It's another milestone for what's the buttons it's episode 30
And with me I have Steph
Not ash
on nights again
So that's upsetting that you couldn't be here for another I think you missed the last milestone
I think I think he missed 20 or did he not no
I don't think so. He missed the first exclusive episode on patreon. Yeah, which by the way you can subscribe to
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Yeah, how are you?
Yeah, Steph had COVID everyone in the house got COVID and
Me and your mom managed to avoid it. Yeah, that's literally was half as both fuck knows how I have no idea how that happened
But yeah, so
We're quite tired to be fair. I must admit the energy levels are quite low. I've been busy at work for once
Doing a lot of chainsaw related stuff. So I'm a bit tired
But as ever we're gonna provide you
Bless your ear rolls with good stuff with some good shit
Cat
There's a cat purring for you want some ASMR. This is actually we've got our first guest
Izzy what have you to say?
I guarantee they won't hear that. They might do it depends how loud people please listen to it
Maybe I'll heighten the audio
We haven't done a list
No, no
Yeah, we sort of
well
The quarry would be a good one. Oh, we going straight in. Yeah
Fuck all the messing around it'll be the quarry
Me and Steph both played it together. If you listen to the last podcast episode, you would have
Heard me complaining about the quarry and how me and Mark both purchased it hoping to play it together and in actual fact
Because we're lonely and it's just the two of us
You can't play it multiplayer. Well, no, I think it's it's
It's just a bit of a wanky set up
In the sense that you can see why they thought it was a good idea. It's fucking stupid what I don't understand
How hard is it to make a?
online play
Exactly like the couch cop without passing the controller. That's all they had to do
so the setup of yeah, yeah, and it's called it's called like wolf pack or something like that and
And essentially what happened? I don't know. Did you explain?
Well, let's roll it back real quick. So so you got you got single-player for the quarry
so the quarry for the people that may not have listened to the last episode is a a
horror
Telltale type game
though
And it's it's made by the same people that made the dark anthology picture series
Which me and mark have played every single one in that series
and yes, the they made the quarry and
It it originally came out a single player and then multiplayer was added in at a later date and it has
Online multiplayer and then like Steph said couch co-op, which is a LAN party essentially. Yeah
Go on
I
I was watching I was in bed because I wasn't well, but I was watching recent mark have a go and
Essentially what was happening?
Was I discovered because he and I did you were seeding when I interrupted you but I'm sure now that you're glad I did
That's only because you have a habit of
Yeah, but I was always canceling headphones. Oh, right
Was it and it were the interruption, you know, you know how?
Mothers their hearing is adapted to
Being alerted by high-pitched noises in a sense that if their babies crying, there's a high-pitched noise and they wake up
I'm almost certain that my ears have adapted to your voice
Because when I got them headphones on you can't fucking hear anything around you anything at all
That's what they're designed for. It's why I paid the big bucks for them, but you I
Can hear you clear as day?
Clear as day. I'll be sitting there. The game will be loud as fuck and I will hear you
Mumble something behind me and I just know to turn around and you do it every time and it's both sweet
Cold, it's sweet and annoying at the same time
but basically
What I found out was essentially
Whoever started the party is the only one who makes the decisions
And you can have up to seven friends, but all those people do is vote on the decisions
which makes it essentially yet unplayable if it's two of you because
Whoever votes what just is either fifty fifty or a hundred percent
if you've got seven people except that would be incredible because the
Arguments you would be having because obviously a lot of the decisions you have to make us
So probably like 70% of the of the decisions you have to make in the game
There's no time limit to make them. Yeah, you just sit there in the in the cut script
Fucking can I speak? I can't speak properly in the
Cut scene. Yeah, and then nothing happens and then the other 30%
Is all timed and some of them are really quick
So it would it sounds like it would be absolute chaos if you had seven people having to make a quick decision in five seconds
And you've got no time to talk to anyone. You've got to make your decision
Did you get to one of those where it needed to happen like because I can can you imagine?
When I bet it just doesn't ask. Yeah, we yeah at the beginning when you're when you get knocked off the road
And you have to decide whether to hit the log or
Yeah, steer away from it. That's a that was a timed one. Yeah, and you had a choice. I had a choice
This was this was where it caught us off guard because
What me and mark did for the first couple ones because it we did quite a few of them
I went one I'd go choose the option on the left and he'd choose the option on the right and it would follow him
Yeah, and then there were some options where we would both pick the same and then it was only for like when you said is
When we did a quick experiment with it and for the next like five things that come up
We went completely opposite
Answers and it always went with marks. Yeah, cuz he was cuz he was the host
But I'd imagine if you had if there was one more person if it was me and another person that were picking
The option on the left and he was picking the one on the right
We would go for the the one on the left because it was giving us a percentage every time we was answering. So
And I just found that I found that so annoying because there was nowhere
That it told you that's how it played out in the game
Even before you set up the party didn't say what the
That's how it did things. No, and I mean, I don't I don't know how hard could have been if you want that mode cracking
But being that how couch cop worked was essentially you could have again up to eight players
and essentially how you do it is you've got your eight characters and you
Assigned them to be yeah player one player two
So we just we to make it easy because I wasn't sure how
You know easy we remember who was who I did all the girls raised it all the boys
So, you know pretty straightforward and that was how we remembered
But it did actually come up and say like player one player two. Yeah, but there was also an option to just completely randomize it
well, yeah, and
Why why you wouldn't offer that online? I don't understand how hard is to just is it something about diverting the the the
You know the play between consoles
but this is this is the this is the um, the difficult thing to understand is exactly that and the fact that
so
Supermassive games made it and like I say
The dark anthology picture series is what they do. That's that's what they do and and and they're no
No, but you're playing it concept. You're playing it at the same time
Yes, that's what they do. And I think that's what they do
They're playing it at the same time
Yes, that's not what this was. No, but I'm saying that so we were playing at the same time
Yes, but they know how to create a game where you where you can do it like that
So I really struggled to work out how they couldn't just do not the same thing
But exactly what you're saying have the couch co-op but online but then is it because
We haven't got friends
Maybe this is why so how we played it. Okay as far as our ps5 was concerned
It was playing a game the whole time when I'm sat there watching you the console is playing it
Don't care who's who's it's got in its hands
so if you're now playing that online you're gonna have to switch between states of
That console is now watching the game being played on another console and with no input
Maybe that's more difficult than we're giving them credit. Can you see what I mean?
Like when you say when you play the other ones you're both playing at the same time
Your console is playing the whole time. Yeah, it's consoles playing the whole time
How difficult is it to make to constantly switch?
It would be constantly swapping and changing essentially a cutscene that is live
Because it's happening as mark is choosing to display that on your PlayStation
PlayStation with you having no input and if you think maybe they just thought that it would be a bit boring because
Sometimes one of us will play for 15 minutes. Yeah, you just be sad
Yeah, but they are able to because we've with any of the the the dark stuff
Even though you're playing the same game but playing different characters because when you play say the legs on the devil in me
I can't see what the other players do it. Yeah, you cannot see them. It's just your screen and what you are doing
Yeah, but obviously you can talk to the other person or whoever whoever you're playing with. Yeah, but in order to progress
That person would have to
Is affecting you? Yeah, so so my PlayStation
Knew what was going on with marks PlayStation because he could progress the story without my say so and it would fucking skip out half
You shit. Yeah, of course. No, that's not what I'm saying. So obviously it's the same in online
You know everything what I mean is it's about
You not playing
Yeah, if you think about it, what what what can you think of?
Where you're interacting with somebody else, but you're not doing anything. I
Can't think of one in every game like that. You're doing something too. Mm-hmm
Yeah, true, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I'm just maybe it was just too much
We were like, but it wasn't but it wasn't bad. I'll say that yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't
It I find it difficult
Oh
I'm so sorry. I'm having a refreshment
Your eyes in that
They're not too cold
Is that lemon lemon really nice I opened that this morning
That'll go dusty by the end of the bottle though. Yeah, can't wait
Coach your teeth
Fucking saying sorry, I said I said you said maybe that is the case
I was it was fun
It gave us the opportunity to
Play it together. Mm-hmm, which was good. One of the features. I really really like about it and
isn't in any of
the other supermassive games games is the
Ability you so there's always different paths. There's fucking loads in this one. There was what?
186 different
Ways you could do a fit the story fucking loads and
on
The devil in me little hope
Fucking all the other ones. I can't remember at the moment
It's the same. It's the same case. However, if you finish the game and
everyone survived
Is that me that is me
and everyone survived
You could go back and do another playthrough and then try and kill everyone
Fucking who is that?
Fucking tick tock
No way you can
Go back. You'd have to go back and do another playthrough and try and kill everyone again what the quarry did
Which was very cool and a lot less time-consuming is it gave you the option to watch that in the movie mode
so movie mode it had
everyone survives everyone dies and then custom and custom allowed you to go into each individual character and
Set preferences onto how they behave and what they do
so
It meant that if you wanted to see different outcomes of different sit of how the game played out
rather than having to play through it all again and do all the
Running around and stuff in between cutscenes. You could just watch a
Movie version of it, which was just all the cutscenes and all the stuff in between cutout which made it a lot
It made it a lot more entertaining to do that and it gave us more
Need to go back and watch it because that's what we did. We watched the everyone dies
Bit and that was like what two and a bit three hours
Oh, it was hell of my one my one gripe was that you couldn't like fast-forward and
So you could pause it but yeah, you couldn't you couldn't select chapters in it
You couldn't just cut to yeah such-and-such which I found quite annoying as well. Yeah
And I think you can't it was weird there was things that they did differently
Excuse me, I'm coughing that put them on like a better path if you will and then
It was a not it was a little bit annoying because I almost wanted to
There was points in watching the movie mode where I wanted to go right. Let me play it from here then
You know because because there was there's a particular
character where
Well, it's which one you think I'll focus about Caitlin. Oh, no
We'll get there but no essentially
Much like I mean, it's similar to
I'm sure I don't if you agree a lot of games like this
There is a like a moral an expected moral compass, you know that you're to have
Yeah, they push heavily towards doing the right thing
Yeah, and then like, you know, and it will say this will have consequences, you know those kind of things
Yeah, and it was interesting because
The way we had done it was there's this point where your stuff's locked in a cabin
And you can either break in or not. I need to cough my moment. I
Could hear that horrible like pre-coffing
Excuse me
You anyway
I've done my pre-coff
It's gross and we'd chosen to break in to get our stuff and and it
Didn't it wasn't till ages later
That a separate character. It's it meant that they could get to say
very big because we'd opened that cupboard, sorry that cabin and
Then we carry on and that that you know, everything happened as it happened
They were we watching the movie mode and this is on everyone dies mode
And she said no, I'm not breaking into that cabin and didn't do it
and then fast forward to the part where these characters need to hide and
They're now having to bash the door in yeah, because she never did it and it was like this is juicy
But what it actually did was we didn't think it was related
Did we at the time when we played through but basically because they bashed and made the noise
They still got in safe spoiler alert. They still got in safely
But actually when we played someone else got hurt because the thing that
Yeah, the thing that attacked him didn't attack him in this one because it had gone to the noise of the breaking the door down
Yeah, it was like blew my mind
Yeah, because we couldn't for the life of us figure out because essentially they there's like an infection and a new you have to try and like the characters are trying to fight it off and
Werewolves is everyone is basically yeah. Well, yeah, it was everyone was being turned into werewolves.
But um
Yeah, and we we didn't it was only at the end when it came up that essentially this person had been able to
Help at the end and we didn't have him because he'd become a werewolf
But we were like, how could we not have like we could not see how it was possible that didn't happen
Yeah, and it was as far back and as covered up as that like how many different things was incredible absolutely incredible
Yeah, but it's like Mark killed all of the um hackets
Who did we leave? We only left Travis
Travis? No Travis
And Bobby that was it Travis and Bobby and that's only because you didn't start if you just stabbed Bobby Chris had killed him
Yeah, Mark Mark killed Bobby by stabbing him. Yeah, and then he Mark killed Travis by not shooting Silas first
And refusing to shoot and basically you have a squabble with Travis
And then like he's trying to pull the gun away from you to kill Silas and you end up blowing his head off
And then I said, well, did you have to fight Silas after and he was like, no, you just get given the option to shoot Silas
So he shot Silas as well. So you can so he must have he must have been friendly enough with Travis that Travis didn't kill Laura
When she turned back
Yeah, yeah, that was another thing Manistah that you that you won't have seen. Yeah, Travis killing um,
Laura, it was awful stabs her in the face. It's the way the chest
So she turns back into a person and they're kind of like looking at each other
But it's the way that he kind of looks at her smiles nods
Yeah, and then he has this sort of a mirror in his hand. Yeah, and she just stabs the fuck out of her. It's horrendous
Blows Ryan's head off
Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah
Jesus Christ takes his skull off. Oh, it was unreal or even the mum
Mama Beckett, Hackett. Sorry
Whatever her name was Constance Constance when she got her face blown off
But it's like not her whole face just the front like on her face her eyes and shit fucking hell
It was a gory game man. Everyone got their heads cut off
Yeah, Abby getting her head ripped off. Jesus Christ fucking but they're
The werewolves in the game aren't your typical werewolves that you would think of
Especially the way they transform they shed all their skin. Yeah, well where where where you'd expect someone who turns into a werewolf?
Through like movies and books and stuff like that. They sort of like hair starts to sprout out of them
And they slowly like start to turn and and and form into a werewolf whereas no in the quarry is literally people start screaming
Like vis- visibly in excruciating pain and then they just explode all their skin comes exploding off
Blood goes everywhere and then they're just ten foot fucking werewolf. Yeah, and then when they transform back
They're all just covered in their own guts. Oh grim. Yeah
But a really cool way to put a unique spin on how someone transforms into a werewolf
They just they just blow up where they are and what I will say for the actual graphics of the whole thing
Good. Yeah, I
Immediately, I immediately recognized the actor. Yeah, like I knew it was him straight away
And then there was two other actors that I knew
And it was incredible. Like I went on
What's his name? Miles Robbins played Dylan
and
On the pause screen whoever you're playing currently in control of like their face is huge on the screen
And they're sort of like looking around it's quite cool pause menu. Yeah, quite dynamic and um, and I knew I was looking at him
And it's not perfect. Like their eyelashes are odd and sometimes I mean Emma's mouth
Her mouth was huge
Anyway, and but I'm looking at him and I called up a picture of him on Instagram and they had every single
Freckle freckle the veins in his eyes the wrinkles. Yeah, because it's incredible. It's all motion captured
Yeah, and very like detroit with the guy from grazing that yeah. Yeah, but the faces they just can't they cannot get them fucking faces
Correct, and I don't know how they can't do it when it's motion capture
Because I thought that would have made it a bit easier to actually capture the faces. I don't know but it yeah
Emma's mouth was just fucking huge
It took up like half her face when she'd speak. Yeah, yeah, so it was so fucking shit. So stupid
Um, and yeah, they were like Travis's eye when we first see yeah, I thought he was having a stroke
What the fuck is it? I couldn't I genuinely couldn't work out if it was part of his character
Yeah, that he'd like he's got something wrong with his face because it was just the right side of his face was just
Like melted ice cream. It was fucked
It just makes it a bit more funny to be fair. Yeah, but I mean I could sit and replay it now
Honestly, I could yeah, I think mark mark said he was gonna replay it
Because there's a couple of bits that because he he pointed out the fact that it gives you the option to go back
to various chapters and change your
Actions. Yes, but it affects your save game. Yes. Well, that's exactly what we did. We went back
We went back
Three times by the way, he said you're gonna do it three times. Oh, that's annoying. I think I think he's because so how we played it
Like when we like played it
genuinely
We
I killed emma, but she was getting on my head. So we were going along and then she's doing like a vlog
And anyway, she goes. Oh, it's incredible. Really really fucking good
She's like, um, oh, what was it? She could she was like I could look in these bags
Or I could open the hatch and read my like grizzly death and I was like, okay then open the hatch then and I was not
Expecting I kind of knew but I was not expect she's like, um, she barely even screams because he's like swiping her apart
She just grabs hold of her, rips her throat apart. Yeah, and so that was death one and Rita's really like mad
Um, you were like, oh my god, I'm gonna kill myself. I'm gonna kill myself
Rita's really like mad. Um, you weren't you weren't pleased. It's because we were keeping everyone alive
No, we weren't we were just playing and then uh, uh
And then yeah, but then you was like, oh we'll go back. We'll go back. No, that's not how we play this
We deal with the actions the consequences of what we do. Yeah, and um
And then what happened was the so I hadn't shot it was started off. It was very very focused on all the male
Characters, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and and they seem to be doing a lot of the you know, it was like
A girl picked up a stick and then the boys were playing like firing guns. Yeah. Okay
Not i'm not saying a gender thing at all. I'm just saying that that's factually what happened with the guns
Yeah, but she didn't fight. No, she was a cutscene though. She wasn't a playable character
You know what I mean? And that's that's what that's what i'm saying
The boys were doing the main reason was what happened fucking later on
I know but if had I had practice on a fucking watermelon, maybe I could have saved me own bacon
Couldn't I I told mark about it and he was like, how did she fuck it up? No because I hadn't
I essentially I over corrected but you had massively you went from left all the way to right
No, you had yeah, I've got it saved. It was like two seconds
Yeah, yeah about two or three seconds to make a split to shoot a fucking massive werewolf with a shotgun. Oh
I also I wasn't well i'll give you that
Anyway, um
Yeah, and then you just like ripped apart so so she died as well
Um, why was I saying this?
Oh anyway, yeah, and then we went back the only thing we've so far replayed other than the movie mode is
Went back and I wanted reese to do it and he did and you did you did admit it was very difficult
You said to me you went no that was hard. It was difficult, but I still did it barely. I did it though barely
But it doesn't matter anyway, but then what we thought was a shot was play on till the end
But didn't shoot sylas
sylas and
my boy, um
and
So yeah, we didn't shoot him and he just rips everyone's heads off
Yeah, I weren't expecting this so there's seconds travis
Ryan and laura and laura
Um with with sylas
I know that a lot of people listeners won't have a fucking clue a lot of people have already turned off. I imagine
But sylas if you're still listening sylas is the reason why everyone's turned into a werewolf. He's like og
Werewolf number one. Yeah
Which is why everyone is why we're trying to kill him to rid us of this curse
and
I was not expecting him to be that brutal with everyone that was standing around him because
you had the option to shoot him and
I took the shots but purposely missed and that still backfired because our mum still give us the fucking cold shoulder after
um, and yeah, he just springs up in his werewolf form and
Straight away bang there goes laura's head straight off
And then there goes and then and then travis as well just gone
Oh, well, I don't know straight for the heads. It was laura and travis's head and then um, ryan was already down
That's what I want to look at because it happened so quick
But yeah rohova ryan's jaw was missing there, but I don't know how he did it. I don't know how he killed him
I think he sliced it. I think he like
Hit it with his hand
Ripped his jaw off and then he still he was still alive wouldn't he and then he jumped on it when fucking
I mean ripped in the shreds special mention to the blood that spurts out of laura's eyeball when he
Smashing that's disgusting. That is disgusting
And it really as it should be it weren't a scary game though
Normally with these types of games, there's more jump scares and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Said this to mark this morning
And he agreed wouldn't have paid 60 quid for it
Which is a full which it was the original price for it
No 35 it was marks limit and i'd agree with him 35 quid I would have gone. Yeah, fuck it 35 quid
Um, obviously we got it for 21
um
But I don't know where they were getting that price tag from
60 quid just seemed like too much for that type of game because it was only I don't think it was long enough
We did it in eight hours. Yeah, it weren't it weren't a long game
Yeah, it's a good game, but not a long game. I mean unless they're they're saying accounting for like, you know
you can replay it and it would be a different game, but
Well, then i'm
No, I don't necessarily think that price point's correct
So that was the quarry that was the quarry indeed that was very fun
Did you you brought up about hogwarts legacy last time didn't you with the absolute?
Heathens
And the late release on the switch and stuff. I remember you guys talking about that last
Yeah, but obviously we haven't had a nintendo switch
Uh fanatics opinion on on hogwarts legacy raging hogwarts legacy again
If you haven't heard if you didn't listen, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
um
hogwarts legacy is
massively delayed
on the nintendo switch the xbox
One and the ps4 but the nintendo switch has got it real fucking rough
so for
I think for the xbox one and the ps4 it doesn't release until april april and then for the nintendo switch. It's july
There's no point playing it on the switch
Can you it'll be done it'll be done. I have all three. Yep. And so, uh
Uh warner brothers said that the reason behind these delays is because they are um
Um trying to figure out how they can get hogwarts legacy to play on all platforms
because obviously the
hardware capabilities between the xbox series x and the ps5 compared to its um
predecessors and the nintendo switch is fucking leaps and bounds
So there's obviously a lot of work that has to go in
um for ps4 games to be on the ps5 and vice versa
Um, and it's just the the nintendo switch has really got the rough end of the stick here because obviously that's a completely different
Um beast and like ash pointed out they have to figure out a way for to be able to dock it
And then take it off and make that a smooth transition from telly to switch which I never thought about before
Because obviously that must take that must take some fucking work because it has to be instant
And exactly it has to be as smooth as possible. Otherwise, otherwise, i'd imagine you really fucking notice it
It's a well-known fact that you you know that you kind of accept a drop in performance dropping frame rate that that's that's always been there
They've never hidden that they've never hidden that but not a massive delay like that. Fuck me
it's a big ask for up for
a game of of
What seems to be that size? You know, it's um, and this is where this is where me and ash had the conversation about
Is this not a point where maybe nintendo need to look at the switch and go maybe we do need a pro version a more a more
beefed up version because you can't
Your this is the type so the the um
What the requirements are for hogwarts legacy what it demands
That
Is going to be the norm for a lot of new games a hell of a lot of new games
Especially games that are running on unreal engine 5
so
Either you you deal with delays for nintendo switch or nintendo does something to beef up the switch so that you don't have to delay it
Sometimes it just can't happen yet
It just can't happen yet. If you think like there's computers that exist
that are
So incredibly incredibly fast, but they cannot
exist yet
Because they are too hot
To be you know, they they're sat and it will be a computer that would fit on that desk, but it needs a room
This size just to cool it down to stop the components exploding before they you know, because they cannot process
They don't have the the physical materials to make something that can withstand that so with the switch you have to
think about
For that thing to be more powerful
But also be handheld so it's light enough. It doesn't it's not to get hot
It needs ventilation
You know you you can't if you think how many times you walked in i'm sitting that and i'm resting it on my tummy
I'm playing it like that. Well, if it's more beefy and it needs three more vents and they're on the bottom
Well, okay. Well, you can't be sitting playing like that no more. Yeah, you know, and I think there's there's there's
You got to think about how
How capable how available?
Well shit look at the ps5 and you know, they made that thing where it basically
They couldn't mine the component to
Do it couldn't they whatever it was it was like they'd run out of the stuff and it's only available every
Power of many years. Yeah
Yeah
Absolutely data mining and shit like that, isn't it?
You know, and that's that's a big I imagine that was a very very steep learning curve for sony
You know, so I don't know. I wonder is it something like that where they just either they're not willing because at the end of the day
They're selling well as they are
But this is what is it is it a material based thing or you know
They've made a lot of improvement with oled but clearly not enough
They kind of obviously just focused on the screen but companies like this
So so massive companies samsung apple nintendo sony
Microsoft they these these aren't companies. They're fucking thinking 10 15 20 years into the future
They have they will have entire buildings of people who is their job
Is to is to make sure that this company survives
Far into the future for as long as possible. That is their job. So
Nintendo being as fucking huge as they are
arguably the biggest
Must have an idea of what the future holds for them and for the nintendo switch
They have to they can't there's no way in hell that a company is incredible with nintendo are
Have something like the nintendo switch
And are just going oh, this is quite cool. This is good. How it is now
They will definitely have plans in in for the future. Yeah, but you need to be careful because ultimately not you personally
I'll be careful. You need to be careful. Yeah. No, no
Um, no, but you know mr. Nintendo or mrs. Um
You know
The the we you as I think i've said even before on here never mind to you
The we you
Should have been you know, it it tanked it nearly took them under
But all the way you is I don't think i've even ever fucking seen what it looks like
It looks like a switch with joy cons. You can't attach in a smaller screen and a bit more clunky
And all you can and the whole like the advert for I mean, I never had one
But the advert for it
The adverts for it
Was a kid is playing on the telly as we all used to and then the dad comes in and wants to watch the telly
And it rather than the kid being upset
He just takes up the pad
And changes the thingy and he's playing his game on the game pad
And the dad's watching the telly so he's playing the we
The dad is watching the telly and it was essentially like a
You know
A baby version a dumbed down a more simple and and clunky version of what became the switch the genesis
But it almost took them under you know everyone no if someone even remembers the we you it was either
Oh shit, or oh, I never had one, you know, and and that's something where
I feel like their innovation and their willingness to just completely change it up and throw something crazy and new out
It almost took them under
You know, it could have you know, it could have done um
Because like it was it was it timing was it just the idea wasn't refined enough, but there must be there there must be
Something in the works. How long has the switch been out for?
2017 so it's quite it's it's a long time, but it's not a long time at the same time. That makes sense
It'll be it'll be six years in march. Yeah, so there and
And the nintendo switch up until rather recently didn't have a competitor
Did it really in terms of handheld console there have also been two, you know, they've not released nothing
You had the switch then you had an improved battery life switch then you had the switch light and then you switch oled
They've not done nothing. No, no, no, no, no, they are they're pumping out new consoles
It's just not what you're necessarily doing. It's not what you're doing
No, no, no, no, they are they're pumping out new consoles. It's just not what you're necessarily after
Yeah, that's that and that's the thing that that I um
Would work because I think
There's obviously there's a stigma and because marx in the it was or is but he obviously his missus has one
in the market for a switch and
He said to himself and I had the exact same viewpoint until I until I met you in that he thought that the nintendo switch
Which it didn't have the same type of games you could get on a on a playstation which a lot of people I think fall
in in in that pit because when you think of nintendo you don't think of red dead or fucking
Um elden ring elden ring's not on the switch. Is it no no, um skyrim shit like that
You know, I mean, you don't you don't think of the nintendo switch of as having those types of games you think of
Of my fucking kobe and mario, you know the tip appreciate that but yeah, no, but you do you think of the typical nintendo
the your time
um
They're not they're not my cup of tea. So
I apologize, but then have you ever played them?
No, no, but i'm not going to um because you might enjoy them and then that will destabilize your whole
It will destabilize your entire snobby. So what i'm saying is if nintendo want to
try and
Make it so that people view the switch as another console
Compared to all the other consoles out there. They have to be able to have to allow that console
to
Not only have but be be capable of running at a fairly decent rate
A lot of games that are on the xbox and the playstation. Why are you trying to make it fit to be like the others?
I'm not
But but neither are they
It would seem are they not at the end of the day
The fact that I can
So, you know when we went away the other week, I took that with me
And I needn't have plugged it into the telly. I did because I could yeah
but
I will take
Having a game be they've not said they're not at the end of the day someone somewhere. Well a lot of someones and a lot of somewares
thought
and and are still continuing
To put a game like hogwarts legacy on that console. It's just a bit longer. Yeah might be more buggy, but I will take that
Over the innovation of the switch which you you you have admitted is incredible
Like it doesn't need
to
It doesn't need to keep up with them in the same way
It doesn't but you just doesn't your your reaction to hogwarts legacy being delayed until july got to the switch fucking annoying
Like you say gutted. Yeah, so how many games do you have to have that you're really interested in and looking forward to?
That have the exact same exact same delays because they have to try and figure out how to put it on a switch because you
can sit here now
and say that you would take the
Innovation of a switch and and deal with the delays but you and I know very well
That and will be included in it, too the
gamer
The gamer player base the people that we are the nerds that we are
Don't do well with delays
And you you wouldn't and I could i'll probably talk an absolute bullshit
It's probably the only game on the switch that will be delayed this heavily
So this might be an absolutely invalid point, but let's say hypothetically that it isn't
and every
Newer generation game that comes out that's also going to be ported onto the switch
has a fucking
Half two-thirds of a year delay compared to everyone else
You'll you'll only put up with that for so long because it isn't fair
It's not fair that you have to wait till july
Because how are you going to avoid spoilers and any of that shit you you don't because i've got a ps5. Yeah, we have a ps5
Well, it's mine mine is yours. I'll be ridiculous mine
Um, but right but but if I if I wasn't here you wouldn't be able to play it till july
No, and that's what i'm saying
if every game like that you had to
You had to wait that long
Eventually, you're not going to be happy about doing that are you right?
But and then you'd move on to a steam deck on the one hand
Yeah, but is hogwarts legacy on the steam deck
I think so. Yeah
I don't think it is
is it on
I'm gonna have to do a quick google. You will have to do a quick google, but ultimately
I don't personally think it's that deep
Because you do at the end of the day nintendo has a lot of exclusives
it is mostly catered to
You know, it's it's
I just don't think that that it's not
My brain has just completely like floated away has not been confirmed for the steam deck yet. Oh, there you go
Probably because they run into the same issues as what switch does you cannot expect?
it's like
You know fucking it's like having heelies and a bicycle, you know or a bike and a car
You know, yes. Okay. I'm not going to be able to cycle
to
You know
glasgow
but
I can
Take that bike on a train
Do you know what I mean? Like I can't take my car on a train to glasgow if I want to go to glasgow my car
I've got to drive the whole way there. But if I want you know, I mean something like that like with the switch
Yes, it is
nowhere near
The hardware capabilities of the playstation 5 but I can't put my playstation 5 in my handbag. No, I know but
Where's the change?
What do you mean? Well where where so?
the
The innovation of it the uniqueness of it
Can surely only last for so long. You can't just as a nintendo switch owner
Nintendo can't just rely on you being happy because this is the only console in the world that can do this forever
No, but it's they got to do something. Yeah, but you're ignoring
You're you're actively ignoring all of the games that are built for the switch
No, I'm not ignoring the game. What I'm saying is they are always coming out with new titles. Yeah, you don't just have to wait
for
For one or two at the end of day hogwalk's legacy
End of day hogwalk's legacy as my knowledge is one of the only ones but wouldn't it be nice
If you if every game for the nintendo switch could also run better
But it's not it's not noticeably bad
Some of them are like the latest pokemon looks fucking awful. Um
Dreamlike valley always crashing always having frames frame issues. No, not always. Yes. I fucking watched it
Not always there are some like of course 60 hours into that game and it's not there's games on the switch
that run lower performance than than
Then you know, you and I have had this conversation before
But pointing at you now you're having this conversation before where you admit
That all the people that were like, oh god, I couldn't play it because the grass was jottery, you know, you go
No, that's bullshit. I don't notice shit like that. Yeah, no, no, no, you don't no, you don't most people don't so it's not that deep
But you can't in a world of of of electronics
Gaming electronics is ever ever ever expanding our grade makes you think that they aren't doing something
At the end of the day because there's nothing in the fucking pipeline. There's no leaks. There's no nothing. Is there a ps6 leak?
Everyone knows there's going to be a ps6
So you think that nintendo have gone, uh
Never mind. That's done with now. We don't need to make anything else new. Of course
They're working on something. Maybe they're just
After five years coming up six. Oh my god, brov. Oh my god
There's literally been two consoles since my son there's been there has been the switch light. There has been the switch oled
They got rid of the joycons. They changed the screen. They beefed up the battery. Okay, what else what what else the screen is now?
Oh lead. Yeah, they changed the screen
They got rid of the joycons on one of them made it more hand better
It is more capable system and then they got a bigger battery for it. What do you want from them?
What do you want from that? You made the cat jump down off my lap now. It's a hardware in it
Yeah, what better hardware in it after five years. Oh sweet
sweet
Nibblets. Oh wow
And everyone thought it was just me and ash that argued
Well, yeah, because when you're just being insufferable, it's not insufferable. It's a debate. It's a conversation
Yeah, an insufferable one because I just know I don't I don't know
No, I don't understand why you don't have a want for the switch to be upgraded
Of course I do. Of course I do. You're not acting like you do
Of course I do but you're ultimately I can't think there's a point of which you're asking too much
What do you mean asking too much? Why there has been it's literally one game
Yes, there's been other games that have been delayed but i'm talking about the you know, it's taking hogwarts legacy as an example whereby
The you know the new next gen whatever you want to fucking whoever calls and whatever
Having it in february
And then previous is having it in april and the switch is july
Ashes probably bang on it could very very well be something to do with the fact of docking versus undocking. But again
So if if they are struggling to accommodate for the ability to take a home console and make it a handheld
fine
Because it's it's it's something that
Like I say you you so elden ring
Elden ring and obviously yes, that wasn't on the switch a big boy understandably, but if I could tell you
Wait two months three months four months, whatever it is, you know, and you could have had that experience
So you wouldn't have had to sit there and wait all day thinking god. I can't wait to get home and play
I really want to get home and play it
I wish I could play it right now because you would have it in your hands and you could be playing it
You know now what do you mean?
Well steam deck
You know, you don't own a steam deck
So you can't do that now because you don't own a steam deck
Do you no, right? Yeah. No, thank you
But you see I mean or even wow or something. I mean you cannot you cannot expect
or rather
Shouldn't be trying to
Force it to fit or like super keep up straight away, you know, like be on par with a ps5
And ultimately four months really isn't that deep?
It isn't that deep. I will play it on the playstation 5 because I can if I couldn't I wouldn't and I'd just wait
Maybe I won't buy it anymore
Right, but you see what I mean? It's really the fact that you know, you mean it's like you
The fact that it's actually going to be able to play it
Is incredible in itself because yeah, it's very cool. It is not
anywhere near
the same capabilities
But it's not for a console that is five years old four months behind one. That's only a year isn't bad
Well, it's not going to look exactly the same
Can you come back now ash
Please look
I didn't go to the 1975 gig tonight for you. I could have had two tickets this morning
What do you mean for me? How much? How much?
I could have had two tickets this morning 40 quid each
And who was you going to go with?
Well, I was hoping you'd come with me
But I didn't because I knew I was like no
What the pod is important. Yeah
What time was the gig?
Well, they'll be on at nine. Absolutely not where
Where the 02? Greenwich
Absolutely not. Oh, please. Have you no soul. But anyway, I didn't do it
I didn't do it because out of respect and love for you and you like doing the podcast as well
I know if you hadn't come just off then I would have said I literally was just said for the podcast as well
I'll put your eyes back in your head
Yeah, no, I want to say I usually enjoy doing the podcast no you enjoy this right now this is this is a
wholesome healthy debate
I just feel to me like you're just picking on nintendo. I'm not picking on nintendo
It does feel to me this way picking on nintendo
But nintendo is the one that's behind everyone else
But they're also in front aren't they? Of course they are aren't they? Yes
I'm just i'm just very aware of the fact that in order to get to 100 you need one game
I one game that they're slightly delayed on exactly. It's one game now
I'm just saying be be somewhat prepared. I can't believe it may happen again
I can't believe and we have it literally recorded you essentially just accused them
Of not working on something else. You honestly think they're not working on something else
No, I was I asked you the question. Do you think that they are working on something else?
When was the ps4 released?
I can't remember what was the gap of time between the ps4 and the ps5 and don't you be saying about the pro?
They filled it with a pro
No, because at the end of the day there's been two two further iterations of the switch way more beefy than the ps4
Right, not the point still said ps4 didn't it? Yeah, but it was a pro. No, I want it was a beefed up version
You can have the nintendo switch. What i'm saying is
When was the ps4 released? Pardon me years ago
Oh my phone's on silent. Hang on. Oh, i'll ask him again
When was the ps4 released?
PlayStation 4 was the 15th of november 2013. Okay. Jesus christ is that when was the ps5 released?
I found this on the web
Uh, oh he doesn't why don't you just answer the question i've answered the question before ask it about the pro
When did that come out?
Uh, did it came out in november 12 2020 so seven years
PS4 pro, let's have a look gab keeps ringing me. Oh fancy that manister gab's ringing me now release date
Silence november 10th 2016. There you go
Right years. They brought our beefed up version
Nice, isn't that good? Sorry, but it just wasn't isn't that great. That's good. It's not the next thing though, is it?
Seven years so nintendo i've got another three. I'm not saying that nintendo have to do the next thing
I'm saying it would just be no, but you essentially just said that they weren't doing anything. Let's put this to bed
I'll put you to bed. I like thank you. I like nintendo bloody bloody bloody no you don't just admit that you don't
I do like nintendo. I do it was just never my choice when I was a kid so therefore as an adult
You slag the living daylights out of them. No, you come on here pretend to be all nice, but I know
You don't like them. I slag fifa and I slag xbox, but even then xbox is warm to me. Um
It was just because I never really fucked around with nintendo as a kid
So it was always a playstation. You had a ds. I had a ds but that's as far as it went and I had a wii
And then but that was as far as it went though
so
It would have been different different um story if I was thrown into nintendo, but I just wasn't so I just think it would be nice
if they um
Brought out a
Better switch. Yes, it would be nice. It would be nice for the player base
To have to have a more powerful switch
With a longer battery life
Yes
I'm just looking at
Has there been any leaks
Well, I think when we when we when we went away switch console were given out at some point they said 2025 2024
But yeah, no go on because there was the rumors of the switch pro and then it was put to bed by nintendo
And they said they would not be doing anything until
It was either 24 25. Yeah
So it says here
Different ports it currently features a custom nvidia tegra processor
A 720p lcd display and 32 gig of storage most recent refresh happening in august 19 to bump up the battery life
Taking it from 6.5 to 9 hours of game time
We tested the upgrade using super smash brothers and found the amount of game time we were able to fit in before we needed to recharge
had doubled
The switch pro tipped to offer a 4k output in some form of docked mode
Form of docked mode likely when docked the switch pro. This is obviously guessing. This is a report from bloomberg
The switch pro will have some form of coprocessor to up mix a 1080p video feed into a 4k output
Furthermore a newer probe into switch firmware revealed the line 4k dp under preferred under over under
USB 30 that could indicate the potential for a 4k output over a display port over usb 3.0. It's very cool
11 developers are in possession of 4k tool kits supplied by nintendo
Strongly implying that nintendo is at least thinking about releasing a switch that can output in 4k
Although nintendo did release uh quickly release a statement denying the accuracy of the report because why wouldn't you you know
You're protecting your yeah, you do breeze
um
The oled display
How old is this article is it's talking about oled
It's like well, yeah, it does have a fucking oled
Or maybe reading a really out there, but you know, I see what i'm like perhaps they're just controlling
The you know the quite possibly and I hope that is the case i've bored you now
No
I'm just quenching the thirst of the argument
The debate yes, will we ever get a switch pro?
Um while it never materialized rumors of a 4k switch won't go away after the switch oled last year
Everyone's been waiting baited breath the next upgrade despite the sizable upgrades. It's been five years
Um
Well, there will be there will be there has to be otherwise it dies simple as that bang on you're right
And I appreciate that I do appreciate what you're saying. I do appreciate what you're saying and that is how adults argue
You always resolve
Yeah, oh god, yeah, so much comfort so much more comfy doing it in here
We're welcome to do it here. No, I don't think ash would go for it. The dog would rip his fucking legs off as well
That was entertaining
um
God, we literally need to really argue. Yeah. Yeah, that's about summed up pretty much. Yeah, i'm embarrassed. Why don't know
That's embarrassed. There's only like 10 people that are gonna hear it. That's true
Hi everybody
Hi, that's great in it. We've got um
Uh, we've got our exclusive episode that we've got to do as well. Yeah, we've promised not to argue
Um, I might release this now why?
Well, that's a little treat. No, you don't reckon no if you're hearing this
Friday morning
I suppose I could schedule it to release for friday morning
Oh cats on your drawer
um
But we'll fucking leave it there then hey
Yeah, Steph's done a stellar job at filling in again. It's fantastic. Thanks as always um
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Yeah, yeah, it was just the one where it was me and ash. She said it was absolute shit
Well, I think this one this wasn't our best. No, this was the best one. We're ever gonna have you reckon no
No
No, I just want to apologize. I just want to put an apology. Why why?
I don't know. We're put a clickbait title on
We have a massive argument that she storms out
Yeah
No, it's good people love it when other people argue they sit on the sidelines
And they get to listen. It's fantastic. That's why they love it. That's why fucking everyone wants me to do carry on
That's why they want us to carry on doing the quizzes. Oh, maybe we'll do a quiz for the exclusive episode because I get so fucking irate about it
Let's do a quiz for the exclusive episode. If you want to hear the quiz. We've now pay walled it. Yeah
No other people listening that wanted to have a quiz you go give me some money and you can hear this quiz
Yeah
Excellent. Yeah. All right. Well
Um, we're gonna go. I really really need to have a wee that was that cup of tea. Um
Thanks for listening everyone if you're still here if you're still here if you didn't switch off because we were fucking arguing
Um, we'll catch you next time catch you next week. Enjoy your weekends and all that bullshit. See you later. Uruh