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Hello, welcome to episode 103.
Whoa.
I think 103.
Fantastic.
Steph's joined us, as you can hear.
And I haven't told, I haven't told Steph what we're going to talk about.
Because I'm going to assume that what I want to talk about is going to be enough of a conversation
starter between the pair of us that we'll just be able to roll with it through the entire
episode.
You reckon?
Of which we've done in the past.
Okay.
Now, I'll do the prologue.
Okay.
The prologue to it.
I feel like we, so as gamers, I grew up in a, on my own, on an only child.
Yep.
Just me and my mama.
So naturally when it comes to gaming, I wasn't having to fight over console time.
And as a direct result of that, I am able to stink in, stink in, stink in them hours.
I'm able to sink in long hours of gaming without fatigue because that's all I would ever do.
And as another result of being an only child, I'm not that good at watching other people
play games because I immediately want to play the game myself.
Okay.
Which isn't good.
Whereas you on the other hand, pardon me, grew up with siblings and as we've established,
Jesus.
Are you, are you well?
I'm good.
As we've established.
This will be my final podcast.
That's salmon.
Just had half a salmon for dinner.
It did expire in April, but we won't worry about that.
Yeah, but it was frozen.
So yeah.
Fine.
I mean, you're very much able and find enjoyment from watching people play games.
Yeah.
And I find the idea of that so alien, but at the same time, I love it because it's almost
like we're, we're meant to be because I love playing the games and you love watching the
games.
Not to say that you don't play an obscene amount of games because you definitely do.
I would love to do a tally of who's played like the most games because I feel like, I
feel like there's a potential that it might be you as opposed to me because I feel like
you play a lot more, not obscure, but more mainstream games, but also a lot more indie
games than I will ever play, which I'm trying to get into the world of indie games because
I find I've got, I've got world of warcraft as my main bread and butter always will be,
always has been, but I do quite enjoy jumping off and playing smaller titles like, like
dredge.
I was about to say it takes two, but I don't really think you can consider that as a smaller
title.
I think it was a smaller title, but it's kind of popularity.
And then things like limbo inside just bought Bramble as well.
All very similar, like horror esque type indies.
So yeah, I'm trying to get into that, that world.
The whole point of this conversation and we are, we are getting there is we've played
many games together.
I can't think of any off the top of my head.
Well, what do you mean in situations where like I've been your sort of wingman?
Yes.
That's the, yes.
Not games we played together.
We've, we've, we've experienced many games together is the right word.
And so the last of us part two, um, I started playing that without Steph and I got about
an hour in and then decided, no, let's wait.
And then I only played it when you was with me.
I feel like that's why it felt like it took so long to complete because at that point
I wasn't living with you and I'd only see you on the weekends.
So I feel like that's why in my head, it feels like it was like an 80 hour game when you
look at it and it was actually, what was it like 20 to 30 hours, something like that.
Because remember when we were like, Oh God, cause I looked up how long you play as Abby
and we were like, Oh, and you played for like, I think it was like 22 hours as Abby or something
like that.
But actually we ended up loving it.
I could have been completely wrong on that play time.
I bothered.
It was quite long, but still, yeah, like you were sort of forced to sort of slow down than
you otherwise would have.
If you have been playing alone, you probably would have been not rinsing it per se, but
probably getting through it a lot quicker.
The last part two remastered is about 22 and a half hours.
Oh God, maybe it's not that long.
In length.
If you're a gamer that strives to see all aspects of the game, you are likely to spend
around 40 hours to obtain completion.
That sounds about right.
20 hours on one, 20 hours on the other or thereabouts.
And then you have games like large, large snippets of Elden Ring, a lot of the Assassin
Creed that we've played like Mirage, fucking God forbid old Origins.
However, now this is where this is the meat of the conversation.
Arguably the best game that we have ever played and it was you as my wingman and me as the
player.
And I'm sure you will agree.
Detroit become human.
And here is dinner served.
Yeah.
Oh, how good was that?
Yeah.
Oh, if you could have solved that as an experience, because it was almost like, here we go.
It was like the decisions that you have to make in that game, just your own mind is hard
enough.
But then you've got like, like the pair of us as a collective mind.
And you've got to work out what to do.
Like the flow chart and you'd get to the end and you'd realize you missed half of it.
Yeah.
All the different things that you could have done.
We finished it and I had work the following day and I was working at a place where I was
starting at like three, four in the morning and it was way past the time that I was supposed
to be going to bed.
And I was like, I have to finish this.
We have to get this done.
I think in hindsight, by the time we was finished, it was like quarter past 10.
It wasn't that late, but for the time that I was getting up, it was.
And God, such a good game.
So fucking incredible for the, for the people that, uh, that will listen to this.
If you have never played Detroit become human, I out of all the games that I have ever played,
I play it because I just don't get how you can describe how good it was.
If you could, if you could play it again, like it would, you know, you think like it
would have to be one of those ones.
I want my memory like wiped clean and then to experience it again, like replaying it.
And I think I did try and sort of replay it to kind of, you know, choose different stuff.
And it was like, no, it just doesn't, it's not hitting the same.
It's arguably more collaborative than when we played the quarry.
Yeah.
And yeah, that's where we had like, cause that was like a parcel controller thing, wasn't
it?
Yeah.
Yeah, it was.
And I don't, I did enjoy that.
I didn't think that was quite good because that was, I want to say you bought it for
you and Mark and then you realized you couldn't really play it.
We couldn't, we couldn't play it.
It was actually better as a couch co-op.
Yeah.
That it was, it was designed as a couch co-op.
And that was actually very unique in its, in its own way in that, yeah, it, it wasn't
quick, here's the controller, like make a decision.
It was, okay, you're playing this section now.
And it prompts and pass the controller to play it.
So, and then you pass it over.
And that was, I would like there to be more games that would incorporate that because
it, it, it for, it didn't force you to play together.
But what it meant is that when you wanted to play together, rather than someone playing
a portion of the game and then almost feeling bad and going off, I can go like, we're playing
this together.
You, you play the game itself says, right, you fucking stop, you play, get fucked up
and then you can play and then you can play very, very nice feature to have for couch
co-op.
She's very nice, very nostalgic, nostalgic, but with a new take on it.
And that's exactly that.
Cause I mean, I suppose you probably experienced it with like having friends around and stuff,
but couch co-op games or like, what would you call it?
Like split screen, I guess it used to be called, isn't it?
Like split screen.
It was just like a LAN party type thing.
Those kinds of games were more frequently played at my house, probably than at yours.
Yeah.
So yeah, there was that kind of like nostalgia thing or even like, obviously I ended up playing,
I was about to say X No Way Out, but that's the ride at Thorpe Park.
Was it a way out?
A way out.
Have you ever been on X No Way Out?
It's the one that goes backwards in Thorpe Park.
No.
Thrilling.
I've never been in Thorpe Park.
Have you not?
No.
You'd hate it.
It's probably why I've never been.
Anyway, a way out and It Takes Two.
Obviously I ended up playing them with Luce.
Yeah, because me and Mark played a way out and then we played It Takes Two and I don't
have the capacity to play the games again.
No.
And she is my, like I'm the youngest and then you've got Charlotte and then Lou.
So I know you know that better.
And yeah, and that felt like really, really nostalgic because we also actually, you know
Super Mario Galaxy, did you ever play that with a second person?
No.
So what was-
Is that the one that was on the way?
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I never played with a second person.
And basically what the second player did, they didn't necessarily have a character,
but you could just like collect the star bits and you kind of had like some more, it was
like if someone like me, who's like, you know, like we were just saying, sort of a wingman
if you will, or like, oh, look over there or try this or have you thought about that
kind of thing.
It's probably like the only game exists where they've given you like somewhat of a little
physical role.
Yeah.
Because your controller does have a little cursor and you know, you can go round and
round.
Which when you're, you know, however old I was, maybe like 12, was just like perfect.
All I wanted to do, cause like you can do all the hard and stressful bits and I'll just
collect all the stars and stuff.
But like also helping, like as I say, it was just like-
Yeah, it's beneficial.
The perfect kind of game for that.
No risk, all the reward.
Well, yeah.
It's like how, you know, like when they give like kids a little fake steering wheel or
a fake mower.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was kind of like that.
The we equivalent.
Yeah, no, I do think that that is, I wish I like games like the quarry and stuff.
Like I would love to play with like more like that with you.
I think there was, there was, cause I was on the PlayStation store today, just trying
to, trying to find something that, go on.
It reminded me, we did have, we bought them, didn't we?
Which ones?
Oh my God, what are they called?
Something like it never happens or it ends here.
No, it ends with, oh do you know what I mean?
Oh, something like that, rings a bell.
Yeah, and we bought them, but we've not played them yet.
There was a game that I saw that I was going to buy and it has Hopper in it or what's his,
what's his actual name?
Oh, David Harbour.
David Harbour.
He's like the main protagonist in it.
When we're done with this, I'll try and find it.
Yeah.
And then we can have a look, see if that is like a co-op thing or not.
But back to Detroit, become human.
Yeah.
I've got it up on Steam.
Quantic Dream is the developer and the publisher.
It says, Detroit become human puts the destiny of both mankind and androids in your hands,
taking you to a near future where machines have become more intelligent than humans.
Every choice you make affects the outcome of the game.
Which one of the most intricately branching narratives ever created?
With one of the most intricately branching narratives ever created.
And that was released on 18th of June, 2020.
Wow.
I thought it was longer ago.
Yeah, no, that we were in there.
That might be it was released on PC.
Yeah, no, it was definitely before that.
Hold on.
I'd be really shocked if it isn't.
Yeah, 2018.
So it came to PC shortly after.
Ten out of ten on Steam with one hundred and two thousand nine hundred seventy five overwhelmingly
positive reviews.
It was Connor, Alice and then the guy who was in Grey's Anatomy.
So Jesse, Jesse.
No, that was his name in Grey's Anatomy.
I think what we got is a little review from someone graphics.
You forget what reality is.
Gameplay good.
I mean, I thought it was very good.
Eargasm audience, teens, adults, game size, workable difficulty, significant brain usage
grind, nothing to grind story.
It'll replace your life.
Game time is long.
Price worth the price bugs never heard of.
Ten out of ten.
This game taught me that I'm terrible at making decisions under pressure.
One hundred percent.
I think it's easy to be nice to your Alexa.
It's like it is.
We're probably not doing great justice of of explaining the actual gameplay of it, but
it is.
Everything's a decision.
Yeah, it's basically it.
So you're you're essentially following a story of.
Connor's the name, isn't it?
There's three.
There's three interlacing stories.
Yeah.
There's three.
Connor's the the first one.
The detective.
Yeah.
I completely I completely forgot it was interlacing stories.
Yeah.
What's the third guy's name?
We've got Connor, Alice and Alice is one she looks after the little girl and they're trying
to cross the border.
No, no spoilers.
Yeah.
I imagine it's something I mean, did Mark play it?
I think Mark did play it.
Yeah.
There was actually someone, you know, the woman at the start who's like the loading
screen lady.
Yeah.
And you're sort of talking.
She does have somewhat of a small role in it.
And it was just like a clip.
It was like A.I.'s taking over the world.
This is what's next.
And it was they didn't realize that it was a clip from the game.
Of course.
Because obviously she's quite real.
Yeah.
They thought it was the plot follows three androids.
Kara, oh, Kara, who is a little girl is Alice, escapes her own her owner to explore her newfound
sentience and protect a young girl.
Anna, whose job is to hunt down sentient androids and Marcus, who devotes himself to releasing
other androids from servitude.
And yeah, these these these storylines all intertwine and eventually through your decision
decision making, there's a load of different endings.
And like I said earlier, there's like a whole menu of like like a web that shows you all
the different shows you the path you chose.
Yeah.
And it doesn't tell you the possibilities until you like bypass them.
It doesn't tell you.
It just it just has question marks.
Oh, yeah, of course it does.
Yeah.
And the the the gameplay of it is just purely, purely, purely story driven gameplay.
There's no like I have to what you about to say there's no combat.
No.
I would say there's no but there is but only very minimal like free roaming type.
Yeah.
It's free roaming but linear at the same time.
Like it will let you walk around the house and stuff like that.
And it's more like the I seem to remember like with the combat, it was like sort of
sequential buttons that you had to press.
Yeah.
Like it actually utilized.
I wonder that'd be interesting to see how it sort of I know PS5 still has that little
middle bit, but it used that didn't it the PS4 controller touchy pad thing.
Yeah.
Used that quite a lot.
Yeah.
It wasn't it wasn't like the audio in the controller.
Yeah.
It wasn't like a fucking like cod.
You didn't pick up a gun and then pick around a corner and shoot someone.
It would it would it would provide you with actions and every bit of dialogue interaction
would would give would let you respond in a specific way.
And that plotted out it was nothing new.
I mean, that system isn't isn't a new incorporated system into gaming.
What I liked about it so much is that it even though you're at the forefront of how the
game plays out, I felt almost like very relaxed because it's just answering questions and
a little bit of walking around.
Time is a wonderful thing.
No, no, no, no, don't get me wrong.
Tense when you're having to actually answer the questions.
I mean, an enjoyable experience.
Yeah.
Because you could sort of you can just you can just sit back in your chair and you can
just walk around and then when the questions pop up, you can answer them and and bloody,
bloody, blah.
It's not fucking God of War.
Last of us let me fucking run around and do all this crazy shit.
And yeah, just oh, oh, I wish I wish there'd be another one.
I don't know how there would be another one.
I don't know how many endings there were.
Yeah.
Oh, God, I know.
Probably like absolutely fucking loads.
But I suppose it's kind of like I think you could find things that cut a similar mustard.
Something like, say, I don't know, not to harp on about life is strange, but or like
the Telltale games or something like that.
But it was I feel like it was quite refreshing for that kind of genre, wasn't it?
It was a new take on it.
And I think even just having the three like the storylines, they are separate, but they
do.
So there's 85 endings, 85 different endings like they're separate, but they don't not
affect each other.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, like and it kind of might remember because we watched it after the fact,
but remember Humans?
Yeah.
Very, very similar.
It was a television show, which unfortunately got cancelled, but kind of that similar concept,
wasn't it?
Where like this this business of robots then having sentience and especially in like bearing
in mind this was I mean, Humans was probably about 10 years ago.
This was at least sort of six years ago.
Well, you've got like AI robot as well.
AI now.
Yeah.
Okay.
I know how this ends.
But I'm always interested by that by that kind of shit.
Do you not find like, you know, like that robot dog thing, like a robot dog looking
thing.
Yeah.
And they're like kicking it.
Yeah.
And it's like struggling to stand back up.
That makes me feel sick.
Does it?
Yeah.
Why?
Because I just feel so bad for it.
Yeah.
You're just kicking it.
Yeah.
And it cleans up its own oil.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
And I mean, it is gone now.
But what did it finally die?
I think so.
I'm pretty sure it did.
Yeah.
I've been going for ages.
But like that is I don't know.
It does something about it.
It's mechanical sympathy.
Yeah.
It's a I feel like that is why when it comes to things like AI and robots, I would very
much be excited by that purely because if you present me with a robot humanoid, fully
AI brain, basically, that is capable, much like how AI is now of answering the questions
and holding a conversation and things like that.
Yeah.
Even though it's just fucking metal and wiring and electricity, I'm going to consider that
thing sentient.
Well, at the end of the day, what are we?
I know.
Just a bit of meat, really.
And so so you give me this you give me this robot and then turn around and go, you don't
have to care about that.
It doesn't have feelings.
I'll be sitting there going, no, it does.
It does have feelings.
Sorry.
I'm telling you, that robot has feelings.
It's answering the questions like a real person.
Therefore, my monkey brain tells me that's a real person.
Look after it.
But even with cars, mechanical sympathy for cars, hugely huge with with so much stuff,
you just I don't know what it is.
I don't know if that's a if that's a human to robot thing.
I don't know.
Everyone has it.
All with game characters and things like that.
Yeah.
And you just feel very connected, you have a genuine care for for a lot of things that
you that you love.
Well, it's like, you know, I remember I think it's like on holiday and my mum had been playing
on my DS and she accidentally wiped one of my saves.
I was like, oh, God, they're all dead.
Like I should be like, oh, no.
Yeah, it's odd.
And I feel like you're either you're either like that or you're not.
I mean, like, I know.
I'm sure I've said on here before, like, I'm someone who even in games, I do struggle
to be evil.
Fair enough in games where you're like, you're literally, you know, something like Assassin's
Creed.
No, I don't give a shit.
Like, you know, that kind of thing.
Yeah.
But in other in other kinds of games.
Bouldersgate.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I just can't be horrible.
No, I can't do it.
I don't know why I can't.
I can't do it.
No.
And I think even if I'm sorry, even if I were to go on like, OK, on this run, I'm going
to be evil.
I'd be like, well, yeah.
Yeah.
Until you looked at me like that kind of thing.
Because you just like how Ash loves to play the evil person when he's playing a game because
he says he that he's not like he can't be that person in real life.
So therefore in the game, it's your one and only chance to.
He's got an itch to scratch.
Got an itch to scratch.
Whereas myself with with that kind of stuff, I how I'm how I am in person is how I want
to be in the game.
I want to put myself in the game, not in the sense of pure role playing like this is me.
Just the way that my brain works doesn't change because I'm playing a game.
Yeah.
As long as I can operate in the same realms as what my brain would allow me and what the
game allows me, then, yeah, I will try and be I think like, what would I what would I
do?
Not what would this character do?
What would I do?
Because this character is now me.
And like I've been in one.
I can't remember which game it was, but it was this situation where it was like a bit
weird.
But, you know, you kind of all well, you know, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I'll just, you know, I'll go along with it.
And then, yeah, it was like you're fucked because, you know, like, oh, and I probably
would be in real life because, you know, you just I can't.
I'll always try and see like the good in someone rather than.
I feel like I feel like if I was walking down the street and then someone pulled a knife
for me and tried to rob me.
I don't talk about that, please.
Someone pulled a gun and tried to shoot me.
That's not that's not better.
OK, someone tried to run me over.
Something's happened.
Right.
I feel like.
I would I would my instant thought would be what's happened for you to want to do this.
Would it?
I think so.
I do think so, because.
I don't want to die.
But at the same time, I don't think anyone anyone really wants to try and kill someone
to rob them for their wallet.
There's a reason why someone's doing that.
Put the knife down.
Give me a hug and I'll fucking bash you for trying to take my wallet.
Let's talk about this.
No, don't take it.
And that's why I have nightmares about people stabbing you.
I had a dream last night that someone was stabbing me.
Oh, funny.
Funny.
Oh, was it?
Top left of my chest.
Right.
Yeah, I was fuming.
Oh, I was so angry because he come at me with a knife in the dream.
And I was angry.
Maybe maybe.
Real, did it?
Yeah, maybe.
But but so did reactions.
Listen to the reactions.
OK, maybe this is why what I've just said is absolute bollocks, because he come up with
a come at me with a knife.
And my immediate reaction was to grab hold of the knife and try and take it like basically
try and snap his wrist and I was just shouting at him because I couldn't believe this guy
was about to try and stab me.
He then proceeds to stab me like maybe 10 times in the top left of my body.
I was so fucking angry.
I was so and then I woke up.
What felt fine?
No pain.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I woke up, had a drink and went straight back to bed.
But I was so furious.
How dare you?
Well, I mean, how dare you?
Steph's going to be so angry.
So angry and in case anyone's wondering why my reaction was just then, because I had a
nightmare the other night that someone was trying to stab Reese and woke up and was crying
and like gasping.
Reese was like, stop it, stop it, go to sleep.
Yeah.
But you know what?
The other dream I had and I have so many like probably like twice a year and like my mouth
is full of something and I'm constantly like spit like trying to get it out and I can't
get it out.
Horrible.
Like imagine like that's probably fluff.
You probably realize that that's that's like where we've got the fan on your mouth.
It's mega dry.
It is.
But it's like imagine just constantly trying to get it out and it's just constantly full
and that's the whole dream.
There's probably some like weird psychological thing there.
But yeah, like I longed, you know, I dreamt that I was naked on a stage.
That seems like such a sedate dream.
I dreamt I had my fucking legs cut off and fed to me.
Yeah.
It's just a dream of a madman.
I wonder, I wonder how a game would play out if it was if it was all centered around someone
going to sleep.
Could you imagine like, you know how the animus would work?
Yeah.
And I know there's some sort, you know, you can you can do like the the VR where you're
on a like a hoist on you.
You're on a like a treadmill on like a 360.
Yeah, yeah.
Like that's kind of like getting there.
But imagine like something, you know, technology advances to the point where it is like the
animus and you're laying down and then like as far as you're concerned, you're literally
in, you know, 1798 in the middle of fucking Italy and you're this and the other.
Like that kind of thing would be so crazy.
Like you close your eyes and when you wake up, you are literally it's not and you don't
get like motion sick from the VR or anything like that.
Imagine if you just didn't wake up low.
What do you mean?
Well, I'm in the animus.
OK, laid down.
Yeah.
Lay in this animus race and we'll send you.
No, we'll send you back to like you become like an ancestor, I guess.
Yeah, something like that.
We'll send you back to whenever and then you're you're aware that you're in the animus.
Well, I suppose no, you're not because in Assassin's Creed, when they go back in the
animus, they're not aware that they're in the animus.
Yeah, they are.
No.
Yeah, like Desmond, he knew what Ezio was doing.
He knew what he was doing as Ezio.
Yeah, but yeah, but Ezio didn't know that he was.
Oh, sorry.
He didn't realize that he was Desmond.
No, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah, sorry.
He went and became Ezio, but Ezio didn't he became Ezio.
And in doing so, Ezio didn't realize that he was.
You were viewing Ezio's memories.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
I suppose.
Yeah, because you didn't become that.
But you did become that person, because then when Desmond come out of the animus, he towards
the end, he had the the parkour skills and the combat skills and everything like that.
And that was, I believe, the original premise of like, you know, when it would be like,
don't alert the guards or like use the smoke bombs.
It was something like that because you were had to complete the memory how Ezio did it.
Otherwise you'd desynchronize, wouldn't it?
So like, don't get caught, don't get seen.
Yeah.
Don't kill this person because you didn't.
And if you did that, you couldn't change history.
Yeah.
What was it for?
Oh, like dreams.
Sit in the animus.
I'll send you back in time.
Decent.
All right.
Now, am I aware when I woke up when I wake up in seventeen hundreds that I'm currently
in the animus and I've been sent back in time and I'm exploring this world?
Are you asking me?
Yes.
Oh, yes.
OK, so I'm aware.
Well, then that must be terrifying and exciting at the same time, because then you must have
that thought of what if I just don't wake up?
I'm just stuck here permanently in an animus.
I just couldn't do the toilets.
You know, that's what would break it for me.
I would imagine that you just wouldn't go to the toilet.
Or would you?
Or what if you're like, never nap again.
Brush your teeth.
Stub your toe.
Probably get some sort of infection.
Die from it.
Yeah, but you wouldn't get there because you're not.
Are you immortal when you're in?
Well, no, because you die.
That's the thing, every time you die, it would come up, play a desynchronized, wouldn't it?
Yeah, and then you just come back and you go, oh, fuck.
Fuck that up.
But it would be, you'd be reliving memories.
You wouldn't be able to go back as a new person or take over someone.
It would have to be that you would just be like with the actual animus, you're just reliving
someone's existence, because then the butterfly effect would take over.
Everything's going to be fucked up.
That's the other thing, the show that we actually didn't finish watching with Chloe Moretz in
it.
You know that thing?
I can't remember what it's called.
I stepped on a squirrel and now everyone shits out peanuts for fun.
No, that's not what it was called.
No, no, I mean, you know what I mean?
You know what I'm saying?
Yes.
But you know, and she had that weird thing and it was making her like nosebleed and shit.
Oh, yeah.
She was from like a random little town.
Yeah, we never finished it.
And she was like weird.
But it was quite, it had promise.
It did have promise.
But it was, her body was being like affected by the fact that she was being, it was almost
like she was getting to, I feel like it was getting to the point where she was going to
be able to traverse the two without having the thingy thingy.
Do you know the Black Mirror episode where they do that, isn't it?
And they're in space and it's Jesse from Breaking Bad.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, and they've got like an avatar in space and then their real body's on earth.
Yeah, and then he's with that other geyser, isn't it, and then it all kicks off.
Because isn't it, he...
You can't then go back, he couldn't go back to his physical body.
So he was, his mind was stuck in space.
Yeah, and he took over, didn't he?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was a good episode though.
And that's most probably exactly what would happen.
And then you get like really, like when you get really paranoid about leaving your, like
leaving your actual body.
Well, that is what the story was, wasn't it?
That he was paranoid that he was going to get fucking done in.
You would, wouldn't you?
Well, no, without spoiling it, he did.
Didn't he?
His wife and kid got...
He just spoiled it.
Sorry.
Yeah.
But you would, wouldn't you?
Everything was well.
I'm in the International Space Station with one other person.
Well, isn't there people stuck there right now?
There's literally people who are stuck on the space station right now.
Possibly?
Yeah, no, they've got like a couple of weeks left, I think.
They're in real trouble.
What?
Yeah, they can't get back.
It's something to do with Boeing.
Oh, of course it fucking is.
Yeah.
I mean, so I think it's a man and a woman and they're stuck on the, they're stuck on
the space station.
International Space Station.
Stranded Boeing astronauts are stuck on International Space Station, NASA says in an urgent update.
The two astronauts stranded are still not able to come home, NASA said.
Two astronauts went to space, went to the space station almost 50 days ago as part of
a test of Boeing's Starliner capsule, but the spacecraft was plagued by problems both
before and after the launch.
And since then, engineers have delayed the return until they can understand what went
wrong.
The work is still not finished and the space agency cannot give a date for them to come
back.
On an update on Wednesday, test pilots Butch Wilmore and Sonny Williams were supposed to
visit the orbiting lab for about a week and return in mid-June, but thruster failures
and helium leaks on Boeing's new Starliner capsule prompted NASA and Boeing to keep them
up up there longer.
Wow.
Not ready to announce a return date.
We'll come home when we're ready.
Creepy, isn't it?
Just gone up there to have an affair.
Yeah, turning around there, they're leaking the helium out of the edge of the thing.
NASA had initially said that the spacecraft would be safe for a 45 day stay, though the
astronauts have now been in space for longer than that.
The space agency has said it would be possible to stay for twice that and that when the spacecraft
goes into full usage, it is approved to stay for as long as 21 days.
NASA is last week completed testing on a space ruster in New Mexico, there's it's trying
to understand what went wrong during docking and to prepare for the trip home.
That's crazy.
Could you imagine having to get back in there going like, yeah, well, I mean, we're pretty
sure it's fixed now, but we run out of time really.
So if like, if you don't hop back on, you're probably going to like die anyway.
So in you get, I mean, it must be well nerve wracking.
I just think that what I turn this episode is I just think what a mind.
It's very spacey, futuristic theme.
Yeah, any of the flat earthers listening going none of this is real.
You can fuck off.
All right.
If you're listening going and it's your bollocks, look in the mirror, really understand what
you're looking at and fuck off.
All right.
Because you're living in a weird land.
Okay.
Now, now with the normal people that are in the real world, I can't get my head over the
fact of being in space.
No, it's mad.
I cannot, I cannot comprehend that.
Like you look far enough and it goes dark.
I know.
Obviously not with our eyes, but like.
Or when we let Rue out and for ages, I must look like an absolute Neanderthal because
for ages I catch myself where I'm just staring up at the stars.
I love it.
For about five minutes just staring and I'm like, ah, this is mental.
And this is genuinely mental.
Or just staring at the moon and seeing the craters on it and going, fuck.
Like the just endless expanse of space.
And then you're like, oh, council tax.
You know what I mean?
Like, oh, you know, someone was nasty to me at school.
Like it's literally just like, what the fuck.
I'm going to look up at the stars.
Oh, these days at the bins go out.
Millions and billions of years old and untold mysteries that I'm currently staring at with
probably things staring back.
And all I can think of is that I'm in East Putney tomorrow and how long of a drive is.
Yeah, yeah.
Doesn't matter.
It does.
So turning around and saying like the universe is so big, like your problems aren't aren't
really problems.
You know, they are because I'm here.
Of course they are.
I'm here.
They're my problems.
I can't just say, well, Mars exists.
Therefore, I don't have to pay this mortgage because we're in the universe.
Like, I'm not paying today because there's a black hole out there.
I'm not doing it.
All right.
I'm not doing it.
It's just it's just it's so mad.
It's so mad.
I forgot what I was just about to say.
It's crazy.
Oh, that's it.
But like the cutest thing like about humans is to go like, oh, yeah, all this stuff, like
everything we've just said.
And then you go, but we're definitely the only ones like we're probably going to be
the only ones.
And everyone.
They're all aliens.
And if they're aliens, they've probably got like no legs and they're all just here.
They don't even speak.
And they just clearly just, you know, walk around the planet and don't have, you know,
what we have.
They don't have like their version of the iPhone or anything like that.
That is so dumb.
Like, of course, there's shit out there.
We can't even see the edge of our own galaxy.
Never mind the other fucking like billion trillion, like whatever galaxies there are.
My argument has always like our own solar system.
My argument has always been that as humans and life form on this planet, we require specific
conditions to be able to to thrive and stay alive like oxygen.
Yes.
Carbon life forms.
My argument for it has always been, well, what if other things in space just aren't
made the same as we are?
They just don't need things like oxygen or water.
What if they need other things?
That's very possible.
How can you think of like how I mean, all of the depictions in Hollywood and stuff of
everything else and being, you know, it's always that we're being like overrun or they're
trying to attack us or whatever.
But then you kind of go like.
They're probably they they're has there has to be like not a not necessarily like a parallel
universe, but like there has to be something just like this.
We can't believe that we're the only ones that go like, oh, oh, that this was really
wide.
What can we do to get across it?
Oh, I know.
What if we build something?
We'll call it a bridge and we'll do that kind of shit like it has to be just out there
somewhere like they've got no interest in coming to us.
I thought like what really frightened me, though, was it was a little while ago, probably
maybe like last year, and they were like, yeah, we've sent some messages out saying
like, you know, get in touch.
Why?
Shut up.
I run with the idea.
Stop poking everybody.
I run with the idea that we have been visited and are still visited many, many, many, many,
many times by a much more sophisticated and intelligent life form.
And we are essentially being kept as as not prisoner.
But I feel like other other life has come to has come to this planet and gone.
They're not ready.
They're not ready for us because all they do is all they do is kill each other.
Yeah, it's all they do.
They're not.
They aren't ready.
They're prepared to blow up their own planet over things that don't matter.
They're not ready.
I mean, honestly, just take us out.
But that is but that's exactly take us all out.
But that's just exactly what I said.
But on a much grander scale of just because the universe exists, it doesn't mean that
my little problems aren't problems because they're problems for me.
Imagine if imagine if aliens on a different planet have knowledge of the entire universe.
To understand just how vast and how much shit is going on.
They would probably look at our planet and go, what the fuck are they worrying about?
Look at all the shit that they've got around them.
We don't know about that.
So here's a nuke.
I'm going to blow you up.
But then don't you love it like you would you would imagine you don't go to a prison
and go, I'm going to live there.
You go, keep them there.
I'm staying away.
But do you not think that like fundamentally as a race like we are I do think that humans
are cute.
I mean, when you think like I know there's all the dickheads and the dictators and the
you know, murderers and whatever.
But like we just like to have a chat and laugh.
Have a little sing song.
I always find it weird how we're all so so unique.
But then you look at other animals and they're just not.
But then I think we are polar bears.
They all look the same.
Yeah, but then like chavs, they all look the same.
Okay.
You go to a club in Basildon, everyone's wearing a tight fucking t shirt and them little skinny
checkered chinos.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
All ready to go.
Everyone on love.
Rose tattooed on the hand.
Basically between.
Could you look at a cast from Love Island that you didn't watch?
Not like the handful of ones that we did watch.
Just love on that we didn't watch.
They literally look related.
Yeah.
They go for the same demographic.
And that's the same.
I think and that's not me just attacking like people like that.
It's the same like emo people or you know any any kind of like.
That's not me attacking the pretty people.
There's the ugly ones as well.
I've been there.
Okay.
I've been called a man in Disneyland Paris.
I've been called a woman before when I had long hair years ago when I was getting ready
to get off a train and there was a there was a dad there and his little son.
And he yeah the doors open he said let the lady go.
Oh fuck.
Thanks mate.
Oh bonjour ladies.
Oh sorry and gentlemen.
I didn't eat my breakfast.
Not gonna only rise today.
And this is why the aliens won't bother.
But yes yes I.
But then we're aliens then.
I know.
We're aliens.
You can't.
I mean that is that is as long as we're not in some form of simulation.
Every single.
Don't start doing that.
Every single idea is just as as plausible as every other idea.
Just one else is playing Detroit with us.
Yeah.
Just like how we were talking about the lottery yesterday and that picking numbers one two
three four five six.
It's just as good as picking random numbers.
It's the same fucking probability.
It doesn't seem like that but it is.
And it's it's the same with this in that.
Yeah.
There's as much chance that we are in a simulation as there is that we're not.
OK.
And I you know I mean because how how can you prove it.
You can't prove that.
Don't.
Yeah.
But then because then you're going to go OK.
Well do you not have free will then.
Do you not think that you have free will.
No I don't think that I do.
To be fair.
No because you are guided or we are anyway.
And I know there are people that aren't and that's why most of them are in prison.
But we are guided by things like karma or empathy sympathy feelings trauma trauma.
I mean I'm standing at a set of lats.
I'll be standing at a set of lats.
I'm standing.
I'm standing at a set of traffic lights.
Right.
Why are you standing?
There's an old I'm waiting for them to go green.
You're a pedestrian.
I'm a pedestrian.
Right.
OK.
There's an old lady standing next to me.
There's a fault in the back of your mind that says push her.
Just push her.
Right.
But if I had free will I'd push her.
Don't worry about the consequences you push her.
But it's the other part of your brain that goes no that's bad.
Don't do that.
Don't let the intrusive thoughts kick in.
If you really had free will your brain's coming up with those kind of thoughts it would act
on them.
Because where are those thoughts coming from?
It's all your brain.
The naughty bit of your brain.
The naughty bit of my brain says push the old lady.
And that's why I always stand behind back to the wall on a tube platform.
Should anyone else be battling with the internal thoughts.
The call of the void.
Yeah.
Why was I talking about free will?
Oh my god this episode is just so not gaming orientated.
Yeah.
The first half of it was.
I believe in the very very first blurb of what's the buttons it says gaming and like
general chit chat or something like that.
Oh there you go.
I believe we're in the general chit chat section.
Here's the general chit chat section.
I just think that space is so fascinating.
I think people come to expect it when you and I are on here.
I want no man's sky.
Yeah.
Put it in real life.
Would you if you could if they you know something like I don't know Wally you know when they
basically go well this planet's fucked everyone get on this big ship and we'll go and like
fuck up another planet.
Or like they say there was an option to go or like passengers with Chris.
Is it fleshed out and will it actually work.
I'm not jumping in like fucking SpaceX and then hoping they don't blow up.
The point being is would you go.
Would you go.
Would I go.
What's the family situation like.
Oh am I on my own.
Or is it just you and me.
If Ru's still knocking about I can't leave her.
No she can come.
I wouldn't want to do that to her though.
She'll be grand.
She'll be alright.
What are we dying from.
No no no no no no no no that's not what I mean.
Oh this is just a genuine choice.
Do you want to go to Tenerife or do you want to go to fucking Pluto.
Which one?
No I mean like they've they've like established another planet and you know there's like a
resort on there all inclusive.
Oh yeah 100 percent I'm taking the trip.
Yes would you.
Yeah.
What if it takes you a year to get there.
But the ship's like decent.
It's like a cruise ship.
Again I don't want to leave the dog.
OK the dog is fine.
The dog's fine.
The dog can come.
The dog isn't isn't isn't an issue here.
Yeah she can come.
OK.
She's fine.
She'll be absolutely fine.
They've made it like dog safe.
Dogs love it.
Yeah.
Yeah I would.
Yeah.
Because why would you not.
Oh man.
Travel for a year.
Yeah but you're traveling through space.
Yeah.
That's never that's not going to get boring.
Have you ever seen a single space movie where they're like everything goes fine.
No troubles.
Nothing happens.
Definitely no arc reactor that's malfunctioned.
Yeah but planes also crash.
Yeah I don't like them either.
I don't like them either.
But you're still getting a car.
Yeah.
It's that comfortability if it was if it was if you if your mind was comfortable with it
then yeah yeah of course I would.
100 percent.
And this actually is funny because I listen to my audio book in the car.
I wonder if Connor because Connor listens to audio books doesn't he.
If he feels the same when you listen to a particular like interesting bit of the audio
book it really brings to the forefront of my mind.
God if I crash now like so help the paramedics that come and help me because if my car is
still playing this audio book I'm going to be so embarrassed.
Like do you know what I mean.
Well it does it does carry on.
Although you say that but I started chatting to Meg about it and she said when she flipped
her car the music stopped.
Yeah probably because the battery fucking because the car probably.
She said it was a 21 pilot song and then yeah I mean her car yeah her car did break.
Her car died but I've but I remember seeing a I remember seeing a video ages ago of someone
asking that question and they they had a car crash and they said no I can confirm the radio
stays on at the volume that it was on.
But then.
Unless the car cuts out.
Yes I think so when I stole my car it turns off the music.
Oh well it doesn't in the van.
Oh yeah no I'm pretty sure if I stole my car it's yeah it stops.
Yeah probably because it cuts out the whole vehicle.
That probably might allay my fears because there's some parts of that audio book that's
like I get even embarrassed at the fact that the dash cam can hear it.
I'm like oh dash cam don't listen.
Why?
It's just parts of the book that just like very NSFW.
Yeah.
I don't know.
We'll leave you with all them faults eh.
Wait so other than wow what games are you playing this week?
Bramble.
Bramble I played a bit of Dead by Daylight today.
Did you?
How was that?
Did Mark play?
I wanted to play the 2v8 mode because it's a limited event until the 8th of August.
And did you play with someone you didn't know?
Like is that what you did?
Yeah I played as a survivor.
Oh okay.
To see how it went.
In a team of eight?
Yeah yeah yeah.
Did you win?
Yeah yeah it was very easy.
It was good.
It was fun but at the same time it was I don't know I don't really know what I was expecting
because it's just exactly the same as normal Dead by Daylight just more people.
No it's not a bigger map.
There's more Jennys.
Do you?
It's so weird my very very first like introduction to Dead by Daylight you actually couldn't
join a game because there were so few players.
Isn't that why you were like yeah I don't think it's got much more in it to be honest
there's no one playing it.
How Dead by Daylight has had the resurgence that it's had because I remember when it first
came out it was popular and then it more or less died and then just fucking come straight
back so props to the developers for keeping that one fucking going because it is very
popular now.
Yeah and like being able you know how they got in like they had the Stranger Things characters
they've got stuff like that.
Lara Crofts in it now?
Yeah like I reckon that's probably got something to do with it.
There's a lot because you think the horror movie genre is incredibly large and there's
so many iconic characters from Freddy Krueger to fucking Leatherface.
There's just the Xenomorph even the fucking Demogorgon.
There's so much shit and yeah like they're one of the only games that can really really
tap into that with a replayable thing other than like a skin on COD or fucking Fortnite
or some shit like that.
Dead by Daylight does it really really well and they do the skins and everything really
well but they're on the PlayStation Store at the moment like all of them and there's
just so many that because obviously I haven't played it for quite a long time.
There's just so much cool shit and that has to be the thing that's kept them but I don't
know what it is about it because it's such a simple game and yet I've put so many hours
into that game and can quite happily pick it straight back up and just continue playing
for another couple of hours and then let it go for another couple of months and then back
in again.
It's simplistic nature but I don't know.
It's just a very fun game but yeah I played that for a bit and it was good.
It wasn't overwhelming.
It wasn't underwhelming.
I think it's something that as killers you and Mark would enjoy I think.
Yeah because Mark told me to play as a killer and see how it is but I forgot to because
I didn't actually see if you can I would imagine you can queue up like with a friend as both
the killers which I feel like would be a very cool element to it because you've never been
able to do that.
No.
You've always been able to queue up with as a friend as a survivor but you've never been
able to have two killers and you've never unless you've been really lucky been able
to play as one killer and then one survivor.
Back in the day you used to be able to do that quite easily because there were so few
people playing that someone decided to be a killer and someone decided to be a survivor
which is what we did quite often queue at the same time and most of the time you would
be put in the same lobby so you could run around and not fucking yeah I'm gonna fucking
do you in.
So yeah that's about it really.
I've been mainly playing like I've got like handgripped like crack out the PSP.
Well you've been playing ESO.
I have been playing ESO and it felt really good actually.
Yeah.
It was nice.
Yeah.
Mainly just learning what the fucking buttons are again.
What's with the resurgence on that one?
What's made you fucking scratch that itch?
I don't know.
You know like when you get in that lull and nothing feels like nothing's getting it and
I don't know I just just like I bought I bought a little solid state drive to try and get
Baldur's Gate on my computer and it didn't wait I mean I can't remember what I did.
I basically just changed my mind I think or I did it and it was like pretty shit and I
was like realistically I've got other options I'm not gonna take up this space.
So it's kind of just sat there and I'd wiped the ESO off earlier in the year and yeah I
just thought fuck it go again and it runs really well like runs as well as it ever did
like from the from the portable drive.
Yeah because I just had a new expansion come out didn't they.
Gold Road.
I mean don't get me wrong I'm not about to drop you know go back into ESO plus or anything
like that because I think it's very especially if you're playing it casually it's not so
I don't think ESO plus is necessarily something you need.
ESO is a very good bang for buck in terms of like immersion and storylines it for the
casual player it's fantastic because everything is fucking voice lined voice acted which I
find so incredible and there's such little pressure I'm envious of it.
I'm envious of the way that you play ESO and any other MMO as to the way that I would play
and do play MMOs because I feel like when I play them my enjoyment at the moment and
for a long time comes from getting to the end game and making that character as powerful
as I as it can possibly be made and doing all of the end game content which in an MMO
is the main goal however there's so much other shit on your way there and then even at the
end you can fucking skip all of that all the dungeons and stuff and I'm just envious of
people that don't have that drive but aren't nearly as worried about that.
Like I've I learnt very quickly to just leave it behind but the first couple of times doing
dungeons it really pissed me off because obviously you have to skip through the dialogue of the
quest because everyone else is fucked off because they've already done it and obviously
once you've then you're back in a dungeon that you've done before and you don't need
to do the quest fine but yeah and then what that then got me into like a bad habit of
doing is just skipping the dialogue on everybody and then I think we both kind of were like
hang on a minute what are we doing but they you know they didn't crack out fucking Michael
Gambon for us to then skip it.
Vestige.
And yeah so and like even just like yesterday I didn't have that long to play it but I was
like oh fuck it and I just went on like did a delve there was a quest there and I listened
to what they were mostly mostly what they were saying until he said well I started to
harp on a bit I was like anyway and then yeah I was like oh well that was a fun like you
know half hour because it was all I really had and then you can just like I feel like
I've you know I've not stopped in the middle of something just a short little bit I've
got some XP you know that kind of shit so yeah I think and now that I have it on there
and it's not it's not you know it's not a choice between because obviously storage is
storage is an issue for me except now it's not so like I'll probably I'll keep that now
and then can just like dabble because I mean like so I wasn't I know like what you did
with the crates and stuff like when we finished and you had we had like a build up of crowns
and obviously you spent all yours and I was just like no I don't like realistically I
know that we're about to both stop playing it I'm just gonna leave them there I'm a spender
man spend it while I can so yeah the the rushing and everything is is it is terrible it's the
it's the reason why why Connor doesn't play World of Warcraft at the moment it's the reason
why when when I finally got him involved and and playing why he dropped out because we
made the mistake of just rushing the geezer through the levels straight into dungeons
just fucking spamming dungeons and it's very much the same thing in ESO as in WoW everyone's
played the dungeons before everyone's just interested in get to the end kill the last
boss get the XP fuck off rinse and repeat yeah because it's a quick way to level yeah
which is that's absolutely fine but for the new player it's dreadful it's fucking awful
and there's no there's nothing in place or there you never used to be that would prevent
that WoW's made some decent changes in the instance of follower dungeons where you can
now go into the dungeons solo and the rest of the party is AI and you can you can toggle
between either having the party go through the dungeon at their will or they won't go
they won't continue unless you continue so that allows you as a new player to get a feel
for the character get a feel for the dungeon no one's rushing you it's the same loot it's
the same XP I think when they first come out I'm not sure if it still is a thing or if
they're going to change it but you could only do 10 a day which to be fair 10 a day is quite
a large amount yeah but it was also only capped out to the dragon flight dungeons so level
60 and onwards everything before then you'd have to do normal queues with normal people
which is when everyone really does fucking rush right through so I'm hoping that when
the war of in comes in that they will make that for every dungeon make them all follower
dungeons because that just allows the solo player to have another chance yeah because
I really want Connor to have another another crack it it was really fun with ash playing
it but like he said it's just not comfortable for him to be able to play on a laptop and
that's his only option to be able to play it whereas Connor he knows that he would love
to play world of warcraft it's just so extremely overwhelming much like how ESO is in that
you've got all these dlcs all these expansions fucking where am I supposed to go someone
turns around and says it doesn't matter do whatever you want to do that's still not enough
no because you've given me a hundred different areas you're telling me none of the matter
I just need to get to this certain point and then I need to go to this zone because this
one matters I I still feel extremely lost because there's all these different systems
wow is terrible for it there's a million different systems and now long redundant that must be
so overwhelming for a brand new character who doesn't have someone that's guiding them
because you'd go well what the fuck is this what is this what there is in well which I'm
going to sign up for is a guide system where like with final fantasy and I think ESO does
have one as well where for new players you can you have your own dedicated chat in game
with mentors so you go in there you ask questions and then they assign people will help you
out and yeah to become one and wow you have to have done 3,000 quests and then be level
70 which I've done so yeah I'm going to become a guide to try and help people out because
I just think that that's the main reason why people struggle with MMOs because there's
so much hard to get into yeah but once you get into them they're fantastic I cannot imagine
being a gamer that doesn't play an MMO I can't fathom it because they're it I mean proof's
in the pudding you like ESO I like ESO you like it more than I do because I'm stuck with
wow but once you know what the fuck's going on oh my god they're incredible because they're
just always something you can go back to and you feel like you're a part of something and
then with the guilds and the communities that you can get involved in with every fucking
MMO like the guild that I'm in now I'm part of something which I hope you would find on
ESO as well just to make it that little bit more inviting but yeah definitely ESO's leaps
and bounds ahead of wow when it comes to why did you jump so much it was your phone really
frightened me proper frightened you it did leaps and bounds ahead of like the new player
experience is still not great but it's definitely ahead of wow but wow's doing a lot of things
to make it a lot better so yeah right shall we go to bed?
Always a pleasure.
Go to sleep.
Yeah actually I might go and watch handmaid sale with mum but at the same time maybe also
is better for her.
Okay for it.
Right thanks for listening everyone see you later.
Uru.
Ur.