Hello everyone, this is episode 5 of the what's the buttons podcast. My name is Rhys and with me I have ash
Ash isn't doing so well today. He's been on the graveyard shift. So be me carrying this podcast by the sounds of it
We've got a little list put together of some some exciting shit that we're gonna talk about to be fair
It looks quite decent some drama some new shit. So
Pay attention for the next hour and we'll crack on
What's first and this is the last of us now I I
Not really in on this beef, but if you were listening to our previous previous episode, or was it the one before?
I think we talk about quite regularly. Yeah, one of the episodes we spoke about the
remaster or the the remake whatever you whatever is labeled as of the last of us one coming to PS 5 and I spoke how I
Think it's a cash grab and it's just a fucking there's no there's nothing special and we had a discussion about it
Well, ash has some news that's gonna be new to me
I've seen one clip this morning sort of touching on the subject, but I'm a bit blind to it. So
Let me know take it away. Ash. Yeah, take it away. So hello everybody
I'm a bit tired go easy on me a lot bit of a belly ache as well
I'm hungry
I offered him food. Yeah, I said no I didn't want pasta bro
So yeah yesterday. I saw a lot of tweets about
The state of last of us remake and how much is a cash grab and I thought I remember someone else saying it's a cash grab
What's a surprise?
Hmm, I called it and you did well, we'll see won't we so I thought well
We'll look into it a little bit more funny enough
like Naughty Dog then released the 10 minute clip yesterday of
The last of us showing gameplay diving deep into you know, the the motherboard how it all works showing you
You know the green screens where people are looking and letters above the AI's head showing you what they're thinking
And it's just all technical jar. No, I don't understand
But nonetheless, it looks very pretty
however
It's the same fucking game that you're charging 70 fucking quid for I mean, come on. Why why?
Listen, I'm the last of us fan. I'm not a last was found on the levels of this man
Yeah, I really enjoyed it
But for me, they're like one and done games maybe a two if if you're feeling fruity
And maybe go through on a hard mode, but they're not like replayable games for me
I don't know a lot of people do but not for me. So as
Len dog rightly said last time is already bought it twice bought it for the ps3
Yeah, then it was remade for the ps4 remastered. Yeah, and now a remake for the ps5, which don't get me wrong
Looks beautiful. I mean it does look up to the standards of the last of us to so they have worked magic
But is it necessary and is it worth 70 pound? I don't think so. However
if they were to
make it so if you have the last of us or
You played it before a certain date so you don't just go out by last of us on the ps4 and then go
Oh, I can upgrade for cheap and they did an upgrade path. I think that would be fine
But charging 70 quid regardless of whether you've owned the last of us before or not
It's the same game who they target in because everyone and their mothers played that point
Don't charge me 70 quid for a fucking game. That's already come out twice before you know, I mean I
Squaring I love the last of us and I am NOT comfortable paying seven. I won't I won't do it
I just won't happen. Did you not say that last of us who is your favorite game of all time? It is
Yes, I'm not paying another 70 quid for it. You know, so surely that speaks volumes in itself
It's that's your favorite game of all time your favorite franchise. So to speak. Yeah
Then and you're not willing to pay 70 pound and don't get me wrong. This geezer froze money for fun. Yeah
He sees a nice toy is I don't care how much is you heard about the Ragnarok saga. So I had no Funko's
Almost two months ago and now I've got over 600 quid's worth of fun. Yeah, he's got more than me
I've been collecting them for about ten years
So yeah, if they're not selling it to you like an avid fan
Who's got merch backpacks all the sorts of nonsense you got tattoos?
Yeah, actually, yeah. Yeah, you got a firefly. So do you mean if they're not selling it to you?
Who they selling it to exactly it's it's I it's not something that I was hyped of that when we had the last of us
Two and that that story was that that was it done after all the drama all that bullshit
Everyone knows my stance on that one
So I won't get into it
But after last of us two I thought that was it that that's now finished leave it alone
Focus on something else Naughty Dog are an amazing studio
They have the the talent behind them to pump out this incredible incredible stuff
So I thought work on something else. It'll be great
No instead they bring back the last of us one on a ps5. Yes, it the graphics look great
Yes, they've they claim to change certain things and the multiplayer and things like that, but it's
It was a single player
Campaign very story driven game and there's only so much you can do with that
Without bringing out things like DLC for it. So then just remaking it and adding in a couple of new bits
It's difficult for me to talk completely on it
because like I said, I've only seen one clip and that one clip was Joel beating the shit out of someone with a baseball bat and
The animation looked the same. There was there was nothing new about it. It just looked better which
In today's day and age you need something a little bit more than just graphics to really to make someone throw another 70 bones
And that's coming from a graphics or your graphics or aren't you?
Yeah, massively, massively, massively. I love graphics
But I'm not gonna throw another 70 quid or something where I have already played the story at least twice
Through and through you know, I mean rightly so I'm
Excited with you on that one, but I genuinely thought they were making it from the ground up, which I didn't think it needed anyway
But they are also they did throw
That's an interesting noise
They did throw out that they've done that we've added t-shirts
God what's this? I don't know sounds like a drill to me
That's sound like a drill and we might be back in a minute depending how much longer that carries on
They have added like cosmetics. They've added clothes for whoever wants clothes
They've added
Little statues you can rotate to have a look at you know, the detail which is great
You know once again 70 quid then and I know no you're not a fan of it, but me and my power Clarkie
Last was factions. We loved it. We played that for untold amount of hours fantastic. We loved it anyway. I know you didn't
That's not coming with it either. So there's no multiplayer component. Is it not? No, so there's no multiplayer component to it
So they've removed a feature. So what was this multiplayer component that they were talking about saying that they were redoing and everyone was excited for?
It's a complete separate entity. They're talking like that. That's on the scale of
The last of us franchise in in its entirety
and it does sound exciting new the details are sparse but
That yeah
If it's anything to go by what how much factions was good and what they must have built upon since then
It'll be exciting
But yeah
There's no factions in if they had factions
reworked like even if it was just the same with the graphical overhaul that might have been enough to pull me and Clarkie and
Mmm, but taking that away is it's even less of a package
So you've replaced the multiplayer with better graphics and some t-shirts and some statues are commutate. No, no, not really for me
For 70 quid yeah, and and it's such a huge game that as I said previously
Everyone and their mothers played here this point
So I know they got the series coming out and it'd be a good jumping off point for many people
But I feel at this point if if you haven't played the last of us
Then you probably won't play the last of us
I think that the the last of us there's been so many games that are the post-apocalyptic setting and it's you know
I mean, it's fucking
So much shit has been done with that
I think the last of us and the the storyline behind it and everything involved with the last of us sits near the top if
not at the top in terms of games that go with the post-apocalyptic world and
I think they have to be very careful to not try and milk it too much
They've got a good thing. They had a good thing. It will go down in history books as being an incredible like set of games
Leave it leave it like I say you got the series coming out. So there's gonna be money pumping in from that
Anyway, just leave the games alone
Let them don't turn it into something where you're trying to milk as much out of it as possible
Because a studio like Naughty Dog, they don't need to fucking milk the game for every single penny
It's got because they've got money behind them. So just you know
I mean move that talent on to something else rather than just fucking
Killing like you say most people have played it and if you're not gonna if you haven't played already chances are
You're gonna be drawn to something else. Anyway, they're both both of the games are long stories
So first you have to find the time to do it. I think both together
It's like 60 70 hours worth of fucking campaign. There's a lot of time to designate on a game that's
Coming out for the third time. I mean
If someone if someone watches the new last of a series and they're like, you know what I've got ps4 sitting about I
Want to check out these games?
You're telling me that the last of us remastered on the ps4 is not good enough to stand up and
be counted because
That's a good enough game to go. Yeah, you know this this runs fine
It's you know, the gun plays a bit clunky, but the last of us to gun plays not exactly
Exactly, it's supposed to be clunky anyway, because it's there people just trying to survive, you know, it's part of the part of the charm
so to go into
The remastered version that would have been fine to then jump into last of us to and be like wow
Did it it's ten years old? Is it necessary?
You're getting into dangerous territory when a ten-year-old game is getting remade
They could have used them resources and done a last of a spin-off with one of the other characters
Yeah, do something that they don't they don't they're not putting out the the content to warrant
Doing trying to do get so much out of it. They had that one DLC on the last of us one left behind
Yeah, that was quite good. But again, that was like an hour. You know, I mean it wasn't it wasn't long
It was a nice little story
but
Yeah, just leave the fucking thing
I don't think it will be a good reception if I'm honest people will buy it because of the hype surrounding it
But I if you ain't charging 70 bones for that
I think the reception is good part charging full price for that when it's just a
Liquor paint is probably an understatement because it looks beautiful
But you've removed the multiplayer aspect which a lot of people are a fan of
And you've put some t-shirts and some collectibles in there. Oh and and they've got a permadeath mode
I mean you have to be a maniac
Yeah, you can do your own permadeath mode. Just go when I die off. Yeah, you don't need that implemented
I they've also put a speed running mode in so all that is what they showed was a little timer in the top right of
The screen which you can do if you're fine. Yeah, I mean it there's I
Me and Ash aren't games developers in case you weren't aware we we
You throw us in a room and tell us to make a game chances are we can't do it
so I won't sit here and pretend like I know how to make fucking game, but I
Just I just don't think that this has been the best use of time
It's playing on the nostalgia aspect like Ash said it's ten years old
Just leave it alone for fuck's sake if it I agree though if it was if it was say
35 quid yeah, I think 40 pound is a something like that
Let's say let's say you got it. You got it cheaper if you already own the game most people have got the game
It's fucking free on on
PlayStation Plus so you have access to the game itself and then yeah
35 40 quid you can have this this updated version to ps5 with these new features in rather than saying right you can have all
Of this for 70 quid it's not a brand new game
You've all you've just built you've sort of redone shit on a game that's existed for for a decade and arguably removed features
And and placed in you know things that people were not crying out for
You know I don't think people are crying out for different t-shirts and collectible statues
That's what they said in the video that we've added some highly requested community features
Who's requested this what community what last of us community is there that's still thriving what what are they thriving on exactly a single-player?
campaign
What we thriving on there? I love it to pieces, but I'm not sitting here fucking thriving with it every single day
I think this isn't this isn't we're not here to just shit all over Naughty Dog because they are they're probably one of the leading
Producers, you know they're fantastic the work. They put out is
11 out of 10 more or less so that's not the that's not the goal here
The goal is to try and understand the thinking and the reasoning behind it because I can't I can't understand
What their game plan was I can't imagine a board meeting when Neil Druckmann's gone right last of us remake ground up
They've gone hey, yeah
Probably feels to them that they've just finished working on it. Yeah, so why would they who's gone? Yeah a great idea
They've they've obviously gone into a bit more than that
We're doing the last of a series
So if we can come inside this and there might be some numbers crunching and they're making things make sense
But the general consensus yesterday on social media wasn't good. I reserved judgment. I stuck up for it last time
I think we spoke about it
when we was arguing about whether remakes are worth it and
After seeing that that that 10-minute video, which you should have watched before you did this actually, but they are
It leaves a bit to be desired. I hope last of us fans will enjoy it
I hope they see sense and knock the price down a bit
But I know I know people will buy it regardless, but whether they're gonna hit the figures
They're hoping to hear that's left up for a debate
Agreed and we'll leave it there. Otherwise, we'll keep fucking whinging about it. Yeah, well hate us. There you go
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Yeah, well, yeah once this grows to
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Give us some money and I'll get the website up
Right, uh
No man's sky
Yes
No man's sky
Talk to me
I've been waiting an entire 12 hours to talk about this
Is that it? I thought this had been building up over the week
It was I didn't that so there's been a massive update. I
Downloaded no, I played no man's sky before didn't really enjoy it
Ash said they've done all this sick shit
So stop being an idiot and download it normally when he tells me to download a game and play it
Nine times out of ten it it's in my favor. So I've downloaded it again played it again
Actually enjoyed it. How
however
it
it was asking me to get hold of some stuff to build a base and it was taking a while and I I
Didn't lose interest but I thought I'm just sitting here fucking walking around
Basically a desert trying to find shit that I cannot find and my base looks wank
So I stopped it for the minute and then I went on to Instagram yesterday and see that they've done an update for
freights and
Shit that I don't know about and I messaged ash about it and he's I've been fucking playing this all day
I said save it. We don't want to talk about it. Save it. And here we are. So he's gonna enlighten me
Right, so no man's sky obviously being the big space buff that I am when that got announced
I was pretty excited. It came out was shit
Really really bad
And I was streaming at that time and I was doing quite well streaming
and
so
That came out and it was like this is shit in it chat
And they're like, yes it is. Yes, it is shit sir. Go back to dark
So a brilliant stream that would have been this is wank, but no I was really trying
I'll probably give it a lot more chance than most people did. I was like I want to like it, but I don't understand
What what is this? It's a mess. It's rubbish. There's nothing to do. I'm laying on planet. It's just barren
There's nothing there. There's nothing going on. There's no story
You know and and I remember as well
Sean Murray of hello games the creators he was asked in an interview before the game came out
You know, what's the end, you know, it's a procedurally generated universe something that the human mind can't comprehend
What happens at the end and he's like you are not ready. You are not ready for the end
It is gonna blow your socks off. Honestly, you've never seen anything like it
He went in hard on the ending now. I never finished it because it was shit really boring
but I know what the ending was and
It's not the ending anymore. So it won't it won't be a spoiler when I say
Basically, the whole goal originally of no man's sky was to get to the center of the universe
Which you know you go into a system
The loop was you go into a system you get enough shit to get enough fuel for your hyperdrive to walk to the next system
Over and over and over again. There was nothing else to do. There's no base building. It was literally that
so
The people that actually did grind and put the time into get to the end
You reach the center of the universe and you know what happens go on. You're welcome
Spits you out back in the middle of nowhere. That's it. That's the end
Just spit you out into another solar system. It's nothing. It just spits you out into another solar system
You just carry on. It's just nothing. It's just shit
That was the big ending that he planned. He also said that there would be multiplayer
and you know, but you would never see anyone else because the chances of seeing anyone else would be
Oh, that's great. This is a multiplayer game and you're never gonna play with it wasn't to be fair
It was never advertised as a multiplayer game, but have multiplayer apps
aspects so when he was asked, you know, will you see anyone else and
Who do you play as a human? Are you an alien? What are you? And he was like, well, that's part of the mystery
So when he said that no one would ever see each other because it's you know, an
Incomprehensible
World universe to the human mind you could literally spend your whole time on one planet
And you wouldn't see all of it cuz it's that big as a whole planet just walking around
But obviously you're testing gamers and you don't do that
so, of course two people bumped into each other and they put it on twitch and
yeah, they were both in exactly the same place and
It was either they weren't there or there was like a little light
They were just a little light and there was no interactivity. He was saying you can see each other
You can actually do anything. Yeah, no, there was nothing. There was nothing. Fucking stupid
But fast forward what five six years later and that is a different beast in time
And that is a different beast entirely
Probably how many what?
15 updates something like that all three not one microtransaction in the whole game
Expeditions
All the stuff they've added as I say absolutely free and all top quality. It's free to play now as well
Isn't it? I don't think you actually have to purchase it
I don't think it is the confusing thing to me is and what I've never understood who's funding this
I think I reckon it's them for saying fucking sorry. It's it's almost like um, they're doing the exact opposite to what um
cyberpunk did
bring out this game that shit and fucked up and
then actually put the effort into try and fix it and
Yeah, they've they've done some incredible updates and I was reading reading a little reddit thread yesterday saying how much
people respect
uh the creators of no man's sky for the the devotion that they've put into that game to try and bring it up from the
Dead and make it into something that's actually worth playing and I think they have succeeded
Yeah, but who's funding it that six years of no money
Who's funding this? There's no microtransactions. I might be doing it for fun. I don't know
What else they got bills to pay nothing. That's their only game no man's sky. There's no microtransactions
They sold a probably a bucket load of games
But that's not sustainable for six years, but it is the perfect money laundering
Type thing what do you mean? You need to launder a load of money make a free game
Pile all the money into that but it wasn't free and if it's free now, it won't even more so maybe money coming from maybe
That's what it is then it was so highly anticipated. That was the business model
Let me hype up this game to its absolute max and say it's the most incredible game you'll ever play
Everyone's gonna buy it. It's then gonna be shit
Your player base is gonna drop to five percent of what it was when people bought it
And then with the money that you've made then make it good again
There's no business model in the world that says let's make a really shit game. Now it sounds mental, but it's working
Yeah, but they're not making money. They must be otherwise. They wouldn't be fucking pumping out for nothing
This is what I want to know. Who's the shadow broker? Who's paying these fools?
I don't know. I don't even know how many people are on this
I don't know
Well, I love it. I've always loved it. It's one of them games whenever there's an update
I'll go back to it and I'm like, wow, why do I stop playing this and I always stop playing it because something new comes out
But funnily enough, I've got twitch on at the moment because they've got twitch drops activated
So I'm getting my free ships that I'm gonna scrap get all my credits. Nice
Um, but yeah, it's the gameplay loop now is it's overwhelming if anything because there's so much going on
I go to do one thing so I'm like, oh I want to build this and I'll go and
Get the materials for it and it'll be like, oh you need this material for that bit
And I'll be like, oh, what was I building in the first place and I'll completely forget and then I'll just go off and do something else
How long does it because because I didn't play that long probably like an hour and a half maybe two hours
When do I get to the point where I'm fucking around in space rather than cutting down?
Cactus. Well, have you did you repair your ship? Yeah, I repaired my ship. All right. I built my little base thing
Uh
And I think now i've got to get more fuel for the for the warp drive again
All right. Yeah, so the first thing I want you to do is repair the ship and then warp out of the system
I guess
Um, have you summoned the space anonymous?
Anonymous
Anonymally, yeah
No, I ain't right. So there's a there's a I don't know what point it would be early on you can summon
um space anonymous fuck sake a space thing
Yeah space the death star you can summon the death star anomaly. Aha. Yeah anomaly
So you literally just press down on the d-pad up on the d-pad or sat in and then bang
Death star comes in and you drive in or fly in the death star bang and it takes you into a multiplayer hub
There's loads of other players running around giving you items and doing quests all sorts of shit
You can jump in quests with other people you can change your appearance you can
You can put little eggs in an incubator and make your own companions that you can ride and there's so much to it
The depth on it is nuts
Um, so yeah, that's when the game will start opening up more
But like I say, i'm I can just jump in with you and just drop you loads of shit and
And show you around and i'm playing it on on this. It doesn't matter
This is fully cross
It's cross play. Yeah
Oh, you know what that means? What are we all playing it on your playstation? Yeah
Yeah, I was about to intertwine the xbox discord. Well, that ain't out yet. That was it. Yeah, but it will be soon
Why don't you just play on playstation? You're not going on playstation. I've got it on playstation
I think i've even got it downloaded on playstation, but
I will have to do a test. Well, you want the ps5 version though. You got the ps4 version downloaded. Yeah
No, I think i've got the ps5 version downloaded just jump on playstation then i'll start i'll start off
We'll get you out that starting. I'm out. I'm i may do I think I think I might because I I want to
I can take you to my freighter and show you what i've built
You you i'll take you to you're grooming me
Well, no, you know, i'll take you to the dark wing
And uh, i'll take you for a walk the dark wing. Yes, what called it the dark wing
Yeah, I didn't give it a really cool name because I don't really like it
So when i've when I can afford a proper freighter, then it will be called light. What do you do with these freighters?
Uh, what what's the point what's the point? What everything it's just to make the game easier
Yeah, but what what's what we're doing is this a sandbox or is there actual narrative?
Yeah, there's a whole story you can follow. There's a whole story you can do. Have you done it?
No, i'm working through it. So there's loads of different things you can do the freighter. I store all my stuff on it
I'm building new rooms on there. So now
I've got a room that extracts minerals from the system that i'm in so i'm constantly
Getting sheets i'm constantly getting minerals and things like that to use to build i've built an exocraft
Uh station so normally when you go down onto a planet
if you want to
Uh ride a vehicle or get in a big mech or whatever it is you want to do you have to put down a geo bay
Um, so you have to build a geo bay and then you can summon your vehicle
I've built something that can make me summon my my vehicle on any planet
As long as my freighter is above that planet or in that system
So i've got room on the freighter that allows that i'm also what i'm currently trying to do is build a uh long range
um
Transporter so if i need because i store all my materials on the freighter so i'm not filled up
So if i want to build something i'm at harbolox it's in the freighter. So i'll fly up get to my freighter come back down
But i'm i'm building something i'm getting the materials to build the item or the room that allows me to just
Teleport whatever gear i need straight to me
So there's all things to just make the the game
More fun. This sounds decent. It is fun. You're always there's always something to be doing
Contraband you can go and find crash freighters
You can we can you can recruit other pilots to fight when pirates come you can as pirates
Yeah, there's pirates come out and attack you
there's um
You can get so now in the one of the most recent updates outlaws. I think it was they added like contrabrand
So if you've got contraband and you get scanned by the authorities
And they find it then you're getting into a fight
But there's like a deflector thing so you can deflect their uh their contraband scanners and stuff
You can build that but all these things are locked behind doing other things which to do that need to do other things
So and there's no like say there's no monetization there and they're very generous
So they also do a thing called expeditions, right?
So, I don't know how many there's been six seven
Every like couple months or whatever they'll do an expedition where it's like completely different save file
You'll start off on a planet and you'll have goals to do and there'll be multiple steps
But every time you do one of these steps you you're rewarded with an item. All right
So you get rewarded with this item and you can finish it and then you get a really cool item
Like they they had the normandy a mass effect. They actually had the normandy freighter you could have right?
You can't get that now because the expedition's gone, but they are revisiting them. So you might be able to again anyway
So when you get these items
They're they're free. You know, I mean you just played the expedition
So in any save file that you do if you go back to your main save
You can go to that. Uh the death star. I said and there's a store there and anything you've earned from that expedition you can claim
Over only once per save file, but it's free. I see you've just earned more stuff
And the twitch drops i'm i'm i'm earning ships and stuff now. I'll just i'll get them later. I'll go in i'll claim them
I'll fly them into a space station and i'll melt them down for scrap. We've just got loads of free money
There's not like oh, you know, are they not going to give you this because that'll that'll bust the game because then people won't spend money
There's no money to be made. So they're not like
So they're not like trying they're not uh, what's the word walling you off of things paywall? Yeah, not paywalling
Yeah, so there's never that egregious. Oh, I have to do this
This is ridiculous because I could just spend a tenner and get it done
Yeah, they're very generous because you're just playing the game. It's just fun. It's just a fun world to live in
Just chill out mine a bit go and shoot some things do whatever you want really. It's just and I love space
So that's my that's why it's lucky for me if you don't like space and it's probably quite boring
I'm gonna have to jump on it, you know
Yeah, you are i'm gonna have to um, because I because i've been playing it on the laptop and i've been quite
It feels quite nice on the laptop. This is this is what i'm doing
I've got quite a lot of games on the ps5
And they're the same games I can get on the laptop
So i'm playing them on both to find out which one I actually prefer I played destiny on the laptop yesterday hated it
Let's not jump ahead. It's just a couple of topics down
I'm not gonna go into it. I was just gonna say oh, okay
anyway
Yeah, I think you should jump on no man's sky
and then I don't think i'm gonna go into it
um
It's
It's very fun. But obviously i've been playing it for a long time
So when I go back on it, i'm like, oh, what the fuck's this and then after a while i'm like, oh yeah
I'm into the swing of it. I don't need to keep thinking
But jumping in now it's probably well overwhelming all the different minerals materials. What do you need for this? How do you craft stuff?
How do you repair stuff? Yeah, but it's so finicky some of the things it's like all right i've crafted this now
There is bits that are like, I don't know what's going on.
I can see why it's overwhelming.
But when you got a space warrior like me at your side,
you'll be fine.
We'll be able to do anything.
Exactly.
It sounds fun.
I suppose I will have to give it a go.
It was very fun.
They've added capes.
What more can you want?
We love capes.
Exactly.
It did look good.
I watched the trailer.
It looked very like graphically.
It looked very good.
And that's not all.
The 4.0 update is coming next month,
or people believe.
And obviously that's the big one.
So you have about 2.0, 3.0.
This will be 4.0.
Was this not a big one that's just happened?
No, these are just the generic ones.
Oh, these are just...
Yeah, there's loads of these freighters, outlaws.
All this content they've just pumped in for free.
For free.
For free, last of us.
For free.
Here's Naughty Dog charging me 70 quid
for something that's fucking already happened twice.
But nonetheless, like I say,
there's plenty of fun to be had
in the stars of No Man's Sky.
So join me, partner.
I will.
Grandad Malfraum here,
as in, employed you to his squadron.
This will be fantastic.
I'm just flicking through on our little list of things
because I haven't actually put it in order.
I believe the next thing is a game called Ash is Reborn.
Now, I've gone on a different little adventure on this one.
As you may know, dear listeners,
we're gamers, in case you haven't got the gist.
And me and Steph decided to venture down
the little wormhole that is board games.
As weird as that sounds.
There's some mental ones.
Have you ever looked at board games?
Like, probably gone in like,
gone in nerd base and had a little look around.
Yeah, Pasco 200 quid Monopoly, mate.
No, fuck you.
There's some nutty games out there.
Honestly, we both admitted that we're like Magpies.
We're drawn to the shiny things.
So if it looks good,
if the advertisement on it is top notch,
then we're picking the box up
and we're having a little look.
And we went down to nerd base
and we scoured the board games in there.
There was actually a little tournament going on.
So if anything, we barged through a tournament
just to look at the fucking board games.
I felt bad for them.
Also, we mention you all the time, nerd base.
Sponsor us, yeah?
I've spent a lot of money in your shop.
I just want some of it back.
Me too.
So yeah, we had a look at the board games
and we found this one called Ashes Reborn
and bought it.
It weren't that expensive.
Well, in my mind, it was for a board game.
But when you look at other board games,
it weren't that expensive.
I think it was like 40, 50 quid, something like that.
Bought it home, took it out of the box,
read the fucking like 100 pages worth of instructions.
Fuck me, there's a YouTube video.
There's all sorts.
They've literally got a YouTube, at the front of it,
it says stop.
If you want to watch the YouTube video
on how to play this, here's the link.
And it was about a half hour long video of how to play it.
And for anyone who doesn't know,
because I don't really know how big this game is in the UK,
because everything I've looked at has been in America.
So our American listeners might actually
know what I'm chatting about.
But it's very sort of similar to Halfstone type vibes.
Where you have your main person,
and then your little army that you're gonna fling out
to do some damage.
You know what I mean?
Like once your army's dead,
your main guy gets attacked,
and the whole premise is once your main guy is dead,
that's it, that's the end of the game.
It's like a glorified chess.
Kind of, but there's the art on it,
and the ability, it came with six different decks,
and they're all fucking, they're all different.
On the instructions, you can have your preset decks.
It'll tell you what to pick, what to choose from.
Or if you really wanna go mental,
you can just jumble it all up
and pick whatever you fucking want.
And it's, I think me and Steph are quite heavy into it.
We've gotten really involved with it, really enjoying it.
Supposedly on the box, it says a game will take 15 minutes,
but our first game took about two and a half hours.
And we've gotten a bit better since then,
and our games still take about an hour to do.
And it's just the strategy behind it
in terms of the different abilities on the cards
that you can use, and it has an effect on this,
and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It was just way more fun than I thought it would be.
Is it cards?
It's cards.
There's no figures.
No, I'm out.
Why?
Well, because I want figures.
There's other ones that there's figures there,
but you've got to paint most of them.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
I didn't wanna get one that I had to paint.
I don't wanna put any effort into it.
But there are, Steph's gonna have a go at me
because I'm gonna call it DLC, and it's not DLC.
It's expansion.
Booster packs.
Decks, booster pack type shit.
That's too large.
You're gonna have to edit that.
And there's like 20 of them.
There's fucking loads of them,
all with different cards and all this different shit.
Admittedly, they're all like 10 to 20 quid each.
It was expensive to buy them all.
But yeah, we've just thrown ourselves into board games.
And I think that if anything,
in the last episode, we talked about a gaming lull.
Ash had pulled himself out with it.
And I was still, I was hunkered down in the lull.
This board game has pulled me out of that
because it was just so much fun to sit down
and play a board game rather than sit on my laptop
or my PlayStation and just fucking stare
at the PlayStation store and get depressed
because there's nothing on there that I actually want.
Nothing's tickling your pickle.
No, but Ash is Reborn.
Is actually Reborn not the name of the Final Fantasy DLC?
I don't know my Final Fantasy.
Well, neither do I.
But I've heard that name before
and it ain't over a board game.
Well, this is, well,
this has nothing to do with Final Fantasy.
You'll have to, it's not your bank,
but you'll have to watch some shit on it
because it's quite fun.
It's an easy time killer because it's just.
Who the fuck is playing board games like that with me?
You think Jem's got time to sit there
playing fucking silly buggers?
Well, apparently if you're good at it, it takes 15 minutes.
You can pump out a couple of games.
Listen, I'm all up for nerdy stuff.
She should be like, are you having a fucking laugh?
At some point, if Steph lets me use it,
we can play a game and I think you would like it.
I genuinely think you would like it.
Yeah, I mean, I like figures really.
There's little markers and shit that you can put on.
There's dice that you have to roll.
Oh, there's all sorts, mum.
Shout out to boy Connor.
Have you ever played Dungeons and Dragons?
That sounds like it'd be right up your street.
I spoke to him about this and he directed me
to a Dungeons and Dragons game that I haven't purchased yet.
I think he was sort of using me as a test dummy
because he said he really wanted it,
but he didn't want to spend the money.
Now, I'm stupid with my money.
Probably hoping I was gonna buy it,
weren't you Connor?
But I haven't.
Yeah, I chatted to him about it.
He's got his own mini making machine, hasn't he?
He's got a 3D printer.
Mini making.
He's got his own mini making machine and he prints them out
and he paints them.
He done me a samurai.
He done me a, essentially, he looks like Jin Sakai
from Ghost of Tsushima.
What a game.
Woo!
Yeah, I've got one of them.
It doesn't do anything.
It just sits on my mental piece
on top of one of the pops looking all powerful and that.
On top of the Jin Sakai pop.
That's the jam, isn't it?
Because originally I said to him, you dickhead.
Originally, if I was gonna play Dungeons and Dragons,
because obviously you create your own character,
your own backstory, all that waffle.
Yep.
I'd 100% be like some sort of fucking Ronin samurai
with a wolf head.
Basically, I'd be that geezer out of Elden Ring.
Elden Ring.
Yeah, blood, blade, blob.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
They pronounce it weird.
Oh yeah, I'd essentially, and this was before that,
so, you know, definitely my idea if anything.
I would love to play Dungeons and Dragons,
but I feel like you need a serious group of people
to play that.
He's got that, he's got them connections.
Has he?
Yeah, he plays it with his pals.
I was gonna play with him before,
but I never got around to it.
I'd be half tempted to do it.
I couldn't be the dungeon master.
I don't think he wanted me to meet his pals.
I was on it him, I was like, yeah, should we, should we?
Why?
He gave me a book to read.
I don't know, I don't think, I don't think.
He don't understand how nerdy we are.
I think he thinks that I'm, I don't know,
I'm not that into it.
I'd be there and I'd be like, what's this shit?
And I'd flip the table or something.
That's because you look menacing.
Well, maybe, but that's not my fault.
What's this hooligan doing on a fucking D and D set?
I was nerdy as the rest of us.
Let's hope.
No, yeah, I, I, I'd be quite intrigued.
Connor, set up.
You said you wanted to see me at some point.
Set it up.
I've never played it before.
Ash has never played it before.
Ooh, ooh, this could be kusty.
Spin off podcast.
Yeah, the Dungeons and Dragons podcast.
Yeah.
The point to what I was saying was that board games are fun.
There's some, there's some decent ones out there
that the art on them and the effort that goes
into the games is, it is very, very good.
And if you're not much of a board game kind of person
just try and find one and give it a little crack.
I used to like Warhammer.
I never really played the game.
I never had an understanding, but when I was younger
I used to collect all the little figures.
I was terrible at painting them.
I made a lot of fucking mockery of it.
Right, we all.
So that's not my forte.
Connor's pretty good at painting them from what I've seen.
But yeah, the Warhammer game itself, very cool.
But then I've been in their shop
and I don't mean no disrespect here.
It fucking stinks.
It's disgusting.
Genuinely, I'm all for nerds.
I am one of you.
I have a bit of personal hygiene about it.
I never go in there again.
Not that particular one.
I won't name it.
He's upset an entire people.
Well, I just had a bad experience.
I'm just saying it's stunk in there.
What did it stink of?
Just bad human smell.
Just man juice.
No, I can deal with that.
Cause I am man.
But it just smelled of.
Maybe it was copious amounts of man juice that stunk.
I don't know.
It was horrible.
I was like, I'm not, I ain't going in here again.
What was he doing in there?
Just looking.
I wanted to look at the figures.
Do you have any idea how expensive some of that shit is?
Yeah.
Fuck.
You know, I used to work with a guy that was heavy into it
and where we worked,
I used to work in a skate park
and he had like an office above it
and they would every weekend do a war hammer.
They had the full set up fucking all sorts of shit.
And he come down and showed me like a catalog once
of all the stuff and showed me how expensive thousands,
thousands of pounds for this shit.
And I said, why don't you just buy a fucking 3D printer?
Put the pile together and put the money in
and just print your own shit.
Cause that's crazy.
Some of this stuff that is mental and the paint is mental.
I admire people that play it.
To be fair though, the 3D printer is good obviously,
but the big bad bucks ones, they're normally metal.
They're not plastic.
Metal?
Yeah.
Metal figures.
Oh, what?
Not 3D printing.
You mean the actual figures themselves?
Yeah.
So if you want the expensive ones,
you ain't going to 3D print them.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah.
But that's where Warhammer differentiates
from Dungeons and Dragons.
Dungeons and Dragons, as far as I'm aware,
and what I've watched on YouTube,
you make your own story.
You make your own character.
It's the power of the mind.
Yeah, you decide who you are.
You don't have to go from some Warhammer guidebook.
You can go like I said, I want to be, yeah,
some fucking samurai wolf head motherfucker.
I can do that.
Warhammer, you're constricted to their guidelines,
whereas Dungeons and Dragons is more the dungeon master
decides the game, the places where you are.
A roll of a dice decides the fate of the choices
put in front of you is what I gather.
There's a lot more to it than that, but yeah, it's cool.
It's cool.
It's like a, it's like a video game in itself,
but more interactive in terms of a physical object
in front of you.
I don't think that some of the games can go on forever.
I'm surprised it's not as, obviously it is popular,
but I'm surprised there hasn't been some sort of boom
about it considering how big Stranger Things is.
There's a stigma attached to it though.
Even in Stranger Things, you can see the stigma attached to it.
Exactly.
The whole fucking world is nerdy.
Most of the world runs on nerds.
Leave us alone.
Which is true, but that stigma is hard to shake
for some people.
I don't give a shit.
Especially when people sit there and go, they stink.
Listen, it was one bad experience.
Absolutely.
I would pay any man to walk in there and go,
yes, I'm happy to stand in this stench.
You wouldn't.
You'd walk in and go, fuck that, it ain't worth the money.
We're going to a Star Wars convention.
Exactly.
And if it's like that, I won't go again.
Cause I've got a weak stomach.
I've got a really shit gag reflex.
So if it's that bad, I'll...
Really?
Yeah, honestly.
I'm not joking.
There was one time, I'll tell you a little story.
It's got nothing to do with computer games.
Go for it.
I was on a work do and I was out with obviously my work pals
and Geezer had had too much to drink.
Not my pal, just Geezer just laying on the floor.
Just thing.
But I'm like, my mate is about five, six paces
in front of me.
All of a sudden he's thrown up.
And I was like, as soon as I see him throw up, I threw up.
Because if I see someone sick, I'm sick.
So what had happened was my mate's walking down the road.
He's seen his Geezer throwing up on the floor.
He's seen that and puked.
I've seen him puke and then I've puked.
So there's a chain of sick.
We were walking down the road, simultaneously kept puking.
Cause he saw me puke, then I puked, then he puked,
then I puked.
And he was like, what the fuck is going on?
I can't help it.
So my gag reflex is shocking.
So if I see someone sick, I'm sick.
If I get a really bad smell, it'll make my gag reflex go,
I'll be sick.
I think we'll be fine.
Well, I fucking hope so.
I won't be going again.
They won't want me there if I puke up all over the floor.
I'm going for the Funko Pops.
Well, yeah.
I want to buy all the little limited edition ones
and then flip them later.
I'm going for all the Star Wars.
Just all the Star Wars.
I don't care what it is, get it in me.
Take your frawn and get it signed.
No, he won't be there.
I don't even know who plays him.
Oh, you know who does, don't you?
You know, Lars Jacobson.
No, he's an ex-Fulham player.
Mads Nicholson.
Is that his name?
You're fucking asking the wrong person here.
I thought you-
Very famous guy, the geezer that was there.
Everyone, what's wrong with you lot?
Everyone I say this geezer to, no one knows him, right?
He's the geezer out of Casino Royale with a bleeding eye.
With a bleeding eye?
Yeah.
Oh, what?
Mads Nicholson, Mads Mickelson or whatever his name is.
I don't know who you're on about.
This has been a pointless segment.
Casino Royale.
Yeah.
James Bond.
Yeah.
Michael Craig.
Yeah.
Playing cards in a casino.
Right.
Royale.
Yeah.
Gaser opposite him.
Right.
Bleedy eye, main villain.
Not the geezer with the diamonds wedged in his face.
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Diamonds are forever.
I don't know what you're on about.
Is there a point to this?
Well, there was, but I forgot what it was.
What does he do?
Oh, Fraun.
I think his brother plays Fraun in the Rebel series.
There you go.
He might be there.
Bang him in and get him the sign.
I'm not taking that down there. It's dangerous.
It's not dangerous though, is it?
Yes it is.
Cause if it gets damaged, I'll attack.
I'll hurt people.
Exactly.
I was going to throw some stigma there.
I'm not gonna.
I'm gonna.
No stigma near Fraun.
I'm tired and I'm volatile.
I'm gonna keep the nerds on my side.
No, I'll bare my fangs today.
I'm hungry, tired.
Tarantula.
Fucking hell.
Where did we go with that?
I don't know.
You went all over the place.
I just followed.
Apologies.
Nah.
Apologies.
Yeah.
Can I talk about Destiny 2 now?
If you want.
I'm gonna talk about Destiny 2.
Okay.
I wanna love it.
Oh no.
I sense a huge but again.
No, there's no but.
There is no but.
There definitely is.
There isn't.
You wanna love it.
What's the next word?
No, there isn't.
There isn't.
I'm not gonna play it on the laptop.
I just can't.
I can't get with it.
I don't feel comfortable doing it.
I feel like there's too many fucking buttons.
A bit of a waste of me linking my Destiny account to it.
When you sent, when you texted me that yesterday
saying I'm downloading on the laptop.
Yeah.
My initial reaction was what a knobhead.
Don't bother.
But I didn't wanna say that because I was tired once again.
And I knew you'd come out with something smart and shmarmie.
So I was just like, okay.
I've been very good with you this week.
I've left you alone.
Cause you, yeah.
Cause I know you've been anxious.
Not, not, not, I was just gonna say anxious.
Aggravated.
That's the word I'm on about.
Aggravated.
I'm just tired.
My body's not used to these late night shifts.
You know what I mean?
I'm not used to it.
So my body's like all confused.
So I've left you alone and I made the decision
that I won't play it on the laptop.
It just doesn't feel right.
It feels more comfortable on the controller.
So I'll continue playing.
I don't wanna hear anyone saying,
oh, I just took up your controller.
Fuck off.
I don't need to.
Also, Destiny's future lies with Sony.
So you're probably best off playing with PlayStation.
Yeah.
Now that they've acquired Bungie completely.
Correct.
They've done that.
I want to love it.
Okay.
I genuinely do.
I can work with this.
Yes.
You might know where I'm going.
I don't wanna be left behind.
They've got a lot of catching up to do.
Now, it's been a while since I played Destiny 2.
A lot of DLCs happened.
I'm way out of the loop.
I have no fucking idea what's going on.
That's fine.
I can learn all that.
I can look into the lore.
That's not a problem.
What is a problem is the price tag set onto what?
70 quid.
What is?
All of the DLC.
No way.
I don't, witch queen.
That's the latest one.
35 bones.
What's wrong with that?
35 bones.
The rest of this shit,
which you can get with the legacy edition,
40, 45.
Let me stop you there.
Okay.
So I got burnt with Destiny's DLCs
because I get confused very easily because I'm thick.
As do I.
So the legacy edition, right?
It does some weird stuff.
I think it gives you like previous battle pass rewards
or some weird stuff.
Yeah, like chapter 16 to 19.
I don't know what that means.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they're like,
so like the quests that appeared at that time.
Yeah.
You know, and some stuff will probably be unavailable
because like whole planets get vaulted
while they bring a new planet out.
Do you know what I mean?
Spoilers.
Well, no, it's just not spoilers.
That's what happens.
They put stuff away to make new stuff
because they can't have it all in the same game.
That's just how it goes.
So they'll take Mars out and they'll put Jupiter in
and they don't, but do you know what I mean?
You get what I'm saying?
So you don't need all that gum.
I suggested last time
and I suggest the same thing this time.
Just get Witch Queen because it's the latest
and it's the best expansion they've ever done
in my opinion.
It's got the best story.
It's got the best rewards
because you can get really high ranked
if you do the campaign on hard, which I'll help you with.
Okay.
Cause you get really leveled gear and that's all you need.
And then if you do the Witch Queen and you're enjoying it
and you're like, you won't be doing it all anyway.
You'll do the Witch Queen, but there's so much to do.
You won't be like, oh, I need more.
But if you do get that feeling,
then go and buy another one at some point.
You don't need it all immediately.
The Witch Queen is plenty enough.
So, so I can get away with playing it
by just having the Witch Queen.
It's not going to make me do it.
You know how they have like a gear catch up type thing.
Cause I know that there's, there's light level on,
on Destiny.
So say, cause I know I saw that when I made a new character
it bumped me straight up to 1350.
Yeah. Everyone gets that boost now.
Yeah. So what you're saying is that I don't,
I don't need to get anything from the old DLCs to be current.
There's not a single thing from any DLC that you need.
You know what I mean?
It's not like, oh, there's really high level gear
in the Shadowkeep DLC.
All the leveled gear is just what drops.
It doesn't matter.
There'll be certain weapons that you won't have access to,
but there'll be weapons that I don't have access to.
There's, and I've got all the DLCs.
There's loads of stuff that has passed me by
that I can't get no more.
But there's also a lot of things that you can get
like exotic ciphers that you can use at the tower
to then buy old exotics that you can't earn in game anymore.
Do you know what I mean?
So let's say I buy Witch Queen now.
I spend some money, which I don't normally do.
False.
And I download that.
I've made a new character.
I made a Titan because I feel like being
Master Chief.
Captain America launching his fucking shield around.
Don't really enjoy it.
I might go back to being a hunter.
Nevermind.
So would you suggest doing the main story?
Oh, absolutely.
I still got to do that.
Oh, well the main story of Destiny.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, yeah, if you want to do it for the story
there's no reason to just do it
unless you want to do the story.
That's fine.
I don't know how much of the story is available
because they got rid of the original Destiny 2 story.
Yeah.
That's called a Red War, I think.
But then there's a place where you can go
and play the old campaigns in the tower.
So you can go back and play them, but I don't know.
It asks me when I made the character and I logged in
it asked me if I wanted to do the legacy campaign
or the other campaign.
I can't remember what it was called
but it said that it was more difficult and blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
Well, if you're just getting it off the rip
and you're going Witch Queen,
I would definitely recommend just going through
the Witch Queen campaign off the rip
because you get really good leveled gear
and they're repeatable missions as well.
So you can play them again at higher difficulty
and guarantee yourself a set.
So the thing with Destiny is your leveled gear drops
normally, depending on what level you are,
it'll drop a couple of levels above you.
But as you get closer to the level cap,
then you have to do specific things to get good rewards.
But you can, I don't know what the state of it is now
but when I played the Witch Queen,
everyone was doing the campaign on hard
because that got you the quickest time,
the highest level possible.
But they've never done that reward system before in Destiny.
So that is the optimal way to play when I played it,
whether it's still the way to play
is at least something to be desired, I don't know.
What I might do is go back to my Hunter,
which has done all the campaign and all that shit
and just start Witch Queen with that.
Because I've got loads of shit on that.
I've got such cool shit on that.
You know what I mean?
Some decent shaders, some decent little hover
by thingy midgeties and some crafts.
Ooh, nice.
Yeah, I'm a big fan of starting a new character
because my geezer looks like an alien.
Now what, so you wanna start a new one?
Well, I wouldn't mind, but I'm happy to just,
I'm a Hunter as well.
But the trouble is I'd like to start a new character
but I don't like Hunters, Warlocks or Titans.
So I don't wanna, I wanna do it all again
to just be a Hunter.
And to be fair, he's always got a helmet on,
so it don't matter.
But he just takes his helmet off in cut scenes sometimes
and like, oh, bro, you're ugly, bro.
There's an option to turn the helmet off.
Yeah, I want the helmet off.
I want it on, he's ugly as fuck.
He looks disgusting.
Why they haven't changed to give you
like a customized appearance option
all these years down the line, he's mental.
I don't know.
But sometimes in a cut scene, he'd take his helmet off
and I'm like, geez.
Have you made a robot geezer?
No, no, he's like blue with white hair.
Or you made an Awoken.
I wanted him to look like Geralt of Rivia,
but he just looks like.
So you thought you'd make his skin blue.
Yeah, he looks like Geralt of Skivio.
So you made an avatar instead.
No, he's gross, bro.
I might show you his face.
It's not pretty.
Okay, well, that can be our little assignment then.
Oh, hold on, what about No Man's Sky?
Bro, there's fucking, you know what?
World of Warcraft got a 50% XP boost at the moment
for the current season.
So there's that as well.
Hold on, gaming, lol.
What's happened to that?
It's fucking gone.
I've also downloaded on the game pass Hellblade.
Hellblade, send your sacrifice.
Yeah.
Because apparently it's meant to be quite good story-wise.
It's very psychological.
Yeah, and I like that.
I think that'll be quite good
because one of the reviews said
this will fuck your mental health.
And we all need that in our life.
So I thought, well.
That don't sound like cricket.
Well, I thought that's intriguing.
Let's have a little look.
So I've also got that to play.
Well, you've come out the blocks.
You've been in that hole.
I don't know what to do.
Honestly, it's ridiculous.
And what's even worse is obviously
I bought the pre-order for World of Warcraft
and it came with the extra months worth of gameplay
because I wasn't currently subscribed.
That runs out in three days.
So I've got another conundrum of,
do I renew it or do I leave it?
You know what I mean?
Put it in the bin.
Can't see what's going on.
It hurts your fingers in your back.
Fuck, it's bad for your health at game, bro.
No, you're just old.
Come to space with me.
But the fault in my mind being that,
no, even if I, even if I,
with this new character that I've got on WoW,
get that to max level,
I'm not gonna do the end game content.
There's no point because there's a,
there's a new expansion coming out in six months.
So, you know what I mean?
That in itself should be enough for me to just sit there
and go fuck it off for six months and then come back to it.
You understand?
You don't understand because you're not addicted like I am.
I'm confused as fuck a lot.
You lost me.
You don't get it?
No, World of Warcraft, good, good for you.
I'm glad you enjoy it.
I just, I don't know, man.
I'm just not in that mentality of,
I have to be in a very specific mood
to wanna go and mine 10 bits of ore
and take them to a vendor.
Don't sit there chatting shit like that.
I'm not, I'm being sincere.
No Man's Sky is literally the whole,
I'm not ripping it.
Don't come for No Man's Sky.
I'm not ripping it.
I'm just saying that that is literally a game
based around mining.
What are you keep fucking staring at?
Oh, it's your phone.
Yeah, well, I'm getting the No Man's Sky drops in,
aren't I?
No, no, I like, I like, listen,
I've shit on World of Warcraft.
I like it.
There was a time when I was playing it
and I said I like it.
The trouble is, why is World of Warcraft not on a console?
And don't tell me how it can't because fuck off.
There's plenty of games that are supported on console.
It can't.
Yes, it can.
Why not?
It just can't.
Why?
You can format a controller to it.
They allowed that.
I don't wanna hear format controls.
I wanna know why.
I can't play it on a console.
Because it's too difficult.
Don't fucking give me all that bollocks.
It will be too difficult to port that over
and all the, let's, let's we forget.
Massive player base they're missing out on, huge.
You played it for about five minutes.
There is so much shit on there that just wouldn't work.
I played it for about six hours.
It just wouldn't work.
It would not work.
ESO works.
But it's separate.
What do you mean?
The PC version.
Yeah.
And the console version.
Yeah.
Are separate.
Are separate World of Warcraft version.
No, it wouldn't work.
Why?
Because fucking ESO is clunky anyway.
You're talking shit.
We know you could do a World of Warcraft version
and then have a whole console player base.
They've been calling for it for years.
People have been wanting it on their consoles for years.
And the closest we've ever got is the controller format.
And no one liked it because it was too difficult.
There have been people that use it
and have done some very, very difficult content
with a controller.
But even they've said, yeah, it's fucking difficult
because there's so much shit going on.
You've played ESO, the actions, the spells,
the fact that you have to change your whole spell bar
to use another set of spells by holding L2
and then fucking pressing whatever.
It's easy.
You hold L2 and press square.
It doesn't work as nice as it should do.
You play ESO and then you play it on a computer.
It plays way better on a computer.
No, what, move your mouse over
and click, click, click, click, click, click.
No, honestly, it wouldn't work.
You're a weapon.
You're talking to a veteran here.
It wouldn't work on a console.
It doesn't need to be on a console.
They've got the player base there.
Do you know how many people they'd be missing out on?
How many people have just got consoles?
Doesn't matter.
There's a reason why the biggest MMOs are on PC
and not fucking consoles
because they just work better on PC.
ESO's up there.
You're telling me they don't work on a console.
You loved it.
You creamed it, you motherfucker.
Their console player base
only makes up less than 50% of their player base combined.
The rest of their player base is on PC.
Oh, only half.
Don't try coming at me going,
50% like making, trying to make it sound small.
That's half you fucking bean sprout.
Out of the millions of players.
You bean, you bean.
What are you talking about?
It's not coming to console.
They won't do it.
I don't want it console.
Let it die, rip.
It's not gonna die.
Muggy little world of war.
Actually, I do think this would be the last expansion.
I don't see how much.
Give me a code for the expansion.
I'll test it out for you, Blizzard.
Yeah, after I signed up for the alpha
and they didn't give me the code for it.
That's bullshit in itself.
I've been playing that game for 13 years.
Thousands of pounds have been spent
in terms of just subscription,
let alone all the extra shit that I've bought.
And they won't give me an alpha code.
Don't respect your time.
It tells me all I need to know about it.
They give it to streamers and shit.
They're obviously gonna talk good about it
because they're being told to and that's about it.
It's just fucking stupid.
Well, when what's the buttons reaches lofty heights,
don't come crawling back, Blizzard.
Well, they'll be dead by then.
Ha ha ha ha.
They won't exist.
So will we.
Ha ha ha ha.
Oh, fucking hell.
Yeah.
Well, what we've been playing.
You're supposed to be saying this.
What have we been?
You've been playing fuck all, huh?
Board games.
We just went through what we've been playing.
I didn't say a thing about what I've been playing.
Well, what have you been playing?
Fuck all.
No, that's false.
I've played a lot of Skyrim, loved it.
Mm.
And then, no man's sky, obviously.
Come out of nowhere with the update
and I was like, bang, let's have a look.
And then I'm drawn back in.
Yep.
And now you're coming at me with Destiny.
You did Destiny last week and then I saw nothing.
So.
You were on nights.
I'll take you with a pinch of salt.
It didn't match up.
By the time you was coming on, Love Island was also coming on
and I had to pick one or the other.
You chose Love Island.
Over a month of investment,
every single night I've been watching this.
I'm not about to miss any episodes yet.
What a load of old.
Destiny ain't going anywhere.
Love Island is for another year.
So this week's homework, no man's sky and Destiny.
Yeah, pretty much.
You're gonna get no man's sky on the console before I leave.
Make sure it's on their PS5 version.
I don't want this fucking ball-acre
trying to connect to a computer person.
I'll just jump in a PlayStation party.
We're away.
All this voice chat or something
we'll have to do one thing or call you.
Just get it on console, job done.
Console master race.
Fine.
Your internet will have it downloaded
in about 18 seconds anyway.
Yeah, to be fair, Destiny was 106 gig,
it downloaded in three hours.
Literally, that would take me the whole weekend.
It was so cool for me to play five minutes
and go, yeah, I'm deleting this.
Yeah.
What a waste.
Crush debuff.
All right, cool.
Well, are you gonna outro us?
Anything else to say?
I don't fuck all else to say, to be fair.
Not enough.
For the next week.
Yeah, well, back next week, I guess.
Yeah, I'm just quickly racking my brain
and making sure there isn't anything else
I wanna say and I don't think there is.
So, oh, actually.
Go on.
If anyone listening has a Balrog Funko Pop
that they're wanting a shift,
don't be looking over there, it's not there.
No, that's what I was gonna get you, wasn't it?
Yeah, but you didn't.
So now I gotta get myself one.
All right, like that.
If anyone wants to sell me one
that isn't north for 60 quid,
let me know, because I'll snap it up.
Yeah, why you mention that?
Let him know via What's the Buttons podcast on Instagram
or the Twitter at What's the Button, no S.
That's so fucking stupid.
Oh, no, it's dumb, but it is what it is.
Anyway, that's us done.
Thanks for listening.
Thanks very much.
See you later.
All right, bye-bye.