I've got a fucking horrible cold.
So, um, see?
You'll have to excuse the voice breaking, the crackling, the fucking snorting, the coughing.
All sorts of horrible shit.
You know when you feel alright, but I have to be like...
Oh, nice.
Get that phlegm right in ya. Tasty.
Lung butter.
Ever since you said, um, do a wipe for Jesus.
Fuck!
Everyone keeps fucking going with it.
It's so funny.
Wipe front and back and then one for Jesus.
You've got to, haven't ya?
That is so fucking...
I'd love to...
You'd probably get in trouble for it, but you know how Ricky Gervais animated their podcast?
I would love to do something like that.
That'd be pretty dope.
Oh, God.
Um, the...
Obviously, I want to address the rumours that didn't come to light.
Well, should we say welcome to Wasp buttons?
Yeah, um...
Welcome to Wasp buttons.
Episode.
Fucking 60-something? 60-odd.
Oh, is it the...
67, I think?
The magic number.
Oh, it's the magic number. Oh, oh, oh.
Um...
Uh...
Three is the magic number.
It's episode 67.
Yeah.
Nice.
That's decent, innit?
Respect us.
And then, what is it, fucking episode 40-something on the Patreon.
Fucking flying.
Loads, man.
I'm excited because tomorrow is Comic Con at the Excel in London,
and there's a whole entourage of people that will be there wearing What's the Buttons merch,
so it'll be quite, um...
Quite fun.
Because it was decent when it was just you and me at the Star Wars celebration,
there was people noticing it, and obviously we weren't as massive then as we are now.
I think we have doubled since being there, you know?
In terms of listenership, I think it has actually doubled, which is quite surreal.
Um...
Not that anyone there is gonna fucking recognise us anyway.
Well, they won't, because I'm not there.
You're not there, but I'll be there,
and everyone that's gonna be with me will be wearing What's the Buttons as well.
Very cool.
So it's gonna be very fucking interesting.
I'll make sure that I get a picture of all of us.
Put it on a Patreon.
Yeah.
All of us dawdling there.
www.patreon.com forward slash What's the Buttons.
That's the one.
Uh, if you wanna see that picture.
Yeah.
And all the other topics.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the one.
I forgot that, um, the Patreon gives you five minute segments of every episode.
Does it?
For free.
That's cool.
Yeah, so people can get a little gist of it.
But I might jig it around, because some of them are just awful.
You know what I mean?
Some of the starts of those episodes are just fucking...
I mean, all of it's awful.
Let's be honest.
You might get the odd bit of quality in there somewhere,
but it's few and far between.
You'll find the sound bites for the best bits, and you can just have them.
You know, when you see a movie trailer, and after you watch the movie,
you realise all of it was the best scenes.
And you go, all right, the rest of this was just awful.
So, that's the one.
Um, GTA 6.
I'm not gonna say I told you so.
I'm sick of it. I'm fucking sick of it.
Why? What are they hiding?
I don't understand.
I don't understand. Everyone's like,
stop playing GTA V, it'll force them.
No.
It's the magnum opus.
You can't rush greatness.
Yeah, but you can at least announce.
How many games get announced,
but they don't actually give a release date?
They just announce them.
But everyone knows it's coming, so what is the point?
People only want it announced so they can go,
oh, we've got a release date.
If you announce it and then go, oh, we'll tell you later,
it'll be like, fuck off.
Yeah, but at least that then makes it more real.
You know what I mean? You want to see...
Yeah, but everyone knows it exists.
We all know it exists. We've seen the leaks.
Everybody knows what's going on.
You haven't seen, like, you know,
granted, like, proper gameplay
and nothing, I suppose, is confirmed,
but you know it's coming.
They'll announce it when they announce it.
And to be honest, I just don't see the big hoo-ha about it.
I'll get it, obviously,
but I don't see the hoo-ha for them to just rush it
and go, here it is.
Just when it comes, it comes.
And I hope when they do announce it,
they go, oh, by the way, it's coming in, like, six months.
It's not going to be, like, next year.
It's going to be a case of the bigger they are,
the harder they fall in it, because everyone's expecting
this to be absolutely incredible.
Well, the best game ever made, they'll expect.
Yeah, so if it comes out
like absolute shite.
Because to be fair, GTA V didn't come out very well.
Like, it was well received,
but the online aspect of it was fucking godawful.
Oh, yeah, I remember. It was crap.
It was horrible.
But remember, it was on PS3.
Yeah, it was PS3.
Go back then.
I remember the loading screens on the online thing.
You went into a mission, the camera would zoom out
into the clouds and you'd be there for, like, two minutes
just waiting for something to happen.
So, you know, the technology's moved on.
I think the loading times are still mega long.
Even on PS5, I think it's still fucking...
Of course. They're not crazy, though,
like they used to be.
It used to just crash a lot of the time.
So, yeah, don't get me wrong.
It's going to be great, but they'll announce it
when they're ready, I suppose.
To be honest, there's plenty of other good shit to play.
Yeah, there is.
Sorry.
It makes me think, though, they must be a bit nervous
because, you know, when...
This is the way I look at it,
when game developers are making games
and you're like, this is fucking shocking
or this is, like, the greatest game ever.
You know, like, well done.
They can't see that.
And you're like, well, how did they release
this fucking bag of shit?
Or how did they release this absolute masterpiece?
Well, the way I see it
is when I used to write music.
Or...
LOL.
When I used to write things,
I did some charity work.
Big up me.
It was just funny.
Just funny little songs and stuff.
But nevertheless,
I see it as I would do something
or draw, drawing, you know,
artists, when they do something
for so long, they put so much into something.
You don't know
whether it's good or not.
The more you... So you write a song
and you write the lyrics and you're like, oh yeah, this goes really well,
this is great. But the more you say it,
the more you're like, I'm not sure,
that sounds right. Do you know what I mean?
So you need outside perspective.
Fresh eyes, if you will.
So what you're saying, you don't know if Rockstar
would be aware of their making shit or not?
No, not that they're unaware, but they might
think this isn't quite
good enough. I.e.
I've been working at Starfield.
I've seen a lot of people's Games of the Year
lists now, or what they think the potential
will be. Starfield is not on
a lot of them. And whilst I love
Starfield... It's not Game of the Year.
No. But whilst I love Starfield,
there's a lot of people
that hate it.
And they have their reasons, some rightly so.
And, you know,
professors have been working on this for the best
part of a decade. So you have
to get it right, otherwise
the grand scheme of things, you might have just pissed
away 10 years of hard work.
And to piss away 10 years
of hard work, I can't even begin to imagine
how upsetting that must be.
I feel like it's a...
It's a difficult one, because every
developer
has their stamp, don't they? They've
all got a certain
way that they make games. And I feel like Bethesda
is probably near the top
of being developers
that have their own
specific style of game.
Like From Software as well.
And it's that
you've had such a large
gap between
your last
IP to this new
one. And
I feel like there's a lot of people where they
would want to see a change,
as opposed to the same formula. Because
that's very much what Starfield is.
It's very much the same formula as every
other Fallout game, just in space.
And like you say, a lot of people
love it, but a lot of people hate it.
I'm somewhere in the middle. I don't love
the game, but I don't hate it either. I
can't play it anymore because it cancelled my
game pass subscription.
But I had
uninstalled it before I got
rid of that game pass subscription.
Because I just wasn't
massively interested in playing
it. I'm still playing
Elder Scrolls Online, so I was like, well, if I'm going to...
This is just ESO, but in
space, pretty much.
If you like Fallout, if you like
Scryer, if you like
Oblivion, any of them,
you'll love Starfield.
But, having said that,
there's no shame in wishing they
iterated slightly more.
They added a bit more.
There was a bit more...
It's just... It is missing
something. I don't know what it is, but it is missing
something. But it's also got everything
that I love about Bethesda games. So I was
happy. But for people that never liked Bethesda
games, this isn't going to change their mind on Bethesda
games. What
would you like... What's the one
thing you would like for GTA
to iterate on?
For me, I've always
thought GTA's
worlds, whilst pretty,
whilst graphically
pleasing and very well
built, it's just not a lot going
on. Personally, I just feel
like... Yeah, maybe on the online part
there's a lot. But I mean, like, all the
city,
there's very little to interact with, like
you can't pick anything up.
You know what I mean? You can't...
The mini games are always very
dire.
I'd like them... And the shooting, I've always...
It's always the same shit shooting.
And that's one of the main things.
So, like, the health
bars and all that is all just a bit whack.
So, I'd like them to
work on the combat system
and make
the world more interactable.
I.e.
The thing I like about Cyberpunk,
whilst different from
GTA, is
now, anyway, with Phantom Liberty,
it's much more
interactable. It's much more...
You can kind of write your own stories,
if you know what I mean. Whereas, like, in
GTA, what I'd like to be able to do is just
get bored and go, right, I'm gonna go and
fucking rob this shop.
And then rob the shop and get the money.
And then have a little car chase and then, you know,
tell your own little tale.
You know, little set of events that you've created.
As opposed to just the generic
run someone over, get five stars,
work in all that bollocks.
What do you think
they need to iterate on?
I mean, start off, you can't get
five stars from running someone over.
At max, you get around three.
Well, it's one star, isn't it?
Well, it depends who you're running over. If you're running over
the police, it's just two stars. Instant.
Yeah, and then if you're in the
army base, that's an instant five.
You ain't got to run anyone over for that one.
I think the army base is six. Army base
is straight to max.
What is it, more than five stars?
Is it not more than five? Is that five or six?
It's been so long since I played it. I thought it was five.
Maybe it is five. I would
like a
sense of,
not massively, but a little build
up on the realism
of it, in a sense of
not classes, but I'd
like there to be specific
roles that you can build upon
and fill. So,
for example, if you,
if you're doing heists
and things like that, or you are your own
person in GTA 6,
say it's online,
I'd like to be able to build
my person around,
say, someone like, someone
that's really good at hacking, or you've
got someone that's really good at dealing
with arms and shit like that.
I'm not saying have a fucking,
have a talent tree, where
now there's like a meta build and all that shit,
but I'm just saying where, because in
GTA 5 online, obviously you've got like the motorcycle
club and the fucking
casinos and all the different
jobs that you can take up,
but
last I played it,
it didn't feel like you were doing anything,
you weren't a part of anything,
you were just doing another quest and that was it.
It's a really cool idea, I like that.
You could like, so for all
the heists and that, you could have, say you went
down the hacking route and I went down the arms
route, so to speak, you could have
us lighting a party and we need three other
people. You could like,
have an option to go and scope out
what it is you think you need, walk around, have a look,
do all that shit and then be like
right, different ways of
doing it, but oh we could do with someone on surveillance,
we could do with someone as a getaway driver,
then you'd be able to,
this is obviously just made up off
the top of my head, but you could like,
you could have like ranks of people online
that are online and be like, oh look at
this guy, he's done 73
heists with a percentage of
success rate of this amount, he's
really good at surveillance
or getaway driving or whatever,
he's online, how much
should we offer him to come
and do that for us and then just join
and be like, right, yeah that would be so sick.
Like a proper heist, you could be like, oh,
now I want to play GTA. Like you could be
in a heist and you go, oh for fuck's sake,
we haven't got a person with us
that's any good at hacking,
but we do have a person that's specialised
in demolitions, so we'll have
to get in the loud way. Just blow through the
wall. Yeah, and things like that, I feel like there
can be, there can be
something like that implemented
where it allows you, because
the systems are kind of there,
you go to the weapon store
and the weapons
are already all there, but there's nothing
saying that you can't have specific stuff that's
locked off to, like I say, demolitions,
cluster bombs, things like
that. C4s and that. Yeah,
where you have to have a certain amount
of, but make it so that
you can,
so say there's, I don't know,
call it five or six different
things that you can
specialise into,
make it so that ultimately
you focus on one, and then you
have leftover, say
it's points or whatever it would be based on,
that you can divvy
out to the other things,
like, rather than like being able
to do it all, you can
but still hold your own. Maybe you can
just do it all. So there's five classes,
but you like doing getaway driving,
so you do that for 90% of your
and you get a really high getaway
rating and you unlock, I don't know,
special punch of three tires
or something. But if you fancy
a bit of demolition, you can go and try that, but obviously
you're low rank of demolition and you have to
level it up. Because they've got it there.
When you look at your stats on GTL Online,
obviously you've got like piloting and things like
that, so why not just
build more on that and make
it more of an aim,
because that stuff, it just goes up naturally.
You don't really pay that much of an
attention to it.
Like your gun score,
for example. If mine's at the bottom
and someone else is at the very top, I can still kill
the fucker. I can still aim onto him
and kill him. It's not really making that much of a
difference. Same with piloting. All it does
is change the turbulence. You get less of it when you're fucking
piloting, which makes very little sense
because there's very little you can actually do about turbulence
in the real world anyway.
But it's just
having something like that.
Like you say, I agree with you.
The sandbox that is
GTA Online is such a big
place, but
they've made it small
by bringing out vehicles that are extremely fast
and easy to get around other places, so now the map
does feel smaller.
And there isn't that much that's going
on. Ultimately,
yes, you've got the NPCs talking and there's fucking
there's police chases and there's stuff like that
that's going on, but really and truly,
you can drive around a lot and
there's just very little that is going on.
I think they need more interiors with
things going on. There's not
many interiors, hence why I say
it's cool, man.
There's places on the map where you can just pull up
to a liquor store, as they're
called, and just hold them up.
That's cool. That's a cool thing to do. Just
pull up, put your ballet on for immersion
and it stops you from getting your
star rating so high.
Nick some money and then fuck off in your car
and you can create your own little things like that.
But other than that,
there's not really a lot going on. You'll see
some geysers flying around on a flying
motorbike firing rockets. It's just annoying.
I would also
like to see
some form of housing market
whereby,
say for example,
because right now in GTA, there's not really a whole lot
of customisation you can do with your
houses and everyone buys
the main one.
One that's sitting on a maze bank or some shit
like that or whatever
it's called.
You might be able to change the sofas.
It's a preset
thing anyway that's normally an obnoxious
amount of money. Ultimately,
you don't spend any time in your houses
anyway. Only there to change
outfits and that's about it.
I'd like to see
not necessarily like a house
builder,
but say something where
again,
say I buy
a property, I'm also able
if I've got the money to hire
an interior designer or an
architect or something like that.
Then after a while of progression with that,
it unlocks various different things that I can
now add to my house or do
to my house and then have a market
where I'm able to sell that
to other players
who would be looking for
something like that.
Say like you have an
interior designer where
it sounds really fucking boring.
But say you have like an interior designer where you
can level and max up to like 10
something like that which unlocks whatever.
Well,
if you can't be asked to do that,
you can buy the house. You can
try and find someone who's selling a house with
X, Y and Z in it that
you can only get from a level 10
interior designer. But you've skipped
all of that grinding bullshit
and you've just bought it straight from an auction instead.
Little things like that
that gives you more of a
not a necessity but more of a
grind for some people to want to
actually grind out the other shit
because they can make some more
money that way. You know what I mean?
Just something other than just doing fucking
playlist races
and shit like that to just get a little bit
of cash. Have something in there.
I never liked the heists. I thought
the idea of them very cool.
But the way...
Yeah, the way I'd just
be like doing my thing, driving to the
thing. I'd been driving for 8 minutes
or some dumb shit. And then
someone's screaming down the mic something
and then, you know, heist failed.
I'm sorry, for fuck's sake. And I'd have to
start again all the way back, do
another 8 minutes of driving and then I'll fucking
crash and then it's, oh heist failed.
And then they just abuse you. You fucking
idiot. You fucking... And I'm not doing this.
So I think I only, if I
even did,
successfully do one heist, I think.
Because it's just frustrating and I'm just
not there to be abused on it, isn't it?
I did quite a few heists but they were just
for the effort that you have to put into
it in order to get
the best out of it. It's just a lot
of shit and if you're not
in a decent group
it's just... And the payout at the end of the day
it's shit because
things cost so much money.
Basically like fucking real life now.
The pay is a bit waff and
everything else costs fucking way too
much money. So you just have to
resort to stealing shit now.
So it...
They...
The benefit
in terms of the ratio of effort
put in and money gained
wasn't as good as it was
if you just did little missions that were
quick like 5-10 minute jobs and
just repeatedly done them over and over again.
But that would become very boring. Like the one
that I'd always do was called a titan of a job
where you would
break into the airport and
steal one of those cargo planes.
One of the army planes. I could never do that. It was well hard.
Yeah, no. That was like my go to one.
You just go and steal one of them and then fly it and land it
in the county place.
Every time I tried to fucking take off
in a plane they just blew me up. But what I
used to do because I had
the hydro jet
that could hover. So
you'd spawn into the mission.
I'd call that up with like Meriwether or
Pegasus, whoever it fucking is.
It would usually spawn quite near
to you. I'd run over, get that, go to the airport
just fucking obliterate everyone
and then whoever else is in the group
can pick the plane up and fuck off.
Rinse and repeat. Just keep doing that.
I would imagine it's become
a lot easier now because there's many
different vehicles that do way more damage
than the fucking hydro did. But at its time
the hydro was sort of the
the best thing that you could
get hold of. I felt like a god flying around.
I never really got into GTA Online.
I know you did. I know a couple
of our pals like Charlie and that. He took
me on a tour of all the shit he'd
accrued over the years.
Massive fucking navy vessels
and bases and all
sorts of shit.
It never really gripped me like
that but it seemed to grip everyone else.
There's just too much shit. There's too much shit
and it got to a point where it was like, well what am I supposed
to be focusing on here? What am I supposed to be doing here?
What's the... And it was just what's the best way
to make money? And a lot of it just
become very fucking mundane. Like if you
were running a bikers club
there'd be
like smuggling drugs and weapons
and things like that.
Which would require you... You'd have to go
and steal everything and then
if you wanted and like basically
put it in like a lock up. And then if you wanted
to sell it you had to transport it from one point
to the next. Well when you did that
it popped up on the fucking map.
And people would just come and blow your shit up
and then boom that's gone. All of your stuff's now gone.
The last time I played it I think I
played it with you. Cause I bought
a little
underground army base.
To buy and sell weapons.
And I didn't know what I was
doing. But yeah then that
is that same thing. You get in your
lorry. You kind of decide how much
you want to take with you.
And then yeah you pop up on the map as a red
dot. You immediately get blown up.
But then obviously I'm just a peasant driving
about. I've got nothing.
And then you've got all these people flying
around in you know jumbo jets
and fucking flying motorcycles
with homing missiles. It's just like
how am I supposed to compete with this? Yeah what am I supposed to do?
So it's very much of a...
It did the...
I feel like it did the typical
thing that a lot of games
a lot of live service games and shit like that
end up doing. Where
they went too far.
They went too far. Too
futuristic. There's too
many different fucking things. It got
silly and now
it's just a bit shit.
I'd like them to keep it a bit more grounded.
A bit more gritty. That's how I was viewing
Fortnite until they implemented
the no build.
Fortnite no build. Sick. I feel like it was
getting fucking silly.
Well yeah they had to do that because it was...
New players just didn't stand a chance. Not a fucking chance.
They were losing their way I feel. Call of Duty
went down the same route as well.
Where things were just getting stupid.
The goat.
Fucking cod.
There's plenty of games where
they over evolve
for no reason and rather than
fixing a leak
they just keep putting fucking tape over it.
Tape and tape and tape and tape and tape
and you're not addressing the issue.
You're just putting a bandage over it. The classic
power creep in GTA
was like, right let's make this.
That's really powerful. Let's make this.
That's even more powerful.
Everything else is just mundane and useless
because everything else is...
You want to sell stuff.
You want people to buy the items.
You have to make a reason for them
to buy them to make them more powerful.
Give them another gimmick to make people want
these items and make them desirable.
By doing that then all the other stuff
you've made is pointless.
Then the power creep just keeps getting higher and higher
and gets ridiculous and you've got flying
motorbikes that fire home in rockets.
World of Warcraft
used to be very bad
for having that power creep
but they also got very good at
fixing it by just doing a squish.
Every couple of expansions
they just fucking drop
the level cap right down. Change it
all over again because at one point
the max level was 120.
It used to be 60.
Back in the day
it's 60 now
but it went 60,
70, 80
and then I think it went
85 and then 90
and then went to 100, 110, then 120
and there was periods
where it just kept getting squished down
so now it's 60
and it just all gets...
They almost hit a reset on it
going, fuck this, it's getting ridiculous now
because the numbers just get crazy.
The amount of health, the amount of damage, it all gets ridiculous.
Absolutely ridiculous.
And then they just squish it down.
But obviously games like
Grand Theft Auto
you're not as readily available
to do that because the amount
of shit, it's a completely different ballgame.
It's not stats and fucking
gear and shit like that. It's
vehicles and buildings and
all that other shit.
I must interrupt this broadcast
because I need a shit.
I'm an old man, it's coming all of a sudden.
Right, you go and have your poo, old man.
While you was gone
pooing I actually squeezed out a couple of little
nuggets as well.
So, I feel refreshed.
I got my little coffee
sweet.
We both shit out of shit.
As you can hear, we both shit out of shit.
But we save that for the
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Forward slash what's about
We was talking about GTA
but I can't remember exactly what point
GTA 6, can't wait.
Let's go. Weeeee.
What's Mark saying about Spider-Man?
I'm pissed off about Spider-Man.
Mark can go and fuck himself.
Little dirty rat.
And I know
there'll be no repercussion of this because you won't
hear this till Monday and I'm not in
Monday Tuesday. Nice.
He's a dirty little fat skit.
I hate him. He does this
annoying thing where
if I say stuff to him, like obviously
because I'm his boss. Yeah, I'm
in charge of him. We've grown up
together from year 7 and
we're at a point now where I'm much
higher than he is on
the social, financial
and personal scale.
I'm just, he's
down here and I'm all the way
up here. For those that can't see, he's pointing to the
floor. Yeah. Me and you are both
up here. I'm trying to get both hands here.
I'll bring it down here. We're both here.
Mark's here down by a sort of like
nutsack level. Alright?
And he does this thing
where if I tell him anything or ask
him to do stuff, which I do politely
or anything, he just shrugs.
I go, do you wanna
go and do that? And he'll just look at me and go
no.
And I hate it. I hate the shrug.
I hate it. Cause you don't
take anything seriously.
You go, does that bother you? And he'll just look at you and he goes
Arrrrgh!
I hate him!
Anyway, Spider-Man 2.
Best friend ladies and gentlemen. Best friends.
He's platinum dude. He can go fuck himself.
Like I say, you won't hear this until
whenever.
His little
fat face. But what is
his opinion? Because I'm pissed off about it
because I saw spoilers.
You haven't played it? Yeah, I know but I've seen spoilers.
I've seen spoilers.
I wanna ask you now because obviously I know everything
that happened. Yeah and it's fucked me off.
Substantially fucked me off.
Mark has platinumed it.
Mark really, really
enjoyed it.
Said it's the
best Spider-Man that he's played.
However, it was short.
True. But he
very, very much enjoyed it.
Question, has he
sold it yet? Yeah. Literally sold it
instantly. On eBay for 55
quid. Well that's fucking expensive.
Not bad, is it? It's expensive.
It's a 70 quid game, isn't it? Is it?
60? No, 70.
My
reason for asking that was because I think there's
gonna be DLC. So does he not
interested?
He might have
missed out on some DLC.
What? That's coming. Well
there's a lot of speculation that there will
be DLC. I think there's been DLC in the
last one. There was a fair bit of
DLC actually. I saw speculation on there being
DLC. I don't think he
massively cares.
He's not, don't get me wrong,
he plays DLC but
he's not massively into it. I don't think
he'll feel that he's necessarily
lost out on anything. He especially
won't pay like
50 odd quid for the game.
He just won't do that.
The reason why it's being sold so
quick is obviously people buying the Collector's Edition
they've got that steelbook. They can't have got nothing to
put into it because it's all fucking digital.
So people are obviously trying to buy it
for the
physical copy of it. But yeah
I saw that thing about DLC.
So
he really liked
it. People are playing it fucking.
There was, pisses me off
man because you buy a game, you can
play it however you want. You've paid the money,
you can shit on it for all you want, you've
paid the fucking money for it. I bought
Baldur's Gate, haven't played it, not
interested. But I spent that money
on doing whatever the fuck I want.
People that buy these games
Ash, and then get them done.
It released on a Friday.
Or was it a Thursday?
It was a Friday. Friday
it released. There's people
on the Saturday, I've completed
it. I've platinumed it.
The fuck, what are you doing? What are you
doing? There was one guy
on the PlayStation
forum thing, on Facebook
the group. It was the Monday
morning, right? It's 7 in the morning.
And he posted up going
I've got 50 hours in so far.
How? How have you done
that? How? It come out on Friday.
Friday.
It's now Monday. I think
it was like 48 hours.
Something like that. It was in the 40 mark.
Of hours logged on
Spider-Man 2.
And I was like how, how are you doing
that? And everyone was saying the same thing like you need to get
a life. Are you, I'm all for it.
I've done it many times before.
Destiny 2. Fucking
16 hours solid. World
of Warcraft. I think my
longest wow thing was 21 hours.
Solid. Wowzers. There's no
pun intended but wow. It's crazy.
Crazy fucking time to just spend
sat looking at a screen. I don't think I've ever
done that length of time. Yeah I felt like shit after.
I've done a lot of 12 hours when I was younger.
I was on some madness. I literally went
to sleep for about 4 or 5
hours and then got up and then started
playing it all over again. I'm having bad
sleep patterns now.
Because of Marvel Snap.
There's a card right called Elsa Bloodstone.
And you know how
Marvel Snap works. Every time you put
her down, wherever she is
on the board, when you put a fourth
card to fill the row on
any row, it will give it
it gives her a plus. Elsa
gives that card plus 3 power.
She's just been nerfed to plus 2 but
nevertheless. But because I've played that card
so much, when I've been
dreaming and I've been waking up
and all I'm thinking in my dreams
and when I'm awake is just
I can just see this blood diamond
flying across going plus 3 power
plus 3 power. It's in my dreams and I'm waking
up thinking plus 3 power. It's fucking my head
up. So yeah that
I can understand this dreaming
game fucking your sleep shit.
No more Marvel Snap before bed for me. It's fucking my
brain up. All over it. It's crazy. I even got up for a piss.
I never do that. I love that shit though.
I love it when the games take over.
I absolutely love it. What the fucking
it was ESO.
Because the mouse that I use has the key
the numbers on the side of it. My razor
mouse. Many times
I've woken up like for work
or something and I've quickly gone through
the rotation in my head.
Because I know what I saw. Fucking hell you're so sad.
Even like with one of
the healing add-ons on WoW. Everything's all like
you can keybind everything to like
shift, click, scroll and all that shit.
And still to this day I
know my
it was a missed weaver healer. And I know
the rotation inside out
because I did it for so
long. It's crazy how that shit
just sticks in your brain. There's nothing wrong with
that. Look the way I see it we got a
unique hobby. Play a lot of computer
games. We're blessed. We're lucky.
A hobby can be done from almost
anywhere. At home. On the go.
Wherever you want to be.
If people that like golf or
football or anything could do it in their
home in their spare time. You better
believe people would be doing their favourite
thing in the world constantly.
People who play golf are just bell sniffers.
It's only because our
hobby is one of the only few you can do at home
that we do it so often.
You know any time that's free
I don't want to watch a film or watch TV.
I'd rather play the computer.
If I get a chance to play a computer when the kids are in bed
I'm going to do it. That's what I love doing.
48 hours in 3
days is an impressive time.
Yeah but if that's what you love and you've
got no responsibility. You're not neglecting
anything. If that's what you want to do crack on.
I just find it crazy though.
It is crazy but as long as
no one's getting hurt. No one's neglected.
The pets are being looked after. The kids are
watered and fed. And you're not
neglecting them while you're playing.
Then you do be my guest.
I remember Blizzard had a massive lawsuit because people were dying
playing their game.
People were dying playing World of Warcraft.
Because they wanted to be with their character
that died or something. I remember reading it years ago
in a newspaper.
There was people who locked themselves
in their rooms and didn't eat or drink
or anything. They just played the game and basically
starved to death.
I just nearly swallowed my coughs with it.
That would have been great content though.
I'd have had to come over and give you the
Hymenic remover live on air.
It's actually called abdominal thrusts.
We can now get done for fucking
plagiarism there or whatever.
Right. Abdominal thrusts
maneuver. Because they trademarked it didn't they?
I don't know. So you have to fucking
when they do the courses they've got to pay if they
want to call it Hymenic
maneuver. Interesting. Little bit of
information for you.
Yeah he really liked it though.
I'm going to get it but not yet.
But the more the time
goes on it's annoying me because it's everywhere.
The kids are on YouTube at home and
I'm just seeing thumbnails and the thumbnails
spoil it. The captions spoil it. Twitter
people are just spoiling it. The thing that pisses
me off right on Twitter they'll be like
they'll post a cut there. I've just seen it
while I was shitting out of shit.
Four pictures. You know how they
put their pictures on. One picture
there, two picture there and two below.
They've put the pictures on and then the
caption is beware spoilers below.
I've looked at the fucking pictures before I've read
your caption you knob cheese. You put an eye
capturing picture on you fucking dicks.
Oh mate it's infuriating and
I get it because you're excited
and you want to share it with the world but
come on man there's got to be some sort of
grace period where you like. It's worse when they do
it in like gameplay trailers
when they reveal something and you're like
what the fuck. That's so imperative
and you just put it in a trailer you cunt.
Fuck me. I mean a lot of people were
saying like it's been out for a week
so you should be expecting the spoilers
now. Fuck you. Nah man.
Fuck you. I just don't want to see it.
Everyone just does it for thumbnails
I know everyone's different with spoilers and shit
but that really ruins a game
for me. The thing that I've seen in Spider-Man
has already pissed me off so much
that it's made me think well I'm not going to get
that moment of like oh my god.
What spoiler did you see? I'm not going to sass.
He's going to spoil it for everyone else. Hold on.
What's an incredible thing to be spoiled.
It's awful isn't it? It's so annoying.
It's infuriating.
There was no blip there ladies and gentlemen.
I'll just pause so I can hear what it is that's been spoiled.
Yeah but it's also
I feel like that's
kind of a difficult thing to
avoid being spoiled.
Probably but
you can't like so there's a lot of
I've been on YouTube not
creating content but I've been watching YouTube
probably since
for about 13 years 12, 13 years
I've been watching. Yeah. Just let's plays.
I love let's plays. Yeah. I don't really do
them anymore but I used to love watching them.
Now there's a lot of people that I follow
and watch because when I
play a story game
if there's no like choices and deviation
what I like to do is I'll play it
and then I'll watch someone else play it but I'll always be
ahead of them so I'm not getting spoiled.
And if I get caught up I'll stop watching it.
But a lot of the people that I like
they use the generic
things every time. They'll have a generic
thumbnail they'll use for every episode.
And they'll title it
but they won't title it anything spoiled. Yeah.
But a lot of the thumbnails I'm seeing now are literally
images. Of the game.
Capital letters
and it just fucks me off man.
And yeah avoid it but I can't.
My kids are on YouTube. I'm making sure
what they're watching ain't bad and I'm watching what
they're scrolling through and it's fucking
popping up here there and everywhere. Twitter is kind of
you know not my job but part to
keep up to date with news and stuff like
that. And it's just impossible to fucking be
in this circle and avoid it. What we're
doing is we're sacrificing our fucking
love for gaming for you cunts listening to this
because we have to do research. It might
not seem like it. It definitely
doesn't seem like it. We spend a lot of time
just talking about bowel movements.
But that's on the Patreon.
We do have to do
some form of research
for quite I like to
think that this podcast is quite up to date.
We're quite on the
mark when it comes to the big stuff and
being relevant while we're in
the episodes. So
in order to do that you have
to research various different things. And
we try and not do spoilers because
it spoils it for people.
But sometimes it's just so
fucking difficult. I'm amazed
that God of War was not
one that was spoiled for us.
I'm amazed that we weren't able that
wasn't something that got
spoiled because that was
tough man.
Because I think that was bang on the mark
a week for me to think it was
episode to episode I had it done by
the next episode. And that was
tough man.
It's tough. And like you say
with the way that
things like YouTube, TikTok, fucking
Instagram, all forms
of social media. Everything's so
fucking click bait-y now. Everything.
And a lot of these motherfuckers
are just not creative whatsoever.
I'm not creative but I don't make
the kind of content like that. I make this
kind of content. I hate that fucking word.
It's so YouTube written.
Content. Fuck off.
I make this kind of stuff, right?
So I feel like
a lot of
YouTubers all follow
the same fucking format.
They're all carbon copies of each other.
Most of you motherfuckers
you're all carbon copies, yeah?
Same with us doing this bullshit.
And I just feel like a lot
of them are like you say. The thumbnail
is now a spoiler. It's gone
from having a title that's click bait
that's got nothing to actually do
with the fucking video that you're putting up
to just straight up spoiling it.
But it appears as click bait because you think
well no one would be silly enough to put a spoiler as their
fucking title. I know people would
and people do. But you still click on it and
watch it because you want to find out if it's a spoiler or not.
And lo and behold it is.
It's just very difficult to avoid shit like that now.
It'll be interesting to see because I saw
a thumbnail that also said
Spider-Man 2 ending.
So it'll be interesting to see if that thumbnail
resonates with the ending.
I'll be keeping that in mind.
God of War, that's why I ruined the experience
for myself. I didn't. I still loved it.
10 out of 10 game but just rushed it didn't I?
Just didn't do anything to the side. Still haven't
gone back to it to do any of the side stuff
apart from the other bit
that's like the ending ending if you know
what I mean.
But yeah I just bum rushed it because
I just didn't want to get spoiled because
everyone's different with spoilers. You know
Royce doesn't care.
Films, TV shows,
games, anything.
I don't care if you tell me the ending
I'm still going to go and watch it. If you tell me the
ending of a TV show that's seven seasons long
I'm not going to watch it because you've spoiled it.
What's the point?
People are different. With me
I feel like
I like the main
thing for story games specifically
multiplayer games whatever the
fuck ever. Datamined all this shit is coming.
Cool. Don't care.
But when it comes to story games
the story is the draw.
So I want that
headphones on, sitting on the
sofa, immersed
and then that wow moment when
they're like oh by the way
this is happening. You're like what the fuck
that's what makes them so good because
you're like jaw dropping, controller dropping
moments, i.e. the last of us two
when you switch and you're like
what the fuck. I thought it was just like
a flashback period or something
and then after about ten minutes I'm thinking
are they doing what I think they're doing?
The spoilers on the last of us
part two were absolutely
abhorrent. They were
fucking everywhere because and I won't
spoil it even though I think we have done on this
podcast before. It's old enough anyway but I
still won't say it. The
thing that happens very early on in the game
happens very early on in the
game. So that means
that is a very very quick thing to be spoiled.
Especially when it was so fucking popular
so everyone was fucking playing that and
you're talking you're like what? Not even five
hours in and that shit happens.
It's like an hour. Yeah real fucking early in.
So it's such
an imperative point of the story.
So it was so quick to
be spoiled for a lot of people that just hadn't
played it.
And yeah
there were so many twists and turns in that game.
Especially with the
switching and shit like that.
So
yeah it's just tough.
But that's what I mean though.
That first initial thing you're talking about
you can get that spoiled
and then it's to have like we've discovered
40 odd hours of gameplay after that with
many twists and turns. Still a lot of
However
that has such an emotional impact.
If you know that's coming it just ruins
it. Ruins it for you. When you're like
oh my god no please.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot
of people that refused to play it after
finding out that first spoiler. 100%
there was. 100%.
Because people were angry about it.
Do you think people have waited what?
6, 7 years for the next one?
Obsessing, loving, everything
about that game. Only to have it
shit all over them. Spoiled.
It's infuriating and people have just
got no respect for
other people's
lives I think. It's just rude.
I've never understood it.
I think it's people that
have the power to do something to
piss someone else off and they like to
abuse it. Because I'd never
deliberately ruin someone
else's experience. It's just
shitty behaviour.
But yeah that's happened many times
before and I'm sure it'll happen many times
after. You keep giving people
early
access to things as well.
Streamers and YouTubers because they get
to review it. And
spoilers can be subjective
in terms of like the last
of us right. I knew
what was going to happen. I didn't know it was going to happen in the first hour.
But I knew what was going to happen
without even being spoiled
because the amount of
shit I was seeing on Twitter about
ooo this game is
going to do something. This is going to divide
the fan base. This is...
Just things like that. I know that there's
something in it that is... What could
possibly do that? It doesn't take
rocket science to think right I know they're
going to do something massive.
What could that be from knowing
what I know from the first game? Okay.
So I'm already kind of softened
to the fact of what might happen.
So it's not... You don't even need to fucking
say it to spoil it a lot of the time. Just people's
reactions. And I haven't said it
I haven't really spoiled it. I've just
reacted. Yeah that's enough. Because now
I know something massive is happening.
Yeah the reaction is always more than enough
to be able to fucking
figure something out. That shit fucks
me off man.
So that's what Mark thought about Spider-Man 2.
I will get it. It may be a
Christmas game for me.
We'll see. I've got a lot on my plate.
Warzone is
taking over.
Bouldersgate is nowhere to be
seen. I'm worried I'm getting to that
kind of time now where
if I jump back in now I ain't got
a clue what's going on. So yeah it's
dangerous. I'm playing a dangerous game.
Ladies and gentlemen
I've known Ash for
three years
I think now. Yeah
about three years. It is three
years. Because I was at Dickhead Place
for a year and I've been at New Place
for two years.
In November.
And I
know the man pretty well now.
We do a podcast
every single week. I don't know if you're aware.
And in that time
you learn
how each other works. So
when he says that he's going to be
playing a massive
game that's taken
fucking long time
and then obsesses over it
and then suddenly switches to a
different game. You know that that
original game that he obsessed over
is doomed. And it
is doomed. You haven't gone back
to God of War to do the side missions
we all knew that was coming.
And even then
there's verbal
evidence of you saying no I'm going back
I'm going to do it. There's also evidence
of me saying that I'd do that. But I'm known for this
kind of stuff. I don't go back. At least
I own it. I just say I'm not going to go back.
And then
now there's this. Diablo
4. It's my forever game.
Haven't fucking picked that cunt up have you?
Because it's shit.
Fair enough. It is awful.
However, Baldur's Gate 3 is a very
good game. It's just very big.
There's a lot of shit to do.
And I just know you man.
You're like me. You got burnt out because you're
so excited. Like a fucking puppy running
around in a field. That's what we're like.
Very excited.
I fucking love this. This is great. Look at this.
Waaah. And then you're knackered.
Or you fall over and you hurt yourself.
You're going in that field again. I've had enough.
There's something in that. And that is
the over excited, obsessed
I'm just like. It's the ADHD.
The greatest thing I've ever experienced.
I need to absorb every piece of information
about this. I was watching YouTube
breakdowns of fucking
like D&D stuff of the actual
lore and everything.
That's not why I've stopped playing it.
I stopped playing it because
I wanted to play
a multiplayer game with my friends
and the interaction is fun
and enjoyable.
And now I'm
just kind of in that bubble. I want to go
back to Baldur's Gate and I will
finish that fucking game
because it's my favourite game of all time.
And I can't say that without finishing it.
But you know, I can say it
now. But I cannot
say it's my favourite game of all time without finishing it.
It just doesn't seem that true. Listen everyone
Rain Dolo lives on.
Alright.
You know, he's been through some
shit. He's seen some things.
Also I know spoilers
that you don't as well. So I want to get
your reaction off of them.
I know a lot of stuff that you don't know about.
I fucking love that game.
It's my favourite game of all time. And I won't change
that until something tops it.
But I fucking know how that's going to happen.
The Witcher 4.
Possibly. That could be the only thing that
on the top of my head could do it.
And another
thing I need to do is Cyberpunk, Phantom
Liberty. I fucking love that shit.
But I'm really taking my time with
that because I think that is some dope dope.
Moving House has fucked me, you know,
because my game in Stamina has just disappeared.
I'm fucked from work.
I'm fucked from trying to figure out how to move house.
So when it comes to gaming,
I've been playing so much
Rocket League. Because like you said
last episode, it's just something to
pick up and just fucking waste some
hours on it and then just drop it like it's nothing.
Very easy fucking game.
With Baldur's Gate and EAFC
if that's what you want to call it.
Baldur's Gate takes a lot of my mind power.
Like, because it's
I'm invested in the story.
So I'm only playing when I'm
ready and I'm awake.
I can't play when I'm really tired.
I need to fucking concentrate.
Need to make the decisions I want to make or
Rain would make. And also
the fighting,
it takes some fucking brain power. It's not as simple
just button mashing. It's not Mortal Kombat.
I need to think about strategies,
abilities, moves, turns,
fucking character abilities.
There's so much to think about.
It takes a lot. So when I can just jump on Warzone
and just switch my brain off and shoot some people,
it's easy.
Steph's been seeing a lot of Baldur's Gate 3
and she's like, oh, I really want to play it.
And I said to her,
I don't know what you would prefer, whether you'd like playing it
with a controller or not.
But I said, I'm more than happy to
re-download it onto my PC.
Because I said, I ain't fucking
paying to have it on the PlayStation.
I already spent 60 quid on it to have it on here.
So I'm actually
just fucking downloading it again now.
I'm not sure if she likes it.
I don't know if it would be her cup of tea.
But...
Can you play it with a controller on the PC?
Yeah, of course you can. I said this to Steph.
I said, I don't like the click to move
play style.
I hate it, in fact.
But plugging in a controller
onto
a PC,
and yes, it's a laptop, but even it would be no different
if it was a PC. For me, it just feels dirty.
I don't like it.
I don't like it. I don't feel comfortable.
I feel comfortable sitting on my laptop in the
position that I am using a mouse and a keyboard.
When I'm sat back with a controller
playing it, I don't like it. It doesn't feel natural.
You bang me in front of the PlayStation,
it's the exact same seating position, everything.
I love it. But on a PC,
for some reason, it just feels alien.
And I don't enjoy it. So...
No. Plus, with a PlayStation controller,
you have to have the cup plugged in.
You can't do wireless.
Because they don't connect. Because they're fucking stupid,
even though it's a PS5 controller.
They don't connect up.
So, yeah. That's what it's...
That's what it's going to be. Okay.
Well, I'd say that's wrapped us up nicely.
That's done it, ladies and gentlemen.
I hope she enjoys Bouldersgate. So do I.
I know she's going to love the character creation.
I hope she likes it,
because I need someone to talk to about it.
Carl Connor? Yeah, but he's...
He's a ginger little prick as well.
While we're on it,
little fucking little shit.
Yeah. He's getting a little bit too comfortable
showing me his penis.
It's a little bit too much.
From Darrell, I expect it.
But Connor was the quiet, shy,
nerdy, fucking
Rupert Grint Weasley
looking motherfucker.
He's going to hate this.
And now he's come out of his shell.
And he's an absolute freak.
Because he gets his nutsack out.
He keeps grabbing Mark's penis
and touching him up. And Mark don't like that.
So he's crying. He's getting upset.
So I just need to get it out here.
Just stop it. Leave him alone.
I do not endorse this kind of behaviour.
It's not nice.
Carry on.
That wraps us up, I think.
Because that was quite the point to end on.
Yeah.
Okay. Oro. Oro.