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Hey bin, what's it been couple weeks? It's been a couple of weeks
Weeks here for a good time not a long time
I'm interested with what sort of gaming shit you got going on at the moment. Have I got some stories for you?
It's story time
Finally played the semi-final. Ah
This is great. This is gonna be a good one
So I had a shift that I had to do where we don't really do a lot. Mm-hmm
So I took that in and the geezer has been on at me for ages about playing it as well
But I I haven't played it in so long and then obviously there was like five games
I had to play before I even reached the the semis
the first leg anyway
Anyways on at me blah blah blah. So because he's never seen football manager. So he wanted to see how it works
So like two free games is getting well into it. He's
Telling me to do this that so I just said look you're my assistant manager now
You are now my assistant manager you can make some calls to so the game before
The semi-final he told me to rotate the whole squad
Which I did so I rotate the whole team. So everyone was fresh for the semi-final
And
That worked, okay, I think we nicked a draw at second in the league. I think it was a good result
But yeah, lo and behold the semi-final comes around. I'm gonna go quick because this is fucking a lot so much talk about. Hmm
And yeah sat there played the played the tune
The
Walking out all exciting and shit and then yeah, we lost the first leg
Quite miserably. I think it was I think it was 2-0. I think we lost
Who are you and you're not Antwerp yeah, you are Antwerp. Yeah
I can't remember who's playing
Fiorentina we was playing
And yeah, so we had worked doing the second leg
Scored straight away in the second leg to one
We lost free one
So yeah, this is yeah, you know, I swear guys as a as any
Self-respecting manager did I blamed it all on my assistant
So it's your fault
Take some solace in the fact that front end and then lost in the final
So I was that you out off that leg. Yes, that's just you done
Yeah, we're knocked out
Fair legs are gone. Yeah, we're knocked out of
Right, believe but the fact that we reached seven finals was fucking impressive to be honest
I then went to the board immediately after result and said I want my badges
I was about to say what's going on with the badges. They once again said no cuz we don't want you to get poached
I said fuck off said here's my resignation. I said are you sure I said yes, and then I went cheerio
So I left are you gone?
Now I'm looking at moving to the MLS the MLS
Yeah to America. Yeah, you want to play LA Galaxy or fucking Miami?
No, I don't but I've got an offer from I think it was like Minnesota or saying and then I looked at their
Their stats and stuff and it says they're rich so I'm used to it pulling clubs out of debt
So yeah, but I couldn't make a decision
So what I did was I turned it off and didn't turn it on again. So that's the end. Is that the end?
That's the end of football manager for now for now. Yeah
a quick a quick recap story is what that is that this is the position that we're in so
No, English clubs wanted you I
Thought you expressed interest to West Ham before is what you did. I said I would manage them
There's plenty of clubs that I was looking at but just not at their level apparently
There was a couple of clubs. I think a couple of German clubs
I can't remember but there was I remember there was a couple of jobs that were
Being offered to me and I couldn't make a decision. Do I go with a rich club or do I go with a prestigious club? Mm-hmm
And yeah, I'm not really too interested in managing in the MLS. I'll be honest with you because I think it's weird out there
I think they do like drafts and shit. It's weird. Yeah. Yeah. I know it's a different league run
Yeah, so I don't I think I'd probably just stick to what I know
German League or English League or saying but yeah, I'd happily take a championship job, but I'm not I'm refusing to go low
I just took Antwerp to a semi-final of the European competition
So well, you wouldn't entertain the idea of going lower to
You know why you know why I query it is because I've just finished welcome to Wrexham and
That's free set. Have you seen that? That is fucking fantastic
It's on Disney Plus. That has to be one of the most interesting. I
I suppose it is a documentary that I've I've ever watched and it is continuing and it's very much made me interested in
Wrexham as a team because now I feel connected to them as I'm sure
Most people who've watched the deck they'll watched the documentary that don't already follow a football side
Will have that full process as well. If you like that one, you should watch slightly actual ones like proper clubs
Well, this is a proper club. Don't fucking talk shit about my Wrexham. This is a proper club. I know but they're kind of cheating
I'm not they're not cheating. They are no no, this is what fucking Notts County was saying you're talking bollocks
Oh, he's got him for their rivals
No, no, no, no, no, no because people were whinging about that saying that they've just they've
got a lot of money now because of Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney and
Whilst that is true. Mm-hmm. A lot of people also saying if that was my club, that's what I would be wanting
Yeah, but then it's not if it's not your club. I know I just it I love Wrexham
I love Ryan Reynolds more precisely. So whatever he does, I'm just like yeah do it great, but they are cheating
they're not cheating but they are they've got a massively unfair advantage and
They put they pulled a lot of people down from like League one down to more than that social
They're like social media club. They got Ben Foster. Yeah, yeah the season or whatever
Like you don't pull a Premier League goalkeeper. Well, and then they they got a quanko who is the under 21s
Arsenal keeper or was it the under 21s? I think he was just on reserve for Arsenal and I think he signed with them now
Yeah, I mean, that's very not really unheard of like a lot of clubs do that a lot of players drop down the leagues
We've had West Ham with those players that have dropped down
League one League two and stuff, but it's just it's just what they can attract is
Unfair on other clubs. I think when you when you watch the series the first season
when they basically they are in the national and then they miss out on promotion by
like one point and
Then they get promoted the next season round and I think it's after they get promoted is when you start seeing players
Showing interest because they know it will build themselves for for their own career as opposed to building the club up
But they've got a decent squad. They're also on fucking on track to go up with a championship as well
Which is back to back to back. Yeah, well, it's not crazy. It's not surprising because they can attract all these players
They don't even need to pay the wages because they can attract the players. They get spotlight on them. They're getting good quality players and
you got
Like for example, Wrexham are on TV a fair bit. Mm-hmm
They would never have been on TV prior to this so they get a lot more revenue coming in as opposed to all the other
League one League two clubs and stuff like that. So it's it's when you watch it. You see that they
They genuinely care about the town
I know that yeah, the amount of money. Is it all there on a joke?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because someone just tweeted him saying buy Wrexham or something for a laugh
And then like a year later or something he went, okay
Yes, because Rob was showing interest in buying a football club and then one of his mates who's a comedian
It's really terrible. I've only just seen finish watching it and I can't remember the guy's name, but he's like their executive
blah blah blah blah blah
And he told Rob basically he looked through a list of available clubs and Wrexham was one of them
And then Rob went to Ryan and said fucking do you want to buy this club?
And I think it was originally a joke and then they ended up buying the fucking thing
but they go through all the nitty-gritty of it and then go through the maths of
From a monetary point of it was like right. We've spent this much money with this much in debt
If we don't get promotion, this is how much further we're gonna be in there will be fucked
And then they go on to explain that whilst yes, they've got Hollywood money
That's nothing compared to fucking football money when you start moving up. It's not just that you've got financial fairbred
Place so you need to bring in enough to warrant the spend otherwise you're gonna get points deductions and share. Yeah, but the
What you want to do now is go and watch as I say proper big football clubs. This is
Excuse me. You got man City your man City one
You got Tottenham one your leads one. Is there a Newcastle one? Yes, a Newcastle one and there's a Sunderland one and
They're all very interesting because you get to see the inner world of the club
You see the inner workings of the clubs. Obviously you're gonna get to see what they want you to see rara
But when it comes down to things like transfer deadline day
You just see the fucking madness
There is and the fact that they're genuinely is like minutes to go when these deals are still being done and stuff like that
And you get it's just very interesting, especially as a proper football fan
You get to see the inning workings, which you you know, you're not privy to
Yeah, there's a lot of shit going on in the background that you just would not fucking have any idea of and it humanizes the footballers
As well because it makes you actually think oh god. Yeah, he's just a normal geezer. Well, yeah, yeah, they're not seen like that
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, especially like a like a Premier League level. They're just celebrities
Exactly as opposed to just so when you see them at their homes and saying bye to their families and then getting in their cars and
Very nice cars and driving off you like oh, yeah, they are human
Yeah, they're not robots
So that's your football manager then? Yeah, it's done for the minute. Yeah, he's definitely done for a minute
Well, I've been on a journey
I've been on a journey. I
I'm just getting upset because I
want
it's mainly your fault and
Spoken to you for like two fucking weeks your fault and Gibbs's fault work
Yeah, Gibbs just loves lost not lost the arc. Yeah, yeah survival
Yeah, he's like he's played it for years. He plays on computer. He plays it on PlayStation
he bought fucking PlayStation portal just to play a word and
it's just even because he hasn't got anywhere to play at home because of the kids and shit like that he's got a
fucking
VR
Thing that he then plays it but uses that as a story. Yeah, it's just all mental to me. Okay, so ever just to play arc and
Then I'll set buzzing
Yeah, so he's got that and then you've got wow and I'm just like where's mine
Like I'm such a fucking huge gamer. Where's my game? Yeah, but yes
Yeah, I know I know did you have you listened to the latest episode to a last week's episode me and Steph
I'll listen to the bit the patreon. Yeah, you should you should listen to the to the main episode. It was a very very
Good episode up there with the favorites because we spoke about
Elder Scrolls and World of Warcraft, but specifically about the
How impactful is having something like an MMO as your main type of game and what that means we spoke quite a fair amount
About when me and you were playing it
what a warcraft that is and when I tried to get Steph involved with it when me and Connor were playing it and
my current situation with it and the the guild that I'm a part of that I
the ones where I keep sending you the fucking screenshots of what people are saying about the pod and shit like that and
The fact that like our raid leader had a watch the buttons t-shirt made
Behind my back. I might add Connor if you're fucking listening. All right without my permission
I spoke to Steph and got the fucking actual designs sent to him where he could get the t-shirt made
and and for and for his pal Joe's also my friend and blah blah blah very
Cool shit to have that evolved from a from a game
So you should listen to it because I feel like that
Very much is involved with what you're wanting to talk about right now and that you don't have that
Thing I'll be honest. I didn't get a notification that there was an episode. So I thought we just missed the week
Normally not normally it comes up. I should have checked
It was on there I've got a checker that's definitely on there because I released it early
Yeah, and it just pisses me off to be honest, I'm gonna be honest with you
But I don't know if like
I've got some fucking OCD brain or something. Well, I can't yeah
I can't stick with stuff because what happens is I'm like, I'm gonna be honest with you
Because what happens is I'm all in on something as soon as I turn it on
Of an evening and I'm a little bit tired. I'm like, I can't be bothered. So I'll turn it off
I'll never play again. I bless you. I'm done. Obviously not interested in that game. Otherwise, I'll be all over it
ADHD my friend probably have I probably have got some form of it, but we all do
I know me they're looking at those pokemon cards there. I definitely do
I think it's the
because destiny
Was obviously I feel like your thing for a long time the amount of hours it was but it's still not
But I think what you were missing there is exactly what I was missing up until rather recently with this guild
Is that community behind it? I feel like when you're playing
something like destiny eso
and
A live service game with grinding aspects to it like an mmo
I think to
You've got to be a special kind of person to be able to play that solo and forever enjoy that
And at the same time those types of games when you've only got one or two other people that you play it with it's not enough
Isn't enough because what's destiny? What's the the the raids in destiny? How what's the limit of people on that?
Six I think six
Six, all right, let's call it. Let's call it. Let's call it six. Fuck it. Um
Um, you want how fun that game would be if you had a full squad of six
Your own little fucking clan and then you were continuously doing shit together and amping yourselves up that makes that makes a multiplayer game
So much more enjoyable. That's what I missed from the division
Um, that's what i've been missing from world of warcraft for a hell of a long time
um those
Multiplayer types of games. I feel like that's the kind of shit that keeps you locked in
I mean like with world of warcraft you enjoyed world of warcraft
You found a method where you could actually enjoy playing it. It's just not on the fucking right screen for you
But I think if you had the same shit that I have with wow
in that sense of community
It almost holds you in better because it's like right i'm playing this game. I'm enjoying it
But i'm also really enjoying like how you play with clarkie
And that's fun
Enjoyable, but you've got that every time you fucking log into the game from multiple different people
So you're never really missing out on that
It's one of the worst things about destiny 2
Like the the fun stuff is the raids and shit like that
I've never done so many of them because you have to do an lfg on the app or whatever and yeah
They might have integrated it now. I'm not sure
But nevertheless like i'd end up joining like a a premade squad of five and you're the sixth and I don't know the raid
and destiny 2 raids are like
They're very like if if everybody's not doing the mechanics then you're fucked
Yeah, there's not one person that cannot do the mechanics. So you're trying to be like, yeah. Yeah, I can do it
But yeah, can you just talk me through it?
And then they're like, yeah
You've got to shoot that moon when the actual time in real life turns half past six and then when it just like bro
My brain and then while you're doing that you've got to fucking shoot all these mobs. It's confusing and it's a it's a I think you and me
definitely suffer with a
anxiety
From that because it's not nice to join a group of people and then be the one that gets the piss taken out of them
Or you don't know something. I don't mind that so much
But I don't want to be the person to let the group exactly. I hate that and when you're when you're interested in mmos
So much of it is is mechanic based and knowing your character and knowing a lot of things on what to do
Which can be very very overwhelming for I think for people that weren't given a chance. I said to I said to stef
When I first tried to teach you how to play world of warcraft
I was nothing but angry
and impatient and and and screaming and
Fucking why can't you play this the same level as I am? I've been playing it for over a decade
You've been playing it for five minutes. Why the fuck ain't you as good as me that type of shit?
Which
Was terrible. It didn't work. It's pathetic. It just pushed you away from the game
but when we give it a round two completely change the
The way that I was trying to teach and much much preferred it because you actually fucking
Learned what you was doing. Oh, I loved it. I loved it
That's that's the thing that pisses me off the most about all this because if that was on console now
I'd play all over it. I think I would play that and I was I was so happy that we got to a point where
You were self-sufficient on the on the basics
In that you knew relatively in the in the time what you was doing
But I was still there as a net for right
I can help you do this this and this and this and I think the only missing aspect of the actual play itself was
Was being part of an active guild that understood that you were brand new and were willing to
Help you out with that. Yeah, which
Is really difficult to come come by but it's
100 something that I've found
and it's just the shame that
I feel like that's a big reason why you haven't found the game that you found because you haven't found the community to go alongside it
It's just also like
As I said before that I like the art style and the direction of wow, but then you got final fantasy, which is
It's a bit fluffy, you know, yeah, so with that in mind
Leads me on to my next thing. So I've reached up to final fantasy online
Resub to final fantasy online
I'm trying to find my phone console. Yeah on console find my thing man. So i've resubbed
I put it on a downloader. I put it on the other day after trying to fucking remember my password user name
Fucking hell. Yeah, it's the most archaic
Logging in system ever it is but i'm in
uh
Took me a while to fucking
I say to me what I play it for an hour. I put it on I was working out the buttons
I was working out the strings with the fucking samurai because you got to do it in certain
Yeah, I went and done a couple of quests and then probably the sickest quest i've ever seen in final fantasy online i've done
I was just like where was this like the previous hundred fucking hours?
Yeah, I was like, this is gassed and then I turn it off for the night. I was like, hmm
I want something else. That's my problem. I'm like that's good, but I want something different
so then
Then I downloaded throne and liberty
Yeah, yeah, yeah, i've been seeing a lot of good stuff like that
um and
Yeah, it's good
But it's fucking overwhelming
For someone who doesn't play most there's so much shit on the ui. It's just constant fucking there's messages coming down there
There's quests the writing so small
There's fucking all these systems in play and i'm just like it just like frazzles my brain because I know
If I got into it and I started understanding the systems, I love it, but it's too much clutter. It just fucks with my head
so yeah, I think um, it's one of the difficult ones about having an mmo ported over to a console is
Trying to work out the ui
Trying to keep the same aspects that you have on the pc on the console because on the pc
It's so much easier to fucking navigate all of that shit world of warcraft's the same but you can
Edit all of that and take away and add as much as you want and sort all that out
um
But yeah, i've seen a decent chunk on throne of liberty
It's not enough to to drag me over because i'm just so in the clutches of wow
Yeah, but I like I like the art style of throne of liberty. It's like
It's it's very fluid. It's very good to look at
I like the monsters because they're trolls and dragons and shit like that. It's not fluffy fucking bollocks
like in uh final fantasy
um
But then once again, i'm now i'm looking at throne, uh new world
Fucking artium or whatever that comes out friday
on console
Now leads into the big question is i'm gonna stick with either throne of liberty or new world, right?
You won't but we'll then try i'm gonna try i'm gonna try and stick
Yeah, if one of these and put the time in to learn level up do this shit
but now i've now i'm at a crossroads with these two because
throne of liberty has just come out it's
It's getting some good feedback, but also a lot of shit
The people just like janky the combat sucks fucking there there there. I just think the combat's really good
um, but still
not perfect, but nevertheless
Throne liberty has got like a high ceiling where it could it could be really good if they change a lot of things
And then you've got new world, which is obviously it come out. It went fucking
It's like a million people playing it blah blah blah, but now as of two months ago
I don't know what it's like now. I watched the video. It was getting 24 hour peaks of 2 000 players, so
you know do I
Now and and new world by the way is is fucking paid so it's like 40 50 60 quid whatever
New world is also amazon as well. Yeah, but then amazon have got big money, so i'm not scared about that. Um
but
Do I take the risk and get new world?
And hope that they're going to have a lot of content come out and it's not going to die
Or do I go with throne and liberty and put the hours in there and hope that that doesn't die because it's phone
It's phone and liberty free. Yeah. Yeah that answers your question. Stay away from it. Yeah, so for me
Yes massively pay to win for for me. That that's the you have to
Because I I haven't played either but I was very very interested with with new world
When it first come out and then obviously for a month it was fucking huge everyone was playing it
And then it it just fell off a cliff
People had had enough of it, which is very very normal for that type of shit because
one of the the millions and millions of games that just fell flat with the lack of content by
Not understanding that the player base is about to grind the fuck out of your game
And I think that's why it why it flopped i'm not 100 sure but throne and liberty again
I haven't played it, but I feel like when a game's free
There's a heavy pay-to-win aspect there, especially in an mmo. You look at diablo immortal. How fun was that?
How fucking sick was diablo immortal still is but boom pay to win 100% is pay to win
And it's like well, you want to make that your fucking mmo. You've got to have deep pockets to get yourself going
Whereas a game like new world where you pay outright for it
It's kind of a safer
Deal, but then you've got I suppose different because wow wow was free, but then you got the sub so that's different
Well, wow's not free. You still got to pay for it. You still got to pay for the game. Have you yeah?
Yeah, you still have to buy a world of warcraft
And then you buy the latest so you'll have to buy the war within but you'll get access to everything before
Yeah, so you would now have to buy the war within to
I understand carry on stuff
but it's it's
You look at it like so
Original world of warcraft and the burning crusade compared to the war within two completely different fucking games
Both respectively fan-made and the original world of warcraft
And the game's both respectively fantastic
But if you put them side by side now
Most people prefer retail to I mean you got wow classic so you can still fucking have that experience
But the point that i'm trying to make is it's had time to develop and it has developed very well
And I feel something like
New world has been out for a while and has had a fair chunk thrown at it to work out
Certain kinks and i've seen a lot of buzzes around the dlc as well around the new expansion. Well, they're free
It's been out for three years
They dropped a latest expansion. I don't know. I don't know if it was recent or a year ago
whatever it was
um
but
They the reason a lot of people left was because they run out of end game stuff
Yeah, but the reason a lot of people
Hypothesize that that is the case is because they've put all their resources into porting it to console
um
Which is not great for players that are playing it consistently but in the grand scheme of it
You're opening up all these different avenues for revenue all these people coming in you're going to boot because you'll cross play
So you're going to boost the player base significantly then you can put out the content
But are you going to retain the player base you originally had is it going to get better?
Is it gonna get small? Who knows? It can't get small. It was 2 000. Well, well, this is this is from steam. This was
13th of september this person who's writing a review has over a thousand hours
On record. Oh mate. Yeah, I said signing up for the beta. I see all the mixed reviews
Um when the game first launched I had fun getting through all the content and the journey from early to end game was a lot of fun
The content dried up at the end
But since the game didn't charge me a subscription fee I could come and go as I pleased without feeling like I missed out
I think this is the best we've seen for action combat in an mmo
RPG and the crafting grind kept me entertained sure there were a lot of bots and bugs and servers started dying
But I put enough hours into it and kept coming back with the next major release and cross play with consoles
I'm hoping the game does well and I have a reason to come back and do it again
Well, that's the big one for me. Is that is the because i've looked at a lot of the combat as well
It's action combat, right? So it's similar to eso. Yeah, so I prefer that personally and
the another big complaint with new world was that people were struggling to find
Groups to do content with because the player base weren't there your phone's ringing by the way
Uh, that's just that's just my phone telling me to water my bonsai. Oh nice
Uh, so yeah, but then that is my fear
I don't want to because from what i've watched a lot of thrown and liberty versus new world. What should I buy?
What should I play?
And i've watched a lot of just thrown liberty and I watch a lot of new world
But then you go in the comments and i'd say like 80 percent of the comments are like new world's amazing
I loved it when it came out. It just went out of things to do
And that was the general consensus. So i'm hoping
That when it comes out on console the player base is going to go bang again
But but people are scared because there's no road map
Yet their road map comes out after release
And they're also advertising it now
As an action rpg as opposed to an mmo
But they don't know if that's more to attract players or if it's that's the route they're going down you
You're in that horrible horrible
situation where
Trying to compare different mmos is fucking impossible
Because they're all different they're all completely different
They're all completely different. The only ones that are somewhat similar is world of warcraft and final fantasy
even even then they're vastly different in their own respects and
When you ask the question, which one should I be playing? It's so subjective so subjective
like
I've played eso. I've played final fantasy. I've played diablo. I play world of warcraft
They're all very very good in their own right. It's just my home is that world of warcraft
That is that is what I enjoy. That is what I would love
Who's to say if I had found a fucking a clan on the on the division that I'd be playing that still
um saying with destiny it's so
hard to
To when you're stuck like yourself to look at reviews and what other people are saying because everyone's fucking different
everyone the even even down to
Take wow the classes that you play
I'm a holy paladin loads of people like holy paladins. Um, um, my alt character is a devastation evoker
No one plays them. No one plays them. I really really like them. They're they're very simple to play
I'm having a lot of fun and i'm going to continue playing them because it's what I like
But if I ask the wider audience most people would say don't fucking waste your time go and play something else because it's better for
mythic plus or whatever, but that's not why I enjoy it. So
when you
It it's like if you if you're really interested in playing elder scrolls online or fucking take it. We both played it final fantasy
Someone comes to you and they say oh fucking what should I play final fantasy or world of warcraft chances are you're going to say world of warcraft
Because you've played both of them and you know, which one you prefer, but that's because that's what you prefer
whereas
Millions of people play final fantasy in the same with wow
And there'd be loads of people that would say no. Wow shit play final fantasy and vice versa
it's it's very it's very tough to
To do it and i'll probably ask yourself if both of them you had to pay for which one would you probably steer towards?
Yeah, well, this is this I wasn't looking for like a definitive answer
I was just seeing what the pros and cons of each were and what?
What I was gauging from what they're saying as to what I would prefer. The trouble is
The combat I'd much prefer a new world
The aesthetic I much prefer a liberty
So, you know, that's one point for each straight away
What's the difference on the aesthetic between the two? Well, throne and liberty is like very realistic
And it's all the monsters and all that it's like
It's cool, bro
It looks like one of the monsters looks like a beholder from dungeons direct or boulder's gate or yeah dnd
And it's like I don't know it just aesthetically is fucking beautiful. Yeah, but
New world is it's still pretty but it's not like it looks like
An upscaled eso
Almost yeah, it's just very pretty if you just took a screenshot took away all the ui you'd think that was like a god of war or
saying
But one thing I don't like about throne and liberty, which is a cool gimmick, but it's fucking annoying
I don't think anyone really likes it is when you sprint you turn into a fucking wolf or an animal or whatever
I don't want mounts bro
I don't I don't want to just keep turning into fucking animals and another weird thing that I hate
Which is once again, probably just me you know
Once again, probably just me you can't walk that pisses me off bro. What do you mean? You can't walk
Well, you have to fucking run everywhere. You can't you you push the analog stick a little bit you just run
Oh, what's your name? What's the cool walking bro?
I like to like turn my camera around and just walk towards the camera like easy
You can't do that walk off does that I know it does every game fucking does that can't fucking walk. What's wrong with you?
But yeah, I don't know new world looks better and I think new world is what I would go with
but my problem is
And the only thing stopping me is how long is it going to last for because I don't want to invest
Fucking a lot of time in something and build up on my account and blah blah blah, and then it goes
It's dead. Goodbye
Switch it off. That's what I don't want. I want it to be a thing where I can play for fucking 10 years
but surely if you're playing a game and
And it dies a death surely you'd be part of the reason why it dies a death and you would also stop playing it
You see what I mean? If you're playing new world and it say it say it's dead within the next four months
If you're playing it, surely you would understand you go fucking hell. This game is is shit. I'm gonna stop playing this
It's no good and then right new world wasn't for me. Not necessarily
I mean there could be fucking 10 000 of us to love it and then 10 000 was not enough to support it anymore
So now you're just like well brilliant. This is this is the game. You're worried. You're worried about the game itself
Closing down. Yeah, i'm just worried about there being nothing to do
Right if I finish the game and i'm like, I love this why I want expansions like wow every year's expansion or free
Or whatever is I want that with whatever mm. I play don't get me wrong
If if world of warcraft said oh by the way, this is coming out on ps5 next week
I'll get that but because it's not I need to find something else and I want something that I can just go to
And play for 10 years and then be like, all right, i haven't played that for a month
There's an expansion coming out and i'm gassed for it like I was with destiny
But it's not destiny's not got
It's so it's so fucking destiny's different man. It's it's not as like it's it's not an mmo
It's it's got multiplayer elements, but it's really just
You know, what do I want to do? I can go and grind for a gun, but then you get the same gun for it's a looter shooter
Yeah, exactly what it is, but it's it's not the same like yeah when in in wow or
or uh
Uh, you know new world for example, I can just go on I can go I'll just do I'll do a couple of dungeons
Because I need to do my weeklies and then i'll fuck it off and then oh there's expansion
So I need to I'm gonna grind some bits and bobs for this. I like working towards shit and
Grinding stuff. I like the grinders. I enjoy grinding on games, but if there's nothing to grind towards
Ie I finished new world. There's no expansions on the horizon
I just like there's no point playing it because there's no point just playing a
Stale game. Yeah, if if if new world has gone
Oh, yeah, here's a 2025 road map is a fucking big expansion and the player base has gone boom
There's a hundred thousand twenty four hours blah blah. I'm like, yeah sick. I'm in but if it's like yeah
It's not really launched well and it's buggy and no one wants to play it and everyone's had enough of it or whatnot
Then it's just like well, i'm wasting time and money. It's very um
It's very difficult. I take it it would be like
Someone trying to get you to stop following west ham and follow a different football club
No, that would never happen, bruv
Exactly because you're and you're
as a as a
A developer of an MMO you're asking people who are die-hards to come away from that
You're never going to get me away from wow. It's just not going to happen
There's nothing you can put in front of me that is going to get me to come away from it
I might play a different game for a little bit, but I will always go back to that
That's what i'm after because there's nothing that's going to draw me away from that
We had the conversation on on on discord yesterday. They're talking about league of legends and dota and other games
And i'm like, I have no idea about any of these games. I've never played them
I've never been interested by them and the question was asked like
How can you run a gaming podcast but you don't play any other games and it's like no I I play plenty of games
But i'm talking like single player games or just standard multiplayer games
But my my bread and butter is world of warcraft and I just said I just said like I don't have necessarily have the time
Or the the want to sink a load of hours into another game when I know I could be doing that with wow
Because i'm having so much fun with playing it
So therefore i'm not missing out on anything else because i'm having a great time over here and i'm going to continue to do it
um
And yeah, it's
I feel like i'm i'm
I'm ill prepared to be able to help you with the situation because if it were me and it is me i'll be going
fucking world of warcraft
Like don't worry about anything else the fucking the kings next year. You're gonna play that like it's
I don't know it will new world
um
Finally find its feet and retain a player base really difficult to say
Because it's a different type of I mean eso has a has a very healthy player base
And it's of a similar combat style
So there's obviously a market for it. Otherwise, they wouldn't be fucking making it
But it it's it's entirely down to you. I don't know when when does when does the expansion come out?
It's already come out hasn't it?
Oh the expansion's out. It's just the new game comes out on friday
Like they oh it comes that comes to console on but it's a it's a complete rebrand of the game
It's changing its name to new world a terran or whatever the fuck it's called
whatever the fuck it's called and it's it puts it's putting in loads of fucking improvements and quality of life stuff and
Uh, I think there's a screenshot here. I can
I can say okay. So new world coming october 15th. So it's got a new template raid
new pvp zone
repeatable end game soul trials gear score increased to 725 matchmaking
cross world arenas up leveled cutlass keys zone with new quests and enemies
these
performance optimization quality of life improvements balance updates combat improvements, uh swimming
Swimming, I think it used to swimming. I think they used to just walk along the bottom of the ocean
I don't think you could swim great rendering new cinematic storytelling cross platform
fresh start world player archetypes new starting experience and enhanced controller support so like all of their resources has gone into
To like getting this over to console so i'm hoping that that will just make it go boom boom
And everyone will come back and the people that that used to play it will be like oh
It's fucking like playing a new game. Do you know what I mean?
And because if i'm good, let's let's get right if I paid say this is 60 quid
I'll pay 60 quid and get 200 hours out of a fucking single player game on gas
Yeah, if i'm playing 60 quid to play an mmo
And I want you on infinite hours. Oh, yeah, I want it to live
You don't want fucking because I want 200 hours out of it
If I pay 60 quid for this play 200 hours and then the game's like well, there's nothing more coming out
I'll feel like i've wasted money. Yeah, but if I play this to a single player game for 200 hours
I'll be like i've got more because a single player game has a cap on it
You know what you can get out of it. You know what you're expecting out of it a
A mmo you're expecting a longevity out of it. So that that whole
I've spent this much money if you break that down by how many hours played it's cost me like 50p an hour to have a great
Time you look at something like elden ring
um
It's like fucking 5p an hour for fun. Yeah, i'm happy to pay that but you look at something like world of warcraft
I don't give a fuck how much i've paid. I do not care. It's in the thousands
Don't bother me because i'm not interested by
by money to to
To enjoyment factor. It's I don't give a fuck how much money i've had to pay for this game
I want to enjoy it because it's an mmo
It needs to be fucking going on for a long time, which it has and I want to continue having fun with it
um
Yeah, it's
Having looked at the face of everything I don't think throne of liberty is is the way forward I think I think so far
um
Everyone's obviously playing it because it's free
If you had to pay for it would as many people be playing it?
Absolutely not because it's not fucking free
All you have to do is look at look at most reviews and understand that whilst there are very good aspects to the game
Ultimately, it's free. So we know what happens with free games things start to become payable
Normally those are things like resources in order to to make things which are imperative to the gameplay
um
Like I think there's a fucking what is this as a review here says, uh
Uh, this is on steam as well. It says first time rating a game the mmo drought has been real
This scratches all the right spots. It's free to play and has some of the ick that comes with that so far
Resources are rare and there's 400 mechanics to keep track of to be fair
I switch weapon sets three or four times pick something and stick with it is my best advice graphics dungeons pvp
Everything feels super polished and great. It's a ton of fun with no barrier for entry. I have a hard time
Going to bed again. Try it
Which by all means i'm not sitting here saying don't try it because it looks really fun
but be very very conscious that if you're looking for an mmo to be your
Your home that you're going to fucking spend the rest of your gaming time with
I don't think it's going to be in a free to play game. Well, look at that graph of the world for a
Is capped at like 913 000 and now it's
4000
Yeah, that's bad because it's a content drought. You look at a graph of that's quite a long content
It is but if you look at you look at graphs of world of warcraft's timeline in its player base
But at least that goes up and down this just goes down. Yeah, but it hasn't had anything added to it
It did have an expansion. That's probably one of these little bumps
Probably yeah shocking
I must have been october 2023 because all of a sudden it got plus 23 000
And i I don't think your answer here is new world or throne of liberty. What's my fucking answer bro?
This is world of warcraft. No, but it's not it can't be because i'm not playing on console on fucking pc bro
You were playing on controller though. I know it's not the it's not that that bothers me
It's the fucking having to set this thing up all the time and have it sit there and now i've got a dog
So he's eating the leads and shit. It's just irritating bro. It's irritating as fuck
I just want it on the telly and the control in my hand where you just bang an hdmi into the fucking
Into the laptop and then bang into the tv so many leads and i've got the space
Yeah, and the dog will eat them bro. The dog ate my headphones
Which is another story in itself
It was it was when I was last here. I think I got back
Fucking the dog had eaten my fucking headphones bro, and she was like
Uh, you know
Sorry, I was like look, it's not your fault. Sorry, mate. Yeah my fucking 140 pound headphones
What is it?
And then and then she blessed a little heart
She went I was so worried
You know you was gonna be upset when you got in so your headphones, you know went out and bought you the same ones
I was like, that's fucking unbelievable. Thank you so much
Which she's this is jam talk and I thought this was monologuing the dog
No, no, but mine have got like uh, three little symbols on it because they're like crackens or something they're called
Um, and that's all she could decipher was from that so she went to argos and bought 30 pound headphones
I'm not the same. It's got no mute button. It's got no volume slider the fucking microphones in my face all the time
I can't fucking move it and I was just like
Like i'm so appreciative, but how do I tell her one? These are fucking shit
And two my headphones actually cost 140 quid. Yeah, I can't say leave either of them things
So now I just have to sit there with this terrible fucking headsets uncomfortable. It makes me sweaty
Because it hasn't got the cooling gel. Let's dog eat it again. That's fucking i'm gonna have to have it done
Yeah, but then then I encourage him to eat my next ones. Yeah
um
Yeah, you're in an absolute dilemma
No, it's just shit. This is what I mean. There's just nothing. There's nothing there for me. It's over final fantasy subs getting cancelled
It's wasting my fucking time. I tried it. It's just it's just
I as soon as I see them fucking people with a little fluffy ears and i'm just like just get out my face
I want dragons and dungeons and fucking trolls and I don't want furries
Yeah, I don't want that shit. It's not interesting to me and all the classes just like big guy little baby guy
I don't know. Where's the cool shit bro? Where's the cool shit? Where's the cool armor?
I must admit final fantasy was not the art style that I was I was that interesting. Would you not fucking look at eso again?
Do you know what? I've got a weird thing with eso and I'll tell you what it is
It's the fact that microsoft loan them and I want to play on playstation
And I think if ever they don't then put stuff on the playstation anymore
I'll have to get an xbox again or use the xbox or whatever and I don't want to yeah
But they've already stated that that's not they wouldn't do that. Yeah, but I don't trust them
So if they ever if they ever go, oh, here's eso 2 or whatever the fuck they might do
Mm, I just go on xbox or microsoft and then i'm just stuck because I put all these hours into a playstation
I might do it. Yeah, but yeah, but you're you're living in the future, which is um
Dangerous. Yeah, you're living in a time that is currently robbing you of the present. I'm always worried about we don't need to be worried though
you're why so
so you you've already established that you like the combat style of
Of um, no don't make me start eso again. No, no, no, listen
You like the combat style of of new world
Yes, i'm gonna but eso has the same has the same combat style you need you need an mmo
That is on console
one that is
one that has been has been fleshed out and
And and and is there has its designated player base isn't let's have a look at eso's um graph on steam
let's see the
As of two months ago, it was the fifth most played mmo. Yes, and then fourth was some weird little
Game from like 99 my only gripe with eso is that it isn't cross play you fucking lazy cunts
If that game was cross play and you could fucking hell
Oh, there's a there's a chance that I might still be playing it
Do you know what one of the big plays the big pluses for eso is go on that people will shout about is
They've got mega servers
big big servers
Where the fuck do you find on steam the the player?
Go i just go eso peak players and then it comes up at the top of my on my massive phone
I'm struggling to hold this and this though
So, oh here we go go on
I'm struggling to find it bro. Oh, here we go. I found it
Right. What do we do? What do you want it over six years? Yeah, go on. Fuck it. Give us six years
It's a bit of a mess
Yeah, but it's up. What's that m bro?
What's m that must have been a mad expansion?
Oh, it's a free week
Yeah, they love to throw three weeks in so what's this current? What's his current player base at?
Last 30 days the peak has been 17 000
Well, that can't be right
It is monthly players breakdown last 30 days 17 000. Yeah
Is that what it is? Yeah
There's not been any like mad fucking
I say that the the big ones bro are the big ones and that's the end of it
Yeah, but it is it is one of the big ones. Yeah, I know it's like fifth
uh behind fucking
The last the last uh update for most played
Mmos number one was actually final fantasy for the first time ever that was two months ago
It's a past world of warcraft because it had that new expansion come out
But obviously that will just be back in the second place again now, but I just can't see why
I don't understand why so many people are far fancy online so much. What are you seeing that? I'm not seeing
Are you just anime weebs or something? I don't get it world of warcraft's current daily players
Is 727 000
So where's that where's that on console? It has 153
Million
Yeah, 153 million subscribers and 81 000. That's a lot of dough they get a month
That's a good wage. Yeah, we estimate the player count of world of warcraft to be
727 000 with a total player base of 153 million 81 000
Obviously, there's some dead accounts here and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, or I don't know those active subscriptions whatever
Although having said that mark, I should add though shouldn't I that that?
That that fucking 27 000 on eso. That's just steam
Yes, yes. Yes. Yeah, that doesn't that doesn't
Account for the for the console and there's probably another way to play it other than steam. It's probably so probably got their own fucking
Yeah, it does. Yeah, I played it on its own launcher. So yeah, that's not a strictly like no
Yeah, that's just the people that play it through steam. You got the
current ranks as world of warcraft, um with
152 million players balder's gate free
130 million roadblocks 110 million
Diablo final fantasy runescape destiny 2
um
Honkai star trail fuck knows what that is path of exile warframe world of warcraft classic and then eso is currently 12th with
24.4 million players still still an extremely
extremely healthy player base
um new world currently has 15.15 million people playing it
No, not like currently playing it
Um if I click onto it the yeah, the daily players in the moment is 12.97
And its total players is 15.17 million
I don't know man final fantasy online 16,000
21,000 in the last 24 hours 95. Yeah, because it's through steam though, isn't it?
Because it has it's again. It has its own launcher
There you go poe perfect soul 15 000. Yeah, i'm just a stickler for numbers
Yeah
I say test shit out
new world's 5000
You think about you've you've
Um depends what you because you've you know what I want. I know what you want
But you're too fucking adamant that you're not going to play it
So in my head it would be eso you start eso again, but eso isn't new and fresh the expansions will be new and fresh
but the game itself
Wouldn't be new and fresh and I would go with the idea that if eso was the game that was going to hold you
It would already be holding you because you've played it eight times before
Mm. Let me pause this. I need a wee wee
I don't know how to help you. No, I don't know. I do know how to help you i'm helping you
What do you want I don't I don't I don't what do you want
You know what? I want i've told you I want an mmo. That's gonna keep me playing
for a millennium
And it's not gonna die anytime soon. You gotta hold that mic. It's not gonna die soon
I'm just looking bro. I just know what i'm gonna have to do. I have to fucking download eso
I'm gonna have to play that get well into it and then friday will come then i'll buy a new world and then i'll play that
Then i'll get overwhelmed and angry and then i'll delete it
And then i'll just be back to fucking some shitty game that I don't want to play. I'm such a miserable. I'm so angry
Although having said all that
Game that I was really looking forward to came out today. So I probably just end up buying that what games are metaphor refantasio
Right, okay
I write you may
You may scoff and look down your nose upon me. However, this is the highest review game issue
So yeah, what is it called? Is it on steam?
Um, what is it? What is it metaphor refantasio?
Metaphor refantasio here it is
Oh that looks weird. Yeah, it's weird. So
This looks very good. I guess you've heard of the persona series. Yeah, it's a nice art style. Yeah, so persona
I played persona 5 royal because it was one of the highest rated if not the highest rated playstation game
It looks it looks very very similar. Um
Um, it's made by certain people. That's why yep
And I played it for quite a bit. I really enjoyed it
Uh, and gem was watching me and she was helping me and blah blah blah
But the trouble I had with it
is
it's just fucking typical anime shit where you're
You're in you have to go high school
You have to do your lessons
You have to go for all this shit and then there's like a 15 minute dialogue where you're eating a burger and i'm just like
Fucking come on, bro
And then when you finally get into like the dungeons and the combat and that is sick. It's amazing
It's turn-based but the menus are i'm watching someone playing at the moment. Yeah, and it's fucking sick
So it was really cool. And the whole point of persona was you
Say for example, there was like a nancy school teacher or something
So then you go into his like mind and you see the dungeon is what he sees
You know, he's just fucked up
So it's all just weird but you always have to go to school and do your lessons and all this shit and I hated it
But I loved the gameplay
This is like a it's persona, but it's fantasy. Yeah, fantasy world with castles and dragons
Yeah, they're literally fighting in a castle right now exactly wolves or some shit
So it's like that game which I loved but didn't like the setting but in a fantasy world
So I was gassed for that and that comes out today and yeah, it's got the best reviewed game this year
Very positive reviews so far
Um, it's essentially a persona game set in a fantasy universe and one of the best games this year has to offer
Also, the game works really well on steam deck
Um, just make sure to change rendering scale to 100% and ambient occlusion occlusion to off
Um, well if you're into jrpgs, then you've got to try this one out. Yes. It's pretty similar to persona same devs after all
But metaphor has lots of unique things under its belt as well like party formations archetypes being a lot more
Um fought out mechanically than personas real-time combat before the main turn based one
Um where you can stun the enemy but the best thing about metaphor is that you don't need to go to school awesome
Wow, yeah, that's that's my guy
So it's very it's a very interesting game because you have to much more personas very similar because i've been playing the demo of this
Yeah, because it's got that cool thing that final fantasy did where you can play the demo and then when you buy the game it carries over
Yeah, nice, uh, and i've played the demo for i'm gonna be honest with you about seven hours
Like genuinely and i'm still not at the end. It's ridiculous
Because the games are over 100 hours long like flat
Anyway, um, it looks very interesting but the cool thing is about them is they're
Based on like a day and night system. So
In the day you can go out and do whatever you want
You can go out and build a relationship with one of your companions
You can go out and do side quests yada yada yada
But but when you do one of these things it will take time
So it will take that day away from you and you're always on a timer of okay. You've got to do this
This person's about to die. This is the main story
This person's about to die and you've got seven days to do it
If you don't do it in that then it's basically game over so you can fill your days and nights with different things
But you choose what you want to fill them with so that's how you build
Relationships and make your like summons essentially stronger
Or earn gold or whatever it is you want to do you have to you have to choose how you spend your time
Um, and then obviously make sure you've got enough time left to go and do the main mission or whatever you're doing
so that's why there's a lot of variation in the games and
Uh why people love persona because they go back and replay these fucking 100 hour behemoths and do things differently
Yeah, and that's why it's like a unique story to yourself
So yeah that I might buy that uh, but I was putting off buying it because I thought i'm gonna play an mmo
It's not gonna fill your void of an mmo. Is it? No, so I might buy that
and uh, I might buy that and just play it till new world comes out or I might buy it or I might just download eso and
And fucking start that shit again. You know what? I think you should do which I know you 100 won't do
Um is just wait until new world comes out
for the mmo side of things
That's a whole week away, man. I know
Do you need to get that?
Just wait until new world comes out get get this fucking metaphor
Play that
That'll like that'll keep you for the it won't keep you for the five days though because you've got the mmo bug
Yes, that's the same bug that I got nothing will fucking will will quench your first until you play an mmo. That's actually fun
And world of warcraft is that mmo?
I'm just saying yeah. Well tell them to pull the things out and get them consoled. Everyone's telling them to put it on console
But they won't do it. I don't know why I'm gonna put fucking 500 hours into new world or eso
And then world world of warcraft is gonna drop and there's again binned but then it gets binned and you crack on to something else
Yeah, and I'll get a binned and it'll go on the idea. They'll go. I'll bin that whatever. I've put 500 hours
Yeah, world of warcraft. Yeah, so hurry up. Yeah, but they are they're putting money on table
I'll pay 60 quid for that game and sub for it
Yeah
But the idea that you're not going to play certain games because in the future you might not have to play them anymore is ludicrous
Yeah, but that's my brain. I can't help it
It's not that I won't be able to play them anymore is that I don't want to invest a lot of time and enjoyment and then
bang if well how okay, how would you feel if
Breaking news blizzard have just announced all servers are shutting down
Permanently destroy I'd be absolutely I bet you'd cry. I'll probably would exactly. I'd be very upset
I don't want that but then I but then but then a meeting would be held in the discord and we would all
Figure out where we're going. We go. Right. We can't all split up. We need to stay together
Where are we all going and then we'd figure it out probably go new world
And what happens if they say dragon ball
Sparking zero
Well, then I have to go over with them and if I don't like it, then I'll then then I don't like exactly and it's sad
And I don't want that to happen. But you know what you know, what's happening though is
That's not come that's not happening as far as I'm aware. So therefore I don't have to worry about it
I'm not sitting here thinking right i'm gonna stop playing. Wow, because this might die one day
I wish I need to stop playing my brain. Don't work like that and it's sad
I wish I wish my brain. Yeah, but it yeah, but it did it is and it doesn't
Because you've played destiny for a very very long time. I was always anxious. It was gonna die
Yeah, but you still played it and then you and every game that you play that is a live service
You still play them
You still play them. Yes. Oh, you played that still going you drop that yourself and it's still going very strong
final fantasy
There's so many games that you've played where you've got to cancel that sub with my move. Yeah, you gotta cancel that i'll text you
I'm gonna have to sub to es. Oh, and I pointless without that sub. It's very pointless about that fucking space
Yeah, you can't do fuck all without it. Now I have to start that mounting up again every day
I feel bad for stef because she's desperate to play es. I would me again. It's a good game. It's a very good game
But when you when you when you have an absolute behemoth of world of warcraft
I'm sorry. It just doesn't
People that have never played it before will not understand when I bang on about it so much
You won't get it until you know now i'm even more confused now
I don't know what to do
Do I download eso tonight and play that till friday and then probably bin it and waste a lot of fucking time
Although I download metaphor and then that's a hundred hour game. That's not getting done
Yeah, but if you're having fun, is it a waste of time? Yes, because I could be grinding
I need to find what I should be grinding in. Yeah, but you can't grind new world until friday anyway. Yeah, exactly
So there's nothing there's nothing you can do until friday anyway. What do I do?
Uh exactly wait haven't you got thrown a liberty downloaded? Yeah, I don't want to play so you continue to play
I'm not gonna play that for a week. It's a waste of time and then i'll be like there's no point playing this anymore
Well, then you play well, then you play metaphor
But I know that's not gonna be you're gonna get a metaphor anyway, but I know that's not gonna be the thing
That you say i've got the demo i'm still playing the demo with that so i haven't even finished that yet
So then you continue to play the demo. Yeah, I might do
I don't know and i'll be and then what I'll do is when this podcast is done and we start and we finish recording the
Patreon patreon.com forward slash watch the buttons five pound a month for exclusive episodes every week. Um,
I'll go and i'll play world of warcraft
I went once this is done. I'll go inside have a little bit of munch go upstairs give steffa kiss
And then sit down and then play with my plethora of new friends
And have a great time have a great time is what i'll do i'm just gonna have an early night
Weekend ruined I want you with me i'm coming with more questions leaving with more questions and answers
Yeah, and and maybe you'll find the answers i'm desperate for you stef and connor to be
To be grasped by world of warcraft the same way I have desperate for it. You know the prerequisites
So get onto blizzard and say put his on piss. I don't need my I don't need that to be met for me to be playing it
Neither neither you technically you should do you want my full attention you have it
Pardon me, but you could also get wow on the steam deck as well
No, fuck that god hard enough for the xbox control setting up
Go almighty steam imagine that christ the buttons. Yeah, but imagine if you managed to do it
But then i'll just moan the screen was too small to play well, so see so lose lose in it
No, you got the doc
Yeah, I have
I'll come up with an excuse
I'll come up with some reason why it's not good enough
right
New world it is
You've heard it here first everyone you've listened for an hour to have that consensus at the end
Definitely not it's new world come back. Yeah, so I don't know come back come back next week when it's something else
I see you later