1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Hello everyone and welcome to episode 100 and 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:15,440 1230 you 40 you don't know 100 and something 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:24,480 Wow what no no it was on my it was on my um oh fucking hell where 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:34,160 I'm sorry because I just don't listen to it 112 episode 112 of the what's the button podcast is here 5 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:45,920 nice ready for your ears and I have um the the wonderful the beautiful the humorous the lovely 6 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:55,280 the exciting the incredible the fascinating 7 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:03,280 what are you after oh I'm sorry I spoke earlier sorry who is it sorry I didn't hear who's with 8 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,640 who's with you oh well I said your full name oh right okay less of that Steph 9 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:20,800 Steph is here um and for our conversation today I figured we would just talk about the lovely 10 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:27,200 lovely lovely lovely lovely lovely Elder Scrolls online and probably World of Warcraft probably 11 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:34,240 other massive multiplayer online games because I feel like that's a relatively decent talking point 12 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:43,120 for us go on then well it's hard go speak monkey I'm not really playing it at the moment I don't 13 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:49,200 re-download it with every intention I just don't have fucking time I really haven't had time um 14 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:57,600 but yeah I don't I I over to you really because you you need to get me going and then I'll allow 15 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,880 me to lead the conversation yeah allow me to lead you into the forests okay I'll go anywhere 16 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:11,040 with you it's creepy isn't it I don't mind we and um so as I'm sure many many of the people 17 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:17,680 listen to this will will know I've been playing MMOs for a very long time specifically one MMO in 18 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:28,320 in being World of Warcraft and you with games like that that take up such a big portion of your gaming 19 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:36,560 life there's inevitably always going to be other games that come out that perceive themselves to be 20 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:41,040 said game killer oh this game's the World of Warcraft killer this is the COD killer this is 21 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,080 the FIFA killer there's always when you have something that sits at the at the the precipice 22 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:55,440 of everything um there's always competition and I feel like I've had a very consistent playtime 23 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:02,080 through WoW there's two expansions that I completely missed due to just not having um a computer at the 24 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:10,320 time and when you break an addiction usually you stay out of the addiction which is what happened 25 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,840 my laptop was well my my PC at the time was was just not capable of playing World of Warcraft anymore 26 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:26,000 um it was Legion and Warlords of Draen or the expansions I missed out on um and when they did 27 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:32,640 come out I just wasn't massively interested in returning I was so heavy into BMXing at the time 28 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:40,720 that that just took up all of my spare time it was work go out and ride go to sleep rinse and repeat 29 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:48,320 so never really went back for for two and a bit years but in those two and a bit years obviously 30 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:56,000 that is always at the back of your mind because I'm still a gamer so there's always that that very 31 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:02,880 specific itch that's at the back of your head when it comes to playing an MMO it's it's nothing like 32 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:10,400 any other sort of game you can play God of War you can play um Call of Duty you can Ratchet and Clank 33 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:16,880 they they have a they have a lifespan Call of Duty maybe not so much because it is a live service 34 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,720 predominantly multiplayer game um to the point where some of the Call of Duty's that come out 35 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:26,880 just didn't have a campaign on them full stop because it's just multiplayer um so maybe exclude 36 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:35,120 that from the list but something like WoW when you're not playing it and you know that at the 37 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:40,480 moment at that moment you don't specifically want to go back to WoW you end up looking at other other 38 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:46,640 MMOs out there because the ideology being that if this game is fucking massive and millions and 39 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,920 millions of people play this one but also millions of people play this other game then there must be 40 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:59,040 something about it that that makes it so good and I feel like the the big ones are World of Warcraft 41 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:08,000 Final Fantasy um online Elder Scrolls online um Path of Exile and obviously I delved into 42 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:15,120 Final Fantasy and you'll remember when I was like oh yeah no this is gonna this is gonna take over 43 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,920 WoW this is this is gonna be the game that gets me away from World of Warcraft almost like talking 44 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,680 about it as if I didn't like World of Warcraft and it's like it's gonna be a thing that this 45 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,960 the new shiny thing that's very similar to WoW so therefore it's not fucking scary and overwhelming 46 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:36,080 um and that lasted all of about a month and then thrusted straight back into WoW because I was like 47 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:42,000 everything I hate about this game is fucking perfect in this one so back I go and for quite 48 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:56,960 a while to be fair um we were heavy into Elder Scrolls online and I feel I feel a bit um not upset 49 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:04,320 but a bit no yeah I'd say probably upset because it's the first I feel like where we where we've 50 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:12,800 been together for for a long time and we always say how we it's not it's not recent stuff it's 51 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:21,440 riff it's one person or that we we were a hive mind um and obviously we share the the the same 52 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:28,960 interest in in in gaming and most of the stuff that we do in life so no wait where's the dog 53 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:37,760 hey you're not going anywhere back on the the chair on the wooden bench go on no oh come on 54 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:43,840 let me pause it yeah let me pause it hold on sorry I had to had to put the dog back in the kitchen 55 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:50,160 to stop her from escaping from us completely ruined my mojo whatever the fuck I was talking 56 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:56,080 about you're saying about how it was um we've been together and we're the same we're very much the 57 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:03,440 same love me loads have you loads so you you've ever said love you loads you know we never really 58 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:12,160 said lots and lots yeah I love you loads because we're not because we're not six um and the 59 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:21,120 the I feel like for for people that are gamers being able to share your hobby with with the 60 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:28,880 person that you love is is a a very nice thing to be able to do or not even necessarily share it 61 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,640 with that person but having the put the person that you spend the majority of your life with 62 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:38,240 support that because I know there's a lot of there's a lot of men and women out there who are 63 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:44,400 who are serious gamers and their partners just don't understand that and almost see it as a 64 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:51,440 as a childish thing when the majority of people especially people who are actually gamers 65 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:58,720 understand that it's just a form of entertainment for most of us but for a lot of us as well it is 66 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:10,480 your it's your life like it it very much um carves a lot of what you do in the world and and and your 67 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:19,600 likes and your passions revolve around gaming and I've always wanted to I have this game that I play 68 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:28,480 consistently like at least five days a week and I spend a lot of time in in this game not to the 69 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:33,840 point where I can't separate myself from the game but I'm always thinking about it I mean I love this 70 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:40,880 game I I love it loads loads and loads and loads and I love the people that I that I that I meet 71 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:47,040 playing it and I've I've made lots of friends playing World of Warcraft and I've um stopped 72 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,040 talking to a lot of friends that I've that I've met through World of Warcraft not through like 73 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:58,960 anything um bad just lost contact with these people but I'm in a point now where there's just 74 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:06,400 this massive community that I'm I'm very much a part of in the in the guild hoofs and hoes in that 75 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:15,360 I I I can't even remember joining that guild but I I whenever I did join them it's quite a big guild 76 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:23,040 and you feel almost you're the new guy you know I mean and most of the times when you join a guild 77 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:29,120 unless you're actively talking to people you you're just sitting on the sidelines yeah and 78 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:37,760 I've been passively getting involved with with everyone in the guild with with with Connor with 79 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:46,880 Joe with with Aston um and there's this like I say this this real big sense of community like 80 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,360 I'm a part of something like so I was made an officer of the guild in in some respects or given 81 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:58,000 the ranking that's that's similar um and we're all friends and there's new people joining this 82 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,520 guild and and and and we're becoming friends with those new people like talk about John I've known 83 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,480 I've known the guy for fucking almost like a month and that's it meeting him like that you 84 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:19,120 know I mean um and it's I'd love to be able to share that with yourself but obviously you're not 85 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:24,960 World of Warcraft doesn't we've tried before and it we have tried before and it just doesn't 86 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,560 oh no it's not my bad dream is that a wash about come straight in 87 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:36,480 in he's going away he's going away nice okay you're right yeah so obviously we've tried to 88 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,400 play World of Warcraft together before and it just the like you almost had the same problem with ash 89 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:46,640 and that that mouse and keyboard but that was when we were like that wasp was going to come 90 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:54,480 flying straight in isn't it is it a bee no it's a full-on wasp go away please go away I'd like to 91 00:10:54,480 --> 00:11:01,760 shut the door away with you away he's gone he's flown away away cool um I'll keep that one shut 92 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:07,120 and leave that one okay um a bit of danger it wouldn't it wouldn't have been so bad if I hadn't 93 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:13,600 had that bad dream last night sorry understand what's fine dream nightmare nightmare anyway um 94 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:19,360 we were very we were playing ESO at that time as well though and like I think in the same way that 95 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,680 the other way around if you've got something that you're into and you enjoy like exactly what you 96 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:33,120 said there final fantasy and you think I was more comfortable and like enjoyed mechanically 97 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,680 the combat style was completely different well I'm just like moving around in the quest and art 98 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:45,920 style and yeah so but I mean like I wouldn't it's hard because it's like not in an argumentative 99 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:53,600 way you want me to play your like your thing I won't play yeah yeah no yeah but I don't know 100 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,640 not even won't play I mean like you you know how it feels you do not want to really play that but 101 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,440 someone else really wants you to um because the point that I was trying to make is that um 102 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,520 obviously World of Warcraft isn't hasn't really worked out in in both of us being able to play 103 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:17,520 it together but Elder Scrolls did it did yeah for a long time and arguably still would it's just 104 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:24,960 that where it's trying you can't juggle two MMOs or I know a lot of people can but I I myself and 105 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:31,040 I know you won't be able to juggle two of them do you know what I think might change things 106 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:37,280 potentially is and I don't really know it's a bit of a pipe dream because money wise I don't know 107 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:44,720 where we'll be at but um because obviously I'm going to need my computer upstairs but having 108 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,400 maybe being able to play next to you know you see those couples and they've got like these 109 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:54,480 fucking dench setups and they're right next to each other like I think from a wi-fi point of 110 00:12:54,480 --> 00:13:00,560 view a connectivity point of view even from like a an actual performance point of view on what we 111 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:07,200 are playing on whereby you're you know we're in the middle of a dungeon yours is fine mine oh no 112 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,440 I'm lagging oh no it stopped oh no yeah because you're in like the dark zone of the fucking 113 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:17,200 bedroom and then it was like trying to get a fucking headset to work um whereas I think 114 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:26,000 potentially in like you know the near somewhat near future maybe it's something to say we say 115 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,560 like here and we can see each other's screen you know you can just look over and go oh yeah from 116 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:33,200 an explanation point of view rather than having to get up and then change rooms and go no look 117 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:42,160 you need to be there blah blah blah not that you have finished but yeah um yeah potentially maybe 118 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:48,720 there's maybe there's a sort of potential there but then at the same time I think like I couldn't I 119 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:54,720 don't feel like I could join your guild because that's I don't know why that's just like I don't 120 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:00,560 know I don't know but I reckon you could because they really like you because because obviously 121 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:10,560 they they a few of them listen to the podcast um and it it comes up quite a fair bit in conversation 122 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:16,640 like with with Connor who's our raid leader who who had had a what's the buttons t-shirt made 123 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:25,440 um and then got one made for Joe as well and that's like uh that's a really nice and not a 124 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:32,240 nice way of showing support for something that one of your pals does is I didn't know that they were 125 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:39,440 doing that um and yeah they they they know you they've they've spoken to you they've heard you 126 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,720 um so I don't think there'd be a doubt that that you would that you would get on with those people 127 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:50,000 but then I wouldn't want to um because there's also lots of women in the guild as well yeah but 128 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,960 I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want to I say lots the proportion is very fucking one-sided but there 129 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,120 are women in the guild I found it I don't know how relevant this is but like I'll be quick 130 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:04,240 like when so obviously Meg and me and Meg were friends in primary school then we went to separate 131 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:09,360 secondary schools but stayed in touch but then we went to the same college right but what happened 132 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:14,880 with with college was that all a lot of my secondary school friends also went to that college 133 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,480 so then we became this and then some of Meg's secondary school friends also went to college 134 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:25,520 so it's like a big huge group but what I found was and it wasn't like a big big problem but 135 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:31,040 previously I had a place where okay I'm not that I was two different people but you say like I've 136 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,960 got my secondary school friends oh you're getting my nerves it's okay I'll go to Meg but then all of 137 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:41,280 a sudden this group had been like merged and I had I no longer had like this separate friend group 138 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,280 all I said like so how like in the patreon you went oh yeah my lot and you think but you've got 139 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,920 you've got your lot the guild lot then you've got your lot your work lot and then yeah and like that 140 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,560 I do think and so like as do I I've got you know you got your secondary school friends you got work 141 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:59,760 friends you got college friends you got uni friends whatever um but yeah it's something where like I 142 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:05,680 would hate that say like I joined it and then you might you know but then I mean the beauty of it is 143 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:12,800 is like I work on a wednesday night so I'd never but you know I mean like I I love that having seen 144 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:18,960 you being a wow guild that was incredibly unhealthy for you you know when you tried to when you ran 145 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:25,200 that guild um call of the void the void yeah about three or three years ago three or four years ago 146 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:32,480 really um and that was that was I was so upset for you because you were basically coming home 147 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:37,760 from work and then fucking going to work you were a HR manager you were a fucking like it was mad it 148 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,720 was wild and then like this has been to the point where you were literally like like fuck me you 149 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,440 looked rough you actually looked rough and then you were like you know what I'm done like I'm burnt 150 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:53,680 out I've had an I can't do this anymore um and that's really sad to see something that you know 151 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:59,600 has been such a such a long lasting and such a great love for you be actually we come up with 152 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,760 the name on a walk didn't we I know on that when we was walking around the marina wasn't it and it 153 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:09,680 was so so lovely and it started off so well and so exciting and it felt like this like natural next 154 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:16,080 step kind of thing and then yeah to turn so incredibly toxic and then basically have to 155 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:22,960 watch it be taken over and fucking decimated by furries ultimately yeah I think it was the 156 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:30,160 name was changed like furry squad or some shit like that and so that was so bad whereas like now 157 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,720 is so nice and so positive and so lovely and ultimately I think the word is healthy 158 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:41,440 yeah yeah I think it's because the the majority of the people that are in this guild they're 159 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:50,080 they're all of just a similar mindset and a lot of them are friends in real life um and we all 160 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:57,040 understand that we're all adults we've all got we're all working um and we've all got stuff outside 161 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:05,600 of world of warcraft so other shit takes priority and there's no animosity to it like if we're 162 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:11,280 raiding tonight and someone can't make it because something's come up there's no kicking off about 163 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,160 it it's very simple you go okay fair enough that's fine if you've got something else to do that's not 164 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,960 a problem because at the end of the day this is just a game it means a hell of a lot to all of us 165 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:27,600 but it is just a game um and if you've got to deal with shit outside of that then no one's going to 166 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:33,520 stop you from doing that and I think that was the that was almost the missing link in the call of 167 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,760 the void is that world of warcraft for the people they're in there I can't even remember half of 168 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:44,720 their names um but it was world of warcraft was everything to them it was crazy everything but it 169 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,360 was like but like I remember and you were like oh I've had a racial complaint I was like excuse me 170 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:54,480 yeah yeah yeah um someone's come to me and basically said that um yeah someone's been racist to them 171 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,440 and um I've got I'm thinking um you know I'll either give them a warning or I'll perhaps have 172 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,280 to kick them and then like next week it was like no the decision has been made by everybody that um 173 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,680 yeah we're going to kick this person and it was like are you being paid like what is this why are 174 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:15,200 you taking on all this fucking beef and I get okay fine yeah to you have to take it like you just said 175 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,880 it's a more chill laid back vibe but it's also like you do have to be serious about it to an 176 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,440 extent you have to be you know in the same way that okay so let's say you've got this spot um 177 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,680 people are somewhat relying on you and you go oh shit sorry I'm really sorry I can't make it I 178 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,080 don't feel well got a headache whatever or you know I've like when my card you had to come pick 179 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:41,520 me up um but then let's say okay you would you were then doing that eight raids in a row they 180 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,040 might go listen okay that's a bit annoying and like you're saying that you're going to be here 181 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,400 and you're not that's quite normal that's quite like a normal thing same as if you were going to 182 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,120 like a fucking pilates or a dance class that kind of thing you can miss one or two but 183 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:56,480 at the point when if you're in this dance routine and you're not there it's like okay this is quite 184 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,040 annoying at the end of the day we're gone no no but like that and that like you say there that was 185 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:08,800 missing that it was just fucking weird in like that you were having to well I think I think I 186 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:13,760 think I pretty much said it all like it's such a polar opposite and I don't think it necessarily 187 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:21,440 had anything to do with you being the leader of that like it was kind of just descended into this 188 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:32,320 it was just it was just crazy I I I me personally you felt responsible yeah as who I am I have a 189 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:43,920 a there's a thing in inside my head that makes me want to be in charge not in not in that kind of 190 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:54,560 way why we gotta look at me like that there's a thing within me where I am not happy being 191 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:01,280 just pottering about doing whatever I need to be doing whether that's whether that's in work or 192 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:07,280 or outside in a game whatever I don't want to not there's anything wrong with it if you 193 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,000 like from a work point of view you want to come into work you want to just do your hours and then 194 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,760 fuck off absolutely fine as long as you're doing you're doing the job who cares I don't care if 195 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:24,720 you're happy you're happy but I'm not happy doing that I want to I want to progress I want to fucking 196 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:35,200 get involved um and that is very much my mindset for a lot of stuff I almost selfishly like to be 197 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:42,880 somewhere in the middle of everything and but I I don't at the same time think I want to be 198 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:50,400 absolutely in charge um I like to have an important role in a lot of the stuff we do that I 199 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,320 think that's why like with my with work obviously I know I don't do it at the moment because of 200 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:59,280 where I've changed companies but in my old work where where I was that that protection role 201 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,080 I think that's why it felt so nice to be there because it's like right well in that situation 202 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:10,160 you're at the top you are in charge of everything that's going on here yeah everything everyone 203 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,760 and everything answers to you and you're in you're in charge of it and it runs smoothly 204 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:19,280 but you come away from that and once you're out of that situation you're no longer in charge you're 205 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:25,040 still you're you still are in charge but not in the same capacity anymore so you can step away 206 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:32,000 from that and I feel like with creating a guild I've always throughout my entire life were playing 207 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:39,440 well wanted to have a guild and I was part of a guild which is where I met Colin um who I don't 208 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:44,720 talk to anymore but not because we fucking fell out it's literally the geezer's got a family you 209 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,920 know I mean like and just grew up and he doesn't play well anymore so naturally you you do kind of 210 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:58,320 come apart um and he was running a guild and it was great I was young when I joined it and then 211 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,520 we were friends until I was a teenager when I joined that guild and then by the time I'd left 212 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:12,080 it I was a full-grown adult and he stopped playing well so therefore it was a toss-up between all 213 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,160 right well who's going to run the guild blah blah blah blah someone else started running the guild 214 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:23,360 who I think it might have been Ian that was running it who who again friends with um and then I left 215 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:29,760 and obviously stopped and then when I come back I was like I want to I think I might give this a go 216 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,800 and it's that sense of community and that you're building something like well you saw it yourself 217 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:42,080 when you start to get members joining your guild um organically and then those people are engaging 218 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,320 with you and wanting to be your pal and talking to you all the time then you're actually playing 219 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:52,240 the game with them it's so crazy because you play a an MMO all your life and most people that play 220 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:58,960 MMOs play them solo yeah it's a massively multi there's millions and millions of people playing 221 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,520 this game every single day and most of the people that you come across that play the likes of 222 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:10,320 World of Warcraft play on their own why that's the case it is I really can't explain it to you 223 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:15,680 case it is I really can't exactly pinpoint it um and it's the same with ESO it's the same with 224 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:23,120 Final Fantasy most people do just play on their own so trying to find that community is so fucking 225 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:30,960 difficult when it really shouldn't be and I wanted to create that and I did um I think at our highest 226 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,480 point it was what like 450 people were in that guild obviously not all fucking active and not 227 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:44,320 all talking but I think at its absolute pinnacle there was maybe like 90 odd 100 odd people that 228 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:51,760 were actively engaging in the guild um and yeah you feel you feel responsible for that because 229 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:58,560 it's like well I'm the person that's created all of this but fucking so much work man there's 230 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:04,960 there's so many different cogs that move within that machine where from an outside perspective 231 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,800 you'd think oh it's just a multiplayer game like why are people taking it so seriously 232 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,760 but it's the fact that it's there's so many different goals for something like World of 233 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:20,160 Warcraft that everyone can play to most people play to I want to do the end game content whether 234 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:26,480 it be raiding pvp whatever and for us it's raiding we want to clear the raid we want to do it before 235 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:32,720 the end of the season get ahead of the curve um and then the difficulties go from normal heroic 236 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,800 to mythic and we're not mythic raiders that's like hardcore shit and I've never done mythic 237 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,280 raiding before however this expansion we're talking about possibly doing mythic raiding or 238 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:50,160 at least sampling it because we've got a very good team behind us and we will work very well um and 239 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:58,080 yeah like I said from an outside perspective you wouldn't understand that most of us gain enjoyment 240 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,640 from doing the end game content well to do it properly you have to take it seriously because 241 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:10,640 otherwise you can't you can't physically do it so you have to gel well otherwise it's not going to 242 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:19,040 happen and I think to join a guild it then becomes like intertwined with your experience of that game 243 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,880 like well you are you are a good example of it you know you've had your good experience you've 244 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:31,440 had your bad experiences but I can't imagine like the responsibility in that yeah you if you've if 245 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,920 you've only ever just sort of like oh I joined and then actually oh I don't want to talk something 246 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:41,760 a bit shy or you know you are not available for them or I'm not you know like a lot of it is like 247 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,520 oh no sorry you have to be level 50 to join and all that shit if you're not got champion points 248 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:53,440 fuck off that kind of thing like I found an ESA like you peasant yeah but then like it can oh 249 00:26:53,440 --> 00:27:00,320 there's a little squirrel he's got a big tail look there he goes oh oh sorry um you know but then I 250 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:07,200 think the like what I found playing alone um something like the dungeons which obviously 251 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:14,080 they're in this is ESO now for everyone is it um the experiences of the dungeons and obviously 252 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,480 there's quests in those dungeons and I do 100% get if you've done all of that which obviously a 253 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,600 lot of people have then yes you are going to just run it you're going to run through you're going 254 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,960 to kill you want to kill you're not going to worry about the little people because you want 255 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:34,160 you know the loot you want the end the end stuff but what I would love to do um which was what I 256 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:40,240 did enjoy when you and I were playing it because 99% well all of them really actually 100% of them 257 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:47,120 we were playing so at least you and I would sort of you know kind of do the quest but it's something 258 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:53,200 that without without something like a guild or you know either you know four people three people 259 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,760 three other people than yourself or you are in a guild where you can sort of go hey like please 260 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,480 can three people come and like run this with me but like do it at a slower pace where I can enjoy 261 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:08,720 the quest line at the end of the day all of ESO is voice acted very well I want to listen to it 262 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,800 yeah very very comprehensively and here I am blitzing through it not knowing what the fuck's 263 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:19,520 going on because if I listen to this person I am going to be you know well on my own and miss all 264 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:26,080 of it um and that's something that yeah I would love to love to do and like I feel like that is 265 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:33,440 a massive massive benefit of you know perhaps being being brave and and so it's like it's 266 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,120 certainly something that's out of my comfort zone because I just assume by default that everyone 267 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:41,760 like finds me boring and hates me that's like my baseline of everything is that I'm like really 268 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:46,320 really boring yeah here's a girl she must know fuck all let's let's let's treat her as such well 269 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,760 and it's like I there was I was in the town or city and you know like you get that little chat 270 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,880 like the city chat and this guy was being an absolute dick to a girl because she was a girl 271 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,400 and then I stuck up for her and then she added me and it was like that yeah go on girl and like we 272 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:08,080 didn't speak and last couple of times I've been on like I've never caught her online again but 273 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:14,320 it was something like that he's like oh and like I just to try and then like build on that um and 274 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,120 things like that like you can see how you do make like really genuine connections in these games 275 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,240 like even something as silly as that we obviously have a not just because we're two women but you 276 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,320 know I mean like that yeah that was like a little taste of something like you do find things that 277 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:34,080 you are genuinely interested in well even like Jack Owen at work is really nice because he 278 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,440 we uh he they didn't even want to invite him out we were going out from McDonald's and when he came 279 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:45,920 out and he was wearing a Baldur's Gate 3 t-shirt boom yeah well when we fucking met oh my god 280 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:52,800 exactly Assassin's Creed straight away because you you as gamers you have that that connection 281 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,440 yeah and they were all right here's something that we can talk about and then we can evolve 282 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:03,200 from that we I yeah with the ESO thing and the dungeons it's the same World of Warcraft it 283 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,320 it I'm doing it right now leveling and all fastest way to do it is to span through dungeons I've done 284 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,040 them before I'm not interested I just want to do it and that's my enjoyment from that at the moment 285 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,280 but when you're first playing it yeah I know what you mean because people want to rush that if you're 286 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:24,400 brand new and no one else is like with ESO people just blitz through it and it's it's it's not 287 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:30,880 it's not enjoyable for the new player but you you try and explain that to someone so like me for 288 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,320 example I'm trying to level up my evoker as quick as possible because I want to get it to 80 I want 289 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:42,720 to start gearing it up if every dungeon I go into people are then making it go slower because those 290 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,480 people then are interested in unfortunately I don't yeah unfortunately I don't want to do that I'm 291 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,880 not going to be a dick and have a go at you for it but chances are I'll stick around but if it keeps 292 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,280 happening then I'm going to lose patience and then I'll just leave and then find a group where I'm 293 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:04,400 I can blitz through it yeah but what what World of Warcraft has done is they I think Blizzard 294 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,800 Blizzard have done some some really stupid things in the past and and currently but one thing I will 295 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:18,480 hand to them is that with the war within they've made it extremely solo friendly yeah in that it's 296 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:26,560 very much still on a multiplayer game but if you are resigned to playing on your own and you don't 297 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,120 have a lot of time to play they've made it so much more accessible for those people and one one of the 298 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:37,360 main things for that is the dungeons so they've come out with follower dungeons yeah so you're 299 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:44,720 able to go in on your own playing whatever the fuck you want and your whole party will be made 300 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,760 of npcs yeah that's so good and then you've got a button which you can toggle on and off which will 301 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:56,800 say whether you want the npcs to lead the dungeon or they will move when you move so if you interact 302 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:02,640 with a with a mob they will engage and they will take over and then and then or they will just 303 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:09,360 lead it and then you follow them um and that's absolutely fantastic for a solo player but it's 304 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,960 also very good because they made it so that if you've got people that want to come with you 305 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:19,440 they can come with you so for example if you was doing a solo dungeon and i was to come with you 306 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,680 i would just fill one of those npc spots and then the rest of them would be npcs and then you can 307 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:29,280 take your time and you can learn what's going on without the aggro of oh shit other people are 308 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,840 going to get pissed off at me yeah and then you can work your way so so you get to experience 309 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:39,040 those dungeons exactly the same no difference yeah and you get to experience all those quests 310 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,720 and everything that's involved with it but on your own and at your own pace to allow you to get used 311 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:52,320 to everything else um which i think for a solo player is such a good direction to go in because 312 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:59,040 without that it's so overwhelming and i would be i would love to see see the statistics of 313 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:07,760 people who have tried to play something like wow like eso and and final fantasy and then have been 314 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,480 shunned away from that because they've come into this game no one's showing any patience towards 315 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,560 and they have no fucking idea what's going on and then they've left me and connor did the same thing 316 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:23,120 connor started playing wow he knows what he's doing he he's he's in he's a pc gamer he's 317 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:29,200 he's adept with a mouse and keyboard he he very much knows the fundamentals of of most games 318 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,240 so me and him um we delve straight into dungeons and then just like leveled him up to basically 319 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:40,880 max level through dungeons and it doesn't play anymore because obviously from a time point of 320 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:47,920 view but also i feel um it was overwhelming because he also picked the tank role which is very um 321 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:54,880 important for dungeons and whilst he was learning and did to a point know what he was doing he 322 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,840 wasn't being able to gain anything from it because everything was happening so quick but he was the 323 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,560 person that's in charge of the dungeon at the time and it it's just not a good way to play whereas 324 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:10,560 when when me and ash were playing world of warcraft i know it doesn't play anymore but i 325 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:19,920 seriously enjoyed it because i basically took over and slowed the pace right down so rather 326 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:25,120 than rushing through everything we didn't do done that many dungeons we did questing for the majority 327 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:32,960 of it and i worked on myself and actually forced myself to have more patience um and rather than 328 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:39,280 shouting at the geezer i sat down with him when i spoke about the game with him and the fundamentals 329 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:45,920 and the mechanics and i helped him through the character that he was playing and it was very 330 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:51,840 very enjoyable to see someone who's brand new to this game have no idea what the fuck they're 331 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,560 supposed to be doing but have that safety net of me next to him telling them exactly what they need 332 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:04,400 to worry about and what to do and then slowly watching them um understand world of warcraft 333 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:10,160 and understand how to play that game and then basically we got ash to a point where he was 334 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:17,200 enjoying the game without me yeah still needed me to help him but the base the very basics of the 335 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,320 game he was able to very much do on his own which i feel like is when you get to that point and you 336 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:28,880 can start exploring massively multiplayer online games is when is when you get to fall in love with 337 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,240 it yourself yeah because you get to see it from your own perspective which is what i loved when 338 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:39,040 we was playing eso together was because we were playing it completely differently and i think 339 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,320 it's interesting you say about like that that converse like comfort blanket of having that 340 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:51,360 someone there and i think i think well i know a lot of the comfort initially starting out with eso 341 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,800 is like that basis in skyrim and oblivion and you know you're in that same world and like i 342 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,400 remember i was so fucking excited because you could go to black reach and it was obviously like a 343 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,760 smaller version of black reach but it was just so it was like that nostalgia element of my fucking 344 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:11,520 god like i'm here again and like because you do you do feel like it's like going to you know your 345 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:18,080 favorite place you go on holiday these are places that you've spent so much time in um you know and 346 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:25,440 it is so immersive and such a so you know you have such a deep love for something um and yeah like 347 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:33,040 that that i think that i'd be interested to go like oh it's hard because i mean i unless they 348 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:39,360 invent like something new or i find something new like to go in with no link is so daunting 349 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,880 and i think yeah like for me where that came from is probably that like it felt familiar even though 350 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,920 it was like a new kind of thing um and it's certainly something like when it came out 351 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,280 whatever year that that came out i was like oh well i've got no friends so like i'm gonna try 352 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,400 like because in my mind it's something that yeah i i like to do with people and i think the reason 353 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:07,360 that i don't uh probably go into that now is because i am very like i like i love playing with 354 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,240 you and i don't i don't mean to make you feel guilty at all by the way because it's not like 355 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:14,640 the end of the day we've had no time either even if we were like you say you can't manage two mmo's 356 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,880 which i 100% get um and at the end of the day i i've barely touched any games lately because i've 357 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:28,240 just been so busy and like when you get in you're knackered and and whatever but that my ultimate 358 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:35,280 like goal if not with the so maybe maybe something else i don't know is to have is to like have a 359 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:41,120 guild and have like that that camaraderie and that friendship because i haven't whilst i do have friends 360 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:50,160 that um play play games uh gamers if you will not really if you know what i mean like you 361 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:59,840 it's probably yeah um and and that's something that yeah i would love to have there's so many um 362 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:06,560 resources out there for that kind of specific stuff which i feel like none of us really tap into 363 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:14,720 um a an mmo is there with plenty of people to play with but it doesn't really 364 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:23,200 set you up within the game to do that but but then you've got you've got things like like the 365 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:29,280 the world of warcraft facebook groups that i'm part of i don't use them i don't need to i i have 366 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:34,400 i have my community i'm sweet if i need to know anything i've got their i'm in the discord and 367 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,520 i'm there i've got so many people that i can pull from but when you don't have that those facebook 368 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:46,720 groups are absolutely imperative and the the amount of times like you say with the with the 369 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,880 the woman that you defended on on eso and then she added you as a friend and you felt like oh 370 00:38:50,880 --> 00:39:01,360 shit like yeah let's fucking go yeah that that's the same with with most um mmos and there has been 371 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:07,520 loads of times that i've seen guild recruitments on one of the facebook groups and it's it's purely 372 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:13,280 women yeah or it'll be like i'm i'm i'm not saying that you just want to play with solely women 373 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:22,160 but obviously there's a there's a connection there that i don't think me as a man will ever understand 374 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:31,440 because i'm not i'm i'm naturally gaming is very much male dominated not as much as it used to be 375 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,880 but that's how it started so therefore i don't run into the same issues that you might do 376 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,880 i don't hold the same biases um i don't people don't see me and immediately think i'm going to 377 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,720 be shit because i've got a dick well it's like something that it really annoys me that it's 378 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:53,200 gendered in the first place in the sense of oh you're a gamer or a female gamer like what am i a 379 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,400 fucking like it makes no fucking difference but then but then but then but then you're you're 380 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:07,120 shunned if you're if you're not a fucking an eagle like the typical girl gamer and like it's like i 381 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:12,960 i find it interesting you think like so yeah when so say like with the but we were talking on the 382 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:21,200 patreon about um the patch that's come in uh for mods in three and like yeah i'm i'm not 383 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,120 people will some people i don't know will go oh yeah cool she's excited about the outfits 384 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,280 that kind of thing but like i don't even think that because like i don't really give a shit and 385 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,320 same as like this business of like classes and oh you need to be wearing this arm and like if i 386 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,760 went into my skyrim now i didn't give no fucks like in my mind it was like well no heavy armor's the 387 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,800 best because it's got the most fucking you know whatever it is you know what i mean like the 388 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,080 highest number yeah that's attributes but actually like i was an elf and really usually wear light 389 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,840 and like i get that now but like i was also a kid and i don't care like i was like yeah but that's 390 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,800 ugly and that's something that i'm always going to be same as even in boulder's gate and like the 391 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,920 classes and the best weapons you could use and stuff like that you think okay yeah but that 392 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,240 spear's really fucking cool and i want to give that and that and that's where something like 393 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:13,760 uh transmogrification so that you can yeah it's the workaround on that sort of stuff yeah yeah 394 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:19,760 i want you know and the outfitter yeah um and then so you go okay well it's not like i'm some 395 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,240 freak like they've invented that because people have a call for that yeah um because there's a 396 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,640 role play to it absolutely and some people like myself just like to look fucking cool exactly i 397 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:37,120 want to look cool i want to look really stupid yeah um but yeah hang on i'm gonna burp sorry um 398 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:45,360 yeah so it's it's it's something that hopefully i think like as i say we've not really had i know 399 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,280 we were sort of like panicking about because we're not really played that crazy amount of games 400 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:58,560 lately um and what to talk about and stuff but i think yeah i can see hopefully hopefully did you 401 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,240 see that thing it was like adulthood is just going it will slow down next week every week until you 402 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:08,240 die yeah yeah um but yeah it is something that i would love to like sort of delve into a bit more 403 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:17,200 and perhaps maybe get as i say like a more gaming central i'd i'd absolutely love if if you were 404 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:24,320 playing wow and you were a part of hoos and hoes as a as a guild but at the same time i would 405 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:32,960 i would be absolutely ecstatic with the idea of you playing something like eso and then finding 406 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:40,400 the same sort of shit that i've found i would absolutely love that because i feel like it it 407 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:47,680 gives you such a a better outlook and a much more excitement when it comes to playing these games 408 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:56,240 so much more than when you're playing on your own um and i feel like for majority of gamers that's 409 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:04,080 what we all strive for we're all fucking nerds that just want to play with other nerds to to 410 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:14,320 put it plainly and when you when you find an unbiased group of people that just so easy going 411 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,560 and are just prepared to help you out full stop that's it because you're a gamer i'm a gamer i 412 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,960 want to make sure that you stay a gamer and i want to stay a gamer so let's just fucking game 413 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:32,320 together and then we can continue doing that um and yeah just the idea of having that but 414 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:39,600 i perfectly understand that we're not in a situation at the moment where it totally works 415 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:45,600 well you think like it's not all made the same if you think like i know we've literally just 416 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:51,440 said about like how you you were in a wow guild now you were in a wow guild then you then prior 417 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,560 to that you're in a completely different like each one was an entirely different experience for you 418 00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:03,360 yeah um you know both good and bad and um i think yeah you you you don't just go 419 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,400 for the first one that you find or like you think oh maybe i can try and make this work or stuff 420 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:14,960 like that like you do have to sort of put in that put in that effort to sort of find where you where 421 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,280 you are happy and and like what works for you which is going to be different and it's going 422 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,440 to be different at different points in your life as well there's going to be times when you know 423 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:29,520 you've able you you were able to do i don't know fucking six hours a day every day there's other 424 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,360 times where it's going to be like shit i've not even played this week and and yeah finding 425 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:40,080 something which i feel like i think you have where it allows you to also live your life and and not 426 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:45,040 you know you know that they're going to be there to come back to and that i think is really lovely 427 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,120 yeah you're just involved because even if you're not playing it you're still able to talk about it 428 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:54,960 yeah and that's perfectly normal when it's your hobby when that when that when that's your excitement 429 00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:01,600 being able to engage in conversation like um like with this episode i know that when this 430 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,200 releases the first thing i'm going to do is i'm going to send it to everyone in that discord 431 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:12,640 because when they all found out that i run a podcast and you talk about gaming naturally they 432 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,800 want to know what episodes you're talking about world of warcraft and there's not that many i know 433 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,520 i've spoken about wow a lot on the podcast but actual episodes that are revolving around it 434 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,880 yeah absolutely they're not there this will be probably the first one of that eso and world of 435 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:35,760 warcraft um and being able to to talk about it and all the different things and the changes and stuff 436 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:41,040 that happen within the game week by week to be able to discuss that with like-minded individuals 437 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:48,320 and then also see a different perspective from said individuals is it's just really really nice 438 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,760 like you say it's you've got your workmates you've got your fucking gamer mates and you've got your 439 00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:02,160 whatever mates and like these are these are my my gamer friends you know i mean they're there but 440 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:09,600 there's i don't really know what i'm trying to explain there um it's just nice isn't it yeah 441 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:15,760 it's just like when we went uh comic-con and and like when we went in october and obviously 442 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,720 we sort of had like a little what's the buttons crew vibe going on versus then when we went in 443 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:28,240 the may obviously as it as it worked out you guys walked around together meg and i walked around 444 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:33,280 together and it was still a good time and it was like a good time in a different way um because 445 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,040 obviously me and meg share a lot of interests and and it was nice to have a catch up and spend time 446 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:42,000 and stuff but the at the same time i really liked when we went around in october because you are 447 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:50,560 seeing the the the things that excite people and what what everyone's into and you know learning 448 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,440 about each other and talking about those things with like with new people getting to know people 449 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,760 like that is is lovely you know and i mean i don't obviously we don't know if we're going to be going 450 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:07,440 in october hopefully we will hopefully um and like that's that's as much as i'm excited to see all 451 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:13,600 the staff i'm also like it's who you're with as well like i found really lovely both times um 452 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:23,520 because it is that it is kind of a rare thing to um to get to just like fully talk about it you 453 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,880 know that no one's judging you you know that like you're all there for the same reasons um and it 454 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,800 just baffles me like that i'd never been before that you think i always used to yeah yeah and then 455 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,360 yeah like it's i wouldn't even fucking looking at it like i didn't even know that it was done in 456 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,400 london oh my god yeah no i don't think it was always but like i remember when it did come and 457 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,400 it was like oh my god like so cool but it was something that everyone else did you know i mean 458 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:54,240 it was like it was like oh that's not something that i can do for some reason it felt like i 459 00:47:54,240 --> 00:48:02,080 couldn't do that um but then that's also a point where like social anxiety wise and general general 460 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:08,640 anxiety wise like it was just like oh no no no no no no no like i'm not i'm not qualified to 461 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:14,640 attend this event for some reason is what it felt like like i i'm nerdy but like am i nerdy enough 462 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,120 and then actually you go and who fucking gives a shit like no one cares you know i mean it is a 463 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,160 spectrum for a reason same as like like i was just saying like with the you know oh you know this build 464 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:30,160 for this character is great oh that's cool yeah perfect but i like that one you know and actually 465 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:36,080 i okay fine yeah maybe i'd find it easier to kill this boss with this build but i still killed them 466 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:41,840 and i had i enjoyed myself so yeah does it i know it matters but does it also really matter that much 467 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:48,240 if you if you if you are enjoying yourself and you're um you know whether you're making friends 468 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:51,920 not making friends you'll have you know you're spending your time in a way that you like play 469 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:58,560 the game how you like it and and don't necessarily worry about whether someone feels that you're 470 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,680 playing that game properly or not i feel like that's just well like i've said to these a lot 471 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:09,840 before and in in the guild like we all pay our money every month to play this game this is a 472 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:15,920 live service game that you have to you have to pay a subscription every month to play a world of 473 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,040 warcraft it's not like eso when you can play it for free without the benefits it's you're paying 474 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,800 for the game and then you're paying a monthly subscription for it so it's like i'll play it how 475 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:32,560 i want to play it if me playing it means i'm going to play the meta of the class i'm playing so the 476 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,640 it's been ran for a fucking simulator and these these abilities are the best and this will give 477 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,920 you the best output if that's how i enjoy playing it which most of the time is then that's what i'm 478 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:48,080 going to do but at the same time like what you just said if you enjoy playing a build that isn't 479 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:55,920 the meta then who gives a fuck yeah play it i mean yeah at the end of the day if you're if you're 480 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,800 trying to get into heroic raids or something like that yeah you're gonna need to fine tune it yeah 481 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,920 and you're you're way behind the fucking curve because of the build that you're using then then 482 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:12,880 yeah fair enough because at that point you're you're impacting other people's play because it's like 483 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:18,960 well this is now an organized team that that that you're involved in where you're you're actively 484 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:27,040 bringing that down but that's a really really serious like elite case which is so like we're 485 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:32,480 at the point now where we're we've got the last boss on heroic today hopefully we'll kill it 486 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,920 um and then it runs on to well if your main character doesn't need the get like new gear you 487 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,480 start bringing an alt character because then you've still got like two-thirds of a team where they're 488 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,520 sat up there so they can fucking carry everyone else through it it doesn't matter so if you want 489 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,760 to experiment and you want to you want to change up then that's the time to do it because you've 490 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,840 got a load of people there where they're not going to give a fuck because it's not they've got what 491 00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,160 they want so now let's help everyone else out if you want to fuck around let's fuck around why not 492 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,400 so yeah i don't really know why we're talking about that bit 493 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:11,280 no me either it's just been an endless thought stream yeah yes so is very good for that in 494 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:17,280 allowing you to obviously it has its matters but it's very good at allowing you to do what you like 495 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,600 world of warcraft not so much because the if you're if you're a shaman that wears mail 496 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,400 you wear mail that's it you're not wearing leather you're not wearing cloth you can't wear a plate 497 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,640 physically want that you do it and you're locked to specific weapons and shields and things like 498 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,600 that because that's how the game is designed yeah but then that's when trans transmog runs into and 499 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:40,560 you want to make yourself look different than you can um and that's where you kind of had that lock 500 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:48,560 um not so much freedom as the likes of eso and final fantasy but it's a system that works yeah 501 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:53,920 for that game and everyone likes it but yeah hopefully in the future if we get our own place 502 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,720 that's something that i would definitely look into is having because i'd love to be able to to to 503 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,680 game side by side because that's something that we've never had before no ever we've had it where 504 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:09,520 we're not far apart but there's still a fucking wall separating us and they can't hear each other 505 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:15,280 properly and the internet's shit in one corner but great in the other um so yeah that would be 506 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,720 that would be really cool to have that and then see what that evolves into but let's get off these 507 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:27,360 wooden benches and fucking go into a nice cozy house my ass is numb well thanks for listening 508 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:54,400 everyone see you later