I'm not gonna read it out fuck all please
Have you started yeah, hello
This is what's the buttons
We're finally here as you can tell there's a different voice on the podcast
Ashes is struggling with his night shift where he's not struggling. It's just it's too much for him to wake up and come over here and
Last week I sort of said that my my lovely girlfriend Steph would have stepped in
What you put in a face?
Said that she would have stepped in and I said well, we didn't do it last week, but this week
Yeah
Steph is stepping in for ashes place
Let me say no
No, it's just your your your podcast race. I'm podcast race. I'm different
So yeah, Steph is with us. It's a bit late. We've had a busy day. I got caught watching the football
If you don't know what you know Brazil was now out lost to Croatian penalties. So that's exciting and
Yeah, what's the time we're recording this at?
Quarter past 7 in the evening
So we'll finish up here and we'll we'll get it out to the masses
This is so weird because normally ash sends me a list of things that we talk about
It's normally him that does it all
But you told me earlier that you had a list
I did but I didn't send it
I remember what's on it. I remember what normally we thank the patrons. Thank you. Thank you all of that type of stuff
I'm actually already a patron. Yes. Thanks to myself. Thanks to you. Yeah
We have a bit of news, unfortunately ash isn't here, but I'm sure he won't mind us
divulging on the information, so
You'll remember last episode. I spoke to ash about a proposal that I sent to him
Involving the patreon
It's he signed off on it now. So we're free to do it
Basically, what we're gonna do is for I think it's either four quid or five quid. We're gonna add another tier and
What we'll do is every week at the end of the podcast
We will record another half hour 40 odd minutes, however long
Dedicated to a game that we're into for that week. So for example, daisy
We'll throw half an hour's worth of of a podcast talking about that and various different bits of that
And then we'll change the game as we go throughout the weeks and and that type of shit
Where was I going with this? So yeah, that will be that will be available next week. I think
Maybe so for four four five quid the people who are already paying the big bucks
We'll have access to that straight away and
Yeah, I'd imagine so I fucking hope so it should be there's people that are giving us like a tenner a month
So they should they should you should get Sam Parks. You should get access to this man
So it's sort of it was our way to to get another tier out and give you some extra content
Give you some actual value for money
So it works out. What is that an extra two hours a month?
Maybe even more of extra content for four quid or five or haven't quite figured out the price and what we'll go with yet
So, yeah, look forward to that like I say, we'll have that out next week
But for today, um, me and Steph are gonna talk some shit
We sort of we sort of shooting in the dark here
But I've come up with a couple of things that we could talk about because conveniently yesterday
It was the game of the year awards and what I was gonna do is I was gonna read out the list of the things that won
various different
Awards and we can go off of that. Um, it's got to find the list now, and I
It's very poor very very very poor here we go, I've got the full list honestly, it doesn't surprise me
Yeah, this is how it normally works
Everyone as we spend a lot of the podcast sitting there flicking through. No, what this is gonna do is really reveal how much ash
Actually plan contributes to this podcast. You're just a roll. You're one of life's go with the flowers. Yeah, I think is it working
What do you mean? I think it's working. Yeah, just fucking no planning here. So we got game of the year
It was Elden Ring. I thought you meant your life
I was like, yeah, you're 25. No, no, no, no, no
Just the podcast
Rolling through life. So game of the year was Elden Ring was the winner on that one
So, um, a lot of people thought it was gonna be God of War Ragnarok
I believe ash thought it was gonna be God of War Ragnarok. I think you did. Yeah mark thought it was gonna be God of War
I actually said Elden Ring. I was hoping stray honestly
Yeah, I was on there expecting Elden Ring. So you had a Plague Tale Requiem
Elden Ring God of War Ragnarok Horizon Forbidden West stray and Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and sort of when that when those
Titles were announced as nominees
Everyone including myself went right was it's either Elden Ring or God of War
It's gonna be one of those two and I believe we had a conversation about it before
when they first announced them and you come up with the full process of
Well, obviously Elden Ring has a much bigger audience than God of War in terms of playability
Because obviously God of War is just segregated to PlayStation players. Obviously God of War Ragnarok. I know God of War is on pc
So maybe that had a hand maybe the the fact of God of War released obviously in the latter half of of this year
Yeah, so maybe that had a hand
When I was talking to Meg about it her she literally the first thing she said she went oh, is it? Yeah the the
What did she call him? I don't know what she called it like that bald man or whatever she said
But she she's got it for him for Christmas
So, you know, he he couldn't buy it if he tried and that's someone who massively loved the first one. Yeah
And yet his opinion won't you know, his hat won't be in the room
Until until the new year because he's just because he played Elden Ring then, you know, or is he not?
Possibly couldn't tell you see I think
It's so difficult having played both of them because obviously Elden Ring was my first
Soulsborne game that I properly got into because obviously I played Bloodborne, but I couldn't I was just shit it
I was so bad. So it
Obviously, you know me once I get annoyed or something very easily lose interest
and
So Elden Ring was such a
a breakthrough game for myself
And you'll know I was fucking obsessed with the game. Yeah spent so
much time on it to the point where like
It was really weird to like Ash was the person that was teaching me how to play the game
and then I obviously through the students of
Yeah, not not for access, but it's just because I have like 10 times the amount of fucking
Available time to put into gaming than he has
So I think I I quickly took over
And
Just started smashing out the bosses and and I got so into it. So
I found Elden Ring was a great game
I got so into it. So I found Elden Ring this amazing
masterpiece of a game that I think
Will go down in history. You'll be talking about it in in decades to come because it was just so
Groundbreaking and and and incredible because there was so many people that started playing that game who had never touched a Soulsborne game before
and I think the open world esque
Um state of that game is what sort of like shoved people into that. Yeah, and I think it was very much
I mean having only pretty much watched you play it but at the same time
Oh for context i'm an avid lover of watching people play games and like it works very well in my favor
Yeah, I feel like i've played them like I think because of the way
Growing up watching my siblings play stuff. Yeah, I like i'm i'm not i'm kind of like a backseat player in a hopefully not
Annoying way because what we've got we've got detroit becomes human you sat there and watched me play that through the entire thing
We got the last first part too, which I actually felt bad because I played like an hour of it
And you weren't with me and we weren't living together at the time were we so I was then waiting
Was this when you were seeing me like twice a week once or twice a week? I want to say covid was happening
Maybe yeah, so I so I then I then waited
Um every single time to to play it with stef
So you got so detroit the last of us
Elden ring god of war ragnarok
You also sat and watched majority of that with me
He played it all tough and was like i'm not gonna wait for you and then he did yeah
But no of elden ring I think that it was
It felt like familiar but at the same time unique and new it was like a format that you recognize and and that you enjoy but
Quite innovative and like I loved the weird like player you could leave a message
And it was like they could be deceiving you. I thought that was really cool
um
and yeah, but I do agree I think you've definitely spoken about it on an earlier podcast, but
it's
I suppose
To like I feel like kind of it didn't feel like it was going to be a one and done
But in a way it has been there has been yeah
You can't you haven't gone back to it. No, it felt like it was going to be that kind of
potentially
Perpetual adding new stuff. I think there's bringing you back and it kind of hasn't been so they released an update on
Uh, what's the date today the ninth? Is it the ninth today? Yeah, so on the seventh they released a free update
that allowed um, basically
Like coliseums and you could go there and it was multiplayer so you could go there and you could battle other other players
Doesn't that already exist in a way? Well, you had it you had to someone
Yeah, you had invading which which you you?
Yeah, you would you would invade someone's world and you'd have to try and find them and then battle it out
Or you could invite someone to invade you
whereas this is sort of like um
A bit more set up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
So they they did that I think
I think because as always says, um
obviously, um
From software. They're so their dlc is so incredible because i'm not massive into from software games
Um, and ash is always saying how incredible their dlc's are and it's like when elden ring will when they released a dlc for elden ring
It's going to be fucking spectacular for me
I think they left it far too long to start releasing stuff because there was so much hype around that game for so fucking long
For basically the first half of the year. They should have been trying to pump something out
So it sort of fell off a bit but I agree with you. It was that game where I think there's potential to go back to it
Because there's so much shit there. I'll guarantee there's still shit there that people haven't discovered yet and all the different builds obviously
Me with the way that I game I found one build that I really liked and did not stray from that build
I just made it stronger and stronger and that was the strength tier the strength build with the mimic tier
Simple as that two big massive fucking swords and that was it and that's how I like to play it. Yeah. Um, but
Yeah, it was definitely one of those games and people are still playing it and trying out different builds and doing different shit
Because stuff is being added. It's just in terms of actual dlc
There's there's been nothing. Yeah. Well and so this new update is that going to bring you back to it?
No, no, no, but then does that at the same time? I think that we have both had
so many games that
It it almost doesn't matter that you're never going to pick that game up again, or you know, it's on a console
You don't even own anymore
But it stays with you. I mean jesus we're looking at there was a hit and run
We were just reminiscing about that yesterday and it was just someone on tiktok live playing it and
You're instantly you're back
But look at the last of us. I'm not going to go back to that
No, but would you agree that that was more of a like a
Linear, you know that was that was a story with a definite conclusion now
Yeah, it could be that I only saw parts of elden ring that I don't necessarily feel that same
Feeling of it being over, you know, there was no sort of walk into the sunset
I've completed my quest kind of vibe with yeah
I mean there were different endings to elden ring and obviously I went to game plus
Nine, I think so I did nine playthroughs
Jesus because the part of the first play well the first playthrough took me
Was like 40 something hours to do it. Yeah. Yeah, I was gone. I didn't see you
It was literally come home. Hi kiss. See you later. Yeah
Um, but obviously the the second playthrough I did it in like four hours
Because I because I just went to just beeline the bosses because obviously you retain. Yeah, you retain your level and all of that
So they progressively got quicker and quicker and quicker
so it it was definitely like definite definite endings
But not to the same style of something like the last of us the replayability is there in elden ring
Whereas obviously the last of us is well, it's it's story driven and that's it
Am I right that there was you could have like killed abby
You could have let her live there were no you couldn't kill abby. No, no, no
No, the the ending was when you was ellie and you were and you were strangled and I remember I sat there and I was
I was playing as ellie and I was going I dropped let I put my controller down didn't I?
I don't want to hit abby. I want to leave her alone. Yeah
Um, but no you couldn't you couldn't because it ended with them basically trying to choke each other out
Yeah, and then they stopped fighting and then she ellie like they both went fuck this. I've had enough
Yeah, and then ellie went back and she was like, oh my god. I'm gonna kill her
And then ellie like they both went fuck this. I've had enough. Yeah, and then ellie went back to her house and um, she's gone
Her girlfriend's gone. I can't I can't remember her name. Um apologies
Um, because that was one of the things a lot of people were complaining about because they were like you've gone through like a 40 hour campaign
Yeah, you've got the last of us part one as well
so you've got like
Like 80 hours worth of content possibly even more preaching on the 90 maybe 100 hours
and it all boiled down to
Let's both walk away
Yeah, but I love the ending I was all over it because I looked at it way more deeply than that
I looked at it. I think how it was intended to be looked at I thought it was incredible because you're you're forced to
Realize that you you know that they make you see the first game from a completely different perspective
Yeah, where all she sees Joel as is the bloke who killed her dad and stole the thing that was going to help them cure
When we saw when we saw Abby smack the shit out of Joel with that that golf club fuming. Yeah, fucking fuming
But then when I see the fact that Joel shot her dad in the chest because he was trying to save the world
Yeah, it put such a big spin in it. I was like, what the fuck I didn't know that
Yeah, and that feeling that you have like
With with Joel saving Ellie. Mm-hmm, but then you do kind of have to think that
Of course the person who is you know, the people who are closest to that that person, you know to Ellie
Are gonna want to save her but then you know looking at the cold sort of science perspective
It's one life for for thousands tens of thousands hundreds of thousands whatever
Um, no, I thought that was very clever very clever and again making you players Abby when she walked back and the
Again terrible with names
But her you know
The dear the guy that she was fucking pardon
I was gonna say I was gonna say the fella that she liked
Um, but yes, uh, you know and then the woman who was pregnant and they'd like just finally become friends again
And then she finds her dad. Oh my god. You see Ellie as an asshole
Yeah, I hated Ellie towards the end. Like right at the end. I was like this girl's a bitch
She's a fucking bitch. But no, I thought that was because that I think took
An element of sort of like bravery, which again as we know a lot of people have
You know, I hate it. I don't like it which you're entitled to
But I thought it was quite a brave
They're not though are they fuck them because they've got their opinion wrong
We've gone way off of topic here
And we've covered we've covered the last of us before people know where I stand on it
I think I think the game and community as a whole got butthurt because you had to play predominantly as a female character
For most of the game. I think people got annoyed by that. I think they can go fuck themselves. I thought it was an incredible game
um
Probably leave it there get back to game of the year
Um, so
uh
This ties in well with the other thing in that god of war ragnarok was
review bombed before
um
The game of the year awards and so basically everyone on people on metacritic
Uh were giving god of war a zero out of ten
I'd imagine in the hopes to drag its rating down so that elden ring would then
Definitely win not that it has any fucking grass because game of the year is voted for
And
I just think that's such a
That's such a salty thing to do
Because you're tarnishing
A very very very good game. It is top tier
But you will get people who they don't even necessarily care. They're just doing it because they want to you know, I think I think that
Especially when something costs you nothing and you might be someone with x amount of like email addresses or whatever
It I think you know, you probably find on reddit, you know, it's it's little groups of people that are like, yeah
Let's do it because they've got nothing better to do discord mods. Well, yeah, and I and it's
I mean you get it. I know
being um
a music fan I I tend to
like I remember, uh, you know, it was this thing with
I think beyonce and there was all of a sudden you've got this row with a rock band and beyonce fans
And it's like we're taking down the bay hive or whatever it's called and you know, and it was like this massive the bay hive
Fucking weird name. I imagine it's probably beehive, but I it has a y in it something. Beyonce
Um, bae, I'll tell you and yeah, and all of a sudden you've got these people who would never communicate in real life
And they're tearing each other new ones over who's trying to be number one
And it almost doesn't matter what the music is. Well, it literally doesn't matter what the music is
Yeah, I think you'll always get it's the same. It's nothing on whingeing for the sake of fuck
Just trying to cause an issue there. Yeah for sure. Um, but
At the end of the day, everyone knows how incredible of a game it was. The metacritic scores are
Uh, yeah taking with a pinch of salt for sure, you know
I mean because there's plenty of games on there. I can't remember any of the top made that have a shit rating
But very good games. Yep
Last of us part two. Yeah, and again
With your true favorite things. I don't think i've ever looked at a review. You know, I think those things no
Yeah, no, never yourself never I I stopped looking at reviews a long time ago
So like in terms of it affecting whether or not i'm going to buy the game, which is very very um
Ironic considering our last episode we sat here and spoke about um, calisto protocol and how the reviews had turned us off
I don't think it was necessarily the reviews that have turned it off. I think it's the fact that
We don't want to pay
45 quid for a 12-hour campaign for sure and yeah
I suppose it's looking at it from a technical aspect in the sense that
Like I often get um, i've got a huge wishlist wish list wish list on uh,
The switch and often it'll come up and it'll go oh eight games are in your wishlist
And uh, and it was you know, it was something literally like fiverr
um
And actually looking at reviews and the only ones that were really there were
Um, oh really repetitive
Um same soundtrack like just things about
about um the actual
Stats, you know stuff off the game. I think that's worth listening for you know, like you say it's a short campaign
You think oh, right. Okay, then, you know if it was there for a tenner
You'd probably go for it
You always see it on like stay on the steam library because you could it obviously it tells you how many hours
Someone sunk into that game when they write a review. Okay, so if I put a review on of
World warcraft isn't on the fucking steam library
It'd be like fucking 10 000 hours. Yeah
Yeah, um, and you'll always see it like they'll give it they'll give it a thumbs down and a really shit rated
And it'll say like 1500 hours playing they go this game was shit. It's like well you sunk 1500 hours into it
Oh, i'm with you. I thought you're gonna be like 45 minutes. No, no, no, no, no like ridiculous hours
It's like you've like you
You deserve to write a review but at the same time it can't have been that shit because you've given up like a year
To play it. Um, yeah, so it's very
I think I think reviews end up sort of taking over things like game of the year because people look at certain games like oh
Well that had shit reviews blah blah blah and it affects more than it should do. Yeah
so
Like I say the rest of the list. It's not that long. We've got best game direction went to elden ring
Awarded for outstanding creative vision and innovation in game direction and design the design in elden ring was fucking mental
The the different hidden places and the just absolutely incredible best narrative god of war ragnarok
Oh, yeah, I think I agree with that. I think definitely for outstanding
storytelling and narrative development in a game 100 100 the story in god of war ragnarok
when um
When brock dies
Fucking hell gut wrenching man. You know, I mean if a game brings you very near to tears, it's doing something
I was crying. Yeah, that was what made me go
I think it might have been
the bit
Where with his wife that really got to me and just the things that she was saying was so just like profound
But they were doing something so simple like with her hands on the tree
um
Yeah, and like again you it kept you that you're like kratos is gonna die. He's gonna die
Yeah, you form the very strong relationship with mo with yeah, we're pretty much
Such all of the characters there. Yeah. Yeah, so you got best art direction went to elden ring
I think
All the games that were nominators you got elden ring god of war horizon forbidden west scorn and stray
I thought they were all very good looking games, especially um scorn of all the games there scorn. I thought
it was very
Gruesome dark but very detailed and the sound effects because obviously i've only just played that
Yeah, I really really liked it
um
Got best score slash music goes to
Bear mccreery god of war ragnarok god of war has some real decent music. Yeah
Um, I won't do an impression of any of the music but very like deep
Best audio design god of war ragnarok
Hmm
So I think I don't play games with a headset on though
So it's very difficult to get the full ash said it was very good with his breathing didn't he said that you
You he's doing breaths and stuff. Yeah, you could hear his breath. Yeah, it's quite immersive
To be fair. I think the because obviously on the ps5
I don't know if it's the same with the ps4
But definitely the ps5 there was a lot of sound coming out of the controller itself
And it always caught me off guard because it would be i'd be walking you can hear his axe like making noises off
Yeah, and it would always catch me because I think what the fuck is that noise coming from and it was actually my controller
So yeah, I see what they've got that. Yeah, best performance christopher judge. Obviously he plays kratos
Nice fantastic voice actor really fucking he deserved that 100% no one else on the list comes close
um
Games for impact as dusk falls i've heard about it. Haven't looked into it
Can't really say anything on it, but it's obviously one for a reason
Best ongoing game final fantasy 14
Sorry ash, but destiny 2 did not make it you had apex legends destiny 2 final fantasy 14
fortnight
What the fuck was fortnight doing on there? Yeah, but it's so popular. Fuck me. It's so popular. You can't take it away from it
genshin impact
I know you've got a hatred
Absolutely rip off
Yeah, but look fortnight's on the fucking list
So all they do is rip off other fucking games. We've spoken about on the pod
I hate it fucking hate it final fantasy deserves that category as best ongoing game would have been interesting if
If world of warcraft had made it on that list
Because obviously they're both very ongoing. Yeah
um
And then you got here we go the big one best indie game. It was stray
Another game that we played together really really really like it. You had cult of the lamb neon white sifu
Stray and then tunic. So obviously I played cult of the lamb as well
Very when I because I've obviously voted on all these categories and I did vote for cult of the lamb
Yeah, but what did you vote for his game of the year?
stray, yep stray not because I thought it was game of the year
But because I would not to the developers of the people the people that made straffle you deserve that
You ain't gonna win game of the year, but you deserve you got your vote. Yeah, you bump the numbers up, but definitely
Uh a toss between for me. Anyway cult of the lamb and stray for best indie game. I think cult of the lamb
Was the art style of it was absolutely fantastic and the the sadistic nature of it and the fact you could eat
Make eat someone make someone eat shit. Yeah, I found that incredible
Again, though once I completed that I dropped it
Good got no we've got no reason to go back to it honorable mention when I came in and you were like
Genuinely upset because the one that you'd named after our brother-in-law was getting old
And you couldn't bear to look at this little old sheep version of al
Growing old and like dying and then you you ascended him. Oh, yeah
I sent him to valhalla didn't I?
I didn't want to see him die like that. So I made him ascend into a higher plane of being
Yeah, that was a good game man. I really liked that but stray. Um
Stray was so good. It was so unique and
And mark, I think mark has it or he's going to get it and he hasn't played it yet
But he's he's excited to play it. Yeah, because he says he's really gonna enjoy it
I just like the fact that a trophy for meowing like a hundred times. Yeah, press circle and you keep me out
And it was a very good game
um
I was a little bit dubious because I looked at the trophies first before playing it which I very very rarely do
Yeah, I don't give a fuck about trophies. Yeah and seeing the one that says complete it in under two hours. I was like
What? Yeah, we're gonna do this in two hours, but
After playing it's only I did it in six hours and something I think or eight hours and something
um
But yeah, very very very good game for
such a simple
uh
idea, yeah really
Yeah, and
No voice acting. I know but isn't that I find it's kind of like with a cat or a dog, you know a pet in general
You understood him. Yeah, like you're having like I feel like I've had conversations with my pets
Even though they've never said a word definitely and
And have you ever spoken about ruin here before
Uh, I've said that I've got a dog but you know how like
She's five
She had a hat and scarf on this morning. Um
and
But what was I going to say? Maybe my truck or four. No voice. That's it
When he finds out when he realizes that he was human the little doobly
And I remember we actually recorded it because I was like no no he speaks when he says that
Yeah, we went back and it wasn't like
But oh my god, I heard you could have swore they spoke grab getting the music sheets for that woman
Yeah, or not even women. It's a fucking robot. But still I knew you saw
everything in that game as as a
uh as a person as an actual being so expressive and
Yeah, you think that all that their face was a fucking tv screen with three
Horizontal lines and yet they made that
They made their facial expressions
incredible noticeable and it was
Very very well done. Um
They really really deserved to to win in some form of category and to win best indie game to to win your category
Yeah, basically to even be nominated for game of the year alone. I think is very very good
Um, and I never would have said when we watched this was it state of play?
Yeah, and you were like, oh steph is a cat game like you're like i'll get it for you or whatever
Yeah, because that got announced ages ago. I was all over this. Yeah, we had like no idea
Kind of what it was going to be
Because didn't we also see the one with like the fox and her babies?
Yeah, yeah, and that kind of was a bit more like cut and dry
Um, but yeah, I never would have expected such an experience from what kind of seemed to be just like oh you're a cat
And you went around so shout out to blue 12 studio for for developing that game because it's fucking incredible
And the fact that they left room for a sequel as well
Yeah, definitely you
You it stands alone well, but you could easily you could make a sequel out of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, very very cool
Uh next one best debut indie stray nice again
vampire survivors is on there
It's not the thing that you're playing was it
Vampire survivors is that the one that ash was playing? No, didn't you play something for a while as a vampire? Oh, yeah that um
Uh, yeah vampire survivors is the one that ash was on about. All right one that he was raving about but now
Excuse me doesn't play anymore
Lovely because it was that incredible anyway
Best bet here we go the big one the big one ash will love this because ash ash
Because ash ash what but I believe he watched all of game of the year
He watched it because obviously being on the night shift. Yeah. Yeah, and I know one then I don't know if it's the same in
in his area
Um, but on my area they do fuck all on nights. So maybe you had loads of time. I don't know
I'm probably wrong but um marvel snap was the winner of best mobile game of the year a game that I shot on
Played loved haven't picked it up for over a week. I feel like we really gave that the diablo immortal treatment
Oh god, which we're both completely obsessed with it
And then put it down one day never to be picked up again. Diablo immortal had so much opportunity
They they really had the the world in the palm of their hands and they fucked it
Yeah, I took stef to lanza roti for her birthday
And what was it free days and free nights? We was there
Yeah, something like that. Three nights four days. Three nights four days
We spent the entire time playing diablo immortal pretty much. Yeah, but to be fair. What more can you do?
We're sitting on a fucking volcano. There was that cool lady that one night
That was nice. She was cool. I feel like we had a we had a connection. Yeah
But yeah, would you remember no wait when we were really excited we came down to dinner and uh, there was a sign up for
What was going to be on that night?
Yeah, it was bingo and we were like, oh bingo. We've been moaning that there was nothing to do
and uh, and how we oh well, luckily we've got diablo because there's nothing to do and then
Uh, yeah, we saw this bingo and then literally in the course of dinner
Uh by the time that we'd finished eating
And we came up to the side and we thought shall we and then we well
No, let's go and play diablo and we did and we had some
Whatever film was on the channel the only english channel that we could find
Yeah, it was like fast and furious something like that. I think it was fast and furious. Yeah
Oh, just diablo to and then we come off holiday and just didn't play that game again
No, I'll tell you what it was you reached the I reached max level and then I had to start paying for shit
No, i'm good. I can't be asked for this
Yeah, and and what it did to me, I think I was probably maybe 10 levels away
And I lost all motivation because I just knew that when I was going to get there it was gonna be shit
So and I mean I do have
An affinity for avoiding the end of games. Um
Massively still haven't done zelda
I still haven't done a lot of things. I know tomb raider. I still have done black flag my friend. That's fucking mental
It is mental. It's
You cannot well
I do and I don't understand it
So you you are notorious for not completing games when you love them so much because you don't want them to end
And ash is notorious for completing games and if he loves them so much platinum getting the platinum for them as a nod to the developers
You fall somewhere in the middle. I suppose
I do them as quick as possible
If I really love them, I'll put all my time in them
I
It's almost like not a conscious thing. I just sense that it's coming to the end
and then
It just becomes something will happen and I won't be able to play and then it'll get further and further away like I never
ever intended to not finish black flag
Because at that point you missed out man. I know fucking sick the portuguese man of war that you could get
Oh mama. No, I think I did have that fucking sick. But what the thing
And again, I was about to say we spoke about before but obviously i've never been on here before so that
It's what we've spoken about. Yeah. No, I know but I think I loved and I personally believe the very underrated
Assassin's creed which is assassin's creed 3
Yeah
Um
And my biggest problem with assassin's creed 3 whilst I did finish it and absolutely love it
Was the boat mechanics were horrendous
Absolutely shocking
I think I showed you a clip didn't I?
terrible and
Um when it was like literally I remember
What have I been? I've probably in college. Um or finishing school
And it was like oh, yeah, and the next the next assassin's creed is gonna be you know, uh a captain of
Ships and he's gonna be this sort of like piratey vibes and blackbeard and I was like, oh fuck
Because it was just like
I hate is the only bit of assassin's creed 3 that I didn't like
and uh
And yeah, and I just thought here we go
But I still got the collector's edition and yeah
He's hanging on his little flag and I and I did really really love it and
And the sea shanties. Yeah
And yeah, I just I can
I seem to remember it was like exams and shit got in the way
And I think that christmas
Or must have been the christmas after no in me. It was probably the christmas after
I got an xbox one for christmas
and
I'm pretty sure
I don't know that they made it compatible because if you remember, I know you're not an xboxer, but
When that was announced they were like, yeah, there's like no backwards compatibility life. No, you can't play fuck
Like no and I remember I think I asked for dark souls two
And again, I i'm pretty sure I couldn't play it on the xbox one
So now i've got this brand new, you know, obviously it wasn't new but to me this brand new game
Like I can't play on my brand new console which just sucked
um
And yeah, I think it was just a little bit of that and i'm pretty sure now even now
what maybe
Eight or nine years later
That the black flag is still in my 360. I just haven't turned it on for all that time
But I just super intended to finish it, but it kind of birthed like a
An unfinished
Yeah in the sense but like but you're gonna have to finish zelda at some point because obviously they've announced the yeah
Tears the kingdom so you'll have to because what is it zelda? Which?
Breath of the wild is that the one is that no what is the one that you're playing? Oh, yes breath of the world
Yeah, but then i'm not versed in my zelda. I have
I have a lot of unfinished zelda games
Have you completed any of them? Yes
Which one?
I don't say one. How dare you uh ocarina of time. Yeah, of course. Um,
I've never finished majora's mask because it's too hard
Ash will be sitting there screaming. No, he won't he's not finished. He all right. No, this is the thing
This is where you know what I need ash sat here
I don't want to sit down want to talk to ash not you because you don't
We're not even going to get onto that zelda episode. Um, that's not happening
Um, i'm me and ash have spoken privately
But um
Yeah, no, and I think it I wonder
it's hard because
It's I think you don't know
whether
You're not playing it because
Of some you know
Like you you know, you say it's because I love it too much and I do think there's elements of that but at the same time
I can take the tomb raiders like the square enix tomb raiders that really shit collectors edition that you got
What do you mean?
the one with the torch
Why is that shit? What was the other thing that you got with it?
You got the statue of the torch my breathing. It's making me conscious. Well stop breathing into the mic. Sorry
No, that was amazing I was really impressed with that I thought you didn't like it I thought that was destiny two
Blue that was fucking destiny two, which I will never
Ever forget on my deathbed. I'll be raging about that for the end of time
How much does that set you back?
Over 200 over 200 quit and you've got a bag that no one in this world. No
Can you one of the broadest people i've ever met and it's too big
and then
Oh, and then my internet where I used to live was so bad that I couldn't actually even play the game. Yeah
That's the sore spot. But no the tomb raider one was amazing
And it hasn't depreciated in value either. Yeah, why do I feel like there was a tomb raider one that was shit?
No, no, no, but what I was gonna say is the game itself
So there was tomb raider rise of the tomb raider and shadow of the tomb raider was the third one and
Final and everyone knew it was going to be the final one
That's the one you haven't finished. Yes now
Rock tomb raider. I thought I thought was amazing because it was just so fresh and I just loved it
Rise I thought built on that for sure. It was amazing easily my favorite one of the three. Yeah now shadow
As I was playing it, it wasn't grabbing me the same way. It was just it felt a bit
not necessarily tired but
Kind of like, oh, sorry. I don't know why I did that
I just tipped you away for a second there
um
I think it just felt like a bit repetitive. Yeah, but you're right at the end though as well
I'm so you know, you know what you're there now. I've had to like relearn all the controls because it's been so long
Yeah last played it
Um, but it's literally the last bit and it's the same with zelda breath of the wild you are at the last
Yeah, but yeah, which I find is what's the crazy part of it is that it's not even like
It's not even like you've stopped with five hours left
It's probably like half an hour was worth of game play and you've gone. Nope. I don't want this
Yeah, but you have to think though
so it came out in march 17 and
I
Played it quite a lot, but I was also
Going into my final year of uni
Which was ridiculously, excuse me
stress
so stressful, um
And yeah, and I just think that it kind of
It felt infinite. It felt like oh i've got ages. Yeah, yeah to play it. So I don't know
I don't know. Maybe maybe you can revisit at some point and you can play these various games
But then take rage that's came into my head today rage. Oh one or two one
I loved rage one. I didn't even buy it. I don't know how the hell I ended up with it. I think it came with
I think I needed to buy
something or someone bought something
And they were like, oh do you want this? I don't want it and it was rage and it's like so fucking weird
It's over two discs and all shit like that. Don't do them like that anymore. No. Oh, no. Sorry
You keep fucking moving the mic away like that
It's my first time. No, you know what? It's because I can't breathe out my nose
I'm so conscious of breathing out the mic. I want to like
You can pull it away a little bit
You can still you can talk to it like that, you know, you can breathe
I know but i'm just worried that you're gonna play this back and it's just gonna be me going
I'm fucking doing it now. It probably will be but there's nothing we can do probably well, hopefully it's not that bad
There's nothing that i'm going to do so rage and I think I was so like as we all did loved skyrim
And I was so like when I saw it and I had I knew nothing about it and
Saw that it was bethesda and was like well, here we go
And it is a very similar feeling game. It kind of just felt like and I don't know if it's gonna offend anyone
I don't know how popular rage really was but
You know people are gonna be going
Um, it kind of felt like skyrim and like a different skin and you know, like well most bethesda games feel
Very very similar fucking look at outer worlds
Ah class though. Yes, very good game ash didn't fucking like it and and that's the thing like I loved it
It's got a little place in my heart forever. I finished it. I really really enjoyed it
Had absolutely no interest in rage 2 whatsoever
Yeah, and I just think sometimes it's like
Yeah, and I just think sometimes it no one fucking did no, no one had interested it. I tell you what we could I mean, um
Have you said about the the eldering board game?
Yeah, I spoke about on the last one. You're not you're not caught up. Are you? No, i'm one behind
apology deepest apologies you you aren't you aren't there
Sorry, I am very very very sorry. I've just had to fact check myself the outer worlds wasn't bethesda. It was obsidian
entertainment
Which is why oh, i'm so scared. I am which is why very very much
like bethesda because they basically are
So
But I know I know I know what you mean most bethesda games
They they sort of it was they run off the same thing. Oh, I loved it. I loved it and I couldn't even really tell you why
but
It just and just so
um
I don't know
And I don't think i'm because I don't have um
Many friends who any friends at all, but many friends who played games
It was always just me like until literally until pretty much I met you and I had a couple in like school, but not really
I didn't have xbox live so I couldn't really play with them. I just played like a free trial and then
Yeah, I did. The first thing I did was read dead online and was like immediately killed with a throwing knife undead nightmare
Oh, that was good. That was so good
And uh, and yeah, I just think
That rachel's class. I thought was class. I never played it. So I really I can't give you much
No, well much to bounce back on that while while i've got you on a public forum
um
Great. I can't wait for this one. Well, so when it was probably
Was it this year maybe and riz was like, oh let's play eso together
Okay, and I said, yeah, let's go for it. And then he got me. Okay this this
man
um
Or had me I was paying
for
ps plus
I'm not a playstation player. We first started playing it on the playstation. Yeah, have you playing ps plus and eso plus?
Yep, and then this motherfucker ghosted me. Bear in mind. We live in the same house
I'm the fool really honestly. I'm the fool
Um, yeah, he just left me for dust. It ended up being
Like what do you mean? I left you for dust. Well, I stopped playing me out. You string me out. Yeah
Yeah, I'll play it with you. I'll play it with you. I'll tell you what I'll tell you no
Go on. I'll let you finish first before I defend myself. Thank you, honey
um, and then finally one day I said are you still
You still playing for eso plus and he goes
No, no, I stopped months ago. It's like oh, so i'm 40 quid deep
uh
Not not just that i'm just 40 quid deep after he's stopped
Yeah, um
Plus sorry. Sorry plus 6.99 on each of those uh, 10 pound amounts
And then I got a computer for my birthday and we were like, oh cool
Let's reignite this this eso vibes now this time I was clever
Because I only paid 5.99
And I did not get hit this boy gets eso plus I did not get eso plus
Yeah, I was straight there with the eso plus because sure and you're like, oh get my craft back and I said no
because this is this is what happened and
You will understand and as well many people that they will understand
world of warcraft
grabbed me by the bollocks when I was
Pre-pubescent and hasn't let go so i've been with world of warcraft since day one
And oh do you remember when you were like guild master? That was intense. That was like a job. Yeah
Yeah, you're coming home from work and going to work. I was in charge of a community of like like 300 something
What was the really annoying one? Oh squiggle squiggle squiggle squiggy squiggle
That fucking bitch honestly, I think she was the beginning of the end for you with that
I'll tell you what the issue with that guild was and it really shouldn't shouldn't have been an issue
It should have been a brain child. It should have been the best thing about that guild is that it was so
So multicultural I had people in that guild from fucking all over the world and I thought that was incredible
It was fantastic. But what I very quickly realized is that
People's personalities clash and when you're from completely different countries
Yeah, your views the way you say things
I had that racist geezer that was in the guild that I had to remove very swiftly because he was
you had obviously
A lot of people spoke completely different languages every single one of them spoke english
But a lot of them english wasn't their first language, but they still spoke english fluently
So I was like that's that's really cool. Like I only know english and that's it
um, but yeah, there was that guy that was speaking in
Was it was it danish? I can't remember where I can't remember what it was
But he was like massively racist and then someone like messaged me and they were like you do know what you're saying
Right, and I was like fuck so I had to like but well
And you were very much seen as just like it was all on your shoulders. You're like the fucking prime minister
It was it was it was a fucking job. It really was and and and colin
Um who who is like my my first ever like world of warcraft friend and we are friends
To this day even on the times where i've sort of had a break and stopped playing world of warcraft
We've remained friends and we we talk to each other quite regularly
Um, and he even said
Once you become a guild master it will go one or two ways
It will either be the best thing you ever do or it will suck the fun out of world warcraft
And it did and i'll have both when it started fun way and after that I quit for what like a year
A while I just stopped. I went I ain't fucking doing this anymore. I was I've had enough of it
But world of warcraft as a whole
Is one of those games where?
There's been many made like it but none that have ever
Been the same level the closest you get to is final fantasy 14
Yeah, and I always found that whenever i'd have a slight break from world of warcraft because over the
I don't know. What was it like?
13 years i've been playing it 14 years and whatever something like that. I've had very few breaks and whenever I would have a break
You would try and find something to fill that void
Yes, which was very cool because my guild was actually called the call of the void. Yeah, very very cool
um
And you would always try and find something and I genuinely thought that eso
Was the thing that was gonna do that's what we're actually talking about. Yeah, because I because I played it
We started playing on the playstation
And I liked it, but having come from playing an mmo on a laptop or on a pc setup
You you just know that when they port something like that onto a console
It's never ever going to play the same because you are taking a pc game onto a console and that is such a difficult thing
To do because in terms of buttons and movement and layout and hud and ui and things like that on a pc
You can do fucking whatever you want with it
It's like if ash could stomach playing on the laptop. He would love daisy on that. I can guarantee you now
Oh, I can imagine that's better. Yeah, because it'll be so much easier to actually fucking do shit on that combat for a star exactly
so
Obviously, I stopped playing eso on the playstation
Um, what happened was I reached max level and started doing stuff on my own and i'm a very impatient man
And I just didn't wait. Oh my no, it'd be my fault. No, no, i'm not blaming you. I'm just saying i'm just saying I
I had the fear of missing out. I'm on i'm playing an mmo. I don't want to miss out on anything
And yeah, it just didn't hold me anymore. And then obviously started it on the pc
30 and really fucking got into it. Yeah, we really really got into it and um
I got you know what it helped being in the same room as well. Yeah for sure, but I got so into it
That I was like, you know what?
Let's give world of warcraft another go
It's like my gateway drove back into world of warcraft. Yeah, and then yeah, that was it but I like
I felt guilty that I had resubbed to wow. I was scared to tell you because I was like I feel like
Cheating. Yeah, I feel like i've let you down. Yeah, and there's me just hanging on yet again
Not monetarily this time because I learned my lesson but like as you've tried world of warcraft before you didn't like it
No, I really tried. I really tried to love it. But you know what as well I think
having uh, literally other than like
the sims
Uh way back when?
And had a really sick game called otter's adventure. Shout out to all the adventure and digby
Um, and actually mulan while we're here the mulan video game was sick windows 95. I want to say
class, um, sorry and
Yeah, what was I saying? Oh, yeah
Having I played wow first on the computer. Yeah, really really struggling. I was like, oh, is this what it's like like gross
gross, but then downloaded eso and it was just oh so much easier to
Obviously a completely different gaming style because it's it's it's not yeah
No, no, no, no, no, because world of warcraft is obviously is is buttons. It's it's cast bars
whereas eso
Still has a cast bar, but the actual combat is um
What do they call it like skyrim? It's it's
What what's it called? What's that combat style called? I can't remember what it's called
But you you actually you you actually do you're holding a sword and your mouse is what's fucking moving that sword and like not like
Slashing but you've got a point you've got to move towards the enemies and and and yeah
To slash was the kind of the problem. Yeah
I just felt like I was just clicking where as wow is click on the enemy and then you've got your cast bars press fucking
One. Yeah number seven. I really wanted to love it because I think that i'm always kind of like
Wanting to play like play games with people in the sense that like i've got games that i've always played on my own
um
and
At the same time like ones i've really enjoyed like when I played away out with lou
And also um, it takes two with lou because you abandoned me on that one as well
Um mark banister came to that one first with a way out and it takes two and I do not regret my decisions because we had a
Fantastic time playing both of them
Dear dear listeners, uh, he led me along he downloaded it
And downloaded what it takes two? Oh, yeah, but we and then we started and then he went no i'm bored. Jeff play with someone else
Which is fine because you know what I had a great time with lou because we were discovering it together and I would do like I do
Yeah, but you was taking you was taking forever. I my my patience
Yeah, my patience was in very quickly because you were struggling to jump on a box
Okay, I got annoyed with it, but you just said you had fun with you had fun with lou
Yeah, but when you first played when I walked in and you and mark playing it and you were just jumping up and down on like
A bit of poo. No, no, no, no, no, no, I drew a penis on a bit of paper
I think that's to do with probably playing it for the first time in which it felt old hat to you
Like I wonder if now if we swapped and I play the dude and you play the girl
It might be
More fun. No, I know we didn't I literally had to play the dude again. Yeah, and that's it. You got really salty and then is it which I
But you still enjoyed it and that that elephant scene
Holy shit
That was traumatic
My favorite memory of that game isn't even of when I was playing it
It's the recording when you're mark and you die in the middle of it
Oh when you're shooting down the bay hives and I went you do it you finally finished it
Yeah, I was like, oh my god
Shooting down the bay hives and I went you do it you finally finish and then just immediately die
I died just before the cut scene and we both cry to laughter
Because you're obviously not supposed to die. That was so funny
that was great, honestly, like the the the real out of like
Mark like you and mark's videos like those those clips when we used to watch them like in colnorton and every time that
Forever in my head. Yeah, it's gone now
You gave me the more memory stick or maybe we should crack that out or all the it was one of the memory stick
When we cleared out the drawer
Oh that memory stick unlabeled memory stick that hopefully didn't go in the bin bag that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that one has
We've always got the memory has like a hundred hours worth of clips on it. Yeah that one
Yeah, nice
I'm building them. Oh h1z1. What the fuck were we talking about? Oh god. Yeah h1z1. Honestly, we're just it's I found my email again
Didn't I have that or a picture of it of the h1z1? Oh, when you're in the top one percent?
It was 0.1 actually. Was it? Yeah, I'm gonna need independent verification on that.
No
Is that
That's colin coming online on world of warcraft good old colin
What was we talking about? Where did this come from? What were we doing?
Honestly, who can say this is like how most of our conversations we were talking about elder scrolls when we elder scrolls online
Oh, it would be because you couldn't um
Don't worry. I don't know. No, I was gonna say I was talking about rage and you're like, I don't know
So I said we'll talk about something. Well best community
We've managed to string out game of the year into an entire episode. That was fantastic
Best community support went to final fantasy 14 online can't comment but final so final fantasy is obviously is renowned for
Um not being toxic their community are extremely helpful
And if you're a new player and I found that when I did play final fantasy for
12 seconds. Yeah for like a week and said yeah, this is better than wow
And then I realized that I actually don't think it is better than well. Um, the community they were very nice
They were very helpful for them to me and can't fault them
Where was something like the world of warcraft community? Most of them are dicks, but they're my dicks. I'm used to them
I know how they work
We got better
best vr
Slash ar. Oh, go on. Okay
moss
Who's she?
Moss book two. Well done. You remember it's that mouse with the sword. Oh my god. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, I don't know anything about it nor am I interested
innovation in
Accessibility. Oh now we spoke about this. Yeah god of war ragnarok was the winner for that. Okay
I don't think that it should have been god of war ragnarok. However
The last of us part one is on here
Okay, but then as someone who hasn't needed them maybe it's difficult for me to really talk about it
I I always saw as the last of us part two as the game that was incredible for
accessibility
But as you very rightly pointed out I have never ever
Have to use any of them of them options. Yeah, so it's very rare that I
I ever even look at them. Um, but I knew that the last was part two
Had very good accessibility options
So I think it just comes as a shock that god of war was on there because I haven't seen anything
About the accessibility options, but I think it's cool that that's a that's a category in game
That's nice. I know it has been for a while. I imagine a hell of a lot of work goes into making that those things. It must do
It must do
Yeah, very cool. But best action game again. I don't have much to speak about it bayonetta free
Yeah, I know nothing about it. I have no idea about bayonetta because that is just that is just a nintendo only game
Isn't it? I believe so. Yeah
And long anticipated people have been after bayonetta for a long time bayonetta 3 for a long time
I'm so removed from the world of nintendo and that is a shame for you. It's like splatoon's a winner on here somewhere
And I was like how the fuck is splatoon won something?
No, best action slash adventure game god of war ragnarok. Nice
Very good. Best rpg elden ring
Lovely typical should have been best fighting game multiverses
Good for them with all the disney and and like
I can't say I do actually but well done
Best family game kirby and the forgotten land
That's amazing, which I don't know but you got lego star wars in there. Yeah, but it's so hard nintendo switch sports
Okay. Well, yeah, but then that's kirby's that little squishy bastard, isn't it? Yeah
Yeah, that little fucker best sports racing game grand to me granter ismo seven
I like my I like my racing games but
But granter ismo, I think don't we have five?
Or thank god fucking clue. Yeah clue. We ain't touched it. No, we have no we remember with the christmas that we had the thing inside
There you go. Go on best sim slash strategy game. Go on
mario and rabid's sparks of hope
Haven't played it. I've never
I know there's there's quite a few in the mario and rabid series. I'm not a fucking clue, but you had june spice wars in
june spice wars
Oh, total war warhammer three two point campus victoria free. I didn't know there was a june game
That's during the book because it's all spice, isn't it? That was a weird film
If anyone's seen the film, can we all just reference the bit where it goes? Oh, whoa
Again, me and lois was sat in that cinema thinking what the loving fuck is this?
They like stood there and then yeah, this thing just starts like it's like mad music and yeah
It was I mean it was good but this one best multiplayer game
For outstanding online multiplayer gameplay and design including co-op and massively multiplayer experiences
Irrespective of game genre or platform. Okay, you have call of duty modern warfare 2. These are the nominees. Okay
multiverses
overwatch 2
Oh that that had your attention for a good like week and a half didn't it it did but again
Everything was too fucking expensive on that game. It pissed me off
Yeah, and I hated the fact that the people that I played it with ash and j shout out to both to both of them
um
They they were obviously on console
Because i'm on pc because I refuse to play it on console because I much preferred it on my on on on the pc
Oh, you did try didn't you? I did. I tried it on both. Yeah, um, it would fling them in a pc lobby with me
Oh, and there was no aim assist for the for the console players gross so I could spin like a motherfucker and and and have
100 accuracy
Poor ash and j have fuck all so they were getting battered
Yeah, so it weren't fair and then all the skins would cost an arm and a leg. It was fucking pointless ridiculous. I was very annoyed about it
Splatoon 3
teenage mutant ninja turtles shredder's revenge
Splatoon 3 won that
Call of duty modern warfare 2 is on there as best for a nominated for the best multiplayer game
I don't understand how splatoon 3
Has won that but you've never played splatoon 3 and if I asked you to explain the concept of splatoon
Would you be able to everyone's it's that paint game in it, but do you know what you do? But everyone's heard of
but
call of duty
Right. I don't understand but you've never played it
Is it how can you understand but splatoon 3 is only on nintendo as well, isn't it? Yes
I just find that incredible
Well, yeah
I really do
I I must admit so I don't have spoon three but I have splatoon 2 and you must get it so that we can see
What the hype is because on here?
4.8 out of 5 stars 4.9 out of 5 stars 5.5 out of 5 like 5 5 out of 5 stars
You know, I mean, it's got really really really good fucking reviews. Well, I will
attest to splatoon 2 being sick. I really enjoyed it and the only reason I
um kind of
Well, I don't I wasn't playing it by the time that you and I got together
um
Again is just a case of it kind of got a bit boring having no friends. There's a splatoon switch
Oh, yeah. Oh, I have the no, you know the pink and green
Uh pro controller I have yeah, that's platoon platoon seemed. Yeah
Um, no, I really do like it and I I do think that it's class and it's quite a unique way
Well that one and well done to them. Yes, blah blah blah content creator of the year ludwig
It's gonna sound awful. I have no idea who that is
Sorry, sorry
I got no fucking idea people gonna scream at me for that one. I don't know
Well, best esports after we're getting onto the weird ones now all the esports shit get me the most anticipated
most anticipated game
You have final fantasy 16 hogwarts legacy resident evil 4 starfield the legend of zelda tears of the kingdom
And it was obviously legend of zelda that one
Yes
Very cool beautiful. I am so excited even though I'm interested. Has that got a release date?
Um, you know what? I literally I want to say either next year or the year after but honestly, I couldn't tell you you have to
Google that but no I am so excited and I think
again, I know we spoke about as old earlier, but
Genuinely, I find them incredible and I think that they get a bad rap 12th of may
2023 yes, that's predicted to come out and no doubt it'll be pushed back. Oh probably
But no, I do think that
They are they they don't get maybe they do they're starting to get the credit
But I think for a very long time they're written off of just being like, oh, it's just what girls play and they think there's gaming
but I do think that
again
Um, you know, I said it I said it to ash like when we had that conversation about it like
It might not always necessarily land like I do think that there are some zelda releases that have missed the mark
Yeah, you're never going to be perfect when you're releasing quite
No, but I think that they
Consistently try and break the mold. Yeah
And i'm excited to see what they do because
I think
Having um, like the releases that were on the ds
3ds I should say
some of them
Did kind of fall flat in my opinion as a massive zelda fan. Yeah
um
And I think you know like games like skyward sword which really used the wii controller. Um
and and also um
Twilight princess which I actually recently, uh started playing again when I briefly plugged the wii in remember a while ago
I was playing twilight princess. What the one where you dress that
What what who are you?
I'm what you want about I don't know what you want about you're you become a wolf
God you really what the fuck are you on about? What zelda was I in the same room when you was playing this?
Yeah, and it breaks my heart a little bit that you don't remember but anyway, um, no, I don't I apologize
So i'm quite what i'm getting at is like
From the trailers it's seeming really sticking. So
again, not that you I have told you before but
There's no way that you remembered but the story isn't always the same but it's like always kind of a similar vibe
Yeah
Um, I remember you telling me that yeah, like you're not always in hyrule
Um, which is the land that is set in you're not always there. Um
Like in skyward sword you're in skyloft
um
Great. Yeah
Inimative
And uh, i'll be quite interested to see like again. I'm talking to someone who has not finished breath of the wild
breath of the wild, yeah
but
I want to know kind of what they're gonna there's a cat outside. Look at that kitty. Oh, there is a cat
Oh my god. I've not seen that cat before. Hello. Who the fuck are you?
But the door's shut she ain't I know but she's she doesn't like you but she likes me I know yes very nice
Anyway, if you continue, sorry
Um, yeah, i'm just quite intrigued as to how they're gonna sort of make it a bit different because I feel like they will
I don't think they're just gonna
keep that same
Um, you know the same kind of powers and I think it I think potentially to a certain extent
But i'm excited to see how they're gonna
build on that
Well, we've got a
Half a year to wait
I know and then you'll be able to grab hold of that one and never finish it and that is basically it for game of the year
That's it. There you go. Very good winners
Very successful. I enjoyed that. Um
Nice silence
Honestly the cat really just threw I didn't think we was going to be able to squeeze quite a lot. That's decent. I know because um
I
I think it's
Predictable but not predictable at the same time
I think there's been like with eldenwyn god of war definite like you knew they were going to win most of the categories
But I've said it before I'd like I said earlier. I really love the fact that stray have won
One an indie game and that there are games that that I think it's a credit
to
a lot of
games that win
Um
That you've never heard of I quite like that because it you
Nine times out of ten you end up looking into those games where it makes you think fucking how have I never heard of this?
Because I probably will look at splatoon 3 even though I know I can't play it on anything except for the switch
But I'll be I'll look at videos of it to figure out what the fuck is going on
I'll look at videos of it to figure out what the fuck why is this so popular? Yeah
Um, so yeah, I know it's good. I like it and i'd love to know
how like what is the payoff in the sense that so if you're um
The people who made god of war are
What's the studio?
Santa Monica studio. Yeah, so if you're those guys and you're looking at this
Release up and coming like what was the decision behind?
If you could push that two months and it wouldn't have been up against elden ring
But then I suppose are you betting that?
Something that comes out next year. Do you see I mean like you know how we're saying earlier about how
you know, it has come out so late in the year and
The the percentage of people who have played it compared to those who have played elden ring
Is going to be so much lower
I wonder why you wouldn't just push it and have it come out the start of the year and then try and win the game
Of the year 23 or perhaps maybe they just kind of like weren't bothered. I don't well they
I think I don't think
things like game of the year matter as much to something like god of war
and probably elden ring in terms of
It's got its following. It's gonna be good an award doesn't mean that
You don't have that gay the god of war ragnarok was always going to be incredible
There was doubts as to whether or not it would live up to expectation. I think it blew his expectation
Expectation out of the fucking water. I thought it was mental
Um, and I think you'll struggle to find anyone that disagrees with that
so I think
They were they were just focused on
Getting that game to go gold and then release and that's what they did obviously by going gold
It's fucking it's ready. Yeah, it's good to go. Um
so I think
A studio like santa monica isn't it's not going to be knocked by not getting game of the year because I think it's one
Of those where you understand that despite elden ring winning game of the year
It's sort of like you can you can picture
Elden ring and god of war both shaking hands in in respect to each other and going we both know that we're we're the shit
Yeah, simple as that. Yeah, and I guess as I say there's no guarantee that you wouldn't be up against something equal next year
Exactly exactly but then at the same time like it's won a lot
Yeah, you know, it's like you might not have what is it?
Win the battle lose the war that kind of thing like they've they've they've won a lot god of war have won a lot bearing
Mind, what has it been out like a month? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's impressive
It is really impressive and then you got the fucking collectors editions and all that shit that will come with it
It's it's incredible and so the stuff that um
That comes off of that
Um, I think is really great
Uh, well like the elden ring board game. Yes, that looks fucking crazy
I'm just not paying that dough for it. The last of us one will have to do um
Oh god, yeah, I forgot that's the one you actually got. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's exciting. Okay next year
What made you not pick up horizon?
When interested in it, you know, I never completed um horizon the first horizon
But there was a point where you were like so obsessed with that too
I was proper into horizon and I got about two-thirds of the way through and I have this thing
Where if a game is massive and open world?
And it isn't world of warcraft. I just I lose interest in it unless it's really really grabbed me
I wouldn't have said that was any bigger map than elden ring though
Yeah, but elden ring really grabbed hold of me. Whereas
Whereas horizon I just maybe the story just wasn't as good as I was hoping for it to be
Um, I don't know. I won't ever go back to it and try and complete it. I just won't. I'm not interested. Um
I feel like I've missed out there but at the same time i'm sort of like meh
I can't bother because I did really like it. Yeah
Yeah, I know well, I think when we met you'd sold your copy and then you were like, oh actually
I wish I'm sold now and then you got the digital version and played it again for it
But horizon um forbidden west had a really really rough release because it released alongside elden ring
It's harsh, isn't it?
And it's like yeah, you you were you were never going to be in the spotlight when you released against
Against a game like that next to a bionta album. Yeah
You're gonna attract the beehive. It just was not going to happen. Um, bless him. Yeah, so I think i've got
Before I forget. Yeah
Okay
A message from ash. Where's the pod? I keep refreshing and want to listen. I'm a fan over here
I got to answer a question from sam parkes. So he said on the twitter
He said did you guys manage to beat the berserkers and
I watched the youtube video on it and I think it's called jeena
Um, but it's gna
So in my head I say gna
It might be gna
But we'll say jeena
Obviously in god of war you remember the one berserker that I come across
With the like ice all around you
Yeah, yeah, you touch the stone in the middle with the key and then that thing come out and I killed it and it said
And it said one out of 12 and I went 12. There's 12 of them. Well
I didn't actually uh, did I ask his fucking question? I didn't did I he he just said he said
Yeah, did you guys manage to beat the berserkers and jeena?
No, is your answer sam? No. No, I fucking haven't I I won't lie. Um
Dragonflight released on world of warcraft. I just haven't touched the playstation. I just haven't
Uh exactly what I predicted world of warcraft has taken over and i've done exactly what I knew would happen
Whereby I've got a character to max level and have decided I want to play a different character
So all the hours that i've sunk into world of warcraft so far
I've all been reset this expansion because I decided I want to play something else
Having played a different class for the first time in your life
Yeah, uh
I'm not gonna be a tank stuff. I'm really excited but mark is on the war path for these berserkers
He's he's got his he's he's angry about it and when he gets angry
He he get he switches it off. So
Last time he lost berserkers that he went against I thought it was bad with one
But he said the ones he went against there was three
Three at once and he said he died once and thought no i'm gonna put my head through this telly
I'm turning it off but inevitably on monday when I pick him up for work
He'll probably talk to me about how he tried it again. So he will almost definitely get all them berserkers done
Gina on the other hand is the
final valkyrie boss
From the crucible trials now when I played god of war I only did two crucible trials because I just couldn't be bothered
I couldn't be bothered because I remember from the first god of war
um and at that when I'm in
Ragnarok, I already had the gear that I wanted. Um, I was already like sort of two-thirds of the way through
So I was I was sort of like man. I'm not i'm not massively interested in this
There's trophies to be had there. So when or if I go and decide the plan of it, then i'll have to go back to it
Um, but to answer your question sam mate
We I I ain't fucking touched it if i'm honest world of warcraft's taken over, but hopefully
mark
Will come will be our savior on this one and we'll get it done because he is
75
70 something percent way through on the trophies. He's only got like four four trophies left
See, I think you played you played them very differently as an observer of you playing both of them again
It was one of those ones god of war was sat on your little pile and you were like, oh, yeah
I got it and nah not fast and then download it again and then deleted it again and then download it again
Tell me about four tries. Yeah over years like literally years. Um
And I think yeah, you played that sort of a lot more casually and I think the ending you know
You came out of it loving it and bought the leviathan axe. Mm-hmm
um
Which I forgot to bring over actually. Oh hobson's probably scratched the fuck out of it. Oh
No, he won't have his mind
Um
And yeah, but whereas I think this time around
Like I think that it's not that you were necessarily rushing
I think you were like, I mean you've spoken about it on the pod
But you know you did you were taking time and enjoying it
But there was a sense of urgency that I think that you didn't have with the first one
Yeah, yeah
because I think which probably comes more from just an excitement and a higher investment because you no longer needed convincing that you loved the
Game. Yeah, I was already new
Where as I think of the first one it like I remember I remember you being like this is shit. Yeah
I missed a trick. I hate this. Well, so ash wanted to fucking throw me in a chipper over it
Yeah, I mean he was he was genuinely angry about it. It was the first conversation I had with him. Yeah
Yeah, I didn't really like it. What the fuck get get out of this van
Yeah, and you are I don't mean in a mean way, but I think you're quite a fickle gamer in the sense that
Thank you. It has so much
No, no, I mean that you
Are you not supposed to take that you're quite fickle? No, no, I said you're a fickle gamer. There is a difference
I don't mean to like, you know psyche value, but I think that it has to like maintain your attention
In like a perfect balance
Because I think that with you if you lose you you lose you forever. Like you've just said about horizon
And there's so many games or even overwatch
You you go from you're texting me in the middle of the day going
Oh my god, I just want to come home and play overwatch 2 so bad. I can't concentrate like um
to to literally
The next day you're like no never there has to be a goal a reason for me playing. I have to feel some form of
Of value and reason for why i'm playing this game. I think you value your time quite highly don't you?
You know massively when it comes to gaming. You don't like wasting time
Yeah, I don't want which is mental because you know play world of warcraft unless you're having a poo on tiktok
And then you waste quite a lot of time a lot of time. Um, but yeah if if especially if it's something like a story driven game
If that shit ain't grabbing me I ain't playing it because I can't be asked to waste the time on it
um
so
Yeah, yeah
I agree that there's been a lot of games that are absolutely incredible that i've played and just haven't finished because I just can't be bothered
Yeah, metro exodus really good game, but I uh, it just didn't grab me fucking. Um
assassin's creed origins
Just didn't that I mean because that's grim the new format of assassin's creed fucking horrible
But people love it assassin's creed valhalla people really like that didn't grab me the witcher
Yeah, didn't grab me literally meg my best mate never so all the while I was playing assassins any game
Whatever I was playing all through school. Not a single thing interest and then literally one day she played. Um
Odyssey on her brother's xbox
Um, what's it odyssey? What's the other one? What's the one with the red?
And yeah, it is odyssey. You got odyssey and you got origins. No, yeah, it is odyssey and she went from
Literally just playing it because she was bored
To she absolutely grinded the living shit out of it. She now has her own xbox. She plays it all the time
She played literally every day
Um, they've got a ps5. They've got a switch like oh, she's she's a complete gamer now. Um
And that was something who never was and it's just so odd to see this like living proof of someone who wasn't even remotely interested
In two in brotherhood revelations like any of that when I so was and I think that you and I
Bear in mind our first ever conversation was literally about assassin's creed
To kind of have that love just be like murdered by this absolute repetitive shite
Sorry, if i'm offending any origins lovers you ain't offending anyone because it was absolute god-awful shit
And i'm all for like moving forward and okay. Yeah, if i'm trying new things
Yeah, but don't label it as assassin's creed anymore because it ain't it just isn't and all the
Because everyone was saying that the voice acting was incredible in that game
Where was this incredible voice acting that everyone's talking about move around? Oh fucking hated it an unlocked
Cutscene in what world do you want an unlocked cutscene? You'd walk away from the bloke and you'd be like oh shit he was talking
I'd just disappear because it because you can move around in the cutscenes. It was fucking awful
Man, and the line delivery was like this and everything was the best voice acting in the world
I don't know how anyone could possibly think that this is good. I am egyptian
It was like this. Yeah, I i'm egyptian. Don't you notice I have a slight twang in my voice
Denoting that I'm in fact egyptian. It really didn't fucking resonate with me
Fuck it the new the new assassin's creeds. They just don't I think that I don't like them
We and I will vouch for you that we really fucking tried tried so hard to love
We really tried and I really like assassin's creed. My guy you downloaded valhalla and never once have opened it
I downloaded valhalla and I played about 20 minutes of it and I went nah this ain't for me
Uh, and I knew this isn't the type of game where I have to give it another go to see if it's dead
Yeah, I I looked at the size of the map. I felt the gameplay for a little bit and I went nah
I can't I can't be bothered for this because i'm gonna have to force myself to play this. I um
Um, I can be fucked bear in mind you literally have a syndicate tattoo on your arm. Neither of us finished it
Neither has finished syndicate
No, um, I tried and I really liked unity
I tried to really like unity and I got to this bit and i'm not very far in at all
No, we didn't like rogue though, did we?
But unity and I was trying so because it was shit on unity and massively for its bugs
And yeah, and I literally over this bit and I was so fucking hard and I chopped this guy in some
church thing and
Scaling down and I just got stuck and I lost like oh god
It was like 45 minutes of stuff and I just thought no, you know what? I haven't picked it up since literally
I was like get fucked. Yeah, um
Because I was kind of like already mad at them
because i'm all for like i've very much been someone who
Depending on the game. I don't necessarily care about
Getting it like super early like especially if I haven't finished one like I didn't buy syndicate for years because I hadn't finished black flat
Yeah, to be fair. I didn't get syndicate for a while. I didn't get it straight away
Yeah, because I think I want to say that was 16. It was a while, but I think revelations is my number one or assassin's creed too
Yeah, they're my they're my like my top tier and it
Brotherhood though
Brotherhood was fucking sick. They they were all good and then and then it and then it changed and like you say they've changed
So was the third one they changed the the style of it. I think syndicate was the last
That last sort of I want to say so and then it and then it started changing in it
Yeah, it just it just I weren't interested in it and i'm happy for the people that love it. I really really am
Um, i'm not fuck them
Yeah, but then how long how long could you have played that same format really?
Well, they're fucking doing it with this new format. Oh god. Yeah, but aren't they bringing back something? That's very similar
Yeah, you got all the new assassin's craze. There's about fucking 13 of them that they're releasing in one single place
I will get them. Of course I will. Yeah
Yeah, that's that's
It's sad. I do think that it's my sad assassin's creed life. Yeah, what's but I can't remember what sparked that at all
I think I called you figal
I was attacking your personality. Yes. Thank you. Thank you proceeded to list all the games that I didn't want to play
Yeah, um, so
I think that's about sums it up. Don't it we'll leave this podcast on the fact that i'm fickle
Fickle darling fickle. Oh, I can't fickle it has to be fickle
No, you can do you can say whatever you like you can say whatever you like should we quickly look at the old score
Oh argentino winning two nil against neverlands. No, no, I don't I just didn't want argentino to win
I wanted messy to not get that world cup because i'm cruel like that
Asher sent me a message again saying shout me out. I'm the bit i'm the pod's biggest number one fan whoop whoop
What's the buttons for life? Uh, this is a shout out to ash
Uh, what's the buttons number one fan whoop whoop?
What was it?
also
Also ash isn't here and I I was anticipating talking to him about this substitute for his absence now
I don't know if you're aware, but ash is a big west ham fan
Oh really he's a massive hammers fan. I used to go out with someone who loved west ham now
You may or may not have heard the song rice rice, baby
Oh
no
Now it's for a person called deklam rice who who is in the england squad. Are you going to play it?
No, i'm not gonna play it. I'm not gonna play at all. All right
Ash didn't did tv interviews
And and this song become massive right in the in the footballing world rice rice, baby, right?
He's got fuck all for this. He sent me a video the other day david beckham's now saying it to him
this
Declan rice deklam rice is now sponsored by muller rice
Yeah sponsored by muller rice for deklam rice for rice rice, baby
There's a small level of inevitability there. I think but this motherfucker was interviewed about it
They made him play it and you know, no, no, no, no, no, we ain't gonna play it
Because I can't find it. I will find it
No, because it's a long song as well. I don't play the whole thing
The the public deserves a snippet of the marvelousness
But they made this poor man stand in front of a of a of a camera crew
And it's amazing and sit there singing rice rice, baby
In front of a stadium and we know how anxious ash can get as most fucking people with a camera pointed in their face can get
I would be exactly the same. I just think the fact that the man's received fucking nothing for it is mental
I want deklam rice to like sue these people. I want deklam rice on this podcast and I want him explaining himself
Maybe we get some listeners off of it. What's ash's twitter handle?
I don't have a fucking clue. Ash, what's your twitter handle? You just have to leave it and I'll
Yes, I will get him to play it on the podcast next week
But for now it's an hour and 26 minutes in I can't be bothered to carry on we're gonna leave it there
This has been absolutely fantastic
Thank you everyone for listening
Um, don't forget about the patreon tier that's gonna come out next week. Hopefully if I don't fuck it up, um, look forward to that
uh
Yeah, oh what?
Do I get to say it am I allowed? Yeah, probably probably so an honorable uru so
So we will leave it there. Thank you so much everyone for listening
Oh, right