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I've just been explaining to John that we have

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no intro. This is the intro. Okay. Yeah, fine.

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Fair enough. Hello. There's a new voice on the

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podcast. This is my mate John. I won't say your

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full name because I don't want to dox you in

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front of everyone, but this is John. This is

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Chinese John. Hi. Multicultural on the podcast.

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Yeah, I know. All you need is, you just need

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to get Leon and a couple of the other guys on

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here now. Yeah. And you'll cover the whole of

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UK and possibly Asia. So you might be listening

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and thinking, well, who the fuck's John? Well,

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John is a man that I met on World of Warcraft,

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which is meaning that this podcast will be predominantly

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World of Warcraft based. You know how long I've

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been waiting. When Ash started playing WoW, I

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was like, shit, I can finally fucking talk in

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depth about this sort of stuff. And then he stopped

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playing. So I was like, fuck, I don't know anyone

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that's on this pod that I can talk to about World

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of Warcraft. And now, this is going to be great.

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Yeah. I'm so excited. And we're not even that

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far away from each other. No, no. So how long

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did it take you to get here? Well, today it took

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a little bit longer. It took about... 45 minutes

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today that's still not bad that's not bad I think

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without traffic it's like half an hour yeah yeah

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which is mad so we so good so we met met in a

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in the world's biggest MMORPG and the geyser

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lives fucking half an hour up the road so good

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so so good whereas everyone else in our guild

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is like halfway across the other side of the

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planet yep like Ireland yep and Wales yep or

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fucking Pakistan Pakistan I'm killing Storm.

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Yeah. So we met up for the first time last year.

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We had a guild. So we're all in the same guild,

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Hooves and Hoes. I'm sure most of them will be

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listening to this one. Hi. Hello. Hello, everyone.

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So we had a guild meetup and it was like so surreal.

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Dogs are going wild. I don't know what for. And

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it was like so weird to finally meet everyone

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that you play games with because I'd never done

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that before. I mean, we had no idea that Miles

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was like six foot seven. I just couldn't believe

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it. Couldn't believe it when I saw him. But everyone

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looked how I thought they would look. Yeah, yeah.

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You know what I mean? Like Corey looked how Corey

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should look. It's just great. So we met up, had

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a great time and then... And then we met up again,

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recently went to John's wedding, which again

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was surreal. That was very surreal. Having the

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guild at your fucking wedding. I was mad actually.

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Do you know what? I was sort of thinking, because

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obviously the wedding and the planning and lead

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up to it was all like a whirlwind. So I didn't

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really have time to think about everything. And

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I was only processing it on the few days after

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the wedding. And I thought, shit, the boys were

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at my wedding. And then I thought, Ken and Leon,

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who were at my wedding who traveled to be at

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my wedding that was the first time i'd ever met

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them in person yeah they were there yeah yeah

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and it was it was surreal because i couldn't

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believe how short leon was i know i know he said

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that he was short yeah but i didn't realize how

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short he actually i love you leon but you know

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and kin kin i mean you were everything that i

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thought you would be um my fellow my fellow yellow

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brother uh love you kin That's okay, you're Chinese,

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you can say that. You're 100 % Chinese, you're

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sweet. I'm not advocating cross -Asian racism.

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It was surreal, like you say. And Leon looks

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so Arab for a Welsh man. Oh, he's so Arab. He's

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got lovely eyes. He's so handsome. Fantastic

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beard. He's just got that sort of... he's a great

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guy yeah they're all great i love them yeah no

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it was amazing so it was such a such a wholesome

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day and and but in general just even like going

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back to that meetup that we had last year you

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know it was so nice it was so wholesome you know

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we all had some beers and had some food and whatnot

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and like you say everyone just looked like how

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you would think they were yeah they were just

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how you think and we're all just normal people

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and it's lovely you know just fucking from playing

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world of warcraft it's nuts And to think that

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I came into Hooves, what, two, just over two

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years ago? Completely randomly. Yeah. I always

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forget that. So it was literally, I logged on

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towards the end of Dragonflight, last patch of

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the season. And I thought, you know what? I'm

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going to get back into WoW. I hadn't played since

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season one Dragonflight. And I thought, okay,

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no one that I knew that I used to play WoW with

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before was playing anymore. Either that or they

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were playing classic only. So I logged on and

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I was like, oh, I wonder if there's any guilds

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around because no one really advertised guilds

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anymore the way they used to. So I went on to

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the guild finder and saw Hooves and Hoes. I was

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like, haha, that's a funny name. That's exactly

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what I did. So I applied for it and then I got

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accepted into it. And then even when I got accepted,

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it was like, obviously no one there because as

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we all know, Hooves and Hoes, we get curving

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and we all fuck off. But then there were a couple

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of people on, and then that's when I met Leon

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for the first time. He was playing on his mage,

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and we were just chatting nonsense. And then

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I met Connor, and then I met you, and then got

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into the Discord, and that was when I was like,

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oh, holy crap, these guys are really, really

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awesome. It was something that, like, I've experienced

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that sort of stuff before, and obviously I used

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to run my own guild, and it just fucking took

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over my life. That's stressful, man. Yeah, and

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I've been part of other big guilds, But I was

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almost a kid during that time. Being in that

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sort of setting as a fully grown, mature adult

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is completely different to when you're fucking

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16 or like 20. And joining Hooves and Hoes, it

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was like when you join a new guild, you either

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stay completely silent because you're just there

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because you can... probably easily get into groups

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and do raids and stuff like that. Or you try

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and integrate yourself with these people. And

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obviously joining something like, like hooves,

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everyone already knows each other. It's not easy

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to integrate. Yeah. So you have to be to a degree.

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I feel that to a degree, you kind of have to

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be a little bit extroverted in order to get yourself

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noticed. Well, yeah, you just, you have to, yeah,

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it, you gotta be a bit funky. You gotta have

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a personality. There's gotta be something there,

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but also fucking, the discord like the discord

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i've got to say is probably the main thing to

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get yourself integrated into that guild in any

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i think i would i'd even go as far as saying

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any gaming community now in any game is discord

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yeah yeah it was i still remember the very early

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days of being in hooves and slowly getting to

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know everyone and getting fucking confused between

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tom and tim because they fucking use each other's

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names as their characters and i remember being

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so embarrassed because i kept calling tom tim

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and tim tom and fucking people were calling me

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out on it i was like i just feel like a cunt

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like so stupid i was like this is so fucking

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dumb um and then like learning everyone's personalities

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and and and just who's, who everyone is. Yeah.

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And then slowly like rising up the ranks and

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then becoming an officer and fucking like being,

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becoming one. Like, I feel like we're now fully

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one of the, like the core. Yeah. But, but I feel

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like everyone that talks in that discord is in

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that core. Yes. You know what I mean? I agree.

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I agree. I don't think there really is anyone

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in the guild that raids with us for the last

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few seasons who is, genuinely like seasonal in

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the sense that they're on to play and then you

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don't hear from them in Discord ever again until

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the next season I don't think there is any of

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that other than a couple of regulars but even

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then when they come back on it's almost like

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they just they never left anyway to begin with

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and that's what I like about Hooves is we are

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so genuinely wholesome I think what helps is

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that the average age, like the median age, I

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think we're all very similar. We're all at that

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stage where we're in our respective careers,

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we're doing our respective things and we're all

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adulting and we've all got responsibilities and

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things to look after and bills to pay and whatnot.

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And I think as a result of that, we have a certain

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way of approaching life. Whereas I can't imagine

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myself meeting you guys and being the way I am

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with you guys and the rest of Hooves back in

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17 -year -old me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we

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started a group chat and you showed us a picture

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of your burst hemorrhoid pretty fucking early

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on. Okay, right. So we crossed the... That was...

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That was extenuating circumstances. And just

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to clarify for the people that are listening

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to this right now who don't know what the fuck

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Rhys is talking about, while I'm staring at his

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eyeballs right now and questioning his soul as

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to why he decided to bring that up, I'd just

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like to clarify, if you ever get a thrombosed

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hemorrhoid, I'm praying for you. That's all I

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want to say. Enough said. I'm just saying we've

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broken through the barrier of friendship. That's

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the point that I was making. If we go back to

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the very early days, the genesis of us all coming

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together was when Connor did that mad recruitment

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drive for hooves and then we ended up with two

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fucking full raid groups. yes yeah that was hilarious

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that was that was that was funny that was that

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was so good that was raid team a and b yeah yeah

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and that was um and you was in raid team b i

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was in raid team b because i was like okay look

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guys i'm new i'm new i'm new here so you know

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it makes sense to keep the the original hooves

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together and whatnot so this was this was this

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was the first first season of uh the war within

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yes yeah it was yeah raid team one and two this

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was the first raid it was dragonfly No, it wasn't.

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It was. No, it wasn't. It definitely was. No,

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because it was Nerobar Palace. Remember. No,

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it weren't. We had two raid teams for Nerobar

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Palace. I remember when we were bitching about

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it because I was in Valdrakon. Yeah. Are you

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sure? Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure.

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The raid team one and two saga was when we had

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Enzo. Yeah. And I was in the same raid team as

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Enzo. No, that was War Within. That was Nerobar

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Palace. That was Queen Gatsarek. Nah. Yeah. Nah,

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there's no fucking way because we really struggled

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on Queen Gatsarik. Yeah, but don't you remember

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the first... Because you lot were struggling

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and we were fucking flying. Yeah, in Narrowbar

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Palace. Normal. Nah. It was. It was war within

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season one. Look. I'm telling you. We'll continue

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for another half an hour and then I'll post this

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and I can guarantee that the lawmaster, Joe,

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will fucking... I'm telling you, because Dragonflight,

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I only joined at the very, very end of Dragonflight.

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I didn't raid with you guys in Dragonflight.

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It's impossible. And then I played Shaman. Was

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it really the war we're in? Yeah, it was. This

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expansion? I started on... I remember because

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I started as... We're playing it this fucking

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long. This expansion's been this fucking long.

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Yeah. Well, it feels long. Fuck. I don't think

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it's been that long. When did the War of Income

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come out then? Yeah. Release date. August 26th,

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2024. 2024? There's no way the expansion's been

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out that fucking long. No, it has. It has. Here's

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the World Soul Saga with our three new expansions

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that are going to be a lot shorter than fucking

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two years later. We're still going. Well, no,

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because each expansion used to be two years.

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But they've... Exactly. This is now one and a

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half. This is one and a half now, isn't it? Because...

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I suppose it is, yeah. Midnight's coming up.

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Was it really the war we've been when we first

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started? It was, yeah, yeah, yeah. I suppose

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it would make sense because that was when the

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recruitment drive was. Yeah, yeah. And then that's

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when we had Enzo and his lackeys. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. God, what a bunch of Muppets.

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So what happened for the people listening is

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I was part of team one, team A, and... We went

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into the raid. I can't remember the name of the

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raid. Naruba Palace. Naruba Palace, yeah. And

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we were flying. We were fucking flying through

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that fucking raid. But we was all in Discord,

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but we was in separate channels because obviously

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calling out tactics and stuff is madness. So

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it was, I'm pretty sure it was a 20 -man team

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either side. Yeah. So there's 40 people here

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raiding the same raid, but split into two groups.

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And you had Connor, who's our raid leader. dipping

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in and out of both raids, effectively having

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to raid lead when Team B already had a raid lead,

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but they were shit. So Connor, bless him, was

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just having to fucking bounce in between. There

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was a couple of times when I've joined Team B's

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channel just to hear the screaming. And it was

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exactly that. You join and it would be like people

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arguing. And then you join back to Team A and

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it's just nice and fucking just quaint. you know

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what I mean it's just nice I mean I'll tell you

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what part of the problem was is that we had too

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many far too many egos in raid team B we had

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a supposed raid leader who I mean I'm not going

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to bother holding back because they're obviously

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not in the picture anymore but He was just a

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bit of a muppet who had a bit of a power trip

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and him and his eight buddy lackeys or whatever

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who came along with him. And he was absolutely

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not the foggiest and he was so arrogant. And

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obviously bearing in mind that, you know, Ray

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Team 2 consisted of people who've never gamed

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before with each other. Don't know each other.

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No one knows who is who. And then you've got

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all sorts of different egos coming from all sorts

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of different directions. I definitely wasn't

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instigating anything, but I was just kind of

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trying to make sense of what the call -outs were

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and getting shut down whenever I was asking the

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questions. I was like, okay, it is what it is.

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The thing is, being a raid leader has to be...

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I've never done it because seeing people like

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Connor having to do it puts me off of doing that

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role immediately. If you're listening and you

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don't know what a raid leader is, they are...

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the leader of the fucking raid that you're doing

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so they're the boss fights in raids in world

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of warcraft with every expansion have got progressively

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more mechanic heavy if you were to look at bosses

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from the classic era from vanilla so like molten

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core it's like one mechanic two mechanics and

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you can fucking face roll everything whereas

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if you look at shit now like undermine The mechanics,

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the amount of shit on the floor, the stuff you've

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got to dodge, the things you've got to do. It's

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crazy, but it's fun. But a raid leader will have

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to know every single fucking ability that these

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bosses do, in what order they do them, when they

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do them, what they do, who they're damaging,

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what they do to people, if you need to pop defensives

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for it. They need to know that raid inside out.

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And at the same time, they have to play. So they

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have to play that raid for the first time, the

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same as everyone else, but they have to call

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the shots, tell people where to be if they don't

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know where to be, fucking explain the mechanics,

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which I never listened to anyway, and just be

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in charge. And in Connor's situation, he's having

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to do that whilst tanking. Whilst tanking in

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a Discord with a soundboard that is just filled

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with absolute shit. And then you've got Rhys,

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who is... the other tank who doesn't listen to

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a word of what Connor says. And then Connor's

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like, okay, we're just going to pull now and

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see what happens. Yeah. He just tells me because,

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because it was undermined was when I was the

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first, I was tanking for the very first time.

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It was the first raid I'd ever tanked. And it

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was, it was very, very simple because all I had

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to do was just Connor just told, stand there,

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taunt when I tell you to taunt. And that's it.

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And by the end of it, I got pretty comfortable

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with it. But it's like, it's just something that,

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I feel like a raid leader falls down to the tank.

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It's very rare that you get a DPS or especially

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like a healer who is the raid leader. It's always

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the tank because they're the one that's solely

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in charge. They're positioning and all that sort

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of stuff. It's not a role that I can ever take

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up. Like it panics me when I fucked about in

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the discord and said, I'm now the raid leader.

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People are going to think that I am the, I am

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the rate. I'm not. I'm not, guys. There's no

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chance. There's fucking no chance. But what I

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am hoping is now that I don't go on social media

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anymore, which I know, again, the Discord ripped

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me because they were saying fucking the Discord

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itself is social media and watching YouTube is

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fucking no better than watching TikTok. It is

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because I'm watching long format. Yeah, but is

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Discord actually social media, though? One of

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the fuckers posted it in saying that it is. I

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don't think it is. They looked it up and it technically

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is classed as a social media. fuck off i'm still

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using it you know what i mean but what the point

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i'm trying to make is it's not social media is

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i'll be listening to the to the um tactics because

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i won't be on my phone scrolling that's yes which

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is usually what happens the minute connor starts

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talking i was loading up tiktok yeah yeah yeah

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yeah because i was like i'll scroll through this

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for a little bit let him talk for 10 minutes

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and then i'll come back and ask what are we doing

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you know it's interesting sorry for the people

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you've got a cold I'm still recovering from being

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ill. So, like, what's interesting is that, so

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do you remember, like, during season, during

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the prog nights, the progression, like, so for

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the people listening, we'd have what we call

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prog nights, which is where, you know, we're

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raiding, you know, there's 15, 20 of us or whatever,

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and we're... progressing each boss and obviously

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you're not going to get them down straight away,

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especially the harder the bosses get. You're

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going to wipe a few times. Was it Gatserek where

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we really, really struggled? We really struggled

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with her for a long time. We also struggled with

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the boss just before her as well, actually, on

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Heroic. What was the one where we spent a solid

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six weeks? That was Queen Anseret. That was the

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last boss of the first season. She was hard.

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And then the next one was Liberation of Undermine.

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There was one... I thought there was one in Dragonflight.

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No. The last season. What was the last season?

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Dementius. I don't think we struggled that hard

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with Dementius, did we? Oh, we did a little bit,

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but nothing crazy. Nothing like Queen Antwerp.

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Demencia's got nerfed quite quickly. Yeah, Queen

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Antwerp was just a different fucking basement.

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What was interesting was how there were some

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nights where we would finish at half nine or

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10 p .m. And I would just genuinely feel completely

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fucked. Not because we were sitting there and

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trying to raid and wiping several times, but

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actually what I was doing in between those pulls.

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I wasn't chilling. My brain was 150 % engaged

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because if we're not wiping and we're not playing

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and we've got some downtime, we've got a few

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minute break or whatever while people go and

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pee, I wasn't taking my eyes off the screen.

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I was just on my phone. Yeah. And I was scrolling

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Instagram. Yeah, it's bad, man. And you're just

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loading your brain with other stimulus and other

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information. And you know what social media is

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like with Instagram Reels and whatnot. they're

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thought -provoking, right? They'll feed you stuff

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which makes you question bits and pieces. And

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by the end of the night, I was so, so screwed,

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so tired. And I'll actually wake up the next

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morning feeling exhausted. I just love that from

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an outside perspective, if you was watching someone

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raid, they're just sweating on a mouse and keyboard

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just staring at a screen. But really, it's at

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most times, 20 people doing... coordinated assault

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it is pretty nuts for fucking four hours it is

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pretty nuts it was one break in between it is

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quite it is actually pretty intense and actually

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for people like us who've spent a full day at

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work especially when we're raiding on that Wednesday

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night yeah we've done a full day of work and

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you know depending on what it is that we do we

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may or may not have been speaking to lots of

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different people for the whole day or whatever

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And then jumping on and then being on the same

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chat channel with 20 other people. Yeah, it's

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heavy, man. And, you know, dealing with potential

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arguments and shit talk and, you know, having

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that as a conversation for another time. But,

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you know. That's for the patron. Put that behind

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a paywall. Oh, there's some nuggets behind that

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one. It's just a lot, man. I love it. I think

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it's great. I really, really enjoy it. And, you

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know, it's all looping back to what we were talking

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about right at the beginning of this podcast,

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which was, you know, you guys were at my wedding.

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We had the meetup last year. And even though

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I've only met you guys and joined the community

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about two years ago, you guys are genuinely,

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you know, there's a reason why it is so, I don't

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know how to describe it without it sounding stupidly

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corny, but it's... There's a reason why there's

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such a big impact on my life as it is because

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it's so ingrained in my lifestyle, in my life.

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And it means so much to me because it's time

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that I'm meaningfully spending doing, if that

00:22:11.529 --> 00:22:15.069
makes sense. Yeah, because when was the very

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first time you started playing well? I started

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playing well when I was about 10 years old. That

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was when my cousin came over from the Netherlands

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and he was doing some... like a work placement

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or something working in london and he's staying

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at our house for a few weeks and he was playing

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this on his laptop and i was like what's that

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and this was burning crusade uh sunwell patch

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i remember and um and he was playing a restoration

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shaman he was pvping and i was like what is that

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yeah i was just sat there watching madness it

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was i was just like what is this is incredible

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and then he made he let me create a character

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on his account and that was it rest of it you

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know so we've been around since the burning crusade

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um on and off because i've said multiple times

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before there's entire like legion and warlords

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of draenor i never even touched so i skipped

00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:06.200
out um entire expansions and there were there

00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.319
were raids so like i started in the burning crusade

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um but never successfully raided didn't successfully

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raid through the lich king mr pandaria The guild

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I was in, we did, but we weren't very good, so

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we never completed. Definitely didn't get curved.

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This is the first guild I've been with where

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I've gotten curved consistently as well. Yeah,

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exactly. It's crazy to think you play this game

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that's advertised as a massively multiplayer

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online, which it is, and you are playing with

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other people constantly, but it's taken almost

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two decades to find... a group of people you're

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heard yeah that I will consistently stay with

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especially now the point that we've met up and

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stuff like that and the stuff that even the people

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that we haven't met the stuff that we've discussed

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and the arguments we've had and just like general

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bonding it's just if you told anyone that didn't

00:24:04.339 --> 00:24:06.759
play that game oh yeah no it's a great game but

00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:09.160
you're not going to find anyone for 20 years

00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:12.039
yeah they go well fuck that I'm not doing that

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but I think and I suppose it's I guess what kind

00:24:15.930 --> 00:24:17.509
of contributes to all of this is that different

00:24:17.509 --> 00:24:19.190
people play the game for different reasons, right?

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And I'd be lying if I was to say that when I

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was younger, especially during my teenage years

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when I was playing WoW on and off, I'd be lying

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if I was to say that I was playing a game purely

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for arcade purposes or purely for social purposes

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because actually I was part of guilds as you

00:24:41.009 --> 00:24:43.609
were, which were very sociable, et cetera, et

00:24:43.609 --> 00:24:45.930
cetera. Like I say, this is the first time where

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I've actually been able to genuinely connect

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with the people and develop genuinely meaningful

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relationships with them. And I think age is a

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big part to play about that. Going back to that

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point, I think, look, we're 30 years old now,

00:25:00.890 --> 00:25:04.210
sort of late 20s, early 30s. We're all in our

00:25:04.210 --> 00:25:08.730
respective stages of our lives where we kind

00:25:08.730 --> 00:25:10.549
of don't really want to be bouncing around with

00:25:10.549 --> 00:25:12.559
anything and actually... We just want to settle

00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:14.980
down, man. You just want to seek a bit more consistency.

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I don't want to put a different tabard on. I

00:25:16.819 --> 00:25:18.940
just want to fucking stay with the hooves. The

00:25:18.940 --> 00:25:20.900
tabard's horrible, but I'm going to stay with

00:25:20.900 --> 00:25:24.960
it. Yeah, Aston, can we have a chat about that,

00:25:24.980 --> 00:25:26.640
please? Yeah, can we change the fucking green,

00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.420
please, so I can wear it with any trans... I

00:25:29.420 --> 00:25:31.339
was making some today. Did you see the stuff

00:25:31.339 --> 00:25:34.279
that I posted in it? What's that? Look, I'll

00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:36.220
show you on this. Just a couple of mogs that

00:25:36.220 --> 00:25:39.809
I made, but... I'd love to wear the guild tabard

00:25:39.809 --> 00:25:45.690
to just show off the guild, but I can't because

00:25:45.690 --> 00:25:49.930
it's grim. Look, here's my lumberjack transmog.

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Oh, I like that very much. That's quite cool.

00:25:51.769 --> 00:25:53.490
That's very, very good. I've changed the shield

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now to something more rustic. And then this one,

00:25:57.410 --> 00:25:59.670
Leon liked this one. I think it's because it

00:25:59.670 --> 00:26:04.789
looks maybe kind of anime. Me with bandages.

00:26:05.190 --> 00:26:08.029
Oh. Oh, I can see why Leon liked that one. Yeah.

00:26:08.869 --> 00:26:11.869
I prefer the lumberjack. Yeah. But I like that

00:26:11.869 --> 00:26:14.089
one as well. No, I think I prefer the lumberjack

00:26:14.089 --> 00:26:17.750
one. The bandages are a shirt. The bandage, I

00:26:17.750 --> 00:26:19.190
mean, I'm not going to lie, it looks a little

00:26:19.190 --> 00:26:24.250
bit... It looks a little bit... Say what you

00:26:24.250 --> 00:26:26.529
want to say. I don't want to be accused of being

00:26:26.529 --> 00:26:28.170
homophobic. Say what you want to say. It looks

00:26:28.170 --> 00:26:29.690
gay. It looks a little bit gay. It looks gay.

00:26:29.789 --> 00:26:32.769
A little bit. Is it the eye patch? I don't think

00:26:32.769 --> 00:26:34.910
it's... Or is it the trousers? I think it's the

00:26:34.910 --> 00:26:36.609
eye patch and the bandage. Around the chest.

00:26:36.829 --> 00:26:38.490
You don't like the bandages? It was showing that

00:26:38.490 --> 00:26:42.730
you're hurt. Well, fuck it. I'll delete it then.

00:26:43.549 --> 00:26:45.509
The lumberjack's cool though. I like the lumberjack.

00:26:45.509 --> 00:26:47.369
The lumberjack one's good. The lumberjack's the

00:26:47.369 --> 00:26:49.009
one that I'm using the most. Have you shown Steph

00:26:49.009 --> 00:26:51.130
that one? Yeah, yeah. She liked the lumberjack

00:26:51.130 --> 00:26:53.250
as well. I can imagine. She was a fan of that.

00:26:53.309 --> 00:26:55.950
So was many others except for Corey. Corey give

00:26:55.950 --> 00:26:58.529
it a six out of ten because he's fucking butthurt.

00:26:58.650 --> 00:27:01.359
We've got this channel. right in the discord

00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:05.359
it's it it's a channel so there's two channels

00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:07.140
right there's one in there called hoof camp and

00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:11.099
that's for fucking fitness and running and weights

00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:13.099
and going to the gym and all that shit right

00:27:13.099 --> 00:27:15.480
it's a motivational one and then we've got one

00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.700
that was purely for food right because i started

00:27:18.700 --> 00:27:21.460
a fuck i started a fucking movement and it was

00:27:21.460 --> 00:27:25.940
me yeah I started a movement of posting my dinners

00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:28.380
into the fucking Discord to the point where they

00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:30.740
made a channel, right? Then other people started

00:27:30.740 --> 00:27:32.319
jumping on it. And some of the people in that

00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:34.480
Discord make some incredibly good food. Some

00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:36.740
of it's very questionable, but a lot of it's

00:27:36.740 --> 00:27:39.839
very, very good. And Corey, by the looks of it,

00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:43.200
makes some very, very good food. All right? But

00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.339
because it's Corey, he has to shit on everything.

00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.500
On fucking everything. Everything has to be a

00:27:50.500 --> 00:27:53.279
competition. He has to dig everything out. And

00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.279
he kept digging out my food. And then somehow,

00:27:56.539 --> 00:27:59.039
the motherfucker took over that channel. And

00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:02.039
now it's called Corey's Poison Grazing Field.

00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.279
I started a toast system. If you want to know

00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.579
what a toast system is, it's basically a rating

00:28:08.579 --> 00:28:11.859
system. So you go, right. You post in a fucking

00:28:11.859 --> 00:28:15.109
picture of some... Fuck, a roast dinner. And

00:28:15.109 --> 00:28:17.529
I'll go, yeah, that's six out of ten slices.

00:28:18.230 --> 00:28:20.250
Six out of ten slices of toast. It's relevant

00:28:20.250 --> 00:28:22.609
to the channel. It's a food channel. Yes. So,

00:28:22.630 --> 00:28:24.410
therefore, the rating is food -related. It's

00:28:24.410 --> 00:28:26.309
a very, very specific and niche metric that was

00:28:26.309 --> 00:28:28.910
given to the food. Yeah. It works, and people

00:28:28.910 --> 00:28:31.569
have stuck with it. That's good, all right? Well,

00:28:32.869 --> 00:28:36.990
it's an open discussion, all right? You might

00:28:36.990 --> 00:28:39.349
post something that I don't like. That's fine.

00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.720
But I'm going to give it the rating that I want

00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.559
to give it. Same as everyone's welcome to give

00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:46.119
me the ratings that they want to give me. That's

00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:50.000
absolutely fine. I do feel like I was kind of

00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.539
cheating because when I started it, I was doing

00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:54.039
HelloFresh. So the majority of the food that

00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.400
I was doing, even though I was cooking it...

00:28:56.569 --> 00:28:58.269
HelloFresh isn't really cooking, is it? Yeah,

00:28:58.269 --> 00:29:00.089
but do you know what, though? HelloFresh is still

00:29:00.089 --> 00:29:02.089
infinitely... No, you know what? No, I disagree

00:29:02.089 --> 00:29:03.950
with what you're saying because, actually, I

00:29:03.950 --> 00:29:06.150
don't think that's cheating. John used to fucking

00:29:06.150 --> 00:29:09.029
run a Chinese restaurant, by the way, so a culinary

00:29:09.029 --> 00:29:14.029
expert, really. I think, genuinely, HelloFresh

00:29:14.029 --> 00:29:17.309
is... That's not cheating. I love it. Because

00:29:17.309 --> 00:29:22.099
you are still using fresh ingredients. And you're

00:29:22.099 --> 00:29:23.619
following a recipe. Do you know how much garlic

00:29:23.619 --> 00:29:25.700
we got? Which is what most people do anyway.

00:29:25.900 --> 00:29:27.579
What do you do when you go and buy ingredients

00:29:27.579 --> 00:29:28.980
and you're cooking something that you've never

00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:30.460
cooked before or you want to get inspiration

00:29:30.460 --> 00:29:33.480
from? You look up a recipe. You either chat GPT

00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:35.900
it or you look it up on Google or whatever. I've

00:29:35.900 --> 00:29:38.220
got a whole cupboard full of recipe cards. HelloFresh

00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:41.859
is absolutely no different to that. If anything,

00:29:42.140 --> 00:29:44.480
HelloFresh is even better because you're not

00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.500
wasting anything. I really like it and Steph

00:29:47.500 --> 00:29:49.619
really likes it. The reason we stopped it was

00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:51.730
because... Obviously, you get the introductory

00:29:51.730 --> 00:29:53.650
prices. Did you run out of promotionals? Yeah,

00:29:53.730 --> 00:29:57.630
I ran out of promotionals. We kept that motherfucker

00:29:57.630 --> 00:30:00.930
going for a long old time, man. We kept it going

00:30:00.930 --> 00:30:03.490
for a long time. Try Gusto. Yeah, that's what

00:30:03.490 --> 00:30:05.609
we was going to do. Because I worked with a mate

00:30:05.609 --> 00:30:08.289
who was using HelloFresh. And then he told me

00:30:08.289 --> 00:30:10.369
that he swapped out and started using Gusto because

00:30:10.369 --> 00:30:12.289
he ran out of fucking promotionals. And he said

00:30:12.289 --> 00:30:14.450
that it's better. So we've been contemplating

00:30:14.450 --> 00:30:17.430
doing it. Also, their meals are really calorific.

00:30:17.750 --> 00:30:20.319
Ah, right. But I think you can... Said it so

00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:21.900
that you don't want calorific meals. But anyway,

00:30:21.980 --> 00:30:24.259
the point, a little bit of sidetrack there, but

00:30:24.259 --> 00:30:26.839
the point being is that I was posting these meals

00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:29.380
in, giving people the scores, and people were

00:30:29.380 --> 00:30:32.299
giving me scores. And then Corey posted something

00:30:32.299 --> 00:30:36.660
that looked shit. Right? So I called him out

00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:38.359
on it. I can't remember what it was. It was a

00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:40.599
while ago. And I said, I don't like that. So

00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:43.440
here's fucking two out of ten slices. And he

00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.559
kicked off about it. I remember. He kicked off

00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.670
about it because he couldn't accept it. This

00:30:48.670 --> 00:30:51.029
was last year, wasn't it? Yeah. So now out of

00:30:51.029 --> 00:30:53.609
spite, he just fucking attacks everything. I

00:30:53.609 --> 00:30:54.950
don't know why I'm doing this because we call

00:30:54.950 --> 00:30:57.490
it truce. We call it good truce. And he sent

00:30:57.490 --> 00:31:01.109
in the evidence of us saying, let's be friends.

00:31:01.269 --> 00:31:04.009
And we are still friends. I'm just simply getting

00:31:04.009 --> 00:31:06.170
the point across that he fucked one of my channels

00:31:06.170 --> 00:31:08.230
in that Discord and then says that it's his channel.

00:31:09.390 --> 00:31:19.359
Oh, man. Cunt. It was... I was doing quite well

00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:21.099
containing my cough up to this point that's alright

00:31:21.099 --> 00:31:23.940
that's alright I love it it was great oh my god

00:31:23.940 --> 00:31:27.299
yeah no I mean this is just an example of how

00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:30.339
how amazing and how diverse and how colourful

00:31:30.339 --> 00:31:33.119
and wonderful our hoofs and hoes discord is we

00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.000
play other games as well that's always good and

00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:38.000
yeah and you know what like no matter no matter

00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:44.049
how off topic and how political and how borderline

00:31:44.049 --> 00:31:46.789
bullying our conversations can get between members

00:31:46.789 --> 00:31:50.769
and the discord we can all we're all connected

00:31:50.769 --> 00:31:54.390
you know and and especially after we've gotten

00:31:54.390 --> 00:31:56.289
curve and we've done the raid for the season

00:31:56.289 --> 00:31:58.509
and everyone inevitably just stops playing for

00:31:58.509 --> 00:32:00.470
a while and they stop pushing mythic plus and

00:32:00.470 --> 00:32:03.069
whatever you know we're all still connected we're

00:32:03.069 --> 00:32:05.509
all still talking and we're all we're all still

00:32:05.509 --> 00:32:09.490
there you know and it makes you feel like you're

00:32:09.490 --> 00:32:12.019
not really ever stopping The only difference

00:32:12.019 --> 00:32:15.019
is that we're not all on WoW in the same regroup

00:32:15.019 --> 00:32:18.400
at the same time. I love that influx of when

00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:21.440
you have the downtime that we've currently got,

00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:26.720
end of season, people disappear for weeks at

00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:28.480
a time because there's just nothing. Well, there's

00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.039
not nothing to do. It's just the content that

00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:33.440
most people wanted to do. They've achieved. You've

00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.660
achieved your fucking... two and a half thousand

00:32:36.660 --> 00:32:38.819
three thousand rating in mythic plus you fucking

00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:41.559
you've got curve um can't be asked to go and

00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:43.700
do mythic raiding so you've done what you wanted

00:32:43.700 --> 00:32:47.319
to do it's sweet got best in slot so you're done

00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:51.599
um and it's always fun to see the start of a

00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.099
new season And then it's usually like the week

00:32:54.099 --> 00:32:56.400
beforehand, people come back because they start

00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.519
getting their shit together. And then the season

00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:00.799
starts and then you log in and there's like 30

00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:03.039
different people online. And you're like, fuck.

00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:04.819
And that may seem like a small number, but you

00:33:04.819 --> 00:33:07.259
bang 30 people in a room. It's a lot of people.

00:33:07.339 --> 00:33:08.700
There's a lot of people with a lot of different

00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:10.940
opinions. Yep. And it always happens. And I always

00:33:10.940 --> 00:33:12.380
love seeing it. And then you have your first

00:33:12.380 --> 00:33:14.019
raid and everyone's like, oh, fuck, I haven't

00:33:14.019 --> 00:33:15.500
spoken to you in ages, blah, blah, blah. Because

00:33:15.500 --> 00:33:18.190
we haven't. And then all of the bullshittery

00:33:18.190 --> 00:33:20.009
that goes with it and all the trolling. It's

00:33:20.009 --> 00:33:23.650
just fun, man. I really enjoy it. One particular

00:33:23.650 --> 00:33:28.450
memory I have very fond of that repeated itself

00:33:28.450 --> 00:33:31.049
for three seasons straight, well, the only three

00:33:31.049 --> 00:33:32.769
seasons that I've been raiding with you guys,

00:33:32.829 --> 00:33:35.329
this expansion, is that at the beginning of every

00:33:35.329 --> 00:33:38.950
single season, me and Joe have this thing where

00:33:38.950 --> 00:33:41.269
we just don't stop laughing for the first two

00:33:41.269 --> 00:33:45.259
raid nights. And that's because... We're just

00:33:45.259 --> 00:33:48.339
constantly trolling each other without words

00:33:48.339 --> 00:33:52.960
being said. I mean, Joe, was it this season?

00:33:53.140 --> 00:33:55.420
Yeah, season three where you played priest, wasn't

00:33:55.420 --> 00:33:57.059
it? I think it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You played

00:33:57.059 --> 00:34:00.059
priest, right? So priests have this ability called

00:34:00.059 --> 00:34:03.960
Leap of Faith where you can select an ally and

00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:06.519
you can click it and it will pull them. It will

00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.059
yank them over to where you are as the priest.

00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:11.960
It's very fucking annoying. And there was one

00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:13.519
particular platform when we got to Dementius.

00:34:14.939 --> 00:34:18.280
Yeah, because he did it to fucking me. Multiple

00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:24.139
times. The cunt. Everyone did it to me. Oh, it

00:34:24.139 --> 00:34:26.400
was too easy. Because who was an evoker as well?

00:34:26.500 --> 00:34:28.119
Because they've got their own one as well. Who

00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.500
played evoker? It was Leon's dad. Yeah. Fire's

00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:33.400
home. Yeah, yeah. He wasn't actually Leon's dad,

00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.000
by the way, people listening. Was he not? No,

00:34:36.019 --> 00:34:38.400
he wasn't actually Leon's dad. We called him

00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:40.519
Leon's dad because Leon's dad was playing at

00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:42.500
the beginning of War Within and he was playing

00:34:42.500 --> 00:34:45.340
in the vote. Right, yeah, okay. That's why, yeah.

00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:48.679
Oh, yeah, okay. So Fire's Home got Leon's dad.

00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:51.280
Yeah, it's great, great. I love it. I love how

00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:57.699
that stuck. I didn't even realise. Okay, fair

00:34:57.699 --> 00:35:00.780
enough. Yeah, yeah, because the Vokers can pick

00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:03.719
you up and... fucking fly you they're dragons

00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:07.239
they're like dragon dragon kin humanoids so they

00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:09.239
can just pick you up and fucking fly you away

00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:12.539
yeah basically what john's saying is that there's

00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:14.679
with these abilities you can pick a player up

00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.019
and then drop them off at a location and you

00:35:17.019 --> 00:35:19.619
can get them where they're ever so dangerously

00:35:19.619 --> 00:35:22.659
close to the edge of a platform because you can't

00:35:22.659 --> 00:35:25.199
drag someone off of a platform yourself but you

00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.440
can put someone right at the limit of the platform

00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:30.289
and if that person's already moving they're running

00:35:30.289 --> 00:35:33.170
around themselves and you pull them which was

00:35:33.170 --> 00:35:35.070
usually me which was usually either you or me

00:35:35.070 --> 00:35:36.710
yeah and one of the most annoying things is when

00:35:36.710 --> 00:35:39.670
someone done it just before a pull which is always

00:35:39.670 --> 00:35:43.010
fun that's always good start with an instant

00:35:43.010 --> 00:35:48.489
death go what the fuck I swear I swear Joe did

00:35:48.489 --> 00:35:51.769
it and it wiped the raid I swear he did it with

00:35:51.769 --> 00:35:53.329
me at some point there was a couple of those

00:35:53.329 --> 00:35:55.269
and we had to wipe the entire raid because he

00:35:55.269 --> 00:35:57.489
fucking pulled someone I was like you motherfucker

00:35:57.489 --> 00:36:00.900
yeah Conor's just spent 15 minutes telling everyone

00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:02.639
exactly what to do because we're on our 10th

00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.739
wipe of the night and then fucking Joe's just

00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:08.179
flung me off the ledge. Motherfucker, I've got

00:36:08.179 --> 00:36:10.199
to buff up again. I've got to fucking take time.

00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.679
I've got to do all this shit again. Fucking hell.

00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.659
And it's all these little nuggets and these little

00:36:19.659 --> 00:36:24.489
pockets of just... you know, bullshittery and

00:36:24.489 --> 00:36:27.230
tomfoolery. Tomfoolery. Tomfoolery. That really

00:36:27.230 --> 00:36:30.809
just made, it made everything, it made every

00:36:30.809 --> 00:36:32.909
wipe worth it. You know what was funny was when

00:36:32.909 --> 00:36:35.929
the, when the UK brought out that law of age

00:36:35.929 --> 00:36:39.079
restriction and it restricted everything. including

00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.519
Reddit and Discord. So you then had to fucking

00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:43.719
take a photo of your face and verify who you

00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:45.300
were. Yeah, and porn and all that. Do you remember

00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:47.860
how many channels in that Discord were then fucking

00:36:47.860 --> 00:36:50.880
locked behind age verification because of the

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.059
shit that was in them? Max Degenerate channel,

00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.360
the fucking Parliament chat. To be fair, all

00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.900
things considered, I don't think Hoof's Discord

00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:04.019
has ever really had that much. It's not the worst

00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:06.500
Discord that I've fucking seen. It's pretty tame,

00:37:06.539 --> 00:37:08.969
to be fair, compared to... I've seen some really

00:37:08.969 --> 00:37:13.210
bad ones. Some really bad. If anything, there's

00:37:13.210 --> 00:37:16.329
more NSFW stuff in our WhatsApp group chat than

00:37:16.329 --> 00:37:18.969
there is in Discord. Yeah, probably. Yeah, I

00:37:18.969 --> 00:37:20.630
agree to be fair, especially what's tagged there

00:37:20.630 --> 00:37:24.789
now. Oh, yeah. Pinned. Yeah, that's one for the

00:37:24.789 --> 00:37:29.170
Patreon, I think. How did that even happen? You

00:37:29.170 --> 00:37:33.250
pinned it. Yeah, but why? It's your message,

00:37:33.289 --> 00:37:35.429
you pig. Anyway, for anyone that's confused about

00:37:35.429 --> 00:37:37.730
what's going on right now. No, it happened because

00:37:37.730 --> 00:37:42.610
I found that game. Right. Nick A. Nick A. There

00:37:42.610 --> 00:37:45.090
you go. Gaming podcast. Talk about that. Fucking

00:37:45.090 --> 00:37:53.059
Nick A. Yeah. It's a gacha game. Yeah. Which

00:37:53.059 --> 00:37:55.760
Kin introduced us to. And I didn't realise Kin

00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.039
had introduced it to us. Yeah, and basically

00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.260
it's... Goddess of Victory. Yeah, so as the name

00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:05.159
implies, it's full of big titty anime girls.

00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:09.480
It's big titty anime girls with very revealing

00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:16.500
outfits. And I see it... Did I see it in a YouTube

00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:19.010
video? And you thought, I need to have me some

00:38:19.010 --> 00:38:21.789
of that. I think I saw it somewhere. So I was

00:38:21.789 --> 00:38:23.829
like, surely not. And then found it on the Play

00:38:23.829 --> 00:38:27.469
Store. And it had like 2 million downloads. Right?

00:38:27.730 --> 00:38:30.309
So I downloaded it as a joke to see how weeby

00:38:30.309 --> 00:38:32.849
it really was. And it's fucking weeby. So then

00:38:32.849 --> 00:38:35.269
I went onto the Reddit for it. And it's just

00:38:35.269 --> 00:38:37.630
more weebs sitting there going, no, it's a really

00:38:37.630 --> 00:38:42.489
good story. But is it fuck? Is it fuck? Right?

00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:45.880
It's not really a good story, okay? Not that

00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.579
I've stayed long enough to find out about the

00:38:47.579 --> 00:38:49.559
story, but I did stay long enough to work out

00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.820
the mechanics of how the game works. And it's

00:38:52.820 --> 00:38:56.659
like any combat interaction, there's an autoplay

00:38:56.659 --> 00:38:59.119
button on there, so it will just play it for

00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:03.159
you. You can obviously auto -scroll on the quest

00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:06.340
information and all that shit. So you're just

00:39:06.340 --> 00:39:10.219
staring at boobs and ass, but the way that it

00:39:10.219 --> 00:39:14.530
works is you're like... You're a commander. So

00:39:14.530 --> 00:39:17.349
it's basically your harem. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

00:39:17.349 --> 00:39:22.130
yeah, yeah. You know the demographic that it's

00:39:22.130 --> 00:39:24.550
fucking centred towards because of the way the

00:39:24.550 --> 00:39:27.710
dialogue is. I noticed it straight away because

00:39:27.710 --> 00:39:30.429
it is like you're in charge and they make you

00:39:30.429 --> 00:39:33.289
aware constantly, these fucking, these anime

00:39:33.289 --> 00:39:36.119
girls. You're the commander. You're in charge.

00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:37.900
I'm just going to draw a parallel here. I'm going

00:39:37.900 --> 00:39:40.300
to draw a parallel here. That is precisely the

00:39:40.300 --> 00:39:43.340
tactic that World of Warcraft employed in the

00:39:43.340 --> 00:39:46.719
last meaningful content patch of The War Within.

00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.300
When they made Zalatath, who's, by the way, the

00:39:50.300 --> 00:39:52.000
main villain, for those that don't know. At the

00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.480
moment. At the moment, throughout all of the

00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:55.780
whole entire cycle. Until we inevitably kill

00:39:55.780 --> 00:39:57.760
her next expansion and then the winter will be.

00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.139
To clarify, to spell this out for you guys, Zalatath

00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:06.719
is... She's... She has been claimed as the villain

00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.440
mummy since the start of this expansion and this

00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:14.800
saga because she's somewhat attractive. This

00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.199
was inevitably going to come up in this podcast.

00:40:18.340 --> 00:40:20.119
Go on. You knew this. I know exactly what's going

00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:25.159
on. Zalatav's feet. In particular. For some reason.

00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.500
the devs and the designers were preying on the

00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:32.019
foot fetish community. They nailed the foot fetish.

00:40:32.019 --> 00:40:35.500
So they put, like, extra detail in her feet.

00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.099
It just gives us a bad name for playing WoW because

00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:40.260
it isn't like this, but for whatever reason...

00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:42.139
She's barefoot. She's barefoot. Whenever you

00:40:42.139 --> 00:40:43.880
see her, she's barefoot. She's barefoot. She's

00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.179
got toe rings. Like, she's manicured. And the

00:40:46.179 --> 00:40:49.539
feet look really, really, really, really... Real.

00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:54.199
Real. And nice, dare I say. In every cut scene,

00:40:54.420 --> 00:40:56.739
obviously, so... So Zalatath is sort of like

00:40:56.739 --> 00:41:03.099
this shadow priest being, not ethereal, but has

00:41:03.099 --> 00:41:06.659
magical powers. And so she hovers, she floats

00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:09.440
a lot. She doesn't have to walk around. So every

00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.780
fucking cut scene that involved her was always

00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:16.320
her gracefully flowing down into frame. And obviously

00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:18.260
the first thing that comes into frame is her

00:41:18.260 --> 00:41:21.340
fucking feet. Even to the point where there was

00:41:21.340 --> 00:41:23.900
multiple cinematics where for some reason it

00:41:23.900 --> 00:41:27.440
would be zoomed in on her feet. And it become

00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:29.420
a meme because the minute you see it, and I will

00:41:29.420 --> 00:41:31.239
never forget. So when you finish a raid and you

00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.599
get curved, when you kill the last boss, there's

00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:37.820
always a cinematic, right? And it either finishes

00:41:37.820 --> 00:41:40.159
the story on it or it leads on. It's a progression

00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:42.980
in the story, right? And I will never forget.

00:41:43.449 --> 00:41:46.789
what the raid when she shows up at the end and

00:41:46.789 --> 00:41:48.989
literally when we just finished it and everyone

00:41:48.989 --> 00:41:52.090
in the discord feet feet as a joke because it

00:41:52.090 --> 00:41:54.929
was it was just straight away screen goes black

00:41:54.929 --> 00:41:57.210
and then boom it's her feet straight on the screen

00:41:57.210 --> 00:42:00.619
and i was like It's funny, but at the same time,

00:42:00.699 --> 00:42:04.239
the person that's designing this has a foot fetish

00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:06.300
because this has never been like this. 100%.

00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:13.320
And it hasn't been like it since. The way they've

00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:17.760
done the villain arc is that they've... Albeit

00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.039
it is a new tactic that they've taken on with

00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.380
this new saga and this trio of expansions, but

00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:28.050
they've really, really honed in on what... they

00:42:28.050 --> 00:42:31.309
know cells and okay that's boobies arse and feet

00:42:31.309 --> 00:42:33.590
and feet and and now going back to the point

00:42:33.590 --> 00:42:35.750
that i was making and drawing the parallel here

00:42:35.750 --> 00:42:39.449
is that um in in that patch so in in this patch

00:42:39.449 --> 00:42:42.369
after you've killed the final boss in the final

00:42:42.369 --> 00:42:45.929
raid of the war within expansion you actually

00:42:45.929 --> 00:42:49.710
kind of no no actually no sorry in the content

00:42:49.710 --> 00:42:53.789
leading up to that raid sorry we are working

00:42:53.789 --> 00:42:56.670
together with Zalatath in order to take down

00:42:56.670 --> 00:42:58.789
Dementius, who's the ultimate biggest threat,

00:42:58.849 --> 00:43:01.730
who could wipe out everything. So you kind of

00:43:01.730 --> 00:43:05.489
strike this bargain with Zalatath. In doing so,

00:43:05.510 --> 00:43:07.050
when you're doing these quests and doing that

00:43:07.050 --> 00:43:10.010
storyline, leading up to that raid, that final

00:43:10.010 --> 00:43:12.710
raid in the last season of this expansion, and

00:43:12.710 --> 00:43:14.969
you're working together with Zalatath, Zalatath

00:43:14.969 --> 00:43:17.170
makes you feel like you are the champion and

00:43:17.170 --> 00:43:19.750
you are special. Because she always says, my

00:43:19.750 --> 00:43:23.349
champion. This is what you're capable of. My

00:43:23.349 --> 00:43:25.690
champion. She says it in a certain tone where

00:43:25.690 --> 00:43:28.070
you just know that there's people that have a

00:43:28.070 --> 00:43:30.530
poster of her up on their wall. Absolute boner.

00:43:32.429 --> 00:43:34.849
100 % definitely there were people that were

00:43:34.849 --> 00:43:37.170
clipping that and just replaying it on repeat.

00:43:37.429 --> 00:43:39.269
Of course. On a loop. There was that fucking,

00:43:39.429 --> 00:43:43.050
wasn't there that wee corer? There was that wee

00:43:43.050 --> 00:43:48.309
corer. Who sent that? Who sent that command?

00:43:49.170 --> 00:43:52.510
Was it Matt? I think so. I think it might have

00:43:52.510 --> 00:43:55.030
been Matt. Correct me if I'm wrong, Matt. But

00:43:55.030 --> 00:43:57.659
it was you, you dirty fucker. It was, wasn't

00:43:57.659 --> 00:43:59.800
it? So you could get Zalataf's feet pop up when

00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.260
you were bloodlusting. Yeah, and it would just

00:44:02.260 --> 00:44:05.460
literally be her zoomed up feet on your screen

00:44:05.460 --> 00:44:07.559
whilst you're trying to play the game. Yeah.

00:44:07.699 --> 00:44:10.139
Oh, that was so unhinged. That was so funny.

00:44:10.780 --> 00:44:15.420
That was so good. But yeah, no, no, go back to

00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:16.800
that point. I mean, you're absolutely right.

00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:19.739
There's parallels here. That's definitely what

00:44:19.739 --> 00:44:22.659
Blizzard did. That's what they did. They employed

00:44:22.659 --> 00:44:25.980
that coercion tactic to make the player feel...

00:44:26.300 --> 00:44:28.460
And this is the thing, right? I have a friend,

00:44:28.579 --> 00:44:31.019
a Romanian friend who plays the game. She's not

00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:32.980
in our guild. She plays Alliance, but we're Battle

00:44:32.980 --> 00:44:34.300
.net friends. We've been Battle .net friends

00:44:34.300 --> 00:44:36.719
for a long time. And she's quite good. She's

00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:38.699
like, you know, three and a half K Rio and whatever.

00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.320
And I remember talking to her. I was like, have

00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:44.699
you been doing these quests? And, you know, Zalatav,

00:44:44.699 --> 00:44:46.840
mommy talking to you. And she goes, yeah, I mean,

00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:49.039
I'm fully straight. She's a woman, right? She

00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.320
said her words were, I'm fully straight. And

00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.719
I'm a bit confused now. Yeah. Like, genuinely.

00:44:55.739 --> 00:44:58.099
They knew what they were doing. They 100 % knew

00:44:58.099 --> 00:44:59.119
what they were doing. And this is exactly what

00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.980
this Nikkei game is. This is a mobile gacha game

00:45:02.980 --> 00:45:05.539
where the outfits are extremely revealing but

00:45:05.539 --> 00:45:08.019
they're also locked behind a paywall. So, and

00:45:08.019 --> 00:45:11.179
like I say, you're the commander and they keep

00:45:11.179 --> 00:45:12.840
fucking letting you know that you're the commander

00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:15.000
and you're in charge and we must do what you

00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.280
say. Rah, rah, rah. And then when you get to

00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:22.170
the very brief combat. that I experienced from

00:45:22.170 --> 00:45:24.110
it before I went, no, this is just too weird,

00:45:24.190 --> 00:45:28.610
is you're like behind a wall and then there's

00:45:28.610 --> 00:45:30.690
robots in front of you and you peek over and

00:45:30.690 --> 00:45:33.570
shoot them. But the character it was making me

00:45:33.570 --> 00:45:36.190
play is when you peek over and shoot them, it's

00:45:36.190 --> 00:45:40.469
just whole arse. It's just arse the whole time.

00:45:40.949 --> 00:45:42.869
So it's like, no wonder you've got an auto mechanic

00:45:42.869 --> 00:45:44.530
on this because there'll be people that are just

00:45:44.530 --> 00:45:48.599
staring. At arse. One hand on penis. And I didn't

00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:50.639
realise that it was the game that fucking Kin

00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.619
played. And then he tried to explain to me the

00:45:53.619 --> 00:45:55.699
same as every other fucking weave on Reddit.

00:45:55.900 --> 00:45:58.639
No, the story is really good. It's really good.

00:45:58.699 --> 00:46:02.900
The plot's really good. Get fucked. Get fucked.

00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:05.440
Is it good? I'm not going to find out because

00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:07.059
I'm not going to play it. It's gone. But get

00:46:07.059 --> 00:46:09.119
fucked. And when I was scrolling, there was one

00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:14.280
geezer on this fucking Reddit. And he was complaining.

00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.199
um and obviously looking for support because

00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.260
basically his wife kept having a go at him when

00:46:20.260 --> 00:46:22.460
he was playing it because she was like you're

00:46:22.460 --> 00:46:24.300
just playing that because you like to stare at

00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:26.940
the boobs and i and he was complaining saying

00:46:26.940 --> 00:46:29.599
what do i do to convince her that it is actually

00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:31.679
a really good story and that's why i'm playing

00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.500
it you go no it's not That's not why you're playing

00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:38.039
it, is it? No, it definitely is. If you want

00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:40.059
to convince me that the story's fucking amazing

00:46:40.059 --> 00:46:41.780
and you're not playing it because you're looking

00:46:41.780 --> 00:46:45.079
at revealing women for the entire time, get rid

00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:46.659
of them off of the fucking thumbnail for the

00:46:46.659 --> 00:46:48.739
game. And then see how many people download it.

00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.280
Because I can guarantee you they won't be downloading.

00:46:53.019 --> 00:46:54.780
They won't be. Get rid of the cosmetic shop.

00:46:55.179 --> 00:46:59.480
Get rid of that. You fuckers. Typical fucking...

00:47:00.010 --> 00:47:02.309
gacha game almost almost immediately when you

00:47:02.309 --> 00:47:05.210
log in gives you a load of loot boxes for free

00:47:05.210 --> 00:47:08.369
that obviously give you this really really cool

00:47:08.369 --> 00:47:11.070
hero that you can play yeah really fucking rare

00:47:11.070 --> 00:47:13.550
yeah and you think oh shit you get it on the

00:47:13.550 --> 00:47:17.449
first box do you know what so i was i i that

00:47:17.449 --> 00:47:20.989
leads me that reminds me of warhammer tacticus

00:47:20.989 --> 00:47:24.179
yeah yeah because that's a mobile game I was

00:47:24.179 --> 00:47:26.019
looking at that the other day and I did play

00:47:26.019 --> 00:47:29.000
it before I used to play it a lot and I can safely

00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.099
say I've only ever spent £10 on it total but

00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:38.760
the problem is that I'm such a I love 40k I fucking

00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:40.739
love it ever since you guys introduced me to

00:47:40.739 --> 00:47:43.219
it have you guys to thank for that. Oh, really?

00:47:43.300 --> 00:47:44.619
You weren't in? Well, don't thank me because

00:47:44.619 --> 00:47:46.480
I'm not into Warhammer. That's all fucking Connor.

00:47:46.539 --> 00:47:49.380
I'd always heard of it. Yeah. I never knew what

00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:52.340
it was and I never understood it. Yeah. Until,

00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.139
basically, the group chat, you guys, Connor,

00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.940
Leon, you guys, Joe, Ken, basically said, just

00:47:58.940 --> 00:48:02.179
pick it up. You know, look into it. See what

00:48:02.179 --> 00:48:04.239
you want to do. And then I started reading Horace

00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:08.360
Harrison. Excuse me. I've been hooked ever since.

00:48:08.500 --> 00:48:12.619
But I love 40K. And I love any opportunity to

00:48:12.619 --> 00:48:17.500
be able to explore it visually. Visually, audio,

00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.099
or whatever. Whatever means, as you know, 40K.

00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:23.500
Let me intake the content. Exactly. And Tacticus,

00:48:23.579 --> 00:48:25.719
I thought, was a... fucking fantastic opportunity

00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:28.139
to do that because actually all of the artwork

00:48:28.139 --> 00:48:31.300
is accurate yeah yeah all of the models are accurate

00:48:31.300 --> 00:48:34.599
and actually the law that you can glean off of

00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.940
taxicus is accurate um the but i was disappointed

00:48:38.829 --> 00:48:41.369
Because, again, all mobile games are set up in

00:48:41.369 --> 00:48:44.250
the same way. Every single fucking one. You've

00:48:44.250 --> 00:48:46.030
got to spend money in order to be able to...

00:48:46.030 --> 00:48:48.409
It's a grind. And you grind, grind, grind, grind,

00:48:48.469 --> 00:48:49.769
grind. You've got to sink time. You've got to

00:48:49.769 --> 00:48:51.769
sink money into it to be able to get what you

00:48:51.769 --> 00:48:54.309
want. So, for example, in my head, I had the

00:48:54.309 --> 00:48:57.329
idea of wanting to unlock all of the Dark Angels

00:48:57.329 --> 00:49:01.119
characters on Tactica. That is... literally impossible

00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:03.900
unless you're spending hundreds of pounds because

00:49:03.900 --> 00:49:06.300
yeah you have to get a very specific type of

00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:08.780
currency that you have to spend a very specific

00:49:08.780 --> 00:49:10.840
amount of money on in order to be able to open

00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:13.900
a box of a very specific type to be able to unlock

00:49:13.900 --> 00:49:17.340
the dark angels characters so so in my head i'm

00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:18.980
thinking okay i really want to play tactics i

00:49:18.980 --> 00:49:20.400
really want to unlock all of the dark angels

00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.360
characters five or six of them um and then i'll

00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:25.260
be happy i don't care about the other ones yeah

00:49:25.260 --> 00:49:28.050
um but you can't Because it's so specific and

00:49:28.050 --> 00:49:29.989
so targeted. And that was really a big letdown

00:49:29.989 --> 00:49:33.449
for me. But that's how they make money. Well,

00:49:33.469 --> 00:49:36.090
every mobile game's like that. Exactly. I haven't

00:49:36.090 --> 00:49:39.829
set myself the task of it, but have trawled through

00:49:39.829 --> 00:49:44.610
the Play Store to find decent mobile games. Obviously,

00:49:44.650 --> 00:49:47.610
Diablo Immortal was a very good one. I've mentioned

00:49:47.610 --> 00:49:49.190
it on the podcast before. Me and Steph actually

00:49:49.190 --> 00:49:51.349
went on holiday and spent the entire holiday

00:49:51.349 --> 00:49:53.610
playing Diablo Immortal because it was just so

00:49:53.610 --> 00:49:57.670
engaging and so fun. And then... I hit the point

00:49:57.670 --> 00:50:00.449
where it becomes pay to win. And I was like,

00:50:00.489 --> 00:50:03.489
right, this is no longer fun. And it isn't. And

00:50:03.489 --> 00:50:05.349
then there's some really ridiculous number, like

00:50:05.349 --> 00:50:08.010
thousands of pounds that you had to spend to

00:50:08.010 --> 00:50:11.889
statistically get the things that you would want.

00:50:12.090 --> 00:50:14.590
And if you look through any game on the Play

00:50:14.590 --> 00:50:18.960
Store that you don't have to pay for... They

00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.159
are, every single one of them. They're structured

00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.079
the same way. Yeah, every single one. Fallout

00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.860
Shelter, I played quite a lot of. When I come

00:50:26.860 --> 00:50:29.599
away from social media, because you're addicted

00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:33.099
to it, so you'll find something else to take

00:50:33.099 --> 00:50:36.980
up your time. Fallout Shelter was the withdrawal

00:50:36.980 --> 00:50:40.500
helper, if you will. I don't play it anymore

00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:45.460
because I don't want to. But even that in itself,

00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.889
it's not pay to win. But everything's time -gated.

00:50:50.030 --> 00:50:52.570
Yes. Everything takes time and you can spend

00:50:52.570 --> 00:50:55.090
Nuka -Cola to fucking speed things up and it

00:50:55.090 --> 00:50:56.869
gives you a load of that and then lets you use

00:50:56.869 --> 00:50:59.610
it and in some cases makes you use it and then

00:50:59.610 --> 00:51:02.269
introduces that you want more, you can fucking

00:51:02.269 --> 00:51:05.030
pay for it or you can get it from Quest and blah,

00:51:05.130 --> 00:51:08.650
blah, blah. And it's like you can play it without

00:51:08.650 --> 00:51:12.909
paying for it, but it's not so fun. no and that's

00:51:12.909 --> 00:51:14.989
the same with so many mobile games because you

00:51:14.989 --> 00:51:16.849
think right these games are free they have to

00:51:16.849 --> 00:51:18.590
get their money somewhere but it's nice isn't

00:51:18.590 --> 00:51:22.449
it because I didn't realise but mobile games

00:51:22.449 --> 00:51:26.010
the sector of the gaming industry that makes

00:51:26.010 --> 00:51:27.889
the most amount of money is mobile games yeah

00:51:27.889 --> 00:51:30.510
not triple A's it's mobile games because they're

00:51:30.510 --> 00:51:33.130
all fucking they're all so easily accessible

00:51:33.130 --> 00:51:36.159
but they're all pay pay to win or pay to play

00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:38.400
microtransactions yeah through the fucking roof

00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:42.179
yeah and you know you look at League of Legends

00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:46.179
for example and then when they released Teamfight

00:51:46.179 --> 00:51:50.739
Tactics which is which a lot of people actually

00:51:50.739 --> 00:51:54.420
play on their mobile only rather than on the

00:51:54.420 --> 00:51:57.900
PC but also Wild Rift which is their mobile version

00:51:57.900 --> 00:52:00.000
of League of Legends well same with one of the

00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.980
biggest fucking games in the world PUBG mobile

00:52:02.980 --> 00:52:07.320
mobile PUBG Mobile is actually ridiculous. Like,

00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:10.000
you know what? I've actually got nothing but

00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.440
respect for them because obviously that's NetEase,

00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.820
isn't it? That's the Chinese company that make

00:52:15.820 --> 00:52:20.980
pretty much all of the big mobile games. And

00:52:20.980 --> 00:52:24.860
PUBG Mobile, my God, like I did not realize how

00:52:24.860 --> 00:52:29.900
much money it was generating until, I can't even

00:52:29.900 --> 00:52:31.340
remember what the numbers are, but I remember

00:52:31.340 --> 00:52:33.579
seeing them and I thought, what? Let me have

00:52:33.579 --> 00:52:35.400
a look, see what their revenue is. PUBG Mobile

00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:40.599
generated over $10 billion in lifetime revenue

00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:47.519
as of 2023. $10 billion since 2023. Solidifying

00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:49.719
its position as one of the highest -grossing

00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.320
mobile games worldwide, the game, including a

00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.480
Chinese version, Game for Peace, frequently ranks

00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.679
as a top -two revenue generator, with China contributing

00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:02.769
over 60 % of total earnings. That is crazy. It's

00:53:02.769 --> 00:53:05.989
got annual revenue. In 2022, revenue was approximately

00:53:05.989 --> 00:53:09.389
$1 .5 billion. And in 2021, it reached over $2

00:53:09.389 --> 00:53:15.030
billion. China contributes 60 .3%. of revenue

00:53:15.030 --> 00:53:17.829
followed by the united states 10 .7 and japan

00:53:17.829 --> 00:53:22.090
3 .7 uh the game has exceeded 1 billion global

00:53:22.090 --> 00:53:25.389
downloads with india leading in total installs

00:53:25.389 --> 00:53:29.809
at 21 .8 and at peak the game generated a record

00:53:29.809 --> 00:53:35.489
of 2 .6 billion dollars in 2020 wow yeah that

00:53:35.489 --> 00:53:42.269
is crazy what 10 billion dollars It says the

00:53:42.269 --> 00:53:44.730
game's revenue is driven by a consistent live

00:53:44.730 --> 00:53:47.230
ops model featuring seasonal content collaborations

00:53:47.230 --> 00:53:51.150
and a high -performing esports ecosystem. Ah,

00:53:51.150 --> 00:53:56.650
yeah, fine. Fair play. We've got statistics from

00:53:56.650 --> 00:54:00.030
2025. Or we've got statistics from 2026, to be

00:54:00.030 --> 00:54:03.949
fair. Let's have a look. Launched in December

00:54:03.949 --> 00:54:08.949
2017. Spent almost an entire year in Steam's

00:54:08.949 --> 00:54:13.769
early access. Throughout the year, the team finally

00:54:13.769 --> 00:54:15.329
tuned the PUBG experience and it launched on

00:54:15.329 --> 00:54:18.949
next... Oh, this is for console. Blah, blah,

00:54:18.949 --> 00:54:22.469
blah. So, while PUBG generated global popularity,

00:54:22.630 --> 00:54:23.949
it struggled to compete in the United States.

00:54:25.829 --> 00:54:28.530
Mobile was already starting to ascend in 2019.

00:54:30.389 --> 00:54:34.250
In March 2020, when the world went into its first

00:54:34.250 --> 00:54:38.429
lockdown, PUBG Mobile made $270 million a month

00:54:38.429 --> 00:54:42.320
in revenue. Oh, my God. Because COVID was big

00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:44.360
for gaming, man. It may have really fucked some

00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.679
studios. I remember... The games that were already

00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:50.480
out did really fucking well. Warzone. Warzone

00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.079
was a mad one. Fucking Nintendo with the Switch.

00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:54.500
The amount of people that went and bought a Switch

00:54:54.500 --> 00:54:57.840
and then threw them in the bin after. Has made...

00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.699
So PUBG Mobile made $1 .1 billion revenue in

00:55:01.699 --> 00:55:05.139
2024. A slight decrease on the year prior. 25

00:55:05.139 --> 00:55:09.059
million people play PUBG Mobile daily. Daily.

00:55:09.300 --> 00:55:14.940
Daily. 25 million people play PUBG Mobile daily

00:55:14.940 --> 00:55:18.860
and 50 million more play Game for Peace. So there's

00:55:18.860 --> 00:55:23.599
75 million people playing that game and its partner

00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.889
Game for Peace in China daily. daily that is

00:55:27.889 --> 00:55:31.469
actually crazy that is actually nuts in 2014

00:55:31.469 --> 00:55:35.969
pub sorry 2024 pub g mobile was downloaded 101

00:55:35.969 --> 00:55:40.269
million times a slight increase on 2023 that

00:55:40.269 --> 00:55:44.289
is and it launched in 9th of february 2018 have

00:55:44.289 --> 00:55:47.070
you ever played pub g on the pc i played it me

00:55:47.070 --> 00:55:50.170
and me and my best mate mark we fiended it on

00:55:50.170 --> 00:55:54.269
um yeah on console yeah we were we because we

00:55:54.269 --> 00:55:57.639
were really really good at um H1Z1. Oh, right.

00:55:57.739 --> 00:55:59.400
Yeah, nice. We were very fucking good at that.

00:55:59.940 --> 00:56:04.179
And I think when we played on PlayStation in

00:56:04.179 --> 00:56:07.280
the first season, my claim to fame, I was in

00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:12.179
the 0. It was either 0 .01 % or 0 .1 % for that

00:56:12.179 --> 00:56:14.900
first season. I was fucking, I was on that cunt.

00:56:15.019 --> 00:56:17.760
Damn. I was playing heavy. And we were very,

00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:21.219
very good. And then PUBG came out. So we gave

00:56:21.219 --> 00:56:23.960
that a go. And we fucking loved it. But the only

00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:25.719
problem with PUBG is that it was very, very long

00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:28.900
games. Yeah, very long games. And it was also...

00:56:28.900 --> 00:56:31.760
Very tactical. Very unforgiving. Yes. And we

00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:34.599
spend a lot of time... At some points, the longest

00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.340
games were like 45 minutes long and you could

00:56:37.340 --> 00:56:39.599
go an entire game without seeing people and then

00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.039
just get popped at the very end. But the game

00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:44.780
itself, very, very fun. And then we sort of stepped

00:56:44.780 --> 00:56:48.260
away from the Battle Royale model. So, yeah.

00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:50.099
So I haven't played the mobile version, but I

00:56:50.099 --> 00:56:52.860
spent countless hours playing it on console.

00:56:52.940 --> 00:56:55.820
So I know it. I know it very well. Got a lot

00:56:55.820 --> 00:56:57.880
of very good clips from it. I used to play it

00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:02.119
on PC, like in the early days when PUBG was...

00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:08.000
before the mobile version was even a thing. The

00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:13.719
revenue on this is mad. So from 2018, $172 million.

00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:21.800
2019, $1 .5 billion. What? And then 2020, $2

00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:28.119
.5 billion. 2021, $2 billion. 2022, $1 .5 billion.

00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:30.860
So it slowly goes down. But they were the...

00:57:32.489 --> 00:57:36.610
They were the main innovator of Battle Royale,

00:57:36.610 --> 00:57:39.650
though, if you think about it. Weren't they?

00:57:40.650 --> 00:57:44.210
Yeah. They were, weren't they? Battle Royale

00:57:44.210 --> 00:57:48.289
Genesis was... PUBG were the ones that really

00:57:48.289 --> 00:57:52.050
blew the Battle Royale model into outer space.

00:57:53.260 --> 00:57:56.900
What's the genesis? And then Call of Duty responded

00:57:56.900 --> 00:57:59.820
with Warzone and The Dance. Originated from the

00:57:59.820 --> 00:58:04.099
1999 novel and 2000 film of the same name. Yeah,

00:58:04.099 --> 00:58:07.840
the Japanese film. Lasting tropes like Forced

00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:12.099
Man. This concept was popularized in gaming through

00:58:12.099 --> 00:58:15.019
mods for Armor 2 and Armor 3, eventually leading

00:58:15.019 --> 00:58:17.860
to a fully -fledged commercial titles such as

00:58:17.860 --> 00:58:20.079
PlayerUnknown's PUBG. Yeah, exactly, yeah. So

00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:24.699
PUBG and then, I guess, then what did you have

00:58:24.699 --> 00:58:32.659
after? H1Z1 was not a genesis to Battle Royales,

00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:35.340
but it was definitely because H1Z1 was a mod

00:58:35.340 --> 00:58:42.329
off of DayZ. Right, gotcha. Kind of. Of the same

00:58:42.329 --> 00:58:44.449
thing. But yeah. I guess you could say. Armor.

00:58:44.650 --> 00:58:46.889
Armor 1. Oh sorry. Armor 2. Armor 3. And then

00:58:46.889 --> 00:58:50.469
PUBG. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Let's say. PUBG was

00:58:50.469 --> 00:58:53.030
the first. I think stand alone. I think so. This

00:58:53.030 --> 00:58:54.530
is just a battle royale. Yeah. This is what this

00:58:54.530 --> 00:58:58.030
is. Yeah. Spawned the entire genre. Because then

00:58:58.030 --> 00:59:01.809
very very quickly. Apex Legends came out. Apex

00:59:01.809 --> 00:59:04.510
Legends was fun. To be fair. It was very very

00:59:04.510 --> 00:59:07.730
refreshing. But yeah. Warzone. I mean. To be

00:59:07.730 --> 00:59:10.130
fair. I think it's safe to say that. King of

00:59:10.130 --> 00:59:13.469
Battle Royale now these days is probably Warzone,

00:59:13.510 --> 00:59:19.530
no? Either Warzone or Fortnite is the prevailing...

00:59:19.530 --> 00:59:21.050
Yeah, for a while. I think Fortnite probably

00:59:21.050 --> 00:59:22.889
does better in terms of revenue generation than

00:59:22.889 --> 00:59:26.849
Warzone, but I think Warzone is... I mean, you

00:59:26.849 --> 00:59:29.190
play it and you think, do you know what? I fucking

00:59:29.190 --> 00:59:32.710
hate them. Really? Yeah, yeah. I find them so

00:59:32.710 --> 00:59:38.889
incredibly boring. It's the fix of constantly...

00:59:39.650 --> 00:59:42.309
fighting for something and then when you finally

00:59:42.309 --> 00:59:45.050
win and then you win again and then you win again

00:59:45.050 --> 00:59:47.070
and you win again and then you go this is just

00:59:47.070 --> 00:59:50.010
the same loop it's just boring I just find it

00:59:50.010 --> 00:59:55.630
boring I don't know why I feel like maybe it's

00:59:55.630 --> 00:59:57.730
just because I'm getting older because like even

00:59:57.730 --> 01:00:02.030
like Battlefield 6 loved it I think it's an incredible

01:00:02.030 --> 01:00:04.289
game I don't play it and I won't play it again

01:00:04.289 --> 01:00:07.639
because I'm just not interested in it Yeah. Ark

01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:09.360
Raiders, I think, is fantastic. And whenever

01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:11.860
I play it, I have so much fun. These are games

01:00:11.860 --> 01:00:14.679
which, I mean, Battlefield 6, Ark Raiders, I

01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:16.039
mean, I've not played Ark Raiders, so I can't

01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:19.980
really say much for it, excuse me. But what I

01:00:19.980 --> 01:00:22.260
will say is that Battlefield 6, it was only really

01:00:22.260 --> 01:00:25.639
fun for me when I was playing with people. Same

01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:27.760
here. When I was squatted up. Yeah. And we're

01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.420
just twatting people in a tank. Yeah, that's

01:00:30.420 --> 01:00:31.980
exactly what I was doing. Or we're running around

01:00:31.980 --> 01:00:35.460
twatting people in the tanks. Yeah. Or, you know,

01:00:35.460 --> 01:00:37.280
again, I'd imagine it would be the same with

01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:40.039
Ark Raiders. Like, I play Warzone every now and

01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:41.340
then. I've got a friend of mine, close friend

01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:43.619
of mine, Robert, who the only game we ever play

01:00:43.619 --> 01:00:48.340
together is Warzone because, you know, he's never

01:00:48.340 --> 01:00:52.059
really in a country. And when we do play, Warzone

01:00:52.059 --> 01:00:53.420
is one of those games where you can pick up and

01:00:53.420 --> 01:00:54.960
it doesn't matter how bad or good you are, you

01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:58.320
can still jump in and just join the action. But

01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:02.280
Warzone, I mean, it's pretty polished, apart

01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:05.539
from the hackers. but it's annoyingly polished,

01:01:05.739 --> 01:01:08.019
despite the amount of... Well, it's because of

01:01:08.019 --> 01:01:10.000
how much fucking money they make off of it. Yeah,

01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:11.900
and do you know what's right? So they've partnered

01:01:11.900 --> 01:01:14.920
with Fallout in their most recent content. Yeah,

01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:16.760
yeah. And you can literally run around as the

01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:18.539
dude from Fallout, and you can run around in

01:01:18.539 --> 01:01:22.320
power armors. Or the ghoul. Yeah, and... Oh,

01:01:22.340 --> 01:01:25.320
I can't remember his name. Maximus is the power

01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:29.670
armor geyser. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know,

01:01:29.690 --> 01:01:32.429
man. It's weird. It's just, I remember I got

01:01:32.429 --> 01:01:39.829
killed by a really janky animated outline character

01:01:39.829 --> 01:01:45.710
thing. Do you know Butthead? What are they called?

01:01:45.809 --> 01:01:47.630
Beavis and Butthead. Beavis and Butthead? Yeah.

01:01:47.849 --> 01:01:52.309
I got killed in a game of Warzone by Beavis.

01:01:52.309 --> 01:01:55.369
And I was like... What the fuck is happening?

01:01:55.530 --> 01:01:57.170
And then Nicki Minaj come running around the

01:01:57.170 --> 01:01:58.610
corner. And then fucking Nicki Minaj, yeah, and

01:01:58.610 --> 01:02:01.510
then Snoop Dogg. And I'm like, but Beavis. I

01:02:01.510 --> 01:02:03.469
was like, what? What happened? And then I go

01:02:03.469 --> 01:02:05.730
into the cash store, onto the store. Yeah. Where

01:02:05.730 --> 01:02:07.789
you can buy stuff with cop points. And I see

01:02:07.789 --> 01:02:09.369
Beavis and Butthead there. Don't get me wrong.

01:02:09.510 --> 01:02:12.510
It's incredibly funny. Or like Family Guy and

01:02:12.510 --> 01:02:16.329
then the Simpsons and shit. But like... Fortnite's

01:02:16.329 --> 01:02:18.289
always been very, very good at its cosmetics.

01:02:18.610 --> 01:02:20.510
Yes. Can't take it away from it. And I loved

01:02:20.510 --> 01:02:22.150
Fortnite when it first came out. I played that

01:02:22.150 --> 01:02:24.750
game fucking so much. How did you get into Fortnite?

01:02:24.909 --> 01:02:31.070
I absolutely loved it for a long time. And they

01:02:31.070 --> 01:02:33.309
nail their cosmetics and their collaborations.

01:02:33.530 --> 01:02:37.389
I logged into Fortnite not crazy long ago and

01:02:37.389 --> 01:02:39.170
I didn't understand what the fuck was going on.

01:02:39.190 --> 01:02:40.210
Really? Because it's a completely different game.

01:02:40.269 --> 01:02:41.849
How much has changed? Completely different. Wow.

01:02:42.429 --> 01:02:44.449
You've still got the Battle Royale, but the amount

01:02:44.449 --> 01:02:46.869
of different modes and community things and just

01:02:46.869 --> 01:02:50.690
the menu, I was like... Overwhelming. A Fortnite

01:02:50.690 --> 01:02:53.210
kid understands this. An adult mind does not.

01:02:53.289 --> 01:02:55.949
I don't get this. This is too much for me, so

01:02:55.949 --> 01:02:58.809
I'm immediately backing out. I can't do this.

01:03:00.070 --> 01:03:02.090
But yeah, the cosmetics are great, and they do

01:03:02.090 --> 01:03:06.210
a really good job at designing them. And it's

01:03:06.210 --> 01:03:08.789
only natural that any other Battle Royale looks

01:03:08.789 --> 01:03:10.860
at that and goes, I want a piece of that. Oh,

01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:12.380
yeah, because the amount of money that they're

01:03:12.380 --> 01:03:14.960
making from those partnerships. Yeah, but sometimes

01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.880
it just goes too far over, which is exactly what

01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:21.880
fucking Warzone did, and you end up with ridiculous

01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:26.280
collaborations. The Stranger Things one was weird.

01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:29.360
Yeah, yeah. It was weird. And then you just end

01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:33.860
up with... The backlash that Battlefield received

01:03:33.860 --> 01:03:36.599
when they brought out some operators for Battlefield

01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:40.320
6 and just the skins were slightly too colourful

01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:42.039
and everyone kicked off because they were like,

01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:44.539
you said this was going to be realism and you

01:03:44.539 --> 01:03:46.480
fucking brought out an operator in a bright green

01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:50.000
outfit. The outfit itself is tactical but it's

01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.940
bright green. That's not the case. So they dialed

01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:58.719
it down. You can always see the sneakiness of

01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:02.380
the company's Obviously think like, what can

01:04:02.380 --> 01:04:03.679
we get away with? What can we get away with?

01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:05.719
Fucking World of Warcraft, where I've spoken

01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:07.400
about it a couple of times in this, with the

01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:09.820
Brutasaur. Yes. So if you're not aware of what

01:04:09.820 --> 01:04:12.460
I'm talking about, in Battle for Azeroth, there

01:04:12.460 --> 01:04:15.500
was a mount that was brought out called the Brutasaur

01:04:15.500 --> 01:04:18.940
mount. And it was gold cap, I think, to buy it.

01:04:19.460 --> 01:04:22.719
Or if not, it was extremely expensive. Stupidly

01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:24.480
expensive. You had to be a whale to be able to

01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:27.179
fucking afford this or do some serious gold purchasing.

01:04:27.699 --> 01:04:30.559
And the unique thing about this mount is that,

01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:34.280
When you mounted up, you had an auctioneer on

01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:38.199
the side of it and a mailbox, right? Was it a

01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.000
mailbox or was it a repair? No, so that one was

01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:45.139
the auctioneer and repair bot. And repair bot.

01:04:45.219 --> 01:04:47.460
Yeah. So, again, if you don't know what I'm on

01:04:47.460 --> 01:04:50.849
about. in World of Warcraft and most MMOs there's

01:04:50.849 --> 01:04:54.429
a market called an auction and it's where players

01:04:54.429 --> 01:04:57.630
can sell things and you can buy things and it's

01:04:57.630 --> 01:05:03.590
basically the main economy for the server that

01:05:03.590 --> 01:05:05.530
you're playing on and you can really fuck up

01:05:05.530 --> 01:05:07.389
that economy by fucking around with the auction

01:05:07.389 --> 01:05:10.389
house and that has been done multiple times in

01:05:10.389 --> 01:05:14.210
the past but yeah it's your main economy player

01:05:14.210 --> 01:05:18.630
driven economy and so they're only located in

01:05:18.630 --> 01:05:21.869
main cities or some really really niche areas

01:05:21.869 --> 01:05:23.989
so if you wanted something and you were out in

01:05:23.989 --> 01:05:25.349
the open world you had to go all the way to a

01:05:25.349 --> 01:05:27.829
main city and then travel back to where you were

01:05:27.829 --> 01:05:29.429
and it was time consuming and annoying so they

01:05:29.429 --> 01:05:31.289
brought out this mount where if you had enough

01:05:31.289 --> 01:05:35.070
gold it would have the auctioneer on it um which

01:05:35.070 --> 01:05:38.269
was great very unique when the battle for azeroth

01:05:38.269 --> 01:05:41.130
expansion was done that mount disappeared yes

01:05:41.130 --> 01:05:44.820
right so became very very unique so the only

01:05:44.820 --> 01:05:46.780
people that would have that like once that expansion

01:05:46.780 --> 01:05:48.500
was done it was done you could never get that

01:05:48.500 --> 01:05:50.000
amount again the only time you could ever get

01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.659
it was on something called the black market which

01:05:52.659 --> 01:05:56.539
only which is a well it's a black market where

01:05:56.539 --> 01:05:59.739
three or four items will go on go on there every

01:05:59.739 --> 01:06:02.219
in a rotation yeah and people can bid on them

01:06:02.219 --> 01:06:04.780
and they they go for ridiculous amounts of gold

01:06:04.780 --> 01:06:07.239
and they're sometimes unclaimed black market

01:06:07.239 --> 01:06:10.860
containers that you can get where You can get

01:06:10.860 --> 01:06:12.699
absolutely anything from them. You can get absolute

01:06:12.699 --> 01:06:14.920
shit or you can get some of the best fucking

01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:19.139
mounts, cosmetics that are so hard to obtain

01:06:19.139 --> 01:06:22.960
or no longer obtainable. But it's a gamble and

01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:24.699
it can cost you a hell of a lot of money. And

01:06:24.699 --> 01:06:26.760
every now and then the Brutal Mount will pop

01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:28.760
up and it would always go for gold cap, which

01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:34.500
was what? 9 ,999 ,000 something or 9 ,999, whatever

01:06:34.500 --> 01:06:41.400
it is. So very, very cool mount to have. fast

01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:45.480
forward to a couple of expansions after which

01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:47.199
was was it the war within when they brought it

01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:49.519
out or was it it's this one it was it was this

01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:54.460
season it was season two so so blizzard announced

01:06:54.460 --> 01:06:59.239
a in -game a shop mount that you can buy because

01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:00.440
they've got a section on the shop where you can

01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:02.719
buy mounts and there's quite a few some really

01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:06.449
cool ones um They in no way impede your gameplay

01:07:06.449 --> 01:07:08.750
whatsoever. The cosmetics you can buy on World

01:07:08.750 --> 01:07:11.050
of Warcraft, there's no pay to win aspect from

01:07:11.050 --> 01:07:16.409
Blizzard themselves. They announced a gilded

01:07:16.409 --> 01:07:20.269
Brutosaur, which is the same thing as the current

01:07:20.269 --> 01:07:23.369
Brutosaur, except this one had a mailbox attached

01:07:23.369 --> 01:07:25.449
to it as well. So if you buy anything off the

01:07:25.449 --> 01:07:27.150
auction house, it sends it to you in your mail,

01:07:27.190 --> 01:07:28.530
and then you go to a mailbox, and then boom,

01:07:28.550 --> 01:07:30.369
you've got it. So effectively, what it meant

01:07:30.369 --> 01:07:32.710
is that you could mount up... buy something from

01:07:32.710 --> 01:07:34.730
the auction house wherever you are in the world

01:07:34.730 --> 01:07:37.110
and receive it in your mailbox in exactly the

01:07:37.110 --> 01:07:39.269
same place because what you'd have to do previously

01:07:39.269 --> 01:07:41.570
with just a Brutosaurus is stand outside a mailbox

01:07:41.570 --> 01:07:45.929
or use a toy or whatever that would summon an

01:07:45.929 --> 01:07:49.670
in -game mailbox for you so they popped it up

01:07:49.670 --> 01:07:52.550
on the store for what was it 60 quid 60 quid

01:07:52.550 --> 01:07:55.400
yeah 60 quid 60 pounds right and everyone went

01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:58.300
fucking wild and the world of warcraft community

01:07:58.300 --> 01:08:00.760
is very similar to most communities where if

01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.340
you're telling me that it's unobtainable and

01:08:03.340 --> 01:08:06.880
i can obtain it i'm gonna buy it and i think

01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:08.860
i was one of the very few people in our guild

01:08:08.860 --> 01:08:11.219
that didn't purchase i also didn't yeah and i

01:08:11.219 --> 01:08:13.519
came so fucking close to purchasing it and the

01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:15.360
only reason i didn't was because every other

01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:17.600
fucker bought one So I was like, well, realistically,

01:08:17.739 --> 01:08:20.020
the only times I'm really going to need it, someone

01:08:20.020 --> 01:08:22.060
in this guild is going to have it. So I'm going

01:08:22.060 --> 01:08:23.699
to let someone else fucking spend the money.

01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:27.760
So I've got the numbers here as to how much revenue

01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:30.619
Blizzard generated from releasing that. Just

01:08:30.619 --> 01:08:32.720
one mount. Just that one mount. Not even, and

01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:34.600
it's a nice looking mount. They re -skinned it.

01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:39.300
Yeah. And they put like these emblems on it that...

01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:42.420
basically represented each expansion or something

01:08:42.420 --> 01:08:45.460
and bearing in mind it's a limited thing as well

01:08:45.460 --> 01:08:47.640
so they had it for a limited amount of time on

01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:49.699
the store you can't get it anymore but they didn't

01:08:49.699 --> 01:08:51.159
design them out from the ground up let's not

01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:53.399
get confused with that they just took a current

01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:55.659
model and reskinned it it was a reskin and then

01:08:55.659 --> 01:08:57.699
added a different fuck it added a mailbox onto

01:08:57.699 --> 01:08:59.779
it exactly literally it's probably I don't know

01:08:59.779 --> 01:09:03.680
like 15 lines of code yeah so we are looking

01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:08.010
at so actually so we said 60 quid right Yeah.

01:09:08.090 --> 01:09:13.729
It was $90 actually in the US. So it was 15 to

01:09:13.729 --> 01:09:17.770
nearly 20 million US dollars in revenue that

01:09:17.770 --> 01:09:22.609
Blizzard generated as of early 2025. Owned by

01:09:22.609 --> 01:09:26.010
over 12 % of players. The mount is considered

01:09:26.010 --> 01:09:28.590
one of the most successful high value in -game

01:09:28.590 --> 01:09:33.170
store items. Yeah. That is nuts. What an incredible,

01:09:33.329 --> 01:09:36.109
incredible fucking business model to release

01:09:36.109 --> 01:09:39.729
a mount years prior that was incredibly hard

01:09:39.729 --> 01:09:43.800
to obtain anyway and then... get rid of it, say

01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:45.939
it's never coming back unless it's on the black

01:09:45.939 --> 01:09:48.159
market, which again is incredibly hard to obtain,

01:09:48.340 --> 01:09:51.420
and then release a very, very, very similar mount

01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:53.220
that does exactly the same thing on the store

01:09:53.220 --> 01:09:56.039
for a very high price, and then just let people

01:09:56.039 --> 01:10:00.079
go fucking wild. What it also did was open up

01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:04.449
a load of discussion about... a lot of mounts

01:10:04.449 --> 01:10:07.270
that you cannot obtain anymore, like the Swift

01:10:07.270 --> 01:10:10.310
Spectral Tiger mount, the Rooster Chicken mount,

01:10:10.430 --> 01:10:12.170
which is something that I really fucking want,

01:10:12.329 --> 01:10:16.550
the Blizzard Bear, the BlizzCon Bear. Yes. So

01:10:16.550 --> 01:10:19.310
these mounts I'm talking about were from a trading

01:10:19.310 --> 01:10:23.250
card game from the Burning Crusade era where

01:10:23.250 --> 01:10:25.289
you would buy these trading cards and then you

01:10:25.289 --> 01:10:26.850
could scratch a code off the back and you had

01:10:26.850 --> 01:10:31.210
a chance of obtaining a mount. And these sell

01:10:31.210 --> 01:10:35.050
for incredible amounts of gold. You can still

01:10:35.050 --> 01:10:38.130
buy them today because people obviously have

01:10:38.130 --> 01:10:39.869
the cards with the codes and they never cash

01:10:39.869 --> 01:10:43.130
them in. So you can still get them. But if I

01:10:43.130 --> 01:10:45.770
was to get hold of a Swift Spectral Tiger card

01:10:45.770 --> 01:10:49.850
with the loot unclaimed, seven and a half grand.

01:10:50.189 --> 01:10:54.090
Wow. Seven and a half. Seven and a half grand.

01:10:54.149 --> 01:10:56.750
And this is the wild thing. I wanted that. There

01:10:56.750 --> 01:11:00.319
are people that will... gladly pay that money.

01:11:00.579 --> 01:11:03.420
Yeah. They will. There are. There are. In fact,

01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:06.260
I can think of one person in my head right now

01:11:06.260 --> 01:11:09.739
who would. Who? Oh, I think we should save that

01:11:09.739 --> 01:11:15.840
for the Patreon. It's just a mad sum of money.

01:11:16.659 --> 01:11:18.500
It's madness because the mountain doesn't even

01:11:18.500 --> 01:11:24.779
do anything. That is a Gucci bag. Yes. That is

01:11:24.779 --> 01:11:27.829
seven and a half grand. I mean, what? let's see

01:11:27.829 --> 01:11:31.250
here's a fun exercise what if you had seven and

01:11:31.250 --> 01:11:33.750
a half grand I'm not spending it on a mount no

01:11:33.750 --> 01:11:36.289
you're not so what would you spend it on I'd

01:11:36.289 --> 01:11:37.890
probably do something boring like put it towards

01:11:37.890 --> 01:11:40.890
a mortgage or get a new fucking fence yeah mate

01:11:40.890 --> 01:11:45.829
you know what I'd put that into getting a fucking

01:11:45.829 --> 01:11:49.300
I don't know I'd probably redecorate Yeah, you

01:11:49.300 --> 01:11:52.359
put it into something fucking practical. It's

01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:54.140
not a mount in a game. But what I'm saying is

01:11:54.140 --> 01:11:56.359
that that is a statement for anyone who's running

01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:58.199
around with one of those mounts. It's a statement

01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:00.199
because you're looking at that guy and that geezer

01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:02.119
has either been playing for a very, very long

01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:04.500
time and was very lucky or has spent a hell of

01:12:04.500 --> 01:12:06.739
a lot of money. But do you know what? That does

01:12:06.739 --> 01:12:10.960
then lead you to realise though, this is one

01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:13.220
of the beautiful things I think about MMOs and

01:12:13.220 --> 01:12:15.760
gaming in general is that you will have people

01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:19.289
from literally all walks of life. convening on

01:12:19.289 --> 01:12:22.649
that one platform yeah so so you will have you

01:12:22.649 --> 01:12:28.229
will have um for example you can have a very

01:12:28.229 --> 01:12:32.050
giga rich and successful person yeah in life

01:12:32.050 --> 01:12:38.390
who is you know i wouldn't say i don't have a

01:12:38.390 --> 01:12:40.529
thing to worry about but you know they're pretty

01:12:40.529 --> 01:12:42.869
well set up and money's not a problem for them

01:12:42.869 --> 01:12:45.470
yeah you're gonna have people people like that

01:12:46.980 --> 01:12:50.380
playing with someone who's probably two months

01:12:50.380 --> 01:12:55.420
behind in rent you know and and you know it kind

01:12:55.420 --> 01:12:58.020
of levels the playing field and you know even

01:12:58.020 --> 01:13:01.239
if we were to look inward at hoofs we obviously

01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:03.600
we don't know what the backgrounds are of every

01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:06.279
single person in there yeah you know one one

01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:08.000
thing i can say for sure is that we've got people

01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:09.479
from all sorts of different backgrounds of all

01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:12.140
sorts of different stations of life all sorts

01:13:12.140 --> 01:13:15.100
of in stages of life um and it's quite interesting

01:13:15.100 --> 01:13:16.720
isn't it because you can have a giga giga rich

01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:18.899
person who has all of the gizmos and gadgets

01:13:18.899 --> 01:13:20.619
but you can actually also similarly have someone

01:13:20.619 --> 01:13:24.279
who's really really really good at the game which

01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:27.039
said super rich and successful person will look

01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:29.319
at and think oh my god you are so good at this

01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:33.909
game teach me yeah help me but then in an outside

01:13:33.909 --> 01:13:36.270
world in an outside world they would never interact

01:13:36.270 --> 01:13:39.409
with each other right not not to say that that

01:13:39.409 --> 01:13:41.270
said rich person would be like get away from

01:13:41.270 --> 01:13:45.109
me you dirty peasant but but you see where i'm

01:13:45.109 --> 01:13:47.750
coming from yeah the likelihood of them ever

01:13:47.750 --> 01:13:49.829
interacting with each other is almost non -existent

01:13:49.829 --> 01:13:51.470
yeah they don't entertain in the same circle

01:13:51.470 --> 01:13:54.979
exactly whereas on on a game yeah It happens.

01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:57.760
But even, let's say you and I, for example, what

01:13:57.760 --> 01:13:59.359
would have been the likelihood of me and you

01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:01.539
meeting? We wouldn't have. We wouldn't have because

01:14:01.539 --> 01:14:04.939
the industry that you work in is a completely

01:14:04.939 --> 01:14:07.399
different industry to what I work in. It's the

01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:09.979
same with Leon. I mean, Leon wouldn't have met

01:14:09.979 --> 01:14:13.500
anyone because he lives on the edge of the world.

01:14:14.100 --> 01:14:18.180
He lives in a fucking field in Wales. He lives

01:14:18.180 --> 01:14:25.979
in nowhere. Cunt lives nowhere. to be fair though

01:14:25.979 --> 01:14:28.000
he can go surfing whenever he wants that's pretty

01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:29.479
cool yeah but he might as well live at fucking

01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:33.420
Point Nemo like he doesn't live anywhere it looks

01:14:33.420 --> 01:14:35.859
lovely where he lives don't get me wrong I really

01:14:35.859 --> 01:14:40.140
like it but he lives nowhere what was his train

01:14:40.140 --> 01:14:43.140
journey to your wedding like 16 hours some bullshit

01:14:43.140 --> 01:14:50.659
like that mine was a 10 minute drive yeah it's

01:14:50.659 --> 01:14:52.500
just it's just fucking that's the whole that's

01:14:52.500 --> 01:14:56.479
the That's the whole point of it, isn't it? Massively

01:14:56.479 --> 01:15:00.659
multiplayer online. Oh, no, it's great. We're

01:15:00.659 --> 01:15:05.579
very lucky to be in the grips of exactly what

01:15:05.579 --> 01:15:09.720
this game is designed for. Yes. We are one of

01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:13.819
the very, very few communities where that is...

01:15:14.220 --> 01:15:17.819
that is a driver and it's remained what it is

01:15:17.819 --> 01:15:22.039
today. And do you know what? There aren't actually

01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:25.939
that many games out there that can state that

01:15:25.939 --> 01:15:28.439
this has remained the case. I think there are

01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:30.079
a lot of games out there that started off this

01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:32.340
way, but inevitably just... Well, they just don't

01:15:32.340 --> 01:15:34.460
stay. Look, Wales is always going to be number

01:15:34.460 --> 01:15:38.119
one for a very long time. I... Me personally,

01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:39.840
there's never going to be anything that will

01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:43.140
unseat it for me because it's just such a big

01:15:43.140 --> 01:15:47.500
part of my life. And every single person who

01:15:47.500 --> 01:15:50.399
has ever played World of Warcraft and is as addicted

01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:52.420
to it as we are, because that's what we are as

01:15:52.420 --> 01:15:55.859
addicts, right? We'll have all tried to play

01:15:55.859 --> 01:15:57.760
something else to get away from it. 100%. We've

01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:01.819
all tried ESO, Final Fantasy, Guild Wars, Guild

01:16:01.819 --> 01:16:07.600
Wars 2, New World, fucking anything. Ion. Yep,

01:16:07.619 --> 01:16:10.659
anything that comes out. Even Diablo to a point.

01:16:12.020 --> 01:16:15.680
And all that Korean game that came out a while

01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:17.840
ago that was extremely popular and then... Last

01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:20.979
Epoch. Fell short. Last Epoch that was, I think.

01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:24.220
I think it was Last something. I know the one

01:16:24.220 --> 01:16:26.600
you're on about, but it wasn't that. Asmongold

01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:30.100
played it quite a bit. Last... I swear it was

01:16:30.100 --> 01:16:35.020
Last Epoch. E -P -O -C -H. I'm pretty sure it

01:16:35.020 --> 01:16:37.189
was. I think it was a South Korean. I'm pretty

01:16:37.189 --> 01:16:41.989
sure it was Last Epoch. I think. No, it wasn't

01:16:41.989 --> 01:16:50.670
that. Last... South... Korean... Korean... Last

01:16:50.670 --> 01:16:55.029
Tiddy? MMO? I really want to find it now because

01:16:55.029 --> 01:16:55.909
it's going to piss me off. You're not talking

01:16:55.909 --> 01:16:59.590
about terror. Lost Ark. Lost Ark. Lost Ark. There

01:16:59.590 --> 01:17:02.569
you go. Lost Ark. Played that for a bit. Fucking

01:17:02.569 --> 01:17:05.229
Black Desert Online. Yeah. There's all this shit.

01:17:05.310 --> 01:17:09.949
Even once human. Yeah. But nothing, nothing,

01:17:10.090 --> 01:17:14.289
nothing, nothing is ever the same. No. As well.

01:17:14.470 --> 01:17:18.260
They've done something. That is like crack. I

01:17:18.260 --> 01:17:22.000
don't know what it is. So there was a comment

01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:26.479
on a YouTube short that I watched of Ashes of

01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:28.539
Creation. So obviously there's been a lot of

01:17:28.539 --> 01:17:30.479
controversy surrounding Ashes of Creation because

01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:32.720
they've gone into early access on Steam for 50

01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:36.079
quid. And yes, they do make a disclaimer and

01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:38.079
say, look, it's not a complete game. This is

01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:40.640
what you are purchasing. It's not a complete

01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:42.439
game, even though we have a fully functioning

01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:44.500
cash shop, which interestingly works perfectly.

01:17:47.010 --> 01:17:50.689
Yeah. You put time and effort into that one.

01:17:50.970 --> 01:17:54.590
Not the fucking rest of the game. So there was

01:17:54.590 --> 01:17:58.369
a comment on a short that was talked about. So

01:17:58.369 --> 01:18:00.470
there was a short that someone that purchased

01:18:00.470 --> 01:18:02.369
the early access is playing around with Asher's

01:18:02.369 --> 01:18:03.930
creation, which by the way, looks very good.

01:18:04.289 --> 01:18:05.869
It's got a lot of potential. There's a lot of

01:18:05.869 --> 01:18:10.430
bones there for them to work with. And someone,

01:18:10.590 --> 01:18:13.109
the creator, the person that uploaded the video

01:18:13.109 --> 01:18:17.020
was talking about the movement. And how the feedback,

01:18:17.180 --> 01:18:20.939
the haptic feedback and how fluid it feels. And

01:18:20.939 --> 01:18:22.960
they said the potential for it is there, but

01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:26.739
it needs some refining. It's not snappy. And

01:18:26.739 --> 01:18:28.420
there was someone that made a comment that really

01:18:28.420 --> 01:18:32.119
stuck with me. And they said, the gold standard

01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:34.819
for character and player movement and animation

01:18:34.819 --> 01:18:38.159
is World of Warcraft. And has always been World

01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:42.149
of Warcraft, even back in vanilla. the snappiness

01:18:42.149 --> 01:18:44.689
of the character movement I agree even if you

01:18:44.689 --> 01:18:46.989
go back and play classic WoW now and vanilla

01:18:46.989 --> 01:18:51.390
you will think oh these movements they look janky

01:18:51.390 --> 01:18:54.090
but they feel the same because it's you know

01:18:54.090 --> 01:18:58.510
it's old animations but they are responsive to

01:18:58.510 --> 01:19:01.670
the point where you know playing a caster you

01:19:01.670 --> 01:19:05.029
cast a spell and all of the classic handies that

01:19:05.029 --> 01:19:07.529
are listening to me saying this right now you'll

01:19:07.529 --> 01:19:10.789
know exactly what I mean even back in vanilla

01:19:10.789 --> 01:19:14.329
wow went your cast bar that was accurate to 0

01:19:14.329 --> 01:19:17.310
.1 milliseconds yeah yeah yeah on on the delay

01:19:17.310 --> 01:19:19.270
in the feedback yeah right which is why you're

01:19:19.270 --> 01:19:21.289
able to overlap your spell casting because it

01:19:21.289 --> 01:19:25.329
was that responsive yeah so but how often can

01:19:25.329 --> 01:19:28.579
you get that and say that with any other mmo

01:19:28.579 --> 01:19:31.319
you can't you can't the closest the closest that

01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:33.319
you would have is final fantasy online exactly

01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:35.920
and i played a hell of a lot of it when i was

01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:37.979
trying to get away from world of warcraft i remember

01:19:37.979 --> 01:19:39.640
putting it in the discord i was like i think

01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:44.859
i'm i'm moving to final fantasy and those fucking

01:19:44.859 --> 01:19:47.239
cunts where you have to put almost 200 hours

01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:49.779
worth of playtime into it just to start getting

01:19:49.779 --> 01:19:52.960
into the story fuck off i'm not doing that and

01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:55.500
i didn't i tell you what really irked me about

01:19:55.500 --> 01:19:58.399
Final Fantasy was the fact that you didn't have

01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:01.479
specific classes that you would create the characters

01:20:01.479 --> 01:20:04.199
to be in so you could be a job yeah at first

01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:06.880
I thought what a great idea but then it quickly

01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:09.739
realised it takes away the identity yeah all

01:20:09.739 --> 01:20:11.020
identity from your character because you can

01:20:11.020 --> 01:20:13.260
be whatever you want yeah 100 % me and Ash obviously

01:20:13.260 --> 01:20:15.680
played it and we were playing it parallel to

01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:17.899
each other and sometimes we did play together

01:20:17.899 --> 01:20:22.189
and For him, it's different because he's never

01:20:22.189 --> 01:20:24.489
played an MMO before, so he's completely blind

01:20:24.489 --> 01:20:27.729
to it. Whereas for me, you always compare. You

01:20:27.729 --> 01:20:30.449
always compare. You can't get away from it. And

01:20:30.449 --> 01:20:37.090
the art style is not my kind of art style. It's

01:20:37.090 --> 01:20:40.909
so similar to WoW, but different. Yes. Where

01:20:40.909 --> 01:20:43.270
you sit and you go, I can understand why people

01:20:43.270 --> 01:20:45.189
find this so popular and why it is the second

01:20:45.189 --> 01:20:47.510
best, but it's the second best. And it's the

01:20:47.510 --> 01:20:49.949
second best for a reason. Now, WoW has the upper

01:20:49.949 --> 01:20:51.590
hand because it was the first one of its kind

01:20:51.590 --> 01:20:54.090
to come out. It set the example, but what it

01:20:54.090 --> 01:20:57.310
did that so many games aren't able to retain

01:20:57.310 --> 01:21:00.170
is leading that example. Yes, and actually keep

01:21:00.170 --> 01:21:02.189
developing that. Yeah, you go, we are number

01:21:02.189 --> 01:21:05.029
one and we are the first game to come out of

01:21:05.029 --> 01:21:07.890
this kind and we are the best. And we are the

01:21:07.890 --> 01:21:09.829
best because we're the only one, but we are the

01:21:09.829 --> 01:21:13.069
best. and then to be able to maintain it for

01:21:13.069 --> 01:21:17.670
two decades and go, no, we are the fucking best,

01:21:17.869 --> 01:21:20.250
regardless of if we have our downward slopes

01:21:20.250 --> 01:21:22.710
or whatever, we are the best. Well, it's cyclical,

01:21:22.750 --> 01:21:27.310
isn't it? World of Warcraft has always been cyclical

01:21:27.310 --> 01:21:30.909
in terms of what? you know, their ups and downs.

01:21:31.029 --> 01:21:33.930
I mean, they started going on downward trajectory

01:21:33.930 --> 01:21:36.970
when they released. So it was after Rafa Lich

01:21:36.970 --> 01:21:39.489
King and then Cataclysm. Yeah. Cataclysm was

01:21:39.489 --> 01:21:41.770
sort of like the herald of the first downward

01:21:41.770 --> 01:21:44.390
trend after Rafa Lich King. Rafa Lich King was

01:21:44.390 --> 01:21:47.149
absolute peak. I mean, back then, back then,

01:21:47.170 --> 01:21:49.720
there was like, was it? 17 million concurrent

01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:51.779
players every day. They really hit the fucking

01:21:51.779 --> 01:21:53.840
gold mine with Wrath of the Lich King. Wrath

01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:56.140
of the Lich King was insane. The fact that that

01:21:56.140 --> 01:22:00.000
was the second expansion in World of Warcraft

01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:04.760
and to this day it is still regarded as the most

01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:07.979
popular. The best one. And I think, so they started

01:22:07.979 --> 01:22:10.079
going on a downward trend with Cataclysm and

01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:12.079
then subsequently Mists of Pandaria and then

01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:16.539
subsequently Warlords of Draenor. But it then

01:22:16.539 --> 01:22:19.380
peaked again at Legion. And I think Legion was

01:22:19.380 --> 01:22:23.260
a really, really good example of how they combined

01:22:23.260 --> 01:22:29.039
modern innovation with what they knew was best

01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:31.119
about WoW. Don't get me wrong, I don't think

01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:34.739
Legion was perfect, but by bringing back in and

01:22:34.739 --> 01:22:37.159
putting the emphasis on the artefacts, the weapons,

01:22:37.319 --> 01:22:39.359
the artefact weapons and those power systems,

01:22:39.500 --> 01:22:43.680
etc. I think what you had is you had... So, WoW,

01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:46.869
much like Warhammer... has such a rich lore.

01:22:47.069 --> 01:22:49.390
Yes. Base. Yeah. And there's so many different

01:22:49.390 --> 01:22:52.109
avenues that you can explore. Um, I'm, I'm exploring

01:22:52.109 --> 01:22:54.590
them right now in, in, in written format. Yeah.

01:22:54.710 --> 01:22:59.670
Yeah. And you have always had your, um, your

01:22:59.670 --> 01:23:03.289
main, main characters when it comes to the law.

01:23:03.409 --> 01:23:07.729
Hmm. With, um, Illidan. Yes. Fucking Arthas.

01:23:07.869 --> 01:23:10.350
Yeah. And their, their backstories. Yeah. Um,

01:23:10.390 --> 01:23:15.659
Frow, Jaina, your, your main, main people, Rafa

01:23:15.659 --> 01:23:18.079
the Lich King, was obviously centered around

01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:21.159
Arthas Menethil. Yes, correct. So the Lich King

01:23:21.159 --> 01:23:24.260
and how he came to be and then how you've overthrown

01:23:24.260 --> 01:23:27.460
him and incredible expansion. And then Rafa the

01:23:27.460 --> 01:23:30.979
Lich King, very centered around Illidan and that

01:23:30.979 --> 01:23:33.359
story. Same with the Burning Crusade. The Burning

01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:35.279
Crusade was entirely centered around fucking

01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:38.760
Illidan. Yeah. This big fucking... demon hunter

01:23:38.760 --> 01:23:42.060
lord crazy looking fucking geezer you are not

01:23:42.060 --> 01:23:44.439
prepared you are not prepared and then obviously

01:23:44.439 --> 01:23:47.079
the legion I know it wasn't purely centred around

01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:48.840
Illidan but obviously he had a massive part to

01:23:48.840 --> 01:23:51.199
play within that expansion even though I didn't

01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:54.920
play it I know the lore surrounding it and these

01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:58.310
are things where if you grew up with WoW Like

01:23:58.310 --> 01:24:00.369
if you brought out an expansion now where the

01:24:00.369 --> 01:24:03.069
Lich King was involved in it quite heavily, it

01:24:03.069 --> 01:24:05.930
would go fucking mad. It would if they executed

01:24:05.930 --> 01:24:08.329
it in a dynamic way. Correctly. Law accurate.

01:24:08.670 --> 01:24:11.909
Because right now he's gone. Well, in the most

01:24:11.909 --> 01:24:13.850
pathetic way possible as well, which is the sad

01:24:13.850 --> 01:24:16.430
part. Yeah, he's gone. He's a little wisp and

01:24:16.430 --> 01:24:21.789
he's just gone. So that resonates with the players

01:24:21.789 --> 01:24:24.350
because you've got such a strong structure. Whereas

01:24:24.350 --> 01:24:27.619
like now, obviously it's... You split off into

01:24:27.619 --> 01:24:29.359
all different directions in the story, right,

01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:33.380
and got quite shit. Dragonflight was, I think,

01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:36.939
one of the best expansions that Blizzard has

01:24:36.939 --> 01:24:41.039
made in terms of innovation and driving the genre

01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:44.140
forwards because of the amount of different changes

01:24:44.140 --> 01:24:46.399
they implemented and all the systems. I think

01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:51.840
that was the perfectly executed thing to incorporate

01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:55.560
all of these. crazy new mechanics but story wise

01:24:55.560 --> 01:24:58.119
it was fucking well although my dragon flight

01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:03.039
story was wet as fuck it was bullshit it was

01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:06.220
actually diabolical it was just wet and i think

01:25:06.220 --> 01:25:08.680
and i will state that and i agree with you dragon

01:25:08.680 --> 01:25:12.399
flight was definitely the staging ground expansion

01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:14.739
for them to be able to test and implement new

01:25:14.739 --> 01:25:17.380
technologies to set the set the groundwork for

01:25:17.380 --> 01:25:21.079
the war within and this saga and Midnight. So

01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:24.060
I can tolerate Dragonflight. There's a reason

01:25:24.060 --> 01:25:26.239
why I didn't play Dragonflight Season 2 and 3.

01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:28.180
Because there were four seasons in Dragonflight,

01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:31.979
wasn't there? Yeah. In fact, I didn't even play

01:25:31.979 --> 01:25:34.680
Season 4, really, until the very, very end when

01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:38.039
we were doing... I was just doing... You know,

01:25:38.060 --> 01:25:42.840
you were able to do the raids for those... Ruby

01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:45.199
things that you could pick up to buy gear. Yeah,

01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:46.920
yeah, yeah. That was it. That's all I came back

01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:49.439
for. And to understand it. But... Dragonflight,

01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:54.300
great expansion for systems testing. But man,

01:25:54.420 --> 01:25:57.380
I agree with you. The story was absolute cack.

01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:03.399
It was so bad. You want grit and the community's

01:26:03.399 --> 01:26:07.800
calling out for I want to see some blood. What

01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:11.100
I want to see is, it's always been Horde and

01:26:11.100 --> 01:26:13.100
Alliance has always been the two factions that

01:26:13.100 --> 01:26:15.340
are always fighting against each other, but then

01:26:15.340 --> 01:26:17.420
there's always been a common enemy, but we've

01:26:17.420 --> 01:26:19.079
always been fighting against each other regardless.

01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:23.359
And then slowly, it's kind of with the Lich King,

01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:26.760
the Alliance and the Horde were coming together,

01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:28.960
but still remaining that hatred between each

01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:33.539
other. And then with the likes of Mists of Pandaria,

01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:36.779
it was slowly... coming together and then you

01:26:36.779 --> 01:26:40.260
had fucking warlords but then then bfa kind of

01:26:40.260 --> 01:26:42.739
gave us hope that that it was set it was going

01:26:42.739 --> 01:26:45.140
to be that bloodbath again yeah because she had

01:26:45.140 --> 01:26:47.359
sylvanas at the helm yeah who was going to be

01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:50.239
she was a psycho she was arguably one of the

01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:54.100
best villains in world of warcraft period irrespective

01:26:54.100 --> 01:26:55.420
of whether she was a leader of the war or not

01:26:55.420 --> 01:26:57.380
because she was just she was messed up in the

01:26:57.380 --> 01:27:00.199
head and she was she was unhinged because guess

01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:03.149
what the lich king stole her soul yeah and And

01:27:03.149 --> 01:27:06.329
we had this amazing character in Sylvanas. And

01:27:06.329 --> 01:27:08.109
what did they do to her in Shadowlands? They

01:27:08.109 --> 01:27:10.829
gave her soul back. Yeah. Why would you give,

01:27:10.869 --> 01:27:16.430
arguably, the most iconic and nut -headed villain

01:27:16.430 --> 01:27:20.609
in the whole of your universe a consciousness?

01:27:20.989 --> 01:27:23.550
Yeah. Why would you do that? Yeah, yeah. Why

01:27:23.550 --> 01:27:25.770
would you give her soul back? Keep her a villain.

01:27:26.010 --> 01:27:28.800
Keep her a villain? And if it means that her

01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:31.899
arc ends in tragedy, then you know that her arc

01:27:31.899 --> 01:27:33.920
ends in tragedy. Yeah, let it end in tragedy.

01:27:33.979 --> 01:27:35.880
Let it end in tragedy. That's what we're crying

01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:39.659
for. Let someone fucking die. And then you can,

01:27:39.779 --> 01:27:42.939
with that tragedy, with that arc, you can do

01:27:42.939 --> 01:27:45.199
a lot of things with the spin -off. Why is Khadgar

01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:48.060
in a wheelchair? Why is Khadgar in a wheelchair?

01:27:48.060 --> 01:27:50.319
Why is he in a wheelchair? Why is one of the

01:27:50.319 --> 01:27:53.819
most powerful mages... in the fucking game, currently

01:27:53.819 --> 01:27:56.760
sat in a wheelchair because he used some of his

01:27:56.760 --> 01:27:58.859
spells. And just to clarify... Get up! Just to

01:27:58.859 --> 01:28:01.699
clarify, you know, we're all for inclusivity.

01:28:01.699 --> 01:28:03.340
I'm not digging wheelchair users, by the way.

01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:04.960
Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? We're all

01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:08.600
in for inclusivity. But this cunt lifted Dalaran.

01:28:08.739 --> 01:28:11.479
He lifted Dalaran, agreed. An entire city. And

01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:13.760
he spirit -bombed... What was his fucking name?

01:28:14.060 --> 01:28:16.380
Was it Archimonde? I can't remember. He spirit

01:28:16.380 --> 01:28:19.970
-bombed a demon in the face. Yeah. What the fuck?

01:28:20.130 --> 01:28:27.470
We just want... Let someone important die. Let

01:28:27.470 --> 01:28:32.409
them go. Let it be something crazy. Let Vol 'jin

01:28:32.409 --> 01:28:36.029
happen again. Let it be something mega. You know

01:28:36.029 --> 01:28:42.670
what? I've always been a Horde person, as have

01:28:42.670 --> 01:28:46.270
you. And Thrall has always been a very... In

01:28:46.270 --> 01:28:49.380
fact, I play Shaman. primarily because I model

01:28:49.380 --> 01:28:51.739
him off of Thrall because Thrall's an enhancement

01:28:51.739 --> 01:28:53.619
shaman and I play enhancement shaman and actually

01:28:53.619 --> 01:28:56.560
one of my transmogs is based off of him but I

01:28:56.560 --> 01:28:59.579
have a really really really bad feeling that

01:28:59.579 --> 01:29:03.699
in either this saga or the next so either Midnight

01:29:03.699 --> 01:29:05.560
or the next expansion one of them's gonna die

01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:12.020
Thrall or Jaina or even what's Pussyboy what's

01:29:12.020 --> 01:29:17.279
his name Oh, fucking... That's mad that I can't

01:29:17.279 --> 01:29:19.060
remember his name as well. That's how irrelevant

01:29:19.060 --> 01:29:21.060
he's been. That's how irrelevant he's been. But

01:29:21.060 --> 01:29:25.180
I love him. Anduin. Anduin, that's it. There

01:29:25.180 --> 01:29:27.500
we go. So I have a feeling that one of those

01:29:27.500 --> 01:29:31.100
three... I'm not that person anymore! Great cinematic.

01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:33.439
I love that cinematic. It's really good. I have

01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:36.180
a feeling one of those three are going to die.

01:29:36.279 --> 01:29:37.640
They have to. They have to. I think they will.

01:29:37.819 --> 01:29:42.119
I think they... I would love to see the war chief...

01:29:43.120 --> 01:29:46.880
What is this? So while we're on the topic, you

01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:48.699
just mentioned Warchief. Who is our Warchief?

01:29:48.699 --> 01:29:50.340
We don't have one. That's what I was about to

01:29:50.340 --> 01:29:53.960
say. We have a council. We have a council. And

01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:58.000
the Forsaken have a council. Everyone loved Vol

01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:00.520
'jin, man. It's about councils. We all know that

01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:04.220
councils don't work. I mean, if you draw... Okay,

01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:06.180
right, fine. I mean, we're definitely not making

01:30:06.180 --> 01:30:07.840
this a political podcast, but if you're going

01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:09.859
to draw parallels here between, you know, governing

01:30:09.859 --> 01:30:12.779
systems and whatnot, we all know for a fact that

01:30:12.779 --> 01:30:15.859
the most amount of stability comes from dictatorships

01:30:15.859 --> 01:30:20.760
and communism. Yes. Right, if you're going to

01:30:20.760 --> 01:30:23.319
apply it in a game sense... It's the same thing.

01:30:23.579 --> 01:30:26.899
It's Warchief. Warchief. Warchief. Yeah, give

01:30:26.899 --> 01:30:28.659
me a Warchief. Give me a Warchief. Give me a

01:30:28.659 --> 01:30:32.140
leader back. Give me a commander. Yeah. Bane...

01:30:32.140 --> 01:30:35.220
Well, obviously Bane's dead, but... Wait, no.

01:30:35.340 --> 01:30:38.819
Yeah, Bane's dead. No, Ken's dead. Bane's still

01:30:38.819 --> 01:30:40.899
alive. Yes, yes, yes, yes. He's on the council.

01:30:41.199 --> 01:30:43.340
Yeah, yeah, he's on the council. But, like, you

01:30:43.340 --> 01:30:45.560
need a Warchief back. It's just the wishy -washiness

01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:47.600
of it. Like, I'm not saying that it's necessarily

01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:49.479
a problem, because obviously there's a bigger

01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:51.779
picture. We're all friends. But Frau has always

01:30:51.779 --> 01:30:53.979
been... seeing that bigger picture especially

01:30:53.979 --> 01:30:56.239
when you know his backstory and the lore behind

01:30:56.239 --> 01:31:01.039
him yeah um you understand where he comes from

01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:04.600
as a character but as the horde as an entirety

01:31:04.600 --> 01:31:07.659
and the same with the alliance let's have that

01:31:07.659 --> 01:31:10.640
conflict back because you're never going to be

01:31:10.640 --> 01:31:16.140
able to join the two and i feel like it shouldn't

01:31:16.140 --> 01:31:20.770
be joined either can you imagine An interracial

01:31:20.770 --> 01:31:24.850
orc and human... Wait, no, there is one. An interracial

01:31:24.850 --> 01:31:32.210
human and orc baby. Corona is, isn't she? Possibly.

01:31:32.670 --> 01:31:35.270
I'd imagine that would be a thing if they've...

01:31:35.270 --> 01:31:36.770
I think we might need to fact check that. I was

01:31:36.770 --> 01:31:39.069
pretty sure Corona is a half human, half orc.

01:31:40.430 --> 01:31:43.329
That was in a Warcraft movie, wasn't it? Yeah.

01:31:44.449 --> 01:31:52.279
Can you imagine a Tauren gnome? Yeah, there is

01:31:52.279 --> 01:31:58.319
a whole half -orc thing conceived violently during

01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:01.060
war crimes and are not accepted by either faction.

01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:05.000
But the half -orcs do exist. They are a thing.

01:32:05.220 --> 01:32:10.399
Half -orcs are commonly known as half -tusks

01:32:10.399 --> 01:32:16.760
in Persco and Zehorastria. I'm not going to try

01:32:16.760 --> 01:32:18.479
and pronounce that. I don't even think that's

01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:20.659
not World of Warcraft, that section. But there

01:32:20.659 --> 01:32:25.039
are canonically half -orcs. I'm pretty sure Corona

01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:30.069
is one of those. But it's just that... They need

01:32:30.069 --> 01:32:31.789
to get out of the same gameplay loop that they've

01:32:31.789 --> 01:32:33.470
been in the last couple expansions and the last

01:32:33.470 --> 01:32:35.869
seasons where it's like, here's the big bad guy.

01:32:35.949 --> 01:32:38.130
Quick, let's all join together and kill the big

01:32:38.130 --> 01:32:40.770
bad guy. We've killed them and now there's another

01:32:40.770 --> 01:32:43.770
big bad guy. Oh no, this person who was helping

01:32:43.770 --> 01:32:46.770
us is now another bad guy. Let's kill them. Oh

01:32:46.770 --> 01:32:49.569
no, they've seen the error of their ways. Now

01:32:49.569 --> 01:32:51.770
they must be punished but not murdered. I guess

01:32:51.770 --> 01:32:54.310
though, credit where credit's due. That's kind

01:32:54.310 --> 01:32:56.100
of... That's kind of what Blizzard have been

01:32:56.100 --> 01:32:58.899
trying to do, though, isn't it? Because that's

01:32:58.899 --> 01:33:00.600
what they've done with this. With Chris Metzen

01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:02.500
coming back, that's the direction that they're

01:33:02.500 --> 01:33:04.840
taking it to. The war within Midnight. Zalatath

01:33:04.840 --> 01:33:08.739
is the overarching villain. It's a long, stretched

01:33:08.739 --> 01:33:13.920
-out story that needs to come to an end. But

01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:19.520
also, you need a... You need a burning crusade

01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:22.939
back. You need a battle for Azeroth. Because

01:33:22.939 --> 01:33:24.680
I didn't think BFA was that bad. I just thought

01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:27.920
it was very long. I thought BFA was alright until

01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:31.789
they went a bit... too much with the additional

01:33:31.789 --> 01:33:34.430
powers. Yeah. The corruptions. Yeah, the corruption

01:33:34.430 --> 01:33:36.470
was fucking mad. So season one was actually,

01:33:36.550 --> 01:33:39.670
season one BFA was probably one of the best experiences

01:33:39.670 --> 01:33:42.510
I'd had in WoW for a long, long time. Because

01:33:42.510 --> 01:33:44.510
it was pure, here's a new island, here's both

01:33:44.510 --> 01:33:46.029
of these factions fighting. Since Rathalich King.

01:33:46.149 --> 01:33:48.930
I would even say that BFA season one was better

01:33:48.930 --> 01:33:52.789
than Legion for me. Season two was okay because

01:33:52.789 --> 01:33:54.569
that was when they introduced that neck thing.

01:33:55.000 --> 01:33:56.699
You know, that legendary neck that you could

01:33:56.699 --> 01:33:58.439
change the power on. Yeah, yeah, the Azurite.

01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:00.300
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which is fine. You could

01:34:00.300 --> 01:34:03.760
deal with that. But then they introduced corruptions.

01:34:03.779 --> 01:34:05.260
Yeah. And corruptions were a crazy, crazy time.

01:34:05.260 --> 01:34:06.880
And that was when it started getting ridiculous.

01:34:07.479 --> 01:34:10.680
Like, that broke the game. And I primarily PvP'd

01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:13.180
back then, so... Yeah. You had these guys...

01:34:13.180 --> 01:34:14.939
People running at full corruption. Yeah, like

01:34:14.939 --> 01:34:17.939
rogues with a nine stack of that bleed thing

01:34:17.939 --> 01:34:21.279
that I did. Or... a blood decay with, with a

01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:23.399
six stack of twilight devastation, which meant

01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:25.720
that that beam would come down and just one shot

01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:29.779
you. Um, you know, and, and, and I, that really

01:34:29.779 --> 01:34:32.159
broke the game for me. And I, I, they, they were

01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:33.819
heading in such a great direction and then they

01:34:33.819 --> 01:34:35.500
just absolutely fucked it. And there's a reason

01:34:35.500 --> 01:34:37.119
why they never brought that mechanic back. They

01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:38.899
never brought that structure back, but the, the,

01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:41.880
the Azurite neck piece that obviously you have

01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:44.640
that in forms of like the Reshi wraps that we

01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:47.609
have now that that's a system that. That does

01:34:47.609 --> 01:34:50.229
work to a point. I feel like it was tested very

01:34:50.229 --> 01:34:52.409
well with Legion, with the legendary artifacts,

01:34:52.529 --> 01:34:54.970
but the takeaway from Legion is that it completely

01:34:54.970 --> 01:34:57.510
fucked you from wanting to get any other weapons

01:34:57.510 --> 01:34:59.710
because you were locked to it. Whereas a cape,

01:34:59.909 --> 01:35:02.529
yeah, I can take that. A belt, yeah, sweet. And

01:35:02.529 --> 01:35:07.050
also, they made it, the Reshiram is not an active

01:35:07.050 --> 01:35:10.260
ability. no it just did it was just there yeah

01:35:10.260 --> 01:35:12.539
and it would just do something yeah it would

01:35:12.539 --> 01:35:14.720
you you you like randomly one shot something

01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:17.180
oh how did i do that oh okay that's what it was

01:35:17.180 --> 01:35:20.079
and it made and it makes sense for the you didn't

01:35:20.079 --> 01:35:22.119
have to push it and you couldn't change what

01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:24.680
it did yeah which is what they didn't bfa but

01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:27.779
like i think again they made it clear they learned

01:35:27.779 --> 01:35:29.760
their lessons from shadowland but this is this

01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:31.380
is why i've got respect in blizzard right now

01:35:31.380 --> 01:35:33.970
because And this is why I'm fully behind them

01:35:33.970 --> 01:35:35.590
with the way in which they're taking the game

01:35:35.590 --> 01:35:38.010
development. Because they listen to what we said

01:35:38.010 --> 01:35:40.189
about Shadowlands, for example. The Covenant,

01:35:40.250 --> 01:35:43.869
the borrowed power. And there inevitably being

01:35:43.869 --> 01:35:46.630
a meta as a result of you being a Retribution

01:35:46.630 --> 01:35:49.670
Paladin that was either Bastion or whatever.

01:35:49.670 --> 01:35:52.810
Oh God, that shit. And then they'd fucking change

01:35:52.810 --> 01:35:55.090
it around with every patch. Exactly. So you'd

01:35:55.090 --> 01:35:56.850
have to completely change the whole Covenant

01:35:56.850 --> 01:35:59.170
and there was no skips. And then grind it, yeah.

01:35:59.189 --> 01:36:02.229
Fuck. Everything was time -gated. renowned system

01:36:02.229 --> 01:36:04.369
that they had implemented because it was a renowned

01:36:04.369 --> 01:36:07.210
system wasn't it and it was and it was it was

01:36:07.210 --> 01:36:10.829
locked yeah and it was a fucking hell like this

01:36:10.829 --> 01:36:13.250
is they've learned they've learned from all of

01:36:13.250 --> 01:36:15.350
that yeah and actually i'm really really happy

01:36:15.350 --> 01:36:17.369
with the way in which the direction they're going

01:36:17.369 --> 01:36:20.670
at the moment because again sort of playing to

01:36:20.670 --> 01:36:25.510
us being you know late 20s early 30s um i've

01:36:25.510 --> 01:36:27.909
got a kid on the way like i'm fully conscious

01:36:27.909 --> 01:36:30.130
and aware of the fact that i'm not gonna have

01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:33.079
as much time in the world as I used to. I'm not

01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:34.840
that I had that much to play with anyway before.

01:36:35.180 --> 01:36:37.960
But when you've got limited time and you've got

01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:39.800
a busy lifestyle and you've got things to do,

01:36:39.939 --> 01:36:44.300
you appreciate when developers understand that

01:36:44.300 --> 01:36:48.079
they respect that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you

01:36:48.079 --> 01:36:49.939
know, with you and your running, for example,

01:36:50.079 --> 01:36:54.739
and me and my, well, incoming baby and obviously

01:36:54.739 --> 01:36:57.859
trying to maintain my fitness goals. You actually

01:36:57.859 --> 01:37:00.380
don't really have much time to play other than

01:37:00.380 --> 01:37:03.020
the time that you prescribe for when you're raiding

01:37:03.020 --> 01:37:07.340
with all the lads. And so you don't want to be

01:37:07.340 --> 01:37:10.020
or have to be spending hours and hours and hours

01:37:10.020 --> 01:37:11.659
catching up and grinding on the other stuff.

01:37:11.819 --> 01:37:14.720
For you to have the option to do that still is

01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:17.439
good for the more hardcore players. That's fine.

01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:20.000
But I've already accepted the fact that I am

01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:22.380
not going to fall within that percentile. Never

01:37:22.380 --> 01:37:24.380
have, never will. Well, you think like with the

01:37:24.380 --> 01:37:26.380
pre -patch at the moment, Leon's already pretty

01:37:26.380 --> 01:37:28.699
much finished it. I've barely touched it. I know

01:37:28.699 --> 01:37:30.859
there's not a lot of content in it anyway. I've

01:37:30.859 --> 01:37:33.579
done one quest. Yeah, but all I've done is get

01:37:33.579 --> 01:37:36.720
the title and that's it. I haven't got the mounts

01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:39.840
from it. I literally did that and then went straight

01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:43.199
into some Mythic Plus with them boys. So for

01:37:43.199 --> 01:37:46.170
me... yeah, I could log on after this pod and

01:37:46.170 --> 01:37:48.289
then just absolutely steamroll it and then sit

01:37:48.289 --> 01:37:49.550
there and go, well, there's no content in this

01:37:49.550 --> 01:37:53.289
pre -patch. But... The point being is that there

01:37:53.289 --> 01:37:56.250
shouldn't have to be loads of content for you

01:37:56.250 --> 01:37:59.409
to smash through because we all know that as

01:37:59.409 --> 01:38:01.789
mature adults, that is not a sustainable way

01:38:01.789 --> 01:38:05.189
of approaching any game. The game's designed

01:38:05.189 --> 01:38:09.550
for adults. Yes. It's not designed for children

01:38:09.550 --> 01:38:12.369
to get into it. And they recognise that actually...

01:38:12.960 --> 01:38:15.039
the vast majority of the people still playing

01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:17.699
this game are the people that were playing with

01:38:17.699 --> 01:38:20.560
us way back when. And most of those people are

01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:24.380
in their 30s and 40s now. If you introduced a

01:38:24.380 --> 01:38:27.279
fucking 15 -year -old into this and how much

01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:33.720
shit is involved is madness. I think it's a difficult

01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:35.699
one to balance in terms of if you're a brand

01:38:35.699 --> 01:38:37.560
new player trying to get into World of Warcraft

01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:41.199
right now, fuck that. Because there's just so

01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:44.430
much shit. But I mean, I haven't played through

01:38:44.430 --> 01:38:48.810
the new... I haven't either. The new player experience.

01:38:48.930 --> 01:38:51.189
I'm tempted to. I know Leon was complaining about

01:38:51.189 --> 01:38:53.050
it because he made a character and then he said

01:38:53.050 --> 01:38:54.510
it literally just drops you in battle for it

01:38:54.510 --> 01:39:01.750
in... What the fuck is the... The dragon one.

01:39:02.149 --> 01:39:05.949
Dragonfly. Dragonfly. Why did I feel... It just

01:39:05.949 --> 01:39:09.750
drops you in Dragonfly. The story's changed.

01:39:10.050 --> 01:39:12.369
Yeah. But he was saying like... It doesn't let

01:39:12.369 --> 01:39:17.229
you leave. You can't leave the areas. It keeps

01:39:17.229 --> 01:39:20.430
you in there, which I guess, yeah, kind of good

01:39:20.430 --> 01:39:22.890
because then if you are a new player, you're

01:39:22.890 --> 01:39:25.510
forced to have that introduction. I think that

01:39:25.510 --> 01:39:27.689
is the right thing to do. Otherwise, there's

01:39:27.689 --> 01:39:31.170
a whole other world of just shit that you could

01:39:31.170 --> 01:39:33.069
get lost in. I think if I remember correctly,

01:39:33.369 --> 01:39:36.449
you can choose the experience you decide to do

01:39:36.449 --> 01:39:38.489
at the start. So when you create your character...

01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:41.340
you can choose to have just a completely open

01:39:41.340 --> 01:39:43.760
world experience or you can choose to follow

01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:46.260
their new player experience. And I think if you

01:39:46.260 --> 01:39:47.699
choose to go through their new player experience,

01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:51.340
you have to have a locked and linear path to

01:39:51.340 --> 01:39:53.500
follow. I'll have to check it out. Because I

01:39:53.500 --> 01:39:56.359
had the same problem when I tried playing Final

01:39:56.359 --> 01:39:59.899
Fantasy. Yeah. And ESO. When I tried getting

01:39:59.899 --> 01:40:01.939
into them, these were at the times where I was

01:40:01.939 --> 01:40:06.170
completely off of WoW. I had no one to play with.

01:40:06.250 --> 01:40:08.050
I was done with WoW. I needed something different.

01:40:08.149 --> 01:40:10.409
And I wanted to try something new. So I went

01:40:10.409 --> 01:40:12.909
and logged into ESO. Obviously, ESO's model is

01:40:12.909 --> 01:40:17.090
you purchase the expansions, but there's also

01:40:17.090 --> 01:40:19.109
DLC packs that you can download. Yeah, yeah.

01:40:20.569 --> 01:40:23.130
I was so overwhelmed. I didn't know what to do.

01:40:23.210 --> 01:40:24.949
Yeah, it's mad. What do I do? Do I follow this

01:40:24.949 --> 01:40:26.590
quest? Do I go that quest? Do I do this? ESO's

01:40:26.590 --> 01:40:28.210
got a similar structure to what we've got with

01:40:28.210 --> 01:40:30.229
WoW, in that if you have a current up -to -date

01:40:30.229 --> 01:40:32.930
sub, all you have to do is buy the current expansion,

01:40:33.210 --> 01:40:36.289
and then you've got access to the previous. Yeah,

01:40:36.329 --> 01:40:39.109
yeah, yeah. But the problem with ESO was I didn't

01:40:39.109 --> 01:40:42.010
know whether the content I was doing was up -to

01:40:42.010 --> 01:40:44.789
-date or not. Yeah, because when you start the

01:40:44.789 --> 01:40:47.789
game, obviously it asks you which portal you

01:40:47.789 --> 01:40:50.050
want to go through. Yeah, yeah. And I go, what

01:40:50.050 --> 01:40:51.970
do you mean what portal? And then some are locked

01:40:51.970 --> 01:40:54.010
and some aren't. But if you've started the game

01:40:54.010 --> 01:40:56.289
with a sub already, then they're all unlocked

01:40:56.289 --> 01:40:58.289
for you because if you subscribe to it, then

01:40:58.289 --> 01:41:04.350
they're all unlocked. And yeah, you go, I don't

01:41:04.350 --> 01:41:06.270
know. And then it doesn't matter which place

01:41:06.270 --> 01:41:09.350
you go to, regardless, you still get the main

01:41:09.350 --> 01:41:12.689
story given to you where you have to then traverse

01:41:12.689 --> 01:41:15.960
through the original zones. In the main story.

01:41:16.159 --> 01:41:18.880
I was so confused. I was so, so confused. I think

01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:21.140
actually the fact that they've got that new player

01:41:21.140 --> 01:41:23.680
zone experience thing where you are literally

01:41:23.680 --> 01:41:26.319
forcing you to do. I think that's a good thing

01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:29.020
because as a new player, as a completely new

01:41:29.020 --> 01:41:32.220
player, that is what you're looking for. Yeah,

01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:37.560
because the main story quest line in ESO is very,

01:41:37.640 --> 01:41:39.600
very good, especially for leveling and getting

01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:42.760
the skill points and everything. But it's when

01:41:42.760 --> 01:41:46.020
you finish that. Then what? Then what? There's

01:41:46.020 --> 01:41:48.180
a million different things. There's no direction.

01:41:48.340 --> 01:41:51.420
Exactly. Well, I'll just pick a zone and start

01:41:51.420 --> 01:41:53.479
leveling through that. Yeah, exactly. So I think

01:41:53.479 --> 01:41:55.699
this new player thing, they guide you through

01:41:55.699 --> 01:41:57.800
it. They lock you into that. This is what you're

01:41:57.800 --> 01:42:00.119
going to do up until you hit level 80 or whatever.

01:42:00.260 --> 01:42:03.279
And even then, you've got to finish that campaign

01:42:03.279 --> 01:42:06.079
and that storyline. And then once you hit that

01:42:06.079 --> 01:42:08.140
certain point. Here's the open game. Here, you

01:42:08.140 --> 01:42:09.899
can do whatever the fuck you want. Because you'll

01:42:09.899 --> 01:42:13.140
know the basics by then to crack on. Because

01:42:13.140 --> 01:42:15.000
throwing someone in something like World of Warcraft,

01:42:15.180 --> 01:42:18.659
in any MMO that they don't know, you go, oh,

01:42:18.699 --> 01:42:22.140
fuck, this is overwhelming. Overwhelming, 100%.

01:42:22.140 --> 01:42:26.140
Fucking Final Fantasy, it's fixed now. But when

01:42:26.140 --> 01:42:30.500
I was getting into it, the amount of hours and

01:42:30.500 --> 01:42:32.819
content, it was like the second expansion that

01:42:32.819 --> 01:42:35.340
you would have to get to before the game got

01:42:35.340 --> 01:42:37.659
good. I remember I was part of a guild or community

01:42:37.659 --> 01:42:41.420
or whatever. I'd put, I think it was something

01:42:41.420 --> 01:42:44.880
crazy, like I'd already sunk in like 70 or 80

01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:48.199
hours into the game. And I remember saying to

01:42:48.199 --> 01:42:50.960
him, I was like, when does it get good? I was

01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:52.920
like, I'm not having fun here. I'm skipping cut

01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:55.479
scenes, which I very rarely do. I was like, I'm

01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:57.279
not enjoying this. This feels like an absolute

01:42:57.279 --> 01:43:01.680
grind. And they were like, yep, someone showed

01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:04.119
me a website and it put it all into chapters.

01:43:05.050 --> 01:43:07.609
and i found the point where i was at and they

01:43:07.609 --> 01:43:10.590
were like get through the the initial story and

01:43:10.590 --> 01:43:13.329
then after the first expansion the first there

01:43:13.329 --> 01:43:15.430
was like the first expansion is when it really

01:43:15.430 --> 01:43:19.270
opens up yeah i'm like sweet cool found the drop

01:43:19.270 --> 01:43:24.189
down list of the original story and it's fucking

01:43:24.189 --> 01:43:26.770
ginormous and then i was like right i'm on this

01:43:26.770 --> 01:43:29.510
quest so i'm right at the end that's great and

01:43:29.510 --> 01:43:33.039
then did it and then you've got the the is it

01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:34.739
an epilogue or a prologue? Yeah. In between.

01:43:34.859 --> 01:43:39.340
Yeah. An epilogue? Epilogue, yeah. One of those

01:43:39.340 --> 01:43:40.819
two, I can't remember which one. So you've got

01:43:40.819 --> 01:43:43.479
to do that before you get into the first expansion

01:43:43.479 --> 01:43:48.520
of Final Fantasy Online. And I played for a good

01:43:48.520 --> 01:43:52.939
15, 20 hours. And I just felt like there was

01:43:52.939 --> 01:43:54.840
no progression for what I was doing. And I messaged

01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:57.659
and I said, when do you get into the first expansion

01:43:57.659 --> 01:44:00.140
then? And they're like, oh, it can take... It

01:44:00.140 --> 01:44:05.340
can take nearly 100 hours. Before the game really

01:44:05.340 --> 01:44:08.100
opens up, it's about 100 hours. Thanks, buddy.

01:44:09.220 --> 01:44:12.720
I went, what? And I found the same thing, like

01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:15.340
the list. And it was just as big as the initial

01:44:15.340 --> 01:44:17.779
fucking story. And that's when I stopped. That's

01:44:17.779 --> 01:44:19.300
when I stopped doing it. I'm not doing this.

01:44:19.420 --> 01:44:21.960
I am... I remember doing a whole episode about

01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:23.619
it and complaining to Ash about it because he

01:44:23.619 --> 01:44:25.640
had the same fucking gripes. I was like, I am

01:44:25.640 --> 01:44:28.220
not playing a game where I have to put hundreds

01:44:28.220 --> 01:44:30.739
of hours into it to get to the baseline of the

01:44:30.739 --> 01:44:32.619
game. I said, I'm not fucking doing it. And then

01:44:32.619 --> 01:44:34.659
shortly after they introduced a skip where they

01:44:34.659 --> 01:44:36.949
got rid of all of that. And I was like, I'm not

01:44:36.949 --> 01:44:39.470
touching it, but thank fuck. Because that is

01:44:39.470 --> 01:44:42.189
so dumb. So what World of Warcraft's doing, it

01:44:42.189 --> 01:44:44.369
does make perfect sense in locking you into that.

01:44:44.930 --> 01:44:47.989
I'll have to experience it. I'll probably make

01:44:47.989 --> 01:44:50.329
a new character today and just see what that's

01:44:50.329 --> 01:44:56.369
like. Because we obviously had the Isle thing

01:44:56.369 --> 01:44:58.510
where it got you from level 1 to 10. It was like

01:44:58.510 --> 01:45:01.069
the first 10, 15 levels. Yeah, first 10 levels.

01:45:01.500 --> 01:45:03.939
Yeah, Exile's Reach. Exile's Reach, yeah, where

01:45:03.939 --> 01:45:05.840
it would make you do a dungeon. It would give

01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:07.920
you the very, very basics of the game, but they

01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:10.539
were very, very basic. Yeah. And then it would

01:45:10.539 --> 01:45:13.140
thrust you into the open world. Off you go. That's

01:45:13.140 --> 01:45:15.760
just too much. Yeah, whereas now, fair enough,

01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:19.079
I'll play it and then we'll see. Yeah, I agree.

01:45:19.180 --> 01:45:22.239
I think I'll do the same. And we'll fucking leave

01:45:22.239 --> 01:45:23.939
it there, brother. Yeah, I think that's a good

01:45:23.939 --> 01:45:31.420
one. How far did we go there? Hour and 45. that's

01:45:31.420 --> 01:45:35.439
pretty decent and i've been wanting to talk about

01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:38.000
wow for a long time that flew by very quick and

01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.260
to be fair to be fair we didn't even i mean we

01:45:40.260 --> 01:45:43.279
diverged a little bit didn't we yeah yeah but

01:45:43.279 --> 01:45:45.300
um i mean i'm sure there will be more to come

01:45:45.300 --> 01:45:47.020
in the future of course there will because this

01:45:47.020 --> 01:45:49.359
has been great more specific and i suppose what

01:45:49.359 --> 01:45:51.699
we could probably could do the suggestion is

01:45:51.699 --> 01:45:53.640
we can always get some feedback from from your

01:45:53.640 --> 01:45:56.939
listeners From the Discord. From the Discord

01:45:56.939 --> 01:45:59.300
and see what they want us to talk about. Tell

01:45:59.300 --> 01:46:03.279
me how many slices that was, Corey. Fucking how

01:46:03.279 --> 01:46:06.600
many was that, motherfucker? See you later, everyone.

01:46:06.699 --> 01:46:08.539
Thanks for coming, John. I love it. See you.

01:46:08.659 --> 01:46:09.000
Bye.