Go on then pretty sure I just said hurry up hurry up
Right, how do you get that's not funny
That's sorry, that's a patron exclusive funny welcome to what's the buttons you're here with me Steph
Hello, I'm here
Here we go, um, so we delve straight into it no, I don't think so, okay
Right, so we delve straight into it. Yeah, go for it. Here's five. What about it?
Sorry, sorry. Sorry. I'm trying
Together hold it together
Come on now here's five pro mega expensive
No, because giggles is not good. Here's five pro 700 bones
Oh, in this economy not sure how I'm gonna swing it
You get a PS5 that looks like an accordion, sorry
I can't wait to get our own place where we can set this up. So these fucking wires aren't in the way
Jesus Christ because it's got a weird
Weird stripes going through it
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, right here is
Look
Okay, weird little lines in it
Um, I tell you yet. Yes, it is slimmer and I'll tell you for why
It's because oh god, this is gonna be a long
Long long long long long long
This makes it in of course is
I'm not gonna cut it. No, it's all digital
I
Feel like when you get to the for that money just buy a PC
Just buy a computer and they're gonna discontinue the PS5. No, I'm just by that. No, no, that's right
That solved your problem by that apparently it will it will have
Now let me get it properly. I know I know the differences, but let me let me get the fucking let me get the words
The comparison I don't want images I want the fucking
It's the eyeball apologies the differences between the PS5 and the PS5 Pro
In my eyes are very fucking minimal
So, let's have a look the GPU is
apparently
The GPU is really the star of the show as Sony is saying it promises to have
67% more compute units and 28% faster memory yielding
45% faster rendering but the CPU and storage speed and the PS5 Pro is unchanged
So while it should deliver 4k resolution and maintain 60 frames per second or greater
It's possible the console won't load or boot up games any faster
One of the one of the talking points of it is that obviously when you flick from fidelity to performance mode performance mode
Runs a solid 60 frames or a targeted 60 frames per second
and
Fidelity normally drops it down to 30 frames but tends to look a little bit better
When you actually run them side by side, I don't notice that much of a difference
Like I know when I was playing God of War Ragnarok
I was playing it in fidelity and then when I swapped over to performance after Ash said like what you're doing
You notice immediately that that frame change is so much better and from a graphical point
Not seeing much
So and yeah, it's a struggle to play Funko Fusion. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why I need the pro
Finally there was a more powerful version of my PS5 that could run Funko Fusion
Yeah, that's weird I put that in performance and it runs shitter than in fidelity fuck it
but they
So you'll be able to run fidelity mode in 60 frames per second, which I kind of think will
What is performance mode run like?
What's the road?
What's performance mode like then?
If fidelity will now run at 60 frames per second, I don't really give a fuck either to be fair because
everything looks gorgeous on a PS5 anyway, and
One of the things that they they showed off
Was was a scene a scene from Ratchet and Clank where they're in like a like an arena sort of area
And there's all trees and everything in the distance
There's all trees in the distance and they did a side-by-side comparison comparison with the PS5 and the PS5 Pro right?
And they showed this scene and the graphical difference and what they did is they zoomed in on the trees in the background
And showed that the rendering was better
great
And on the PS5 these trees they're like 100 foot in the background
And they showed off the guy these look better these trees you don't give a shit about 300 quid, please
Who gives a fuck?
No one cares no one fucking cares
You go on YouTube you watch a side-by-side comparison. It is so
minutely different
Who gives a fuck do you not think though? Not I mean as everyone knows
I'm Nintendo's bitch
But this to me so far obviously I know that it's not out yet, but this you know announcement
And the way it's been taken is this not proof of
Shut up until you've got something decent
Yeah, rather than churn out something do the pressure of where's the pro where's the pro where's the pro where's the pro?
Because you can imagine I agree like I agree. This is what happens because you look and you go
But I also don't know who's been asking for a pro
I don't know. I don't know who's been asking for a pro
But I also don't know who's been asking for a pro. I don't know
I have but inevitably because people are always expecting more they're always expecting the next day. Yeah, I get it
but at the same time
the the ps5
And we've spoken about that at length before where you have to plateau eventually. Yeah, you're always smiling
and
Fucking smile
Problem
Because we haven't had breakfast
That the technology has to has to plateau eventually and you have to look in in other directions so like the
The pro is apparently going to have um
Ai will it have themes?
No, which when I turned my playstation on yesterday, that's the first thing that popped into my head
I was like just give us fucking themes back. Let me customize the playstation give give me themes
I don't get why why we ever took that away because that
That would have been a source of revenue
Um for artists creating those themes as well and you had many many many free ones
And then you also had ones that came with specific games if you bought certain editions and everything and I loved them
And I don't know why we're at this fucking default
office block
fucking
Ui for the playstation because it's so fucking boring. It's so boring. I love my same
I love my theme so much why we've got rid of them. It's fucking beyond me. It's so stupid
Um, and yeah, let me let me continue reading. So what was it about ai?
Uh, blah blah
The biggest change for current ps5 owners here is that playing on a ps5 pro will no longer require choosing between
Performance and fidelity modes also, they'll just completely get rid of them
Um, but sony could just move those goalposts with the ps5 pro since the upcoming console also supports 8k gaming
That's another point
the original original
ps5s, which is
Obviously my one. Yeah, we didn't throw away the box. Did we?
Um, you might have done I might I told you not to but I probably did
I'm pretty sure on the boxes they stated that they would be 8k
Compatible and then on the later ones they then removed that from the boxes
You reckon? I believe so. Um, it does ring a bell actually
Yeah
For this purpose because this is one of the selling points of the pro is that it will run 8k gaming
You fucking find an 8k monitor find one. That's cheap. You try and buy one. That's less than three grand. Not possible
No, not possible. So
Yes, that's a that's a fantastic selling point. So i've now got to spend
700 quid minimum and then i've got to have an 8k gaming
Telly or an 8k monitor to be able to afford that and me and connor looked up the fucking prices
And i'm pretty sure the cheapest one he found was just over two grand for an 8k monitor
mental mental behavior
So for me as a selling point
Not worth it
But one is not fucking worth it same with the
The side-by-side comparison is so minute. You're better off just getting a better telly or whatever
Whatever screen you're using to play your playstation through
Upgrade that before you upgrade the fucking playstation. Yeah, because
So far I have had zero issues with with things like rendering times and fucking load up times
Of the playstation or anything like that where i've i've genuinely sat there and thought they need to improve upon this
Yeah, there's been no reason so that's that's also one of the things that they're banging on about
And it even says it in there
Um, the difference there is that most people will not care because who the hell owns an 8k tv right now fucking no one
um
As for ray tracing that's a feature that's been supported in the ps5 since launch
But the ps5 pro's advanced ray tracing is promising to make it better with more dynamic reflections and light refractions
Basically games with pretty lighting and lots of reflections should look a bit prettier
Um so far ray tracing on the current ps5 has been a little lackluster compared to what's possible on pc's with high-end gpus
um
blah blah blah so
Better ray tracing and then the pssr ai driven upscaler
Is the most technical software trick of the ps5 pro's features?
Is a lot like it's a lot like nvidia's popular dss feature on pc's
And it's a post processing asset that helps achieve higher frame rates at high resolutions
The standard ps5 ps5 uses more conventional anti-aliasing
While the ps5 pro will utilize machine learning to scale things based on what's being actively rendered on your screen
It's one of those things that works in the background to tidy up small details again it
It makes not a whole lot of difference. I mean from my experience with
um with rendering like that
um and nvidia's dlss
I don't use it
But I don't but i'm playing wow. I find that when I switch all of that on it actually makes it look a bit worse
Because it's it's almost
It's trying to give you more frames to make it run smoother and in turn it it slightly
Changes the the the graphics of it and I find it normally degrades it slightly as to and in terms of
performance
It's not it's not making much difference. But again, i'm playing something like wow, so it's and like
It's a sort of thing even if it did make it a bit better
To look at it side by side and I go. Oh, which one do you like better?
Like you're at the optician one or two and you went oh, you know, that's better. I'll go. Okay, would you pay 700 pounds?
You're probably gonna go no, you're all right. No, but then that being said again back to the switch. Sorry, um
When they announced the oled and obviously it wasn't a pro
Um, but it was that you know battery life. They changed the kickstand screen's a bit bigger brighter whatever
um
And it's something that initially had they never brought out the tears of the kingdom version probably still wouldn't have one. Um
But then that's based off of like i've always wanted his older edition of a console
Yeah, and never been able to get one you're welcome
And
Actually that being said now when i'm because I still haven't put like the most storage is still on my original switch
um
But I will reach for the oled so that tells you something like
and even just down to something as simple as the kickstand on the original switch is like
Fucking tiny three-quarters of an inch wide and on the left. Whereas this one's now the entire back
Yeah, it makes sense thing
And little things like that that yeah
Where on launch you might have been like, oh but then
Quality of life improvement. Yeah over time you go. Oh shit. You know, that's actually really cool
um, but so far with this, um
It is very much sounding like incredibly sort of minimal improvements on something that's already
Pretty sweet. Yeah, like we're saying i've and we've definitely said it before I know as i'm coming out my mouth
I've said it before
like when you're on
You're going up. I don't know
Some tall buildings sky crepe sky sky creper
skyscraper sky crepe, uh, or like the london eye, whatever if you've ever gone up a
tourist attraction
After you hit a certain point it all looks the fucking same. It doesn't matter if you've got
You know the sharpest glasses or whatever
You're you're at a point where your eyes are seeing what they're going to see and that's that
Do you mean it kind of starts looking it looks amazing and then you any higher and then it starts looking shit again
Because you're too high. Yeah, um, and I think yeah like graphically of course. Yes. It's always gonna
Be able to improve
um
but I do think that we are at a point where
It's pretty nuts. So then you're going oh you can have this in 8k
the the difference between
You know 480p and even like 720 you go. Oh wow, and then you go higher and then you now
4k and 8k is not as big of a jump as
Like 480 and 720 was we have such a I mean like it's it's closed that that gap is now closing but it's it
It's already crisp as fuck. You can argue
of
the the I like that you can have the stance of yes
It's very expensive 700 quid is a lot and then that's not even the fact that this is a digital console
and then in order for you to to have
To play with disk
You have to buy an optional disk drive to run alongside it, which is 99 pounds. Yeah, so
If you're upgrading from the ps5 to the pro and a lot of your games
Are physical you have to spend another hundred quid in order to play that
They boasted as well that there's like
Like two or three thousand ps4 games that are now going to be cross compatible with the
With the probe. I was like ps4 games across compatible with ps5
Anyway, so there must be something there that i'm missing because I don't see why
Why that would be a thing i'm sure someone listening will will know um
but
What was the point that I was trying to make I was saying about graphically that the difference is becoming quite minimal. Yeah, I I
I understand that eventually
Like 8k tellies will become more more popular the same way as 4k tellies were 4k was originally quite expensive now
Fucking most tellies are 4k now. It's not hard to achieve having that
Um, i'm pretty sure that telly is isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, and
Well, remember when I used to play with the samsung telly and then I
Moved everything into here and the difference on it. I was like wow, it's fucking incredible
Whereas now you're used to it
So you get a better telly and then and then so on and so on so 8k will follow the same pathway where more and more
Becomes available and then naturally it becomes cheaper because it becomes much more mainstream easier to to produce blah blah blah
however
I understand that
I understand that with that thought process
eventually, it's going to come in handy to have a console that will be able to
Facilitate that but I just feel like
It's not the case right now
No, it's not it's really not and especially when you have
When you have a player base with playstation
Screaming out for exclusives
Better exclusive. It's just just more games on the fucking ps5 and when you
when when you have
when you have people within sony now saying
We need more exclusives
and
We need to call on some of the old hits
Which you 100% can and i've said it multiple times in the last couple of episodes
um games like days gone, too
Yeah, why the fuck why the fuck you would not why you would can the idea of having a day's gone, too?
Because it's not popular enough. It's got a massive cult following. It's fucking incredible
Why you wouldn't do that is beyond me
and then
ip's like resistance
Was fucking incredible when I when I was playing um playing playstation when I was growing up killzone
Killzone used to be the og
next to fucking um
uh
Next to um, what's his fucking name the little sack boy
planet
Oh, um
What the fucking name of it little big planet little big planet
You said playstation run alongside a little big planet or fucking killzone. Those were your two
main things
And they turned little big planet to sack boy and then fucking whatever and killzone just got dropped
That was it. Just just no not interested anymore
And in a world where you've got call of duty that is absolutely dominating
Um the first person shooter genre
And battlefield has fallen off of a fucking cliff
With 2042 just having such a rough time and where it's now apparently quite decent the damage is done people aren't interested
Killzone
I feel like could be the
The answer to trying to combat that or at least get into that space because it was so fucking good
So good and the graphics of it were incredible for the time
and I just feel like
You've got people screaming for all of these things
People don't want another console
they want
More variety on the console that they've got
Such a cunt to get hold of a ps5 early days on can still be a fucker now. Yeah, and you think
For all that fight and effort and then there was nothing
I remember getting the ps5 and then when everyone was asking me what it's like you go. Yeah, it's good, but you don't need it
You don't need it at the time. No point initially. Yeah, whereas now
There is more of a relevance to having it because again, like i've been saying they're dropping more more of the ps4
compatibility of it
A game comes out. It's only funco fusion. It's ps5 only you can't get that on ps4. Um space marine 2
Ps5 only can't get on ps4 because it because you have to
If you if you want these games to still look great, you can't keep pandering to
Ps4 because everything has to eventually go up and there's been it's been a long gap. How long has the ps5 been out?
What like three years four years three four years something like that november 21 or 2020
It was either 2020 or 21 I can't remember
I want to say something like either way. It's been out for and while
so
You've had enough of a
of a
a gap to
To warrant the moving on process. It was november 2020. There you go. So
Oh lockdown
So it's
Yes now that you have that call but for for for a pro version with what on the surface seems like such
minute
things because
The ps5 isn't a fucking slouch. It's a powerhouse in itself and it's capable of some very very extreme
games, yeah
And it just I just feel like it hasn't been
Utilized enough, but that's not to say the the the introduction of a pro version would prevent that I just feel like
There would have been a lot of effort to go into
the pro
And with such a big price gap. It's like
We put the money back into the gaming
Yeah, not the fucking console you come out with the portal. No one fucking wants it
Waste of time and money and then you've come out with a pro
Everyone loves the pro. Everyone wants things to be a little bit beefier. Not the right time in my opinion
You've already got the ps5
It's already beefy as it is. We didn't need a pro version yet. No, I don't see why we needed that
I'm trying to find just you keep saying pro reminded me the um
Obviously the new iphone is coming out on the 20th and the pro there was a thing about um gaming
Uh
The a 18 pro chip powers unrivaled intelligence and unprecedented performance and a huge leap in battery life
Can you do a bit louder please?
Oh, sorry
I was needed to cough
But yeah massive leap in battery life. Um, and the chip is like mega powerful
Um, because what they do is uh, which I forgot annoyingly
Every time they announce the new phone, uh, they discontinued the pro line of the previous year
So to stop you buying
The previous pro for cheaper. You can still get it around but not from apple themselves
But it's looking pretty meaty. It's quite cool because I think the gap
Speaking of gaps being too close together
Apparently the gap between the 13 and the 14 was like embarrassing
We small um, and it was ultimately financially smarter to get a 13 if you know, it's a couple of little shit bits
um
But from what i've seen of this one, it does look quite cool
I probably won't be going for it because obviously, you know mortgage and whatnot
Um, but where's the bit about gaming?
But then you got um apparently apple intelligence that's being introduced in december
Which is pretty it sounds pretty nuts. Um, why what is that?
Oh, hang on. Let me just find the
Because those types of phones have always have been the forefront for gaming phones for a while now
Yeah, a phenomenally powerful chip. This is about just about the chip
A18 pro enables apple intelligence with a faster neural engine an improved cpu and gpu
Big jump in memory bandwidth. It also drives advanced video and photo features like camera and video
And photo features like camera control
Which is like a new button. You know, like how old phones just have a camera button. She's coming back
Um, oh you mean like what what this phone has?
where
Yeah, hold on I thought we did have a camera button no doesn't
Does it not no
This whole time
Yeah, no, you can probably use like so I can no you can probably use your down key to take a picture
Oh, what you mean like that where I can just press it twice. Yeah
Like a camera button. Yeah, but it's not really it's not dedicated camera button, is it? Anyway, I mean so and it delivers
Our best ever graphics performance for triple a gaming
Um
With up to two times faster hardware accelerated ray tracing
The a18 pro makes games look and feel beautifully lifelike with more fluid graphics and realistic lighting
And with game mode in ios 18 you'll get better sustained frame rates for continuous play and improve responsiveness
If you're using wireless controllers and air pods
And it's up to two times faster hardware hardware accelerated ray tracing than the a17 pro, which is obviously in the previous phone
up to four more hours of battery life
A huge leap an internal optimized design fits larger batteries
Which work together with the pro chip to deliver incredibly powerful efficient performance
And then you can snap on the new magsafe charger for even faster wireless charging
so essentially you get
Up to 33 hours of video playback and up to 27 hours
are
On the oh, that's not 33 hours on the pro max and 27 hours on the pro. So obviously you can put a bigger battery in the pro max
But yeah the apple intelligence thing
Um, oh my god. Also, it's got satellite. So if you have no signal you can still call
Oh cool. Yeah, well cool
um
Yeah, when you don't have phone service or wi-fi it can connect to a satellite so you can get urgent help that you need
um included free for two years
so
The if you if you very conservative with your phone, you don't buy anyone in two years then soles if you crash you're on your own
um
But no apple intelligence if I find the thing about it because I don't want to waffle
It's basically is ai but they assure you that it's
Uh, you know mega private. Oh, that's not fucking delving in. Yeah, of course, of course
So so so right, um, but once your phone ipad and mac'd help you write express yourself and get things done effortlessly
Um, it draws on your personal context while setting a brand new standard for privacy in ai
um
It powers new writing tools helping you find just the right words virtually everywhere that you write with enhanced language capabilities
You can summarize an entire lecture in seconds get the short version of a long group thread and minimize necessary unnecessary distractions with
prioritized notifications, so basically knows what you want to
See or not see which is weird
It can proofread for you. It can rewrite for you
um
Yeah, it'll prioritize your notifications and prioritize messages in mail
Um, it can reveal a summary of a long email and cut to the chase. That's creepy. See I
It's making us so lazy. It's giving wally
See that there will be there will be loads and loads of people that would look at that and then they would go
Absolutely not. I don't want fucking any of that. I
Love the idea of that
I love the idea of picking up my phone and it just
Fucking knowing me inside out and knowing exactly what I want to see and what I want to do like picking this up
And then it just going there you go done. I go. Thanks so much. Thank you
That's what I've paid over a thousand pounds for thank you for doing things for me
So I used to um when I was at university, I would record every lecture
um on my phone and I would also type out notes and stuff and I used to write like 2000 words a lecture because
You know, it's quite great
and um
And yeah, and like sometimes I would a lot of the time I wouldn't listen back
But the idea was if I needed to I could
So having that like so here it says
hit record in notes or phone
To capture audio recordings and transcripts then we'll generate summaries of transcripts so you can get the most important information at a glance
You can reduce interruptions in all new focus mode because obviously it has focus anyway. Um
So like I've set you to come through regardless of what my phone is on
And it end up being something like a bum
And then yeah, showing you ones that might need immediate attention, like a text about
picking up your child from nursery later today.
Use a smart reply in mail to quickly draft an email response with all the right details.
Image-wise, oh yeah, you can create your own emojis now.
You can tell it to create one.
Great, that's going to be a fucking mess.
A rough sketch into a related image that complements your note with image wand.
Yeah there's lots of stuff really.
I mean, in terms of how like...
Do we have a price point?
Yes.
Oh hang on, wait, with Siri.
Deeply integrated Siri.
Double tap, you can type to Siri from anywhere in the system when you don't want to speak
out loud.
That's fucking handy.
I mean, at the minute I do think that Siri is a bit annoying in the sense that to me,
with all the things that the iPhone can do, and I go, hey, the word, so that I don't activate
my phone, play my Spotify.
And he goes, you'll need to unlock your iPhone first.
And you think, well, it's me, you're supposed to know my voice, I'm telling you, fucking
play Spotify.
The phone assistants are shit, fucking Google Assistant, Siri, Bixby.
It just needs to be, I think, but then that's probably down to like a break in the chain
between Siri and Spotify.
It's probably that Spotify hasn't allowed that kind of thing.
And perhaps if my phone was unlocked, I've never tried it because nine times out of ten
you're asking because you're not fucking hands free because you're either driving or whatever
reason.
If I could fucking unlock my phone, I wouldn't be asking you to do something for me.
The ability to have your phone away from you and then just talk to it and get it to do
the things that you're asking it to do never happens.
It never happens.
And like a lot of the time, like, so if I'm driving now, because my phone, my, sorry,
my car UI is shocking.
If I need to call you, I'll press my watch and I'll say, call Reese and it'll go, do
you want to call Reese?
But then sometimes for whatever reason, like, so if I wanted to call Lisa, I've still got
her old number.
So it just goes, which one?
And I go, Alyssa, which one?
Alyssa?
I don't know what, which one?
I don't fucking know which one.
I don't know the numbers.
Which one?
Um, you know, you know, the, yeah, look at the, look at the phone logs.
How about the one that I text all the fucking time?
Yeah, let's ring the one that I ring normally.
Yeah.
Let's do that, please.
I could imagine, my hope is for Apple intelligence, perhaps because it says old number, new number,
it might go, oh, did you mean new number?
Yeah.
The difference between old and new chances are Mr. AI, I'm going to want new.
You know what I mean?
Something like that would be so nice.
I think, I think Apple and Samsung are both pioneering the use of AI.
Chat GPT seamlessly integrated.
Yeah.
Because I don't, because I don't, I haven't, I haven't read into, obviously where me and
you are both looking at getting new phones.
I was looking at the, the, um, S 24 ultra.
And then the, the difference between the 24 ultra and the 23 ultra is, is not massive.
And a lot of people are saying, yeah, like get the 23 if you're, if you're looking to
upgrade, um, but you don't want to spend like the mega mega money.
The difference is negligible.
Um, and people are saying sort of like, if you've got a 23 ultra, maybe wait for the
25 ultra before you start bumping up because it's just, I think it's like the camera is
slightly different and I'm not bothered.
So the 16 pro, which is similar, same size as what I've got here, um, starts at 999.
So they always get you with that though.
It starts.
So it's a grand.
Um, and then the pro max starts at one, one nine nine.
So 1200, but when you think this in 2020 was 1200, so it is somewhat lower.
Yeah.
As a price point.
So like, I would always go for the pro cause I've got small hands and the pro max makes
me want you like, I get one in a bigger screen.
I think if I was really using it for gaming and whatnot, then yeah, you might go, okay,
like I'll go a little bit bigger, but personally I much prefer using my phone with one hand.
It's my personal payoff for not choosing like ever going for, for a max size.
Um, well, it used to be called like X something or other.
So that starts you off with a thousand.
We'll start you off with 128 gig.
Then for two five six, it's 1100 again, these are all oh nine nine, but I'm just running
up five 12 is 1300 and a terabyte is 1500.
And obviously you think the highest cloud plan you can get is two terabyte and that
will run you like, is that why I'm on?
Yes.
Why I'm on, I think, uh, the moment I think it's eight 99 a month now, it used to be six
99 a month.
I think even I'm, I'm paying now and I for storage, I don't know how much I'm like, that's
probably only going to go up.
And I think if you were using it, you know, the, the, the example that they used is like
they're shooting adverts and stuff like on this phone, which they've been doing for the
last couple of years, like a lot of this, like all the promo stuff is allegedly shot
and you know, filmed, uh, using the phone that they're advertising to show you just
how good it is.
It's 100% that, but they are incredibly fucking powerful.
They'll be using the phone with a shit load of other stuff thrown in amongst it.
Um, and you imagine the entire fucking movie set and there's just an iPhone in the middle,
but you've got all the light and all the fucking sound recording.
You've got everything that you could possibly need to make that look as perfect as possible.
But then that do you not think though that that comes from, they know how to get the
best out of the settings that, that they provide.
Oh yeah.
100%.
They've very much, uh, increasingly so brought that software to the forefront, like where
you can customize it yourself back in the, back in the day, like my first iPhone, it
was, yeah, take a picture.
You can like, might be able to up the exposure with your finger now.
Well fuck me.
You can, you know, you're doing shutter speed.
You're doing all sorts of things.
And this camera button, this is what it does.
You can like slide your finger and it will change to what you're, you know, it was zoom
or it will, it will change the aperture and whatnot.
Um, but what you're actually seeing as well in, in out and about in life, uh, someone,
it was a video of like, I think it was Taylor Swift, uh, and you'd swear they were stood
like right near her and it was so fucking, the audio was amazing.
The quality, the video quality was really cool.
And then actually they zoomed out and they were quite far away.
Um, and even like I was sat with Megan, she's got, I don't know what one she's got, but
I think she's got like maybe like the 13 and I've got the 11 pro.
So she's quite old.
Like this phone is getting knocked off now.
It's ever so starting now to be cut off.
Um, not from updates, but just from like trade ins and stuff.
They're like, yeah, keep that baby.
We don't want that shit back.
Whereas like literally last month they would have given me maybe like nearly 200 pounds
for it.
And now it's dropped to one four five.
You think it's going to keep going down.
Um, but even my, uh, having that extra camera versus Meg's one being a software zoom, it
is still better because it's that, you know, a lens and like now what they're saying is
it's essentially like the telephoto lenses that would run you thousands on their own.
And obviously they weigh easily like over a kilogram and obviously are fucking huge.
It's basically going, Oh no, just take your iPhone.
You can just take your iPhone now.
Don't worry about it.
You know, those things are becoming available.
The software, like even between, um, from a camera wise, the mirrorless SLR.
So instead of having that bulk and that noise, which is the mirror engaging, they're like,
Oh, we can actually do this using software rather than, you know, rather than done hardware.
And it was never the same, but it's becoming the same if not better, you know, or like,
you know, in the sense of, okay, fine.
It might not be a hundred percent, but what if it's 93% and you're carrying a tiny phone
and not eight bits of kit?
Yeah.
You know, and I think again, like say with the, from the gaming point of view, okay,
fine.
It's a smaller screen and it, you know, isn't it, but you can go wherever you like and you
can, you can, you know, it can keep up with the games that you are wanting.
Well, yeah, they're the powerhouses of mobile gaming.
When you, when you look at the specs and everything is, is always iPhone sits pretty much at the
top or it's Samsung.
One of those two, they, they, they flutter between the two, but they, they sit firmly
on top because obviously Apple, Apple's trying to delve into the, the gaming world with their,
with their gaming PC.
Obviously in the, in the land of, of PC gaming, that's going to get laughed out the door all
day.
I feel like with the likes of Nvidia, you are never ever, ever, ever, ever going to
overtake that.
So aren't you?
I don't think so.
So, but the mobile game in space fucking all up for grabs.
And I feel like Apple is doing extremely well in that area because they're a very, very
smart company, very, very smart and they've got a shit ton of money.
So and what is their fucking number one selling thing?
It's the iPhone.
Yeah.
So if you can then have your best selling product be your flagship for breaking into
the biggest industry in the world, then fucking why not?
Why would you not?
Because more people have an iPhone than they do have a Mac.
Yeah.
So if you can make that thing as powerful as it, as you can, and then make it your flagship
for gaming and then anything that you have to do with the gaming world, you can utilize
that with your new iPhone.
It seems very, very smart because they're, they're gaming PCs are mega expensive.
And with that price point, you're not going to be able to beat what's been solidified
in the PC world with Intel, Nvidia and things like that.
It's the yes, it's all that stuff.
Still very, very expensive.
But compared to like Apple prices, I'm not going to spend four grand on an Apple PC.
I'll spend two grand on fucking something else that will be almost twice as powerful
nine times out of 10.
That's not me speaking from experience.
That's just from what I perceive that space to be because I'm not, obviously I'm not a
nerd with that kind of stuff.
I can't build a PC.
If you told me to fucking put one together, like part wise what I need, I'm lost.
Yeah.
But it's.
But then I think, go on.
It's just the, to me, it seems like a clever space to try and get into is the mobile gaming
because it's, it's especially in, in Asian countries, mobile gaming is fucking huge.
It's massive.
And obviously you've got your gaming phones like the, like the, the red magic and the
black shark and the, the novo Legion and the razor phone and things like that.
So you've got phones that are specifically designed for gaming.
But to have a phone that will only suffice for gaming and then be mediocre at everything
else isn't.
Is that what you're saying it is?
No, no, no.
Gaming phones like the Lenovo Legion and the razor.
Yeah.
The cameras aren't good or they're just not designed for day to day use.
And that's something where's the iPhone is.
Yeah.
And I will, if you think like, I didn't, I didn't have an iPhone until I was about 18,
19.
I had an Android all the way, not for any like thingy, just it was more because it was
affordable.
You could get an Android.
You couldn't like iPhones seemed so like, Oh my God, no, that's what everyone else has.
Like not in like a poor me sort of thing, but just in a, that's the way it went because
very much like how you and I the other day in Camden.
No, we won't get the big posh dessert.
We're going to, we've already done all that, but we'll get a ice bun from M&S and it was
fucking lovely.
That kind of thing.
You're always going to be, you know, or more likely to be the way that you've always been,
you know, with stuff like that.
If I can get something for cheaper, then I will do it.
You know, even like we've just been weighing up with, with the PS5 pro, you know, I'm going
to stick with what I got.
Thanks.
And I think Apple, what they do very well having been in a firm camp of both is, is
just so easy.
It's so easy.
Like even when I had an iPod touch that when I last, like I think it was one of the last
iPods, the touch, which is basically like a mini iPhone could do pretty much everything
except phone someone.
You could FaceTime, you could iMessage, you could do everything except it didn't have
cellular.
And even something like that.
And at that time having a Windows laptop, the communication between the two of them,
it was there.
There you go.
There's iTunes, but it was shocking.
When I first got on Mac, it was like, oh yeah, crack on.
The communication between devices is unmatched.
I think it's genuinely unmatched.
They have cracked that in a way that no one else has.
And you know, and incrementally, yeah, they've taken over.
You know, I ended up, then it was like, oh, okay.
And then especially with photography, like the screen quality, again, I don't, I think
the Retina as much as you can get very, very high quality and it's not in across the board,
like you say, for gaming and stuff.
Of course, yes, PC has that down and you know, the screens and stuff.
But I do think that the Retina screen is mad.
I can't describe it any better than that.
Like you agree with me, right?
Like that.
Is it patent?
Yeah.
Retina.
Yeah.
It's, I cannot describe the difference that it makes.
You might as well be looking at the real photograph in terms of editing and photographs and stuff.
It's nuts.
It is absolutely nuts.
And I just think going forward, that's only going to grow.
You know, and I think even something like giving into the whole, I mean, I know they
didn't have a choice, but like the USB-C thing, you know, it will get to a point where you're
going to have like one power cord for everything and be able to chop and change with what you're
doing.
You know, we're sat here now and the phones that we have are meeting it even now, even
with what we've got now and the relatively old things like power, power wise and hardware
wise, it is becoming the scales are starting to tip.
If not already, like we're years behind essentially what is out now.
It's going to blow our fucking minds when we do get new phones.
I think.
Yeah.
But yeah, I also feel like it's a, it's very specifically down to the user in that.
So like this laptop, for example, fucking 1800 quids worth of a laptop.
And I don't know half the shit that it can do half of it, even down to something as simple
as overclocking the GPU and the CPU.
You can do that manually on this.
I have no idea how that works.
I don't know what that does.
So I'm not even squeezing every ounce of fucking power out of that.
Same with my phone, same with your phone.
You'll obviously be far more, I feel like technologically advanced than I am when it
comes to that sort of stuff, especially like settings wise and, and, and like gimmicky
things that the normal user might not necessarily know about.
But if you hand me a brand new iPhone, I'm not going to use 70% of the features that
are in it because I don't know how to use them.
And I'm so used in my, of my mindset and how I use a phone that unless it, unless it makes
my life a hell of a lot easier, chances are I'm not going to use it.
Like the voice assistant, I'm sure there's a lot of people that love that, never fucking
use it.
You can have that.
So you've got two separate windows open at the same time.
So I can have YouTube playing in one half of the screen and then everything else in
the other half of the screen.
I'm sure there's people that use that all the time.
Never used it.
I got into it like twice, didn't like it, get me the fuck away from it.
I'm not touching that.
I'm not bothered by it.
So it's, well, yes, having new phones will blow your minds.
I feel like your mind is going to be blown more than mine is because as long as I can
fucking get Google maps up and then all of my apps that are currently on that phone will
go onto the next phone and I can use them the same way I'm using them now.
I'm fine.
Everything else is a plus.
But then in that mind, then why do you want the top one?
Just because mine's getting fucking old and dying.
Well, yeah, but why not just get a lower one that's new?
Or do you use it because it's just that like...
No, because it's...
You don't use the features until you have them.
Having access to the features is how you...
No, it is though, is how you get...
You have to be given something in order to be able to get used to it.
No, you know what I mean?
I do.
That fucking little slidey button on the new iPhone, amazing, wonderful thing.
But until I give that to you, you don't know how good that is.
Yeah, if you're going to use it a lot.
Someone has to fucking use it for you to know how good it is.
People have used the newer phones that we're looking into and are saying how good they
are.
So you want to upgrade...
Do you mean in the sense of say like on your phone, you've got maybe what?
A thousand photos, not even that.
Probably some higher.
So I have maybe like nearly 60,000 photos.
So you think, okay, on a base data level, I'm probably going to use the camera more.
And I think, yeah, I mean, there's probably people that have bought your laptop and it's
like Graham from accounts and he just reads his emails on it and then turns it off again.
But he's just like, oh, I like that one.
That kind of thing.
I see what you mean.
It's going to be different.
A lot of people use their phones for a lot of different things.
Like I use mine for work.
For everything I do at work, I use on my phone.
I can get a work phone, but I can't be asked to carry two phones around.
So I use navigation a hell of a lot on my phone, Google Maps and trying to pinpoint
locations and look at things and then flicking between different apps and files and shit
and writing stuff down and trying to copy stuff.
So whilst I don't have to take photos for work, but whilst I don't use the camera a
lot, there's other things that I do on my phone that you might not specifically do.
You open up Google Maps on my phone, like if there was able to be a data thing, I guarantee
you I'm using Google Maps more than you are.
So I'll be having to deal with a lot more niggly things that you might necessarily not
have to deal with because you're not opening maps every single day that I am.
Would you want a bigger screen one?
Yes, 100%.
Yeah.
I'd want a bigger screen because of things like maps and because it seems so trivial,
but when you're having to do it every single time, like the play, we go all around London,
every single underground station there is we go to.
And like me and Connor know maybe 90% of them, but there's always that one station that might
catch you out.
And it's, I don't have to, but I want to look on Google Maps or a satellite photo and something
and see, be able to zoom in and see details and figure stuff out.
And let's say with the work that we do, just having a phone that's more capable of doing
the like admin side of shit, which you think every phone can do that, but the phone's old.
Yeah.
I want a new phone.
All right.
You're listening.
I want one.
Yeah.
Do you know what I hate about Google Maps?
I've got rid of the go button.
I put work in and then click go and it would tell me how long it would take me to get to
work and they fucking got rid of it.
No, that's still there.
No, it's not.
Yeah.
You just don't have to hover over it anymore.
What do you mean?
Well, I'll show you.
No, it just says you now.
It used to say go.
And now it says you.
What do you mean go?
It used to say go and I could click work and it would go.
So you mean like work?
No.
And then start?
No, I don't have that.
Yeah, but you're using a fucking iPhone as well.
So Google Maps is different.
Right.
But the point is it used to be there and now it's not.
We're still there for me.
No, it's not.
What are you after?
There was a button here that said go and I had work on it.
Yeah.
And I didn't have to press all these fucking buttons to get to see how long it would take
me to get to work.
I should just be able to click go and it would tell me when I would fucking get there.
I would press go and it would say.
Yeah, they just move and then work.
That's exactly the same thing that you're saying right now.
You're a bumhole.
So yeah.
No, yeah, but I don't have that.
I don't want to go to the chemist.
Right, everyone.
It's been lovely speaking to you.
We'll catch you later.
Uru.
Good job.