who launched and managed and still does, to my knowledge,

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all of the social media.

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And he comes out of data harvesting, market research, behavioral analytics.

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He's contracted with the U.S. government through one of his various companies that he owns

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called UcoSocial.

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And if you go to this website, you'll see basically they offer a variety of packages

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for between $2,000 to $10,000 a month.

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You can hire them to manage your social media, grow your social media, but also provide analysis

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for you.

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He's bragged about running social media campaigns for a dozen high profile politicians.

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And his company contracted with the government based on that information and the service

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product codes to provide cyber intel.

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So who is this again?

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This is Michael Kudre.

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He's...

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AFLDS's social media.

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Social media director.

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And he's like another one of these kind of right-wing influencer guys who...

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He has a similar profile to Stu Peters because he was a relatively unsuccessful white rapper

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who went by the name Mike Tokes.

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And he was actually arrested and I believe charged, I'm not sure, for some fraud.

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Back in 2017 and came out of that canoodling with pretty high profile right-wing people.

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And really quickly, he had a makeover is like how a lot of people describe it.

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And all of a sudden he presents as this really successful entrepreneur and investor.

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He launches something called Ferros Investment Group.

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Although I can't find anything online to corroborate that, so maybe that's a fund.

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And that umbrellas investments into all of these different areas, including biotechnology.

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And he owns a series of companies called Tova Companies.

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If you Google him, what you'll find most often is a sustainable avocado farm enterprise.

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He more recently launched, but he also owns Tova Medical, which is a telehealth company

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based in Puerto Rico.

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And this company, Yuko Social.

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And Yuko Social is the one that contracted with the government for a year, 2020 I think.

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And the product service codes place that cyber intel contract into analysis, market research,

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communications in the realm of intelligence and defense.

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So here you have this guy who and Yuko Social, if you go to the website and you click on

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the Twitter link, it brings you to the Twitter account of a different company called 33 Assets

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Incorporated.

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And I saw him...

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We've got multiple financial companies.

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Yeah.

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So I'm just going to take a step back.

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I had a career in finance.

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And it was like every other person was like a failed rapper who spent time in prison.

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Very common story.

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Multiple financial companies and suddenly in a high profile crowd.

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And it's also interesting to me that he connects to Puerto Rico because Puerto Rico, the number

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of things going on in and around the Puerto Rico circle, and it's not even clear how many

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of them connect, but it seems like they might all connect.

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There's a really weird thing too is when you look at Coudre, you even look at their connections

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with General Flynn, as you said, far, far, far right, the deep state.

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And even Eric Prince of Blackwater, formerly known as Blackwater, even James O'Keefe is

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connected there.

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I mean, you have this really weird intersection of players, of young men in their 30s or so

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who get influenced by what I'd say the deep state players with a lot of influx of money

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and opportunity.

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And it's like they're put out there on the forefront or into the mix.

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And when you start to look behind them, there's some really, really deep tentacles and allow

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them do the intercept for sure.

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Yeah, so Coudre also went on to co-organize the Stop the Steal rally, the very famous

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Stop the Steal rally that took place on January 6th with Ali Alexander.

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And so he's part of this handful of high level individuals, I'll call them influencers, who

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played a very important role in actually creating the arena within which this whole event unfolded,

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none of whom, to my knowledge, are currently sitting in jail, where you have over 600 people

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sitting in jail, and I could pull a few dozen particular cases and describe how unbelievably

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ridiculous it is that these people have been in jail for over 750 days straight, most of

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it in solitary confinement.

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But what you see is a pattern of these kind of like middle tier to upper tier right wing

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influencer people were the ones who got the permits.

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They were in like group chats together.

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He was even, Coudre was even subpoenaed by the select committee, which was just all nonsense.

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I obviously don't need to say that.

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But nonetheless, regarding tax exchanges between him and Ali Alexander leading up to the event

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and during the event and all of these people.

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So Ali Alexander, Michael Coudre, Nick Fuentes, Alex Jones, his wife, a woman named Cindy

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Chapian, the list goes on and on, all stayed in the same hotel, the Willard, nearby to

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the Capitol.

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And in a way, it almost looks like it was like a control center.

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They hosted these rallies.

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You have the infamous Leigh Dundas participation as well the day before.

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They hosted rallies for two days.

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Many of them communicated encouraging comments to people regarding their pressure being

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put on the Capitol.

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But none of them went in.

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And so it's just this stark contrast between the incited, encouraged, invited citizen and

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consequences versus the people who actually organized, literally organized the entire

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thing happening.

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And so he also shows up there.

461
00:36:54,740 --> 00:36:55,740
They did not go in themselves.

462
00:36:55,740 --> 00:37:04,820
And of course, anyone can claim, well, I just have better judgment than that.

463
00:37:04,820 --> 00:37:11,820
But when it's so uniform, it has to make us, you know, you have to wonder, you know, the

464
00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:16,540
degree to which they could have had prior knowledge.

465
00:37:16,540 --> 00:37:21,180
And this is exactly why people in the medical freedom movement need to pay attention and

466
00:37:21,180 --> 00:37:28,900
not give trust easily and, you know, make their own decisions and be as discerning as

467
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:29,900
they can.

468
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:31,220
Well, there's a couple of things.

469
00:37:31,220 --> 00:37:36,220
One is you're really what we're really seeing with AFLDS, it's really exemplified, is the

470
00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:40,620
massive smoke and mirrors, the massive propaganda machine from Michael Kudre still running the

471
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:47,900
social media to the fact that America Frontline Doctors, Frontline News is in Israel.

472
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:50,260
It's ironic they're frontline news, but they're in Israel.

473
00:37:50,260 --> 00:37:54,820
And I do know that the current AFLDS and in fact, the oversight committee want to bring

474
00:37:54,820 --> 00:37:58,820
back frontline news and actually put it into America.

475
00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:03,660
And then you look at any of the social media with AFLDS and Simone Gold, and it really

476
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:07,900
is very much about just presenting a certain picture.

477
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:12,500
And there's really very little substance or truth behind it, but there's a lot of smoke

478
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:13,500
and mirrors.

479
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:18,160
And I think that people have to really start tuning their discernment and start looking

480
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,720
beyond the hype.

481
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:25,780
And what happened was early on, as Kristen had mentioned, we did have The Intercept,

482
00:38:25,780 --> 00:38:30,700
we did have Mother Jones, we did have certain journalists who were reporting on the grifting,

483
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:35,920
for instance, but that was in the context of, oh, these crazy anti-vaxxers and they believe

484
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,580
in hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, they're crazy.

485
00:38:38,580 --> 00:38:44,340
So nobody in our world was going to give those articles any time or credence or even read

486
00:38:44,340 --> 00:38:45,340
them.

487
00:38:45,340 --> 00:38:46,940
But there was truth to it.

488
00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:47,940
Right.

489
00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:53,620
This is one of the difficulties of the breakdown of media.

490
00:38:53,620 --> 00:38:56,340
And it's not even just hyper partisanship anymore.

491
00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:58,860
It's also the censorship.

492
00:38:58,860 --> 00:39:03,380
I have actually wondered if the censorship is itself a tool for breaking people into

493
00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:04,380
two pools.

494
00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:05,380
Right.

495
00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:12,780
YouTube and Facebook for one pool or something like that.

496
00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:19,740
And then anybody who is right leaning, maybe pushed off to Gab or Getter or Truth Social

497
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:21,260
or something like that.

498
00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:27,060
And I've wondered if that was a deliberate thing, like bring people into places where

499
00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:33,740
they can be showered with influence and showered with possibly grifters, people who don't have

500
00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:37,780
their best interest at heart.

501
00:39:37,780 --> 00:39:44,100
I'm going to mention this since we've talked about the influencers and Kristen, you bring

502
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:46,500
up right wing groups.

503
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:54,180
When I was in Puerto Rico myself for the global COVID summit in September of 2021, one of

504
00:39:54,180 --> 00:39:58,780
the interesting things that I heard, one of the media guys who was involved in the production

505
00:39:58,780 --> 00:40:05,140
of all that, one of the guys mentioned that they had some enormous number of emails from

506
00:40:05,140 --> 00:40:10,700
the Trump family, email addresses from the Trump family, from the charge.

507
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:13,100
I think he said directly from the Trump family.

508
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:17,260
I think the number was something like 90 million.

509
00:40:17,260 --> 00:40:26,920
And when you think about that level of influence and organization, people are putting their

510
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:35,100
information in the hands of people who can build a list, who can sell that.

511
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:40,980
I don't even think sell that information is the worst possibility, but just build a list.

512
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:49,840
And if anybody in any of those organizational circles is there as a bad actor, then suddenly

513
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,960
that list is in the hands of whoever would be the worst enemy that a person would want

514
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,820
to put their information with.

515
00:40:58,820 --> 00:41:07,780
It was also interesting to me that the organization of media influencers was a topic there in Puerto

516
00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:10,220
Rico.

517
00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:13,300
And I heard Russell Brandt's name attached to that.

518
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:22,220
And he did a strange recasting of himself.

519
00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:31,380
And he is now the sort of social media guru who seems to be aiming at disenchanted right-wing

520
00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:41,100
crowd that needs, I don't know, that maybe needs somebody to say, no, you're not crazy

521
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:43,980
for thinking freedom.

522
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:51,340
But if that's an organized image, is it the same thing as somebody having your back?

523
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:53,580
People need to think about that.

524
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:59,420
Where does this go if I follow social media gurus?

525
00:41:59,420 --> 00:42:07,780
I'd love to jump in because there's this element of the money, making money off people and

526
00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:13,660
their plight, or at least it kind of running away from them if it got to the point where

527
00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:16,420
they couldn't manage the demand.

528
00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:19,700
And this question of accountability, if there's missing money, which it sounds like there

529
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:20,700
is.

530
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:23,560
But there's also this element of data harvesting.

531
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,940
And I actually initially started looking into America's frontline doctors early on, like

532
00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:39,020
two years ago, because the astroturfed operations that I had already identified and had confirmation

533
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:45,140
from people who were at the top in the beginning were harvesting data on the members, they

534
00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:54,460
had crossover in their management with, in particular, the Citizen Corps social media

535
00:42:54,460 --> 00:43:00,660
groups that had the same design, which was this was on Telegram and they had a state

536
00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:05,660
Citizen Corps social media for every state in the country.

537
00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:11,460
And so I joined mine, I joined a number of other ones, and I kind of monitored what was

538
00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:16,820
going on, and it became pretty clear to me that they were harvesting data in a number

539
00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:18,180
of different ways.

540
00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:27,540
And so one is actually with petitions, you can gather what's called point in time data,

541
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:33,860
which is like in that instant or for the amount of time that a petition circulates, you get

542
00:43:33,860 --> 00:43:40,820
people to give their personal information and sign something and you get an indication

543
00:43:40,820 --> 00:43:46,660
of how many people there are that you can access who support or don't support a certain

544
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:49,180
thing.

545
00:43:49,180 --> 00:43:54,580
I just did an interview with my friend Gopi Krishna on artificial intelligence, which is

546
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:56,900
on my my sub stack beyond the maze.

547
00:43:56,900 --> 00:44:04,660
And I really love this, this interview he he pulls out two concepts that I think are just

548
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:14,940
absolutely critical for people to develop and or contemplate one being with social media,

549
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:22,980
you have the possibility to actually just push a button or like pull a lever and you

550
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:29,220
can through communicating something, especially through someone with a lot of influence, move

551
00:44:29,220 --> 00:44:33,720
massive amounts of people toward or away from something.

552
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:40,420
But the other concept is the dichotomy between institution and individual.

553
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:48,140
In this case, let's say hero or you might use the term guru Matthew, where you have

554
00:44:48,140 --> 00:44:55,420
a portion of the population give their trust right away to institutions.

555
00:44:55,420 --> 00:45:00,260
And then you have this other portion of the population that is not going to do that.

556
00:45:00,260 --> 00:45:06,660
And the more the media tries to like hurt everyone into the camp of trusting the institutions,

557
00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:10,220
the less this other crowd is going to.

558
00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:13,300
And for that crowd, you need heroes.

559
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:18,840
If you want to move people, you need that level of influence.

560
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:28,940
And so this is this is the realm within which the individual who runs all of America's front

561
00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:32,620
line doctors, social media works in.

562
00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:34,780
It is this sphere of influence.

563
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:38,460
It's literally how he describes what he does.

564
00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:43,640
And that and so I'm certain that they were harvesting data and that that was a really

565
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,640
big part of it.

566
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:51,100
You have the leading medical freedom organization with the largest membership.

567
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:59,220
Why wouldn't that just be a gold mine to characterize the dissenting population?

568
00:45:59,220 --> 00:46:00,660
And it's interesting that it would happen.

569
00:46:00,660 --> 00:46:03,100
You brought up artificial intelligence.

570
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:04,100
I'm going to add to that.

571
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:05,100
J.J.

572
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:10,620
Cooey came on routing the earth two, three months ago, maybe three, four months ago.

573
00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:18,180
And he said, you know what, if this is somewhere near peak population of the world, then now

574
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:22,660
would be the time to collect as much genetic data as possible.

575
00:46:22,660 --> 00:46:23,660
Right.

576
00:46:23,660 --> 00:46:29,020
Similarly to, you know, if we're at the end of an era like maybe the dollar era or something

577
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:34,060
like that, now may be the time to collect as much information about different groups

578
00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:37,060
as possible.

579
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:43,540
Maybe not even with a goal of anything like the medical freedom movement, maybe not even

580
00:46:43,540 --> 00:46:47,980
caring which direction, which team wins or something like that.

581
00:46:47,980 --> 00:46:51,780
For when maybe defined as how policy unfolds from here.

582
00:46:51,780 --> 00:46:55,100
But simply simply to gather the value of that data.

583
00:46:55,100 --> 00:47:01,980
In other words, there is a conflict of interest inherent in the existence now, the emergence

584
00:47:01,980 --> 00:47:05,320
of artificial intelligence tools and machines.

585
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,260
So that's something that people should keep in mind.

586
00:47:08,260 --> 00:47:15,820
You know, own your own data as much as possible, take control of it as much as possible.

587
00:47:15,820 --> 00:47:21,180
And don't just don't just freely give it away in these spaces because you think they're

588
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:29,100
secure, private and run by allies like at least question if you don't know who the people

589
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:34,540
are running these groups, try to try to see if there's indications.

590
00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:42,140
For example, a question like who knows of a doctor in New York State who isn't going

591
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:44,260
to require vaccines.

592
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:45,800
Right.

593
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:52,300
And then all of these well-meaning, not so intelligent people just start giving names.

594
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:58,420
I know of a case in California where and it was related to Citizen Corps, it was related

595
00:47:58,420 --> 00:47:59,900
to a Citizen Corps channel.

596
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:06,900
A doctor had his license removed because the woman running the Citizen Corps channel posted

597
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:11,340
a picture of an exemption that he wrote, supposedly wrote for her.

598
00:48:11,340 --> 00:48:15,900
I don't know if this is true and she said like you all can just go to this doctor to get

599
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:18,260
an exemption.

600
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:20,700
You know, I want to hit upon you.

601
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:26,020
You're talking about heroes and gurus versus institutions and how the population split.

602
00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:31,200
And you know, we talked before in the past how like Fort Hood in California was a place

603
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:36,740
to really create the PSYOPs and the actors and how they were doing a deep dive into creating

604
00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:37,740
gurus in California.

605
00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:41,940
I think it was like the 60s and the 70s and started with even Manson.

606
00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:45,060
And I think that they were looking at the long game back then that they knew at some

607
00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:49,680
point there was going to be a loss of confidence in institutions and government and so on.

608
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,220
So who would the people look to?

609
00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:55,300
And now we look to these independent gurus or heroes.

610
00:48:55,300 --> 00:49:00,540
And I think from what I've seen on the front lines as an activist is that the powers that

611
00:49:00,540 --> 00:49:05,820
be, they know when some kind of movement is bubbling from the bottom up.

612
00:49:05,820 --> 00:49:07,520
They can sense that.

613
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,060
And they're really brilliant at tapping in to, OK, like who are we going to put at the

614
00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:14,300
front here to steer that crowd?

615
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:20,060
You know, it could be, you know, the Egyptian revolution or it could be like the Arab Spring

616
00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:21,060
is that type of thing.

617
00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:24,220
Like there was this rumbling below and they just took it and they started in a different

618
00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:25,220
direction.

619
00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:29,500
So we have to understand that 100 percent that is happening.

620
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:32,660
And we have to, again, have that discernment to figure out who are these individuals.

621
00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:35,820
And a lot of it is you have to look at who's behind them, what's their history, who's

622
00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:38,940
the money with Simone Gold.

623
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:40,260
She goes out there and says, I'm the founder.

624
00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:41,260
I started AFLDS.

625
00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:43,980
We know for a fact that no, she did not start it.

626
00:49:43,980 --> 00:49:47,220
She was put at the, you know, you know, at the head of it.

627
00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:48,960
She was the face of it.

628
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,660
But that is not the narrative she shares today.

629
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:54,300
So I would be careful as much as I love Russell Brand and he makes me laugh.

630
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:56,500
I think he's a great guy.

631
00:49:56,500 --> 00:50:00,060
I get really concerned when I see certain ties with like who he's married to or family

632
00:50:00,060 --> 00:50:02,220
members or what his past is.

633
00:50:02,220 --> 00:50:07,540
And I think what everybody has a responsibility to whoever it is that they're following, at

634
00:50:07,540 --> 00:50:10,980
the very least, they should start doing a deep dive or look at those who are doing deep

635
00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:15,620
dives and these individuals, because it's not what we think it is.

636
00:50:15,620 --> 00:50:19,500
And what we know from AFLDS, it's all about creating a perception.

637
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:23,140
It's all about creating smoke and mirrors and collecting that data and going those with

638
00:50:23,140 --> 00:50:25,260
how that data is going to be used later on.

639
00:50:25,260 --> 00:50:29,460
But that's what I'm seeing right now is that, like, for instance, in Europe, we are seeing

640
00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:35,180
an absolute revolution that is skyrocketing, is exploding in France and other countries.

641
00:50:35,180 --> 00:50:38,540
But we also know that it's going to be highly, highly manipulated.

642
00:50:38,540 --> 00:50:43,660
And so we have to have that discernment and really step back and take a deep dive and

643
00:50:43,660 --> 00:50:45,260
look at it.

644
00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:50,980
So this is interesting that you bring up Fort Hood and research into how to create gurus,

645
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:56,940
because this is actually a topic that I've spent a significant portion of my adult life

646
00:50:56,940 --> 00:50:58,860
examining.

647
00:50:58,860 --> 00:51:05,660
And this is what I think was going on at the Stanford Research Institute.

648
00:51:05,660 --> 00:51:13,700
Jim Channing, who worked in a think tank within the DOD, within the Army, Jim Channing was

649
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:19,660
somebody who went to California and studied how it is the gurus operated.

650
00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:25,700
People who had like little cults, a little bit of land and cult, David Kresh types, maybe

651
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:31,020
not quite as extreme, maybe more extreme in some ways, but how did that control of people

652
00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:35,500
really happen and take place?

653
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:41,020
And specifically, I was actually involved in a program growing up as a child that was

654
00:51:41,020 --> 00:51:44,580
part of that Jim Channing program.

655
00:51:44,580 --> 00:51:48,020
And they called the program remote viewing.

656
00:51:48,020 --> 00:51:52,060
And there are a lot of people who believe that the remote viewing is true.

657
00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:54,860
I mean, to me, it's silly.

658
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:56,760
I saw the way these people behaved.

659
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,460
And I think that they were all just untrustworthy and that there was clearly something else

660
00:52:00,460 --> 00:52:01,460
going on.

661
00:52:01,460 --> 00:52:06,340
I've called it governance by aggressive nonsensical guruism.

662
00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:13,940
It's gangs that I think they're trying to establish some sort of new social order or

663
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:18,100
the ability to be able to lead people.

664
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:22,660
Perhaps once they've sort of been brain neutered in the school system.

665
00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:28,500
But specifically, you know, when you go back to the Stanford Research Institute, they were

666
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:38,980
they brought in this convincing nightclub magician from Israel, sort of guru-esque personality,

667
00:52:38,980 --> 00:52:40,300
Yuri Geller.

668
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:47,500
His primary thing once he was put on TV and cultivating an audience was literally a nightclub

669
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:50,260
magic trick of spoon bending.

670
00:52:50,260 --> 00:52:56,900
But the interesting thing about him, perhaps in my mind, is he was sued by a woman in Israel

671
00:52:56,900 --> 00:53:02,140
because at the end of his act, he wouldn't admit that it wasn't real.

672
00:53:02,140 --> 00:53:07,540
You know, you have this person who just like sticks to the story, willing.

673
00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:16,700
And even when it upsets people, they're committed to the illusion.

674
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:24,540
My commitment to the illusion, that's when you have a guru, I think.

675
00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:28,420
And there are a lot of people, I think, who get taken in by the remote viewing program

676
00:53:28,420 --> 00:53:32,300
who just say, why would the government have spent hundreds of millions of dollars if it

677
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:36,820
weren't to actually like, you know, catch up with the Soviets and fight the Soviets or

678
00:53:36,820 --> 00:53:38,300
whatever.

679
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:42,300
And my thought is always like, no, no, no, look, look just a little bit deeper here.

680
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:50,060
You know, this program was about developing emotional and mental control over people.

681
00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:55,420
And something like remote viewing is just a great testing ground for that because most

682
00:53:55,420 --> 00:53:58,860
of the programs, most of the things they said they were training people to do like walk

683
00:53:58,860 --> 00:54:03,180
through walls are such obvious nonsense.

684
00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:08,260
Or I guess, you know, I don't know the fundamental nature of the universe necessarily.

685
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:10,400
I guess I can keep an open mind.

686
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,060
Maybe somebody walks through walls.

687
00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:13,700
I don't know.

688
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:18,820
But it's the kind of thing that your skepticism should be highest about at the very least.

689
00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:25,180
So when people just come to accept it, you know that there is something going on in the

690
00:54:25,180 --> 00:54:26,820
social sauce there.

691
00:54:26,820 --> 00:54:27,820
Right.

692
00:54:27,820 --> 00:54:32,220
And I think that it's really important for people to think that way as it is that we

693
00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:39,200
have something like a new era and even the help of artificial intelligence, knowing who

694
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,100
you are and how you can be emotionally plied.

695
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:44,180
People should be thinking that way.

696
00:54:44,180 --> 00:54:49,460
It should be harder to trust than ever before unless you really have worked with people

697
00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:52,260
you know that personally.

698
00:54:52,260 --> 00:54:53,780
I mean, I think you're hitting upon it.

699
00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:58,940
I mean, I have a lot of people say, what do we do now with the deep fake videos, even

700
00:54:58,940 --> 00:55:02,920
the deep fake audios, AI.

701
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,740
It really makes trusting online and what you see and hear almost impossible to believe.

702
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:11,580
And I think what we're going to have to do ultimately is, and I know the irony of me

703
00:55:11,580 --> 00:55:16,940
saying this on a screen, but as we have to remove ourselves from the screen and really

704
00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:22,620
start working and creating and coalescing those small pods of people that you know and

705
00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:27,260
trust and you can have a face to face contact because now more than ever, and again, our

706
00:55:27,260 --> 00:55:31,100
screens have been, they've been weaponized against us for sure.

707
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:34,060
So now more than ever, you really can't trust what you see on the screen.

708
00:55:34,060 --> 00:55:39,260
So I'm really encouraging people to start having those weekly potlucks and growing your

709
00:55:39,260 --> 00:55:45,460
food and connecting and sharing skills and improving upon skills because what we see

710
00:55:45,460 --> 00:55:49,660
on the screen is going to only get worse and worse over the next few years.

711
00:55:49,660 --> 00:55:53,620
And so it's terrible because I actually don't know what to trust any longer on the screen.

712
00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:58,060
It's really, really difficult.

713
00:55:58,060 --> 00:55:59,260
And I had people who used to believe me.

714
00:55:59,260 --> 00:56:02,080
A few years ago, they listened to me.

715
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,860
And then they just, and they were, they were putting solar on their homes.

716
00:56:04,860 --> 00:56:06,420
They were growing food.

717
00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:07,940
They were, they were constructing greenhouses.

718
00:56:07,940 --> 00:56:12,780
And let me tell you, overnight when the fear struck, they're like, we don't trust you,

719
00:56:12,780 --> 00:56:13,780
Renette.

720
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:14,780
We believe in Fauci.

721
00:56:14,780 --> 00:56:18,140
And I was like, you didn't even know who Fauci was a month ago.

722
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:21,500
And these are people who are now fully vaccinated and they're not doing well, but they, they

723
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:29,300
literally gave up this incredible 40 year, 30 year relationship for somebody on the screen

724
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:33,020
as their guru and they're not doing well.

725
00:56:33,020 --> 00:56:34,020
Yeah.

726
00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:39,580
I think that there's, that there's some sort of a mental hacking where each of us desperately

727
00:56:39,580 --> 00:56:41,300
wants to have a leader.

728
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:42,300
Yeah.

729
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:44,940
It is, it's ingrained in our minds.

730
00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:49,940
You know, the primates, you know, you have, you know, you typically have a silver back

731
00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:52,420
or something like that.

732
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:57,740
Some people say the alpha male and gorilla culture, sometimes it's, it's the female,

733
00:56:57,740 --> 00:57:00,820
but it's a combination of politics and strength, right?

734
00:57:00,820 --> 00:57:04,580
Whatever, whatever it means to keep the equilibrium of the truth.

735
00:57:04,580 --> 00:57:05,580
Right.

736
00:57:05,580 --> 00:57:11,220
And, but, you know, so you have larger and larger groups, the human brain got large enough

737
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:15,780
that we can know personally, large number of people sometimes it's referred to as the

738
00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:22,620
Dunbar number 150, though people say, well, we can, we can manage to 300 social relationships.

739
00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:24,060
Doesn't matter whatever that number is.

740
00:57:24,060 --> 00:57:26,860
I posited about a decade ago.

741
00:57:26,860 --> 00:57:33,180
I came up with this notion that, that the reason that political leadership is so good

742
00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:40,140
at lying and getting away with it constantly is because people look for a very specific

743
00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:45,900
person to fit into their, to like a specific slot in their Dunbar number, right?

744
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:51,380
The tribe has a chief, there is a silverback, there is an alpha.

745
00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:56,220
And if we are all disconnected from our local communities, then what happens is people

746
00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:59,700
develop a parasocial relationship.

747
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:03,660
And can it be a parasocial relationship with, with Simone Gold?

748
00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:09,260
Can it be a parasocial relationship with Robert Malone or with, with Steve Kirsch?

749
00:58:09,260 --> 00:58:12,340
And this is why I don't like the hero game so much.

750
00:58:12,340 --> 00:58:13,340
Right.

751
00:58:13,340 --> 00:58:18,580
You know, once, once that, once that person in your mind is the head of your tribe, they

752
00:58:18,580 --> 00:58:24,220
have an enormous amount of influence on where it is you decide to take your politics, your

753
00:58:24,220 --> 00:58:27,300
personal decisions, all of that.

754
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:33,540
It's, it's a parasocial relationship, but it fits in evolutionarily, I think, to the formation

755
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:34,860
of our minds.

756
00:58:34,860 --> 00:58:41,420
And so, you know, we've entered a different age with, with control of media and with,

757
00:58:41,420 --> 00:58:45,500
with artificial intelligence and the ability to gather and process so much information.

758
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:47,940
I think that's, that's ultimately at the heart of this.

759
00:58:47,940 --> 00:58:53,240
So maybe it is that AFLDS could turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

760
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:59,580
If this turns out to have just been, you know, a plan to abscond with tens of millions of

761
00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:05,940
dollars and maybe even leave enough behind in the organization so that all the people

762
00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:12,140
working there can sort of, you know, if, if you haven't actually really gone after it

763
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:19,060
with a sword, you know, then, then you're really just taking the money and staying hush, hush,

764
00:59:19,060 --> 00:59:20,060
right?

765
00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:21,060
So.

766
00:59:21,060 --> 00:59:27,220
So the current AFLDS board or new board members, if they're replaced, they have to go after

767
00:59:27,220 --> 00:59:28,700
Simone Gold.

768
00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:31,300
They have to stop the fraud and the criminality.

769
00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:36,540
Otherwise we have to question, we have to question their motives and, and we have to

770
00:59:36,540 --> 00:59:38,700
question whether or not they're, they're part of the plan.

771
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:43,900
So you, you can't, you, they can't allow this in good faith.

772
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:47,900
And I, you know, I, I suspect that Henry's right about the law, Henry, really.

773
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:52,460
And, and, but he's certainly right in spirit if, if, if something like that has taken place

774
00:59:52,460 --> 00:59:58,060
in your organization and you are not pushing to open up the doors and, and invite people,

775
00:59:58,060 --> 01:00:04,180
invite the investigators and law enforcement in to manage the problem, then, then I think

776
01:00:04,180 --> 01:00:06,100
that you are also guilty yourself.

777
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:09,220
But so, you know, we'll see.

778
01:00:09,220 --> 01:00:13,220
And this is, I think this is the way that the entire medical freedom movement needs

779
01:00:13,220 --> 01:00:14,220
to be governed.

780
01:00:14,220 --> 01:00:15,420
Not that it's necessarily one move.

781
01:00:15,420 --> 01:00:17,620
There are a lot of people who stop and go, it's not a movement.

782
01:00:17,620 --> 01:00:22,540
And there's sort of a truth in that, but it's also, there is also clearly a truth in the

783
01:00:22,540 --> 01:00:23,900
fact that it is a movement, right?

784
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:29,100
It's like, you don't need a definition to know that, that there is something going on, right?

785
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:33,180
That there are people who are looking for others who are like, wait a minute, this,

786
01:00:33,180 --> 01:00:40,800
this strange, you know, U-turn in terms of, of believing in, in the value of natural rights

787
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:46,900
and value of, of many people making many decisions that, that, you know, test a lot of possibilities

788
01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:51,820
and help us, you know, confederate the formation of society and the formation of our economy

789
01:00:51,820 --> 01:00:52,820
and all that.

790
01:00:52,820 --> 01:00:59,460
All the positivity and creativity that's in that, that, that there's, you know, those

791
01:00:59,460 --> 01:01:03,980
of us who are recognizing and looking around and going, wait a minute, who really believes

792
01:01:03,980 --> 01:01:05,340
in freedom still?

793
01:01:05,340 --> 01:01:07,280
There's something to that.

794
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,940
But if everybody gives up, if everybody puts all that responsibility in the hands of a

795
01:01:10,940 --> 01:01:16,860
few people, those people could, for instance, just intentionally drop the ball or walk away

796
01:01:16,860 --> 01:01:20,540
with a large basket of money or something like that.

797
01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:28,340
So you know, be discerning people, be very, very careful, create as much as you can yourself

798
01:01:28,340 --> 01:01:30,220
and just, and with the people around you.

799
01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:33,780
And, and if you don't have enough people around you, you know, put out the signals, put, you

800
01:01:33,780 --> 01:01:39,860
know, put your fingers on the flare gun, you know, find a, make a meetup, you know, be

801
01:01:39,860 --> 01:01:41,220
your own leader.

802
01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:45,620
You're not looking for that parasocial relationship if you're being your own leader.

803
01:01:45,620 --> 01:01:52,460
There's also just, there's a couple tools that I think can be identified that are really

804
01:01:52,460 --> 01:01:58,380
helpful for people who are engaging with content online, because let's be real, that's not

805
01:01:58,380 --> 01:02:01,340
going to go away anytime soon.

806
01:02:01,340 --> 01:02:07,660
And it is a helpful tool if we can cultivate, you know, being in right relationship to it.

807
01:02:07,660 --> 01:02:16,100
One is objectivity, that there's distance between you and the message or the individual who's

808
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:18,380
communicating the message.

809
01:02:18,380 --> 01:02:26,800
If you know, you don't know the person personally, that there's enough time or thought put into

810
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:33,740
how was this designed and for what purpose, and that you can just take that space and

811
01:02:33,740 --> 01:02:37,940
come, you don't just get swept via your emotions.

812
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:39,580
Oh yeah, absolutely.

813
01:02:39,580 --> 01:02:46,460
Like I like this, I'm going to share it or oh no, intercept, anti-vax or bad, you know,

814
01:02:46,460 --> 01:02:52,380
that you can actually just look at the whole landscape to the best of your ability and

815
01:02:52,380 --> 01:03:01,180
draw from that what's real and then also co-create in relationship to that content with your own

816
01:03:01,180 --> 01:03:02,540
mind.

817
01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:12,900
And another is trying to understand and be able to identify these levers.

818
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:21,140
So you mentioned censorship and the role censorship has played as a perfect example, because on

819
01:03:21,140 --> 01:03:26,860
the one hand you had really intense censorship, still do, censorship, but then on the other

820
01:03:26,860 --> 01:03:35,060
side it was used to immediately gain trust from people through messaging like the most

821
01:03:35,060 --> 01:03:40,220
censored doctor, you know, medical censorship.

822
01:03:40,220 --> 01:03:42,500
I'll give you one example.

823
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:47,900
There's a guy, Jason Sherka, he's kind of like a new agey, whether he means to be or not,

824
01:03:47,900 --> 01:03:53,620
he's definitely guru status and he's got this whole huge platform at this point.

825
01:03:53,620 --> 01:03:59,660
It's all very new agey and he has this light system.

826
01:03:59,660 --> 01:04:03,260
I don't know, he's got some story where there's like a whistleblower who's like part of an

827
01:04:03,260 --> 01:04:10,360
alien race and Jason Sherka has chosen to like represent them in the world or whatever.

828
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:17,500
And there's these videos where he's interviewing this whistleblower and it's like all the voice

829
01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:20,620
changed, sounding all weird and like dark.

830
01:04:20,620 --> 01:04:27,660
You can't see the face under a hood and this supposed alien being says like, you know,

831
01:04:27,660 --> 01:04:29,300
why have you been chosen?

832
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:30,300
You've been chosen.

833
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:31,900
Why do they want to censor you?

834
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:33,460
Like you're so young.

835
01:04:33,460 --> 01:04:38,460
And I saw someone else kind of doing an analysis of this video and this guy say like, wait

836
01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:42,460
a minute, is Jason Sherka even actually censored?

837
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:47,820
And then like Googled and he has like Instagram, Facebook, all of it, you know, he's just got

838
01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:50,380
this whole huge platform.

839
01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:56,580
So there's just a perfect example of that's a lever because there's so many people here,

840
01:04:56,580 --> 01:05:01,060
you're the most censored who just immediately fall right into that.

841
01:05:01,060 --> 01:05:07,820
Like therefore I trust you because you're a victim of the establishment as well as I

842
01:05:07,820 --> 01:05:09,780
am, which is real.

843
01:05:09,780 --> 01:05:13,660
And if you have the amount of money coming in that you can afford someone to handle your

844
01:05:13,660 --> 01:05:18,460
social media and there are all these different platforms available, then you're effectively

845
01:05:18,460 --> 01:05:19,460
not censored.

846
01:05:19,460 --> 01:05:25,300
So that's the way that leadership works the most on people who are not deriving some substantial

847
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:26,300
income.

848
01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:27,300
Absolutely.

849
01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:28,300
Right.

850
01:05:28,300 --> 01:05:33,460
It's harder when YouTube shut down routing the earth, for instance, I still have a lot

851
01:05:33,460 --> 01:05:38,900
of my educational videos that I still I just don't have all the extra time to go back and

852
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:43,900
upload them to rumble or put my education channel or something like that.

853
01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:44,900
Right.

854
01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:48,460
That's that's a several hour time cost and that will come at the expense of not doing

855
01:05:48,460 --> 01:05:49,460
something else.

856
01:05:49,460 --> 01:05:58,420
So it is it's much less effective on people who have money on who have some sort of monetized

857
01:05:58,420 --> 01:06:00,460
stake in what's going on.

858
01:06:00,460 --> 01:06:07,700
So if I could rewind, actually, we began a conversation and we're talking about where

859
01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:12,140
did things begin right in order for you to ground yourself in the judgment of what it

860
01:06:12,140 --> 01:06:15,220
is that you're watching.

861
01:06:15,220 --> 01:06:22,660
How is it that it came about that America Frontline Doctors Media was located in Israel,

862
01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:33,220
given that they were created as in as like an America first type of image as an organization?

863
01:06:33,220 --> 01:06:34,220
That is a mystery.

864
01:06:34,220 --> 01:06:35,940
I have to tell you, it is a mystery.

865
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:38,700
And we don't know.

866
01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:41,020
I don't know if it was something Simone put into place.

867
01:06:41,020 --> 01:06:43,260
I don't know if it was already there in place.

868
01:06:43,260 --> 01:06:46,700
I'm assuming was put into place before she even got there.

869
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:49,320
That was just part of that was a piece of the pie.

870
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:54,100
So she may have just been chosen to play the role and somebody else was already creating

871
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:56,820
the the actual picture itself.

872
01:06:56,820 --> 01:06:57,820
That's possible.

873
01:06:57,820 --> 01:06:59,620
I read an article the other day.

874
01:06:59,620 --> 01:07:06,060
I saw an article that made me rethink some of the way that I interpreted some of this,

875
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:09,620
which was it was an article specifically about Israeli intelligence.

876
01:07:09,620 --> 01:07:15,100
But it was talking about how the tools of Israeli intelligence had been gradually like

877
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:20,580
leaking out, as in, you know, now you have like private security firms or you have people

878
01:07:20,580 --> 01:07:26,060
who retire from these intelligence agencies and start their own like private intelligence

879
01:07:26,060 --> 01:07:27,060
firm.

880
01:07:27,060 --> 01:07:28,060
Right.

881
01:07:28,060 --> 01:07:30,900
And suddenly they know all the tricks of the trade.

882
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:35,340
And if there's additional technology involved, maybe they have access to it.

883
01:07:35,340 --> 01:07:41,340
And suddenly those people can run all kinds of campaigns and they can do it without caring

884
01:07:41,340 --> 01:07:46,660
about what it is they say they care about, whatever kind of mission statement they can

885
01:07:46,660 --> 01:07:49,260
do it to draw eyeballs to make money.

886
01:07:49,260 --> 01:07:52,940
They can do it to draw eyeballs to collect data.

887
01:07:52,940 --> 01:07:57,820
And as you've already said, you know, one point six million emails leaked from one organization

888
01:07:57,820 --> 01:08:01,580
alone or at least that that's that's what we've heard with AFLDS.

889
01:08:01,580 --> 01:08:08,300
You know, that is a lot of information to sell to advertisers or other people who want

890
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:12,740
that information in order to best figure out how to manipulate you.

891
01:08:12,740 --> 01:08:18,300
And that may be the world that we're moving into is a constant game of defense of that.

892
01:08:18,300 --> 01:08:23,440
And that is fifth generation warfare automatically, even without it trying to be.

893
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:27,920
Every time you see an influencer, every time you see an ad, every time you watch a podcast,

894
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:34,420
you should be wondering if if there's some sort of underlying motivation and and, you

895
01:08:34,420 --> 01:08:37,220
know, like wondering that doesn't have to be an accusation.

896
01:08:37,220 --> 01:08:41,980
It can just force you to spend more time thinking through what's being said.

897
01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:42,980
Right.

898
01:08:42,980 --> 01:08:47,220
Well, the cyber side is interesting, but the Israeli Defense Force is in control of the

899
01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:48,220
U.S. cybersecurity.

900
01:08:48,220 --> 01:08:52,500
They got the contract a couple of years ago and I've had people say, well, I'd rather

901
01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:57,460
have Israel Israel, you know, have the cyber security contract than somebody else.

902
01:08:57,460 --> 01:09:03,860
I'm like, I'm not secure with any nation, any other military be in charge of America's

903
01:09:03,860 --> 01:09:05,140
cybersecurity.

904
01:09:05,140 --> 01:09:07,460
I don't know what to tell you.

905
01:09:07,460 --> 01:09:11,620
You know, it is interesting and granted, you know, Simone is we've talked about the Simone

906
01:09:11,620 --> 01:09:15,140
Gold is Jewish, though she is her.

907
01:09:15,140 --> 01:09:20,100
She really is hitting the the Christian churches hard for money, by the way, big time.

908
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:22,420
And so it's kind of like, you know, it's interesting she's doing this.

909
01:09:22,420 --> 01:09:27,660
But she does have with her for profit business, a gold care.

910
01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:32,260
If there's any disputes within the the business within the employees, she has she has them

911
01:09:32,260 --> 01:09:36,940
sign this agreement that they they have to put forward their dispute before the Council

912
01:09:36,940 --> 01:09:41,300
of Rabbis, which I just think is an odd thing to do, especially when people aren't Jewish.

913
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:44,900
She's the only person I think who's Jewish in.

914
01:09:44,900 --> 01:09:47,180
And again, I have nothing against my partner's Jewish right.

915
01:09:47,180 --> 01:09:48,180
I have nothing.

916
01:09:48,180 --> 01:09:50,740
But it's it's Israeli Defense Force.

917
01:09:50,740 --> 01:09:51,860
Right.

918
01:09:51,860 --> 01:09:53,260
That's who I'm concerned with.

919
01:09:53,260 --> 01:09:56,980
It's those connections and and the black ops.

920
01:09:56,980 --> 01:10:00,620
That's who I'm the poor Israeli people have been eviscerated over the last few years.

921
01:10:00,620 --> 01:10:02,980
They've been the biggest guinea pigs on the planet.

922
01:10:02,980 --> 01:10:03,980
It's not about them.

923
01:10:03,980 --> 01:10:09,220
It's about when it comes to intelligence agencies like the motivations there, you know, always

924
01:10:09,220 --> 01:10:11,140
look different.

925
01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:13,340
You know, who are they really serving?

926
01:10:13,340 --> 01:10:18,020
You know, I'm sure, you know, Truman basically so much as said, you know, this is this, you

927
01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:22,060
know, the CIA had become a policy making arm in the US.

928
01:10:22,060 --> 01:10:27,580
You know, just not not that I'm deep into the topic, but it certainly seems that Israeli

929
01:10:27,580 --> 01:10:30,500
intelligence is kind of that way in Israel as well.

930
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:40,160
Yeah, I'm also not deep into the topic, but I will say that there were like many markers

931
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:45,860
over the course of the last two years of my research that connected America's frontline

932
01:10:45,860 --> 01:10:52,460
doctors to Israel, to to Israeli intelligence and to the idea.

933
01:10:52,460 --> 01:11:01,100
And I believe that I remember reading that her father was actually ex IDF.

934
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:08,100
And he also was like the county commissioner of health in Orange County, New York, which

935
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:10,840
is just a couple of counties away from me.

936
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:16,840
And if, you know, people really wanted to, they could go and look at the Heritage Foundation.

937
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,380
They could go look at Alec.

938
01:11:18,380 --> 01:11:23,640
They could go look at, you know, some of these kind of deep state on the right organizations

939
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:33,620
and PACs and see that there's a real collaborative spectrum there between, you know, United States

940
01:11:33,620 --> 01:11:40,460
politicians and policymakers and Israeli within that crowd.

941
01:11:40,460 --> 01:11:45,820
So you know, it's probably and she worked with Michael Oren, right?

942
01:11:45,820 --> 01:11:52,800
And so that that was a that was broke by Mother Jones, actually.

943
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,860
But that's also that's a high level really.

944
01:11:55,860 --> 01:12:00,060
That's a relationship with a high level Israeli politician.

945
01:12:00,060 --> 01:12:02,100
Very high United States.

946
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:03,820
And you can't discount at all.

947
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:07,240
You cannot discount the generational connections, right?

948
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:13,860
Like if the father of the grandfather were involved with the IDF or the CIA or any of

949
01:12:13,860 --> 01:12:21,820
that, you can't just simply assume that, you know, their grandchild, whatever, is not also

950
01:12:21,820 --> 01:12:25,980
involved because those familial ties are really, really, really important.

951
01:12:25,980 --> 01:12:28,760
They do like to keep it in the family.

952
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:32,020
And so when you do see those ties, you have to give them serious consideration.

953
01:12:32,020 --> 01:12:39,100
I just want to say one more note on the in relationship to this, like the birth of America's

954
01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:46,140
frontline doctors and how much that matters, even if we just backed it up to political

955
01:12:46,140 --> 01:12:53,520
influencers around Trump, if we're in agreement with the message, does that actually matter?

956
01:12:53,520 --> 01:13:01,200
And I think just in general, for people who want to kind of hone some capacity with relationship

957
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:10,980
to content online and on screens, another is to explore the multifaceted nature of truth

958
01:13:10,980 --> 01:13:19,540
because the message of something can be true, but the vehicle of it in a way, the context

959
01:13:19,540 --> 01:13:26,100
can actually not be true and also the intent that it's layered.

960
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:31,400
And so if you have a message that speaks to you, that content of which is true, but the

961
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:40,220
intent behind that message is deceitful, then the question is, is that actually true?

962
01:13:40,220 --> 01:13:41,220
That's what we're facing.

963
01:13:41,220 --> 01:13:44,220
That's exactly what we're facing.

964
01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:53,000
At the very least, the truth of that may be who it is that you give your support to.

965
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:58,460
So a message can be true, but if the medium is something that you then trust and the medium

966
01:13:58,460 --> 01:14:06,260
is what steers you, that may be one example of that, which you said.

967
01:14:06,260 --> 01:14:08,300
Any other thoughts before we go?

968
01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:13,780
Have we covered everything that we know about America's frontline doctors or everything

969
01:14:13,780 --> 01:14:16,540
that at least we think is the relevant news?

970
01:14:16,540 --> 01:14:18,540
What's going on there?

971
01:14:18,540 --> 01:14:25,220
Yeah, with AFLDS, it's moving forward, as I said, it's a bit volatile right now internally

972
01:14:25,220 --> 01:14:31,540
because they've got a clean house and they've got to keep their ethical standards high and

973
01:14:31,540 --> 01:14:35,740
they've got to pursue justice with Simone Gold and call this out.

974
01:14:35,740 --> 01:14:40,260
And I believe from what I've been gathering, they have been doing that.

975
01:14:40,260 --> 01:14:44,660
And in fact, there is, if you want to see, there is a report that was put out on the

976
01:14:44,660 --> 01:14:50,100
14th actually of March by the Oversight Commission of AFLDS.

977
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:56,460
If you go to medicalfetum.org, just go there and you can actually download their most recent

978
01:14:56,460 --> 01:15:02,500
report and get exactly their action items, what they've done so far, what they've accomplished

979
01:15:02,500 --> 01:15:05,020
and what they are in the middle and the throes of right now.

980
01:15:05,020 --> 01:15:13,420
It will be interesting to see how much internal conflict there is over that path given that

981
01:15:13,420 --> 01:15:19,180
with that much going on, there's probably multiple factions.

982
01:15:19,180 --> 01:15:25,180
And I'm sure that Simone Gold had friends inside and I'm not saying that I think she's

983
01:15:25,180 --> 01:15:27,540
in the wrong necessarily.

984
01:15:27,540 --> 01:15:34,900
I have my opinion, but I'm happy to watch and let it play out.

985
01:15:34,900 --> 01:15:39,600
But thank you so much for joining us and sharing all of this.

986
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:48,380
And I hope that people use this to have some sense of how to navigate because it is a

987
01:15:48,380 --> 01:15:52,140
more and more complex world at the moment.

988
01:15:52,140 --> 01:15:53,140
Well thank you, Matthew.

989
01:15:53,140 --> 01:15:54,140
Thanks for the opportunity.

990
01:15:54,140 --> 01:15:55,340
And Kristen, it's always great to see you.

991
01:15:55,340 --> 01:15:56,620
Yes, you too.

992
01:15:56,620 --> 01:15:59,380
Thanks for having us on, Matthew.

993
01:15:59,380 --> 01:16:02,500
And we'll see what unfolds.

994
01:16:02,500 --> 01:16:06,100
All right.

995
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:07,420
Well we'll wrap things up.

996
01:16:07,420 --> 01:16:11,620
I'm going to look and see comments real quick, see if there's anybody who has any questions

997
01:16:11,620 --> 01:16:12,620
that need answering.

998
01:16:12,620 --> 01:16:14,380
It looks like we're good.

999
01:16:14,380 --> 01:16:37,620
We'll see you again another time.