What's wrong with you?
It's just, I want my chair for the comfort,
but I want your chair for the swing.
Yeah, but mine's older.
Oh, it's creaky as well, isn't it?
I know, but I feel like I'm about to drive my car.
Why? What, because you're sat up?
Yeah.
Someone might let me put my feet on the wall.
Yeah, because I'm just scared that you've got a precariously placed hot chocolate
with precariously placed feet.
So if you slip and hit that hot chocolate,
it's going to go all over that interface.
Would it though?
Yes.
No.
Yes, it would.
Anyway. Hello.
Hello.
Episode 71, I think.
Is it?
Nearly 100. Nearly 100.
I know it's, I know it's what, 29 weeks,
which makes it sound way more than what it actually is.
Like, like-
29 weeks till 100?
Yeah.
Oh. Yeah. Yeah.
So,
What?
Nothing. I'm just thinking.
Could you imagine if you end up,
because you obviously say the number every time we start it,
you imagine we get into the thousands.
This is episode 1747.
You'll probably stop saying it by then.
An intro by then. Maybe by 100 we'll stop saying what episode it is.
Maybe that'll be the finish.
What's up?
Face me just another little bit.
We're in a, we're in, we're in the bedroom.
How are we?
We're in the bedroom.
Just because it's fucking easier for us.
Plus, it's bitterly cold.
Oh, it's freezing. Cold snap.
And the podcast room's mouldy. I won't lie.
Yeah. Well-
It stinks.
I don't know if it's mouldy. I don't think it's mouldy.
It's just, it's just damp, man.
And when you bang that heating on,
yeah, I already knew that your nose wouldn't have liked it.
No.
I was like, no, we're good. We're good.
We'll bring this one upstairs.
So yeah, we were, well, I say we, it was me.
It was, like I said earlier, literally a second ago.
It would have been great to have a stand
and then you could have played Baldur's Gate
while we're sat here chatting.
But-
I wouldn't have been engaged with you though.
Yeah. I don't know how much of the story
you wouldn't be able to pay attention to because
you'd have fucking headphones on and me in your ear going,
nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh.
Yeah. It really threw me yesterday because right before I stopped playing,
Lae'zel came onto me.
And it really, I was like,
um, no, no, thank you.
I was so awkward. I've already blushed while I'm talking about it.
She was just, she was, I want to taste you.
Is it, ugh, ugh, which one's she?
It's like we're in a fucking, we're in, I was in the Hag's, um,
like lair thing. She's the one, she's the Githyanki.
Oh, that was, that was breathy.
Gith.
Githyanki. Githyanki. She's green. She's got like a little nose.
I don't know, yeah.
Oh, well, what, the, what, on the, on the ship at the beginning?
She's the one that's on the ship with you at the start, yeah.
Oh, oh, you did find her.
You can't not find her. She finds you really.
She's the first one.
Who's the one that was in the, that's dangling in the cage?
Oh, yes.
At the beginning.
Yeah, sorry.
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
So you did find her.
Yeah, she found me.
You went back for her.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I hadn't gone over there yet.
Um, I'm pretty much only, I'm only just, um,
because the map is, you discover the map as you go along.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm only just sort of reaching the borders of it now.
The borders of Bouldersgate.
Yes. Um, yeah. Because I hadn't, it's quite hard. Well, it's not hard, but
yeah, I don't know how to describe it really, but I'm kind of getting around now. Um, and yeah,
she, it was right after, um, but I wouldn't mind. I've not even been like,
like a lot of the stuff that I've been doing, she's been disapproving of, but she just, she's got it.
She wants her. Yeah, but she's that, she's that, like, um, that bad girl character, isn't she?
I feel like she's, she's just an evil person. So you do evil things. She wants, she wants you.
No, we ever know. That's what I'm saying. She's been saying a lot of it. No, I think what I,
I might have got a lot of kudos with, um, we found these other gifts who were basically going to kill
us. And I, I've got quite high persuasion and, um, I rolled for it and it worked. So we kind of like
lied to them. I like nodded her to say play along. She liked that. A star in really liked it as well.
He was inspired. Yeah. Um, yeah. And then literally fought this hag thing. Well, no, haven't yet.
It was like her minions. Um, she's actually evading me at the moment. I can't find her.
And then, yeah, I just like casually spoke to her and she was like, I think so much more of you than
I did before. We've got, um, Steph's now playing, obviously you're playing Baldur's gate on the
steam deck at the moment for quite a bit and switched over from keyboard and mouse to controller.
Yeah. Because obviously you've sunk in far more hours than what are you up to? Like it must be
our 20 something. Yeah. So it's quite, it's quite a chunk considering mine was like
three or four hours, which is shocking to me. But it just didn't, I know it's weird. It's so odd.
Yeah. I think that the, obviously I'm far more a console gamer than a PC gamer literally. I mean,
obviously if you're counting on the, you know, in terms of like early childhood, obviously it
was a lot more PC because everyone was, yeah. I remember paying like Far Cry one or something on
my, on my PC. Yeah. See, it was very much like very stereotypical, I guess the Sims and, um,
Mulan who knew? Well, I have, I'd like some fucking, where you were like a doctor and you
was running a hospital. Yeah. Well, for whatever that was fucking called, I couldn't do it. I
couldn't do it. And Judge Dredd, but I think that was on the PlayStation and I got stuck at
the beginning because you had to handcuff people and I couldn't work it out. I swear, like honestly,
kids these days will never understand the difficulties. But, um, yeah. So having played
probably the first seven or eight hours purely with like mouse and keyboard, um, it was okay.
And it was, it was, it was all right. Like I didn't, I didn't necessarily have a problem with it.
Um, it was actually playing it then on the Steam Deck, um, which obviously is, is controller layout.
Um, slight, there's some things that are almost too simple, but I can appreciate why they've done
it because obviously you can't have that same, you know, clickable everything. Yeah. Um, and there's
some things that are very, very different between the two, um, to the extent where it's like,
literally what I've understood so far, there's things that you can't do in the sense that like,
it's like control C or shift C is group hired. Well, I cannot find group hired on the controller
so far. Um, it's probably there. Yeah, probably. It probably will be there. We, um, well, yeah,
but the displays are different as well. Like what you can see is completely different.
And the, yeah, the field of, the field of view is it, cause it takes it from a, from a click to move
to a third person movement with the analog sticks, which I think, cause I've never actually played
it like that, but that was one of the things that I really disliked on the PC was that click to
movement. I hated it with Diablo. I just don't, I don't like it. RuneScape. I'm not just not,
not a fan of that kind of movement. I feel like you're, you're too locked in. And I found
for those very short hours that I was playing, I found myself going like clicking as far as I could.
And then you just sat there waiting for your characters to slowly fucking waddle over. See,
I wonder, cause I remember telling you at the time, not to say I'm always right, but I remember
telling you at the time and you were like, no, I'm not playing, I'm not playing a controller or a PC
game. And actually I think potentially that could have maybe swung it for you. Yeah, I don't know
why. Cause the times when I played a game with controller on the laptop, for some reason, it just
feels dirty. I don't know why it's not about it. Not feeling good. It just doesn't feel,
it feels odd. I think, I think because the screen's smaller than the telly and I'm so used to
playing. I was having a great time yesterday. I had my hands under the blanket. Not in that way.
I mean, excuse me, with the controller.
Getting that haptic feedback.
Yeah. But you, and it's literally, there's no, it doesn't struggle at all. Like I was
a couple of times wanting to look at something and you just literally just switch the USBs over and
it picks it up without, you don't have to do anything. It's so easy. It's nice. So yeah,
I think for the moment, as I say, it was the Steam Deck that swung it because I sunk quite a few
hours, more rather consecutive hours on the Steam Deck, which made me think, oh, let's try it on
there. But as far as the Steam Deck's performance, it's acceptable. Well, when we first put it on,
it looked fucking awful. Yeah, it looked really good. But then I looked up a guide on IGN
for the settings to fuck around with. And you pretty much, you take out the unnecessary stuff,
but the unnecessary stuff to most people now is kind of necessary. You don't realise how necessary
it is until you take out things like the shadows or the ground clutter, or they call it the God
Rays. So the sun beaming through a window and stuff like that. And like you say, you've got an
issue with the hair because it just doesn't look right. It doesn't look as good. But it's,
yeah, I mean, it's working. It's certainly, yeah, it's another avenue to be able to play it.
Yeah, because also you're not necessarily wanting to play a game like that on a screen that's what,
eight inches. And it's almost like, well, I don't know, you're doing a disservice almost, you know,
to do. But it certainly, it doesn't, I've never been very like, as long as it's playable, it's fine.
Well, it's one of those where you can see the direction that things like the Steam Deck is
going in, in that it can successfully run these types of AAA games. I suppose it's not AAA.
As long as you plug it in. Yeah. And that is from a graphic point of view. We aren't
there yet in terms of being able to run it the same way you would anywhere else. Like you say,
it just can't, it's just not powerful enough to be able to do that. I think most of the settings
are like medium to low sort of thing. And yeah, the battery life is a real big issue because
I would imagine running that full power, you probably only get like an hour, hour and a half
out of it. Like not a lot. We, I'll say we, I was flicking through because when I downloaded it on
the Steam Deck, there's, and it's a feature that I really wish they'd add in much like they've got
on PlayStation where you can put a PlayStation into sleep mode, like into rest mode and it will
continue downloading whatever it's downloading. Steam Deck, you can't do that. So the only option
is to leave it running, leave it downloading and turn the brightness all the way down because the
screen, even though I've got a setting where I think it's like after 10 minutes or something of
inactivity, it turns, turns the screen off when it's downloading, that doesn't engage. So the
screen won't ever turn off, which makes sense because then just make it so you can put it in
fucking rest mode. So that's when I realised that I got a bit panicky about leaving it plugged in
all night because I want to keep doing that because obviously that doesn't do the battery
any good with it constantly being worked and just being plugged in. And that's when I found out that
it actually bypasses the battery altogether when you plug it in, when it reaches a certain percentage
of battery, which I think is like between 90 and 100% or somewhere around there. Because it already,
when you charge it, it runs up to 100 and then disengages the charge and then drops down from
anywhere between 90 to 95 and then goes back up again and then drops down and goes back up again.
So stop it from running all the way down. And that's, it was a feature that they never really
explained very well. So you had a lot of people complaining when they got the Steam Decks that
they were broken because when they were plugging them in, charging them, coming back to them,
they're like 90%. They're like, it's not charging my Steam Decks, but it's because it's trickling
it down and letting it go back up. And yeah, I didn't realise that while you're playing it,
once it reaches past that certain point, it completely bypasses the battery if it's plugged
in and just runs straight from the mains. So it's not affecting the battery at all. And I feel like
that laptop is the same because that battery has always been shit. They've never branded it as
being having a good battery because why would it? It's powerful. So whenever I do battery care on
that, and I've had that for quite a while now, it still says it's 100% absolutely fine. Nothing
wrong with it. And that thing is always plugged in. It never gets switched on without it being
plugged into the mains. So maybe that's got the same kind of thing going on.
It makes sense.
But I just thought it was very clever because you don't get a lot of time on that Steam Deck.
That is one of the awful things about it is from a battery point of view, it's shocking.
It's really, really poor. Obviously you've got the OLED version now, which is the version that
I've got, the original was two to eight hours worth of battery time. The OLED version is three to 12.
Still not a fucking great amount. And that is such a broad scale because it's like, right, so if I
turn it on and do nothing, you might get 12 hours out of it. But if I turn it on and then load up
vampire survivors and do nothing on it, but just have it sit there running, you might get six hours.
And then if you start playing it, then it's going to drop down. Like when I'm playing Wolfenstein,
that I can have that 100 percent. And then I maybe get, if I'm lucky, like two hours out of it.
And then I've got to charge it again. So the battery on that is shit.
Yeah.
I mean, how much was the switch get from full to so say you're playing
It's difficult.
Tears of the Kingdom, something like that.
I can't remember. But the, because I mean, I so like my original switch, that's they quietly
released it. But that being said though, hardly like I find it very few times. Maybe it's the
way I play it or whatever, but do I go, oh no, I've got to stop playing. It's running out of battery.
Like it handles it quite well.
Yeah.
I think it's something like maybe five to nine.
Yeah. I think it all comes down to the hardware, doesn't it? If your hardware requires more power
to run because it's more sophisticated or just bigger, more powerful, then it's going to use far
more battery life.
Yeah. OLED four and a half to nine. Oh my God, I wasn't viral.
Hmm. So I think you, as time gets on, you'll see both of those things begin to increase. I feel
like you'll be able to get a more powerful console in a smaller package. But alongside with that,
you'll be able to get a better battery with, to accommodate that extra power. You know what I
mean? The batteries should be getting better than.
Yeah. They're very limited. It was like that. I mean, God, I remember hearing about it in school,
which is obviously not too long ago. About 10 years ago.
No, it's nearly like 10 years ago. You know, Oh, for you it is 11 years. 11. Yeah. Oh my God.
You're only 10, mate. Okay. Not that old. But I remember then when they were talking about,
you know, about how this, the super computers and all of that, but they're, they're so, so limited
because it just gets so hot. Yeah. I mean, I think that. I mean, they still have to keep them in
like big rooms and super computers. Yeah. And it's literally like 90% of it's just to cool it down.
Yeah. And it's something that's like that fucking big or something. Yeah. I think that it's certainly,
they've realized it's a bit like almost like battle royales for like everyone's turning their heads to
churn out. Yeah. You know, the next, the next fortnight, the next thing that is, I think
handhelds kind of go in the same way. They've gone out of favor. Yeah. And now they're kind of
coming. I can't remember the names of them, but obviously with the Sony portal has obviously come
out, um, seeing a lot on the, on the PlayStation groups on Facebook and stuff and like on Reddit
and things like that, where a lot of people are posting up their, their pools and other reviews
on them and how they think of them. And they, they don't look that bad. Definitely not my cup of tea,
nor do I see a necessity where I would need to spend that kind of money to do that, like to,
to have that capability. So say like, for example, you could, cause even then you could carry on
playing the switch, which one I'm playing the PlayStation, because you can just not dock it.
But if you wanted to dock it and I had the portal, that's when you can swap it around.
But it's like, it's a big expense to, to want to do that. It's more for, I feel like the family
type of scenario where you've got, you've got your partner, you've got a couple of kids that like the,
that's where it's kind of marketed at.
Well, it's the Wii U 10 years later. Yeah.
Which I don't, it from, from what I've, honestly, just as Wii U, from what I've gathered, the,
the reviews on it are quite decent. Um, I know there's like connection issues and, and things
and things like that. But alongside that, with people posting up their reviews and how they feel
about it and all that shit, you get a lot of people, one who are just posting stuff to,
to rip the shit out of it for the sake of ripping the shit out of it. And two,
a lot of people posting up their handhelds saying, well, I've just got this, I'll just cast this,
blah, blah, blah. This is better. But the amount of different handhelds that I'm seeing, I never
even heard of them. I can't remember the name of names of half of them. Like obviously you've got,
you've got the steam that you got the, the, the rogue, you got the actually, um, ROG, ROG. Um,
why would you just, why would you call it that? But the, um, the other one, I can't remember
genuinely, uh, one day I'll get a list of all of them so that I actually know them.
But I've just seen recently some, like some proper off-brand ones I've never heard of
that are obviously some kind of competitor to, to the big rivals. It's, it's cool to see the,
the difference and the, um, the variety of handhelds. But it's like, who's gonna,
who's gonna win? Someone always has to come out on top of them. Yeah. It's that innovation
that I spoke about ages ago, like good couple of months ago when I was saying,
you'll see more and more handhelds coming out and you'll see more and more people going,
well, that's a good idea. We'll use that, but we'll tweak it into this and then we'll do that.
And we'll do that. So it's who's going to come out with the one that overall is the best
is what I'm interested in. I don't think that there's such a thing because your opinion of
what's the best and my opinion is what's the best. I suppose if you're talking in terms of like
sales, yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, but even then that fluctuates. What, what gets it one year,
won't get it the next. But it's the same with VR. That feels like a world where we were so involved
with it and now not a fucking clue, not a clue. What is it? MetaQuest two, three, two, and then
you've got the VR two, Oculus, whatever. Um, there's loads of different, it's just, it's a whole,
there's a couple of people that follow on TikTok that are gamers and a couple of them have switched
over to just doing VR stuff only. It's so alien to me, like so alien people playing multiplayer
games, but in VR, I just, cause all I can remember is when we first got it and I played that demo
game where he was in space in that mecha suit bouncing around from planet to planet and how
fucking grim I felt after that. Jesus Christ. That was horrible. Five year anniversary.
It was five years. Congratulations. Thank you. That's the thing. Yeah. The motion sickness,
but then I like, I enjoy, um, what's it called? Beat Saber. But I think we've kind of, I'm pretty
sure we've said it on the pod before where it's like that. How many times do you crack it out
when people come around just for like the novelty and the laugh, but then as far as like actually
going, Oh, I've come home from work and I really want to play a game. I'm going to get my VR out.
Yeah. No, but then that's not to say that other people are not, you know, at the end of the day,
a lot of people do do that. Um, and congratulations for them and their brain, not getting violently
emotions sick. Um, but I suppose we're just kind of not in that, not in that world. Yeah. I think
the most comfortable I felt was when Michelle come round with and bought her meta quest playing
on that compared to the PlayStation VR was so wildly different because you think that in PS VR,
the OG one, you got to, you got to plug all them wires in. Was it like three or four different
fucking wires that you got to plug in an entire unit that runs everything through that. They
were saying runs into the PlayStation, blah, blah, blah, blah. But then you got two,
was it one or two cables coming out of the headset? I think it might've been one,
but to put the fucking thing on, there's that button on top, which, which adjusts the, the
goggles themselves and then the button at the back, which adjusted the fucking, the headset
itself. And then you got to bang that on and then you got, you got to click it all in and then you
got to level it up with your eyes and make it not blur and stuff like that. And then you've got to
find the controllers and obviously where it was a very first step into VR. A lot of VR, um,
consoles now have that, like with the meta quest where you can see your surroundings whilst you've
got the headset on, which is a fucking game changer because it just means that unlike the VR,
like the PSVR where you're fumbling around trying to put the fucking, the, the, um, what were they
even called? Motion controllers, the motion controllers on and shit like that. And trying
to figure out where you are putting on that meta quest for the first time was just so much easier
because you've got none of that shit. Yeah. There's no wires whatsoever. It's all completely
battery and the games themselves are in the headset. So when it comes to a, cause we found
with the PSVR, it was, unless you turn the lights off and put the blinds down, it wouldn't pick up
the controllers properly or you'd be stepping out of the zone and it would be, it would be all
fucking up. You step out of the zone. It just goes black. How is that helpful? It's not helpful at
all. You go, all right, I can't see anything now. I know I'm out of the zone I should be in and I'm
so blind. But I can't see it. Whereas the meta quest obviously doesn't have any of that. Obviously
it has a grid, but you can change that per your surroundings and there's none of that, um, that
loss of connectivity with the controls because they're right in your hands and they're bouncing
off the headset themselves rather than everything else. So much better, which slightly intrigues me
to see how they've built upon that because I feel like there's a lot that's gone on in, in the VR
world since we first experienced meta quest. Um, and I know like the PSVR two still hasn't cracked
it because they've still got a fucking wire dangling out the back of the headset, but I know
everyone adopted sort of like the same controllers where it was like the, yeah, the front. So, and
then there's one, is it meta quest? The ones that PSVR one used, they've been around since PS3.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Essentially like just new batteries and a new port, you know, instead of
a mini USB, it's a USB-C or whatever. And that literally, like we had some somewhere from,
yeah, yeah. I find it crazy that we had to go to fucking Paris. Well, yeah. Didn't go there
specifically for those controllers, but just, Hey, yeah, walk past them before. Fuck it. I need to
get this because you can't get them in the UK. Um, you couldn't get hold of VRs at all. No,
but that, but there's a VR that I've seen where it tracks your fingers, your whole hand.
So you don't need a controller. It will track your whole, your movements. I don't think it's
quite cool, but it's just not enough to, like I say, for me, it's still novelty. Yeah. I want,
I would want some real games that I want to play, you know, and can sit and play for at least a
couple of hours. Um, cause it don't get me wrong. I do enjoy it. Like as, as a, as a sort of party
game, if you will, um, you know, where it is funny seeing people walk the plank and, or the shark tank,
things like that, that genuinely enjoyable. But is that enough to then purchase that for the time
when, you know, if you're going to pull it out once or twice a year or at Christmas or whatever,
it kind of trips into, no, like I wouldn't spend any more money than we already have at the moment
to get something new when, when those things are that, you know what I mean? They are mega
expensive as well. Getting like the new VR, that PSVR two is like 600 or a quid. Yeah. It's a lot
of money to throw out something like, at least that's what the original one had on its side was
that it was the cheapest one out there. Yeah. It was an entry level fucking VR. Um, yeah, but then
not, it was for you wouldn't be if you needed to buy the PlayStation as well. Yeah. Yeah. And I
suppose to be fair, I say it was an entry level. It was still like fucking 300 quid or 200 and
something, something around there. Yeah. So it's still, still fucking expensive. I got, um,
someone I was working with the other day. He had just bought a Nintendo switch for his,
for his nephew, I think. And obviously he was talking to him about like gaming and stuff like
that. And he said like, he's, he's one of those where for, for money reasons, I'd imagine he
doesn't get the new consoles. He gets the old one when the new one comes out, which obviously is
quite substantially cheaper, which is, I think a lot of people do that. And I think you're so much
more able to do that now because the difference between them is so far, so less than say PS2 to
PS3. Yeah. Um, and I was talking to him about switch games and he was like, I didn't realize
how expensive games were. He was like, he was like, what the fuck? He was like, I don't. So I was
saying to him like Facebook marketplace and eBay and stuff like that. Cause he was like buying them
out of the case is cheaper than buying them with the case. But obviously you might have to correct
me because I don't know. I'm pretty sure what I was saying was right, but you can't CD keys and
stuff like that doesn't work on. Yeah, it does. Does it? On the switch? Yeah. Yeah. I bought my,
I bought my membership on CD keys. My online, my, it was about 10 quid cheaper on CD keys.
Does the, can you buy digital games on CD keys for the switch? Probably. I thought it was
digital. You could only buy it through the Nintendo store. No, you can enter codes.
You can. Yeah. Hmm. What did, what, what you had a conversation about before?
Or was it, we had a conversation about how stupidly expensive the Nintendo store can be.
Yeah. Which I think is the same for basically every store.
Um, sorry. I'm giving him some misinformation by accident. I'm sorry, Kush.
I mean, it could be, I mean, you can certainly get gift cards and you might get like five or
often. I won't say anything in stone because I made them, made this mistake the other,
another week talking about PlayStation that you couldn't use CD keys and you definitely can.
Yeah. Uh, yeah, we can just dance, Nintendo sports, animal crossing, Mario Kart 8,
Mario Brothers Wonder. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know where you got that from kid.
I've just died. What am I about? Well, I, I, uh, I don't, I just want to interject at this,
at this point, the last time I was on the pod, I was speaking to someone, you might know him,
who said about how he wasn't going to play well and how nothing was going to get,
they're going to drag him back into it until they release, you know, all of the new stuff.
He was very, very adamant about this fact. Is it clear to say fact? Yeah. It was a fact. Um,
some may call it a fact. Do you know, do you know who that might be that I was talking about? It's
certainly not, certainly not the man I'm sitting in front of right now. You, who has been sinking,
what would you say is between now and that pod, which was what, did you immediately redownload it
after that, that pod or was it the day after? I think it might've been that same day. Yeah.
Uh, it's nice to see the front of your head. Yeah. Um,
I'm looking at the fucking back of it for three weeks. Um, yeah. What can I say? What can I say?
Addictive. There's a, there's a fantastic community there.
No, I've got, so what have you been playing lately? Reese may have been playing some world of
warcraft. Is it some? Yeah. What can I say? Please con got me feeling away that I haven't felt about
a game for a long time. Look, I've been burnt by assassin's Creed mirage. I thought I was getting
a bit of nostalgia back. So I was, I was in a vulnerable position and Chris Metson come on
the stage and showed us free new expansions and his plan. And he is the godfather when it comes to
world warcraft. So he's, you hang on every word that he says, he knows the power that he's got.
He understands it. He doesn't abuse it. So if you go back and listen to the last pod I was on,
you'll hear Reese live through his teeth. I didn't know what I was saying. For approximately 45
minutes. I was confused and it didn't just lie to me. I know, I know, but these, these people
don't play world of warcraft. They don't understand. They don't get it. How do you know? How do you know
that no one listens? Who's playing well? That's a point to be fair. I'm thinking maybe a patron.
Yeah. Um, maybe some of you do. If you do Lengar's hashtag two nine nine four. That's my battle tag.
If anyone wants to get involved, join a very nice guild with lots of very nice people.
This is the thing. Um, obviously, no, I was actually going to interject. Hang on. Go on. I,
I'm happy for you. You know what I mean? Like you're never as happy as you are.
Wow. That came out wrong as well. But no, it's nice. It's a little discord or whatever.
I don't know. That sounds so patronizing, but I don't mean it in a patronizing way.
I mean, it's really cute. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. I get it. It, um, it's a,
I don't know. It's like a drug to me. Well, I've, I've, I've played this game for so long
and have always pretty much been a solo player. I've had, I've been, yeah, I've been part of
guilds where we've done some raiding and, and things like that. But when it comes to day to day
play, playing, doing Dungeons and Quests and things like that, very solo, very on my own.
And the last couple of expansions that felt genuinely lonely because that nostalgia side of it
is gone. And you just find yourself grinding forever and ever on your own and you get burnt out.
So when I've joined this guild, I thought what I've normally done in the past is when I've joined
guilds and stuff like that, much like how Ash works is you join these communities and then you
sit to the side and you just observe, but you still feel lonely because you're not, you're not
interacting with these people. So you've just joined a group, but you're, you're in a different
building. Like it doesn't, you might as well not fucking joined it. And when I joined the guild,
that's aptly named hoofs and hoes, I was like, well, let me, let me put myself out there a bit
more. What's funny is that they don't know I do a podcast. Yeah. I haven't told them that I,
that I do this. Probably for the best when you were slugging off what we won't mention.
Quite possibly, quite possibly, which I'm so terrified about if they find out because me and
him get on pretty well. And I can't remember how harsh I was being on that podcast. I know I was
getting annoyed. I still do get annoyed. Um, but we just different play styles, but it's the,
in other words, he's good and I'm not, it's the, now that I've put myself out there and, and I speak
to these people quite a lot and obviously interact very, very much on the discord and get involved
with people doing dungeons and doing rounds that we're waiting, um, today. It, it's a different
feeling because it's very almost wholesome. You feel like you're a part of something much like,
much like this podcast where quite a few people listen now and a lot of people at work listen
and you have that interaction, not just from a, from a friend point of view, but from a podcast,
what's the buttons community type of thing. So it, it feels very much like that where I know
that I've always got people that I can interact with. And when, before this patch come out,
so the update previous, obviously we did the, we did the latest raid, did it on normal mode and
then did it on heroic where you get ahead of the curve. And then it sort of just dies down. You,
you hit the rating that you want in mythic plus, you, you sort of hit a ceiling as such. And then
quite naturally everyone just dissipates and you go off and you do your other things and you play
other games. We do, you just do other stuff for like 90% of the people in this guild. And that
is exactly what happened. And the discord was like silent. Whereas now as is the cycle, new update,
new raid, we're in week two now. So there's a much bigger buzz and people are working towards
something, which is, which is great. And then obviously with the fact that you've got free
expansions that have been announced, there's a lot more talk of, of like, what could happen with the
law and this and that and things. And I feel like people, including myself, were just getting more
involved this time round. Not that I weren't very involved last time, but it just feels,
it feels like a lot less pressure. And rather than me just playing with strangers, I'm playing with
people who are like almost like friends in a sense. So I feel like I'm still heavily addicted,
but rather than me just being glued to the screen and playing on my own, I'm playing with,
with other people. So it feels more rewarding to do that. Yeah. And I think, yeah, it's without the,
the stress and the politics of running a guild because I feel like you had that similar community,
but it was also, again, we've said on the pod plenty of times, you know, that the,
you're coming home from work and going back to work and the buck was stopping with you. And it
just wasn't healthy. And it sounds, whereas this, I think it is a lot more,
or a lot less toxic and a lot more enjoyable because you can, like you say, dip in and dip out.
It's not, you know, Oh, I don't feel like playing it tonight. And it's Reese, you know, you've got
all of these different things that need doing and kick this person and, you know, announce this and
announce that like you don't have any of that. So you're able to just, cause I think, you know,
when you've, when you've played a game in this way for as long as you have, you probably will go
through like periods of sort of burnout. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's perfectly, perfectly, like,
Oh my God, the way, the way I honestly, I wasn't entirely sure you weren't coming to break up with
me when you came in that time. And you're like, I've left the guild. I've had to leave. But like
it was, it was real bad, like actual bad place. It's from an outside point of view. It seems
almost like childish. I would imagine it. No, no. If you, if you've never experienced something
like that, if you're not into, into gaming stuff, cause what it is, is it's a hobby. Gaming's a
hobby. World Warcraft is a hobby. Yeah. But when you, when you love it as much and you've spent
that much time and interact with it, as long as someone like myself has, it goes from still
remaining a hobby, but it means something to you, which I think gaming for us and for other gamers,
that's how it feels. It's a hobby, but it, it is. It's not something you can pick up and drop. No,
it is a part of you. It's very similar to how my, my love for cars, obviously I haven't got a car
at the moment, but like, but like with Steve, that when you, when you love, when you're into cars,
the same way that I am, when you, when you get into a car that, that you're working on or like
that you really like, it's, you don't see it as you're getting into a car. It's, it's a part of
you when you're driving a car, you're not driving a car, you're, it's, it's a, it's a weird kind of
interaction. You don't just see it as an object. And I feel like that's the same with all of us
and probably the people that are listening with gaming is that it's not something that,
a bit of entertainment, it's our lives for the most part, a, a, or a pretty fucking big aspect
of your life. You think there's an escape from life. Yeah. You think this room that we're in
is surrounded by gaming, absolutely enveloped by it. And that is perfectly okay because that's how
we want it. And a lot of our enjoyment comes from gaming, a lot of our, our funny times or some sad,
like we've just the two of us when it comes to gaming, got a shit ton of, of, of memories from
given to us by the power of gaming. So when, when it comes to things like World of Warcraft,
and like you just say, when I left that guild that I had spent a long time creating, I still remember
we were walking in that park and we come up with the name and Call of the Void, by the way, the
Call of the Void, a very cool name. And to have built not an empire, but you were talking, there
was like three to 400 people in it. There was a lot of people in that guild. There was a lot going on
to almost not give up on it, but to say like, this is, this is too much. You do take it a
lot more serious because it isn't, it isn't just a hobby. You, you, you've spent time building
something the same way with this podcast at the moment on paper. This is a hobby on paper to me.
It's, it's such a big part of, of my life now and probably yours and Ash's and anyone else that is
listening, but the people closest to us that are involved with this podcast, it's, it's not just a
hobby. I mean, I want to go on. Just thinking about how in all of our email correspondence with
solicitors and brokers, lenders, anyone signing off his emails as what was it, co-creator and
editor of what's the button with the link, it's got the link tree on it on the end of every email
that's going to that actual, what did I, what did I say? It's, um, I figured, fuck it. Why not? It says
host producer and editor of the what's the buttons podcast. And then there's the link tree
underneath it. And when I, when I first did that signature, I also put the logo of what's the
buttons on it, but it was so big that it lagged up every single email and I couldn't type it in
time. And he thinks I had to get rid of it. I want to, I want to build it. I want to, I want to,
it's much more to me than, than a hobby. Um, and world of warcraft is, is the same and a lot of
games that I get heavily into are, are like that. I think that's the, that's the whole basis of an
MMO is that's what they're designed to do is to make you feel like that because there is a
longevity thing. They're designed to keep you playing. It's obviously doing it very fucking well.
Um, so yeah, when you talk about the guild that, that I left, it's, it's upsetting for me because
of the amount of time and effort that was put into it and the people that I met for it and blah, blah,
blah. And then it to essentially just crash and burn and no longer exist. Like I think the,
I can't even remember the people that I gave the guild to, but they, they changed it to like furry
something like that was my baby. And you've just demoralized it to some like fucking idiotic
discord thing, like furry view or some shit like that. I was like, are you weirdos? Um,
I can't remember why we got onto that. No offense to anyone who is a furry who was listening.
It's odd. It's odd. It's odd. Very, very important, very, um, unbiased on this podcast,
but the bit is odd. I think it's strange. It's just weird. Sorry. The Australian guy,
but I won't be spending any time on it.
So yeah, um, I'm back playing world of warcraft at the moment.
Um, it is what it is. It is what it is. I won't hide from it. This is how the cookie crumbles,
mate. It's how the cookie crumbles. I'll run dry. Um, so yeah, it's, I was trying to think of, um,
sort of like gaming, gaming. There was a game that I saw, um, I was talking to Ash about it the
other day and for the life of me, I can't remember which is, which is quite bad, but it is apparently
a mixture between the division and Daisy. Right. I can't, but I can't remember what it was called.
It comes out on the 7th of December, I believe, or is that better? Well, either way you'll be
able to do something with it on the 7th of December. And it just very much looked like
the division too, but with zombies, but with the Daisy infantry and some aspects of like survival
side of it. Um, you've been playing lethal company, haven't you? Yeah. Yeah. Lethal company.
How have you spoke? Did you speak about the last week? I haven't listened to that shit. Sorry.
I think I did for a little bit. It's just hilarious, man. So funny. Me,
Connor and Brandon played it, um, the other day. Brandon hacked it basically. What he'd done was
both hilarious, but also sucked the fun right out of it at the end because it, I'd imagine from a,
you know how, when, um, tears of the kingdom come out and you were seeing all those really cool
fucking, um, structures and people building this mega, this mega cool shit. And at first you thought
fucking hell that looks sick that I can do that. And then you realized, no, they were glitching it
and they were fucking exploit in certain aspects of the game to get, to get whatever it is. Was it,
was it, you need to make them like zone battery cells to make these giant constructs and everything.
And it's kind of like, right. Okay. So I'll never be able to do that. That's great.
And I feel like I've had the same experience with watching streamers and stuff and people on like
tick tock and shit like that play lethal company where at the beginning it's been how you can
normally play it. And then now we're starting to get like clips through where they'll have,
they'll be like people with loads of money where they've bought a shit load of stuff,
or there's like way more enemies than there normally is, or there's different things that
people are able to do. And you're like, well, how, how much time are they investing in, in,
in doing all of that? And then when me and Connor played with Brandon, we realized that actually
with like free people, you can, you can get quite a bit done in terms of like getting scrapped and
get money and shit like that. But then Brandon went onto little terminal and like gave himself
like infinite money and then like adjusted how high he jumps. So he just jumps into the fucking
sky and things like that. And gave himself like God mode and all that type of stuff. And that's
when it finally clicked me. I was like, shit, like maybe some of the clips I've been seeing,
they've been doing that because there's no way some of the stuff I'm seeing is like,
you'd have to invest some serious time into getting to the point that they're at. And I think it's
like when me and Connor were playing it and we had the walkie talkies and obviously when you die,
because of proximity chat, you can't hear the other person. If you stray too far, whatever,
but definitely if you die, you cannot hear that person anymore. If you're dead, you can, you can
like, yeah, there's no, there's no verbal interaction. And the way me and Connor got around
that was we went onto Discord and then changed it to push the talk so that if one of us died,
push the talk and you can still talk to him. Realized that took the fun immediately out of it
because you were no longer on your own. There was no more silence. It was you could, you could,
you could talk over the Discord. So we stopped that. It was like, right, we won't do that
because it completely negates the fact of buying walkie talkies and using them and worrying about
the battery. So we canceled that out with Brandon, essentially cheating. It's both funny, but at the
same time, it wears off very quickly where you're like, Oh, actually don't get me wrong, Brandon,
because I know you'll be listening. I'm not digging you out. It was hilarious, but you couldn't,
you couldn't play the whole game. Like every session that you jump in, you couldn't quickly
go on the terminal and then give yourself an infinite amount of money for like a streaming
purpose for creating clips and content. It seems decent because you can quick fire, but for
genuine fucking around and playing with your mates and getting shit scared, that cheat inside of it
for me, I think most people just not worth it. Brandon, if we jump on it again, don't do any
cheats, mate. You hold off from that. We won't do any of that shit. It was funny though, because I
did hop on Brandon's stream and watch you guys for a little bit just while I was doing my work.
And yeah, it was quite funny. Like they'd both died and you were running around, so
they could talk to each other, but you couldn't hear them. And it was just quite funny hearing
them two being like, oh no, he's gone too far. And then you going, oh, fucked. And then they were like, yep.
It was quite funny as a, like, it was quite entertaining to watch you guys playing.
It's, I think I'm very hyper aware that when I'm playing games like that, I can get very loud.
So I find I diminish myself a bit. So whether that takes away from it for myself or not, I haven't,
I'm not entirely sure because there are definitely times when I know that I could hit the roof and
scream, which makes it funny on the other end. But when you're the one that's sat behind me
in a nice quiet room, yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't really work. You know what I mean?
If I think like if you're in your own place, well, if that's you holding back. Yeah, definitely.
100%, 100% when I was, when I was at, I don't care. I'm gonna give a shit. I think you would,
if I probably scream, you haven't heard like OG me and Mark on fucking on rocket league or
dead by day. No, no, no, no, no. When there's, when there's no one else in the rooms, you haven't.
I'm telling you full on fucking war or angry Elden Ring race when no one else is in the room.
You've all heard the clip of me snapping a headset.
Fucking hell. Obviously those times are done. But yeah, it's, I feel like for eight quid,
it's, I'd love to know how much money they've made. I wonder if, because obviously
with the powers that be and the way that we're positioned, we can go straight onto the laptop.
Really gassy. Oh, I've got, no, sorry. The mic is them fucking, I guess my fault.
Why is that? I just wanted to see the, uh, here we go. The reviews on it.
The reviews on it overwhelmingly positive fucking hell. So when I downloaded it,
it was around 3000. So it's now on 71,000 reviews, which is very decent.
I'd just love to know how much money they they've received from that. What's the,
because obviously it's not exactly because I think I'd imagine that steam take a certain portion,
don't they? But let's say, eight, 71,000 is over half a million so far, which for an eight pound
game, it's really not that bad. It's not that bad at all. Yeah. Yeah. It's not, um, it is not
fully, fully, fully, but there's no like DLCs or anything. It's just funny, man.
He, he just, the movement of it is just absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah. Eight pound 50. Sorry. Eight pound 50. I've only done nine and a half hours.
It's not bad. It's not bad. So yeah, call it there, right? And it on a little,
if you haven't got a lethal company and you have the capability to play a lethal company,
I highly recommend it. And if you do buy a lethal company, show us a message and I'll be more than
happy to play it with you because it's fucking fantastic. Now we're heading over to do the
patron, the patron, which is patron.com forward slash. What's the buttons?
At some point, I'm just gonna, we can stop saying that because there'll be too many people on it.
It would be rich. Um, right. See you later. Everyone.