Hello everyone, welcome to episode three of What's the Buttons? My name is Rhys and with me I have
Ashley!
Yes, sweet! Um, yeah, we're here for another episode. Haven't got rid of us yet. We wrote our
little list out of what we're going to talk about, um, so let's crack on with it. Fucking, I've said
erm already. Specifically told to watch out for my erms and I've said it twice now.
Erm.
It's not good. Go on. How have you been?
I'm alright, what about yourself?
I'm alright, I'm hot. It's a hot day for us.
It is very hot. 26 degrees.
It's too much. It's too much for us.
For us Brits, it's too much.
We're in a nice cold, I call it an office. It's just my bedroom with styrofoam fucking plumbed
into it to make it sound better.
If you start supporting us we'll get some aircon in here.
I'll get some aircon and I'll get some actual sound editing. I'll be able to lay a carpet down
rather than have little office tiles knocking around. It'll look much better.
We're sweating up in here, come on man.
Yeah, please help us.
A beg. We'll start the third episode with a beg.
Please, we're so hot.
Fantastic. Okay, right. I've locked my phone that had the picture. Okay.
Erm.
Yeah, we were sort of, we weren't scrambling for ideas but we wrote our list. We forgot to
write our list on episode two. We wrote a list out of what we were going to talk about and we
forgot to do it so that's what we've been doing so far.
We was prepared last week. This week we thought, nah, we'll just do it on the day.
Blame it on the heat.
Yeah, yeah, we're too hot.
The heat scrambled us.
Support us so we can...
Get us out of this heat.
...gather our own thoughts.
Erm. I fucking know I've done it again. It's all right, I can cut this out. It's fine.
I've got an article here. Erm, fucking hell, what's going to do about it?
And this is you. This is your fault.
I've got an article here from Metro and a friend called Levi, set out to Levi, sent me this article
and the title is Retro Video Games are a waste of everyone's time and money. Now, I was quite
intrigued by this article when it was sent to me so I'll give it a read. I won't sit here and bore
everyone with the entire content because it's quite a long article but basically it's this guy
that's saying he doesn't think that remakes and remasters and blah blah blah are worth doing
anymore and erm, I'd like to talk about it.
Me too.
Basically, I'm... I thought this would be a good talking point when I sent it over to Ash for him
to give it a read. I knew where he'd sit on that side of the fence. I knew that he would be pretty
much for remakes and remasters. I sloped on the other side. I sort of agreed with probably 65,
70% of what this article was saying and yeah, it's... I'd imagine it's pissed quite a few people
off, whoever's read this article, because it doesn't beat around the bush with it. He literally says
they're a waste of time and it's developers being lazy which I think is a good thing.
Which... is it? Do I agree with that? Do you?
It depends. It depends case by case basis.
For example, it says a quick little bit of it. Remasters are cheap and remakes have a built-in
audience that ensure the game will always be a hit to at least a certain degree.
Where I sit with this is I think that some remasters are decent. He goes on to say that
it's a lazy ploy by games developers to fill a void rather than putting their time and effort into
making a new game. I sort of... I do and I don't understand it at the same time.
I feel like if a studio is working on another game and there's a free four-year gap,
you kind of have to plumb something out to keep people interested if that makes sense or keep
some form of cash flow going. Do you agree? Yeah, I agree but then at the same point,
if you put all them resources into crafting your next IP, then maybe it would be more successful.
But it is touchy. It is a tough one to nail down because there's so many games out there that I
would love to be remade from the ground up. The Simpsons hit and run. Please, if I can just do it.
Exactly. You can't sit on that side of the fence when you've just said that then,
please, please remake The Simpsons hit and run. You've just contradicted it already.
What sparked it is because I spoke to Steph about it and she's an avid gamer. She's probably more
of a gamer than I am where I've always been a Sony-orientated gamer. So, PlayStation, PSP.
You're a Sony pony. Sony pony, basically. I never had an Xbox. Obviously, I had a DS. Everyone had
a DS. That was my first introduction into Nintendo and then it stopped there. I didn't bother with
anything else, Nintendo. So, I would say that someone like Steph who has every single console
and has played pretty much everything would classify more as a gamer than I would. So,
we discussed this and I brought up a point of with The Last of Us being remade. I said,
I don't agree with it. I said that in the last episode. I think that is sort of a
milking it for money type thing because I can't see what... I feel like Naughty Dog are just trying
to fill something. Trying to just put something out there for the sake of trying to get a couple
of quid. I think that one's a very unique case due to the fact that they're doing The Last of Us
series which they've invested a lot of money in with the cast. Pedro Pascal, the girl from Game
of Thrones. I can't recall her name. They've put a lot of money and effort into that and I believe
to try and get Last of Us 1 up to Last of Us 2 standards. It's about 10 years old now. They've
gone for the remake but yes, I agree it's far too early. In that respect, remakes, I don't feel
that's a validated reason but if you're talking about games that are like 30, 40 years old,
you know, loved games from your childhood, then that's a completely different story. But yeah,
Last of Us, you know, is still playable now. That's the problem. It's more than playable now
and if you liked the series or you liked Last of Us 2, you probably would be able to go back and
play Last of Us 1 and not have too many issues. We're talking about games like Knights of the Old
Republic that I've played recently on the Nintendo Switch which was not remade or remastered really,
more of a port and it's so janky and it's so... it's barren and it's... I love Star Wars so I can
get through it but if you're not a massive Star Wars fan, it's probably very boring and you'd just
be like, I don't want to carry on with this. So games like that, that's when the remake comes
into its home and really hits home with a lot of people. But yeah, the Last of Us is like a decade
old man and it's fine as it is. See, I run with the graphics side of it. The nostalgia of an old
game being remade doesn't hold for me even something like Ratchet and Clank. If that was remade
but wasn't up to at least like PS4 type graphics like now, I would find that I'm not able to enjoy
that game as much as I used to. If anything, I think it spoils it a little bit because you
remember it being so fun to play and then you jump on it and it's just not... you're almost deflated
by it. The guy in this article talks about that and says that I think he says that a lot of people
are running with the nostalgia aspect of it as to why they should keep continuing with remasters
and things like that. And I agree with him on this case where he does say that it's...
it relies too heavily on that emotion and people seem to buy into it constantly but I feel like
there's a shift where people like myself are becoming more and more... you see what I mean?
More and more regular with preferring graphics and not being so interested in the nostalgia
aspect of it anymore. Or am I just talking out my arse? I think you're talking shit to be honest with
you. I think you're talking absolute waffle. I'm just pissing people off. Stop making fucking
remakes. Do something else. I do think as a case by case basis like The Witcher 3, my favourite
game of all time. Never played it. Don't stop. It's my favourite game of all time and it's more than
playable. It came out in PS4. It's fantastic. But it's got jank. I'd love them to remake it.
It's too soon to remake it. But then you're looking at Witcher 1. Very old. PC. It's still
playable now. But to play it now you probably have to have a huge interest in The Witcher
or you're just not that fussed. So to remake games like The Witcher 1, Witcher 3 might have been
a lot of people's first Witcher game. Mine was Witcher 2 because it came out on the Xbox. I've
never had a PC. Witcher 1 was PC only as far as I remember. You're welcome. Thank you. You're welcome
for your sword. Thank you. So with that in mind, people jumping into The Witcher 3 going oh my god
what is this RPG? It's amazing. I want to go and play the other ones. It's hard for them to go back
to The Witcher 1 and enjoy it. So if they remake it then it brings a lot of new fans in. You know
what I'm saying? Like Star Wars. A lot of people now are jumping on Star Wars because they're
Mandalorian. And that has snowballed into multiple series and it's spider webbing like Disney does
with its Marvel. So you're right there. Little voice crack. That's embarrassing. So we're leaving that in 100%.
So with that you've got like a whole new generation of Star Wars fans because they're
watching the Mandalorian going I like this. What's the other Star Wars like? They go back and watch
A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back Return of the Jedi. They're going to be like this is waft.
Those first three. Yeah exactly. They were a slog man. They really were. Not for me. No they were good.
They were good but we won't get into that. But you know what I'm saying though? There's a lot of fans
that are now will be into Star Wars but will go back and watch them and be like this is shite.
Exactly. So if they obviously they can't remake films the way they make games they can touch them
up. But with that same concept contrasted and transferred over to gaming then it works because
them old games that people loved franchises that can be rebuilt and a whole new fan base brought in
and enjoy understand where these games have come from. Their history so to speak. Yes. That's made
a good point. Yeah. But like I say you are right though. I'm not saying you're wrong. I do think
the remakes are spinning out of control and there's a lot of games that are just getting remade i.e.
The Last of Us. I know why they're doing it. I see why they're doing it but they could be spending
them resources much more wisely I think. And I think a lot of people side with us on that one.
Now this is what Steph said. She made a good point that when a games developer or even if you
come away from games a business something like that when they've got something that makes them
money that has a following there's no there's not really a massive need to come away from that
because you've got something that's got it's constantly giving you money. It's constantly
popular. Why bother changing it? Keep it as it is and get the most out of it like they're doing
with GTA. They're just fucking keeping that thing going until people stop buying. It's ridiculous.
And I understand that Steph also said that it's a risky business coming away from that model
and investing a lot of time and money into something completely different because it could
flop. It's the type of stuff that it could make or break a gaming studio if they invest a lot of
money and a lot of their resources into a brand new game it comes out and everyone goes this is
shit and then they go under and I said more studios need to need to do stuff like that.
There's a lot of games that are very samey. They obviously take inspiration from other games to a
point where it's borderline just fucking copying and I feel like there isn't enough gaming studios
that take that risk and invest a lot of time and effort into something that's different to
what's going on at the moment. You see what I mean? Yes, yes and that's why I think a lot of
people are going IE Bethesda. They want income. They want an income to IE Fallout 76 ESO. They
want these because they see Grand Theft Auto Online. Grand Theft Auto Online originally as far as I
remember was it GTA 4. It first came out it was a bit waff but people love GTA. It's one of the most
popular games in the world and you'll get young kids play it. You'll get I've spent hundreds on GTA
5. Exactly, exactly. So that then subsidizes anything they want to do. So people want to get
that little side piece going on Bethesda. The great storytellers, the RPG. They get that little
side piece going on then they're sustained for as long as they please and they can go and try these
other projects IE Starfield. Obviously they've been bought out by Microsoft now. That's why I
bought an Xbox. Unlimited money now. Exactly so it don't matter no more. Yeah we can do whatever we
want. If it flops it don't matter. We'll just be propped up by Microsoft. Just fine. Exactly but
you know what I mean? So I see why companies do it. Look at Clash of Clans. Look at the mobile
genre. Look how much money Clash of Clans need. Oh Christ. It's mental. Yeah. So people are looking at
you know it's just an income a constant income of money all day every day. Same with
all them other multiplayer games on the phone like Candy Crush. Diablo Immortal. Exactly.
Exactly. So Blizzard have gone ah look at all that money we're missing out on. Yeah let's go and make
a load. Exactly. So I see why companies do it. It makes sense. Piss a load of people off. But yeah
but I don't know why we're talking about this instead of instead of remakes. How do we get on this?
I don't know. Fuck.
Fuck. Right off the top. Before we had pressed record we were like yeah we've got a couple of
good talking points. We'll beef them out. This is us beefing it out. See it happens naturally.
Beefy beefy beefy. Okay we've got a different one then. The release date for God of War Ragnarok.
We've got it and we've seen the collector's edition and the oh I'm gonna sound like an absolute muppet.
The collector's edition which you said you would give toes legs for you'd finance. And what was
the other one? I'm not gonna say it. You can say it. The Yodnar edition. Yodnar. Yeah they came out.
There's a there's a video from Sony of it being unboxed with Thor's hammer and there's dice and
there's a little leather fucking cloth mat thingy. Oh oh it was it was about 10-15 minutes long. I
watched it all and I was I was wetting myself in the process. There's there's not a massive
difference between the collector's edition and the Yodnar edition. We don't have a price yet.
I was excited by both. Ash was looking funky. He wasn't that excited actually. You weren't was you?
Um. You said the hammer looked waft. Yeah the hammer. They are my exact words I think.
I thought the hammer didn't look that great to be honest with you. I'm like I said to you I think
it's all in the weight. If the if it's weighty which they said it was um then I think it's got
a lot more hope but just the general aesthetic of it it's not really doing it. You aren't a fan of it.
What I do like is the steel bookcase with a wolf on it because you know me. People are angry about
that. Have you seen that? No. Why? People are angry about it because it doesn't come with the disc.
Ah yeah. No I did see that. Yeah well I agree. It's it's ridiculous but we're moving away from
physical copies now aren't we? Unfortunately um even me an avid physical buying collecting guy.
Even I'm just got to the lazy point of just buying so many games digitally. I promised myself I'd
only do it with FIFA and Call of Duty's because they're annual and I thought I don't give a fuck
if I don't want to collect 20 Call of Duty's and 20 FIFA's so but with like games like God of War
and stuff like that I think I've got them on physical but certain games I definitely want to
buy physical. They did it for um the digital PS5 market. Obviously if you're releasing the
collector's edition the Yacht-Know edition you've got a disc in it so no use to someone who's
who's got the the digital PS5. I agree with what they've done even from an environmental point of
view saving waste there but like most people said the the the steel case is is display. If you're
playing the game the disc is in the fucking PlayStation anyway. You know what I mean? You
you you want it for the case not the disc. Stop fucking whinging is what I'm saying. It's a disc.
It is a disc. So are you buying the Yacht-Know edition? That's what everyone wants to know mate.
You talk you got big bollocks. I'm getting this. I'm doing that. I'll give on my toes. I'll finance.
I said what you're saying? He was like I'm not too sure so I don't want another apology coming
already because it sounds to me like you're bottling it. I um he's bottling it. I'm not
bottling it at all. I need I don't I want to see the prices of it. Why? Why? You said three grand
you'd finance it. I'm not saying that. I want to save any money on it. I'm going to get
either of them. This is not what you said. It is however I uh if if for the stuff for the stuff
that's in the collector's edition and the stuff that's in the Yacht-Know edition the obviously
you get the wooden figures in both you get different dice in the Yacht-Know edition to the
to the collector's edition you get you've got the Dwarven dice set yeah collector's edition and
you've got the Brox dice set yeah in the Yacht-Know edition Brox being the little dwarf that does the
weapons yeah yeah there'll be people buying both editions just for the different stuff what else
is on there there'll be people buying it just to fucking sell it on you little rats your little
scuffing fuckers you're guaranteed if you go on eBay now people will be selling it and they haven't
even pre-ordered quickly quickly if you've got it up quickly tell me what's in what's in the
collector's edition what's the what's the difference i well i can't work out a difference
because it's a pain but you can collector's edition steel book display case no game disc
included yeah it's hard to see because it's really small two in vanir twins carvings yeah the little
carvings knowledge keeper's shrine i think that's the box it comes yeah yeah Dwarven dice set yeah
16 inch horn in a replica i don't know how to say that fucking name the hammer the 16 inch hammer
massive hammer yeah uh downloadable content as well yeah i can't really read it dark dal armor
dark dalax grip dark dal blade handles you get the vinyl with the Yacht-Know edition that that
that there's a little vinyl soundtrack there dark dal cosmetic i think attire uh full game for ps4
and ps5 avatars set dark horse digital mini art book playstation theme which is useless useless
on the ps5 official god of war ragnarok digital soundtrack right yacht-know edition here we go
all that bollocks plus idrisil cloth map i know how to say idrisil look at me do you know what
you do you know what idrisil is yes but explain it haha he ain't got fucking clue he ain't got clue
go on do you not know no not on the hazard a guess no i don't it's the um in fear it's the world tree
it's the it's the tree the tree of life i guess so i'm gonna sit here and i'm gonna say i sound
i sound i i feel thick now because i did know that yeah but i'm massively into like vikings and all
that yeah i have a habit of playing games you're not actually paying attention to what's going on
yeah he was an mmo fan that explains everything skip skip skip skip where's the thing i've got
to hit and click 20 off fuck off tell me i ain't true right yeah so all that crap idrisil cloth
map you get as well um legendary bropnir ring this guy needs glasses he refuses to wear them he
couldn't get closer to the screen i don't have to go on my vision i just get headaches you ain't
be able to read this it's too small i don't know how to zoom in on computers i'm new remember
falcon bear and wolf pin set yeah the pins look cool they do look cool are you a fan of the pins
can you see them well yeah but i'm only interested in the wolf obviously i know you would be seven
inch oh wait vinyl record music by bear mccready yeah and that's it i think is it uh yes mom i
think that's it yeah that's about it and all that digital stuff and we have crap so so the
difference is the map the dice the ring the ring the pins and the final and the vinyl oh yeah
so yeah yeah the now i have no use for the vinyl the pins i have zero use for what i'm trying to
say is the difference between the collector's edition and the yachtnar edition the items that
are in it i'm trying to decide whether or not i want to bother don't fucking smile don't look
at me no no you're trying to justify you're trying to justify your bottle in prices no i need to see
the prices before before before i did because 320 quid yachtnar edition said it right here right now
320 bones english sterling yes you're doing it yes i think i genuinely think it's going to be
about i don't think it'll be that much if there's a if there's a if if the collector's edition is
for argument's sake 150 quid it'll probably be more than that but let's say it's 150 quid
and then the yachtnar edition is 320 quid i'd find it whether or not i would do it or not but
i would find it difficult to hand over that amount of money for an edition that the extra things it
gets you i'm not interested i'm not interested in vinyl i'm sorry to anyone who listens to vinyl
i know my good pal toby does but it doesn't mean anything to me i don't give a fuck about it
fuck you toby i'm not starting this shit you know i mean stuff like that it will unless i can find
a place to put it and have it on display it means nothing so if it's an extra 150 200 quid for that
you see what i mean i'll find it difficult to pay for that because it's it's sort of well what's
the point we need to get one of them sound bites in where just insert it here when he's like i don't
care what it is i don't care what's in it i'll pay any amount of money take all my legs take my toes
korey i don't need them luckily i'm the editor on this show so that won't be coming in that is lucky
ain't it but i do believe it's a sound bite i'll be honest with you it's not difficult you go back
to episode two and you'll hear him fucking jamming on about how much you'll pay you don't care i i
yeah i probably will i'll have to see i'm not joking i don't care you know i understand isn't
if you're just sat here for five minutes ripping me to pieces about it it's funny isn't it listen
if you don't if you if you don't want all that jazz then then then it ain't worth it is it but
the thing the way i see things like this i mean i don't want i don't want fucking dice i don't want
steel case i don't want none of that shit but i like to have the items because one day if i'm skin
i'll go i can sell this i never would but i like to have everything if like you if if there's the
best version of something i want that i want it yeah i'm the same whether or not i go ahead and
do it is another matter so i understand what you're saying and you know we're gonna play god of war
ragnarok and that's mainly what really matters you know the hammer and all that's cool and i know
he'll get the hammer and i know it's gonna go on the desk with all the other weaponry that's gonna
go on the desk along with along with the the replica axe that's made out of real wood and steel is
beautiful is beautiful i'm giving i'm giving the leng dog access to the uh what's the buttons
instagram because i'm not very good at that so i'm sure you'll start posting pictures like that
i'll put a picture up of it as we as we promised we were doing the first episode and completely
forgot about it when we when we stopped recording well i didn't think anyone was gonna fucking
listen to be honest with you and then about 800 of you fuckers come out of nowhere
started listening yeah started listening that mental mental yeah that's that's a bit
that's a bit crazy it is crazy yeah well yeah let's say thank you to the people that have listened
because it has gone thank you to everyone that's listening we've said it before on our on our little
host it's got a map of where everyone's listening america is just fucking red hot spoiling there's
just so many people listening over there so thank you to everyone and thank you to everyone who's
not listening america and listen and is listening anywhere else yeah just thanks for listening
really we just thought we'd have a laugh and and have a go and um regardless of anything comes a
bit of a labor of love really just you know a little hobby we both like games both like talking
shit to each other so if we want we talk shit on put it on the internet yeah have our own little
cozy corner of the interweb where a bunch of other weirdos can come and listen and laugh so
yeah thanks thanks for uh all the support couldn't have said it said it better myself
could have said that sentence better though what that what you just said
you're an odd one listen god of war release date ninth of the 11th 2022
is that right or is it the 11th of the ninth it would be the ninth of the 11th right yeah they
they spin it around yeah so no it will be the ninth the 11th uh that is a wednesday yeah that's a
wednesday so it's a working day i'm half tempted to not come in to work yeah to work just so i can
play it yeah that's what i was going to ask you obviously i won't be doing that you know the days
of me doing that are gone because i have children and even if i book the day off i won't be able to
play it anyway so it makes no difference to me but this is true had i not have children and i lived
in another alternate universe i'd 100 be booking this day off 100 yeah i might i run the risk of
booking it off it coming out and me blitzing through a lot of it really quickly i kind of
want to savor this i think it's gonna be a long game the first one was very long shockingly long
i wasn't expecting it was long wouldn't it very long after my fourth attempt of playing it i have
the platinum i don't have any platinum so i'm not interested in achievements well neither am i
any game that i really really care about i'll try and platinum having said that i've never
platinum the witch of three but that's because of the fucking stupid headshot one you got to do
with a crossbow you can't hit them it's ridiculous what stupid trophy to put in try hitting someone
with a crossbow let alone in the head come on man ash does a nice thing where he told me before
where if he thinks a developer has done a really good job of a game he feels obliged to get the
platinum for that game as a nod fucking my voice cracks one more time it's ridiculous as a nod i'm
25 why is my fucking voice cracking silly anyway he does it as a nod to the developer a little thank
you and i respect it i just can't be asked to do it and i probably won't ever do it i try i mean
there's a lot of games that i do really like and i'd like to do it but come on man sort your trophies
out they're ridiculous you know at least make them like enjoyable to get i mean i've probably
slogged through some like even spider-man a lot of that was just a slog it's so boring after a while
swinging around the city you have the binding of isaac binding of isaac yeah yeah that's one of the
hardest platinums in the world to get yeah that difficulty rating up way oh we on the ones and
twos fantastic that is a toughie yeah i don't know how i got that i just played that for far
too many hours um i think that was my first ever one actually you know i mean god of war was second
and then that really sparked me in then i went and got spider-man and then i went and got days gone
and yet you won't give world of warcraft to go the amount of achievements in that is incredible
and horizon zero dawn that game that you didn't like yeah but i platinum'd it and the game that
i loved but didn't complete we didn't complete horizon zero dawn no what if you played forbidden
west no oh why is it so spicy i was tempted to get forbidden west but then i couldn't i said to
myself i can't buy that if i haven't completed the first one and i can't be asked to go back
and do the first one didn't that come out pretty much bang on the same time zelda and ring yeah
rip yeah it came out i think it was like i think it was like two days before elden ring or something
like that didn't horizon zero dawn come out exactly the same time as another massive heavy
hitter last time i think so they haven't they haven't really nailed the whole release release
dates but yeah elden ring came out basically the same time as as um forbidden west and engulfed it
but the two completely different games was horizon zero dawn the first one obviously because that's
the name of the game that i've just named yep did that come out at the same time as zelda breath of
the world uh did it i don't know i'm not i'm not i'm not as elder you're not as well oh zelda uh
yeah it did yeah it did yeah but they're different though it doesn't matter they're still
massive heavy hitting open world bang bang bang elden ring you know genre defining really put
from software on the map of as we spoke of and zelda completely changing up their formula and
going bang you know he's changing open world games forever and horizon has dumped itself right in the
middle of both of them yeah well backfired didn't it well or did it because it's still popular yeah
but it's nowhere near as popular as it should have been yeah i i was excited for it and just yeah like
i said i haven't completed the first one so i couldn't in all consciousness play the second one
i'm not as much of a fan of horizon as everybody else i i got swept up in the hype i bought it
the second one for bid and west and uh yeah it's pretty much more of the same obviously
did you yeah yeah i got it i got it i played it for a bit but the the problem is with horizon both
of them what i find i'm just not interested in the characters i'm not interested in the story
i find it i just find it boring it's not for me i like the gameplay i like sneaking around
firing arrows at robot dinosaurs i mean who wouldn't but the the the actual story is just
snoozy for me so so if that ain't pulling me through then there's a lot there's a lot of
cutscenes and dialogue as well if i'm not interested then i'm just like yeah skip
so i think that's the problem for me with horizon games yeah that's fair enough that is fair enough
i've completely lost track of where we was what we were talking about if i'm honest before we
went off on this tangent the release date of being the uh ninth of november yeah and if you're gonna
book the day off i'll book it off why not it'd be a giggle and i'll book it off and i probably
won't even get a chance like not not say won't get a chance like i'm busy anyway i probably just
won't play i'll end up doing something else we were saying how long god of war one was actually
god of war one was surprisingly long yeah um and then you went off on platinum and bloody blah
so god of war two i'm i don't know if you're even aware but they did say that um this is going to be
the last one so there's there's no they're not going down the trilogy route good good leave it
leave it bring out this one it's going to be the best game ever made wow it just will be sure
what do you mean sure no i agree with you sir probably hopefully what do you mean high pitch
voice that's you talking shit i'm just trying i just don't want to be monotone so i'm just trying
to go up and down up and down leave it let it come out let it do its thing maybe a dlc and then just
leave it alone we don't need any more you don't want god of war battle royale oh don't need any
of that shit you know you know i mean just but i i don't think we have to worry about it they're
not gonna start dragging it will this spark a trend for games not doing the trilogies anymore
leave them alone some of them most of them don't require the trilogy if you say god of war one's
like 40 hours yeah give or take yeah and then god of war two 40 hours 80 hours for a complete story
you know you go and watch your you go and watch lord of the rings trilogy you're looking at what
155 hours because that goes on for fucking ever well that's not true is it so you go and watch the
lord like it yeah lord of the rings yeah no obviously exactly lord of the rings trilogy you're
looking at what probably like five six hours i don't know if you're doing the special cuts what
all of them five or six hours lord of the rings trilogy yeah you're mad it's longer than that so
say they're like two hours a piece longer than that well they're not that much longer are they
the point i'm saying is 80 fucking hours for god of war as a full story or 10 hours for the lord of
rings trilogy you know 10 hours you don't like it you don't need you don't need to have another
game but the trouble is if the game's so good that this is where it gets awkward because people will
be like but i want more god of war you know people will win of course people will win no
matter what they do people will have their cake they'll eat it yum yum yum and then the fat
fuckers will go up and they'll want another slice but there aren't any more slices just i love victoria
sponge that's my favorite cake i don't even ask but that's my favorite this is crazy my favorite
cake red velvet what the fuck is that red velvet chocolate or yeah red velvet cake what you've
never had red velvet no or carrot cake never had red velvet no no victoria sponge yummy battle royales
we're going off on a completely different fucking tangent here god of war battle royale kratos drops
in with our trails on the world sir ignore the god of war battle royale the viaphanax is swinging
everywhere i saw an article again everyone's emoting boy i've been reading articles all over
the place apparently the apex legends community are not happy and there's talks of them boycotting
the game in august known as it's called no apex august love that that's a very good name i don't
know how they come up with they've worked hard with that one that's decent uh essentially on on
the xbox platform there's there's bugs that aren't being addressed and people are taking it into
their own hands and they're going to boycott a game that is free it's delicious i love apex legends
doesn't seem like an effective way to the community or not all the community but some of the community
are annoyed that they feel respawn aren't listening to them or acting quick enough to fix the issues
hence the reasoning for a possible boycott here we go apex legends love hate relationship with
it myself i enjoy it it's a good game i play it's the same with all the battle royales it's the same
with all multiplayer games i'll go bang i'm all over this this is the only game i'll ever play
again and then after a month and i'll fuck this destiny i'm done we're gonna talk about that
actually i'm gonna talk about that so you watch your tongue it's coming it's coming
don't spoil it sorry um don't spoil what you didn't know you were spoiling um yeah apex legends
cracking battle royale i think it's great i like everything about it pretty much but uh yeah i this
i can't speak on the problems i don't know any of the problems the trouble is there's a there's a
youtuber i watch called uh do you know i'm not gonna plug you we're massive now pay us for plugs
no he's called gaming merchant he's very good he's massively massively uh good at the game
mental really he was saying that his videos haven't been doing so well lately and i looked
through some of the comments and a lot of people are saying that people are losing interest in apex
because in the last four or five months they've been on top of battle royale they've been since
nick murks went over from caller duty to apex they really spiked and then they had really good
season with no problems but i think right now their latest season where they introduced the
new rework rank system it's pushed a lot of players away pushed me away you know because
i was right back into it is very frustrating what did they do uh so they changed the amount of points
you got so have you ever played ranked on apex well you played with me yeah because you screamed
at me yeah probably sounds about right your shit remember when you screamed at me on world of
warcraft he was like why can't he do the thing well why can't you do the thing on apex i mean i
was playing apex before you were i was gonna say so why are you so shitty then because i hadn't
played it for ages and you come crawling to me going we need a firm man to help us and so i come
in because because there are there is no one else we have a very limited number of friends and he
came begging on his knees and he said can you please help us and i come on i weren't helpful
at all and i come off he made me quit the game i have that effect so bad i will never play it again
scarred me i got a bit better i got new castle and i was doing a few and then just got bored with it
i'm joking he was all right to be fair carry on um yeah so the rank the rank mode so you get kills
you get points you go up divisions essentially uh if you shot someone and then your teammate
kills them you'd get an assist point if you killed them within the last 10 seconds or you'd hit them
within the 10 seconds they've been killed uh since they've been killed or something like that
anyway they changed it also it's like regardless of whether you put any hits on you're still getting
points but then they lowered the amount of points you were getting unless you reached the top 10
so you say you had it was harder so you get more points for kills before all right so if you went
out and fragged out and you got 10 kills you're getting loads of points now if you get 10 kills
and you finish you're the 15th squad you you're negative so you're going to get demoted essentially
so you have to get into the top 10 as well so that's supposed to encourage stop people just
dropping killing everybody and not really caring about what else happens but all that's done really
is encourage camping so now everyone just hides until they're in the top 10 it's just like fortnight
yeah it's just not it's just not enjoyable anymore and like say i can't speak these problems this no
apex august from what i understand has nothing to do with that but yeah apex in itself i think is a
really really good battle royale very difficult to get good at um which obviously puts a lot of
people off that's also another reason a lot of people are probably being turned off by it because
all the people that are getting pissed off with ranked that are really good at the game are going
i ain't doing this no more so they're going into public matches and just pubs just slaughtering
all the people they just want to have a nice little chill go and that sounds fun yeah exactly
so uh yeah i don't think this is the reason for no apex august but i guess it certainly isn't helping
i got a weird relationship well i i agree with everything you've just said i got a weird
relationship when it comes to apex it was it's a battle royale man i i liked battle royales i was
very good at h1z1 me and mark absent don't you he's giving me a look i bet i'm not he's getting
emotional he's getting upset about it so we we we've we've said that we're still well asher said
that he had stopped saying i don't want to go out and get upset about it's just a joke you know
yeah it's all right fuck mark well i didn't say it back to it i loved battle royale i played
fortnight when it first come out like i said h1z1 me and mark were we were very good at that first
season i was in the top 0.1 percent of players for h1z1 got an email and everything well done i was
decent with it i was very decent it was out of something like 15 million players no way no
honestly no i promise you i bet they haven't even had 15 million players now yeah nah of course they
at the height of it it was it was popular it was it was it weren't popular for long but it was
popular and apex legends come out hold on was that not like a mod for dayz or something yeah yeah
and then they turned it into like a full-on battle royale released it on on so let me get this right
okay i don't know but i know that dayz is a mod that was spawned from armor right yes so h1z1
was a mod on dayz so is so h1z1 is a mod of armor modded from dayz yeah modded into and it was that
good that they turned into a full-on game and the ui and everything was horrible and the graphics
were shit sounds like dayz but it was it was very fun it felt good to play and anyway apex legends
come out there was pubg thrown in the mix somewhere but they were very long games 45
minute games with fucking two kills and then you get popped at the very end very annoying
pop pop that is so loud i saw it jump i saw him jump a little bit
he jumped that was so loud oh we might have some no some people have been saying that the audio is
too quiet for people who are listening on the train and stuff like that sorry jay so so maybe
the the heightened the heightened volume will help him out i got tears in my eyes seeing him
jump in his chair scared the shit out of me i've got a headset on and i'm sweating
buy us aircon please we need it buy aircon sponsor us do whatever it is you can and we can get some
fucking cameras on so you can see this mug jumping about apex legends come out and at first i hated
the idea of it i didn't want to play it and then i played it realized it was it felt exactly like
titanfall 2 and i thought this is the bollocks loved it spent a lot of time on it now was it season
13 is that right i think it's higher than that is it i believe so i believe it's in the double digits
yeah i definitely know it's there i i don't really care about he's only got about four legends about
them boycotting apex legends it doesn't really bother me i don't really play battle wars anymore
i think he hates battle i think they're getting stale i think the the the ship has set sail
and there's only so much more they can do with it when you when you really think about other than
ranked mode it's you know what i mean it's just team deathmatch over and over and over again even
if you pepper it with events every couple of months i think eventually it's going to slow down
it's gonna it's gonna not die but i think there's only so much time and i would be very interested
to see just how much effort would go into them if it didn't have skins that you could buy whilst i
agree with what you say to you know some degree i find it hard to take you seriously when you're
saying battle royales are getting stale when you'll happily go and collect 10 sheep pelts 50 times
in world of warcraft to get 10 xp you know you can't say that battle royales are getting stale
yeah this discussion yesterday when you do the most monotonous tasks over and over again no i am
waiting for the next expansion on whale to go and collect more sheep pelts and then bang 10 enemies
and you haven't given well long enough time to have it's mmo that's what they do no yes no yes
you you haven't even done pvp on that do you even know what pvp is no player versus player you
haven't even pvp is in that world yet ridiculous come fight me in a crucible on destiny you're
don't get me started on destiny i'll 1v1 you on anything this man on this oh oh it's gonna be
my favorite game i'm gonna i'm gonna dedicate all my time to it none what was it witch queen we
haven't finished talking i said we'll talk about that what i say what's your tongue boy boy well
maybe now's the time that you fucking talk about it no oh we're just sitting inside no we're talking
about battle royales i think they're going stale i think that there's too much time being invested
in but i'm sour and i'm in that kind of mood today to just fucking annoy most people his voice
cracked again it's because i'm nervous because people are gonna get angry at me no one's getting
angry at you i wouldn't allow it i just think that it's it's yeah my opinion is invalid anyway
realistically no one gives a fuck no one gives a fuck what i think either so i worry about it
battle royales are stale i agree but then you can come with that any way you want any you know any
multiplayer game it's the same you know halo you got you know the multiplayer combat arena shooter
team death match capture the flag there's only so much you can do with it so when they try and like
what's the word uh put some varying degrees of different modes in i guess battle royales they're
probably the richest for variation but then like you said in the last episode they just poach it
all the all the things off each other so now all the battle royales have got missions in like call
of duty put in now call of duty's got redeployed beacons that came out of apex you know and
respawn from call of duty has gone into fortnight and you know they're all sharing their their um
their designs and i think it is for the best but there is there is something about battle royales
that is really really addictive but they're not sharing they're just thieving yeah they're just
nicking each other's ideas you took out you took our redeployed beacons so we're gonna take your
respawn machines yeah it's the same thing by the way no redeployed beacons where you go up in the
air and fly off or respawn where you can respawn your teammates i've been out the game so i apologize
far apologize we're gonna be another apology yeah apologies thank you yeah sorry welcome right yeah
all right so what we've been playing i guess is what i was gonna say uh i haven't yet but i am
ready to jump back into destiny 2 why are you giving me that look
okay because it's where has this come from i don't know i'll tell you where funnily enough
i woke up at an ungodly hour this morning because i have to go and do a job work and when my alarm
went off i opened my eyes and i sat there and i thought i'm gonna play destiny tonight and that
was it that is where that came that was it that's where it came from so i'm gonna play destiny
tonight however it probably won't happen tonight which means it might never happen again because
after our discussion i don't know if we discussed this on here actually i think we just had this
privately not because you know there's any reason to have it privately just went on here i've i i
started playing detroit become human yesterday one of the one of the one of the decent games is out
there i am not one for them i i find them boring he fucked it up no i didn't i find them boring i
don't really like the decision making you know what is it the quarry the what's the other one
oh there's loads there's loads yeah i don't know they don't really jam with me the uh and
thodogy yeah i've got one of them just because it was on playstation all of them they're all very
good sorry odd very fun me and mark play them together religiously oh you're right fuck you
mark stop saying that he's gonna get upset i'm not getting a blame yeah okay carry on anyway
yeah i've been playing detroit become human and um yeah stories good man i i feel sorry for them
androids i haven't got very far in it i told you yeah but i didn't i told you i didn't think
them stories were were for me i don't know they're very good you're you're an emotional man i know
and and this is what i said to jen last night i just said my wife's name on the air
she doesn't listen to this anyway so it's not about that i want to keep my private life private
but anyway oh no it doesn't matter so uh yeah early on it's not really a spoiler because it
happened well early but then there's this like evil man and he's like horrible to his kid and
and he's like and he whacks her bro and i'm saying to jen i was like i can't i can't yeah it's not
good i can't play this because give me the option to kill him because he's dead now i'm not he can't
be doing that so uh we managed to get away and i'm interested i just want to see where the story
goes man because they've got away and then he gone back to that geezer in the wheelchair i'm pushing
him about painting his son's coming in he's a bit of a druggy it's interesting i want to see where
it goes i want to see who stays alive and all that so i'm interested i'm going to see how i get on
with that that's that's fun and i'll apologize time for me i guess uh yeah i'll take that on the chin
and go yeah it's pretty good it does it does it does hold you very well very very well better than
life is strange i think yes see my problem is i don't know about life is strange but the quarry
and whatever the other one is i can't remember they're like the same aren't they they're like a
bunch of school kids go out on holiday and yeah it's well over the top you know this this android
thing this seems like a potential future like an android that does your cooking and your cleaning
and all that you've got robot hoovers now you know it's proper story is that that that's there we
keep saying the quarry because we both of us can't remember the names of the other games so we'll
keep saying the quarry it's not dead by daylight is it what's it no it's not dead by daylight i
don't know i don't know what is it ridiculous what is it then one of them fuck it we'll keep going
with the quarry they they're they're designed to to make you jump to scare you to to be over within
20 30 hours if that whereas detroit become human very much captures your your emotions your heart
the choices that you make even very from from the very beginning but certainly as you progress into
the story you you gain an attachment and a relationship with the people the the characters
that are in this game and yeah the choices that you make they they they matter to well they matter
to me anyway yeah it's a grounded story it seems you know and as i said it doesn't seem like it
doesn't seem like an impossible future to some degree no and yes interest has captivated me a
little bit speaking on things that we've been playing also i played uh guardians of galaxy and
you finished it i believe i finished it forts so so fucking good this is a game that has slept on
far too much it was overshadowed by the by the marvel game and that being horrendously shit
so i think a lot of people saw guardians of the galaxy and the game and thought i won't bother
giving that a go i was a victim of that as well i watched some of the gameplay on it and thought
that looks strange so you're telling me i can play all of them but i can only play one person but i
can use everyone's moves and blah blah blah it was a it was a a a fighting style that i'd never seen
before so i was turned off by i thought i'm not gonna bother anyway fast forward to having the
xbox game pass obviously that's on it downloaded it it is one of the best games i've played i
fucking love it i absolutely love it it is a movie that you can play it is incredible it yeah i've
completed it i was addicted to it it's very fun the skins you can get the the dialogue just the
way that that the characters are their behaviors it's a very fun game to play it's one of the very
few games where i've i've sat there and genuinely laughed at some of the things that have been said
and that doesn't happen very often when it comes to actual games making me laugh so it's good
yeah we've lent doggy dog barking that down at me last week i'll give it a go i've got xbox now
downloaded myself and yeah i echo that although i will say the combat bores me i think the the
strength of guardians is definitely the story because i have never i'm i won't say my exact
age but i'm i would say i'm a middle-aged man um you know i'm pushing 40 i'm kicking his doors down
i'm not saying much because i really can't be bothered to edit anything out i say
important so i'm pushing 40 let's put it that way and i've been gaming since i the first game i
think i ever played was like nes so like we're talking like mario 2d so i'm gaming you know
probably not far off 30 years i've never laughed as much as i have in any game as much as this has
made me like it's crazy funny man throwing any option to piss rocket off i'm picking it yeah if
i can fry him across a cavern i'm throwing him he's getting fuzzed yeah definitely if there's
any chance to make drax say something humorous i'm all over it he is one funny man that game's
dialogue that i i did see actually that it won um it won best i think it was not don't quote me
is the best dialogue for a game in 2021 or best our best narrative possibly they won so they did
they they're not completely under the radar but wow yeah very funny very very good story uh the
characters are very very well written uh surprised me with a lot of the things you could do and
it kept it fresh in terms of popping up with oh you can spend your credits when you think they're
just like a background thing that you just accumulate in and oh you can do this you can
do what are the repercussions of doing this and that and there's a part in the game once again i
won't spoil but the game you kind of end i ended the game i thought that was it i was like i finished
it that's mad that's a weird ending and it's short to be fair i thought it was a bit longer than that
there's a credits rolled i skipped them sorry and i was just literally back at the main menu
i was like this is so rare it doesn't normally do do do things like this just to end like that
normally games nowadays they've got their own little you know thing at the end their epilogue
if you will um no so i just thought well click continue click continue went back to that cut
scene picked a different decision and uh there we were the game carried on so with my dismay at the
combat it's not bad but it just gets a bit monotonous so it's not really for me they tightened up that
combat they could have a really good game i would agree with the combat um with that in mind i thought
you know i really like the story i really like the banter so what i might do instead of finishing it
um i might just youtube the cutscenes so when i did this i realized that where i thought the game
had finished it was only like there was still like three hours of cutscenes left on the youtube video
so i could have finished that game and just thought that was the end and probably had a very
shit review to put out there do you know what i mean just been like yeah it was all right
ended weird though if i didn't just click continue i'll probably would have never known so um yeah
but yeah very good game really glad i'm playing that to be honest or played it um and yeah that's
a that that definitely definitely deserves a sequel um i hope anyway yeah yeah it's the type
of game where it could it could warrant a sequel i would agree with the combat it does get a little
bit stale maybe i was i was a little bit more excited because it was the first proper game
that i've played on the laptop in terms of like not an mmo so so the the actual the whole combat
was completely different for me because i'm not using a controller i was using the keyboard and
mouse so it felt a lot different uh the one criticism that i would have and stef actually
brought up is just say fuck give me an explicit option it's flak flaking i understand that it
fits the whole galaxy idea and and the language is different and you don't want to you don't want to
cut yourself away from from a younger audience but give me that option in in the settings yeah
give me that filter i don't i i it weren't it weren't fucking game breaking don't get me wrong
sometimes when they said it it sounded like they said it anyway yeah yeah yeah yeah
obviously rockets saying it every five seconds so i i personally quite like it when they're
swearing in a game i quite like that so allow maybe it was because it is so heavily set on
dialogue that it was just a little bit more difficult to go through and say flock like do
ones runs with flock and then ones with fuck although it might not be that difficult either
way it would have been nice to have the option to just turn that off so that they'd just say fuck
but i'm not going to cry over it was just a little yeah i mean if that's one of your only uh
yeah it's a little problem for the game yeah it's done pretty well you know just for me like i say
it's just the combat i turned the um i turned the difficulty down to the easiest setting which i
don't normally do but just because i just wanted to get out of the combat scenarios as quickly as
possible to carry on with the story and to just hear drax take the piss out of rocket to be honest
yeah because i found it so funny yeah yeah guardians of galaxy is my favorite um marvel
films anyway so going in they already had that uh benefit to swing me over win me over it was good
about about halfway through the game i i had to remind myself that the voice actors in the game
are not the voice actors in the movie yeah they've done really well with that didn't they i was like
shit yeah these aren't these aren't because when i first the first couple of cutscenes i was like
oh this is weird because obviously it's not it's not the original it's not it's not chris pat chris
pratt also super mario who he's playing super mario what he is yeah i don't think you haven't
missed that when what it's been announced like so long ago i'm not much of a movie everywhere
of chris pat chris pat i'm doing it chris pratt playing every character in the universe you know
i mean because he's playing mario and we're like how is he playing mario what does mario even sound
like i want chris pratt apparently well yeah um yeah the point i was trying to make is that they
they do such a good job with their voice actors that yeah pretty quickly you you forget that they
they aren't the original cast of guardians of the galaxy which i think was very good yeah must be
very difficult to to because you've already got them characters and their voices set in your head
same with marvel's avengers obviously that came out and didn't do so well but i know i saw a lot
of criticism of that was i'm so used to chris hemsworth i'm so used to uh steve rogers that's
not his name you know them them people playing them characters so it just kind of takes them out
of it instantly whereas this one really quickly it just it just that faded away because i say the
voice work is mad the dialogue and the differences of things that you do and what could possibly come
um from what choices you say or pick it's crazy the game is yeah i do believe it's very underrated
yeah and the graphics are mental yeah very good the graphics were very good it was a very good
game if you haven't played it already go and play it if you haven't got xbox game pass i think it's
only like seven quid at the moment it's very cheap yeah it's not even expensive so for for a solid
a solid 20 hours worth of gameplay roughly it's a very good buy so if you haven't already played it
go and play it go and play it's very good and if you do do marvel's guardians of galaxy 2 we love
it so send us a copy for review yeah yeah can we do that we're them guys now we're them guys
quest things yeah yeah give us a code then you've got to give them an address yeah yeah we'll
exchange details later square enix don't worry about it well you know i've still got you left
on unread if we're going to be in contact with with them please can we get them to sort out their
fucking final fantasy create an account oh my god oh you're so i won't get into it i'll save that
for the next episode write it down yeah pisses me off is that all you've been playing pretty much
man i i downloaded outriders uh again because it's free played a little bit got a bit bored
that's about it i'm in a bit of a gaming slog at the moment i like netflix i've got too much choice
we had this we had this discussion yesterday i told you i'm paralyzed by choice because i have so
many games i don't know what to play i downloaded snow runner that's how bad it's got i want to
drive around in a truck pulling other trucks but you know i mean well each to their own it don't
sound like my jam i'll play it for five minutes and then get bored you do you sir but i do plan
on playing destiny 2 this week and detroit become human maybe to completion so maybe discuss that
next week uh what do you plan on playing you got any plans to play stuff there's always the thought
in my mind that i'll play a bit of world of warcraft i won't i absolutely won't because
it's the end of the season and there's literally no point in playing it what's what about if i
start a new character on destiny and we go and play because then i've got to redownload destiny
i don't have any of the expansions and it's an absolute bastard to get into when you haven't
played destiny for a while but i can teach you all the things you need to know and also i'm talking
very fast you you don't need all the expansions you don't need all the expansions there's a lot
of it you can just do anyway yeah i might do i don't i don't think it might be downloaded on
playstation there's also battlefront 2 as well yeah yeah you know me star wars i'm in so i might
download it just for something oh i was playing rogue squadrons last night as well i had a little
go on that star wars rogue squadrons that's an all right game you know is that decent that's all i've
got to say on that really i don't like being stuck in a car or a ship i like to get out and you can't
so i might i might i might download destiny again then have a little look see because it's i was
about to say because it's free but i'm mad because i've already got it but it's yeah man it's very
good yeah uh yeah it's free now yeah oh yeah i'll probably download that fucking 160 gig
bullshit whatever it is yeah you've got good internet though i won't tell you long
yeah this is true of course i think that's it to be fair yeah man that's episode three done yeah
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