WEBVTT 00:00:00.140 --> 00:00:03.299 hello everyone welcome to what's the buttons 00:00:03.299 --> 00:00:08.919 podcast it's actually um year three the third 00:00:08.919 --> 00:00:13.199 birthday of the podcast happy birthday to me 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:19.239 happy birthday to me happy birthday to me and 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:23.719 ash and steph and mark and connor and daryl happy 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:28.920 birthday what i was trying to do But I can't 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:31.039 remember. It's the other rainbow song. But I 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:33.140 can't remember what they are. No. Happy birthday 00:00:33.140 --> 00:00:39.020 to you. Make a wish. Nice. And to all the patrons 00:00:39.020 --> 00:00:42.740 as well. Yeah. I guess. That's not the anniversary 00:00:42.740 --> 00:00:45.159 for the patron. No, do you know what that is? 00:00:45.420 --> 00:00:51.420 No. Anniversary for the podcast. Yeah, year three. 00:00:52.060 --> 00:00:56.299 Nothing crazy going on. I mean... probably one 00:00:56.299 --> 00:00:58.479 of the cool things is that we finally got a a 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:02.659 microphone stand and a small little microphone 00:01:02.659 --> 00:01:05.359 um which is basically the same mics that we've 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:08.560 currently got which are big wham penis mics uh 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:10.719 and it's just a little chode version of it that 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:13.379 steph's currently using i mean i'm loving it 00:01:13.379 --> 00:01:15.719 so far yeah i feel if some reason it's just i 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:17.459 don't know i feel like kind of lazy but it's 00:01:17.459 --> 00:01:20.769 also nice I feel like I'm being cradled. But 00:01:20.769 --> 00:01:24.209 what I was just saying is the little behind the 00:01:24.209 --> 00:01:28.129 scenes, the microphones that we use are Rode 00:01:28.129 --> 00:01:31.849 Procasters and they're very good. But the problem 00:01:31.849 --> 00:01:33.769 with them is that you have to talk right into 00:01:33.769 --> 00:01:35.230 the top of them because if you're talking to 00:01:35.230 --> 00:01:38.689 the side, it's all sound deadening. So it doesn't 00:01:38.689 --> 00:01:42.129 pick up a decent sound. And the new mic that 00:01:42.129 --> 00:01:44.969 we've got is of the same make. So therefore, 00:01:45.049 --> 00:01:51.930 it's the same type of microphone. Mia! Hey! Dog's 00:01:51.930 --> 00:01:54.870 licking herself. Look at the eyes on her. Don't 00:01:54.870 --> 00:02:01.650 look at me like that. Terrible. And, yeah, they're 00:02:01.650 --> 00:02:04.629 great for sound, but when you want to have a 00:02:04.629 --> 00:02:07.049 microphone away from you and then pick up decent 00:02:07.049 --> 00:02:09.270 sound, they're not fantastic. So I was a little 00:02:09.270 --> 00:02:10.750 bit worried about getting a microphone stand 00:02:10.750 --> 00:02:12.750 and then not being able to move it about as freely, 00:02:12.870 --> 00:02:16.949 but hopefully this will go pretty well, which 00:02:16.949 --> 00:02:20.530 it is so far. Yeah, it's decent. I mean, it's 00:02:20.530 --> 00:02:22.889 the sort of thing I'm self -conscious because 00:02:22.889 --> 00:02:24.969 I realise how much I move the microwave in my 00:02:24.969 --> 00:02:28.610 hand to just make human noises. So if you hear 00:02:28.610 --> 00:02:32.289 any whistling, it's not a bogey. But it's like 00:02:32.289 --> 00:02:34.430 you're on a radio station, isn't it? It does 00:02:34.430 --> 00:02:35.550 feel very official. Because it's right there. 00:02:35.750 --> 00:02:37.669 It's almost like whenever you... Because the 00:02:37.669 --> 00:02:41.069 one that I've always found weird is sports commentators 00:02:41.069 --> 00:02:44.909 because obviously they've got like a rest for 00:02:44.909 --> 00:02:47.629 their lip. So they hold it right close to them 00:02:47.629 --> 00:02:49.430 and then talk into it. Because obviously that's 00:02:49.430 --> 00:02:51.810 the, no different to how I'm talking now, but 00:02:51.810 --> 00:02:53.789 imagine there's a lip on it that keeps it in 00:02:53.789 --> 00:02:56.310 place. Yeah, so you know that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, 00:02:56.349 --> 00:02:59.090 which is quite cool. But I wouldn't really want 00:02:59.090 --> 00:03:01.610 to sit there like this with it right in my face. 00:03:01.729 --> 00:03:04.349 And I'd just be so concerned of like, and stuff 00:03:04.349 --> 00:03:06.870 like that. Because it's just like, ew. Yeah. 00:03:06.969 --> 00:03:08.530 But then I think it's kind of nice because you 00:03:08.530 --> 00:03:10.669 think like, you know, you're on year three and 00:03:10.669 --> 00:03:13.020 I feel like. you know incrementally you're getting 00:03:13.020 --> 00:03:15.520 that more and more professional sort of setup 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:18.400 and stuff yeah i mean i know like we've spoken 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:20.060 about the house and stuff on here before but 00:03:20.060 --> 00:03:22.919 the dream for the pod room is very much still 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.219 there and still alive it's just working on it 00:03:25.219 --> 00:03:28.379 yeah i was looking at um looking at tables the 00:03:28.379 --> 00:03:32.080 other day like a bigger a bigger desk set up 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:35.719 um and being able to to have various things knocking 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:39.759 about um time You know what I mean? Time will 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:42.120 get us there. And also like this mic stand, it 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:44.520 does lend itself to that sort of like, you know, 00:03:44.539 --> 00:03:46.060 when you were saying about getting comfy chairs 00:03:46.060 --> 00:03:48.699 and having, you know, you could clip that to 00:03:48.699 --> 00:03:51.199 the table at your side and then you'd be like 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:52.900 well relaxed. You're not even going to worry 00:03:52.900 --> 00:03:54.800 about holding it. It's nice. Because these mics 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:56.500 obviously go in there and I took a photo and 00:03:56.500 --> 00:03:58.539 showed you and showed the lads and it just looks 00:03:58.539 --> 00:04:01.139 fucking ridiculous. Obviously these mics are 00:04:01.139 --> 00:04:03.060 long and they're heavy. Putting it on a little 00:04:03.060 --> 00:04:05.139 stand like that, it just looks like it's going 00:04:05.139 --> 00:04:08.069 to snap in half and also it's just... You think 00:04:08.069 --> 00:04:10.490 that's phallic and this is phallic. Try having 00:04:10.490 --> 00:04:13.189 this big dong hanging off of a mic stand in front 00:04:13.189 --> 00:04:16.470 of you. It's so fucking weird. It's really not 00:04:16.470 --> 00:04:19.949 good. But it is cool. It is cool. It could be 00:04:19.949 --> 00:04:22.310 pink, but you know. I apologise. They didn't 00:04:22.310 --> 00:04:24.009 do it in pink. Of course they don't. It was either 00:04:24.009 --> 00:04:26.350 black or white. And I got a weird thing about 00:04:26.350 --> 00:04:28.610 getting white equipment. Yeah, I know. Why? Because 00:04:28.610 --> 00:04:31.170 it just gets dirty. It probably would, but if 00:04:31.170 --> 00:04:32.769 it gets dirty. Could you get the mic in white? 00:04:33.870 --> 00:04:36.569 Yes. No, I know. It does look a bit tasty and 00:04:36.569 --> 00:04:38.870 white. I will give it that. Oh, my God. I know. 00:04:38.990 --> 00:04:41.170 It's because if you get dirt on them, obviously... 00:04:41.170 --> 00:04:43.470 What's getting dirty? Well, because you're touching... 00:04:43.470 --> 00:04:45.490 You think a mic stand, you're touching that and 00:04:45.490 --> 00:04:47.509 moving that a lot. I've touched it once. Yeah. 00:04:47.550 --> 00:04:48.589 And also, what have you been doing with your 00:04:48.589 --> 00:04:49.970 fucking hands? Just wash your hands and then 00:04:49.970 --> 00:04:55.310 you're fine. Anywho. Games. Onwards and forwards. 00:04:55.329 --> 00:04:59.069 Gaming, gaming. I floated the idea to Steph of 00:04:59.069 --> 00:05:03.300 talking about AI in games. I feel like... You 00:05:03.300 --> 00:05:04.660 just have to talk nicely because it's all listening. 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:07.139 Probably a half -decent conversation because 00:05:07.139 --> 00:05:10.519 I want to hazard a guess that me and you sit 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:13.339 kind of on the opposite sides of the fence. I 00:05:13.339 --> 00:05:14.819 reckon we do, actually. When it comes to AI. 00:05:15.100 --> 00:05:18.079 What, you for and me against? Yeah. Yeah. I feel 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:20.139 like that's how I am. It's got a weird thing 00:05:20.139 --> 00:05:25.720 about it. It seems weird. If AI in its entirety 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:30.540 wasn't so damaging environmentally, would you 00:05:30.540 --> 00:05:34.420 still be up for it? No. You just don't like it. 00:05:34.459 --> 00:05:36.899 There's something off -putting about it. I mean, 00:05:36.939 --> 00:05:38.480 this isn't a unique point of view by any means, 00:05:38.579 --> 00:05:44.180 but just aside from gaming for a moment, I saw 00:05:44.180 --> 00:05:46.620 the other day a photograph that my cousin had 00:05:46.620 --> 00:05:49.319 asked me to have a go at, and I was struggling 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:52.860 with it. It's just that damaged photo of Jer. 00:05:52.980 --> 00:05:58.439 Yeah. And I'd had a little go, and the way that 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:02.560 I've always done it was... It would have been 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:05.720 all right, but not, you know what I mean? And 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:08.959 anyway, so she, it has to be AI because there's 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:10.879 no way. I'll have to ask her after I speak to 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:14.259 her. But this picture, it's, you know how like 00:06:14.259 --> 00:06:16.199 originally or even like, I don't know, six months 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.199 ago, a year ago, whatever. And you'd see like 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.920 AI restored photographs and it would be, you 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:23.600 know, 10 fingers or it's not that person. And 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:25.379 yes, that's still happening now. But this picture 00:06:25.379 --> 00:06:29.329 is like. it's difficult because I don't know 00:06:29.329 --> 00:06:31.810 the other two men so to me they do look identical 00:06:31.810 --> 00:06:33.449 and maybe if you did know them you'd go no that's 00:06:33.449 --> 00:06:36.670 not quite right but it's or like the you know 00:06:36.670 --> 00:06:39.269 the news reporter one the other day and she says 00:06:39.269 --> 00:06:41.389 oh coming at you live oh jokes I'm not real there's 00:06:41.389 --> 00:06:45.209 so many so many that genuinely I suppose being 00:06:45.209 --> 00:06:49.410 from like the photography background And how, 00:06:49.470 --> 00:06:51.410 you know, you used to get kicked out of competitions 00:06:51.410 --> 00:06:55.629 if they reckoned you'd used a preset or you'd 00:06:55.629 --> 00:06:58.410 moved a finger or an eyelash or a fucking hair 00:06:58.410 --> 00:07:00.269 out of the way. It'd be like, whoop, nope, you're 00:07:00.269 --> 00:07:04.329 out. That's manipulation. That's gone. That's 00:07:04.329 --> 00:07:06.689 essentially like just been completely erased 00:07:06.689 --> 00:07:09.089 by AI. And I feel like all of a sudden we've 00:07:09.089 --> 00:07:12.370 just accepted that it's in everything and it's 00:07:12.370 --> 00:07:14.889 a good thing. And, you know, like you said the 00:07:14.889 --> 00:07:18.329 other day, or actually literally yesterday. and 00:07:18.329 --> 00:07:21.230 i and i wanted to know my sister had given me 00:07:21.230 --> 00:07:22.990 a plant and i wanted to know where i should put 00:07:22.990 --> 00:07:25.110 it in the house and you go oh no just ask alexa 00:07:25.110 --> 00:07:27.790 and it's like or i could just ask my actual sister 00:07:27.790 --> 00:07:30.189 who planted the plant and i feel like with gaming 00:07:30.189 --> 00:07:33.149 as well you're gonna you know i mean is it is 00:07:33.149 --> 00:07:34.509 it going to be the sort of thing where previously 00:07:34.509 --> 00:07:36.470 you'd figure it out for yourself but instead 00:07:36.470 --> 00:07:38.110 you're going to have this person going i can 00:07:38.110 --> 00:07:39.670 see that you're struggling because i think that 00:07:39.670 --> 00:07:41.290 this you know the way that you've just moved 00:07:41.290 --> 00:07:42.930 around suggests that you don't know where you 00:07:42.930 --> 00:07:45.569 are so and all that shit like is it going to 00:07:45.569 --> 00:07:48.660 be where you're almost not even playing the game 00:07:48.660 --> 00:07:51.120 anymore because this thing is just there and 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.180 it's basically better at it than you and it knows 00:07:53.180 --> 00:07:57.740 you better. I don't know, man. It's iffy. I feel 00:07:57.740 --> 00:08:00.180 iffy about it. I feel unsettled. Me and you obviously 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:03.779 just got brand new phones. Yeah. So S25 Ultra 00:08:03.779 --> 00:08:07.500 and what have you got? iPhone 16 Pro. 16 Pro. 00:08:08.019 --> 00:08:12.980 So... And they're littered with AI. The 25 Ultra 00:08:12.980 --> 00:08:17.720 is designed for AI. Everything you can fucking 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:21.040 do with it is AI. I just allowed it on my phone 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:22.959 this morning because I wanted to know if I could 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.420 have two Hayfever tablets together. Rather than 00:08:26.420 --> 00:08:29.439 just Googling it. Exactly. Because I look at 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:31.339 how easy it is for you and I get jealous. It's 00:08:31.339 --> 00:08:36.639 so handy. Obviously, I've got that app for picture 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.639 this for identifying plants and insects and other 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:42.620 shit. Use it a lot for work, but also use it 00:08:42.620 --> 00:08:46.679 a lot outside of work. And I still do use it 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.320 and I pay for it. It's not expensive. But with 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:52.419 the AI thing, you can just take a picture and 00:08:52.419 --> 00:08:54.960 just fucking circle something. And it just pops 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:57.539 up. That fucking light outside with the blue 00:08:57.539 --> 00:08:59.840 thing that I've just broken. I'm going to take 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:02.539 a photo of it and then circle it to find out 00:09:02.539 --> 00:09:04.549 what that is. And it's going to tell me what 00:09:04.549 --> 00:09:06.610 that is. Because I also can't be asked to Google 00:09:06.610 --> 00:09:09.590 outside light with blue bulb on it, with blue 00:09:09.590 --> 00:09:11.549 bobble on it. Because that's just going to fucking 00:09:11.549 --> 00:09:14.649 tell me how to do it. And me and a couple of 00:09:14.649 --> 00:09:16.929 the lads were having a chat about AI and shit 00:09:16.929 --> 00:09:23.950 and technology and how vastly different times 00:09:23.950 --> 00:09:27.909 are in not a short amount of time, in not a long 00:09:27.909 --> 00:09:33.169 distance. And it's just made life... easier but 00:09:33.169 --> 00:09:37.269 at the same time more difficult and also it's 00:09:37.269 --> 00:09:42.529 like not always like you know you know the the 00:09:42.529 --> 00:09:44.429 google now that everything you google there's 00:09:44.429 --> 00:09:49.309 the ai overview yeah yeah and i've already run 00:09:49.309 --> 00:09:52.429 into quite a few problems with that because so 00:09:52.429 --> 00:09:56.710 at work there's certain gift cards we sell but 00:09:56.710 --> 00:10:00.809 we don't accept but oh that's very loud but in 00:10:00.809 --> 00:10:05.940 ireland they do so ai when you google do they 00:10:05.940 --> 00:10:08.620 accept this gift card it says yes they do but 00:10:08.620 --> 00:10:10.600 they don't it's because it's taken it from the 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:13.100 irish website and said so we get countless people 00:10:13.100 --> 00:10:15.399 coming in saying well what do you mean it says 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:17.320 here you do and you go no but that's not google 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:20.059 like i get people coming in going what what do 00:10:20.059 --> 00:10:23.899 i have to do to get my phone for 5g because they've 00:10:23.899 --> 00:10:26.820 received this text that the network's going over 00:10:26.820 --> 00:10:28.299 and they don't know what that means and thinks 00:10:28.299 --> 00:10:30.159 that they have to buy a new phone it's like no 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.039 what you what it's telling probably i've not 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:34.340 seen the message but i can assume it's your hand 00:10:34.340 --> 00:10:36.120 obviously like my previous phone was limited 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:38.580 to 4g didn't matter if i was in a 5g area that's 00:10:38.580 --> 00:10:42.500 that you know what i mean and that sort of thing 00:10:42.500 --> 00:10:45.919 where ai is so confident that it's right it's 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:49.019 not saying something like you know check the 00:10:49.019 --> 00:10:51.539 website or actually i don't know or only in ireland 00:10:51.539 --> 00:10:55.019 it's like how can you be so smart and actually 00:10:55.019 --> 00:10:57.899 missed the mark as well on stuff that... Yeah, 00:10:58.000 --> 00:10:59.679 I mean, I feel like a lot of that's down to a 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:03.539 user, though. But it doesn't say anywhere that 00:11:03.539 --> 00:11:04.980 it's in Ireland. I only know that because I work 00:11:04.980 --> 00:11:07.559 there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you were 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:08.980 Googling it, you would think... You'd want it 00:11:08.980 --> 00:11:10.620 to recognise that you're in England. Well, fuck 00:11:10.620 --> 00:11:12.539 me, I sent my mum's curries because I fell for 00:11:12.539 --> 00:11:14.960 it initially. I didn't realise. And it said that 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.220 you can and you can't. You know, and things like 00:11:17.220 --> 00:11:21.279 that. In terms from just dragging it back from 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:26.259 a gaming standpoint, It's very difficult because 00:11:26.259 --> 00:11:33.559 on one hand, I agree with its integration into 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.000 gaming. And on the other hand, which is arguably 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.000 the bigger hand, I don't agree with it in integration. 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.679 So there's a couple of aspects where I do. So 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:50.480 in terms of, say, ESO, for example. one of the 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:53.460 things that we love the most, you and I and most 00:11:53.460 --> 00:11:57.000 people that play it, is the voice acting and 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:00.440 how every single aspect of it is voice acted 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:04.440 by countless people, which I feel like is so 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:08.679 incredibly in -depth for an MMO, for everything 00:12:08.679 --> 00:12:11.039 to be voice acted like that. I'm talking fucking 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:16.559 quest text, quips, fucking loads of shit. Go 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.139 and talk to a random NPC and there will be... 00:12:20.139 --> 00:12:22.919 What's that? Oh, it's the washing machine. Oh. 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:25.500 Fucking spinning. These lot won't hear it. Okay. 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:30.720 But, yeah, just loads of voice acting and that 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.139 is a thing that isn't present in World of Warcraft 00:12:34.139 --> 00:12:39.450 at all. However, it is present on things like 00:12:39.450 --> 00:12:44.230 Ascension, where their private servers, or they're 00:12:44.230 --> 00:12:46.649 using the game files themselves, so it's a privately 00:12:46.649 --> 00:12:51.590 owned game, if you will, where they use AI integration 00:12:51.590 --> 00:12:56.169 to voice act the quest text. Because obviously 00:12:56.169 --> 00:12:58.029 when you click on a quest in WoW, it comes up, 00:12:58.049 --> 00:12:59.169 when you're talking to that person, it comes 00:12:59.169 --> 00:13:01.009 up with a big old text. Yeah, and it's fucking 00:13:01.009 --> 00:13:02.970 long. Barely anyone reads it, because it's long. 00:13:03.389 --> 00:13:06.269 but with ESO you don't really read that but you 00:13:06.269 --> 00:13:08.450 can listen to it which makes it way more accessible 00:13:08.450 --> 00:13:12.330 so AI is integrated into that that's an example 00:13:12.330 --> 00:13:14.669 where I would agree with it because you're implementing 00:13:14.669 --> 00:13:17.470 that into a game where it doesn't exist and the 00:13:17.470 --> 00:13:20.590 developer isn't going to put the effort or the 00:13:20.590 --> 00:13:25.070 money involved to voice act all of that all of 00:13:25.070 --> 00:13:28.049 those quests and everything else that's an example 00:13:28.049 --> 00:13:32.559 where I would agree with it Or things like if 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:36.220 you're procedurally generating a new planet, 00:13:36.299 --> 00:13:39.559 an area, a world, say like No Man's Sky, for 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:43.679 example, millions and millions of fucking worlds, 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:48.320 planets that you can visit. Well, if you want 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.080 developers to make every single one from scratch, 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.899 the game's never going to release or it's going 00:13:54.899 --> 00:13:56.779 to be constantly updated with multiple ones. 00:13:56.820 --> 00:14:01.440 So you incorporate AI into that. to procedurally 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.639 generate different areas for you then i feel 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:07.960 like that can work as well because you've still 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:09.320 got the game at its core you've still got the 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.460 people that are required to make it but a lot 00:14:11.460 --> 00:14:14.940 of that legwork is taken away by having to not 00:14:14.940 --> 00:14:17.779 worry so much about that yeah those are the types 00:14:17.779 --> 00:14:19.899 of things where i agree with them the other thing 00:14:19.899 --> 00:14:22.440 that would be cool um i mean don't get me wrong 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:24.620 i'm not like you know oh i'm not gonna play that 00:14:24.620 --> 00:14:26.879 because it's good ai it's just like i don't know 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:28.919 i guess i'm just a little bit like nervy of the 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.149 whole thing but I just while you were speaking 00:14:32.149 --> 00:14:34.129 then I thought of a good one that would have 00:14:34.129 --> 00:14:37.250 definitely improved like the gameplay experience 00:14:37.250 --> 00:14:41.269 say for example you had AI that it's taking note 00:14:41.269 --> 00:14:44.029 of like so say take Hogwarts Legacy and our main 00:14:44.029 --> 00:14:46.230 complaint with that game is that you you went 00:14:46.230 --> 00:14:49.289 from being like it was it was very enjoyable 00:14:49.289 --> 00:14:52.289 and and you used all of the spells and your different 00:14:52.289 --> 00:14:55.730 bars and stuff and then it was just like oh my 00:14:55.730 --> 00:14:58.610 god I'm like massively the levelling, the scaling 00:14:58.610 --> 00:15:02.049 was off and actually then wasn't a challenge 00:15:02.049 --> 00:15:04.629 towards that last sort of, I'd say, third of 00:15:04.629 --> 00:15:07.470 the game for me. Yeah, yeah. If it could see 00:15:07.470 --> 00:15:09.470 like, okay, right, well they're constantly relying 00:15:09.470 --> 00:15:12.190 on this spell and let's make this harder for 00:15:12.190 --> 00:15:13.490 that person. You know what I mean? Like knew 00:15:13.490 --> 00:15:16.450 you as a player and made it harder, like tailored 00:15:16.450 --> 00:15:21.289 that, the levelling to your specific thing. That's 00:15:21.289 --> 00:15:24.250 definitely already a thing in quite a few games, 00:15:24.250 --> 00:15:27.620 I think. In what though? Where, boss fights where 00:15:27.620 --> 00:15:32.399 the enemy will learn your character and how you 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:35.240 play yeah and everything like that and will counteract 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:40.039 upon that let me i'll quickly look say what but 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:44.580 what using ai or just like a i spoke because 00:15:44.580 --> 00:15:46.860 i mean realistically you there's ways there's 00:15:46.860 --> 00:15:50.120 other ways of of achieving things that ai can 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:53.120 do isn't it in that it's essentially like an 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:58.120 extension of humans Hence, artificial intelligence. 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:03.460 Yeah. It says... When was this from, though? 00:16:03.500 --> 00:16:06.700 The world's first AI boss. The world's first 00:16:06.700 --> 00:16:12.360 AI boss is Asterion? Asterion? Featured in the 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:18.879 upcoming MMORPG... MIR5? I don't know what it 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:22.440 is. Developed by WeMade. we made next using nvidia 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:24.879 ace technology unlike traditional scripted bosses 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:28.080 hysterian learns from player actions and adapts 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:30.639 its strategies in real time making each encounter 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.899 unique oh wait so it's not out yet i don't think 00:16:33.899 --> 00:16:37.980 that's out yet or no i don't think that's out 00:16:37.980 --> 00:16:41.019 yet and that's using nvidia because obviously 00:16:41.019 --> 00:16:44.340 nvidia are getting quite big into the ai world 00:16:44.340 --> 00:16:49.139 i mean a lot of fucking computer tech is is is 00:16:49.139 --> 00:16:52.639 getting into that maybe i'm probably wrong in 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.159 my statement then that that ai in terms of boss 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:59.039 fights hasn't quite landed yet but is going to 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:02.539 do i like that well that it learns how i think 00:17:02.539 --> 00:17:05.339 it makes it a lot more challenging i think that's 00:17:05.339 --> 00:17:08.200 quite cool because you know yourself quite cool 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:13.140 and unique like not to um you know your gameplay 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:19.619 of elden ring great Let's be honest. If, for 00:17:19.619 --> 00:17:27.160 example, Mimic Tear, which was your crutch throughout 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:29.559 the entire thing. Mimic Tear was a mechanic that 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:31.660 you were allowed to use, and therefore I used 00:17:31.660 --> 00:17:35.160 it. But let's, for example, say it learns, right, 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:37.759 okay, for the last seven fights he's used this. 00:17:38.579 --> 00:17:41.369 Let's... bring out a boss where that you know 00:17:41.369 --> 00:17:43.230 it has a let's attack him straight off the bat 00:17:43.230 --> 00:17:46.730 yeah yeah or has something that specifically 00:17:46.730 --> 00:17:49.569 blocks the use of a mimic tier it's got some 00:17:49.569 --> 00:17:51.950 spell that stops you using it or you know something 00:17:51.950 --> 00:17:54.450 that that takes that away from you so you have 00:17:54.450 --> 00:17:56.710 to get a bit more creative that's something where 00:17:56.710 --> 00:17:58.430 it's not just putting it in for the sake of it 00:17:58.430 --> 00:18:02.309 but actually is part of that game's mechanic 00:18:02.309 --> 00:18:05.910 is to it knows you and you know what i mean like 00:18:05.910 --> 00:18:08.369 it can destabilize you and it would make you 00:18:08.369 --> 00:18:10.920 think on your feet it would almost become a race 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:12.740 against the clock because you go, all right, 00:18:12.819 --> 00:18:15.319 so I've encountered this boss for the first time, 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:19.440 okay? So let's say I make it to the second phase 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.819 of this boss, whatever it is. Let's say it's 00:18:21.819 --> 00:18:26.039 Consort Radan, yeah? Yeah. So through my many, 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:30.980 many, many tries at killing that boss, I had 00:18:30.980 --> 00:18:33.599 the first phase down to a T. Yeah. Practically 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.519 just didn't get hit because I knew the move set. 00:18:36.890 --> 00:18:39.210 And I knew what I was about to, what to expect 00:18:39.210 --> 00:18:41.450 from just the way the geezer was fucking shuffling 00:18:41.450 --> 00:18:42.890 around. I was like, I know he's going to do this, 00:18:42.890 --> 00:18:45.349 this, and this. And then make it a second phase 00:18:45.349 --> 00:18:46.730 and then it's just all hell breaks loose and 00:18:46.730 --> 00:18:48.390 fucking clench your bum, I won't hope you win. 00:18:49.329 --> 00:18:55.049 So, let's say I'm getting to a point where I'm 00:18:55.049 --> 00:18:58.970 memorising that moveset. If the boss itself is 00:18:58.970 --> 00:19:02.650 ran by AI, so could recognise that after two 00:19:02.650 --> 00:19:06.519 or three attempts, I'm still dying. But I'm getting 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:09.420 better as the player at avoiding these mechanics. 00:19:09.779 --> 00:19:11.779 And then the boss is going to switch it around 00:19:11.779 --> 00:19:15.119 and start doing some weird shit. Which I'm pretty 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:18.240 fucking sure Consort Radan does. Because I'm 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.500 not the only fucker. There's definitely movesets 00:19:20.500 --> 00:19:23.680 there where no one's seen them. No one's seen 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:26.000 that. I don't know what that's doing. I don't 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.740 know why he's done that. That's not part of the 00:19:27.740 --> 00:19:32.660 script. Like abilities where he's... he's hit 00:19:32.660 --> 00:19:34.900 you four times and then you've been playing for 00:19:34.900 --> 00:19:37.420 10 hours and then all of a sudden this same fucking 00:19:37.420 --> 00:19:39.599 ability that he's been using for 10 hours hits 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.619 you 12 times. You go, well, that's new because 00:19:42.619 --> 00:19:45.180 that's not a thing. And I don't know if that's 00:19:45.180 --> 00:19:47.799 us going mental because we're drained or if that's 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.940 a legit thing because Reddit says it is. He pulled 00:19:50.940 --> 00:19:52.440 that out of his ass. Where the fuck did that 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:56.420 come from? So what I'm saying is after a couple 00:19:56.420 --> 00:19:59.460 tries, he then learns because I know that if 00:19:59.460 --> 00:20:02.410 I do this. He's expecting me to do this and he's 00:20:02.410 --> 00:20:04.529 going to do that. If it then turns it on its 00:20:04.529 --> 00:20:07.990 head, is that enjoyable? Because that's where 00:20:07.990 --> 00:20:10.009 it becomes a... It's impossible. Well, that's 00:20:10.009 --> 00:20:15.289 where it becomes a fight for time. Because you 00:20:15.289 --> 00:20:18.529 go, right, after 10 attempts, he's going to start 00:20:18.529 --> 00:20:21.089 learning. He's going to have enough data to know 00:20:21.089 --> 00:20:24.470 what my habits are in this encounter. And therefore, 00:20:24.589 --> 00:20:26.529 they're going to change. So I have to kill the 00:20:26.529 --> 00:20:29.369 fucker. in less than 10 attempts, because then 00:20:29.369 --> 00:20:31.789 he isn't going to start changing by then. You 00:20:31.789 --> 00:20:33.390 see what I mean? Yeah, I mean, you're potentially 00:20:33.390 --> 00:20:36.369 running with it here. You go, I'm not going to 00:20:36.369 --> 00:20:38.569 give... Let's just make this game impossible. 00:20:38.910 --> 00:20:41.910 I'm not going to give you the chance. But then 00:20:41.910 --> 00:20:44.630 the developer is going to catch on to that and 00:20:44.630 --> 00:20:46.829 make it so that you can't kill... It's really 00:20:46.829 --> 00:20:51.369 hard to kill it within 10 goes. So then the boss 00:20:51.369 --> 00:20:53.730 is naturally extremely difficult and then you're 00:20:53.730 --> 00:20:55.490 going to throw AI into that and make it even 00:20:55.490 --> 00:20:57.470 more difficult. No, I think potentially more 00:20:57.470 --> 00:20:59.890 just say like you've got, so like Mimic tier 00:20:59.890 --> 00:21:04.549 being a mechanic of what, 10 different choices, 00:21:04.690 --> 00:21:07.950 let's say for example. Yeah. Right. Maybe it 00:21:07.950 --> 00:21:11.890 makes it so that, you know, if you've gone through 00:21:11.890 --> 00:21:13.730 that game and you've only really touched two 00:21:13.730 --> 00:21:15.710 or three because they're the ones you like and 00:21:15.710 --> 00:21:18.809 you found that's what works for you. Maybe it 00:21:18.809 --> 00:21:21.930 just does it so that, it makes you explore the 00:21:21.930 --> 00:21:23.589 other ones that you otherwise might not have, 00:21:23.670 --> 00:21:26.289 which you might not enjoy because like, for example, 00:21:26.410 --> 00:21:30.190 ESO, the second, like obviously we've made new 00:21:30.190 --> 00:21:33.529 characters and then the subclass in, the first 00:21:33.529 --> 00:21:36.730 thing I did with the subclass in was go into 00:21:36.730 --> 00:21:40.589 Templar and get my favourite ones from my other 00:21:40.589 --> 00:21:43.630 character because that's just the kind of player 00:21:43.630 --> 00:21:45.890 I am. I'm a creature of habit and I like what 00:21:45.890 --> 00:21:50.190 I like. As much as the new ones that I've got 00:21:50.190 --> 00:21:53.849 at the moment are cool, I need to be eased into 00:21:53.849 --> 00:21:56.470 it with the ones I've had previously, which is 00:21:56.470 --> 00:21:58.730 why I've gone straight back to doing that. So 00:21:58.730 --> 00:22:04.150 say, for example, that might be an option where, 00:22:04.250 --> 00:22:06.950 yeah, it doesn't work for everyone. If it's forcing 00:22:06.950 --> 00:22:08.809 you to use abilities that you otherwise wouldn't 00:22:08.809 --> 00:22:12.049 have used, but at the same time, it's making 00:22:12.049 --> 00:22:15.230 the game harder, but not impossible. I think 00:22:15.230 --> 00:22:17.500 what you're saying there... It has the potential 00:22:17.500 --> 00:22:20.539 to, it just makes the game impossible or like 00:22:20.539 --> 00:22:23.500 not fun because it's too grindy. You lose interest 00:22:23.500 --> 00:22:25.660 because you're not getting anywhere. In a sense 00:22:25.660 --> 00:22:28.000 of, would you say it keeps you gripped because 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:30.480 each time you die, like you say, you're learning 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:32.700 that little bit more. You know what to do for 00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:35.599 the next time that little bit more. And it's 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:37.279 almost like a gamble, isn't it? You're gambling 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:41.680 on. will that next turn be the turn I win? And 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:43.099 that's what's keeping you coming back. It's a 00:22:43.099 --> 00:22:47.559 very good way of, yeah. So if AI is too harsh, 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:50.480 too clever, it's going to have the opposite effect. 00:22:50.500 --> 00:22:51.680 You're going to say, fuck this, this is impossible. 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:56.920 So then how do you incorporate that into something 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.200 like a boss fight? I don't understand how you 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.019 would do that without it getting to that point. 00:23:03.019 --> 00:23:08.059 Well, do it within reason. I don't know, theoretically, 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:11.680 say what I've said, where you're using Mimic 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.400 Tear, it stops you using Mimic Tear, but then, 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:16.539 I don't know, what's another one? What's another 00:23:16.539 --> 00:23:17.740 thing you can use instead? Oh, there's fucking 00:23:17.740 --> 00:23:20.099 loads. There's loads of different summons. So 00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:23.059 whatever the other summon, and then it lets you 00:23:23.059 --> 00:23:24.819 carry on with that, and then if you die another 00:23:24.819 --> 00:23:27.200 ten times, it goes, right, I'll let Mimic Tear 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:28.440 back. So then you can get that, but you know 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:30.859 what I mean? Something like that where it's limited. 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:34.039 But that would be a recognisable pattern. Well, 00:23:34.059 --> 00:23:36.119 no, jazz it up. Do it every two turns, every 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:37.819 ten turns. You know what I mean? Keep changing. 00:23:37.819 --> 00:23:40.400 I don't know. Luckily, I'll never have to worry 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:43.019 about it. Yeah. See, I know how I would play 00:23:43.019 --> 00:23:46.859 that. Sorry, go on. So I pulled out the mimic 00:23:46.859 --> 00:23:52.079 tier. Yeah. And then after ten attempts, it disallows 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:54.640 me to use the mimic tier until I have to use 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:57.619 something else. All I'm going to do is go in 00:23:57.619 --> 00:23:59.819 there, use the other summons it lets me use. 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:02.940 keep killing myself until it lets me use the 00:24:02.940 --> 00:24:04.539 minute. Yeah, but what if you don't know? I'll 00:24:04.539 --> 00:24:06.160 keep doing it until it lets me use it. That's 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:08.859 a bit silly. No, I know, but that's what people 00:24:08.859 --> 00:24:12.519 like me and other people would do. Because then 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:15.980 I feel like the whole idea of incorporating something 00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:20.460 like AI into a game is to benefit the game itself, 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.819 but to also benefit the player and make the experience 00:24:23.819 --> 00:24:26.539 better. If you're then going to force players 00:24:26.539 --> 00:24:30.150 to play a specific way, then I feel like that 00:24:30.150 --> 00:24:33.309 defeats the concept of what you're doing. My 00:24:33.309 --> 00:24:36.369 original point wasn't to do with boss fights 00:24:36.369 --> 00:24:40.589 at all. My original point was the general scaling 00:24:40.589 --> 00:24:43.470 of the game. So, for example, my problem in Hogwarts 00:24:43.470 --> 00:24:46.109 Legacy being that it just became a piece of piss 00:24:46.109 --> 00:24:49.769 walking around. When I first played the game, 00:24:49.849 --> 00:24:52.109 I was actively avoiding dugbugs because they 00:24:52.109 --> 00:24:54.450 were fucking banging me out straight away and 00:24:54.450 --> 00:25:00.160 the big troll thing. So I was... i feel exploring 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.640 that game as they intended whereby enemies are 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:06.559 a threat and you know you're exploring within 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:08.420 reason there's areas you can't go to because 00:25:08.420 --> 00:25:11.140 they're too hard and you know you're you're you're 00:25:11.140 --> 00:25:12.779 when you see something that's supposed to be 00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:14.579 scary you are scared of it you know i mean and 00:25:14.579 --> 00:25:18.400 you either charge your arm or run away by the 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:21.460 end i was literally able to just one bank anything 00:25:21.460 --> 00:25:25.200 i wanted yeah because it because i was then too 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.599 powerful for the rest of that game so you want 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:29.579 it scaling that's what i'm saying they could 00:25:29.579 --> 00:25:31.940 could they incorporate ai into something like 00:25:31.940 --> 00:25:35.500 that where it is going to it's not going to be 00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:38.779 like like not into a boss fight per se because 00:25:38.779 --> 00:25:40.839 i do think you need a recognizable pattern you 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:44.140 need you need something to be consistent for 00:25:44.140 --> 00:25:46.359 it to be enjoyable to keep you coming back you 00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:49.339 almost want let's imagine let's imagine i have 00:25:49.339 --> 00:25:52.599 a i have a plank of wood that's teetering yeah 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:57.599 you're on one end as the player and then the 00:25:57.599 --> 00:25:59.380 enemies are on the other end or let's say there's 00:25:59.380 --> 00:26:01.759 no enemies on the other end but every time you 00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:03.980 kill an enemy their body appears on the other 00:26:03.980 --> 00:26:06.099 end of the plank so if you kill enough enemies 00:26:06.099 --> 00:26:08.859 which means you're obviously it's quite easy 00:26:08.859 --> 00:26:11.000 that plank's going to start tilting that way 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.119 and your player is eventually going to end up 00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:17.259 in with those enemies boom fucked die but then 00:26:17.259 --> 00:26:19.839 now there's two of you on this side and the more 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.450 you die the more people end up on that side. 00:26:22.509 --> 00:26:25.609 So then the scale comes back. And then eventually, 00:26:25.710 --> 00:26:27.890 it starts tilting back again because you start 00:26:27.890 --> 00:26:29.769 killing more and then it tilts back. Obviously, 00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:32.849 that's not how AI would work it out. Quick, we 00:26:32.849 --> 00:26:36.230 need the scales to figure this out. But a rolling 00:26:36.230 --> 00:26:42.470 difficulty would definitely make life so much 00:26:42.470 --> 00:26:46.450 easier. But at the same time, it's a weird one 00:26:46.450 --> 00:26:50.089 because I agree with you. There's so many games. 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:56.960 Where the scaling is just completely off. WoW 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.859 is massive for it. WoW Classic was fucking tough. 00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:04.960 Tough as shit. Back when you used to use crowd 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.539 control. Here's a mob of five things. Let's turn 00:27:08.539 --> 00:27:11.400 one into a sheep for 60 seconds. So that can't 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:13.380 fucking attack me. Let's kite that one around. 00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:15.960 Let's fucking do this, do that. Whereas now, 00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:18.400 it's I have a big sword, let me run in, I'm going 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:19.859 to kill everything in five seconds and then move 00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:24.839 on to the next thing. Simple as. But the games 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:26.740 themselves have changed, but I feel like also 00:27:26.740 --> 00:27:30.519 the community that play these games has also 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.599 changed. Because back when it was WoW Classic, 00:27:33.619 --> 00:27:36.259 back when it was vanilla, that was how it was 00:27:36.259 --> 00:27:40.099 and everyone loved it. Whereas now, you throw 00:27:40.099 --> 00:27:42.480 me in mobs like that and I'm dying left, right 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:44.140 and centre because I'm not planning out properly. 00:27:44.779 --> 00:27:47.579 I'm going to complain. Other people will complain 00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:51.319 because you're so used to this isn't the important 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:54.000 part. Being spoon fed. Yeah, pretty much. Yes, 00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:56.400 being spoon fed. Because that is what, at the 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.720 end of the day, it's a business. Something like 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.940 an MMO, Elder Scrolls, games like that that rely 00:28:01.940 --> 00:28:04.000 on that live service, character interaction, 00:28:04.220 --> 00:28:06.299 people logging in every day and fucking spending 00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:10.829 their money and doing X, Y and Z. want to entice 00:28:10.829 --> 00:28:13.150 those people to sit on that sit on their ass 00:28:13.150 --> 00:28:17.410 and play that game consistently so if you then 00:28:17.410 --> 00:28:21.809 make everything more difficult chances are people 00:28:21.809 --> 00:28:23.950 aren't going to invest the time into it nearly 00:28:23.950 --> 00:28:25.710 as much as they would something like a souls 00:28:25.710 --> 00:28:28.470 like game where they know that the game is designed 00:28:28.470 --> 00:28:31.549 to be difficult i know that if i load up elden 00:28:31.549 --> 00:28:34.549 ring or bloodborne or fucking dark souls free 00:28:34.549 --> 00:28:37.009 or whatever that this game is meant to be hard 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:40.420 i'm meant to suffer to play this game if i'm 00:28:40.420 --> 00:28:45.140 paying a a monthly subscription to a game and 00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:48.359 it's massively multiplayer online but i can't 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.180 fucking progress because everything is killing 00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:52.839 me then what am i gonna do i'm gonna go this 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:54.259 ain't for me i'm not wasting my time on this 00:28:54.259 --> 00:28:58.519 see you later is how is how a lot of it is now 00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:03.259 everything's a rush okay yeah but so i don't 00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:06.809 know what ai has to do with that Don't put it 00:29:06.809 --> 00:29:08.470 into an MMO. Scaling difficulty is what I'm saying. 00:29:08.630 --> 00:29:12.589 Yeah, but not necessarily an MMO. What do you 00:29:12.589 --> 00:29:13.990 mean? I wasn't talking about MMOs when I was 00:29:13.990 --> 00:29:14.970 saying... Well, you're talking about games in 00:29:14.970 --> 00:29:16.990 general. Yeah, no, I know. So what you're saying 00:29:16.990 --> 00:29:18.950 is you don't think it'd be suitable in an MMO? 00:29:20.730 --> 00:29:25.029 I think scaling needs a better adjustment in... 00:29:25.029 --> 00:29:26.750 Oh my God, you answered that like a politician. 00:29:27.930 --> 00:29:29.750 That's not why I asked you, Mr. Langdon. I asked 00:29:29.750 --> 00:29:31.509 you if you think it's appropriate. Do you want 00:29:31.509 --> 00:29:35.799 it, yes or no? I think on better view... There's 00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:41.700 a possibility. So was that... Do you... Okay, 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:43.400 right. I'll rephrase the question, Mr. Langdon. 00:29:43.900 --> 00:29:48.240 Do you think there is a place for AI in MMO scaling? 00:29:48.579 --> 00:29:51.319 Or MMOs in general? When we talk about scaling, 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.000 we've done great things. You know what I mean? 00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.319 We obviously... Obviously, the old developer, 00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:58.819 it caused us a lot of problems. And I think we've 00:29:58.819 --> 00:30:00.660 dealt with the cards... I'm going to ask you 00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:04.809 one more time. Yep. And I mean it. Because I 00:30:04.809 --> 00:30:06.589 will get up and I will leave. Yeah, no, ask away. 00:30:08.869 --> 00:30:14.309 Ask away. Is that a yes or a no? Do you think? 00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:16.190 So no, in fact, no, I'm not even going to bother 00:30:16.190 --> 00:30:19.410 because you already said no. I've gleaned from 00:30:19.410 --> 00:30:21.650 your discourse that the answer is no. When we 00:30:21.650 --> 00:30:26.890 say no, let's explore that. No. Do I want AI 00:30:26.890 --> 00:30:30.349 in scaling for that? Probably not. No, because, 00:30:30.490 --> 00:30:33.089 yeah, well, yeah. Probably not. I want that. 00:30:33.450 --> 00:30:36.230 human interaction with something like a scaling 00:30:36.230 --> 00:30:41.650 difficulty in an online game in a in a single 00:30:41.650 --> 00:30:44.970 player game like Hogwarts Legacy probably yeah 00:30:44.970 --> 00:30:48.630 probably I'll tell you what alternatively rather 00:30:48.630 --> 00:30:51.269 than learning learning your you know patterns 00:30:51.269 --> 00:30:53.609 and making it harder for you personally even 00:30:53.609 --> 00:30:57.609 something like you know obviously that enemies 00:30:57.609 --> 00:30:59.529 have to respawn because otherwise the game gets 00:30:59.529 --> 00:31:02.500 too full yeah so it has to you know something 00:31:02.500 --> 00:31:05.339 like just moving it around a bit, just spice 00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:07.180 it up a bit, move it around. I don't want to 00:31:07.180 --> 00:31:10.619 know what's around the corner. So, you know, 00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:12.039 is that something that that would make easier 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:14.759 for developers to jazz it up a bit in the sense 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.759 that, you know, to the right -hand side of this 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:18.960 river, there's always going to be, you know, 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.940 if I kill this group of whoever, I'm going to 00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:24.619 come back round in half an hour's time and they're 00:31:24.619 --> 00:31:27.599 all going to be back. But they're not, because 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:29.940 now they've come back, but they've moved on the 00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:33.640 map. So it keeps that in the same way that in 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:35.279 real life it would be. You're not going to come 00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.559 around on your run and see the same pack of geese 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.359 at the same river every single half an hour. 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:46.000 Here's an area that you're invading and here 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:51.420 is every single possibility of an enemy being 00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:56.799 here. Make it completely random. Yeah. Make it 00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:58.960 completely round. So let's say we're in an area 00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:02.519 and there's 20 potential spawn locations for 00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:07.400 these enemies. Let's make that completely different 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.140 every single time they spawn. Yeah. Every single 00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:13.220 time. And it would make it more immersive, I 00:32:13.220 --> 00:32:15.460 think, as well. I would like that. Because what 00:32:15.460 --> 00:32:18.579 you could also do is subtly change their features, 00:32:18.700 --> 00:32:20.779 change their weapons. Yeah, split the packs. 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:22.660 So that it's not... Let's say you've got a pack 00:32:22.660 --> 00:32:28.259 of five, five mobs. Scatter them. Yeah. Or, let's 00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:31.539 say there's a random chance, or no, they've spawned 00:32:31.539 --> 00:32:33.779 again as a five pack, but no, this time they've 00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:35.759 spawned again as two, and now there's two over 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:37.140 there, but there's one there that wasn't there 00:32:37.140 --> 00:32:38.900 before, and now suddenly there's three, and there's 00:32:38.900 --> 00:32:41.779 two, yeah. Yeah, something like that, that diversifies 00:32:41.779 --> 00:32:43.740 it in that way. Yeah, I feel like you could, 00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:48.579 so let's say you've got five enemies, 20 different 00:32:48.579 --> 00:32:51.640 spawn points that they could spawn in, three 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:53.799 have fucking swords, two have crossbows. How 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:57.000 many apples does John have? But make it so that 00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.980 they can spawn anywhere in those 20, grouped 00:32:59.980 --> 00:33:03.059 or not grouped, and they can switch between their 00:33:03.059 --> 00:33:05.660 weapons. But also make it so that you wouldn't 00:33:05.660 --> 00:33:09.180 have five people with crossbows and five people 00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:12.539 with swords. Make it so there is always a variety. 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.759 Up close, far away, long range, whatever. If 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:17.200 you walk into it, you go, I can deal with these. 00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:18.720 There's two people with crossbows and two people 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:20.720 with swords. Nope. Now there's three people with 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.799 crossbows and two swords. Or there's four crossbows, 00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:25.480 one sword. Or they've got a fucking cannon. or 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.480 a sniper or something that just changes it up 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:32.740 in that way. But do you need AI to do that? For 00:33:32.740 --> 00:33:34.440 something like that, I don't think you would 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.140 need... Yeah, but did you need AI to tell you 00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:39.059 about a plant? Could you just Google it? In the 00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:44.119 sense of AI itself is essentially an improvement 00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.819 on what we already have. What you're saying there 00:33:46.819 --> 00:33:48.839 is, yeah, do we need it? No. But did we need 00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:50.859 it? Do you need it on your phone? No. Did you 00:33:50.859 --> 00:33:52.660 need it to tell you, you know, the thing now, 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.680 AI, write me a CV. Well, you could write a CV 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.920 yourself. Not fucking gonna, though. Exactly. 00:33:58.180 --> 00:34:03.700 And this is kind of that difficult thing. Company 00:34:03.700 --> 00:34:06.420 I work for, yeah. Most people will probably know, 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:10.699 but I won't air it. All the contracts have gone 00:34:10.699 --> 00:34:12.780 up for tender. Yeah, we should be finding out 00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:14.300 in the next couple of weeks who's won what, blah, 00:34:14.340 --> 00:34:16.199 blah, blah. Millions and millions of pounds, 00:34:16.340 --> 00:34:19.679 right? Stupid amount of money. Almost all the 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.059 tenders, and not just for this company, but most 00:34:22.059 --> 00:34:24.539 companies that are involved with the fucking 00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:27.699 writing the tenders have all used AI for them. 00:34:28.340 --> 00:34:31.920 All of them. And then filtered through and changed 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.920 it a little bit as they want. Rather than write 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.320 it themselves, they've all gone, we'll all use 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.139 AI for this. Fucking why not? Well, and it's 00:34:39.139 --> 00:34:40.780 like kind of what you're saying with No Man's 00:34:40.780 --> 00:34:42.400 Sky, you know, this business of generating planets. 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:44.840 Well, okay, but then what happens to all the 00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.280 people that previously that was their job? Well, 00:34:47.380 --> 00:34:50.320 this is what people get annoyed about. You know, 00:34:50.380 --> 00:34:53.179 saying something like Photoshop, those people 00:34:53.179 --> 00:34:55.639 that, well, I noticed it even when I set up the, 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:00.019 I was going to have a go at the photo editing 00:35:00.019 --> 00:35:02.179 and restoration. Restoration, yeah, yeah. Right 00:35:02.179 --> 00:35:05.039 at the point where it came in. And ultimately, 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.780 I can't do that for that. because people won't 00:35:07.780 --> 00:35:09.619 appreciate it and the better and better it gets 00:35:09.619 --> 00:35:11.940 the more and more obsolete all of the people 00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:14.860 who previously did that become I mean fuck me 00:35:14.860 --> 00:35:18.500 like you can just make me a Simpsons character 00:35:18.500 --> 00:35:22.320 and it's there yeah yeah yeah My phone, I can 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:26.519 pick any photo of you or any other person and 00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.059 it gives me, I can put them in a comic book, 00:35:29.260 --> 00:35:33.159 I can put them as a fucking black and white image, 00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.039 as a cartoon image, and it will do all of that. 00:35:36.219 --> 00:35:38.440 Even something like, I noticed when I was doing 00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.760 the wedding photos, previously, having noise 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:45.059 in an image, that's it. you can't really do that 00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:47.960 much because you sharpen it too much or you reduce 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:51.280 it and it goes too soft and it's very very hard 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:55.019 to to yeah that's what i found and they just 00:35:55.019 --> 00:36:00.039 ai d noise and it is actually decent like watching 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:03.199 that progress as we all have with with with loads 00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:05.400 of things with the ai and like yeah i know there's 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.460 some memes and stuff where you know it's like 00:36:07.460 --> 00:36:09.019 we've never seen the tiktok when it's like what 00:36:09.019 --> 00:36:11.309 happens next And it'll be a picture and it'll 00:36:11.309 --> 00:36:12.650 be like someone will get arrested or whatever 00:36:12.650 --> 00:36:14.449 or a cat turns around and it's got abs. Like 00:36:14.449 --> 00:36:18.730 things like that. But it's not like, you know 00:36:18.730 --> 00:36:20.789 what I mean? It's already beyond that. It's like 00:36:20.789 --> 00:36:22.690 AI looks at that and goes, oh shit, yeah, I can 00:36:22.690 --> 00:36:24.989 see that. Okay, right, fine. Humans only have 00:36:24.989 --> 00:36:27.369 four fingers and a thumb. Right, noted. You know, 00:36:27.369 --> 00:36:32.969 and it's, I just think gone so quickly. It's 00:36:32.969 --> 00:36:36.170 crazy. So, so fast. Because there are so many 00:36:36.170 --> 00:36:39.539 people that... see videos and shit and go yeah 00:36:39.539 --> 00:36:42.320 that's real you go no it fucking ain't this is 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:44.860 this is ai like what you what you are watching 00:36:44.860 --> 00:36:48.380 is is ai i just know that there's loads of videos 00:36:48.380 --> 00:36:50.440 i've seen on tiktok on instagram or whatever 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.440 where my nana would look at them and go oh my 00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.860 god there's aliens that have landed in fucking 00:36:54.860 --> 00:36:58.380 south end you go no it's some fucking 14 year 00:36:58.380 --> 00:37:01.460 old that's made a video using ai is what it is 00:37:01.460 --> 00:37:06.150 but like i think You almost don't know if it's 00:37:06.150 --> 00:37:07.889 reached the point where even you've been fooled. 00:37:08.110 --> 00:37:09.550 Because if it's something you've just looked 00:37:09.550 --> 00:37:10.889 at for a couple of seconds and then scrolled 00:37:10.889 --> 00:37:13.050 past, it could well have been. Yeah, I reckon 00:37:13.050 --> 00:37:14.650 there's stuff where I've probably seen it and 00:37:14.650 --> 00:37:17.530 gone, what the fuck is that? What is that? But 00:37:17.530 --> 00:37:20.489 I feel like from a trade point, gaming, photography, 00:37:20.989 --> 00:37:26.570 videography, media as a whole, I think it's quite 00:37:26.570 --> 00:37:30.429 dangerous for that. Because you're going to... 00:37:30.429 --> 00:37:34.159 Tattoos, for example. Part of the process of 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:38.260 getting tattoos is getting tattooed by the person, 00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:41.619 by the artist and the craftsmanship that's gone 00:37:41.619 --> 00:37:44.460 on to it and the years of dedication for that 00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:48.480 person to get to that stage. Connor, for example, 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:54.860 who does my tattoos at Good Ship 13. Connor Tattoos. 00:37:54.900 --> 00:37:59.179 There's a little plug. Incredible artist. Absolutely 00:37:59.179 --> 00:38:02.440 incredible. And does some seriously fucking cool 00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:09.539 work. And is so talented. But it's part of the 00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:14.460 process of getting a tattoo. You're getting a 00:38:14.460 --> 00:38:18.559 product from someone permanently. Who is a craftsmanship. 00:38:18.820 --> 00:38:22.079 Who has honed their skills. But you can bet your 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.860 ass. If there was a fucking 3D printer style 00:38:24.860 --> 00:38:28.619 thing. That was ran by AI to get tattoos. A lot 00:38:28.619 --> 00:38:31.090 of cunts are going over there. rather than going 00:38:31.090 --> 00:38:33.269 around with an artist and going through all the 00:38:33.269 --> 00:38:35.949 manual side of things. And I feel like that happens 00:38:35.949 --> 00:38:39.289 in... That is happening in almost everything. 00:38:39.929 --> 00:38:45.489 Cars, phones, photos, tech, TVs. If the fucking 00:38:45.489 --> 00:38:47.289 kitchen could cook dinner for you, you'd let 00:38:47.289 --> 00:38:50.829 it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that's 00:38:50.829 --> 00:38:55.469 where it becomes a... That's where it's the argument 00:38:55.469 --> 00:38:58.000 of... Is it making us lazy or is it giving us 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.519 the ability to not focus on the fucking mundane 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:03.420 and do the other shit that we need to do? And 00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:05.360 before you know it, you're in like WALL -E where 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:06.719 we've killed the planet and we're just getting 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.139 carried around on those little chairs. Yeah, 00:39:08.139 --> 00:39:09.380 because we're just not fucking doing anything. 00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:11.940 And yet, if I pitched you... Say, for example, 00:39:11.940 --> 00:39:13.920 the air fryer. You could put something in it 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:15.519 and the air fryer would just know what it is 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:16.980 and how to cook it perfectly. You're telling 00:39:16.980 --> 00:39:18.500 me you wouldn't go for that? Yeah, but the air 00:39:18.500 --> 00:39:20.000 fryer... You'd love it, mate. You'd be all over 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:21.340 it. Yeah, but the air fryer... I'd go, I'm going 00:39:21.340 --> 00:39:22.860 to cook, Rich. And you're like, wait, stick it 00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:24.340 in the air fryer. Yeah, but the air fryer is 00:39:24.340 --> 00:39:25.860 like that anyway because everyone knows that 00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:27.760 the main rule of an air fryer is everything takes 00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.099 20 minutes on max crisp. Yeah. Everything. How 00:39:31.099 --> 00:39:32.760 long do the chips take? Oh, these say they take 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:35.199 16 minutes and the chicken nuggets take 24. No, 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.960 20 minutes. Max. Bang. And I've never burnt something 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:41.760 either. No. Open them, shake them, pop them back 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.139 in. Everyone does that. Yeah. We must be the 00:39:45.139 --> 00:39:46.599 only household in the world that doesn't just 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:50.840 put the oven on fucking full. Bang. Full. There 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:53.500 you go. And yet, I feel like we've hardly used 00:39:53.500 --> 00:39:55.920 air fryer so far. We have hardly used the air 00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:59.739 fryer. Because it's just a cunt to clean. I can't 00:39:59.739 --> 00:40:02.159 be arsed. If we were scummy, we just wouldn't 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:04.019 clean the thing. You know what? Bugger me. I 00:40:04.019 --> 00:40:05.960 was in Costco the other day. They've got a new 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.840 one of that with a little thing. Self cleaner. 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.500 No. Trust me, mate. If it was, it would have 00:40:12.500 --> 00:40:14.440 been straight in the basket. But no, it's got 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:17.440 like this little wire thing on the front that's 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:20.539 like this auto temp thing. I didn't hang about 00:40:20.539 --> 00:40:22.320 long enough to see. It was a lovely colour. It 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.059 changes the temp. Fucking lovely colour. It was 00:40:24.059 --> 00:40:26.820 like a caramel colour. It was exactly looked 00:40:26.820 --> 00:40:29.679 like ours, but it had this thing in the middle 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.039 that was on this little string and it was some 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:35.900 sort of else, you know, this other way of knowing 00:40:35.900 --> 00:40:39.260 that your food's ready or whatever. So... Verdict 00:40:39.260 --> 00:40:42.659 from an AI point of view, stand or against? In 00:40:42.659 --> 00:40:45.460 what? Cooking? In and overall. Oh, God. Would 00:40:45.460 --> 00:40:49.360 you prefer a world if I could give you a red 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:53.340 pill or a blue pill where... ai does exist or 00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:55.940 ai just doesn't isn't a thing that that happens 00:40:55.940 --> 00:41:01.739 i don't know that it's i'd leave it that's you 00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:03.780 getting taken out when they take over yeah probably 00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:05.880 i've just heard you say that i'd leave it because 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:09.400 i feel like we can advance as a as as a people 00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.420 as as gaming as whatever with without it it's 00:41:13.420 --> 00:41:16.119 so hard i think i don't think it's that black 00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:18.159 and white because i think there's so many ways 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:21.480 where it is very very clever and i think there's 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.280 a lot of also you know the way that it's been 00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:27.039 portrayed in films a bit like final destination 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.300 and you know no one who who's seen those films 00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:33.440 gets back in a sunbed no one you know we're built 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:37.039 to it's been such a trope and such like a futuristic 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:41.289 thing that's easy to because it you know let's 00:41:41.289 --> 00:41:43.889 go back i don't know 20 years it was something 00:41:43.889 --> 00:41:48.030 that there was no limit to what you could portray 00:41:48.030 --> 00:41:50.789 it to be because it didn't exist you know what 00:41:50.789 --> 00:41:52.989 i mean yeah yeah yeah and so but then you know 00:41:52.989 --> 00:41:55.449 when you when you apply it the way that it has 00:41:55.449 --> 00:41:58.789 been applied and it's you know things like being 00:41:58.789 --> 00:42:01.750 able to fucking look in your dna and know exactly 00:42:01.750 --> 00:42:05.869 what kind of medical treatment you need or an 00:42:05.869 --> 00:42:09.260 exact copy of your own hand So that you can have 00:42:09.260 --> 00:42:11.440 your hand back. And things like that. That are 00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.780 being worked on. And genuinely sort of explored. 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.860 That's something where. How you could sit there 00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:19.340 and say. Nah. Scrap it. It's crazy when you go. 00:42:19.380 --> 00:42:21.139 All through school. Where people go. You won't 00:42:21.139 --> 00:42:24.039 have a calculator. To help you with everything. 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:26.920 Blah, blah, blah. And you go. No. I'll have something 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:29.320 in my pocket. That can do everything for me. 00:42:29.739 --> 00:42:34.539 Academically. It's got the entire. Entire internet. 00:42:34.699 --> 00:42:37.380 At it's fucking fingertips. Yeah. And picks it 00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:40.780 out. Like. Like when I asked Snapchat AI to do 00:42:40.780 --> 00:42:44.960 me a cover letter. I think it was for you when 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:48.159 you was applying for that job. I didn't use it. 00:42:48.340 --> 00:42:52.260 No, but you very easily could go, boop, there 00:42:52.260 --> 00:42:57.559 you go. Sweet. I wrote my own one. Didn't get 00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:03.380 it. Would you have got it with AI? But I still 00:43:03.380 --> 00:43:07.349 felt that I wanted to do that. Did you see the 00:43:07.349 --> 00:43:08.789 thing going around and the guy, he's holding 00:43:08.789 --> 00:43:11.809 up his laptop and it's how he used AI to get 00:43:11.809 --> 00:43:15.590 him his diploma, degree or whatever it was. I 00:43:15.590 --> 00:43:18.050 don't know, I suppose it's just... I'll call 00:43:18.050 --> 00:43:22.150 it now. It'll go full circle. Your AI will be 00:43:22.150 --> 00:43:25.909 so heavily integrated into everything that things 00:43:25.909 --> 00:43:32.360 like hand edited. self -edited and fucking handwritten 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.239 and things like that will become the novelty 00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:37.719 yeah well yeah like vinyl exactly like that yeah 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.119 but then but do you not think as well it happens 00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:43.260 without you even realizing like it was when we 00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:45.179 were moving and i realized i have nothing that 00:43:45.179 --> 00:43:49.300 can actually play a cd anymore playstation no 00:43:49.300 --> 00:43:52.860 but as in imagine that as an answer can it can 00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:55.579 it yeah but imagine that as an answer right now 00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.179 What have we got that can play a CD? Oh, the 00:43:58.179 --> 00:44:00.480 PS5. I thought we found it and it couldn't play 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.980 DVDs. We couldn't watch a DVD in it. Let me ask 00:44:03.980 --> 00:44:06.480 AI. I swear there was something and it couldn't. 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:12.960 Let me ask. Sorry, I had to fucking agree. Can 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:19.820 a PlayStation 5 play CDs? Just checking. No. 00:44:20.250 --> 00:44:23.050 A PlayStation 5 cannot play audio CDs. What do 00:44:23.050 --> 00:44:25.429 you mean? A PS5 with a disc drive can play Ultra 00:44:25.429 --> 00:44:28.730 HD Blu -ray discs, standard Blu -ray discs and 00:44:28.730 --> 00:44:32.570 DVDs. It does not support audio CDs. This is 00:44:32.570 --> 00:44:35.289 a change from earlier PlayStation consoles, like 00:44:35.289 --> 00:44:39.070 the PS1, PS2 and PS3, which could play CDs. Okay, 00:44:39.170 --> 00:44:41.530 so it stopped at the PS3. Yeah, because I think 00:44:41.530 --> 00:44:42.929 it's that little... Remember when you'd open 00:44:42.929 --> 00:44:44.889 a CD player and it'd be like, do not touch, and 00:44:44.889 --> 00:44:48.090 it was that little shiny little thingy? I think 00:44:48.090 --> 00:44:49.309 it might be something to do with that, the way 00:44:49.309 --> 00:44:52.550 that it reads it. But yeah, but see what I mean? 00:44:52.929 --> 00:44:56.530 We've got nothing to play a CD. But it's so non 00:44:56.530 --> 00:45:00.650 -consequential, and yet, before you know it, 00:45:00.670 --> 00:45:02.190 you know how they say with streaming services, 00:45:02.349 --> 00:45:06.610 that again, you've gone from, oh my God, it's 00:45:06.610 --> 00:45:08.190 so much cheaper to stream, because if I just 00:45:08.190 --> 00:45:10.480 do this, and I can... you know whatever whereas 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:12.079 now oh no sorry you can't watch that it's on 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:14.159 discovery plus oh sorry that's on paramount plus 00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:16.239 oh yep and actually this one's on prime video 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:18.719 we need a unification and you know we want to 00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:20.440 know what the unification for all those streams 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:24.280 fucking skybox like we had in 2007 no cracked 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:27.420 fire that's what the unification of that baby 00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:30.320 is fuck that it's annoying isn't it and then 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:33.780 and then you buy all those subscriptions Ads. 00:45:33.940 --> 00:45:35.840 You want to get rid of adverts, girl? Yeah. Two 00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.139 quid. Exactly. Give us another two quid on top 00:45:38.139 --> 00:45:39.559 of the seven that you're already paying us. It 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.880 was like me teaching the youth. No, babe. YouTube, 00:45:42.139 --> 00:45:44.900 it just used to have no ads. Yeah, no ads. That 00:45:44.900 --> 00:45:47.340 existed. That was a thing. And they get you in 00:45:47.340 --> 00:45:49.940 the bollocks because YouTube Premium is fantastic. 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:52.519 Oh, I love it. But YouTube, that just used to 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.480 be YouTube. I know, I know. And then it's even 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:56.219 sliding. It gives you a little counter and it 00:45:56.219 --> 00:45:58.619 goes, here's how many hours you've watched ad 00:45:58.619 --> 00:46:01.559 -free. It should be free anyway, you fucker. 00:46:01.579 --> 00:46:03.719 I remember the day that you could no longer, 00:46:03.780 --> 00:46:05.699 like I used to play YouTube and then lock my 00:46:05.699 --> 00:46:08.179 iPod. And then the day that it stopped working, 00:46:08.300 --> 00:46:10.260 it stopped playing. And I thought, oh, something's 00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:12.380 gone wrong here. And then it was like, nah, SARS 00:46:12.380 --> 00:46:13.880 can't do that anymore. And it was because they 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:15.239 were making, hatching their little, cooking their 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:16.539 little plans. Yeah, it's because they're little 00:46:16.539 --> 00:46:18.139 fuckers. Of YouTube premium. They go, oh, you 00:46:18.139 --> 00:46:20.400 remember when, you remember when, you remember 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.119 when Amazon Prime used to be $7 .99 a month? 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:25.260 Yeah, we're now raising those prices. And you 00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:28.210 go, fucking hell, all right. No worries. I'll 00:46:28.210 --> 00:46:30.070 suffer the extra two quid on top of that. That's 00:46:30.070 --> 00:46:31.769 fine. At least I've still got my streaming service 00:46:31.769 --> 00:46:34.269 for all these cool programs and shit. And then 00:46:34.269 --> 00:46:37.409 when you put one on, you go adverts. And then 00:46:37.409 --> 00:46:39.730 at the bottom right -hand corner, it goes, add 00:46:39.730 --> 00:46:43.389 three for another quid. Just another quid. It's 00:46:43.389 --> 00:46:45.349 two quid though, isn't it? I know. Now it's two 00:46:45.349 --> 00:46:47.809 quid. Never used to be. I'm pretty sure it started 00:46:47.809 --> 00:46:49.570 off as... It went up to £8 .99. Or maybe it was 00:46:49.570 --> 00:46:52.030 £8 .99. I can't remember. And you go, what do 00:46:52.030 --> 00:46:55.059 you mean? So you raise the prices. There was 00:46:55.059 --> 00:46:57.000 never ads. That was the whole quip of it. No 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.719 ads. Then you raise the prices, which I still 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:02.699 have to pay, and now you're going to bump on 00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:04.519 another little add -on if you want to get rid 00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.159 of ads. You go, what is this? And then when you're 00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.059 watching like a two -hour movie and it fucking 00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:12.099 flicks one right in the middle. Boop. But they're 00:47:12.099 --> 00:47:13.840 not even long enough to make a cup of tea. So 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:15.900 what's the fucking point? I would love to know, 00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:18.940 and it's probably Google -able, how do they know 00:47:18.940 --> 00:47:21.199 where the tense bit is? Because there ain't someone 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.219 sitting watching going, yeah, put it there. No, 00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:25.679 there probably fucking is. Or is that AI? I don't 00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:27.179 know. Do they look and say, like, this is the 00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:30.500 most watched bit? It's bollocks. I don't know, 00:47:30.579 --> 00:47:33.420 man. It's absolute bollocks. Yeah. But like I 00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:36.300 just said, make it long enough so that I can 00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:38.860 do something. So what was the Nintendo announcement 00:47:38.860 --> 00:47:41.679 you were talking about? Regarding AI. Didn't 00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:43.420 you say to me earlier? Oh, it was just the CEO 00:47:43.420 --> 00:47:47.619 was saying in a passing comment that they reckon 00:47:47.619 --> 00:47:52.000 that AI is needed within gaming. Needed? Needed 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.900 within gaming. It was one of those weird sort 00:47:54.900 --> 00:47:59.719 of things. Where was it? I'm going to fucking 00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.179 struggle to find it now. Oh, I thought you saved 00:48:02.179 --> 00:48:04.780 it to talk about. I thought I did. Apparently 00:48:04.780 --> 00:48:07.420 I didn't. Let me have a real quick scrolly -rolly 00:48:07.420 --> 00:48:10.050 and see if anything comes up. Chances are my 00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:12.030 dumb arse has long lost it. You need to put lift 00:48:12.030 --> 00:48:13.510 music here when you're looking for something. 00:48:14.329 --> 00:48:17.469 Sorry, it was the Smash Bros director. Oh, right. 00:48:18.590 --> 00:48:21.289 Thinks the game industry may need AI. The director 00:48:21.289 --> 00:48:26.750 of Super Smash Bros franchise, Masahiro Sakurai. 00:48:29.170 --> 00:48:31.050 thinks the game development industry may have 00:48:31.050 --> 00:48:33.110 to rely on AI in the future if it keeps going 00:48:33.110 --> 00:48:35.389 in the direction it has been. Many options have 00:48:35.389 --> 00:48:37.789 been voiced on the use of AI in video game development 00:48:37.789 --> 00:48:40.489 and the Super Smash Bros director has his own 00:48:40.489 --> 00:48:43.340 stance on the matter. Recently, game development 00:48:43.340 --> 00:48:46.440 news has been peppered with stories of mass game 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.400 industry layoffs, cancelled games and plenty 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.619 of delays to ensure that games are as bug free 00:48:50.619 --> 00:48:52.480 as possible or at the very least are actually 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:55.800 playable on arrival. These issues have arrived 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.059 alongside the increasing price of video games 00:48:58.059 --> 00:49:00.519 leading to disappointment in the industry from 00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:05.000 both its customers and its workers. Mind's Eye, 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.559 prime example there like I was telling you, the 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:11.130 GTA killer that lasted 24 hours. Now, Sakurai 00:49:11.130 --> 00:49:13.349 has offered his own thoughts on the game industry 00:49:13.349 --> 00:49:15.769 as a whole, and he seems worried about the future 00:49:15.769 --> 00:49:18.349 of AAA large -scale game development. In an interview 00:49:18.349 --> 00:49:21.610 with Yahoo Japan, Sakurai talked about the gaming 00:49:21.610 --> 00:49:23.889 industry's current direction. Where can I get 00:49:23.889 --> 00:49:27.429 to the fucking... Hold point. He feels it can't 00:49:27.429 --> 00:49:30.050 continue like this and one of the only solutions 00:49:30.050 --> 00:49:32.489 he can think of at the moment is generative AI 00:49:32.489 --> 00:49:35.610 to increase work efficiency. He feels we are 00:49:35.610 --> 00:49:37.449 reaching a point where we have to change our 00:49:37.449 --> 00:49:39.409 scheme to making games and there will become 00:49:39.409 --> 00:49:42.650 an era in which only companies that can successfully 00:49:42.650 --> 00:49:46.789 adapt to these changes will survive. Is what 00:49:46.789 --> 00:49:50.469 he's saying. Yeah, so basically where there's 00:49:50.469 --> 00:49:54.639 so much pressure around games releasing. And 00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:58.639 releasing properly that AI. Which will either 00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.079 be absolutely terrible or quite a good thing. 00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:02.960 So he's sort of coming at it at the point of 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:05.599 production rather than integration with the actual 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:07.619 game. Help me with the bugs. It will be fucking 00:50:07.619 --> 00:50:12.599 literally invented by AI. Within reason. Elements 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:17.480 of it will be. To run through this. Yeah. And 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:22.059 yet you've kind of. proven how that can work 00:50:22.059 --> 00:50:24.139 successfully because of the way that how you're 00:50:24.139 --> 00:50:27.420 using it now you know in your life with it helping 00:50:27.420 --> 00:50:30.260 you solve a problem or it's it's allowing you 00:50:30.260 --> 00:50:32.480 to do something quicker thus saving you time 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.159 yeah then in that instance it's kind of not so 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.719 scary it's just whether you know would i feel 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:39.980 that way if i was a dev probably not probably 00:50:39.980 --> 00:50:42.860 a little bit more nervous yeah if it was my job 00:50:42.860 --> 00:50:47.110 um If I was a bug tester. Like, for example, 00:50:47.429 --> 00:50:52.010 apply it to your job. If AI went and had a look 00:50:52.010 --> 00:50:54.130 at the fault, used the security cameras and looked 00:50:54.130 --> 00:50:55.530 at the fault for you, then you don't need to 00:50:55.530 --> 00:50:57.489 go to that fault and have a look and go, yeah, 00:50:57.489 --> 00:50:59.590 I can do that. No, I can't do that. Oh, I'd love 00:50:59.590 --> 00:51:01.590 it. Yeah, but would you? Yeah, but then what 00:51:01.590 --> 00:51:03.150 if they go, oh, we don't actually need you on 00:51:03.150 --> 00:51:05.110 Friday, so we're just going to pay you four days 00:51:05.110 --> 00:51:06.670 a week now because on Friday's fault day and 00:51:06.670 --> 00:51:08.690 that's AI day. Yeah, but computers aren't taking 00:51:08.690 --> 00:51:11.389 over my job. I'm in one of those industries. 00:51:11.769 --> 00:51:13.989 Veg is always growing. People are always shitting. 00:51:14.329 --> 00:51:16.389 Neither of those things are going anywhere. So 00:51:16.389 --> 00:51:19.570 I'm kushti. I'm not dealing with people's poo, 00:51:19.650 --> 00:51:20.969 by the way. I'm dealing with the vegetables. 00:51:21.329 --> 00:51:24.329 That's until, you know, AI strimmer. We've always 00:51:24.329 --> 00:51:26.989 said this, though. Just let it go. Where there's 00:51:26.989 --> 00:51:32.530 so many remote -controlled vegetation annihilation 00:51:32.530 --> 00:51:36.030 things, right? Vegetation annihilation. Welcome 00:51:36.030 --> 00:51:41.250 to the stage. Vegetation annihilation. it's not 00:51:41.250 --> 00:51:44.710 practical in the industry that we work on especially 00:51:44.710 --> 00:51:47.250 the areas that we work in where you go you ain't 00:51:47.250 --> 00:51:49.630 getting a robot down there you can barely get 00:51:49.630 --> 00:51:52.090 a fucking 16 stone geyser down there until they 00:51:52.090 --> 00:51:54.250 start bolting it onto the sides of trains and 00:51:54.250 --> 00:51:56.489 when the train detects fucking leaves it sends 00:51:56.489 --> 00:51:59.010 out someone in telling you it won't happen thingy 00:51:59.010 --> 00:52:01.510 hours won't happen the infrastructure is far 00:52:01.510 --> 00:52:05.599 too large for it to and too intertwined Steph, 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.199 I've been in some of these buildings and seen 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:10.619 some things that are still stuck in the 1950s. 00:52:10.619 --> 00:52:13.219 I remember reading at uni, it actually went into 00:52:13.219 --> 00:52:15.260 my dissertation, a guy talking about, and it 00:52:15.260 --> 00:52:17.599 was nuts, the way he's talking about it was how 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:19.159 you're talking about it now, and he was talking 00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:21.920 about being able to text a photograph. And it 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.659 was literally like some far away thing. I got 00:52:25.659 --> 00:52:29.420 a text message from Vodafone, because obviously 00:52:29.420 --> 00:52:32.980 we roll with them, but not them. You shouldn't 00:52:32.980 --> 00:52:36.239 be getting texts from Vodafone, mate. Yeah. No, 00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.780 it shouldn't. They should all be from Foxy. I've 00:52:38.780 --> 00:52:40.440 never had a text from Vodafone since I left them. 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:42.860 Oh, it might possibly be a scam then. He said 00:52:42.860 --> 00:52:45.300 he's a very nice man and he's got a lot of money. 00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.659 What is it? Because it was a text message. It 00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:52.900 must be. What was it? No, it's from Vodafone. 00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:56.619 Click this link. No, it's from Vodafone. It says 00:52:56.619 --> 00:53:00.599 it looks like you've swapped your SIM. It was 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:03.130 when I did an update. on my phone and that's 00:53:03.130 --> 00:53:05.789 why and basically it was saying that my settings 00:53:05.789 --> 00:53:08.210 are incorrect and i'll lose the ability to send 00:53:08.210 --> 00:53:11.389 picture messages i haven't sent a picture message 00:53:11.389 --> 00:53:15.170 outside of whatsapp and who gives a fuck mms 00:53:15.170 --> 00:53:17.650 as they were known take away the text messages 00:53:17.650 --> 00:53:19.849 i don't give a fuck they sent me that about three 00:53:19.849 --> 00:53:22.710 times yeah no link or anything it just said to 00:53:22.710 --> 00:53:26.170 change the settings to to re -allow it no i don't 00:53:26.170 --> 00:53:29.179 care but But nevertheless, that concept used 00:53:29.179 --> 00:53:32.519 to be so incredibly far -fetched and foreign 00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:36.739 and expensive and hard. It was like, you know... 00:53:36.739 --> 00:53:39.699 God, I can't remember. £1 .50 to send a text 00:53:39.699 --> 00:53:41.260 message, to send a picture message. But yeah, 00:53:41.260 --> 00:53:44.139 because the infrastructure wasn't there. Most 00:53:44.139 --> 00:53:46.119 people fucking now won't remember that you used 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:48.300 to have to pay for the individual text. Per fucking 00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:50.440 text, man. Per minute. I've run out of credit. 00:53:51.099 --> 00:53:52.940 Imagine sexting and you've run out of credit. 00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:55.909 Yeah. Fuming. But... And then, you know, you 00:53:55.909 --> 00:53:57.349 go back further than that and then the concept 00:53:57.349 --> 00:54:00.050 of a portable phone was far -fetched and unimaginable. 00:54:00.190 --> 00:54:02.769 Like, I think we're just at that point now where 00:54:02.769 --> 00:54:05.190 you're... It's all just spinning around. Yeah. 00:54:05.389 --> 00:54:07.510 But, you know, there are people like, genuinely, 00:54:07.590 --> 00:54:10.130 if I could find this piece of writing, it was 00:54:10.130 --> 00:54:15.190 crazy. Crazy to read it now. Final verdict. I 00:54:15.190 --> 00:54:20.769 want a simple yes or no. AI yes or no. Oh, no. 00:54:20.909 --> 00:54:22.949 Simple please, Miss Edwards. Just within gaming? 00:54:23.269 --> 00:54:27.019 Within gaming. Production or implementation into 00:54:27.019 --> 00:54:30.860 the actual game? Both. What? One answer for both? 00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:34.659 Okay. Production? No. No. Only because I feel 00:54:34.659 --> 00:54:38.219 for the workers. Yeah. No. Implementation into 00:54:38.219 --> 00:54:41.699 the game? Yes. I'm going to go yes. For the planet? 00:54:41.780 --> 00:54:45.179 No. For the planet? No. Yeah. Okay. For the better 00:54:45.179 --> 00:54:48.719 man? Maybe. Right. If it didn't, you know, kill 00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:50.980 all the forests. Thus concludes this episode. 00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:54.510 We're going to go and do the... patron episode 00:54:54.510 --> 00:54:57.610 if you didn't know we do a patron it's uh patreon 00:54:57.610 --> 00:54:59.829 .com forward slash what's the buttons and you 00:54:59.829 --> 00:55:03.570 get to um experience the cool background the 00:55:03.570 --> 00:55:06.230 new you know not new well it's new if you're 00:55:06.230 --> 00:55:08.690 new the jedi club you forget that bit of the 00:55:08.690 --> 00:55:10.750 jedi club it's called the jedi club the logo 00:55:10.750 --> 00:55:14.110 is slightly different what it is is um exclusive 00:55:14.110 --> 00:55:18.389 content i .e an extra 30 to however long minutes 00:55:18.389 --> 00:55:21.710 a week of us talking more shit about different 00:55:21.710 --> 00:55:24.739 stuff but still shit yeah But all hand generated. 00:55:25.460 --> 00:55:28.519 Human generated. Human generated and for a couple 00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:30.739 of quid a month. And if you don't want adverts, 00:55:30.739 --> 00:55:33.559 another £2 a month on there. There are no adverts. 00:55:33.579 --> 00:55:35.159 That's not true. There are no adverts. I think 00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:38.900 it's like £4 .50 a month or £5 a month. Yeah. 00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.159 Which is not even a quid an episode, is it? Or 00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.059 is it one thing? Not even a fucking meal deal 00:55:43.059 --> 00:55:45.260 anymore is what it isn't. Not even a fucking 00:55:45.260 --> 00:55:47.719 meal deal. That ain't worth a packet of crisps, 00:55:47.739 --> 00:55:52.739 drink and a sarnie. Yeah. See you later. Hooroo. 00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:53.260 Hooroo.