1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,280 Welcome to what's the buttons we're live. We're here. Who have I got with 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:16,300 It's a fucking it's a new person on the podcast episode. Oh my god, it's only taken us. What is this? This would be episode 3 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,780 85 oh 4 00:00:18,780 --> 00:00:20,200 my 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,600 God and this is this is Connor by the way. We've done it mom. We're on the pod 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,640 I can unsubscribe and never come ash is in Ireland 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000 And then well 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,160 No, it's not that we didn't want to get Stefan at all. It's just the permission for 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,600 Connor now works with me 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,440 Permanently, so we thought well fuck it. Let's see as he's here 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:51,360 Let's see what happens, but you've been on under the under request that that your your decibels on the old voice oometer 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,520 Increase a little bit because you have a very mundane boring voice 13 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,960 If you 14 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:06,400 We've obviously spoken about you at length before on the podcast. Yeah, call me a prick. Yeah 15 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,200 Connor's our 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,320 in-house 17 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:15,800 D&D dungeon master in-house nerd basically. That's me. Just another one 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,960 I'm not a one DM nerd gamer. Yeah, and I'm hoping that you can bastard man 19 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:24,440 you can impart some some knowledge on this podcast because 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,240 I've got nothing 21 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,480 Any games this week I've done nothing what um, oh 22 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,800 It's a well-needed cup of tea 23 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:45,880 Um, I suppose you can you can jump straight in with I tell you what let's talk about first while it's while it's hot 24 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,880 And heavy because we were talking about earlier 25 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,880 the old 26 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,200 Battlefront fucking 27 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,440 collection it was it the I don't actually know what it's 28 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,120 like the 29 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,000 it's not even called the remaster is it it's basically the 30 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Battlefront classic collection 31 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,880 Edition yeah, that's classic Star Wars. We remaster finally drops everyone hates it. It's not a remaster though 32 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,960 Yeah, we couldn't we couldn't quite work out about was a remaster remake 33 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:20,080 I think from what ash was saying they've slightly tweaked some stuff, but ultimately I think just view it as 34 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,960 It's a copy and paste. Here's an old game. We've just given it to you. Here you go. Have it back type deal 35 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:32,760 It doesn't like in theory. It doesn't sound bad, but then when you literally we've looked earlier and it said 36 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,960 There's bad reviews because they've only got three servers 37 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:42,960 Yeah for the PS the PC version which you think this is a game like they came out what I don't even know how long ago 38 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,000 But I was I remember playing it like at least 20 years ago 39 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,360 And you think there's a long time for nostalgic players like Star Wars. No, it's like, you know 40 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,360 I wouldn't say it's a game that's been around for a long time 41 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,960 It's like Star Wars. No, it's like, you know, I wouldn't say Star Wars is my favorite 42 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:05,320 Like niche little night. It's not nice, but isn't my favorite scene. I like Lord of the Rings and 43 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:12,840 But it's definitely one of the big ones you think there's a lot of people like ash ash, especially there's the Star Wars crazy 44 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:19,200 Yeah, Star Wars diehard fans the even looking back like I remember playing that game when I was a kid 45 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:25,320 I well like ash said it was a this should have been an easy home run 46 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,880 and he also said that the people that were sort of not developing this but 47 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,880 Put in charge of this were a spire which were kicked off for the KOTOR 48 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,160 remake or 49 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,280 There's no what is a cursed aspect of making 50 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:50,000 Star Wars games so it should have been an easy one for them because the building blocks or the games already fucking there 51 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,440 Oh, yeah, the games there haven't they haven't done anything new to it. There's no new maps 52 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:59,160 There's no there's nothing new all they've done is just switch the service back on and apparently they only switched on three of them because 53 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,320 it's bad 54 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:07,440 It was ten thousand players that were that were ready to play day one day one and 55 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:13,880 Yeah, they only had capacity for barely 300 of those players. That doesn't that doesn't seem realistic 56 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:21,640 Like I said to you earlier that compare like helldivers to came out recently and that had a cult following from the last game the 57 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:29,040 Granted they suffered from success and had problems with their servers, but you think this is like by comparison to start the Star Wars game 58 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:33,680 It is say 20 years old with such a following that you would think 59 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:40,200 People were begging for it to be to be remade remastered re I don't know why it weren't fucking remastered or remade 60 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,360 Because I feel like you it that 61 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:50,440 Obviously, I don't know the ins and outs. I'm not I'm not a Star Wars fan myself. However, I can't understand why 62 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,040 Why if you've got people that are begging for that specific game to be remade? 63 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:03,040 Why you wouldn't just go through the slight effort of remastering it at the least rather than remaking it 64 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:09,760 And then releasing that I wouldn't think like you would have had to have done that much like you in theory looking like 65 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:16,760 Remember what I remember like I don't I haven't played it recently and whatever else but the bit like you said all the building 66 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,280 My poster sorry, he's just ruined the place. Mm-hmm 67 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:25,440 the the building blocks were there in terms of the gameplay and the way it all 68 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,240 worked out and like the Galactic Conquest stuff that went with it that 69 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,600 Hmm that you could have just reskinned it kind of like they did with the Tomb Raider 70 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,320 Remastered they did. Yeah, but yeah because that hasn't because I suppose 71 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,440 With a game that's a certain age 72 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,920 There's only so much of a of a remaster that you can really do without 73 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:51,720 Completely tearing down the building blocks and starting again, which obviously you're not gonna do that's where a remake comes into play 74 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:57,200 whereas that a remaster is you or you're taking the OG game and you're 75 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:02,320 You're slapping a new new makeup on it. And yeah, which is what they've done with the Tomb Raiders 76 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,360 I feel like people didn't necessarily need it to be hold that closer to your mouth to your mouth. Hello 77 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,560 They didn't need it to be a full 78 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,600 remaster, I think people just wanted it to be 79 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:21,040 Essentially to look newer but perhaps just to for it to not necessarily be up to the standard of the new EA 80 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,680 Battlefronts because they're very trying to be that little cinematic 81 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:32,240 Yeah, yeah, they're trying to be that battlefield but at the same time, I think if you just gave it, you know early 82 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,840 2010 sort of graphics it would be enough to 83 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:42,160 Bring the people in or at the very fucking worst just release it where you were able to play online. Yeah 84 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,600 You that's the that's the main caveat to people paying 35 quid for that collection 85 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:53,600 Is being able to relive that nostalgia because I played that game back in the day 86 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:59,680 And it was fucking great. So did Mark. So do very very fun game and I can recall quite a lot of memories of playing it 87 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,040 and 88 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,000 It's it's in that weird sort of sector where 89 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,880 You were young enough to play it and enjoy it 90 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:12,080 But you weren't old enough to actually understand what it is that you were playing especially for me anyway, so 91 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,760 Revisiting that as an adult I feel would be different same with something like Simpsons hit and run 92 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,240 We haven't played that for so long you go back as an adult and you go. Yeah, this is fucking sick 93 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,840 Whereas like something like 94 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:29,840 Say ratchet and clank. I was old enough when I was playing that that I knew what I was doing 95 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,160 I understood the games with us all went back now. It's a bit like yeah, I like this but it's not 96 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,600 Hitting the same because I'm just full of seeing it from the same perspective as when I first played it and they 97 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,280 to 98 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:47,200 Release that game and not even be able to fulfill that kind of shit like fucking hell 99 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:53,120 You're telling me that free servers are so that's all that you were going to ramp up error or not in today's day and age 100 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,160 That isn't enough. Yeah, especially if you're slapping on a 35 quid price tag for that. Yes. That's not triple a money but for 101 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,960 A literal here's a 20 year old game. We've changed nothing about it 102 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,360 It's taking the piss you could easily find 103 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,720 Like I don't know what the game is like the original game 104 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,600 You can probably find on like steam for say three pound or well, this is the first game 105 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:17,280 But now you're charging 35 pound for games that are technically already out. You've not done anything apart from turn the servers 106 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,280 You just flip the servers back. Surely you could have done that 107 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,960 This is what I was saying to you earlier. Are they trying to entice new people in? 108 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,600 Hmm to that haven't played the game 109 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:31,520 I haven't lived that nostalgia that we have and and other people have lived and have begged for that now they're 110 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:37,040 They I don't know. I don't know if there's enough new people like you know, like you know, they're not 111 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:42,560 They they I don't know. I don't know if there's enough new people like young people like the 112 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:50,000 Really does need uh that interested in star wars like the I don't think that disney stuff would have brought enough 113 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:56,640 No, the new films would have brought enough interest in and it's all the cult following from the the older generation that well 114 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,320 I said to I said to ash said about with me 115 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,400 I'll be fucking demanding for a refund off just because of how she is and he sort of said 116 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:08,160 Well, no, he's like they could they can turn it around but I come back with they shouldn't have to turn it around 117 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,520 I'm one of 118 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,520 There's too many games now that are doing that 119 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,840 Yeah releasing fucked up and then it's all right 120 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,400 We'll fix it and then we'll give you a load of free stuff to compensate 121 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,640 No, just give me the fucking game of paper. Do we need another like no man's sky or 122 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,240 You know, what's that? Uh, what is it? Uh 123 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,160 What's that new not enshrouded the other one that came out? 124 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:34,240 Um enshrouded power world not power of the other one the nightingale. Is that it? Yeah nightingale. Yeah 125 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:34,560 Yeah 126 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:37,840 I just read something earlier that said that that was a hit 127 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,720 Negative reviews because of whatever reason and they're gonna try and work on it and it's like 128 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,520 Well, stop trying to fucking work on it. Why we lived in that that era of 129 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,760 You can put out a game and people review and not even review vomit 130 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,040 But they they put don't speak favorably on it and then 131 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,840 It's probably one of the reasons why they turn around and went our borders gates now the big thing because it just performed 132 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:05,440 Yeah, yeah, just did exactly what it needed versus every other game coming out and it's like well actually 133 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,640 I will we'll fix that later because at the minute we're um 134 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,840 We're focusing on other things or we just wanted to get the money off you because we've put the game out 135 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,080 I think you can you can kind of 136 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,160 not accept it but 137 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:24,000 Slightly understand it when it comes from a fully indie developer or bringing out a game when there's there's slight things wrong 138 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,240 But when you've got a game something like in shrouded 139 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,840 Where that's still an early access game that game's incredible 140 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,640 The only reason why me and you aren't still fucking playing is because we finished with it 141 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,040 We finished there's literally nothing other than 142 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:41,280 Hoarding equipment and building in terms of skills and everything. There is nothing left. We've hit the cap 143 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,280 That's why we fucking stopped 144 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,120 but 145 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,160 Even then from a from an indie point of view 146 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,200 That's just the the market that you're in now 147 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,920 You can't just hire fast games anymore and that's why it's so difficult to be an indie developer 148 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:03,600 Because regardless of whether you're paying fucking 10 quid or 70 quid people still expect a polished product 149 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,040 Yeah, you know, I mean like you you're you're at a point where 150 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:10,880 Most people and I think i'm guilty to it to to a point 151 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,960 If I buy a game and it's a bit wha and i've only spent a couple of quid on it 152 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,120 I go fair enough. We paid 12 pound for inch routed and we were happy that we played it for 153 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:26,080 A week and a half and then basically got our money's worth out of it. How many because that was through fucking um, 154 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:34,000 Steam wasn't it? I think we had 60 odd hours like each more or less and we more or less completed everything apart from grinding 155 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:39,680 Yeah, and then but we were happy that we paid 12 or 18 pound or whatever it is when it was on sale 156 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:43,840 But if that had been a bit wha you'd sit there and you go, yeah, it's early access fair enough 157 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,080 Like i'm not massively happy but you're at the same time. I wouldn't be sitting there going 158 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:53,760 I want a fucking refund but but 35 pound for two games that was like you said before about um 159 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:56,560 the last of us remasters 160 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,160 The why are you paying a full, you know a game that's been out two years or wherever it was and now you're paying 161 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,880 Essentially for half half the game for the same shit 162 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,640 And it's literally not changed at all that you could equally say why am I paying? 163 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,920 35 pound for a game that I can probably pick up either 164 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:18,560 You know on steam for for pence essentially or I might be able to even find it down like cx for 165 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:24,000 13 p or something or or an equivalent, you know bargain basement or something 166 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:30,480 I've probably still got them at heart like in my parents house in the loft with like my old ps2 like still sitting there 167 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,240 Yeah, I mean this is what people were saying is that you 168 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,040 the only 169 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,120 Reason to be buying that game is for the online 170 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:44,960 There's the only reason because if you still have the original versions, you've basically got the game 171 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:50,720 Yeah, you can still play them because it's not changed. Nothing's changed about it. Just just switched it back on 172 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,560 It's like the building blocks. That's surely in some respects that there's you know 173 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:58,000 You can get dedicated servers for stuff like you could get a dedicated server for 174 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:04,640 For fucking enshrouded you could get which you know that's how world had that if you if you minecraft if you bought um 175 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,680 I think it was just if you bought power world 176 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:13,200 If you bought power world you were given a dedicated server. Yeah to go alongside it 177 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,720 So you know, I think it was power world because I think ash I think ash had one 178 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:24,640 I think he had he might I might be wrong, but it was either power world or enshrouded one of those two 179 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,720 You got a dedicated server. I'm pretty sure it was power world and then enshrouded 180 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:34,640 You would have to pay like four quid or whatever it was to get a dedicated server because I know we were having some issues 181 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,640 We're fucking the hosting aspect. Yeah, that would disconnect suddenly 182 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:45,120 I don't know if one of us had a bad connection for a moment or whoever was hosting it. It completely just didn't work. But 183 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,320 It's just weird man. It's um 184 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,280 I mean if i'm honest, I didn't even know that it was coming out. I I didn't really hear much about it 185 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,360 It went very much under the raid. I know like hell divers came out and exploded and then 186 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,560 Everyone was all over that and then I think I don't know if it's again. Well, I don't know 187 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:06,960 I'm trying to think now. I think I saw something about it maybe a week ago 188 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,400 But didn't remember that it was coming out essentially yesterday 189 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:11,920 until 190 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,240 All of a sudden I kept seeing it all over like 191 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:17,600 Instagram reels and it was everyone was like, oh, yeah 192 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:24,400 I'm so you know, it's the season of of for democracy and and yeah, you know the the men's um 193 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,520 What is it the the 194 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:33,920 In a feeling in man that they want to sacrifice themselves, you know in a massive army situation and 195 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,520 but yeah, because it's got it's definitely they're the um 196 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,360 the like conspiracies and the speculation around something like hell divers too where 197 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,920 like the latest one of 198 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,520 You're not actually the good guy. Oh, it's welcome to space fascism 199 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,680 Yeah, and it's like the the um, we're doing it for democracy. So don't start 200 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,680 Apparently 201 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:04,160 This will be noted we'll we'll refer back to this but like the automatons are are just slowly working back to 202 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:10,000 What the original area was? I can't remember what it was called and that the that the the terminates are 203 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:13,760 Trying to 204 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,840 Just defend themselves rather than 205 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,800 Then kill you for attacking purposes. They are just purely on defense basis 206 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,480 Is the it's the thing that people don't actually realize that that's the satire of the game 207 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,520 and that's the whole point is that if they people I think that's where the 208 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,840 That's like the same with starship troopers, which take is a massive influence on 209 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:40,560 Like massive on things like hell divers that people didn't realize that that was actually the whole point of like the book and the film 210 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,160 Is that it was space fascism and yeah, you know, it's 211 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,400 Yeah, you're not we aren't the good guys, but you know, we're doing it. So 212 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,880 Well, yeah, I think there's there's just 213 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,240 I don't know. You've got you've got the community of the people that 214 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,640 Understand the game that they're playing and you've also got a lot of people that don't really understand what they're playing 215 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:03,840 Oh, yeah, and getting angry for different reasons like with the dev saying if you're still dying and struggling, it's a skill issue 216 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,920 I found that I love that. I love that from a developer. Yeah, that's the point 217 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,560 That's the whole reason that the game's there and like you I don't wish trying off the star wars point 218 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,400 But like the the last difficulty is called hell dive 219 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,360 And yeah, and like me me and my friend dan who you played with like we were clearing them with 220 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:27,920 Randoms and like that's not saying that the we said that it felt like there was quite a bell curve in terms of the difficulty 221 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:34,960 Yeah, the games that we played like when you rejoined us in that was fucking hot. Yeah, the point where I went no, I'm right 222 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,840 I can't be bothered with this when we were playing on the hiatus and we were doing quite well and we hit like granted 223 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,280 I haven't touched it since the latest like not because of that but I 224 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,760 I think a lot of people have of 225 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,920 Cod brain rot brings to mind. You know, I mean, I think people 226 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,120 people are used to things being 227 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,520 semi easy 228 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:00,640 Or things being hard and being able to kick off and then the developer immediately going 229 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,040 Oh, we'll fix it. We'll fix it in fear of fucking losing their player base. Yeah, like meta hunters 230 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,960 Yeah, it'll be they'll be on their phones 231 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,360 Like we know a couple of people will be on their phones looking at what the next best strat is to get 232 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:17,520 Yeah, or like fucking it's such a big thing in the call of duty community with like a fucking gun needs nerfing 233 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:24,640 This needs nerfing blah blah and streamers hold such a big influence like doctor disrespect and tim the tap man people like that where they 234 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:30,320 They are able to heavily influence those kind of first person shooters 235 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,320 And I feel like when you when you jump onto something like hell divers 236 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,240 it's 237 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,320 Completely different ballgame the the the mechanics of the game are completely different 238 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,040 And it's just something that you're not used to and it's you're not going to be able to play it the same way that you could 239 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:51,760 With cod and that that issue was also when battlefield 2042 come out and a lot of people who were playing call of duty is like their main 240 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:59,120 First person shooter were coming over. Yeah and go and not being able to necessarily deal with it because it's such a 241 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,400 Cod's more arcady. Yeah, I don't like cod anymore. I'm not a fan of it. It's 242 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:10,240 Almost it's leaning into the aspect of almost being a boomer shooter like like doom or 243 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,640 I'm trying to think of equivalents that are similar to doom, but you know destiny 244 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,440 Yeah, sort of that you all you're doing is you're just there for the kills 245 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,920 whereas they don't realize in like battlefront and battlefield and 246 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:30,480 Like hell divers and other of those games that have come subjective. It's subjective. It's not it's not about who gets the most kills 247 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:36,640 It's about who actually like plays to the team. Yeah, because I remember like years and years back now 248 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:42,800 It's not really years, but the when like when I was in school with my mates and we we actually preferred 249 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,600 battlefield over cod 250 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,240 Yeah, we didn't like cod. Yeah, yeah 251 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:53,200 We we enjoyed like bad company too was like our number one at the time 252 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,680 Before like we were big Xbox players. So that's why you know a lot of my 253 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,120 if I went through my favorite games a lot of my stuff it ends up being 254 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,520 Xbox stuff, but 255 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,920 We were heavy on battlefield and if like if battlefront had been 256 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,360 Online at the time or you know, the times don't line up necessarily 257 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:19,840 That's why we ended up on things like battle the EA battlefront. Yeah. Yeah, but even they were kind of 258 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,400 Mediocre, they didn't live up to the same 259 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,600 It's just one of those. I don't know if it goes without saying 260 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,720 It's just one of those. I don't know if it goes again with nostalgia. They didn't live up to what they had been before 261 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,440 It's just that it's just a different kind of game. That's what that's what something like hell divers is it's 262 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:37,600 it 263 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,600 Follows a slightly different norm 264 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,080 To everything else and I feel like that's sort of why it's so popular because it's that it is that breath of fresh air 265 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,120 That's why something like power world was so popular. That's why 266 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,880 Contrary to a point was very popular because they were doing 267 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,160 They were fucking around with the same chemistry 268 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,960 but tweaking it in ways that made it very refreshing but also 269 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,200 Understandable and had that that that 270 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,880 Home kind of feel to it. You weren't playing a brand new game where it's like fucking hell 271 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,440 I don't know what the fuck's going on. You you sort of knew what was happening, but it was like, oh, I like this little tweet 272 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,280 This is nice. This is nice. I like this 273 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:22,160 I feel like it's definitely been the last like year to two years have definitely been the rise of indie devs and 274 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:28,480 And just stuff that's not mainstream anymore like COD's still there and it's got its fan base, but it's not 275 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:35,680 It's not I don't see in the news or in like the media as much as being something that's you know 276 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:42,320 There's big like borders gate blew up and truthfully larry is an indie studio and then like hell divers came out of like 277 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,480 I knew it was coming out and I spoke to you and I spoke to that or mentioned it to ash and said 278 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,720 Oh, yeah, that's coming out. It would be quite interesting and I was intrigued by it coming out and then 279 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,720 like similarly 280 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:59,280 Like ash got on power world and then you and I both got on enshrouded and then I'm trying to think what else has sort of come out more recently 281 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:05,280 Like cult of the lamb was another cult of the lamb was very was another indie one that we all went on high-fiber rush very good one 282 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,720 right 283 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,360 It's it's refreshing to see that but at the same time it's also refreshing to see that co-op games are coming back 284 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:19,360 Yeah, I feel like what you've what's happening now is something that's very similar to to the fashion industry 285 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:21,360 to a point where 286 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:24,080 It almost does full circle you had 287 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,120 Tying in with what we spoke about last week 288 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,240 Me and stef where we're talking about like consoles and stuff having having that more 289 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,240 variety and in just look and appeal 290 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:39,120 Going back years 291 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,760 It was also the same for games. There was a fucking game for everything 292 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,320 Anything and everything any any new movie that had come out there'd be a fucking game alongside it 293 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,840 You know, I mean a lot of them were shit, but also a lot of a lot of games were very very good 294 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,720 There was definitely you still had your your a-listers 295 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,280 But there was a lot of variety in games and some of them hit really really good 296 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,880 And then you sort of went into that more mainstream where people 297 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:07,040 People weren't that interested in in in other stuff people were interested in the cards to call the the 298 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:13,680 Grand Theft autos the you know, I mean the halos there was it seemed to be franchises were 299 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,080 Yeah, there was that pinnacle and then slowly you're seeing that 300 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:25,120 Kind of digressed I suppose that comes with a lot of that is that we played those games when we were young like going back with 301 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:30,960 The battlefront the og battlefront is we played them when we were kids and we had high nostalgia out of them and then 302 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:38,320 Gradually as we got older and older like our expectations got higher and higher because that was that highlight of 303 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,840 Technology evolution like yeah, where can I upgrade from that? 304 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,320 Which game's gonna be better it it was very much in our time in you know our 305 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:54,000 Youth to like our adulthood is that everything's progressed so rapidly and then games have progressed so rapidly and then at the same time the 306 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,760 But then the industry hasn't so like yeah, you've gone along with so like take 307 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:06,640 Hey, like halo was a big one for me being like a junior xbox player. Like I didn't have a playstation for ages and 308 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,800 The the games kind of were good. So like halo 3 was good 309 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,200 Hey, like odst and reach like some of my favorites of that 310 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,400 Genre, but then quickly. I think it was after halo reach it changed from 311 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,520 Bungee to three four three 312 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,880 It was a who was the people who had left bungee and made another studio 313 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,880 And then the game started to go downhill and I partially don't know if that's because 314 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,800 The game started getting worse and the storylines started getting worse the more it became sequels and sequels and sequels and sequels 315 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,040 Or if it was just as we got older our expectations got a lot higher 316 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:49,040 I think it's I feel like it's a culmination of everything because that definitely seems to be the one once a company finds a game 317 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,840 That's that where you can really fucking milk the cash cow 318 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,560 Something like cod you just keep going and fucking going 319 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,440 For tonight, you just keep going 320 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,000 I feel like I feel sport 321 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:08,240 Orientated games fall a little bit out of that category purely because they're like a fucking calendar 322 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,480 You gotta have a new one every year, especially something like fifa. I know it's not called that 323 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:19,760 Ea fucking whatever the fuck is called or just any any game that ea seems to get their hands on like ea just shit 324 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,840 Yeah, ea and ubisoft. We spoke about that a couple weeks ago. They're just fucking awful. I don't know how they're doing that 325 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:31,600 Yeah, that's what they're doing. Yeah, they're just fucking awful. I don't know. Yeah, it's been bad for a long time 326 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:37,200 There's been a lot of like I think it's been highlighted year on year and year, but it's just gotten worse like ash 327 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,080 Ubisoft just fucking follow the same 328 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,300 pattern 329 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:45,040 Constantly and like you said, yeah, I've just dropped 330 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:52,000 I do want to say some good thing for ea because my like probably my favorite game franchise is mass effect 331 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,960 Mm, and that was as of mass effect 2 was picked up from I forget who made 332 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:04,160 The the original developer that they they picked it up to be like the publisher and the one with the deep pockets 333 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:10,980 And they did a lot for that franchise because the difference between like mass effect 1 and mass effect 2 is significant 334 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:17,600 Yeah, but then obviously they quickly rounded out the the the main trilogy and then 335 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,000 We're straight back on. Oh, well, we need to make some money out of this. So let's do andromeda 336 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,040 Which wasn't a bad game, but I know a lot of people have got bad things to say about it 337 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,040 And I will admit it 338 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,240 For a game that came out after the main sequence. It was very much a repeat of one of the last ones 339 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:40,160 But yeah, but then since then, you know, ea's had control of star wars and we've seen what they've done with that and 340 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,520 You know, they've definitely put some good stuff out like the 341 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,480 fallen order and 342 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,480 Whatever the the latest calc esters one it runs off. I can't think of it off the top of my head 343 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,920 But those games were good, but it's a survivor. Yeah, that's the one like they're definitely good games 344 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,240 But it seems at the same time. They're definitely milking the cash cow with star wars 345 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,640 Yeah 346 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,440 I 347 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,160 Suppose you you have to at some point 348 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,960 At the end of the day if you're a developer 349 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,280 You're making games. Yes, you're making them for the fun of gaming 350 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,080 But you also need to make money out of doing it. I'm not i'm not having a dig at people making money out of gaming 351 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,520 Ultimately, it's one of the biggest things in the world. So 352 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,080 Of course, you're going to want 353 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:29,040 We're technically I know I know not you but I myself running this podcast 354 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:35,280 Am making money off of the back of gaming like that exposed. He wants the money 355 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,120 We're very clear about that we want the money 356 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,640 I'm not digging out trying to make it 357 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,640 What's the buttons? 358 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,600 I'm not trying to dig out the companies for making money out of gaming 359 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,840 I just feel like when it comes to franchises like that you hit a point where 360 00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:01,520 You can only do so much like with um, even to a point with world of warcraft a lot of people 361 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,640 Love harping on saying that you're making money off of gaming 362 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:11,760 I think to a point with world of warcraft a lot of people love harping on saying the game is dead leave it scrap everything 363 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,600 world of warcraft 2 just could because they've already 364 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,400 Announced their next free expansions. It's like fucking hell 365 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:27,280 How how many more are you going to be able to keep popping up because you're just after the fucking the money factor of it 366 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:33,360 Them subs rolling over and there's still x amount of concurrent players. Yeah, the money's rolling in so we're good boys 367 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,040 but like I say the I feel gaming as a whole is is 368 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,280 Is changing to where indie developers are? 369 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,840 rather than being 370 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,560 Um being an indie indie developer isn't like being small like one man anymore. It's just 371 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,200 You can be like larryons 372 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,800 You would class that as an indie developer. It's still got like 400 people 373 00:27:54,880 --> 00:28:01,200 But yeah, it's because they're they're in control of everything. I think it's just it's just gone from rather than being safe 374 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,560 And copying big hitters because you want a game that's going to be very similar 375 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,280 And you know the recipe works and you can make money. I feel like a lot of indie developers now are 376 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:17,360 Pulling away from that and going no, let's let's go back to what indie developers actually do and that is 377 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:25,220 Make something innovative and new and sometimes it might work. Sometimes it won't work and so far from 2023 and 2024 378 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,400 Those indie games that have come out have fucking hit the ground running because I feel 379 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,400 the gaming player base 380 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:40,320 Have grown tired of needs. Yeah, just the same shit over and over again people are waiting for gta 6 fucking 381 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,240 Fucking waiting waiting for anything new 382 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,880 And then just being bombarded with remasters every fucking five minutes because no one's able to make it 383 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,200 What the fuck's Naughty Dog doing? Fuck off the last of us leave it alone 384 00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:00,960 Can they don't need to fuck around with it anymore? Can we stop remastering games and actually get them onto PC? 385 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,760 What I'm saying is you don't need to do that 386 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,920 A lot of games are starting to go on the people 387 00:29:06,140 --> 00:29:10,080 PlayStation is fucking exclusive like 90% of them now are all going on to fucking pc 388 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,680 They're they're not I think that is a big change as well. I don't think that that 389 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:22,240 War anymore that exclusive war is fucking over because everyone's soon realizing 390 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,240 That cross plays the pinnacle. Yeah, it needs to happen because there's no point like it was a big thing when like we were kids 391 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,240 You turn around and go. Oh, what have you got? 392 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,760 Oh, yeah, like for me I I had a playstation in the end 393 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:39,760 But it took a long time for like grew up having like my my brother and my sisters like hand me down 394 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,480 PlayStation and stuff like that and then I because everyone I knew and was friends with had an xbox 395 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,280 I got an xbox and then yeah, that's where it was all at 396 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,240 Yeah, and then all of a sudden it was like oh one person got a playstation 397 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,440 Not like the whole reason I bought a playstation 4 since not having one since 398 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,680 Like early of playstation 3 coming out was ash 399 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,140 Yeah, because red dead came out on playstation red dead 2 came out on playstation 400 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,080 And obviously I wanted to play it and I wasn't going to wait two years or however long it took for the 401 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,280 The pc version to come out because i'm heavily a pc game and have been for the last 10 plus years 402 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:16,800 the 403 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,160 Just the exclusivity just doesn't doesn't gain you the same 404 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,880 It isn't worth it. It's it's 405 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:29,760 You get more players and more money coming in by making yourself open to everyone because at the end of the day like 406 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,760 I can afford to buy a playstation and an xbox, but I don't want to because I don't see a point 407 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,520 Yeah, there is no there is there is very little little point to 408 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,240 Because I know it's like picking a side because I know 409 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:50,480 That xbox is probably a little bit more approachable, but it doesn't have the games there that I can't get on something like game pass on pc 410 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,760 Versus i'm not going to pick it like I really want to play 411 00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:59,360 Ragnarok. Yeah. Yeah, but you can't but i'm not buying a whole ps5 to 412 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,120 Play one game and then maybe play like two other games 413 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,000 Not when not when sony's announcing so many fucking games are coming on to pc 414 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:15,360 I think it's only a matter of time before something like ragnarok does get fucking flung onto onto pc. What I mean like um, I didn't play 415 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,000 Days gone till it was released on pc such a good game and like that 416 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,400 Loads of others like like the last of us i've never played 417 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:31,920 Because like i've seen a full playthrough of the first game because I was in that youtube era of just watching people play games, but 418 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,320 Like I haven't I know what happens in the second game 419 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:42,000 But I haven't played it and I haven't watched it. I wouldn't mind playing it but till it comes out on a pc port 420 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,880 Yeah, you're not gonna i'm not gonna i'm not gonna spend the time and the money getting hold of a playstation 421 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,600 Like how much grief was it for like you and everyone else to mark and ash to get hold of a playstation? 422 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,560 I know it's not a problem now, but I can't be bothered 423 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,040 And then they'll turn around and say in like a year and a half. They'll tell me our playstation 6 is coming out 424 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,560 Yeah, pretty much that's what that's what happened when I got a playstation 425 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:08,480 I was fucking talking to someone on on one of the discords like from the guild and they were saying they were thinking about 426 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:15,200 Upgrading their play their pc or getting a ps5 for I think it was final fantasy 7 like the 427 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,760 Whatever one come out 428 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,560 And I was and he was like is it is it worth getting a ps5 and I said to him I was like honestly 429 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,400 I said if you really want it for this one specific game, then it's your money 430 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,480 Do whatever you want, but I was like longevity wise I said i'll upgrade your fucking pc 431 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:37,200 Yeah, don't worry about getting a ps5 because even now there's far cool out. That's exclusive to a ps5 432 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:43,280 Ties in very well with 22nd of march is when rise of the ronin comes out, which is a ps5 exclusive 433 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:49,440 Alongside with that on the same day. You got dragon's dogma 2 which both big heavy hitters 434 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,960 I mean i'm pissed off with dragon's dogma anyway, because it's locked to 30 frames per second, which is pathetic in 435 00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:57,260 2024 on a fucking new console 436 00:32:57,260 --> 00:33:04,780 Well, it's bollocks. It's not a frame hole. That's absolute bollocks. It's fucking stupid rise of the ronin looks really really good dragon's dogma 437 00:33:04,780 --> 00:33:10,300 Two looks really good, but it sort of if I had to pick between the two i'm going with rise of the ronin 438 00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:13,100 Just because I feel like it has a little bit more 439 00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:15,260 Pizzazz 440 00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:20,620 About it. It's probably more appealing to you from an outside perspective because you haven't played dragon's dogma 1 441 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:21,660 Yeah 442 00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:27,260 Versus like ash has played it and I have played it and I remember very specifically because I spent a period of my 443 00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:33,340 Youth which was very much in line when dragon's dogma came out that I could only play single player games 444 00:33:33,580 --> 00:33:38,860 Because not because of like I didn't want to play multiplayer, but I didn't have any wi-fi in my house 445 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:40,540 Yeah, yeah, yes 446 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:44,860 So I couldn't till I was about 14. I didn't have any wi-fi. Yeah 447 00:33:45,260 --> 00:33:49,820 Sort of around that sort of age 13 14. I didn't have any wi-fi to play online games 448 00:33:49,820 --> 00:33:51,820 So so you were limited? 449 00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:56,860 I was very limited to what I played and it shows in the games that are my favorites games like, you know 450 00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:01,020 of that older era it stands like mass effect and 451 00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:07,580 Obviously there was the halos and later on when I did have have wi-fi but games like fable from the xbox 452 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:10,620 all of that trilogy and 453 00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:15,100 I'm trying to think of some other ones but by that point it you know the 454 00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:19,580 That in that time frame I played dragon's dogma quite a lot 455 00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:21,020 Yeah, yeah 456 00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:27,180 And so I look at it and I hadn't heard anything about rise of the ronin because I don't if it's sony exclusive 457 00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:30,380 That doesn't come. Yeah, it's not it's not your fucking bank 458 00:34:30,460 --> 00:34:35,900 That doesn't come up in my circles for me to have known anything about it because I didn't not even know it existed till you 459 00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:41,900 Mentioned it probably last week or earlier this week. I I saw the um 460 00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:45,580 Um, it was the announcement trailer for rise of the ronin a while ago 461 00:34:46,140 --> 00:34:50,380 Like year two years ago. I don't know whenever it was first come out 462 00:34:51,420 --> 00:34:52,860 and it just looked 463 00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:56,540 gritty and that fucking samurai and the 464 00:34:57,260 --> 00:35:02,700 Combat looked like nothing that I'd ever seen before in my life because you liked um 465 00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:05,420 Sekiro, didn't you? 466 00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:12,620 Or is that more ash ash like sakiro? I've never played sakiro, but it's obviously of that souls born 467 00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:17,260 type been wanting to play sakiro, but after elden after the fucking 468 00:35:18,620 --> 00:35:21,820 Needing rehabilitating from elden ring. I was I can't do another one 469 00:35:23,180 --> 00:35:24,220 I 470 00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:28,780 Have some appeal to elden ring, but my last souls game was souls 471 00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:31,180 three 472 00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:37,660 Yeah, yeah playing I played like souls one when it came when it first came out and yeah, that was a slug didn't play two 473 00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:41,740 Play three and then didn't get didn't get bloodborne because I didn't have a 474 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:49,100 PlayStation that's that's another one that people speaking of like remasters and remakes and stuff like that bloodborne is the one where people are like 475 00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:51,660 For fuck's sake. Yeah, give us that back 476 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:55,420 Which I feel like i've kind of missed out because I played bloodborne quite a bit 477 00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:59,180 But never completed it because I just wasn't I wasn't good at souls born's game 478 00:35:59,180 --> 00:36:04,540 Oh, yeah, I definitely feel like i'm like when we played in shrouded i'm like i'm not very good at the parry aspect anymore 479 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:09,260 I'd love to go back now having gotten quite good at elden ring 480 00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:15,340 Just to see how I would fare especially after reading the graphic novels based around um bloodborne as well 481 00:36:15,740 --> 00:36:23,020 That whole world is very dark and seedy and very interesting from from a dm perspective and having like my own dnd 482 00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:29,580 campaigns and stuff like that think those the souls games and bloodborne appealed to me massively in terms of their lore and background 483 00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:36,540 Because just of things that I can pinch and yeah, yeah and take inspiration from and and you know use like my 484 00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:40,140 my current um like homebrew 485 00:36:41,420 --> 00:36:43,840 Campaign has a lot of like witcher-esque 486 00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:48,060 Yeah, yeah, yeah, because of like witcher which are being quite 487 00:36:49,180 --> 00:36:51,740 Good one of one of my favorite more favorite games 488 00:36:51,740 --> 00:36:53,740 but 489 00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:55,900 Yeah 490 00:36:57,260 --> 00:37:00,060 Why you got the fucking podcast podcast bloating 491 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:05,820 No, I lost my train of thought on what I was trying to say, but no the yeah the lore of um 492 00:37:07,260 --> 00:37:13,420 Things like that that is very easy one of the things that is very fascinating. I wonder how um 493 00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:20,220 Um how popular because I want to see if I can find how popular bloodborne was 494 00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:23,980 Yeah, all those that's the thing all those style of games they're 495 00:37:24,860 --> 00:37:29,420 I feel like I can do them and I definitely did well through like three 20 20 496 00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:36,700 So sorry 2015 is when it come out. They're really that old over a decade. Yeah, I didn't think it was that old 497 00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:38,460 Almost a decade 498 00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:44,140 But yeah, it's going back. It's not it's kind of one of the reasons that well rise of the roaming doesn't appeal to me 499 00:37:44,540 --> 00:37:46,880 Because if it fits in that same sort of soul-borne 500 00:37:48,060 --> 00:37:54,780 Aspect is that I I don't have time to to get good at to get good at them types of games anymore 501 00:37:55,820 --> 00:37:57,340 It's multiplayer 502 00:37:57,340 --> 00:38:01,580 That helps. Yes rise of the roaming supports online co-op multiplayer for his main story missions 503 00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:04,940 Up to three additional players can join your game up to three 504 00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:10,860 Yeah to explore the open world and take on enemies together having companions along enhances the experience and provides strategic 505 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,240 Strategic advantages fucking hell in combat 506 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:23,900 Yeah, it is it like ghost of tsushima the combat the story of the world as well the drama of it all 507 00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:29,740 Has kept me utterly hooked despite the open world busy work. It's not quite dark souls 508 00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:35,340 So don't call it a souls like and it's not quite ghost of tsushima said don't call it a clone instead think of rise of 509 00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:38,780 The roaming as a greatest hits album by team ninja 510 00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:43,660 I always thought from looking at a lot of stuff from rise of the roaming that it was its own 511 00:38:44,540 --> 00:38:49,660 Its own thing it is taking inspiration from many good games, but it is its own 512 00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:56,300 Game outright rather than being a a souls like and and that type of stuff because you I feel like 513 00:38:56,300 --> 00:39:00,460 Like you get that a lot with games now people will compare copycat games. Yeah 514 00:39:00,860 --> 00:39:04,540 Yeah, and I I think it's since since the souls games have come out 515 00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:09,580 There's there's that's the whole reason it's it's soulsborne or souls like is that there's a whole genre 516 00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:15,980 Yeah, of sub tier games that are because they created something amazing that want to be like that or don't quite get it 517 00:39:16,060 --> 00:39:22,140 You know, it's like like roguelike and all of that but now there's souls like so yeah. Yeah 518 00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:25,340 But it's a shame. I didn't I haven't looked more at 519 00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:27,660 Um rise of the roaming but again, it's not in 520 00:39:28,380 --> 00:39:31,260 It's not in your wheelhouse because you're not you're unable to play it 521 00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:35,420 Yeah, it's not in my circle. Whereas as soon as there was mention of dragon dogma 2 I was like 522 00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:40,700 Yeah, that's a bit of me when it comes out the because I follow their like um 523 00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:44,860 their tiktok account and instagram stuff for that for dragon's dogma and 524 00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:51,180 It does look good. Like I I do like the look of it. It depends if you want to play a very sort of 525 00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:54,380 Japanese styled rpg because 526 00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:58,140 It I know you were saying about grand blue 527 00:39:58,540 --> 00:40:01,340 Grand blue fantasy relink dreamlike fantasy 528 00:40:01,340 --> 00:40:04,140 Whatever whatever nonsense is that? Yeah 529 00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:11,180 The game that you would like yeah that one. Yeah, the the mobile game that they decided to do a big release of but 530 00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:13,420 like that 531 00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:17,580 It is in that sort of the original game is very much like if 532 00:40:17,580 --> 00:40:22,620 a You've added japanese culture or that style of game a japanese rpg 533 00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:29,100 But kind of made it very western because even when I was I was trying to like brush myself up and what what had happened and they're saying 534 00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:33,820 Oh, it's you know, the the island that everything happens on is is based on sicily 535 00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:37,340 Yeah, but capcom makes the game so it's like 536 00:40:38,060 --> 00:40:41,260 Okay, you're blending very you know eastern and western 537 00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:44,060 Aspects into a high fantasy game 538 00:40:44,060 --> 00:40:49,180 And it kind of you can see the that element in like the at least in dragon's dog for one 539 00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:54,300 Not um, there's it seems it's all changed especially with the character customization for 540 00:40:54,940 --> 00:40:59,500 For number two that's come out the the character customization looks fucking incredible for that like 541 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:06,540 Proper proper on there and proper in-depth fucking shit for that one and whoever else is on there 542 00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:08,860 Yeah fucking 543 00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:14,140 Peter griffin and homa simpson, you know, I mean you can fucking do anything on that by comparison 544 00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:17,660 The first game was very much like it like a souls character customization 545 00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:25,580 But yeah considering the amount of hours that I spent in the I didn't get the darker risen which was like their deluxe re 546 00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:30,300 Have you pre-ordered dragon's dog? Well, I haven't yet but I was thinking about doing it 547 00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:35,740 Too well, I checked it yesterday on steam and saw the prices of like 40 that were 548 00:41:35,740 --> 00:41:41,580 Little 98 for 45.98 or whatever it was. Yeah, why is that? Why is it that extra bit of pence? 549 00:41:42,380 --> 00:41:46,940 But I did think about pre-ordering it just but it's one of those ones where do you pre-order it? 550 00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:49,740 Because we don't like the pre-order currently 551 00:41:50,620 --> 00:41:51,900 Yeah 552 00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:53,900 But is there enough to 553 00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:55,980 Get 554 00:41:55,980 --> 00:42:01,820 Pre-order is one of them fucking is there enough in it to merit getting the pre-order because it's a lot of like weapons and stuff 555 00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:08,860 But I don't ever remember from the last game that the weapons were the type of thing where I don't think there's ever once been a fucking 556 00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:10,860 pre-order in my life 557 00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:18,060 Or in history that has given you a piece of a set of armor a fucking weapons 558 00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:20,060 that 559 00:42:20,060 --> 00:42:24,220 Have any bearing on the game whatsoever. That's what I mean that I don't think that 560 00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:29,100 It's probably I probably will just pay pay out for the deluxe edition and pre-order 561 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:37,100 it because because I want the game but at the end of the day you can get the game when it fucking comes out it's not going to be a shortage 562 00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:39,740 Yeah, but you know got paid today. So 563 00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:44,540 It's always worse when you pre-order something 564 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:51,580 And it's not good or you get the deluxe edition amazon normally do fucking loads of things where it's like exclusive to amazon bollocks 565 00:42:52,060 --> 00:42:53,420 and you get 566 00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:55,420 like a like a sword and fucking 567 00:42:55,420 --> 00:43:01,580 Certain helmet. Oh, yeah, I've looked and it's literally just a set a bundle of like slightly better quality weapons 568 00:43:01,580 --> 00:43:03,580 Yeah, and it's not really much else 569 00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:09,420 I always find it annoying when you get that and then within an hour's worth of playtime you've got better gear 570 00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:11,900 Yeah, you've already got better. So you go well, I'm fucking wasting my money here 571 00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:18,140 Then you know, because the games obviously not the game's not designed for you to for it to only work when you're wearing that better gear 572 00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:22,620 You can do it with the normal shit and I find that a lot of the times they don't really look that way 573 00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:28,220 Anyway, let me have a little look. I can't remember what exactly they gave you but it wasn't I didn't think it was that fantastic 574 00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:33,500 But at the same time like if I'm I know i'm gonna buy it anyway, is it worth just getting it? 575 00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:39,740 I mean saying that I spent the fuck I've got the deluxe edition or whatever it was for fucking outlast trials because you got a couple of 576 00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:41,420 cool like 577 00:43:41,420 --> 00:43:46,540 Skin, it's definitely better when it's more to do with like cosmetics 578 00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:49,740 Yeah, that you can just wear or like transmog related stuff 579 00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:56,620 Yeah type items where you can just chop and change the signal is great 580 00:43:59,020 --> 00:44:01,420 Yeah, the cosmic cosmetics over 581 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:11,500 Actual use of items is far trumps it especially if they look cool as well because I feel like that's a better 582 00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:18,220 Ad but obviously you require you require a game to incorporate those kinds of mechanics 583 00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:25,580 A transmog system or cosmetic based system because obviously a lot of stuff like ghosts associated with most games 584 00:44:25,580 --> 00:44:27,980 in fact don't incorporate that 585 00:44:28,780 --> 00:44:30,780 Elden Ring does because 586 00:44:31,580 --> 00:44:37,740 The stats don't really mean a lot when it comes to the gear. Yeah, it doesn't really hold that much bearing 587 00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:41,580 Um, so you are quite free to kind of do whatever you fucking want 588 00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:48,060 Um, here we go. You're gonna tell me finally. Here we go. The standard edition pre-order bonus is a boon in early battles 589 00:44:48,220 --> 00:44:51,900 Superior weapons quartet so you get it looks like you got staff 590 00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:56,700 Sword and board and bow and two daggers and then sword and board 591 00:44:57,660 --> 00:45:03,020 And then it goes further. Okay. The only difference in the deluxe is that there's the game and then obviously all the 592 00:45:03,980 --> 00:45:06,780 All of that above plus a special ring 593 00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:11,100 Some sort of camping kit what looks like as in-game currency 594 00:45:11,740 --> 00:45:17,740 The music and soundtrack which you've discussed previously is actually not a bad thing, especially for me 595 00:45:18,220 --> 00:45:20,220 I quite like it when games come with 596 00:45:20,780 --> 00:45:27,740 Soundtracks, yeah, yeah going as a dm. I can use that music if I want to can you use it? Yeah 597 00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:35,100 That's what we play in the background. Yeah, so a lot of like ambience for for dnd will be from games 598 00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:36,780 from games 599 00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:44,300 Yeah, yeah, then just banging on a bundled spotify mix or the like that you can just go. Okay. I need some battle music 600 00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:49,580 Oh, i'm just gonna decide to play the witch's ones. Yeah, that was a real decent fucking 601 00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:57,900 Patron, what that's a self selfless plug right there selfless plug all about fucking music and gaming big big pot get on the patron 602 00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:01,980 And some other 603 00:46:01,980 --> 00:46:05,500 various assorted items that probably make sense when you're actually playing the game, but 604 00:46:07,820 --> 00:46:11,420 Starting vocations you get fighter mage thief and archer 605 00:46:12,940 --> 00:46:19,900 And then then that's the only good thing about I mean starter vocations leads tells me oh, there we go advanced 606 00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:23,500 Warrior and sorcerer 607 00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:25,340 Is that it 608 00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:26,300 There's there'll be more than that 609 00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:31,020 I remember from the last game that you had essentially you had the base ones and then each one had at least two 610 00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:33,020 variations hybrid 611 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,480 Mystic spearhead 612 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,720 Which is essentially magic archer would blend the two so if you know you'd have 613 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,840 Say you were a warrior and a mage you could get a battle mage and then you could get and a trickster 614 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,960 Yeah, you could get ones that were in between it was very good because it was like you probably experienced in 615 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:56,480 The final fantasy online is that you can essentially have one character and just level up the vocations 616 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,040 And you don't have to make a whole new character like you would in 617 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:06,600 Every other game that's one of the don't want to be a fighter today. I want to be a mage and that is one of the best 618 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,480 aspects of Final Fantasy 14 619 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,960 ever is 620 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:18,360 That you can do absolutely everything with one character save so much time. That is it just one character the the 621 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,680 Necessity to create another character is purely from a cosmetic basis. You don't 622 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,360 Anything and everything and that is a goal that most people that play Final Fantasy 14 623 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:35,960 Strive to achieve is to just get every single job max level because then you fucking you've done it then yeah 624 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,280 I feel like it's just it's a lot. It's one of the things that put me off 625 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,680 having like when I played wow with you is that I was playing the tank and 626 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,960 Granted I didn't mind playing the tank and I quite enjoyed it, but it was very much an aspect of 627 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:55,800 I'm new newer to this because I played it long long ago when it went like Burning Crusade first came out and stuff like that 628 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,320 but the 629 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,960 Wow's got a toxic community playing a simple that I don't want to be the guy holding everyone back 630 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,960 Wow's communities fucking disgusting which then and it's good to see you know 631 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,040 If I wanted to do something else, I you know 632 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:13,960 How long did it take for me to get to the end game content just from the grind and not being like 633 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,640 I'm just gonna cheat my way into not cheat but I'm gonna use the dungeons 634 00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:22,600 Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna use the the quick way to to level 60 for the 635 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:24,920 truthfully you go or 636 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,520 the the the 637 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,800 Ash has it that I don't want to use this because I might need it later. Yeah. Yeah the mentality that 638 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,720 If you're starting a brand new MMI, you never want to just max level straight away 639 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,680 If you've got the option because you fucking won't understand you like for 640 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,520 For final fantasy to do that and say you can keep one character and you can put thousands of hours into one character 641 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,240 But you can do everything one character is such a better. It's like an aspect of relief to someone like me you go 642 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,520 Yeah, I don't have you know at the minute. I definitely don't have hours and hours to spend on 643 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,880 Multiple different characters getting like I know you love it, but you've played well for a long a long time 644 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:00,920 Yeah, I love it 645 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,640 But if given the fucking opportunity in world of warcraft to not have to make multiple multiple characters 646 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,840 And you know 100% I would do that because with final fantasy 647 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,800 Once you hit a certain point, I think it's level 70 648 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:18,360 Basically, the way that it works is so for example, I'm a dragoon is my main 649 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,440 level 650 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,440 57 so 651 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,120 if I go and make a new start a new job like 652 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,240 I don't know like a rogue for example, which then turns into a ninja 653 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:37,640 It's basically the bigger the level gap from your main to your the job that you've picked up 654 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:43,480 It just halves it and puts you in the middle. No the the the bigger the xp increase from leveling that up 655 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:50,680 So if you start doing missions, you're going to level up a lot quicker to bring you in line with your main a lot quicker 656 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,680 And then also once you hit level 70 657 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,520 I believe the xp that you gain from other jobs goes up by like 200% or something 658 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,440 so that when you're 659 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,160 Of a max level when you want to start trying out other stuff. It's not so much of a grind because 660 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,840 Yeah, but it brings everything up a hell of a lot quicker and 661 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:11,880 Everything's level synced much like wow is 662 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,520 um, but 663 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:20,840 Also, if you're playing a new class if you want to go to a tank you want to go to a hill or something like that? 664 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,980 Every dungeon in the game has an npc 665 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,280 Setting for it every single one world of warcraft at the moment is trial in that but it's only on the end game dungeons 666 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:36,760 Dungeons or anything before level 60 you can't do that and even then it's only limited to 10 a fucking day 667 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,680 Really? Yeah 668 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:45,160 So on final fantasy if you aren't feeling that comfortable with tanking with actual people even though the community is 669 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,800 Is 90% really lovely and will wait 670 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,400 You can try it out with npcs instead 671 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,760 For the entire thing and see how you get on 672 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,600 um, and also alongside that there are some classes where 673 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:01,320 they 674 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,320 they can be a 675 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,640 so for example the fucking the 676 00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:08,600 summoner 677 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,280 Can also turn into a healer class called the scholar 678 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,000 I believe 679 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,500 Two separate jobs. However, they level up simultaneously 680 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,760 So a lot of people will make us will make a look. I can't remember the class that turns into a summoner 681 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,400 Um, I think it is just like sorcerer and then at level 30 it turns into a summoner 682 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,760 A lot of people do that so that when they're leveling up to max level 683 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,800 They've got a max level healer there as well in case they ever want to swap over for easy queues and stuff like that 684 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:41,320 So it helps out it's very it's very old friendly very old friendly world of warcraft is 685 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,040 is very very toxic for new players and for current players to 686 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,320 To get involved with and staying because if you're not keeping up 687 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,120 It's fuck you you jump into a dungeon and you don't know it 688 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:57,640 Everyone's just fucking sprinting to the end because they're all grinding because the main point of world of warcraft 689 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,440 That was massively how I felt when I jumped in with you and it was like 690 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,480 I don't really know what i'm doing. I'm following you. Yeah the main 691 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,980 Unfortunately, i'm the one who's meant to be the main point of the game is end game content 692 00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:13,020 Yeah, and getting the best gear you possibly can and final fantasy doesn't follow that same rule set obviously it's still there 693 00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:19,100 But that's not the that's not the main bread and butter of it, which is where you have that very relaxed 694 00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:22,220 state of of play 695 00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:29,180 I don't know what brought us on to that fucking talk, but I think we were just going on about like rpgs and how you can with 696 00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:34,940 dragons dog where you can just have one character and you can try out like you can quickly realize that you can play you can 697 00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:38,780 Start the game as a fighter and then go. Oh, I don't want to I don't like this 698 00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:41,500 I want to play a mage and then you go actually mage is a bit jank 699 00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:45,260 So now I want to be I don't know what to be a ranger or a rogue type instead 700 00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:50,940 It's nice that games that have the option of doing that rather than being like, oh you spent the last 30 hours building 701 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:53,340 Your rogue character up and you don't actually like it. So now 702 00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:57,900 Tough luck you're gonna have to make a new one. Yeah, which is very annoying is 703 00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:02,940 As for someone who doesn't have a lot of time in the day to to play games 704 00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:08,940 The one character is what I'd rather play as because I can sync ours into one pair 705 00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:12,620 I keep doing that and keep doing that and keep doing that. I don't want to be like, you know 706 00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:17,820 Oh today I'll play the tank but oh actually I feel like I don't want to play tank today 707 00:53:17,820 --> 00:53:24,900 So I actually need to level up my I don't know my hunter or something. I feel like that's why someone like ash 708 00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:27,380 will 709 00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:28,580 stick with 710 00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:36,700 Final Fantasy 14 because obviously as we all know he loves to build that that role-playing aspect with a lot of the characters that he makes 711 00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:38,380 Rain dolo 712 00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:39,340 and 713 00:53:39,340 --> 00:53:43,940 Squid man with with old Final Fantasy you are able to 714 00:53:44,820 --> 00:53:47,380 continue building that story with your own character if 715 00:53:48,180 --> 00:53:52,720 If you have to if you if you make a rogue saying wow, and then like you say 716 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:56,640 50 hours in you decide actually I want to be a mage 717 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,280 Brand new character start all over again 718 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:08,160 Where was something like Final Fantasy you've developed that character if you're role-playing as a rogue you then want to jump on and play 719 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,280 Puggy list 720 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,960 Then you can if you really want to you can you know 721 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,120 I mean if you're if you're role-playing with your character you can fucking role-playing to something else 722 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,840 You haven't got a completely start again, which I think for a lot of people 723 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,960 I'm not one that's massively into role-playing 724 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,280 and 725 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,720 For people that are I feel like that's such a big 726 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:33,480 Big thing because you're free to do basically whatever you want in this fantasy world 727 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,940 I feel like it you're you're taking away from the fancy 728 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,880 Fantasy aspect if every single time you want to do something different you have to make a brand new character to do it 729 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:48,320 So I'll fucking know like this isn't I'm trying to role-play here. This isn't fulfilling that the aspect 730 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:53,920 It goes into like you could also say that for games like it's the same that borders gate doesn't it does have an aspect 731 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,400 you can respect which is a good thing, but 732 00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,200 Well, I suppose they added it more recently 733 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:04,000 So it's not so or had it earlier from the start and you can like transmog your character now 734 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:09,280 That originally when you first started if you didn't like your character the way they were, you know 735 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,000 You made their appearance you were essentially stuck with them and then 736 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,480 You you could respect your character if you turned around and went. Oh, I don't want to be the same again 737 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,880 You don't want to be a fighter or whatever that I suppose 738 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,720 It's one of the ones that doesn't translate so well to like actual tabletop D&D 739 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,560 because 740 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,360 You are what you are you you've essentially made your character to be the way that it is 741 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,000 but I suppose there is an element of like flexibility with the person who could run in the game that you could change that but 742 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,000 That when Ash was like, oh, can I play rain dolo in your campaign? 743 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,720 I was like, yeah, you sure but you can't be a squid man. You can't you can't be a mind flayer. Thank you very much 744 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:47,720 Yeah, else your new characters mine 745 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:53,280 Yeah, yeah, I can hold up but you know, because that's a little bit unfair if I turn around and say yeah 746 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,280 You can be a mind flayer mate, but 747 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,320 You just fucking murder everyone 748 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,320 Well, it's it's an interest in 749 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,000 D&D has multiple like the the adventures that are written and you as a DM 750 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,520 Have it within your possibility to just take people's characters if you want 751 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,720 So if all of a sudden you came to my game and said I 752 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:19,360 Don't know what in an aspect of ashes character rain dolo the the actions he has made in 753 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,480 his 754 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,480 Baldur's Gate campaign when he reaches a certain point in the end of the game 755 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,920 Granted, it's a guy the game is separate. But if you were playing tabletop 756 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,480 when he 757 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,960 Don't spoil anything for the man because he's still playing. He's yeah, but certain things that ash has done 758 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,000 Would merit me taking control of his character potentially 759 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,040 And he's just out and then he would have to make a new character 760 00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,520 Hmm, because there's a same element of you could 761 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,120 Have a character die then 762 00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,440 You could bring them back say as a revenant, which is like an 763 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,440 undead 764 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,440 Agent of vengeance and 765 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,880 You was the DM could then say well, it's not your character anymore because you're not you 766 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,040 That I'm now in charge of that. I quite like that. I that that sounds like a 767 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,720 You had the mercy of the fucking beholder 768 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,200 I mean you're 769 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,160 It's down to DM discretion is like we've asked before 770 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:32,080 We're trying to wrap my head around the fact is I walk and I do anything in when we're playing t&d and you go 771 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,280 Yes, you can do anything you so I go all right 772 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,240 And we're doing whatever we're doing the most basic campaign 773 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,680 I go the minute we start I pick up a knife and I stab him in the throat 774 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,880 I said, oh, well, are we able to do that? And so yeah, yeah, you like you'd ruin the entire experience 775 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,320 Be good. You were also able to do that 776 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,320 Like if you're like I'd imagine there have been people where if they're getting bored of their campaign 777 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:59,680 But they don't quite want to say they're getting bored. They just slit their own throat. Oh my god enough of this 778 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,680 I'm just gonna kill myself 779 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,360 So this what they're my the group I play with currently, which is my old like college mates and schoolmates they 780 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,600 Before I joined them 781 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,960 They had with like the other half of my schoolmates that I don't really talk to anymore 782 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,520 same group I same group of people when we all grew up and 783 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:20,440 We're mates and everything but they had one guy. He's massive. He's a nice guy. He was my best mate 784 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:27,480 But we drifted apart and he is massively ADHD. He cannot he's not medicated or anything, but he can not 785 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:33,480 Like most of my other mates ADHD and medicated. Mm-hmm. Whereas he is not 786 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:40,880 To his own is that's the way he wants to be but he can't focus on these things 787 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,800 And yes, I played one session with him and it was unfortunately with my mid kovat 788 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:51,880 It was the first time I'd joined in properly with the India been interesting getting into it from the months and years 789 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:57,400 and it was the first time I joined in and he like he had no interest and as I 790 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:03,680 He didn't then play going forward, but I'd learned that he had a character before the one he was currently planning 791 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,240 And he just killed him off 792 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:11,960 Multiple times he made suicide attempts on his character because he didn't want to play that character anymore 793 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,280 Yeah, yeah, I've had enough of it 794 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:20,600 Yeah, you could you can easily just turn around and say look Ash could play rain dolo as where as a rogue and say I don't 795 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,280 Want to play rain? No, no anymore and you would then turn around like you could say do you want to kill your character off? 796 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,800 He'd say not really. I might want to use him later. You say okay. Just take him out. So I 797 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,400 You essentially either you can roleplay it and say like rain dolo wants to go on his own adventures 798 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,640 And then just move him along and then he could have a new character 799 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,920 Or you could in theory you could respect them 800 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:48,160 But that would take a little bit more like it would take out of the roleplay aspect and lean more into the mechanics of it 801 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,640 Yeah, yeah, but truthfully like if you turn around and said, okay, I don't want to play 802 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:54,320 Who did you make you made? 803 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:55,280 Gouldan 804 00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,080 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know 805 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,520 I don't know why you I don't know why you pick me. I'm no longer playing Gouldan 806 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,800 You don't want to play 807 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:12,000 Who did you make you make Gouldan Gouldan the the the raven fucking ball fangy mucking a raven folk 808 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:18,720 Warlock. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to play anybody more the kenku. You didn't want to play him anymore 809 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,720 You could just go. All right. I'm just gonna do something stupid and just kill yourself 810 01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,600 you could just jump off a cliff or something and that 811 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:30,000 at that point I'm out the game. I may stay in the session but I have no bearing on the 812 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,440 game whatsoever. There's nothing I can do. So are those people then able? 813 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,920 They could bring you back if you wanted to. 814 01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,840 Yeah, they go, right, well he's jumped off a cliff because he's had enough and he's had 815 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,880 enough of this campaign. However, we're now going to make it our fucking sole objective 816 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,360 to go and bring him back out of the fray. 817 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:54,320 You could, but at the same time it's in the writing of spells and things like that. If 818 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:59,440 you killed your character and you had someone who could res you and had the materials to 819 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,880 do it, you could do it. You could just res him. But there is in the writing it says willing. 820 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,200 So you could turn around to me and say, don't, like you could just shake your head at me. 821 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,120 And then everyone would make that attempt but you could not come back. You could just not 822 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,000 come back. It would be like a vague attempt. 823 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,000 That would play into the role play aspect of... 824 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,200 We should definitely do it. Well, we'll fucking set a date. 825 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,200 We've got a date. 826 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,200 I can't remember what the date was. 827 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,200 April 13th, I think. Or 12th. 828 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,200 Just inviting ourselves around your house. 829 01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,200 Yeah, just said, I'm coming around now. 830 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,200 Have you listened to that episode yet? 831 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,200 Great. Have you listened to it? I was like, no, I'm busy. 832 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,200 Did I say that it's a calendar? Did I? I want to see if I put anything on the calendar. 833 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:43,200 I think I might have done. It's literally sorted it all out without even your fucking... 834 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,200 Without my agreement. Just said, we're coming around. 835 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,200 The Amazon series of Fallout comes out on the 12th. 836 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,200 Does it? 837 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:50,200 Of April. 838 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,200 Was it 12th or was it 13th? 839 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,200 12th. What, for D&D? 840 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,200 I think we said the 13th because that's a Saturday. 841 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,200 Because we originally said the 6th. 842 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,200 And then Ash said he couldn't. And then you said you couldn't. 843 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,200 So then I said, all right, well, the 13th then. 844 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:07,200 And the 13th was what we chose. 845 01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,200 And that's what a show remains. 846 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,200 Oh, God. Here we go. 847 01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,200 And then Ash getting upset because then I'll run a baby campaign as if I'm not going to run. 848 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,200 Ash is going to get upset because I'm going to crush his head with a boulder just for the fun of it. 849 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,200 You're going to kill Reign, don't you? 850 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,200 I'm going to attempt. 851 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,200 Three minutes into the session, you're going to have Reign Dolo dead. 852 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:29,200 Or I won't kill him, but I will make a very sly attempt. 853 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,200 And then it's just going to be a campaign of... 854 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,200 Backstab. 855 01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,200 Yeah. I don't trust this geezer, but I need him. 856 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:39,200 He's already said that he doesn't necessarily want to play Reign Dolo in that first campaign anyway. 857 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,200 I think he doesn't want to do Reign Dolo. 858 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,200 Yeah, because you're too scared of fucking it up. 859 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,200 He doesn't want to do Disjustice. 860 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:44,200 Exactly. 861 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,200 He's already... 862 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,200 That's a fake role play, though, isn't it, Prince? 863 01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,200 You've got your main character as Reign Dolo. 864 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,200 This is your fantasy. 865 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,200 He made Wolf, and he doesn't want to... 866 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:59,200 But now he wants to protect him and say, no, I want to trial run D&D first to make sure I'm actually decent at it. 867 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:06,200 And then bring Reign Dolo into the fray rather than just fucking raw dogging it straight in and then seeing what happens. 868 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,200 He's listened to one podcast and now he knows what D&D is. 869 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,200 Don't say that because we need him. 870 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,200 I know, fuck all. 871 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,200 Oh yeah, he's still coming. 872 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,200 He's got more research done than me. 873 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,200 That's fine. 874 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,200 Where he said, oh yeah, you're doing a baby campaign. 875 01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,200 I'm only doing a baby campaign because it's one of the best starter adventures that's out there. 876 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:31,200 And it's almost like the best way of getting into it is to run it like that. 877 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:43,200 And I'm still on the fence of having maybe two of my mates who are more seasoned to come along to sort of balance things out or whether just to say, look, we'll just do it like me, you, Daryl, and Ash. 878 01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,200 I would absolutely love, but the money's just... 879 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,200 We won't get Mark because fuck Mark. 880 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,200 Mark ain't got the fucking mental capacity for it. 881 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,200 He's too hard, isn't he? 882 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,200 He ain't fucking interested in D&D. 883 01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,200 Plus, he don't drive. 884 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,200 I'm not picking his ass out of it. 885 01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,200 I'm not going to do it. 886 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,200 He's a prick in his bedroom. 887 01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,200 I would love to, but the money and the equipment isn't there. 888 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:10,200 I would love to do a D&D session, but audio record the entire thing. 889 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:25,200 If we ran a normal podcast, but then every time we did a session, record it raw and then just post that as a series going alongside until it's fucking done. 890 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,200 There has been a massive influx of... 891 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,200 Since... 892 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,200 How many years ago was it now? 893 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:34,200 There is a massive company called Critical Role. 894 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,200 Yeah, Critical Role is massive. 895 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:45,200 They sort of set the precedent for D&D podcasts because they do it nigh on every week and have been doing it for like... 896 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,200 They're also fucking voice actors. 897 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,200 Oh yeah, that's completely unfair. 898 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,200 They're professional voice actors. 899 01:04:53,200 --> 01:05:08,200 There's definitely been a lot of influx of D&D podcasts since they've made it big from their original like Geek and Sundry with Felicia Day was the one who did it and then obviously Matt Mercer and all the cast. 900 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,200 Stranger Things also helped out. 901 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,200 They made it much more mainstream. 902 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,200 It went from being like the... 903 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,200 When D&D first came out, it was the Boogie Man. 904 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:20,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 905 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,200 Sort of things like... But then you realize that truthfully it's... 906 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:35,200 Someone explained it very well and I can't remember the way they worded it, but it's an exercise in cooperative imagination with aspects of... 907 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,200 There's math involved. 908 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:38,200 Yeah, yeah. 909 01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:44,200 It's crazy because you sit there and go, I'm bad at math, but I'm having to do it playing a roleplay game rolling dice. 910 01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:50,200 But it's also where it's that role playing game, people would see it as, oh that's fucking nerdy. I don't really like the sound of that. 911 01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:54,200 But at the same time, because it's a role playing game, you can make it not nerdy. 912 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,200 It doesn't have to be goblins and trolls and fucking magical spells. 913 01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,200 You don't have to fucking roll with that. 914 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,200 There's so many different things out there. 915 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,200 Like the cyberpunk inspired fucking tabletops. 916 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:14,200 There's high fantasy ones, you can get Star Wars, I forget what it's called, it's not Rogue Trader because that's something. 917 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:21,200 It might be Rogue Trader, but that would be weird because Warhammer 40K has Rogue Trader. 918 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:25,200 But again, you can have sci-fi, it's what you want to play. 919 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:32,200 Like Ash wants to do cyberpunk at some point, but I need to buy a whole new thing for that. 920 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:38,200 But it depends what you want to get into. 921 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,200 The worst thing is probably the first session with people you haven't played with before because it's there. 922 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,200 You have to work it out. 923 01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,200 I was very nervous even with my own mates to play the first time. 924 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:53,200 And then I'm still quite nervous DMing because you're running the whole show. 925 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,200 But that would be fine. 926 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,200 We'll be absolutely fine. 927 01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,200 Start stirring their voices. 928 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:05,200 To be fair, I don't think I would struggle too bad when we're all sitting around because we're weird enough as it is. 929 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,200 Comfortable enough as it is to be doing that. 930 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:12,200 It's difficult on here because there's fucking other people that live this. 931 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,200 You know what Darryl's going to do when he turns up. 932 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,200 I know what Darryl's going to do when he turns up. 933 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,200 Darryl-y doo-doo. 934 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,200 He's going to get a fucking shock when he hears your voice on the ears. 935 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,200 Oh yeah, because he didn't even tell him. 936 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:27,200 He's going to love it. 937 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,200 Whoopsie daisy. 938 01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,200 We're going to fuck off to the Patreon where you'll really hear it. 939 01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:32,200 Listen into it. 940 01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:37,200 But yeah, appreciate you Conn for helping us fucking throw your voice into the mix. 941 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,200 I hope it weren't mundane enough. 942 01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,200 And sorry everyone if it was. 943 01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,200 My name's Mark. 944 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,200 See you later. 945 01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:59,200 Bye.