WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:08.259 Boom. We're on episode one. Where's the blowjob? 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:12.619 He's cracked open the tinnies. Oh my God. It's 00:00:12.619 --> 00:00:17.379 half free on a Monday. I was waiting for that 00:00:17.379 --> 00:00:21.539 to go up my nose. Banging them straight out. 00:00:22.019 --> 00:00:26.160 Oh God, it's so nice. Oh my God. Oh my God. That's 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:29.750 a running theme in the... On the raid nights, 00:00:29.870 --> 00:00:31.469 there's always someone that cracks open a tin 00:00:31.469 --> 00:00:36.490 and it's so crisp. Crack a cold one. Tasty, tasty. 00:00:37.189 --> 00:00:42.329 Crack me open. We've got a couple of topics pre 00:00:42.329 --> 00:00:45.789 -loaded. Very, very unlike Wash the Buttons. 00:00:47.549 --> 00:00:51.729 So, we've got three subject matters. Three categories. 00:00:51.990 --> 00:00:55.609 That we can float off of. Hello, it's me as well. 00:00:55.689 --> 00:00:57.990 Oh yeah, Connor's with us. It's not. It's not 00:00:57.990 --> 00:01:01.149 the usual suspects. Hello, Ash. You haven't been 00:01:01.149 --> 00:01:04.129 here in a while. Come back. I met up with a load 00:01:04.129 --> 00:01:09.590 of the guild lot. The hoofs and hoes. When was 00:01:09.590 --> 00:01:13.739 that? Saturday? No, Friday. Friday night. And 00:01:13.739 --> 00:01:17.019 a couple of them said, because Connor and Joe 00:01:17.019 --> 00:01:19.620 were wearing Watch the Buttons t -shirts. Nice. 00:01:19.780 --> 00:01:23.239 And they said, you need to fucking do t -shirts 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:25.959 for everyone else now. Like all the other people 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:29.519 that come on the podcast. Basically said, we 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:31.780 need to do one where it gets rid of Ash's face 00:01:31.780 --> 00:01:34.280 and puts a question mark instead. Oh yeah, the 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:36.680 Royal Rumble t -shirt. Choose that co -host. 00:01:36.700 --> 00:01:38.299 No, it should be, so you've got a little Velcro 00:01:38.299 --> 00:01:41.420 patch. on the chest just little sticker heads 00:01:41.420 --> 00:01:43.640 you can just take them off keep swapping them 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:47.099 on who's on today I don't know just take them 00:01:47.099 --> 00:01:52.340 off it's just you there was fucking one of the 00:01:52.340 --> 00:01:56.280 guildies that listens quite a lot Corey I was 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:58.560 chatting to him the first time I'd met him and 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:00.840 he's like he's exactly how it's really weird 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:03.819 so you you spend like two days a week and then 00:02:03.819 --> 00:02:07.109 throughout the rest of the week playing with 00:02:07.109 --> 00:02:09.189 these people, getting to know them, talking to 00:02:09.189 --> 00:02:11.330 them, blah, blah, blah. Everything bar meeting 00:02:11.330 --> 00:02:13.530 them physically. And then when you do meet these 00:02:13.530 --> 00:02:15.150 people physically, you're shocked because they're 00:02:15.150 --> 00:02:18.629 exactly how they sound and behave. You go, oh 00:02:18.629 --> 00:02:20.569 my God, you are exactly who I thought you were. 00:02:21.750 --> 00:02:24.129 And yeah, I was chatting to Corey and he was 00:02:24.129 --> 00:02:26.550 like, he listens to the pod quite a lot. And 00:02:26.550 --> 00:02:27.729 I was saying to him, I was like, I need to get 00:02:27.729 --> 00:02:29.800 you a t -shirt. He just looked at me and he was 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:32.400 like, I don't want your face though. I went, 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:34.819 oh, great. And then they pointed out the fact 00:02:34.819 --> 00:02:39.080 that when that logo was done, I was almost four 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:44.240 stone heavier. Longer hair. Longer beard. Big 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:46.219 old long beard. It just doesn't look like me. 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.819 Who's this? Where is it? Maybe there's an update 00:02:50.819 --> 00:02:54.500 that needs changing. Oh, God. Move some shit 00:02:54.500 --> 00:03:00.650 around. Let me zoom in. There we go. The old 00:03:00.650 --> 00:03:03.289 Sasquatch. The old Sasquatch. Yeah. Or what was 00:03:03.289 --> 00:03:05.909 it? Fucking Joe Wilkinson is what people were 00:03:05.909 --> 00:03:07.610 saying. I remember the first time that we did 00:03:07.610 --> 00:03:10.289 the T -shirts and when me and Ash went to the 00:03:10.289 --> 00:03:12.849 Star Wars celebration and someone pulled me and 00:03:12.849 --> 00:03:14.990 they said, oh, is that a Joe Wilkinson T -shirt? 00:03:15.050 --> 00:03:16.610 I went, no, no, no. No, it's just me. That's 00:03:16.610 --> 00:03:21.650 me. That's me. Thank you very much. Xbox Game 00:03:21.650 --> 00:03:25.789 Pass. Money, money. Money, money. You're not 00:03:25.789 --> 00:03:29.530 a patron of Xbox Game Pass, are you? I used to 00:03:29.530 --> 00:03:33.629 be a long, long, long time ago. Same here. It's 00:03:33.629 --> 00:03:36.169 one of those ones, it's any of those subs that 00:03:36.169 --> 00:03:39.229 you just forget about. And I can't remember why 00:03:39.229 --> 00:03:42.009 I had it more. So apparently... But it was a 00:03:42.009 --> 00:03:44.030 long time since I turned it off. It was probably 00:03:44.030 --> 00:03:47.990 like Halo 4, maybe, was like the last game I 00:03:47.990 --> 00:03:50.849 played through Game Pass. It used to be good, 00:03:50.889 --> 00:03:53.469 but like... I haven't really looked into it. 00:03:53.469 --> 00:03:56.349 I just saw they said they had a price hike. It's 00:03:56.349 --> 00:04:01.090 quite a hefty one. So they're going from... What 00:04:01.090 --> 00:04:06.370 is it? From $14 .99 a month for the Xbox Game 00:04:06.370 --> 00:04:12.300 Pass Ultimate to $22 .99 a month. That's quite 00:04:12.300 --> 00:04:14.580 chunky in terms of subscriptions. It's quite 00:04:14.580 --> 00:04:16.899 a heavy one. To put that into perspective for 00:04:16.899 --> 00:04:19.240 our American listeners, obviously that's $20 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:23.600 to $30. $30. Which is quite a fucking... $36 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.860 Australian. Quite a hike, to be fair. Because 00:04:26.860 --> 00:04:33.560 I find it weird in that Game Pass is so incredible 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:39.000 for gaming. Maybe that's why they bumped it out, 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.120 though. Yeah, but that platform as a whole... 00:04:41.290 --> 00:04:43.970 is mental. Obviously, PlayStation have tried 00:04:43.970 --> 00:04:45.930 to do it with PlayStation Plus and their different 00:04:45.930 --> 00:04:49.089 tier systems with that. It seems to be the done 00:04:49.089 --> 00:04:50.910 thing now is that you pay a sub and then you 00:04:50.910 --> 00:04:53.290 get access to various amounts of games. But I've 00:04:53.290 --> 00:04:56.689 always felt like Xbox is the flagship for that. 00:04:57.290 --> 00:05:00.069 Well, I think that was Microsoft's key thing. 00:05:00.149 --> 00:05:02.709 Yeah. Where you turn around and go, instead of 00:05:02.709 --> 00:05:06.750 excluding Xbox users or PC users, you're basically 00:05:06.750 --> 00:05:10.250 on the same... roughly the same kind of platform 00:05:10.250 --> 00:05:12.370 except one's a console and one's not that at 00:05:12.370 --> 00:05:14.069 least you can then turn around and be like well 00:05:14.069 --> 00:05:16.930 all these games we've got yeah we can just let 00:05:16.930 --> 00:05:19.750 the pc players have a go of them because it was 00:05:19.750 --> 00:05:22.029 i know i've definitely had my worth out of it 00:05:22.029 --> 00:05:24.129 in the past where you go right i don't really 00:05:24.129 --> 00:05:27.529 want to buy this whatever game that i'm not going 00:05:27.529 --> 00:05:31.490 to play that much of and for 13 pound or whatever 00:05:31.490 --> 00:05:34.389 i was sure it was cheaper then because or even 00:05:34.389 --> 00:05:36.870 less than that like seven quid or eight quid 00:05:36.870 --> 00:05:39.069 or something. Maybe I'm thinking the lower tier, 00:05:39.310 --> 00:05:42.209 but even that's typical that they'd release different 00:05:42.209 --> 00:05:44.129 tiers. You go, oh, there's an ultimate version. 00:05:44.470 --> 00:05:46.269 I remember EA did exactly the same thing. They 00:05:46.269 --> 00:05:50.370 had their own Game Pass style EA. I can't remember 00:05:50.370 --> 00:05:52.170 what it was called, but that basically gave you 00:05:52.170 --> 00:05:55.610 exactly the same aspect. Because you had Ubisoft 00:05:55.610 --> 00:05:59.290 Club as well. They had a little touch into it. 00:05:59.529 --> 00:06:03.589 It's clever, but it's a bit... There's a little 00:06:03.589 --> 00:06:05.720 bit of a steep jump. to turn around and go, okay. 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:08.779 It's something we don't take lightly and we're 00:06:08.779 --> 00:06:10.500 listening to the feedback of the players in the 00:06:10.500 --> 00:06:12.819 community to try and provide them with more of 00:06:12.819 --> 00:06:14.759 what they're asking for. Earlier this week, the 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:16.740 firm announced it was increasing the most expensive 00:06:16.740 --> 00:06:22.540 tier of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate from £15 to £23 00:06:22.540 --> 00:06:25.899 per month. It also announced rises of Xbox Game 00:06:25.899 --> 00:06:28.819 Pass Standard, renamed Xbox Game Pass Premium, 00:06:29.060 --> 00:06:34.740 and PC Game Pass. blackwell noted the price increases 00:06:34.740 --> 00:06:37.620 reflected additional content added to the service 00:06:37.620 --> 00:06:41.139 specifically is ultimate tier game pass ultimate 00:06:41.139 --> 00:06:44.439 will now include access to more than 400 titles 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.920 globally this includes the majority of our partners 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.639 who want to continue to bring their future games 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:52.360 to xbox game pass we're also now giving access 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:56.819 to more than 75 day one releases at That's a 00:06:56.819 --> 00:06:59.740 50 % increase over the last day one titles we 00:06:59.740 --> 00:07:05.680 provided last year. So that's how their cost 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:09.220 will rise from between $20 and $70 across its 00:07:09.220 --> 00:07:14.220 hardware range. Because they're adding more shit 00:07:14.220 --> 00:07:19.180 to Game Pass. That justifies bumping up the cost 00:07:19.180 --> 00:07:24.660 of it. That just seems like... greed let me open 00:07:24.660 --> 00:07:26.720 up another tab let's find out how much Game Pass 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:29.000 went just red ones and they wouldn't be surprised 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:32.199 if it is PlayStation bumps theirs up yeah of 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:35.220 course but the thing is with PlayStation's one 00:07:35.220 --> 00:07:39.199 is shit it's not value for money and it is nowhere 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:41.939 near as good as something like Game Pass yeah 00:07:41.939 --> 00:07:47.120 see this is in my head that would be the gaming 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:48.920 community as a whole there's already an uproar 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:53.250 people are already boycotting Game Pass standard 00:07:53.250 --> 00:07:57.509 um kind of with him on that so in my head if 00:07:57.509 --> 00:08:00.089 i was sony i'd be looking to try and grab that 00:08:00.089 --> 00:08:02.209 customer base rather than following suit and 00:08:02.209 --> 00:08:04.449 increasing your price try and add some more shit 00:08:04.449 --> 00:08:07.250 into it get some people more value for the money 00:08:07.250 --> 00:08:10.389 you're putting in someone's put ah they've like 00:08:10.389 --> 00:08:12.870 you said it's really tempted of me to call it 00:08:12.870 --> 00:08:18.069 greed especially given uh microsoft's 100 over 00:08:18.069 --> 00:08:21.709 100 billion annual profits. You go, right, why 00:08:21.709 --> 00:08:24.709 are you... Game Pass was good because it was 00:08:24.709 --> 00:08:28.250 affordable for what it offered. And do people 00:08:28.250 --> 00:08:30.230 really care about day one releases for a lot 00:08:30.230 --> 00:08:32.970 of stuff? Xbox Game Pass is profitable according 00:08:32.970 --> 00:08:36.350 to Microsoft executives who reported record revenue 00:08:36.350 --> 00:08:40.289 of over $5 billion in the previous fiscal year 00:08:40.289 --> 00:08:43.129 ending mid -2025. This is seen as a confirmation 00:08:43.129 --> 00:08:46.759 of the subscription model. It's sustainable and 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.240 beneficial for the company and developers despite 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:52.159 past concerns about its financial viability and 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.720 impact on the gaming industry. Record revenue 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:59.080 of $5 billion. So what do they then do with that? 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:02.379 Let's increase it. Let's double that. What the 00:09:02.379 --> 00:09:04.440 fuck? Let's make that better for us. How does 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:10.159 that make sense? So records of $5 billion in 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:14.049 revenue. We're now going to add more to that 00:09:14.049 --> 00:09:16.529 subscription, but because we're adding more to 00:09:16.529 --> 00:09:18.710 it, we're going to lose out on some profit. So 00:09:18.710 --> 00:09:21.549 we've obviously got to claw that back. So let's 00:09:21.549 --> 00:09:23.929 fucking... We've put more in, but we expect you 00:09:23.929 --> 00:09:26.850 to pay more. But do they not... Do companies 00:09:26.850 --> 00:09:29.710 like this do... They don't think... Do you not 00:09:29.710 --> 00:09:32.549 see that? If you're... Depends, because it'll 00:09:32.549 --> 00:09:37.090 be people who aren't gamers, and it'll be money 00:09:37.090 --> 00:09:39.580 men. And board members. But it doesn't make any 00:09:39.580 --> 00:09:42.620 sense. We run a Patreon. Okay. You're a sub to 00:09:42.620 --> 00:09:45.080 them. Get them prices up. Go on. Patreon .com 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:47.100 forward slash what's the buttons. You're going 00:09:47.100 --> 00:09:49.500 to get one more episode a month, double the prices. 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:55.580 Exactly. It's a five a month for an extra episode 00:09:55.580 --> 00:10:00.799 every week. So if I then add another episode 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.659 into that and then double the cost and then wonder 00:10:04.659 --> 00:10:08.110 why half the patrons unsub. Yeah. I can't sit 00:10:08.110 --> 00:10:09.610 there and go, well, why have they done that? 00:10:09.850 --> 00:10:11.570 Why have they done that? I'm giving them more. 00:10:11.730 --> 00:10:13.929 You go, no, because you've set a precedent of... 00:10:13.929 --> 00:10:16.029 By that point, it becomes, you're basically paying 00:10:16.029 --> 00:10:20.629 half the value of a lower tier game. What you 00:10:20.629 --> 00:10:22.730 should do is... So you may as well just buy the 00:10:22.730 --> 00:10:25.730 game. This is how I would have done it. Or if 00:10:25.730 --> 00:10:28.669 we're talking in terms of the patron, if I was 00:10:28.669 --> 00:10:30.889 ever planning on doing something like that, you'd 00:10:30.889 --> 00:10:33.590 put out a poll asking for feedback. You'd go, 00:10:33.649 --> 00:10:38.460 look, we... we'll add this, this, this, and this. 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:42.419 Do you think it warrants increasing a sub to 00:10:42.419 --> 00:10:45.779 this? Would you pay an additional fee if we included 00:10:45.779 --> 00:10:48.879 all of this other stuff? And then you gauge off 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:50.460 of what everyone says. If everyone turns around 00:10:50.460 --> 00:10:53.879 and goes, fuck no, you go, all right, okay, we 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.200 won't do that then. Or you just ignore the poll 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:57.559 altogether and you go, well, I've got a good 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:01.200 system here. I'm getting money. So let me just 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:04.440 add some more to this to make it even more enticing 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:07.080 because you're going to get... More people that 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.840 will boycott and cancel their Game Pass sub because 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:16.000 of a price increase. I think regardless of bragging 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:17.299 about how many titles you're going to be adding 00:11:17.299 --> 00:11:19.799 to it, you're taking money out of people's pockets. 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.700 It also appeals to what new titles they're going 00:11:22.700 --> 00:11:24.460 to put on there. Yeah. Because if you turn around 00:11:24.460 --> 00:11:27.860 and go, okay, we're adding however many new titles 00:11:27.860 --> 00:11:30.080 and it turns out none of them are actually what 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:32.740 people want to play, then you turn around and 00:11:32.740 --> 00:11:36.649 go, right, well, if I'm paying... 50 more and 00:11:36.649 --> 00:11:38.809 getting still getting the same amount of shit 00:11:38.809 --> 00:11:41.929 realistically i'm not not getting anything better 00:11:41.929 --> 00:11:44.889 than what i've already got then what's the point 00:11:44.889 --> 00:11:49.789 i don't like i can i kind of see where they can 00:11:49.789 --> 00:11:52.230 come from but where they're pulled to figure 00:11:52.230 --> 00:11:55.129 out of their their asses and gone right well 00:11:55.129 --> 00:11:57.129 yeah now we expect you if you turn around and 00:11:57.129 --> 00:11:59.470 giving you a definitive answer of oh yeah we're 00:11:59.470 --> 00:12:02.490 adding all these more titles but truthfully does 00:12:02.490 --> 00:12:06.220 it make that much difference All you're offering 00:12:06.220 --> 00:12:09.240 is the digital licensing just to access the game. 00:12:09.379 --> 00:12:11.179 And as soon as someone even finishes that or 00:12:11.179 --> 00:12:13.679 doesn't finish and doesn't pay their sub, they 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:17.500 don't get access to that anymore. So gamers cancelled 00:12:17.500 --> 00:12:20.480 their Game Pass subscriptions in droves when 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:22.940 the price increases were announced earlier this 00:12:22.940 --> 00:12:25.419 week, the most egregious of which was the new 00:12:25.419 --> 00:12:30.629 $30 per month rate for Game Pass Ultimate. even 00:12:30.629 --> 00:12:34.309 game pass pc went up from 12 per month to 16 00:12:34.309 --> 00:12:37.870 49 per month at these prices it's difficult to 00:12:37.870 --> 00:12:40.169 justify effectively renting a game through a 00:12:40.169 --> 00:12:42.190 subscription rather than just buying it outright 00:12:42.190 --> 00:12:45.009 especially with game pass ultimate take pricey 00:12:45.009 --> 00:12:47.129 new releases like the outer worlds 2 for example 00:12:47.129 --> 00:12:49.190 you may have been planning to use game pass to 00:12:49.190 --> 00:12:51.809 dodge its 70 price tag but you're not really 00:12:51.809 --> 00:12:53.870 saving any money now considering that just a 00:12:53.870 --> 00:12:55.789 couple of months of game pass ultimate and the 00:12:55.789 --> 00:12:58.389 same price you would have to simply buy in the 00:12:58.389 --> 00:13:01.830 game potentially ruin you experience by trying 00:13:01.830 --> 00:13:05.450 to rush it within say two months plus which is 00:13:05.450 --> 00:13:08.149 easily doable but like for me i don't get i don't 00:13:08.149 --> 00:13:10.590 spend a lot of time gaming at the minute yeah 00:13:10.590 --> 00:13:14.350 so why are you paying 30 pound for a sub to be 00:13:14.350 --> 00:13:17.809 like i'm not really getting a lot in and it says 00:13:17.809 --> 00:13:20.250 plus when you play on game pass your save files 00:13:20.250 --> 00:13:21.909 are effectively locked behind a subscription 00:13:21.909 --> 00:13:23.889 meaning you'll need to start a new save if you 00:13:23.889 --> 00:13:26.110 ever decide to buy a game pass game elsewhere 00:13:27.610 --> 00:13:31.889 This article is talking about how GameStop have 00:13:31.889 --> 00:13:36.259 made a commitment. to the old Game Pass Ultimate 00:13:36.259 --> 00:13:39.639 price for now. For now, yeah. And then it says 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.120 somehow, it does say how exactly GameStop is 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:44.879 able to continue offering Game Pass Ultimate 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:47.539 at the old price is unclear. What is clear is 00:13:47.539 --> 00:13:49.139 that GameStop is listening to the complaints 00:13:49.139 --> 00:13:51.259 about the price hike. In contrast, Microsoft 00:13:51.259 --> 00:13:53.559 is reportedly attempting to smooth things over 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:57.200 by considering a free ad -supported version of 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:02.620 Xbox Cloud Gaming. Great. What? Yeah, what is 00:14:02.620 --> 00:14:04.899 that? What is that? That's highlighted. Let's 00:14:04.899 --> 00:14:08.450 have a look at that. Add three. cloud gaming 00:14:08.450 --> 00:14:11.009 is microsoft is reportedly spinning up a free 00:14:11.009 --> 00:14:13.610 version of xbox cloud gaming but of course you'll 00:14:13.610 --> 00:14:15.769 have to sit through ads earlier this week microsoft 00:14:15.769 --> 00:14:18.769 announced an up to 50 price increase for xbox 00:14:18.769 --> 00:14:21.289 game pass offering the compelling value proposition 00:14:21.289 --> 00:14:24.889 of what if one month's access to a new xbox published 00:14:24.889 --> 00:14:27.490 game cost almost a quarter of the price of just 00:14:27.490 --> 00:14:30.250 buying the damn thing and owning it forever microsoft's 00:14:30.250 --> 00:14:32.809 explanation for the price hike was that it was 00:14:32.809 --> 00:14:35.429 seeking to offer more flexibility choice and 00:14:35.429 --> 00:14:38.450 value and it's apparently got similar flexible 00:14:38.450 --> 00:14:41.629 plans where's the flexibility because if you've 00:14:41.629 --> 00:14:45.809 update if you've made every tier more expensive 00:14:45.809 --> 00:14:48.269 where's the flexibility and where's the value 00:14:48.269 --> 00:14:49.549 in that it's not like turning around and saying 00:14:49.549 --> 00:14:52.950 okay you've got your your pc tier which has whatever 00:14:52.950 --> 00:14:56.289 that has you have your budget tier which says 00:14:56.289 --> 00:14:58.570 goes all right you can have access to all these 00:14:58.570 --> 00:15:02.309 low grade you know single a games and then you 00:15:02.309 --> 00:15:04.289 have to pay the ultimate fee for all the new 00:15:04.809 --> 00:15:07.909 the brand new AAAs that are coming out, you know, 00:15:07.929 --> 00:15:10.509 day one releases, that makes more sense to turn 00:15:10.509 --> 00:15:12.470 around and say, that one's 30 quid, because you 00:15:12.470 --> 00:15:17.490 go, that's on you to decide if you want to, or, 00:15:17.590 --> 00:15:20.230 you know, $30, that that's on you if you want 00:15:20.230 --> 00:15:23.169 to pay that chunk of change and bang that game 00:15:23.169 --> 00:15:26.330 out early doors, especially like if it's a single 00:15:26.330 --> 00:15:28.830 player game or anything, or if you turn around 00:15:28.830 --> 00:15:31.460 and go, right, this one's only $10. but you can 00:15:31.460 --> 00:15:34.340 only play AAA titles from a year ago. You'd have 00:15:34.340 --> 00:15:37.360 been better off adding an additional tier on. 00:15:37.580 --> 00:15:40.080 Yeah. You go, all right, well, we're going to 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:42.059 bump... There's no movement in that. We're going 00:15:42.059 --> 00:15:45.700 to add 50 % more titles to Game Pass, 50 % more 00:15:45.700 --> 00:15:49.080 day one releases. Okay, cool, sweet. But they're 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:51.340 locked behind another tier. For an extra five 00:15:51.340 --> 00:15:53.299 for a month, you can have these additional... 00:15:53.299 --> 00:15:56.240 I'm sure that's what EA used to do. For there, 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:59.389 I haven't been on it in a long, long time. Because 00:15:59.389 --> 00:16:01.750 I don't really buy EA games anymore. But they 00:16:01.750 --> 00:16:03.990 had one that was like that, where you could get 00:16:03.990 --> 00:16:07.690 different... It used to be like an ultimate tier 00:16:07.690 --> 00:16:12.450 for everything new. But that's kind of the only 00:16:12.450 --> 00:16:14.269 way you would ever say there's flexibility in 00:16:14.269 --> 00:16:18.330 it. Because if you turn around and say, I don't 00:16:18.330 --> 00:16:24.039 want to pay $30 or equivalent this month. because 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.000 I don't see anything that's coming out, you should 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:28.919 be able to move down to the next tier because 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:33.379 you're still playing a three -year -old game 00:16:33.379 --> 00:16:35.460 and you go, oh, I've still got access to that 00:16:35.460 --> 00:16:38.679 through the £10 sub, not the £30 one. So turn 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:40.559 around and save yourself 20 quid for a month. 00:16:41.019 --> 00:16:45.019 Not, oh, fucking, yeah, we've just bumped everything 00:16:45.019 --> 00:16:48.779 up. says according to reporting at the verge 00:16:48.779 --> 00:16:50.919 sources at microsoft say that the company has 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:53.720 been running internal tests of a free ad supported 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:57.080 version of xbox cloud gaming with a public beta 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:59.399 test and full launch plant planned in the coming 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:02.500 months Sources tell me the internal testing includes 00:17:02.500 --> 00:17:05.400 around two minutes of pre -roll ads before a 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:07.539 game is available to stream for free through 00:17:07.539 --> 00:17:10.740 Xbox Cloud Gaming. Microsoft is also currently 00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:14.259 testing a limit of one hour for sessions with 00:17:14.259 --> 00:17:17.980 up to five hours free a month. The Verge's Tom 00:17:17.980 --> 00:17:21.160 Warren writes these limits may well change when 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:25.059 the service is officially launched. So, you know 00:17:25.059 --> 00:17:29.309 what they are? That's demos. I'm not freaking 00:17:29.309 --> 00:17:33.730 about making demos. That's just a demo. That's 00:17:33.730 --> 00:17:36.269 a demo with ads. Proper demos, not just like, 00:17:36.329 --> 00:17:38.250 yeah, you get to play the first couple of hours 00:17:38.250 --> 00:17:39.690 and then good luck because you're going to play 00:17:39.690 --> 00:17:42.849 them again because the first couple of hours. 00:17:42.869 --> 00:17:46.109 But that's a demo with ads. You're going to make 00:17:46.109 --> 00:17:48.390 me watch two minutes of pre -rolled adverts and 00:17:48.390 --> 00:17:50.029 then you're going to let me play for an hour. 00:17:50.730 --> 00:17:53.190 Interestingly, I was just looking up the EA version 00:17:53.190 --> 00:17:56.349 by comparison. They've got EA Play, which is 00:17:56.349 --> 00:17:58.849 the... the budget tier, £6 a month. That's that 00:17:58.849 --> 00:18:01.349 red one, isn't it? Yeah. So you've got play trials 00:18:01.349 --> 00:18:03.829 of new games for up to 10 hours, unlimited access 00:18:03.829 --> 00:18:07.970 to the top title collections, score rewards. 00:18:09.470 --> 00:18:11.930 I don't know what that means. And then obviously 00:18:11.930 --> 00:18:15.970 money off digital purchases, 10 % off digital 00:18:15.970 --> 00:18:19.230 purchases through their thing. Then if you decide 00:18:19.230 --> 00:18:24.990 to go to pro, which is £16 or £17 a month. You 00:18:24.990 --> 00:18:28.049 get day one access to full premium editions of 00:18:28.049 --> 00:18:30.910 select new titles packed with added content and 00:18:30.910 --> 00:18:33.130 extras and then all the rest, which is the unlimited 00:18:33.130 --> 00:18:36.750 access to premium, well, the library of premium 00:18:36.750 --> 00:18:40.049 editions. So that'll be your top tier ones with 00:18:40.049 --> 00:18:43.630 all your extra content, season passes and shit. 00:18:43.950 --> 00:18:48.609 And then obviously the new rewards for EA titles 00:18:48.609 --> 00:18:52.029 and the discount. So like, that's what I mean 00:18:52.029 --> 00:18:54.819 where some things kind of make sense. So you 00:18:54.819 --> 00:18:56.920 would have those kind of tiers that you go, yeah, 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.720 maybe it's not worth 11 quid more. But then in 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:02.700 the same breath is telling you it's giving you 00:19:02.700 --> 00:19:05.200 the access to the premium editions, not just 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:07.720 the standard editions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:09.920 believe they're going to potentially throw out 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:12.039 ads. Let me finish reading this. Imagine you're 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:14.319 playing a game and all of a sudden ads pop up. 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:17.619 Like a mobile game. The ad -supported offering 00:19:17.619 --> 00:19:19.859 would, according to those sources, allow you 00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:22.980 to stream some... games you own alongside eligible 00:19:22.980 --> 00:19:27.039 trials from xbox free play days and xbox retro 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.680 classic games microsoft cfo tim stewart publicly 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:33.279 alluded to a potential ad supported xbox cloud 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.859 gaming tier in 2023 but considering the longer 00:19:36.859 --> 00:19:39.259 wait times and lower resolution cloud streaming 00:19:39.259 --> 00:19:43.000 being offered to essential and premium tier game 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.500 pass subscribers as part of the new pricing scheme 00:19:45.500 --> 00:19:48.339 it's probably safe to assume that users of the 00:19:48.339 --> 00:19:50.500 free version will be enjoying a less than optimal 00:19:50.500 --> 00:19:53.160 experience during their hypothetical five hours 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.500 a month. That's the bit that I find mad. Let 00:19:56.500 --> 00:19:59.140 me read that bit again. So Microsoft is also 00:19:59.140 --> 00:20:02.440 currently testing a limit of one hour for sessions 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:06.420 with up to five hours free a month. These limits 00:20:06.420 --> 00:20:08.339 may well change when the service is officially 00:20:08.339 --> 00:20:13.420 launched. So you get... So you get... When you 00:20:13.420 --> 00:20:16.440 play a game that you like, you get an hour. And 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.839 it's heavy in cut scenes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:22.059 You play like a God of War game and you haven't 00:20:22.059 --> 00:20:26.000 actually played any gameplay for like close to 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:29.319 five minutes or whatever some of those cut scenes 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:32.059 are. The difficult thing with it is... Or playing, 00:20:32.140 --> 00:20:35.799 what is it, fucking Final Fantasy. But you've 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:39.559 got that thing where you always get a load of 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:41.940 people that will stand there and go, it's free, 00:20:42.019 --> 00:20:44.720 so what can you complain about? And that I agree, 00:20:44.900 --> 00:20:52.180 it's free. However, adverts is something that 00:20:52.180 --> 00:20:56.799 has always been able to be kept away from console 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:01.259 gaming and PC gaming. If you own a game or you're 00:21:01.259 --> 00:21:02.980 streaming a game, you've always been able to 00:21:02.980 --> 00:21:04.980 stay away. You've already paid for it. Stay away 00:21:04.980 --> 00:21:07.559 from the fucking adverts. And then obviously 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:09.559 what happens is with streaming services like 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:14.220 Netflix, like Amazon, where... you then pay your 00:21:14.220 --> 00:21:17.140 sub and then they slowly introduce adverts. And 00:21:17.140 --> 00:21:19.000 for an extra two quid, you can get rid of your 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:21.619 adverts. This is what we spoke about a couple 00:21:21.619 --> 00:21:24.599 of weeks ago. Yeah. My Amazon Prime, I get adverts 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:26.859 on that. I'm not paying the extra fucking fiver 00:21:26.859 --> 00:21:28.259 or whatever it is. It ain't happening. I deal 00:21:28.259 --> 00:21:30.779 with the adverts. But even then, you sit there 00:21:30.779 --> 00:21:32.079 and you think, well... Yeah, I was telling you 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:34.140 about Disney Plus. I couldn't even... It was 00:21:34.140 --> 00:21:35.940 getting me to a more and more point of, I might 00:21:35.940 --> 00:21:37.839 as well just get a dodgy stick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:21:38.099 --> 00:21:39.950 Because... I can't even watch an episode without 00:21:39.950 --> 00:21:42.309 having three ads and they're about a minute long. 00:21:42.450 --> 00:21:43.869 Yeah. So you go, well, what the fuck is the, 00:21:43.890 --> 00:21:46.509 what is the point? Why am I, why I shouldn't 00:21:46.509 --> 00:21:48.309 have to pay any more for this because, because 00:21:48.309 --> 00:21:50.869 you get. Same with that horror podcast. I was 00:21:50.869 --> 00:21:54.190 like, at least this is free. But you get, you 00:21:54.190 --> 00:21:56.569 get used to the idea that I will pay, I will 00:21:56.569 --> 00:22:00.549 give you money for access to, to your entertainment. 00:22:01.369 --> 00:22:03.029 I don't want to watch any adverts. That's why 00:22:03.029 --> 00:22:04.990 I'm giving you money. It's for this privilege. 00:22:05.230 --> 00:22:07.829 Yeah, it's not cable anymore. I'm not then going 00:22:07.829 --> 00:22:10.009 to pay you additional to get rid of adverts. 00:22:10.009 --> 00:22:13.269 It's not going to happen. So the fear, and I 00:22:13.269 --> 00:22:15.589 remember me and Ash, and I believe me and Steph 00:22:15.589 --> 00:22:18.470 have spoken about it before, was if that ever 00:22:18.470 --> 00:22:21.089 makes it to games. there's a big problem. Because 00:22:21.089 --> 00:22:23.269 obviously that's such a big market to try and 00:22:23.269 --> 00:22:26.049 fucking shoehorn adverts into and slowly but 00:22:26.049 --> 00:22:28.630 fucking surely. Watch it be that the adverts 00:22:28.630 --> 00:22:30.250 will be, you know when you're like playing GTA 00:22:30.250 --> 00:22:33.349 or Cyberpunk or equivalent and there's like the 00:22:33.349 --> 00:22:35.750 billboards around. Wait till they're actual adverts. 00:22:36.130 --> 00:22:39.750 Oh, yeah. And they're like coded into the dynamic. 00:22:39.950 --> 00:22:42.849 Yeah, AI adverts. And then it'll get to a point 00:22:42.849 --> 00:22:45.569 where it'll be on the loading screens. You'll 00:22:45.569 --> 00:22:48.980 have adverts. I just don't like the idea of it. 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:51.079 I don't like the idea of it. But like I say, 00:22:51.140 --> 00:22:52.559 you sit there and you go, well, it's free, so 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:54.299 what are you complaining about? VR picked up 00:22:54.299 --> 00:22:57.539 even more and you got adverts literally beamed 00:22:57.539 --> 00:23:00.259 into your face. It's the principle of it. It's 00:23:00.259 --> 00:23:04.180 the fact that you're... Let me increase Game 00:23:04.180 --> 00:23:08.440 Pass so a load of people either can't afford 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:10.680 it or won't want to pay that amount of money 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:13.619 because I fucking wouldn't. No, not fair. And 00:23:13.619 --> 00:23:17.529 then let me release a free version, but... You 00:23:17.529 --> 00:23:23.089 can only play for five hours a month. Is that 00:23:23.089 --> 00:23:25.490 what I was... Up to five hours free a month. 00:23:25.609 --> 00:23:27.950 Five sessions of an hour each. Also currently 00:23:27.950 --> 00:23:30.509 testing a limit of one hour for sessions with 00:23:30.509 --> 00:23:34.150 up to five hours free a month. So you can play 00:23:34.150 --> 00:23:38.009 for five hours for free. What the fuck? That's 00:23:38.009 --> 00:23:41.430 just a demo. That is a demo with adverts. It's 00:23:41.430 --> 00:23:43.809 a shitter demo. Well, it's a timed demo because 00:23:43.809 --> 00:23:45.390 I remember back in the day, do you remember those 00:23:45.390 --> 00:23:49.289 old CDs? Yeah, yeah. There's like three games 00:23:49.289 --> 00:23:51.549 on it, but they're all demo for something. I 00:23:51.549 --> 00:23:54.230 remember playing one. I have no idea what it 00:23:54.230 --> 00:23:56.970 is or what it was, but I played a load of it. 00:23:57.490 --> 00:23:59.789 Star Wars Outlaws gives you a fucking demo for 00:23:59.789 --> 00:24:02.329 free. For free. We've spoken about that before 00:24:02.329 --> 00:24:04.170 on the pod, where on the PlayStation Store, they 00:24:04.170 --> 00:24:06.049 just got rid of the demo section. You have to 00:24:06.049 --> 00:24:09.690 physically search the game. I do miss demos. 00:24:09.809 --> 00:24:12.630 So do I. And that's why the subject come up, 00:24:12.670 --> 00:24:14.869 because I was trying to find something new to 00:24:14.869 --> 00:24:16.950 play. And then that's when I discovered that 00:24:16.950 --> 00:24:19.390 the demo section of the PlayStation Store got 00:24:19.390 --> 00:24:22.289 deleted. So if you want to find a demo for a 00:24:22.289 --> 00:24:24.769 game, you've got to search the game. That defeats 00:24:24.769 --> 00:24:26.589 the object. It is just greed, isn't it? Because 00:24:26.589 --> 00:24:28.390 it's not going to be right. Massively. If you 00:24:28.390 --> 00:24:30.279 turn around and go, there's a free demo. for 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:32.200 it's like an hour and a half or not even that 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:34.480 you say it's 45 minutes worth of gameplay and 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:38.079 you go that's probably good but then no one's 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:39.900 going to give that out because they want you 00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:44.420 to already have spent your money before you enjoy 00:24:44.420 --> 00:24:46.700 the game because there's been a lot of games 00:24:46.700 --> 00:24:49.019 out there that I'd be like I'm not enjoying the 00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:52.680 first like two hours and you go yeah if I was 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:55.779 based on a demo I'd probably be like yeah nah 00:24:56.250 --> 00:24:58.470 you're alright or games that are very slow to 00:24:58.470 --> 00:25:01.009 start before they pick up you think I might swerve 00:25:01.009 --> 00:25:03.789 that so maybe it's demo culture is not really 00:25:03.789 --> 00:25:07.089 a thing anymore but at the same time I'd definitely 00:25:07.089 --> 00:25:09.009 rather have them because there's a lot of games 00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:11.990 out there that I'd rather trial before I actually 00:25:11.990 --> 00:25:14.529 commit to them I just don't understand how especially 00:25:14.529 --> 00:25:18.450 for a fucking 75 plus quids I don't get how you 00:25:18.450 --> 00:25:21.430 can be making 5 billion dollars worth of revenue 00:25:21.950 --> 00:25:24.410 I know it's not overall profits, but still revenue. 00:25:24.950 --> 00:25:28.529 I know. And then go, right, well, we want to 00:25:28.529 --> 00:25:31.890 increase the price by 50%. Not even by like a 00:25:31.890 --> 00:25:35.470 quid, two quid, 50%. Yeah. I want an extra half 00:25:35.470 --> 00:25:37.529 out of you. What? It's fucking everything now, 00:25:37.549 --> 00:25:38.809 isn't it? For what? Turning around and going, 00:25:38.890 --> 00:25:42.049 oh, okay. Oh, we're at record profits. Charge 00:25:42.049 --> 00:25:44.910 them more. But you have something good. Milk 00:25:44.910 --> 00:25:47.150 them dry. But you have something really good 00:25:47.150 --> 00:25:49.329 there, and you're the king of it. It was premium. 00:25:49.849 --> 00:25:52.250 It was the best one because there was nothing. 00:25:52.470 --> 00:25:56.250 The best one. EA Play was, again, too niche. 00:25:56.369 --> 00:25:58.309 It was only their games. And at the end of the 00:25:58.309 --> 00:26:00.890 day, were you probably buying them anyway? I 00:26:00.890 --> 00:26:04.250 haven't got PlayStation, so PlayStation Plus, 00:26:04.410 --> 00:26:06.869 whatever the fuck it is, doesn't appeal to me. 00:26:06.930 --> 00:26:10.069 Whereas as a PC gamer, the Microsoft one is easy 00:26:10.069 --> 00:26:13.910 because that's the one that's there to grab hold 00:26:13.910 --> 00:26:15.509 of. And if they're turning around and going like, 00:26:15.569 --> 00:26:18.329 yeah, granted, I've not. paid for it in a long 00:26:18.329 --> 00:26:20.650 time because there isn't a massive amount of 00:26:20.650 --> 00:26:23.369 stuff on it but I would still entertain the idea 00:26:23.369 --> 00:26:25.990 of going back to it if it was the original price 00:26:25.990 --> 00:26:29.230 but for if I'm looking at having to pay 20 whatever 00:26:29.230 --> 00:26:33.349 it is like nearly 25 quid I'm not going to jump 00:26:33.349 --> 00:26:35.970 on that just for a month of gameplay that at 00:26:35.970 --> 00:26:39.710 the minute you know I don't get not the time 00:26:39.710 --> 00:26:42.089 but I don't I'm not sitting down to game at the 00:26:42.089 --> 00:26:46.369 minute I just And I can imagine, unless you're 00:26:46.369 --> 00:26:50.109 really committed to it, and I guess some people 00:26:50.109 --> 00:26:52.509 will still be involved in that, but it also depends 00:26:52.509 --> 00:26:54.509 on what titles they end up putting out. I know 00:26:54.509 --> 00:26:59.170 the console wars or the division of brand is 00:26:59.170 --> 00:27:01.630 slowly slipping away, but there has to be good 00:27:01.630 --> 00:27:03.670 titles on there to merit it. If you're going 00:27:03.670 --> 00:27:10.140 to charge me 30 quid or 20... £6 .25 or whatever 00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:12.859 it was for England. I might as well wait for 00:27:12.859 --> 00:27:15.240 a fucking Steam sale by that point. And you can 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.880 basically own the game. I want every single AAA 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:21.240 that comes out to be on that game pass. Every 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:22.960 single one. If you're going to charge me that 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.079 a month. So let's talk about this month, for 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.640 example. So I want... Well, back it on from a 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.420 little bit from last month. But last month heading 00:27:31.420 --> 00:27:33.599 into this month. I want Dying Light the Beast 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.839 on there. I want fucking... I want... Ghost of 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:39.559 Yotai on there, which isn't because obviously 00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.500 it's PlayStation exclusive. Fuck it. I want it 00:27:42.500 --> 00:27:45.059 on there anyway. I want Little Nightmares 3 to 00:27:45.059 --> 00:27:47.259 be on there. I also want Battlefield 6 to be 00:27:47.259 --> 00:27:49.359 on there. I then want The Outer Worlds 2 to be 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:53.160 on there. You know what I mean? I want five AAA 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.859 games, please. I know Little Nightmares 3 probably 00:27:55.859 --> 00:27:57.740 isn't in the AAA category, but it deserves to 00:27:57.740 --> 00:28:00.380 be. But I want five of those games on Game Pass. 00:28:00.460 --> 00:28:03.339 So for one month, have my 30 quid. I want those 00:28:03.339 --> 00:28:09.980 five. But like you say, so you've... It's then... 00:28:09.980 --> 00:28:11.759 It's all right, because you'll get Just Dance 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.240 2026 edition. For some people, that's great. 00:28:15.380 --> 00:28:18.839 For most people... Or Jurassic World. But like 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:24.200 you said, it becomes a race. So tell a little 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:27.539 bit of a naughty for a while until Amazon caught 00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:30.099 on and Mark was doing the same. You buy a game 00:28:30.099 --> 00:28:33.079 off of Amazon, play it, complete it, send the 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:35.950 fucker back. Done. I've done my time. Yeah. Unless 00:28:35.950 --> 00:28:38.049 it was an online game. Sweet. And then they cotton 00:28:38.049 --> 00:28:40.109 on and they flag your account. They go, you're 00:28:40.109 --> 00:28:42.890 fucking around with us. Sorry, Baze. I also thought 00:28:42.890 --> 00:28:45.710 you could afford it. So... Fuck it, Mr. Moneybag. 00:28:45.809 --> 00:28:49.490 Share the wealth. Yeah. You then throw... I saw 00:28:49.490 --> 00:28:51.190 something... Let a man have his hobbies. I saw 00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:52.710 something the other day saying that the geezer 00:28:52.710 --> 00:28:54.809 could spend... I think it was like... It was 00:28:54.809 --> 00:28:57.319 either... I think it was a million quid a day 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:00.000 and it would still take like 500 and something 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.779 years for him to skint himself out. Sounds about 00:29:02.779 --> 00:29:06.940 right. Yeah. So you're... Scrooge McDuck swimming 00:29:06.940 --> 00:29:09.339 in his fucking pile of gold. Yeah. But you're 00:29:09.339 --> 00:29:14.980 now charging me $30 a month. So if you're putting 00:29:14.980 --> 00:29:17.359 all those AAA games on there, there's too many 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:20.839 games to get the value out of it. yeah in terms 00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:22.819 of so let's say that you have to commit some 00:29:22.819 --> 00:29:25.319 hours yeah so the list that i just threw out 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.680 there so dying like the beast is around 20 to 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.460 30 hours worth of gameplay to to do the story 00:29:30.460 --> 00:29:34.819 sweet so you then throw little nightmares free 00:29:34.819 --> 00:29:36.819 into that i'm going to hazard a guess that that's 00:29:36.819 --> 00:29:39.599 probably around 20 hours worth of gameplay you 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:42.140 then got ghost ghost i wouldn't be on there but 00:29:42.140 --> 00:29:44.700 outer worlds 2 again i'll hazard that there's 00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:47.460 maybe like 40. 50 hours worth of gameplay there. 00:29:47.539 --> 00:29:49.440 Probably an approximate. There's too many hours 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.220 for you to get the value out of that because 00:29:52.220 --> 00:29:54.160 it'll roll into the second month and then you've 00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:56.000 got to pay another 30 quid and then you've got 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.759 to pay another 30 quid. So in order for you to 00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:00.859 get the maximum value out of that, you have to 00:30:00.859 --> 00:30:03.740 fucking... Every day, consistently. Yeah. To 00:30:03.740 --> 00:30:04.660 get something out of it. Not necessarily every 00:30:04.660 --> 00:30:07.440 day, but consistently and with big stints. Like 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.039 if you came to the weekend and went, yeah, I'm 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.440 putting down 12 hours, you go, yeah, sweet. But 00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.849 then that's that same return of... like we've 00:30:15.849 --> 00:30:18.109 said about hobbies and stuff, is what money you're 00:30:18.109 --> 00:30:20.690 putting into it versus the time you're getting 00:30:20.690 --> 00:30:23.710 out of it. You go a £75 game that you've spent 00:30:23.710 --> 00:30:27.710 300 hours in, that's money well spent. But if 00:30:27.710 --> 00:30:31.210 you do a £75 game and you get four hours out 00:30:31.210 --> 00:30:36.509 of it. But that's a lot. £30 is a lot of money 00:30:36.509 --> 00:30:39.849 to be throwing a month at a time. Especially 00:30:39.849 --> 00:30:42.819 for something that isn't tangible. Yeah, for 00:30:42.819 --> 00:30:46.400 gaming as a whole. I don't think other... Again, 00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:49.660 if you were going, this is the... Maybe it's 00:30:49.660 --> 00:30:52.740 because it doesn't appeal to heavier gamers. 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.000 Because it's like, oh yeah, you spend 30 quid 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.559 and you don't really have any access. You don't 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.400 own anything. But you've got all these games 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:03.680 that, I don't know, if you were just committed 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.660 to one in that month, it might be worth it. Because 00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:10.059 if you could, say, get one game complete every 00:31:10.059 --> 00:31:13.380 month. you would have a half price roughly on 00:31:13.380 --> 00:31:18.079 having not bought the game outright. But then 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.019 is that a feasible way to go? Is that the we're 00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:24.819 back in fucking blockbuster days where you just 00:31:24.819 --> 00:31:28.619 used to rent a game for X amount? Here we go, 00:31:28.619 --> 00:31:31.160 look. I'll read out some of them. I miss that 00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:33.440 as well. Just fucking, I remember I used to have 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:35.140 one at the end of my road. What, Blockbuster? 00:31:35.259 --> 00:31:38.119 The equivalent of, and it'd be like when you're 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.319 stuck for a game and you'd be like, oh, just 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.160 go down there and like my brother would pick 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.119 a game up and then be like, yeah, just play that. 00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:46.640 And I remember playing like loads of different 00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:48.279 little bits and pieces and games you weren't 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:50.339 going to pick up and own, but you could just 00:31:50.339 --> 00:31:53.299 go down there and have hold of for a week or 00:31:53.299 --> 00:31:58.019 whatever. Here's your October 2025 lineup. The 00:31:58.019 --> 00:31:59.660 thing that's going to make you spend 30 quid. 00:32:00.380 --> 00:32:03.759 Hogwarts Legacy. No. Assassin's Creed 2. No. 00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:06.140 Assassin's Creed 3 Remastered. I already own 00:32:06.140 --> 00:32:09.119 both of them. Assassin's Creed Black Flag. Own 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:13.980 it. Black Flag with the DLC Freedom Cry. Assassin's 00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:16.819 Creed Brotherhood. Assassin's Creed Chronicles 00:32:16.819 --> 00:32:19.599 China. Chronicles India. Unless they're remastered. 00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:23.200 Chronicles Russia. Liberation HD. So there's 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:27.190 one. Two, three, four, five, six, seven. I could 00:32:27.190 --> 00:32:31.309 probably go on fucking EA Play for £7 and get 00:32:31.309 --> 00:32:33.769 all of them. So out of the 45 games here. Considering 00:32:33.769 --> 00:32:36.329 I still own most of them anyway. Out of the 45 00:32:36.329 --> 00:32:39.849 here, 14 of them are Assassin's Creed. Wow. And 00:32:39.849 --> 00:32:41.109 they're not even the new ones, they're the old 00:32:41.109 --> 00:32:46.390 ones. Child of Light. Far Cry 3. Far Cry 3 Blood 00:32:46.390 --> 00:32:50.390 Dragon. Far Cry Primal. Hungry Shark World. Monopoly 00:32:50.390 --> 00:32:54.160 Madness. Monopoly 2024. Prince of Persia, The 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.299 Lost Crown. That's the really shit one. Rabbids. 00:32:56.700 --> 00:33:01.119 Rayman. Scott Pilgrim vs. The World. Skull and 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.220 Bones. That was meant to be their absolute flagship 00:33:03.220 --> 00:33:06.940 that fucking died. South Park, Stick of Truth. 00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:12.940 Starlink. Steep. The Crew 2. Ghost Recon. Rainbow 00:33:12.940 --> 00:33:16.160 Six Extraction. The Division. Not The Division 00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:21.240 2. Just The Division. Just The Division. Trials 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:27.200 Fusion. Uno. Watch Dogs. Yeah. The thing is, 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.140 you may as well, like currently, funnily enough, 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:30.619 we're discussing it. I don't know whether this 00:33:30.619 --> 00:33:34.160 is relevant. Go on. Obviously, all this is going 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:40.339 on with Microsoft. Steam's got a sale on currently. 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:43.240 Let me have a look at that. Let's open up Steam 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.339 and have a look at that. By comparison, you go, 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.599 like, games have got 50 % off, £60 games that 00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.220 are down to, you know. Because it'll be... 30 00:33:51.220 --> 00:33:53.500 quid and whatever. And that's the new title. 00:33:53.619 --> 00:33:56.319 So that was fucking... Because Steam is a type 00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:57.980 of company... Modern Warfare 3. Well, someone 00:33:57.980 --> 00:34:00.259 made a good point and I saw it in, obviously, 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.059 during the discourse. I didn't know how much 00:34:02.059 --> 00:34:04.119 the price increase was that someone turned around 00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:06.680 and went, you know the comparison that someone 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.480 put a tweet out or equivalent or whatever it 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:14.400 is and went, funnily enough, it was like a snapshot 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.400 from their account saying that their account 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:19.530 had been refunded. After they bought the game. 00:34:19.909 --> 00:34:23.730 They then went into it, and it was because they 00:34:23.730 --> 00:34:25.969 bought the game, and then it had gone on sale, 00:34:26.150 --> 00:34:28.210 so they refunded them the difference. Yeah, yeah. 00:34:29.809 --> 00:34:31.710 But then someone said, the reason they're like 00:34:31.710 --> 00:34:33.409 that is because they've got no shareholders. 00:34:34.309 --> 00:34:37.510 They've got no one to impress, except themselves. 00:34:38.030 --> 00:34:40.230 Then they're their customer base. That is it. 00:34:41.309 --> 00:34:43.210 Which is how it fucking should be. There it is. 00:34:43.269 --> 00:34:46.369 I'm just loading up the cell to see what's on 00:34:46.369 --> 00:34:50.070 there. I heard it. Hogwarts Legacy is first on 00:34:50.070 --> 00:34:53.409 here. That's a tenner. Reduced from 50 quid. 00:34:53.630 --> 00:34:56.030 80 % off. There's no way you're going to turn 00:34:56.030 --> 00:34:58.369 around and go, I'm going to play all of these 00:34:58.369 --> 00:35:00.909 games in this time. If you go, okay, I'm going 00:35:00.909 --> 00:35:02.469 to play Hogwarts Legacy. It's probably going 00:35:02.469 --> 00:35:05.429 to take me two months. I'm going to pay you £10 00:35:05.429 --> 00:35:08.309 versus 60 quid. Elder Scrolls Oblivion Remastered, 00:35:08.309 --> 00:35:13.670 40 quid. Monster Hunter Wilds, 40 quid. Fucking 00:35:13.670 --> 00:35:18.510 Ghost of Tsushima, 33 quid. Yeah. Surprised that's 00:35:18.510 --> 00:35:19.969 still so expensive, but that's the remaster, 00:35:20.010 --> 00:35:23.309 I think. Sons of the Forest, 8 quid. RuneScape 00:35:23.309 --> 00:35:29.030 Dragon Wilds, 20 quid. Helldivers, 27 quid. Even 00:35:29.030 --> 00:35:32.730 this, Assassin's Creed Shadows, 40 % off, 35 00:35:32.730 --> 00:35:37.110 quid. That's not bad. Even Red Dead 2, which 00:35:37.110 --> 00:35:40.510 is still mad expensive, but 75 % off, 15 quid. 00:35:42.190 --> 00:35:47.519 God of War Ragnarok, 40 quid. Anything else? 00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:53.719 Space Marine 2, 27 quid. Space Marine 2. Civilization. 00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:58.000 Oh, there's a fucking rematch on sale. Cyberpunk, 00:35:58.460 --> 00:36:02.920 17 quid. Yeah. So these are some pretty heavy 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:05.539 games that still fucking... That's what I mean. 00:36:05.619 --> 00:36:07.679 Pretty much all of those games will take you... 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:11.760 Ah! Far Cry Primal. The thing that was just announced. 00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:16.889 I bet that's like £4. £2 .49. Or spend £30 on 00:36:16.889 --> 00:36:18.750 Game Pass and then you can get access to that 00:36:18.750 --> 00:36:23.090 and Far Cry 3. It's on Steam for £2. That's what 00:36:23.090 --> 00:36:26.849 I mean. If you're not over -rushed to feel like 00:36:26.849 --> 00:36:29.750 you want to play these games, then who gives 00:36:29.750 --> 00:36:33.849 a fuck? Elite Dangerous, £1 .49. And Elite Dangerous 00:36:33.849 --> 00:36:37.170 is a good game. That's a good fucking game. I'm 00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:41.010 tempted to buy that myself, to be fair. Haven, 00:36:41.150 --> 00:36:47.070 £2. Code Vein. Code Vein's a good game. £4. Have 00:36:47.070 --> 00:36:50.230 you ever played Code Vein? It's a good game. 00:36:50.289 --> 00:36:51.949 It's probably your type of thing. But that's 00:36:51.949 --> 00:36:54.349 got very positive reviews. I remember playing 00:36:54.349 --> 00:36:57.969 it on PlayStation. And it is fucking... It is 00:36:57.969 --> 00:37:05.349 good. Doom Eternal, £3. Fuck me. Destiny 2 Lightfall, 00:37:05.489 --> 00:37:11.420 £1 .24. That's what I mean. Just like... I get 00:37:11.420 --> 00:37:15.340 it works for maybe the new AAA titles if there's 00:37:15.340 --> 00:37:17.780 any good ones. But these are mad. These are mad. 00:37:17.940 --> 00:37:23.699 Rise of the Tomb Raider. £2. Yeah. Mafia 3. £2. 00:37:24.260 --> 00:37:30.059 Fucking Control Ultimate Edition. £3. Yeah. Like, 00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:32.900 what the... Like, they're... That's... They're 00:37:32.900 --> 00:37:35.699 mad discounts. Like, they're not just... Little 00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:38.199 discounts. That's mad. That isn't even probably 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:40.679 the best you'd get. Sniper Elite 5, four quid. 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.179 This is just an autumn sale. This isn't like... 00:37:43.179 --> 00:37:46.500 Yeah, this isn't a crazy, crazy sale. I think 00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:49.820 it ends today, actually. But that's mad. Yeah, 00:37:49.820 --> 00:37:53.719 it ends today. That is madness. Ends today, the 00:37:53.719 --> 00:38:00.980 6th of October. I can't... Diablo 4. Same as 00:38:00.980 --> 00:38:02.840 nothing I'm actually interested in at the minute. 00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:08.320 18 quid. Starfield 35 quid oh yeah that game 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:11.280 even Horizon to be fair the only time I think 00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:12.860 that was probably the last time I had Game Pass 00:38:12.860 --> 00:38:16.260 was for Starfield yeah same here and I literally 00:38:16.260 --> 00:38:19.360 can't like played about four hours maybe not 00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:23.380 even that went this is terrible deleted it and 00:38:23.380 --> 00:38:26.980 quickly went yep Game Pass goodbye Horizon Forbidden 00:38:26.980 --> 00:38:29.940 West 30 quid this is a good shout out opening 00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:32.719 up this con because there's some fucking There's 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.139 some mad discounts on here. Days gone. I'd get 00:38:36.139 --> 00:38:37.440 in quick because that's going to finish soon. 00:38:38.179 --> 00:38:40.199 If you're going to buy anything. There's some 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:42.840 madness on here. Top played on Steam Deck. Fallout 00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:47.980 4. 6 quid. DVD. Fiverr. No Man's Sky. 20 quid. 00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:53.699 Halo. The Master Chief Collection. 8 quid. You 00:38:53.699 --> 00:38:56.460 know what I mean? These are some... Why... When 00:38:56.460 --> 00:39:00.170 you... It's a good comparison, isn't it? I kind 00:39:00.170 --> 00:39:04.550 of get it from Xbox side because we don't have 00:39:04.550 --> 00:39:08.969 access to Steam. But from a PC side, which is 00:39:08.969 --> 00:39:11.389 the most expensive edition of the Game Pass, 00:39:11.530 --> 00:39:16.690 the PC Ultimate Edition, why the fuck would you... 00:39:17.070 --> 00:39:19.070 commit to something like that yeah because steam 00:39:19.070 --> 00:39:21.070 has a sale like every five minutes and all pretty 00:39:21.070 --> 00:39:23.550 much they're very very good you're probably talking 00:39:23.550 --> 00:39:26.110 a minimum of six a year yeah but they also they're 00:39:26.110 --> 00:39:28.469 also very good one i fully imagine there's going 00:39:28.469 --> 00:39:30.829 to be a roughly about a three day sale around 00:39:30.829 --> 00:39:33.710 halloween but they're also very good at notifying 00:39:33.710 --> 00:39:36.550 you when when you put a game on your wish list 00:39:36.550 --> 00:39:38.809 and then it goes on sale i could i get emails 00:39:38.809 --> 00:39:40.690 all the fucking time off of them i don't think 00:39:40.690 --> 00:39:43.730 i've had a pop -up this time but maybe dragon's 00:39:43.730 --> 00:39:48.639 dogma 2 23 tell me what himself nine days ago. 00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:53.079 It's just mad. It's crazy when you have... I 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:55.440 obviously just wasn't paying attention. It's 00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.500 crazy when you look at it and you see because 00:39:57.500 --> 00:40:00.980 obviously when something like Sony does... There 00:40:00.980 --> 00:40:05.139 you go. Straight off the bat, the least discounted 00:40:05.139 --> 00:40:08.940 item is 15%. That's what I was about to say. 00:40:09.099 --> 00:40:12.219 Out of what I've got just on my wish list is 00:40:12.219 --> 00:40:15.699 15%. That's what I was going to say. The top 00:40:15.699 --> 00:40:19.039 one, 75 % off. That's madness. With PlayStation, 00:40:19.179 --> 00:40:20.460 you look on the store and when they've got sales 00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:23.260 going on, it'll be like 15%, 10%, 5%. There's 00:40:23.260 --> 00:40:27.880 sometimes when I've seen 2 % off. This, 75, 58%, 00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:35.219 50%, 85%, 80 % off. Like it's mad. Icarus, down 00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:39.000 from 29 .50 to 5 quid. Mostly positive reviews, 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:46.989 23 ,000. Have you seen Forza Horizon 5? Is this 00:40:46.989 --> 00:40:50.570 co -op? Or is it not co -op? It doesn't say. 00:40:50.710 --> 00:40:53.150 I don't think it's co -op. It's madness. Because 00:40:53.150 --> 00:40:54.670 I was going to say, there's a game called Witchfire 00:40:54.670 --> 00:41:00.170 that I've seen on my wish list. I obviously tagged 00:41:00.170 --> 00:41:04.869 it a while ago. So you just think, why would 00:41:04.869 --> 00:41:09.250 you? Well, like you said. It's only single player. 00:41:09.449 --> 00:41:12.630 That's exactly why. this is the way that it is. 00:41:12.630 --> 00:41:15.170 It's because, like you just said, Steam doesn't 00:41:15.170 --> 00:41:18.170 have shareholders. So they don't answer to people 00:41:18.170 --> 00:41:19.929 fucking pushing them on the head saying they 00:41:19.929 --> 00:41:21.969 won't profit this, they won't profit that. Whereas 00:41:21.969 --> 00:41:24.750 the likes of Microsoft very much do have shareholders. 00:41:25.170 --> 00:41:28.070 And it's just, it's so interesting to see something 00:41:28.070 --> 00:41:31.590 like that because this, this is the type of shit 00:41:31.590 --> 00:41:36.690 that people come back to. Good example for me 00:41:36.690 --> 00:41:39.260 in the world that I'm in. Obviously, everyone 00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:41.599 knows because I always talk about it. I'm a runner. 00:41:42.260 --> 00:41:45.440 Yeah. I'm a fucking runner. My shoe rack is behind 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.320 you, right? Which consists of one, two, three, 00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:53.019 four pairs of Brooks, right? They're expensive. 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:56.440 Running shoes are expensive. I like Brooks. One, 00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:58.139 because I like running them. They're comfortable. 00:41:58.900 --> 00:42:00.639 Never had a problem with them. But number two, 00:42:00.820 --> 00:42:04.360 they have a 90 -day return policy on their shoes. 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.280 So I can wear them as much as I want, get them 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:09.940 as fucked as I want, but in three months I can 00:42:09.940 --> 00:42:11.579 return them. And they'll give me a full refund 00:42:11.579 --> 00:42:13.000 or they'll send me another pair of shoes. I sent 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.059 them a pair back just on the cusp of three months 00:42:16.059 --> 00:42:17.880 and they were torn to shreds. They were fucked. 00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.119 They stunk. They were horrible. I climbed up 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.400 a fucking mountain in them. They were grim. No 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.400 questions. Returned them because they were torn. 00:42:25.019 --> 00:42:26.780 So they went, well, within three months they'd 00:42:26.780 --> 00:42:30.139 broken down. I'd done like fucking 350 miles 00:42:30.139 --> 00:42:33.320 in them which is like within their lifespan 300 00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.619 to 500 but they were torn so I sent them back 00:42:36.619 --> 00:42:39.239 and then they sent me another pair good Bob's 00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.139 your uncle Steph needed a pair of shoes I bought 00:42:42.139 --> 00:42:44.559 her Brooks alright my Nana needs new running 00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.579 shoes I recommended Brooks because I trust them 00:42:47.579 --> 00:42:50.059 because their return policy they're not treating 00:42:50.059 --> 00:42:53.289 me like a cunt you go right well Because of that... 00:42:53.289 --> 00:42:55.489 Well, I think that actually it was your toenails, 00:42:55.530 --> 00:42:58.070 sir. But you think because of that now, I've 00:42:58.070 --> 00:43:00.590 spent collectively nearly... Loads of money on 00:43:00.590 --> 00:43:03.369 a specific brand. Like 500, 600 quid on shoes 00:43:03.369 --> 00:43:05.329 from a specific brand because of their return 00:43:05.329 --> 00:43:07.409 policy. He's got too much money on this Patreon. 00:43:07.570 --> 00:43:11.030 But that's what happens with something like Steam, 00:43:11.170 --> 00:43:14.269 is you look at that as a whole. PlayStation Store, 00:43:14.329 --> 00:43:17.320 for example. I refuse to buy games off the store 00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:19.960 if I can help it. Download it and they won't 00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.400 do anything, will they? No, but also it's fucking 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.199 expensive on the store. When I could go on Amazon, 00:43:24.340 --> 00:43:27.539 wait a day and save myself a 10, 15 quid most 00:43:27.539 --> 00:43:29.840 of the time. Why am I going to do that on this? 00:43:29.900 --> 00:43:32.440 And it's the same with Game Pass. Why am I going 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.840 to look at the Xbox catalogue when I've literally 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.579 just fucking reeled out... the fucking October 00:43:39.579 --> 00:43:42.039 list of games they're bringing none of those 00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.820 were new either no but the ones that were relatively 00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:47.019 new I've then fucking called them out on the 00:43:47.019 --> 00:43:50.159 Steam on Steam for fucking a third of the price 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:54.860 what the fuck it's a good comparison fuck them 00:43:54.860 --> 00:43:58.679 like what the fuck is that so if you if you were 00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.000 wanting to get Game Pass to play Hogwarts Legacy 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:05.260 Save yourself the money. Spend fucking a tenner 00:44:05.260 --> 00:44:08.000 on Steam. Boom, there it is. You own it forever. 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:09.960 And you don't need to rush. And then the best 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:12.780 bit is, if you want to return the cunt, you can 00:44:12.780 --> 00:44:15.159 return it. You don't actually like it. You can 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:18.199 give it back. You've not wasted an extra 20 quid. 00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:20.119 You're good. You have a time limit. How much 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:21.579 time you can put into it and then you can send 00:44:21.579 --> 00:44:26.039 it back if you don't like it. Kushti. Fucking 00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.860 Elder Scrolls Oblivion Remastered. If you want 00:44:28.860 --> 00:44:32.780 to own that outright, 40 quid on Steam. There 00:44:32.780 --> 00:44:34.400 you go. That game's definitely going to take 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:36.280 you more than a month. Of course it is. But you 00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:38.380 own it now. That's yours. You do whatever the 00:44:38.380 --> 00:44:41.300 fuck you want with it. But no, instead, you pay 00:44:41.300 --> 00:44:43.320 30 quid a month, don't get it finished in a month 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.380 and then go, fuck, I have to either roll over 00:44:45.380 --> 00:44:49.349 another 30 quid or just don't play it. and cancel 00:44:49.349 --> 00:44:51.469 and then lose access to it and then lose yeah 00:44:51.469 --> 00:44:53.630 never go back to it ever again and then if you 00:44:53.630 --> 00:44:55.289 do want to buy it outright you've got to buy 00:44:55.289 --> 00:44:57.570 it from xbox let me see how much that it actually 00:44:57.570 --> 00:44:59.929 is on xbox let's have a look at how much hogwarts 00:44:59.929 --> 00:45:02.630 live because you can buy when you think about 00:45:02.630 --> 00:45:06.389 it imagine imagine you put like a month in solid 00:45:06.389 --> 00:45:08.570 or at least you know close on you were nowhere 00:45:08.570 --> 00:45:12.150 near to finishing a game like that and then you 00:45:12.150 --> 00:45:15.780 decided Yeah, you add the rollover and then you 00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:18.900 get busy or you get ill or whatever and you don't 00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:20.599 end up playing the game again. So you spent 60 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.219 quid on a game. Even the catalogue. So Hogwarts 00:45:23.219 --> 00:45:27.559 Legacy on Steam without a fucking 80 % off is 00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:32.179 £49 .99. Yeah. Buy it for £9 .99 on Steam. On 00:45:32.179 --> 00:45:36.059 Xbox, it's £64 .99 but there's a sale going on 00:45:36.059 --> 00:45:41.480 so you're fine. £51 .99. So on sale, it costs 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.420 more than what it does without a sale on Steam. 00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:49.039 It costs £2 more on sale than full price on Steam. 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.940 How does that make sense? I suppose there's a 00:45:52.940 --> 00:45:55.619 captive audience element because if you're... 00:45:55.619 --> 00:45:57.179 But how does that make sense? If you're only 00:45:57.179 --> 00:45:59.699 a console gamer, yeah, you are kind of trapped 00:45:59.699 --> 00:46:02.440 in that market. But then I'm sure you could probably 00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:04.760 find it... But you're telling me that the game 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:08.380 itself, without any discounts... just on its 00:46:08.380 --> 00:46:11.880 own, is more expensive on Xbox than it is on 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.539 Steam. So why are you not at least making it 00:46:15.539 --> 00:46:17.659 the same price as Steam? Here's all the fucking, 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:19.360 here's all the Assassin's Creed that they're 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.579 banging on about. How much is fucking... And 00:46:21.579 --> 00:46:22.960 it's not even like they'll give you a physical 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:25.380 to any of that either. How much is Breakpoint 00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:29.500 on fucking Steam? Tom Clancy's Breakpoint. It's 00:46:29.500 --> 00:46:33.380 reduced from £49 .99. That's 90 % off. It's £4 00:46:33.380 --> 00:46:36.800 .99 at the moment if you wanted that. I've already 00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:38.760 got it, to be fair. If you wanted it on Xbox, 00:46:39.139 --> 00:46:41.539 you'll either subscribe for 30 quid, because 00:46:41.539 --> 00:46:43.900 it's part of the Ultimate Edition, or pay 50. 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:50.940 50. It makes me glad I'm not a console gamer 00:46:50.940 --> 00:46:56.239 anymore. What the fuck? What is that? As much 00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.460 as, yeah, it's expensive to make a PC, I will 00:46:58.460 --> 00:47:01.340 advocate that just fucking... But here you go, 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:02.739 because Xbox does this lovely... Just the gaming 00:47:02.739 --> 00:47:05.099 scene is so much like... it does this lovely 00:47:05.099 --> 00:47:08.380 thing where it tells you the play times for it. 00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:12.099 So, Ghost Recon Breakpoint, main story 23 hours, 00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.340 main plus the extras is 53, completionist is 00:47:15.340 --> 00:47:19.920 99, all styles is 44 hours. So, you've got to 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:24.719 spend an entire working week in a month to get 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:26.780 your... To at least get that done. To make it 00:47:26.780 --> 00:47:30.320 cost effective. That's just one game. That's 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.590 just one. You want to fucking do... you're interested 00:47:33.590 --> 00:47:36.150 in Hogwarts Legacy, that's fine. I'll tell you 00:47:36.150 --> 00:47:38.570 how long that's going to fucking take you. It's 00:47:38.570 --> 00:47:41.269 going to take you all styles, so a mixture of 00:47:41.269 --> 00:47:44.489 both, 47 hours. So there you go. There's two 00:47:44.489 --> 00:47:46.090 working weeks out of a month that you're going 00:47:46.090 --> 00:47:49.130 to have to spend. To get two titles out, which 00:47:49.130 --> 00:47:51.550 is the, you know. To get two titles out that 00:47:51.550 --> 00:47:54.570 will cost you, that will cost you less than 20 00:47:54.570 --> 00:47:57.789 quid on Steam right now. Yeah. For both of them. 00:47:59.610 --> 00:48:02.380 Oh, they fucked it. What a great episode. This 00:48:02.380 --> 00:48:04.659 is a very informative episode. This is very, 00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:09.300 very good. It's actually been my... It doesn't 00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:12.400 make any sense. Why would you do that? I completely 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:14.639 forgot that we're actually doing a podcast at 00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.280 the moment because it's just so interesting because 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.639 I don't understand where the logic is, but where 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.960 one fucking door closes, another one opens in 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.590 that Xbox's... royally stiffed themselves with 00:48:28.590 --> 00:48:30.829 this kind of bullshit and then Steam have jumped 00:48:30.829 --> 00:48:33.869 on it. Obviously, I know that... Well, that's 00:48:33.869 --> 00:48:37.090 the thing, actually, is that this sale was active 00:48:37.090 --> 00:48:40.170 before that shit. 29th of last month it started. 00:48:40.710 --> 00:48:43.050 So it's been... So it's been a month. A week. 00:48:43.250 --> 00:48:45.989 Oh, a week, sorry. A week's worth of discount 00:48:45.989 --> 00:48:48.489 so far. Today's the last day. Ah, so that does 00:48:48.489 --> 00:48:50.570 line up pretty well with Xbox announcing that 00:48:50.570 --> 00:48:53.289 they were going to do a price hike. Yeah, it 00:48:53.289 --> 00:48:55.219 does. It doesn't look any better on them. If 00:48:55.219 --> 00:48:56.719 you turn around and go... Of course it doesn't. 00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.440 You announce that when it's not sale season, 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.099 and you turn around and go, someone who's... 00:49:02.099 --> 00:49:04.139 Especially, I don't know how much of the market 00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:10.639 is for Game Pass, is PC gamers. Because seeing 00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.179 that, you would turn around and go, I don't give 00:49:12.179 --> 00:49:14.320 a fuck about Game Pass anymore. There's no point. 00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:18.019 Steam holds the monopoly when it comes to PC 00:49:18.019 --> 00:49:20.539 gaming. But then that's why I'd say, I'm glad 00:49:20.539 --> 00:49:24.760 I'm not... I feel sympathetic to... Console gamers. 00:49:25.019 --> 00:49:30.619 Imagine being an Xbox gamer, which probably ain't 00:49:30.619 --> 00:49:32.360 the best at the minute because the games are 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:36.320 pretty shit on it. But if that was your captive 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.440 audience and you go, right, either I can buy 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.980 the games and now because games aren't physical 00:49:42.980 --> 00:49:45.440 and whatever else, unless you're getting a good 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:48.559 deal in whatever shop you're going to buy it 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:56.599 from, you're captive. by the fact that the Microsoft 00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:59.780 shop is just more expensive than everything else. 00:49:59.900 --> 00:50:03.480 Yeah. It doesn't make any fucking... CD keys. 00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:06.960 Here we come. But it doesn't... Well, yeah. But 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.000 it doesn't make any sense. I don't understand 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.420 why... They're going to... It's going to be a 00:50:11.420 --> 00:50:13.079 heavy hit for them because they're going to... 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:14.840 Because what you find as well with Steam, I'm 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:16.840 just looking at the... Because even I do, like, 00:50:16.900 --> 00:50:19.239 even games on Steam, I'll be like, if there's 00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:21.599 not a sale on... I'll have a little gander at 00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:25.920 CD Keys just to see what their discount is. So 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:29.800 you've got, so I'm looking at Steam's top 100 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:33.099 selling games right now by revenue. I'm not going 00:50:33.099 --> 00:50:34.619 to fucking go through them. Obviously Steam Deck 00:50:34.619 --> 00:50:38.559 is at the top as it would be. But you've got, 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:43.119 if I go from the top fucking, so from the top 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:47.820 21 games here, there is one, two, three, four, 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:54.559 five, six, seven. 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. There are 00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:58.619 currently 12 games in the top 21 that are on 00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:04.900 sale. And I'm talking like 67 % off, 60%, 75%, 00:51:04.900 --> 00:51:09.760 75%, 80 % off, 53%. Part of me makes me wonder 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:11.739 whether they changed that halfway through the 00:51:11.739 --> 00:51:14.679 sale. What do you mean? Like if they started 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.559 with an amount, because sometimes they... you'll 00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:19.900 see a game on sale for one amount. Like they 00:51:19.900 --> 00:51:22.780 might say, oh, everything's 50 % off. Whether 00:51:22.780 --> 00:51:25.340 they adjusted that and went, oh yeah, some of 00:51:25.340 --> 00:51:28.059 these important new titles, make them 75 % at 00:51:28.059 --> 00:51:30.219 the minute. Yeah, probably. Rather than 50%. 00:51:30.219 --> 00:51:32.500 Because it makes more sense. Makes far more sense. 00:51:32.539 --> 00:51:38.039 I'm looking through the store right now. I am 00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:40.039 so much more likely to buy something because 00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:41.980 of how fat the sales are. I'm going to buy something 00:51:41.980 --> 00:51:43.619 anyway just because of this fucking podcast. 00:51:44.420 --> 00:51:46.300 I think you've got less than two hours to get 00:51:46.300 --> 00:51:50.340 some purchases in. Even like V Rising, 14 quid, 00:51:50.340 --> 00:51:52.719 and that's a good game. There's just so much 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:56.380 shit. It's done how you'd want it to be done. 00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:59.940 That to me is how the world works in terms of 00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:03.519 consumerism in that don't increase, don't give 00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:06.059 me more and increase the price. Yeah. Give me 00:52:06.059 --> 00:52:07.880 more and fucking keep the price the same or make 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:09.380 it cheaper. Yeah. Because then you're going to 00:52:09.380 --> 00:52:12.039 get more. Or have another, make a new tier that's 00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:14.960 more money. Yeah. And turn around and say, everything's 00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:18.019 staying the same. So your PC tier, your fucking 00:52:18.019 --> 00:52:21.380 standard premium tier, your ultimate tier is, 00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:23.280 or you change the names of them. So you go, you 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.659 just stay with the standard one. The old ultimate 00:52:25.659 --> 00:52:28.500 becomes premium. And then you bring out a new 00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:32.019 ultimate that is this new value. And you turn 00:52:32.019 --> 00:52:34.369 around and say. this is where the new titles 00:52:34.369 --> 00:52:36.969 are going to be at. We're not changing anything. 00:52:37.510 --> 00:52:40.110 It's up to you to make that decision if you want 00:52:40.110 --> 00:52:42.269 to move up to the next tier because we're going 00:52:42.269 --> 00:52:45.650 to put this much more content, this much more 00:52:45.650 --> 00:52:48.210 gaming material out there for you if you want 00:52:48.210 --> 00:52:49.670 access to these new titles. I know it's a bit 00:52:49.670 --> 00:52:52.909 cunny because you turn around and go, well, that 00:52:52.909 --> 00:52:55.010 should be included in what I'm already paying. 00:52:55.530 --> 00:52:57.989 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then don't stiff people 00:52:57.989 --> 00:53:00.969 and turn around and go, yeah, we're increasing 00:53:00.969 --> 00:53:03.980 it by 50%. Good luck. Atomic Heart, you can buy 00:53:03.980 --> 00:53:07.019 it for £54 .99 on Game Pass or you can just go 00:53:07.019 --> 00:53:14.880 to Steam and buy it for £16. Yep. That's enough. 00:53:14.940 --> 00:53:16.780 I'm done. I'm done looking at it. I'm taking 00:53:16.780 --> 00:53:18.380 up enough time. You get the gist. Everyone listening, 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.760 you get the gist. Fucking, if you're boycotting 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.619 Xbox, Game Pass, Microsoft, whatever. Fuck them. 00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.400 You know where to go. Fucking move yourself over 00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:29.199 to Steam. If you've only got an Xbox, sort your 00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.780 life out. Yeah, there's a problem there. I really 00:53:31.780 --> 00:53:34.500 hope they bring Steam to Xbox for you. I hope 00:53:34.500 --> 00:53:36.880 that was an informative episode where... I feel 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.599 like that was. I feel like that's a good little 00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:44.179 bash there, but for good reason. Just highlighting 00:53:44.179 --> 00:53:47.619 how shit should be done. Yeah. They've been on 00:53:47.619 --> 00:53:50.139 the downward spiral, I think, anyway, let alone... 00:53:50.329 --> 00:53:52.110 everything comes to a full it's the same with 00:53:52.110 --> 00:53:54.849 cod and black ops 7 that looks fucking shit that 00:53:54.849 --> 00:53:56.750 looks waft especially when you're comparing that 00:53:56.750 --> 00:53:59.530 to battlefield 6 you go oh my god i'd hate to 00:53:59.530 --> 00:54:02.269 be i'd hate to be in the development room for 00:54:02.269 --> 00:54:04.949 for black ops 6 black ops 7 looking at all of 00:54:04.949 --> 00:54:08.389 that i see the beta i see clips of the beta today 00:54:08.389 --> 00:54:10.630 and there's already hackers in it is there in 00:54:10.630 --> 00:54:16.289 a beta wow what the fuck oh god anyway anyway 00:54:17.269 --> 00:54:19.409 Thanks for listening to that one, everyone. See 00:54:19.409 --> 00:54:20.230 you later.