1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,200 What's wrong with you? 2 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,840 It's just, I want my chair for the comfort, 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,840 but I want your chair for the swing. 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:09,600 Yeah, but mine's older. 5 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:12,640 Oh, it's creaky as well, isn't it? 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,200 I know, but I feel like I'm about to drive my car. 7 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:16,320 Why? What, because you're sat up? 8 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:16,820 Yeah. 9 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,440 Someone might let me put my feet on the wall. 10 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,440 Yeah, because I'm just scared that you've got a precariously placed hot chocolate 11 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,520 with precariously placed feet. 12 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,520 So if you slip and hit that hot chocolate, 13 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,080 it's going to go all over that interface. 14 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:30,880 Would it though? 15 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:31,380 Yes. 16 00:00:31,380 --> 00:00:31,880 No. 17 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:32,880 Yes, it would. 18 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,400 Anyway. Hello. 19 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:35,460 Hello. 20 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,840 Episode 71, I think. 21 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:40,640 Is it? 22 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,880 Nearly 100. Nearly 100. 23 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,560 I know it's, I know it's what, 29 weeks, 24 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,840 which makes it sound way more than what it actually is. 25 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:50,800 Like, like- 26 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,400 29 weeks till 100? 27 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:52,900 Yeah. 28 00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:56,020 Oh. Yeah. Yeah. 29 00:00:56,020 --> 00:00:56,520 So, 30 00:00:59,940 --> 00:01:00,440 What? 31 00:01:01,060 --> 00:01:02,100 Nothing. I'm just thinking. 32 00:01:02,660 --> 00:01:05,220 Could you imagine if you end up, 33 00:01:05,220 --> 00:01:08,180 because you obviously say the number every time we start it, 34 00:01:08,180 --> 00:01:10,020 you imagine we get into the thousands. 35 00:01:10,020 --> 00:01:13,140 This is episode 1747. 36 00:01:14,180 --> 00:01:15,780 You'll probably stop saying it by then. 37 00:01:15,780 --> 00:01:19,780 An intro by then. Maybe by 100 we'll stop saying what episode it is. 38 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:20,980 Maybe that'll be the finish. 39 00:01:20,980 --> 00:01:21,380 What's up? 40 00:01:21,380 --> 00:01:23,380 Face me just another little bit. 41 00:01:23,380 --> 00:01:25,540 We're in a, we're in, we're in the bedroom. 42 00:01:26,260 --> 00:01:26,900 How are we? 43 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:27,700 We're in the bedroom. 44 00:01:28,580 --> 00:01:30,180 Just because it's fucking easier for us. 45 00:01:30,180 --> 00:01:32,500 Plus, it's bitterly cold. 46 00:01:33,220 --> 00:01:34,340 Oh, it's freezing. Cold snap. 47 00:01:34,340 --> 00:01:36,260 And the podcast room's mouldy. I won't lie. 48 00:01:36,260 --> 00:01:37,220 Yeah. Well- 49 00:01:37,220 --> 00:01:37,720 It stinks. 50 00:01:38,420 --> 00:01:40,420 I don't know if it's mouldy. I don't think it's mouldy. 51 00:01:40,420 --> 00:01:42,100 It's just, it's just damp, man. 52 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:43,300 And when you bang that heating on, 53 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:46,420 yeah, I already knew that your nose wouldn't have liked it. 54 00:01:46,420 --> 00:01:46,920 No. 55 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,100 I was like, no, we're good. We're good. 56 00:01:48,100 --> 00:01:49,060 We'll bring this one upstairs. 57 00:01:49,060 --> 00:01:51,700 So yeah, we were, well, I say we, it was me. 58 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:54,340 It was, like I said earlier, literally a second ago. 59 00:01:54,340 --> 00:01:56,180 It would have been great to have a stand 60 00:01:56,180 --> 00:01:57,860 and then you could have played Baldur's Gate 61 00:01:58,500 --> 00:01:59,940 while we're sat here chatting. 62 00:02:00,740 --> 00:02:01,220 But- 63 00:02:01,220 --> 00:02:02,740 I wouldn't have been engaged with you though. 64 00:02:02,740 --> 00:02:04,340 Yeah. I don't know how much of the story 65 00:02:04,340 --> 00:02:06,340 you wouldn't be able to pay attention to because 66 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:09,540 you'd have fucking headphones on and me in your ear going, 67 00:02:09,540 --> 00:02:10,420 nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh. 68 00:02:10,420 --> 00:02:13,700 Yeah. It really threw me yesterday because right before I stopped playing, 69 00:02:13,700 --> 00:02:15,700 Lae'zel came onto me. 70 00:02:16,340 --> 00:02:17,460 And it really, I was like, 71 00:02:17,460 --> 00:02:19,460 um, no, no, thank you. 72 00:02:19,460 --> 00:02:22,020 I was so awkward. I've already blushed while I'm talking about it. 73 00:02:22,020 --> 00:02:24,020 She was just, she was, I want to taste you. 74 00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:26,020 Is it, ugh, ugh, which one's she? 75 00:02:26,020 --> 00:02:28,820 It's like we're in a fucking, we're in, I was in the Hag's, um, 76 00:02:28,820 --> 00:02:31,220 like lair thing. She's the one, she's the Githyanki. 77 00:02:31,220 --> 00:02:33,220 Oh, that was, that was breathy. 78 00:02:33,220 --> 00:02:33,720 Gith. 79 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,220 Githyanki. Githyanki. She's green. She's got like a little nose. 80 00:02:38,580 --> 00:02:39,620 I don't know, yeah. 81 00:02:39,620 --> 00:02:42,900 Oh, well, what, the, what, on the, on the ship at the beginning? 82 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:44,260 She's the one that's on the ship with you at the start, yeah. 83 00:02:44,260 --> 00:02:45,780 Oh, oh, you did find her. 84 00:02:45,780 --> 00:02:47,300 Oh, oh, you did find her. 85 00:02:48,420 --> 00:02:50,260 You can't not find her. She finds you really. 86 00:02:50,260 --> 00:02:51,220 She's the first one. 87 00:02:51,220 --> 00:02:53,620 Who's the one that was in the, that's dangling in the cage? 88 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:54,120 Oh, yes. 89 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:54,620 At the beginning. 90 00:02:54,620 --> 00:02:55,120 Yeah, sorry. 91 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:55,620 Oh, yes. 92 00:02:55,620 --> 00:02:56,120 Yeah. 93 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:56,620 Yes. 94 00:02:57,460 --> 00:02:58,340 So you did find her. 95 00:02:58,340 --> 00:02:59,060 Yeah, she found me. 96 00:02:59,060 --> 00:03:00,340 You went back for her. 97 00:03:00,340 --> 00:03:02,580 Yeah. Oh, yeah. I hadn't gone over there yet. 98 00:03:03,220 --> 00:03:07,940 Um, I'm pretty much only, I'm only just, um, 99 00:03:08,660 --> 00:03:10,980 because the map is, you discover the map as you go along. 100 00:03:10,980 --> 00:03:11,480 Yeah, yeah. 101 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,440 And I'm only just sort of reaching the borders of it now. 102 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,040 The borders of Bouldersgate. 103 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:25,560 Yes. Um, yeah. Because I hadn't, it's quite hard. Well, it's not hard, but 104 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:33,720 yeah, I don't know how to describe it really, but I'm kind of getting around now. Um, and yeah, 105 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,560 she, it was right after, um, but I wouldn't mind. I've not even been like, 106 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:42,120 like a lot of the stuff that I've been doing, she's been disapproving of, but she just, she's got it. 107 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,640 She wants her. Yeah, but she's that, she's that, like, um, that bad girl character, isn't she? 108 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,760 I feel like she's, she's just an evil person. So you do evil things. She wants, she wants you. 109 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,920 No, we ever know. That's what I'm saying. She's been saying a lot of it. No, I think what I, 110 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:02,600 I might have got a lot of kudos with, um, we found these other gifts who were basically going to kill 111 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:12,920 us. And I, I've got quite high persuasion and, um, I rolled for it and it worked. So we kind of like 112 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,640 lied to them. I like nodded her to say play along. She liked that. A star in really liked it as well. 113 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:25,160 He was inspired. Yeah. Um, yeah. And then literally fought this hag thing. Well, no, haven't yet. 114 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,520 It was like her minions. Um, she's actually evading me at the moment. I can't find her. 115 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:35,480 And then, yeah, I just like casually spoke to her and she was like, I think so much more of you than 116 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:43,160 I did before. We've got, um, Steph's now playing, obviously you're playing Baldur's gate on the 117 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:51,000 steam deck at the moment for quite a bit and switched over from keyboard and mouse to controller. 118 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:57,640 Yeah. Because obviously you've sunk in far more hours than what are you up to? Like it must be 119 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:04,360 our 20 something. Yeah. So it's quite, it's quite a chunk considering mine was like 120 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:11,400 three or four hours, which is shocking to me. But it just didn't, I know it's weird. It's so odd. 121 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:21,720 Yeah. I think that the, obviously I'm far more a console gamer than a PC gamer literally. I mean, 122 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:27,720 obviously if you're counting on the, you know, in terms of like early childhood, obviously it 123 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,840 was a lot more PC because everyone was, yeah. I remember paying like Far Cry one or something on 124 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:39,480 my, on my PC. Yeah. See, it was very much like very stereotypical, I guess the Sims and, um, 125 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,560 Mulan who knew? Well, I have, I'd like some fucking, where you were like a doctor and you 126 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,200 was running a hospital. Yeah. Well, for whatever that was fucking called, I couldn't do it. I 127 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,880 couldn't do it. And Judge Dredd, but I think that was on the PlayStation and I got stuck at 128 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,680 the beginning because you had to handcuff people and I couldn't work it out. I swear, like honestly, 129 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:04,280 kids these days will never understand the difficulties. But, um, yeah. So having played 130 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:12,680 probably the first seven or eight hours purely with like mouse and keyboard, um, it was okay. 131 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,440 And it was, it was, it was all right. Like I didn't, I didn't necessarily have a problem with it. 132 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:24,040 Um, it was actually playing it then on the Steam Deck, um, which obviously is, is controller layout. 133 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:30,360 Um, slight, there's some things that are almost too simple, but I can appreciate why they've done 134 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:36,680 it because obviously you can't have that same, you know, clickable everything. Yeah. Um, and there's 135 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:43,320 some things that are very, very different between the two, um, to the extent where it's like, 136 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:49,720 literally what I've understood so far, there's things that you can't do in the sense that like, 137 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:55,160 it's like control C or shift C is group hired. Well, I cannot find group hired on the controller 138 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,680 so far. Um, it's probably there. Yeah, probably. It probably will be there. We, um, well, yeah, 139 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,720 but the displays are different as well. Like what you can see is completely different. 140 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,440 And the, yeah, the field of, the field of view is it, cause it takes it from a, from a click to move 141 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:19,480 to a third person movement with the analog sticks, which I think, cause I've never actually played 142 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:25,800 it like that, but that was one of the things that I really disliked on the PC was that click to 143 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:31,800 movement. I hated it with Diablo. I just don't, I don't like it. RuneScape. I'm not just not, 144 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,040 not a fan of that kind of movement. I feel like you're, you're too locked in. And I found 145 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:41,080 for those very short hours that I was playing, I found myself going like clicking as far as I could. 146 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:46,040 And then you just sat there waiting for your characters to slowly fucking waddle over. See, 147 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,320 I wonder, cause I remember telling you at the time, not to say I'm always right, but I remember 148 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,600 telling you at the time and you were like, no, I'm not playing, I'm not playing a controller or a PC 149 00:07:54,600 --> 00:08:01,400 game. And actually I think potentially that could have maybe swung it for you. Yeah, I don't know 150 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:06,360 why. Cause the times when I played a game with controller on the laptop, for some reason, it just 151 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,280 feels dirty. I don't know why it's not about it. Not feeling good. It just doesn't feel, 152 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,200 it feels odd. I think, I think because the screen's smaller than the telly and I'm so used to 153 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:22,520 playing. I was having a great time yesterday. I had my hands under the blanket. Not in that way. 154 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:29,000 I mean, excuse me, with the controller. 155 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,400 Getting that haptic feedback. 156 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,920 Yeah. But you, and it's literally, there's no, it doesn't struggle at all. Like I was 157 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:48,840 a couple of times wanting to look at something and you just literally just switch the USBs over and 158 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:54,520 it picks it up without, you don't have to do anything. It's so easy. It's nice. So yeah, 159 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,080 I think for the moment, as I say, it was the Steam Deck that swung it because I sunk quite a few 160 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:06,680 hours, more rather consecutive hours on the Steam Deck, which made me think, oh, let's try it on 161 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:15,720 there. But as far as the Steam Deck's performance, it's acceptable. Well, when we first put it on, 162 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:22,200 it looked fucking awful. Yeah, it looked really good. But then I looked up a guide on IGN 163 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:32,120 for the settings to fuck around with. And you pretty much, you take out the unnecessary stuff, 164 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:39,720 but the unnecessary stuff to most people now is kind of necessary. You don't realise how necessary 165 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:45,480 it is until you take out things like the shadows or the ground clutter, or they call it the God 166 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,160 Rays. So the sun beaming through a window and stuff like that. And like you say, you've got an 167 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,360 issue with the hair because it just doesn't look right. It doesn't look as good. But it's, 168 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:03,560 yeah, I mean, it's working. It's certainly, yeah, it's another avenue to be able to play it. 169 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:08,600 Yeah, because also you're not necessarily wanting to play a game like that on a screen that's what, 170 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:18,040 eight inches. And it's almost like, well, I don't know, you're doing a disservice almost, you know, 171 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:26,360 to do. But it certainly, it doesn't, I've never been very like, as long as it's playable, it's fine. 172 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:32,680 Well, it's one of those where you can see the direction that things like the Steam Deck is 173 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:39,320 going in, in that it can successfully run these types of AAA games. I suppose it's not AAA. 174 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:45,720 As long as you plug it in. Yeah. And that is from a graphic point of view. We aren't 175 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,520 there yet in terms of being able to run it the same way you would anywhere else. Like you say, 176 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:55,160 it just can't, it's just not powerful enough to be able to do that. I think most of the settings 177 00:10:55,160 --> 00:11:01,160 are like medium to low sort of thing. And yeah, the battery life is a real big issue because 178 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,720 I would imagine running that full power, you probably only get like an hour, hour and a half 179 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:11,880 out of it. Like not a lot. We, I'll say we, I was flicking through because when I downloaded it on 180 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:17,080 the Steam Deck, there's, and it's a feature that I really wish they'd add in much like they've got 181 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:22,040 on PlayStation where you can put a PlayStation into sleep mode, like into rest mode and it will 182 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:28,120 continue downloading whatever it's downloading. Steam Deck, you can't do that. So the only option 183 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:33,640 is to leave it running, leave it downloading and turn the brightness all the way down because the 184 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,800 screen, even though I've got a setting where I think it's like after 10 minutes or something of 185 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:43,480 inactivity, it turns, turns the screen off when it's downloading, that doesn't engage. So the 186 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,520 screen won't ever turn off, which makes sense because then just make it so you can put it in 187 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,560 fucking rest mode. So that's when I realised that I got a bit panicky about leaving it plugged in 188 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:57,400 all night because I want to keep doing that because obviously that doesn't do the battery 189 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:03,320 any good with it constantly being worked and just being plugged in. And that's when I found out that 190 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:08,680 it actually bypasses the battery altogether when you plug it in, when it reaches a certain percentage 191 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:15,320 of battery, which I think is like between 90 and 100% or somewhere around there. Because it already, 192 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:22,280 when you charge it, it runs up to 100 and then disengages the charge and then drops down from 193 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:27,640 anywhere between 90 to 95 and then goes back up again and then drops down and goes back up again. 194 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,360 So stop it from running all the way down. And that's, it was a feature that they never really 195 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,160 explained very well. So you had a lot of people complaining when they got the Steam Decks that 196 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,760 they were broken because when they were plugging them in, charging them, coming back to them, 197 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,560 they're like 90%. They're like, it's not charging my Steam Decks, but it's because it's trickling 198 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:48,200 it down and letting it go back up. And yeah, I didn't realise that while you're playing it, 199 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,880 once it reaches past that certain point, it completely bypasses the battery if it's plugged 200 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:57,800 in and just runs straight from the mains. So it's not affecting the battery at all. And I feel like 201 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:03,640 that laptop is the same because that battery has always been shit. They've never branded it as 202 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:09,960 being having a good battery because why would it? It's powerful. So whenever I do battery care on 203 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,280 that, and I've had that for quite a while now, it still says it's 100% absolutely fine. Nothing 204 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,760 wrong with it. And that thing is always plugged in. It never gets switched on without it being 205 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:25,000 plugged into the mains. So maybe that's got the same kind of thing going on. 206 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:25,560 It makes sense. 207 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:29,000 But I just thought it was very clever because you don't get a lot of time on that Steam Deck. 208 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,560 That is one of the awful things about it is from a battery point of view, it's shocking. 209 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:39,880 It's really, really poor. Obviously you've got the OLED version now, which is the version that 210 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:46,120 I've got, the original was two to eight hours worth of battery time. The OLED version is three to 12. 211 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:54,840 Still not a fucking great amount. And that is such a broad scale because it's like, right, so if I 212 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,960 turn it on and do nothing, you might get 12 hours out of it. But if I turn it on and then load up 213 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:05,160 vampire survivors and do nothing on it, but just have it sit there running, you might get six hours. 214 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:10,520 And then if you start playing it, then it's going to drop down. Like when I'm playing Wolfenstein, 215 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:16,440 that I can have that 100 percent. And then I maybe get, if I'm lucky, like two hours out of it. 216 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:22,920 And then I've got to charge it again. So the battery on that is shit. 217 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:23,400 Yeah. 218 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:29,480 I mean, how much was the switch get from full to so say you're playing 219 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,000 It's difficult. 220 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,280 Tears of the Kingdom, something like that. 221 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,200 Tears of the Kingdom, something like that. 222 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:43,000 I can't remember. But the, because I mean, I so like my original switch, that's they quietly 223 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:53,960 released it. But that being said though, hardly like I find it very few times. Maybe it's the 224 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,640 way I play it or whatever, but do I go, oh no, I've got to stop playing. It's running out of battery. 225 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:58,760 Like it handles it quite well. 226 00:14:58,760 --> 00:14:59,320 Yeah. 227 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:04,680 I think it's something like maybe five to nine. 228 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:11,240 Yeah. I think it all comes down to the hardware, doesn't it? If your hardware requires more power 229 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:20,520 to run because it's more sophisticated or just bigger, more powerful, then it's going to use far 230 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,600 more battery life. 231 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,680 Yeah. OLED four and a half to nine. Oh my God, I wasn't viral. 232 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:33,000 Hmm. So I think you, as time gets on, you'll see both of those things begin to increase. I feel 233 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:41,640 like you'll be able to get a more powerful console in a smaller package. But alongside with that, 234 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:48,040 you'll be able to get a better battery with, to accommodate that extra power. You know what I 235 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,120 mean? The batteries should be getting better than. 236 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:56,360 Yeah. They're very limited. It was like that. I mean, God, I remember hearing about it in school, 237 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:01,000 which is obviously not too long ago. About 10 years ago. 238 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:11,640 No, it's nearly like 10 years ago. You know, Oh, for you it is 11 years. 11. Yeah. Oh my God. 239 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,440 You're only 10, mate. Okay. Not that old. But I remember then when they were talking about, 240 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:22,120 you know, about how this, the super computers and all of that, but they're, they're so, so limited 241 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:29,720 because it just gets so hot. Yeah. I mean, I think that. I mean, they still have to keep them in 242 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:35,080 like big rooms and super computers. Yeah. And it's literally like 90% of it's just to cool it down. 243 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:42,840 Yeah. And it's something that's like that fucking big or something. Yeah. I think that it's certainly, 244 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,840 they've realized it's a bit like almost like battle royales for like everyone's turning their heads to 245 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,800 churn out. Yeah. You know, the next, the next fortnight, the next thing that is, I think 246 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,480 handhelds kind of go in the same way. They've gone out of favor. Yeah. And now they're kind of 247 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:06,520 coming. I can't remember the names of them, but obviously with the Sony portal has obviously come 248 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:12,520 out, um, seeing a lot on the, on the PlayStation groups on Facebook and stuff and like on Reddit 249 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,080 and things like that, where a lot of people are posting up their, their pools and other reviews 250 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:22,280 on them and how they think of them. And they, they don't look that bad. Definitely not my cup of tea, 251 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:27,960 nor do I see a necessity where I would need to spend that kind of money to do that, like to, 252 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:33,800 to have that capability. So say like, for example, you could, cause even then you could carry on 253 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,320 playing the switch, which one I'm playing the PlayStation, because you can just not dock it. 254 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,920 But if you wanted to dock it and I had the portal, that's when you can swap it around. 255 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:47,240 But it's like, it's a big expense to, to want to do that. It's more for, I feel like the family 256 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,520 type of scenario where you've got, you've got your partner, you've got a couple of kids that like the, 257 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,560 that's where it's kind of marketed at. 258 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,960 Well, it's the Wii U 10 years later. Yeah. 259 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:03,880 Which I don't, it from, from what I've, honestly, just as Wii U, from what I've gathered, the, 260 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:10,040 the reviews on it are quite decent. Um, I know there's like connection issues and, and things 261 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:15,160 and things like that. But alongside that, with people posting up their reviews and how they feel 262 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,840 about it and all that shit, you get a lot of people, one who are just posting stuff to, 263 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,360 to rip the shit out of it for the sake of ripping the shit out of it. And two, 264 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:28,520 a lot of people posting up their handhelds saying, well, I've just got this, I'll just cast this, 265 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,320 blah, blah, blah. This is better. But the amount of different handhelds that I'm seeing, I never 266 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,640 even heard of them. I can't remember the name of names of half of them. Like obviously you've got, 267 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:43,880 you've got the steam that you got the, the, the rogue, you got the actually, um, ROG, ROG. Um, 268 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:49,320 why would you just, why would you call it that? But the, um, the other one, I can't remember 269 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:54,120 genuinely, uh, one day I'll get a list of all of them so that I actually know them. 270 00:18:54,120 --> 00:19:00,360 But I've just seen recently some, like some proper off-brand ones I've never heard of 271 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:08,920 that are obviously some kind of competitor to, to the big rivals. It's, it's cool to see the, 272 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:17,480 the difference and the, um, the variety of handhelds. But it's like, who's gonna, 273 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:23,640 who's gonna win? Someone always has to come out on top of them. Yeah. It's that innovation 274 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,800 that I spoke about ages ago, like good couple of months ago when I was saying, 275 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,120 you'll see more and more handhelds coming out and you'll see more and more people going, 276 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:35,000 well, that's a good idea. We'll use that, but we'll tweak it into this and then we'll do that. 277 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,320 And we'll do that. So it's who's going to come out with the one that overall is the best 278 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:44,120 is what I'm interested in. I don't think that there's such a thing because your opinion of 279 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:47,960 what's the best and my opinion is what's the best. I suppose if you're talking in terms of like 280 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:54,200 sales, yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, but even then that fluctuates. What, what gets it one year, 281 00:19:54,200 --> 00:20:03,320 won't get it the next. But it's the same with VR. That feels like a world where we were so involved 282 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:12,200 with it and now not a fucking clue, not a clue. What is it? MetaQuest two, three, two, and then 283 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:20,600 you've got the VR two, Oculus, whatever. Um, there's loads of different, it's just, it's a whole, 284 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,160 there's a couple of people that follow on TikTok that are gamers and a couple of them have switched 285 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:33,080 over to just doing VR stuff only. It's so alien to me, like so alien people playing multiplayer 286 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,960 games, but in VR, I just, cause all I can remember is when we first got it and I played that demo 287 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,960 game where he was in space in that mecha suit bouncing around from planet to planet and how 288 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:48,520 fucking grim I felt after that. Jesus Christ. That was horrible. Five year anniversary. 289 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:56,120 It was five years. Congratulations. Thank you. That's the thing. Yeah. The motion sickness, 290 00:20:56,120 --> 00:21:04,600 but then I like, I enjoy, um, what's it called? Beat Saber. But I think we've kind of, I'm pretty 291 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,160 sure we've said it on the pod before where it's like that. How many times do you crack it out 292 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,080 when people come around just for like the novelty and the laugh, but then as far as like actually 293 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,560 going, Oh, I've come home from work and I really want to play a game. I'm going to get my VR out. 294 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,400 Yeah. No, but then that's not to say that other people are not, you know, at the end of the day, 295 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:26,680 a lot of people do do that. Um, and congratulations for them and their brain, not getting violently 296 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:33,560 emotions sick. Um, but I suppose we're just kind of not in that, not in that world. Yeah. I think 297 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:41,720 the most comfortable I felt was when Michelle come round with and bought her meta quest playing 298 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:49,400 on that compared to the PlayStation VR was so wildly different because you think that in PS VR, 299 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:55,080 the OG one, you got to, you got to plug all them wires in. Was it like three or four different 300 00:21:55,080 --> 00:22:00,200 fucking wires that you got to plug in an entire unit that runs everything through that. They 301 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,680 were saying runs into the PlayStation, blah, blah, blah, blah. But then you got two, 302 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,400 was it one or two cables coming out of the headset? I think it might've been one, 303 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,560 but to put the fucking thing on, there's that button on top, which, which adjusts the, the 304 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,640 goggles themselves and then the button at the back, which adjusted the fucking, the headset 305 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,680 itself. And then you got to bang that on and then you got, you got to click it all in and then you 306 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,920 got to level it up with your eyes and make it not blur and stuff like that. And then you've got to 307 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:32,520 find the controllers and obviously where it was a very first step into VR. A lot of VR, um, 308 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:38,040 consoles now have that, like with the meta quest where you can see your surroundings whilst you've 309 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,360 got the headset on, which is a fucking game changer because it just means that unlike the VR, 310 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:47,800 like the PSVR where you're fumbling around trying to put the fucking, the, the, um, what were they 311 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,800 even called? Motion controllers, the motion controllers on and shit like that. And trying 312 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:56,520 to figure out where you are putting on that meta quest for the first time was just so much easier 313 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,760 because you've got none of that shit. Yeah. There's no wires whatsoever. It's all completely 314 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:09,640 battery and the games themselves are in the headset. So when it comes to a, cause we found 315 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,200 with the PSVR, it was, unless you turn the lights off and put the blinds down, it wouldn't pick up 316 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,960 the controllers properly or you'd be stepping out of the zone and it would be, it would be all 317 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,200 fucking up. You step out of the zone. It just goes black. How is that helpful? It's not helpful at 318 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,720 all. You go, all right, I can't see anything now. I know I'm out of the zone I should be in and I'm 319 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:31,240 so blind. But I can't see it. Whereas the meta quest obviously doesn't have any of that. Obviously 320 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:38,200 it has a grid, but you can change that per your surroundings and there's none of that, um, that 321 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:43,320 loss of connectivity with the controls because they're right in your hands and they're bouncing 322 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:49,320 off the headset themselves rather than everything else. So much better, which slightly intrigues me 323 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,040 to see how they've built upon that because I feel like there's a lot that's gone on in, in the VR 324 00:23:54,040 --> 00:24:00,840 world since we first experienced meta quest. Um, and I know like the PSVR two still hasn't cracked 325 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,800 it because they've still got a fucking wire dangling out the back of the headset, but I know 326 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:12,520 everyone adopted sort of like the same controllers where it was like the, yeah, the front. So, and 327 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:21,480 then there's one, is it meta quest? The ones that PSVR one used, they've been around since PS3. 328 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,520 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Essentially like just new batteries and a new port, you know, instead of 329 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:32,840 a mini USB, it's a USB-C or whatever. And that literally, like we had some somewhere from, 330 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,880 yeah, yeah. I find it crazy that we had to go to fucking Paris. Well, yeah. Didn't go there 331 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,560 specifically for those controllers, but just, Hey, yeah, walk past them before. Fuck it. I need to 332 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:47,560 get this because you can't get them in the UK. Um, you couldn't get hold of VRs at all. No, 333 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:53,720 but that, but there's a VR that I've seen where it tracks your fingers, your whole hand. 334 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:59,800 So you don't need a controller. It will track your whole, your movements. I don't think it's 335 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:05,400 quite cool, but it's just not enough to, like I say, for me, it's still novelty. Yeah. I want, 336 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:12,840 I would want some real games that I want to play, you know, and can sit and play for at least a 337 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:18,840 couple of hours. Um, cause it don't get me wrong. I do enjoy it. Like as, as a, as a sort of party 338 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:25,240 game, if you will, um, you know, where it is funny seeing people walk the plank and, or the shark tank, 339 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:31,720 things like that, that genuinely enjoyable. But is that enough to then purchase that for the time 340 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,960 when, you know, if you're going to pull it out once or twice a year or at Christmas or whatever, 341 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:43,320 it kind of trips into, no, like I wouldn't spend any more money than we already have at the moment 342 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:50,680 to get something new when, when those things are that, you know what I mean? They are mega 343 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:57,960 expensive as well. Getting like the new VR, that PSVR two is like 600 or a quid. Yeah. It's a lot 344 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:03,400 of money to throw out something like, at least that's what the original one had on its side was 345 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:10,040 that it was the cheapest one out there. Yeah. It was an entry level fucking VR. Um, yeah, but then 346 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:15,320 not, it was for you wouldn't be if you needed to buy the PlayStation as well. Yeah. Yeah. And I 347 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:20,360 suppose to be fair, I say it was an entry level. It was still like fucking 300 quid or 200 and 348 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:26,120 something, something around there. Yeah. So it's still, still fucking expensive. I got, um, 349 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:32,760 someone I was working with the other day. He had just bought a Nintendo switch for his, 350 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:39,160 for his nephew, I think. And obviously he was talking to him about like gaming and stuff like 351 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:45,640 that. And he said like, he's, he's one of those where for, for money reasons, I'd imagine he 352 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,240 doesn't get the new consoles. He gets the old one when the new one comes out, which obviously is 353 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,360 quite substantially cheaper, which is, I think a lot of people do that. And I think you're so much 354 00:26:56,360 --> 00:27:02,600 more able to do that now because the difference between them is so far, so less than say PS2 to 355 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:08,840 PS3. Yeah. Um, and I was talking to him about switch games and he was like, I didn't realize 356 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,800 how expensive games were. He was like, he was like, what the fuck? He was like, I don't. So I was 357 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,520 saying to him like Facebook marketplace and eBay and stuff like that. Cause he was like buying them 358 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,720 out of the case is cheaper than buying them with the case. But obviously you might have to correct 359 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:29,480 me because I don't know. I'm pretty sure what I was saying was right, but you can't CD keys and 360 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:36,040 stuff like that doesn't work on. Yeah, it does. Does it? On the switch? Yeah. Yeah. I bought my, 361 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:42,440 I bought my membership on CD keys. My online, my, it was about 10 quid cheaper on CD keys. 362 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:48,360 Does the, can you buy digital games on CD keys for the switch? Probably. I thought it was 363 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,760 digital. You could only buy it through the Nintendo store. No, you can enter codes. 364 00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:01,320 You can. Yeah. Hmm. What did, what, what you had a conversation about before? 365 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,160 Or was it, we had a conversation about how stupidly expensive the Nintendo store can be. 366 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,760 Yeah. Which I think is the same for basically every store. 367 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,600 Um, sorry. I'm giving him some misinformation by accident. I'm sorry, Kush. 368 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,480 I mean, it could be, I mean, you can certainly get gift cards and you might get like five or 369 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,760 often. I won't say anything in stone because I made them, made this mistake the other, 370 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,920 another week talking about PlayStation that you couldn't use CD keys and you definitely can. 371 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:37,720 Yeah. Uh, yeah, we can just dance, Nintendo sports, animal crossing, Mario Kart 8, 372 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,480 Mario Brothers Wonder. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know where you got that from kid. 373 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:52,200 I've just died. What am I about? Well, I, I, uh, I don't, I just want to interject at this, 374 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,520 at this point, the last time I was on the pod, I was speaking to someone, you might know him, 375 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:04,840 who said about how he wasn't going to play well and how nothing was going to get, 376 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,680 they're going to drag him back into it until they release, you know, all of the new stuff. 377 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:16,520 He was very, very adamant about this fact. Is it clear to say fact? Yeah. It was a fact. Um, 378 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,880 some may call it a fact. Do you know, do you know who that might be that I was talking about? It's 379 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:28,520 certainly not, certainly not the man I'm sitting in front of right now. You, who has been sinking, 380 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,560 what would you say is between now and that pod, which was what, did you immediately redownload it 381 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:39,720 after that, that pod or was it the day after? I think it might've been that same day. Yeah. 382 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:47,560 Uh, it's nice to see the front of your head. Yeah. Um, 383 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:55,560 I'm looking at the fucking back of it for three weeks. Um, yeah. What can I say? What can I say? 384 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,920 Addictive. There's a, there's a fantastic community there. 385 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:11,000 No, I've got, so what have you been playing lately? Reese may have been playing some world of 386 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:21,080 warcraft. Is it some? Yeah. What can I say? Please con got me feeling away that I haven't felt about 387 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:28,280 a game for a long time. Look, I've been burnt by assassin's Creed mirage. I thought I was getting 388 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:38,040 a bit of nostalgia back. So I was, I was in a vulnerable position and Chris Metson come on 389 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:44,760 the stage and showed us free new expansions and his plan. And he is the godfather when it comes to 390 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:50,040 world warcraft. So he's, you hang on every word that he says, he knows the power that he's got. 391 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,960 He understands it. He doesn't abuse it. So if you go back and listen to the last pod I was on, 392 00:30:53,960 --> 00:31:00,360 you'll hear Reese live through his teeth. I didn't know what I was saying. For approximately 45 393 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:06,840 minutes. I was confused and it didn't just lie to me. I know, I know, but these, these people 394 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,160 don't play world of warcraft. They don't understand. They don't get it. How do you know? How do you know 395 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,800 that no one listens? Who's playing well? That's a point to be fair. I'm thinking maybe a patron. 396 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:25,320 Yeah. Um, maybe some of you do. If you do Lengar's hashtag two nine nine four. That's my battle tag. 397 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,640 If anyone wants to get involved, join a very nice guild with lots of very nice people. 398 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:37,240 This is the thing. Um, obviously, no, I was actually going to interject. Hang on. Go on. I, 399 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,680 I'm happy for you. You know what I mean? Like you're never as happy as you are. 400 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:47,560 Wow. That came out wrong as well. But no, it's nice. It's a little discord or whatever. 401 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,920 I don't know. That sounds so patronizing, but I don't mean it in a patronizing way. 402 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:56,840 I mean, it's really cute. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. I get it. It, um, it's a, 403 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,640 I don't know. It's like a drug to me. Well, I've, I've, I've played this game for so long 404 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:11,160 and have always pretty much been a solo player. I've had, I've been, yeah, I've been part of 405 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:17,320 guilds where we've done some raiding and, and things like that. But when it comes to day to day 406 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,960 play, playing, doing Dungeons and Quests and things like that, very solo, very on my own. 407 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:27,800 And the last couple of expansions that felt genuinely lonely because that nostalgia side of it 408 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:34,600 is gone. And you just find yourself grinding forever and ever on your own and you get burnt out. 409 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:41,560 So when I've joined this guild, I thought what I've normally done in the past is when I've joined 410 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:47,320 guilds and stuff like that, much like how Ash works is you join these communities and then you 411 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:53,160 sit to the side and you just observe, but you still feel lonely because you're not, you're not 412 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,000 interacting with these people. So you've just joined a group, but you're, you're in a different 413 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:03,080 building. Like it doesn't, you might as well not fucking joined it. And when I joined the guild, 414 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:11,160 that's aptly named hoofs and hoes, I was like, well, let me, let me put myself out there a bit 415 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,360 more. What's funny is that they don't know I do a podcast. Yeah. I haven't told them that I, 416 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,480 that I do this. Probably for the best when you were slugging off what we won't mention. 417 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:27,640 Quite possibly, quite possibly, which I'm so terrified about if they find out because me and 418 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:33,160 him get on pretty well. And I can't remember how harsh I was being on that podcast. I know I was 419 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:39,880 getting annoyed. I still do get annoyed. Um, but we just different play styles, but it's the, 420 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:49,480 in other words, he's good and I'm not, it's the, now that I've put myself out there and, and I speak 421 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:55,320 to these people quite a lot and obviously interact very, very much on the discord and get involved 422 00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:01,320 with people doing dungeons and doing rounds that we're waiting, um, today. It, it's a different 423 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:09,480 feeling because it's very almost wholesome. You feel like you're a part of something much like, 424 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:16,120 much like this podcast where quite a few people listen now and a lot of people at work listen 425 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:22,680 and you have that interaction, not just from a, from a friend point of view, but from a podcast, 426 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:30,120 what's the buttons community type of thing. So it, it feels very much like that where I know 427 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:36,360 that I've always got people that I can interact with. And when, before this patch come out, 428 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:42,760 so the update previous, obviously we did the, we did the latest raid, did it on normal mode and 429 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,800 then did it on heroic where you get ahead of the curve. And then it sort of just dies down. You, 430 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:53,160 you hit the rating that you want in mythic plus, you, you sort of hit a ceiling as such. And then 431 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,400 quite naturally everyone just dissipates and you go off and you do your other things and you play 432 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,840 other games. We do, you just do other stuff for like 90% of the people in this guild. And that 433 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:10,680 is exactly what happened. And the discord was like silent. Whereas now as is the cycle, new update, 434 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:19,240 new raid, we're in week two now. So there's a much bigger buzz and people are working towards 435 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,440 something, which is, which is great. And then obviously with the fact that you've got free 436 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,960 expansions that have been announced, there's a lot more talk of, of like, what could happen with the 437 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:34,760 law and this and that and things. And I feel like people, including myself, were just getting more 438 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:40,680 involved this time round. Not that I weren't very involved last time, but it just feels, 439 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:48,280 it feels like a lot less pressure. And rather than me just playing with strangers, I'm playing with 440 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:56,360 people who are like almost like friends in a sense. So I feel like I'm still heavily addicted, 441 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,400 but rather than me just being glued to the screen and playing on my own, I'm playing with, 442 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:08,280 with other people. So it feels more rewarding to do that. Yeah. And I think, yeah, it's without the, 443 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,400 the stress and the politics of running a guild because I feel like you had that similar community, 444 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,120 but it was also, again, we've said on the pod plenty of times, you know, that the, 445 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,640 you're coming home from work and going back to work and the buck was stopping with you. And it 446 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:29,640 just wasn't healthy. And it sounds, whereas this, I think it is a lot more, 447 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,200 or a lot less toxic and a lot more enjoyable because you can, like you say, dip in and dip out. 448 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,000 It's not, you know, Oh, I don't feel like playing it tonight. And it's Reese, you know, you've got 449 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,160 all of these different things that need doing and kick this person and, you know, announce this and 450 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,280 announce that like you don't have any of that. So you're able to just, cause I think, you know, 451 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,880 when you've, when you've played a game in this way for as long as you have, you probably will go 452 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,760 through like periods of sort of burnout. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's perfectly, perfectly, like, 453 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,520 Oh my God, the way, the way I honestly, I wasn't entirely sure you weren't coming to break up with 454 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:10,520 me when you came in that time. And you're like, I've left the guild. I've had to leave. But like 455 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:17,320 it was, it was real bad, like actual bad place. It's from an outside point of view. It seems 456 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:25,320 almost like childish. I would imagine it. No, no. If you, if you've never experienced something 457 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,920 like that, if you're not into, into gaming stuff, cause what it is, is it's a hobby. Gaming's a 458 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,600 hobby. World Warcraft is a hobby. Yeah. But when you, when you love it as much and you've spent 459 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,600 that much time and interact with it, as long as someone like myself has, it goes from still 460 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:46,360 remaining a hobby, but it means something to you, which I think gaming for us and for other gamers, 461 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:53,720 that's how it feels. It's a hobby, but it, it is. It's not something you can pick up and drop. No, 462 00:37:53,720 --> 00:38:01,000 it is a part of you. It's very similar to how my, my love for cars, obviously I haven't got a car 463 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,680 at the moment, but like, but like with Steve, that when you, when you love, when you're into cars, 464 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,880 the same way that I am, when you, when you get into a car that, that you're working on or like 465 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:18,200 that you really like, it's, you don't see it as you're getting into a car. It's, it's a part of 466 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,520 you when you're driving a car, you're not driving a car, you're, it's, it's a, it's a weird kind of 467 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,640 interaction. You don't just see it as an object. And I feel like that's the same with all of us 468 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,920 and probably the people that are listening with gaming is that it's not something that, 469 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:41,560 a bit of entertainment, it's our lives for the most part, a, a, or a pretty fucking big aspect 470 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,720 of your life. You think there's an escape from life. Yeah. You think this room that we're in 471 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:51,880 is surrounded by gaming, absolutely enveloped by it. And that is perfectly okay because that's how 472 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:59,800 we want it. And a lot of our enjoyment comes from gaming, a lot of our, our funny times or some sad, 473 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:06,520 like we've just the two of us when it comes to gaming, got a shit ton of, of, of memories from 474 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:15,400 given to us by the power of gaming. So when, when it comes to things like World of Warcraft, 475 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:21,240 and like you just say, when I left that guild that I had spent a long time creating, I still remember 476 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:27,000 we were walking in that park and we come up with the name and Call of the Void, by the way, the 477 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:34,360 Call of the Void, a very cool name. And to have built not an empire, but you were talking, there 478 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,320 was like three to 400 people in it. There was a lot of people in that guild. There was a lot going on 479 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,920 to almost not give up on it, but to say like, this is, this is too much. You do take it a 480 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:53,640 lot more serious because it isn't, it isn't just a hobby. You, you, you've spent time building 481 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,880 something the same way with this podcast at the moment on paper. This is a hobby on paper to me. 482 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:06,920 It's, it's such a big part of, of my life now and probably yours and Ash's and anyone else that is 483 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:13,880 listening, but the people closest to us that are involved with this podcast, it's, it's not just a 484 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:21,400 hobby. I mean, I want to go on. Just thinking about how in all of our email correspondence with 485 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:29,160 solicitors and brokers, lenders, anyone signing off his emails as what was it, co-creator and 486 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:36,680 editor of what's the button with the link, it's got the link tree on it on the end of every email 487 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:42,920 that's going to that actual, what did I, what did I say? It's, um, I figured, fuck it. Why not? It says 488 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,520 host producer and editor of the what's the buttons podcast. And then there's the link tree 489 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,560 underneath it. And when I, when I first did that signature, I also put the logo of what's the 490 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:59,000 buttons on it, but it was so big that it lagged up every single email and I couldn't type it in 491 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:07,400 time. And he thinks I had to get rid of it. I want to, I want to build it. I want to, I want to, 492 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:14,920 it's much more to me than, than a hobby. Um, and world of warcraft is, is the same and a lot of 493 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:22,840 games that I get heavily into are, are like that. I think that's the, that's the whole basis of an 494 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:28,920 MMO is that's what they're designed to do is to make you feel like that because there is a 495 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:34,840 longevity thing. They're designed to keep you playing. It's obviously doing it very fucking well. 496 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:42,120 Um, so yeah, when you talk about the guild that, that I left, it's, it's upsetting for me because 497 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,920 of the amount of time and effort that was put into it and the people that I met for it and blah, blah, 498 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,880 blah. And then it to essentially just crash and burn and no longer exist. Like I think the, 499 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,520 I can't even remember the people that I gave the guild to, but they, they changed it to like furry 500 00:41:54,520 --> 00:42:01,960 something like that was my baby. And you've just demoralized it to some like fucking idiotic 501 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:09,160 discord thing, like furry view or some shit like that. I was like, are you weirdos? Um, 502 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,200 I can't remember why we got onto that. No offense to anyone who is a furry who was listening. 503 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:20,840 It's odd. It's odd. It's odd. Very, very important, very, um, unbiased on this podcast, 504 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:27,640 but the bit is odd. I think it's strange. It's just weird. Sorry. The Australian guy, 505 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,000 but I won't be spending any time on it. 506 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,200 So yeah, um, I'm back playing world of warcraft at the moment. 507 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:54,680 Um, it is what it is. It is what it is. I won't hide from it. This is how the cookie crumbles, 508 00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:11,480 mate. It's how the cookie crumbles. I'll run dry. Um, so yeah, it's, I was trying to think of, um, 509 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,400 sort of like gaming, gaming. There was a game that I saw, um, I was talking to Ash about it the 510 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:23,400 other day and for the life of me, I can't remember which is, which is quite bad, but it is apparently 511 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:30,360 a mixture between the division and Daisy. Right. I can't, but I can't remember what it was called. 512 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,720 It comes out on the 7th of December, I believe, or is that better? Well, either way you'll be 513 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:39,880 able to do something with it on the 7th of December. And it just very much looked like 514 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:47,320 the division too, but with zombies, but with the Daisy infantry and some aspects of like survival 515 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:54,040 side of it. Um, you've been playing lethal company, haven't you? Yeah. Yeah. Lethal company. 516 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,840 How have you spoke? Did you speak about the last week? I haven't listened to that shit. Sorry. 517 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:02,360 I think I did for a little bit. It's just hilarious, man. So funny. Me, 518 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:09,960 Connor and Brandon played it, um, the other day. Brandon hacked it basically. What he'd done was 519 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:18,440 both hilarious, but also sucked the fun right out of it at the end because it, I'd imagine from a, 520 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:25,000 you know how, when, um, tears of the kingdom come out and you were seeing all those really cool 521 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,800 fucking, um, structures and people building this mega, this mega cool shit. And at first you thought 522 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:35,160 fucking hell that looks sick that I can do that. And then you realized, no, they were glitching it 523 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,360 and they were fucking exploit in certain aspects of the game to get, to get whatever it is. Was it, 524 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:46,520 was it, you need to make them like zone battery cells to make these giant constructs and everything. 525 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,960 And it's kind of like, right. Okay. So I'll never be able to do that. That's great. 526 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,320 And I feel like I've had the same experience with watching streamers and stuff and people on like 527 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:03,880 tick tock and shit like that play lethal company where at the beginning it's been how you can 528 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:10,520 normally play it. And then now we're starting to get like clips through where they'll have, 529 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,640 they'll be like people with loads of money where they've bought a shit load of stuff, 530 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,960 or there's like way more enemies than there normally is, or there's different things that 531 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:26,120 people are able to do. And you're like, well, how, how much time are they investing in, in, 532 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:32,520 in doing all of that? And then when me and Connor played with Brandon, we realized that actually 533 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,120 with like free people, you can, you can get quite a bit done in terms of like getting scrapped and 534 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:41,960 get money and shit like that. But then Brandon went onto little terminal and like gave himself 535 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,240 like infinite money and then like adjusted how high he jumps. So he just jumps into the fucking 536 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:52,040 sky and things like that. And gave himself like God mode and all that type of stuff. And that's 537 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,560 when it finally clicked me. I was like, shit, like maybe some of the clips I've been seeing, 538 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:01,320 they've been doing that because there's no way some of the stuff I'm seeing is like, 539 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:07,080 you'd have to invest some serious time into getting to the point that they're at. And I think it's 540 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:12,840 like when me and Connor were playing it and we had the walkie talkies and obviously when you die, 541 00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:17,480 because of proximity chat, you can't hear the other person. If you stray too far, whatever, 542 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:23,000 but definitely if you die, you cannot hear that person anymore. If you're dead, you can, you can 543 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:29,240 like, yeah, there's no, there's no verbal interaction. And the way me and Connor got around 544 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:35,160 that was we went onto Discord and then changed it to push the talk so that if one of us died, 545 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,480 push the talk and you can still talk to him. Realized that took the fun immediately out of it 546 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,680 because you were no longer on your own. There was no more silence. It was you could, you could, 547 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,800 you could talk over the Discord. So we stopped that. It was like, right, we won't do that 548 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,640 because it completely negates the fact of buying walkie talkies and using them and worrying about 549 00:46:51,640 --> 00:47:00,040 the battery. So we canceled that out with Brandon, essentially cheating. It's both funny, but at the 550 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:05,080 same time, it wears off very quickly where you're like, Oh, actually don't get me wrong, Brandon, 551 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,520 because I know you'll be listening. I'm not digging you out. It was hilarious, but you couldn't, 552 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,400 you couldn't play the whole game. Like every session that you jump in, you couldn't quickly 553 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,400 go on the terminal and then give yourself an infinite amount of money for like a streaming 554 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:25,560 purpose for creating clips and content. It seems decent because you can quick fire, but for 555 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:32,440 genuine fucking around and playing with your mates and getting shit scared, that cheat inside of it 556 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:41,800 for me, I think most people just not worth it. Brandon, if we jump on it again, don't do any 557 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:48,520 cheats, mate. You hold off from that. We won't do any of that shit. It was funny though, because I 558 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,840 did hop on Brandon's stream and watch you guys for a little bit just while I was doing my work. 559 00:47:54,120 --> 00:48:01,320 And yeah, it was quite funny. Like they'd both died and you were running around, so 560 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,480 they could talk to each other, but you couldn't hear them. And it was just quite funny hearing 561 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:13,000 them two being like, oh no, he's gone too far. And then you going, oh, fucked. And then they were like, yep. 562 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,800 It was quite funny as a, like, it was quite entertaining to watch you guys playing. 563 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:27,800 It's, I think I'm very hyper aware that when I'm playing games like that, I can get very loud. 564 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:36,680 So I find I diminish myself a bit. So whether that takes away from it for myself or not, I haven't, 565 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,760 I'm not entirely sure because there are definitely times when I know that I could hit the roof and 566 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,480 scream, which makes it funny on the other end. But when you're the one that's sat behind me 567 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:53,160 in a nice quiet room, yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't really work. You know what I mean? 568 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:59,240 If I think like if you're in your own place, well, if that's you holding back. Yeah, definitely. 569 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:05,800 100%, 100% when I was, when I was at, I don't care. I'm gonna give a shit. I think you would, 570 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:11,000 if I probably scream, you haven't heard like OG me and Mark on fucking on rocket league or 571 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,360 dead by day. No, no, no, no, no. When there's, when there's no one else in the rooms, you haven't. 572 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:23,240 I'm telling you full on fucking war or angry Elden Ring race when no one else is in the room. 573 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,920 You've all heard the clip of me snapping a headset. 574 00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:37,240 Fucking hell. Obviously those times are done. But yeah, it's, I feel like for eight quid, 575 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:43,800 it's, I'd love to know how much money they've made. I wonder if, because obviously 576 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,520 with the powers that be and the way that we're positioned, we can go straight onto the laptop. 577 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:59,800 Really gassy. Oh, I've got, no, sorry. The mic is them fucking, I guess my fault. 578 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:12,920 Why is that? I just wanted to see the, uh, here we go. The reviews on it. 579 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,160 The reviews on it overwhelmingly positive fucking hell. So when I downloaded it, 580 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:27,960 it was around 3000. So it's now on 71,000 reviews, which is very decent. 581 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,520 I'd just love to know how much money they they've received from that. What's the, 582 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,000 because obviously it's not exactly because I think I'd imagine that steam take a certain portion, 583 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:49,640 don't they? But let's say, eight, 71,000 is over half a million so far, which for an eight pound 584 00:50:49,640 --> 00:51:02,040 game, it's really not that bad. It's not that bad at all. Yeah. Yeah. It's not, um, it is not 585 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:07,160 fully, fully, fully, but there's no like DLCs or anything. It's just funny, man. 586 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,720 He, he just, the movement of it is just absolutely ridiculous. 587 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:20,200 Yeah. Eight pound 50. Sorry. Eight pound 50. I've only done nine and a half hours. 588 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:28,840 It's not bad. It's not bad. So yeah, call it there, right? And it on a little, 589 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,640 if you haven't got a lethal company and you have the capability to play a lethal company, 590 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:40,840 I highly recommend it. And if you do buy a lethal company, show us a message and I'll be more than 591 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:46,040 happy to play it with you because it's fucking fantastic. Now we're heading over to do the 592 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:52,360 patron, the patron, which is patron.com forward slash. What's the buttons? 593 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,400 At some point, I'm just gonna, we can stop saying that because there'll be too many people on it. 594 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,160 It would be rich. Um, right. See you later. Everyone.