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Oh, God. Oh, my God.

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Anyway, I keep going.

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More rap. More rap.

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Okay, hold on.

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Yeah, I guess I guess we're just right back where we were a minute ago.

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Yeah. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me.

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Just I'll tell you, I'm doing something to the knob. OK.

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Yeah, OK. Yeah, I did it.

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Perfect. Yeah, I felt it.

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Yeah. You did it to the knob.

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Yeah. We know from knobs.

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Speaking of knobs, there's that moment in between worlds.

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This is the way we introduce the.

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Oh, look at that.

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Did you see that, Sean?

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That was a fucking segue.

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That's how you do it. God damn segue.

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Welcome. Welcome back to Cage Match, everybody.

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Cage Magic, colon a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage.

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I'm your host, Sean, with my cohost, Nick and our producer, Peter.

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Hello. And this week we have two guests.

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Why don't you guys introduce yourselves?

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My name's Roxanne and I am the wife of.

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I'm going by Gary.

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Yeah, we're going to go by Gary on the pod.

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And we're here to talk to Cage and real hyped about it.

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Thanks for having us. Love listening to you guys.

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And it feels like a real privilege to be here.

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Really excited for it. I think something good on this one.

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This is going to be great.

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So Roxanne, you were saying about Nick Cage's genitals.

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Yeah. Way to go, Rox.

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The word knob elicited a certain memory in me from yesterday

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when Gary and I were watching between worlds for the first time.

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Only time. Hopefully not the last.

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We get an annual tradition.

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Well, there was this one scene,

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but of all the scenes in the movie, I looked over at you and I like

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I did not know what my eyeballs were seeing.

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And that is this part when Nick Cage's character was his name.

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Joe is having sex with Billy slash his dead wife, Mary.

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And Billy's mom comes home.

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So Billy jumps up. Nick Cage gets out of bed.

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He has undies on apparently.

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And he's wearing a T-shirt and we think he's Donald Ducking it for a minute.

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But you can see something sticking out the bottom of the shirt.

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I looked around and I just said, what is going on with this guy's penis?

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This was the second week in a row where we thought we might have seen

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Nick Cage's dog for the first time.

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Yeah. Y'all are still waiting for that moment.

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Yeah. Fingers crossed.

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How are you going to find your penis double?

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Yeah, sure. You got to have your dick twin. Dick twin.

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Right. That was that.

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Penis double sounds like a stump person.

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Dick twin is like just a life affirming moment.

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Yeah. Makes you feel right with everything.

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And also probably a person's name.

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I bet there is a dick twin out there selling used cars.

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I did. I went over to a friend's house once.

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I'd never been there before.

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It was in a gated community.

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And I had to know her dad's name to get in,

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which I didn't know.

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I texted her and she told me, just tell them that, you know, rich friend.

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And I was like, no, I need to know your dad's name.

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And that was her dad's name.

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Got me in.

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Oh, we're in the weeds now.

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How do we get back to Nick Cage?

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Yeah, we know.

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This is what I guess.

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So this week, we are talking about

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Vampire's Kiss from 1988

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and Between Worlds from 2018.

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Two movies where something supernatural might be happening.

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Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

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Backtracking a little bit.

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This is Cage Match, where we take 64 Nicolas Cage movies

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and pick them up head to head bracket style

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to determine the best Cagiest movie of all time until he makes more.

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And we have to do extra content on Patreon.

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Sign up for our Patreon.

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It's the only way you find out.

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Find out what?

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I don't know. The truth.

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You know, I actually want to ask about Peter is making

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best and Cagiest.

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You say that like the same thing.

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Have you all wrapped about whether or not that's different?

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Is the Cagiest film also going to be the best?

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No, we have to make this distinction because in like week two,

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I eliminated adaptation for Army of One, which was the wrong decision.

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I'm still mad about it.

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It's the best decision.

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It is the most Cagiest film.

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One of the most Cagiest films we've watched thus far.

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Yeah. I mean, where else are you going to see Nick Cage

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hang gliding to Afghanistan with a with a katana, a katana

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and a boombox on a red, white and blue hang glider?

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That's true.

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I do think there's an argument to be made, though, that between worlds

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is in the running for that.

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He literally breaks a fourth wall at one point in the film.

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No, it's a cagey ass film.

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I have things to say about it.

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So all right.

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Who wants to give me the general one paragraph synopsis of this movie?

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I can do you one better. I can do it in one sentence.

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Are you ready?

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A ghost is taking over Billy's body.

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Like some sort of hermit crab.

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So Nicholas Cage plays Trucker Joe.

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Trucker Joe.

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Joe Majors.

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Non-union as far as we can tell.

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And no one else you've ever heard of is in this stuff.

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That's not true.

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Franka Potente is in here and she was run Lola Run.

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Oh, you're right.

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Otherwise, nobody else is in it.

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Yeah. Nobody.

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Nobody matters.

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And L.A.B. Mitchell is Billy.

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That's the cast.

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Oh, well, you forgot about Hopper Penn.

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Sean Penn's kid.

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That's Sean Penn's kid.

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Yep, I did not know that.

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Well, the tree would have known that if we could have seen his wiener.

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That's true. You can always tell by the balls.

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The family resemblance would have been the family jewels.

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That's why they're called the family jewels.

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Yeah, that's why I'm at Hopper Penn and Dick twin.

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So you start together.

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So so Joe was a truck driver.

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Seems to be down on his luck.

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Oh, so oh, some money on things.

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Unclear.

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Well, you had a mortgage and he had a truck payment.

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Does he still have a mortgage?

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Well, I mean, he had a mortgage.

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I mean, he technically still has that property.

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I mean, it seems fairly abandoned.

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He's finds himself in a truck stop where he decides to yuck some woman's yum.

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She's correct.

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You know, fucking she's got an asshole there.

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Yeah.

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So the woman's getting what's her name?

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Well, that's a really good question.

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Choked out in a bathroom stall.

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Do you ask for consent before you stop a choking?

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Oh, damn.

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That's deep.

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I think if you're I think if you're in public space.

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You let it fly.

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No, I think if you're in public space doing that kind of act,

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you're unconsensually having people witness it, you know,

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so you're already kind of breaking that.

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And so if you butt in, it's like, well, you started it.

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You you butted into my shit.

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Now I'm button into yours.

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And then if they say, yo, you're yucking my yums,

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you know, see yourself out the door.

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But that's my take on it.

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It doesn't have to be the final word.

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It doesn't really give them time to explain their behavior.

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He just kind of kicks that guy's ass.

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Right. Truly.

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What if somebody busts in and it turns into like a Mexican choke off

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where everybody's choking everybody and like everybody's having a good time?

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That's best case scenario.

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What's your safe word, Nick?

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My safe word?

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Parallelogram.

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That's a good one.

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It is a good one.

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Peter and I like one weekend randomly found out we had the same safe word.

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It wasn't for sexy reasons.

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Don't ruin the mystery, Peter.

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What was it?

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Rutabaga.

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Oh, that's a good one.

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Very lyrical.

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So it turns out Julie can travel between worlds by drowning

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and or being choked in truck stop bathrooms.

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Peter, it looked like you were about to say something.

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I was going to say she can also get choked out in other places, Sean.

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Oh, that's true.

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I mean, up to this point, we only know one place she can do this.

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It's an NDE.

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She has to have an NDE, basically.

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It doesn't necessarily matter how.

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That's the sense I got from it.

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Near-death experience for the lay people.

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Thank you.

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Us enlightened folk over here.

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We're in on it.

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All of us people who are like down with all these choking terms.

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I was going to say, I don't know that sex.

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That's a good point, though, Rob.

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Stick with me after the pod, I'll show you.

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I'm curious if you could choose your own NDE experience to have to bring back people from

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the dead.

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What would you want it to be?

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Oh, damn.

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Drowning is really like in the ice water.

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That was a really killer one.

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I really enjoyed that from an aesthetic level.

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Looking at someone drowning under a sheet of ice was very pleasing to watch.

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So I really like that one on like a visual level.

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You're probably too distracted by the cringe worthy David Lynch homage that permeated the

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intro and the whole film.

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It was the same composer.

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Yeah, Battle of the Menti.

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Right.

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Yeah, I just found that whole thread really hard to watch.

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Cringe worthy is the word I'll use.

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I really enjoyed some of the stuff that David Lynch has done and I think making an homage

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to Twin Peaks specifically is kind of a cool thing to do, but I just thought it didn't

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come off very well.

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The piece of like Coast Salish art that was above the fireplace and they're in Louisiana.

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I was like, give me a break.

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At least try.

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So Billy crashes, so Nick Cage chokes Julie out and then something comes back.

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With consent.

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And something comes back.

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And we briefly see Julie between worlds.

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So they take Billy back home.

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Joe loses his truck.

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Billy has been, what's the word?

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Got him out of the brains again.

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Higacked.

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Possessed.

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Thank you.

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Possessed by Joe's ex-wife.

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They get into a sexual relationship with Billy's mom and things get weird involving him just

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getting a handy jay under a blanket while Billy's mom's in the kitchen.

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Holding a whole meat.

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Yeah, from his wife, but from her daughter.

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Yeah.

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So is it really wrong?

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I mean, he tries to explain it away when the mom catches them going at it later.

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It's like, it's my wife.

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It's like, that's my daughter.

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Can't they just be the same thing?

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So there's a lot of action involving ghosts.

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This is a horny ass ghost movie.

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Oh, I love a good horny ghost movie though.

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It's hornier than Ghost.

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Hornier or less horny than Drive Angry.

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Two horny ghost movies.

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Oh shit, right.

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This one had more boning down, but Drive Angry had more tit.

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Oh yeah, Drive Angry was a solid movie.

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This was a great movie too.

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I loved this film.

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This film was awesome.

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Yeah, I could definitely watch it right now.

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You guys are wrong.

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Well it's a good thing you don't get a vote, Peter.

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The only votes that ever count are mine and Sean's, but first mine.

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Well you know, I'll join you in that.

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I loved it as well, but not in the way it wanted me to love it.

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No, that's fair.

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I genuinely enjoyed it.

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This movie is bad and I love that about it.

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Oh, 100%.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I mean, yeah, the twin peaks homage, him having sex in two timelines and reading from his

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journal, they just hit you over the head with it.

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Over.

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The black nurse who has psychic powers.

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It was so in your face from front to back the whole time.

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They kept on it.

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I do have a question about the nurse.

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You can't tell me they wrote more and then didn't get around to using it.

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She says things like, leave that to us.

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Who's us?

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What are you?

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It's our business.

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Don Cheadle can give people glimpses.

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Yeah, he's a magical black man.

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Maybe she's a magical black woman.

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There were some good jams in this film.

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Yeah, there was a couple of black flag songs and that song at the end.

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What was that one?

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Leader of the pack.

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Yeah, I really didn't understand that choice.

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I mean, if I'm going to choose anything from the movie to not understand, I don't know

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why I'm saying that one.

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But the wall of sound, like the Phil Spector vibe somehow made sense to me aesthetically

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with the house burning down.

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I don't know if it's because of what we know about Phil Spector or I don't know.

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It just for me, it made some sort of harmony together.

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But you're right.

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I can't quite decode exactly why that song Phil Spector ghost name ghost movie and all

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tracks.

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There are levels to this movie.

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I didn't even realize we're there.

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I know.

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All right.

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We're going to call it now.

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This movie wins.

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We're done.

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So let's discuss the sex in two timelines because it's been brought up a few times and

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there's no description for people who.

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In that situation, Nicolas Cage is having sex with the daughter of the chick that he's

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been hooking up with who sees dead people.

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Billy Mary with our Billy Mary because it's Mary, his wife's name and Billy, the daughter's

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name.

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He's having sex with the DM.

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Nick just pounded away on a BM.

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This is terrible.

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This is our content.

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So he's pounding away on a BM and he's having like flashbacks to like banging away on his

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wife in the before times.

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It was in his truck cab.

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I mean, I don't really know what happens in these movies.

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Or in truck cabs.

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Oh, I know what happens in truck cabs.

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We've seen two movies now where we see things happen in truck cabs.

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So he's banging away on her and having visions of it being his wife.

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What's creepy is then he pulls out his own journal and starts reading from it.

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Well, yeah.

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OK, so yeah.

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That cop smacked me.

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Like what in the world is going on?

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She's from memories.

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Mary's like, just read to me from memories.

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And he does.

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Memories by Nicolas Cage.

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Yeah.

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Which if you'd like to know my favorite quote, it is just Mary says, read to me from memories,

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Joe.

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And Joe says again.

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All sexing.

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And this is everything that he reads.

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And this is like a memoir or some kind of story written by Nicolas Cage that for some

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reason he just has a manuscript of.

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And it gives a little like, I enjoyed the art to try out.

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You rode your hat penis and she straddled my mouth.

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Your tongue's mingled above me.

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Your peach juice cascaded over and upon my golden cock.

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And I knew that we were a family, a tribe, our heat melting the snow beneath us on top

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of the mountain as the Inuit applauded.

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Just brutal.

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I totally brutal.

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And I could give or take most of that until he got down to and the Inuit applauded.

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How could you take most of that?

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I was like, yeah, that's happened to you in your life.

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You can handle that.

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I'm pretty callous.

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I don't know, but having Nicholas Cage describe a freeway.

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Fair.

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That's fine.

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But now you've got Eskimos watching in the background, golf clapping.

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And it's like, this is good.

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This is exactly what I want.

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Nicholas Cage to write in his memoir.

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Oh, very cagey.

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He truly did write that.

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Also, I read that he wrote that poem specifically for this movie.

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Amazing.

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I don't remember.

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I was doing some research.

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It'd be weird if he wrote it for anything else, though.

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That's a good point.

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I found the through line of these two films.

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Weird shit Nick Cage is into.

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I have something for that for Vampire's Kiss.

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This movie is kind of all over the place.

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I don't really know how to explain it.

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I genuinely enjoyed Nick Cage's performance for the most part.

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It's weird that we've seen, we're halfway through this now, we've seen 38 Nick Cage

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films, 32 Nick Cage films.

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I went to art school.

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That's why I do a Nick Cage podcast.

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We've seen 30, we've seen the cage and 32 roles right now.

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And every time we see him, for the most part, I don't see Nick Cage doing a bit.

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He's a good actor.

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I believe to his Joe.

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Yeah, he played super just drunk, trashy, traumatized trucker.

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Realistically, it met all my expectations of drunk, trashy, traumatized truckers.

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We've definitely seen him act drunk poorly and be not believable.

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We've seen him do it really well.

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We've seen him do it really well as well.

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He's very inconsistent in his drunk.

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I was going to say my favorite moment of acting in this film was the first scene where he's

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wandering through the truck stop and looking at all the chips and soda and he's drinking

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a bit gulp or whatever.

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I really felt like I was in that truck stop.

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It elicited the feeling of being in a space like that with the big, bright lights at early

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o'clock in the morning and hearing some lady getting choked out in the bathroom.

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Classic truck stop.

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Classic home in there.

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You know.

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And you gotta put your ho-ho down.

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Yeah, he turns down the hostess, drinks at the counter, which I don't understand.

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I do love...

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You mean the dessert bar?

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But yeah, he was good being down and out.

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I found it far less believable when he was frolicking in the hose.

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Oh yeah.

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Okay, so there's a few times in this film where we see something that might be a dream

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sequence.

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Like when he gets to Julie's house the first time, she invites him in and then it just

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cuts to them like rutting on the couch.

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Then they go inside.

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Is that the word you want to use?

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Who says just rutting?

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It's a common term for getting down.

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Gross.

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Like deer.

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I know a lot of Australian podcasts.

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This is about a truck driver.

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Nothing he does is nice.

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He's not making love.

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He's rutting.

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He was prone boning.

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But he has a vision of fucking this woman on the couch before he goes in the house,

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which is just sloppy editing.

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I now realize.

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But is he maybe psychic?

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Or you know, he's just goal oriented.

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Also, alright, you find out that the soul of your dead wife is in Billy.

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Play it cool dude.

431
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Why are you just waiting for her to run down to the store real quick to have an affair?

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Cool it.

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I don't think his ex-wife's ghost is all that good at coolin'.

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I mean, so they do establish that she had been at the funny farm for a while.

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I glazed over that.

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Yeah.

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I didn't catch that.

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I didn't catch that she was in the nuthouse.

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She wasn't doing so good.

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She doesn't do good on her own.

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I mean, crazy is sexy.

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And it turns out the way her and their daughter died was he went on a three day run and her

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cigarette lit the house on fire.

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Well, she killed him.

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You go ahead.

446
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You say it.

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That's what he believes is what I'm saying.

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And then we later learn the truth.

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Which is that she killed her daughter and herself.

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In a plea for attention.

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Which is wild.

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I've definitely known some people who would do something like this.

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Like, not to that extreme.

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But like, I don't think anybody's gonna like...

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No, it's just like I've dated some chicks who've done and said some shit.

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Or it's like, no, your thinking's not right there.

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You cheated on me.

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It's not my fault.

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But she was just trying to be like, oh, he'll...

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She kept saying, I thought you'd show up before.

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It's like, okay.

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She's not good at making a safe experiment of killing the child though.

463
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That's one of those safe experiments.

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I don't know any good way of like...

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He's not gonna show up if there's a stopper on the knife.

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Do knives have stoppers?

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Most of them do, yeah, for sure.

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So it's gotta be a real knife with no safety on it.

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And you put that in the baby and then your husband will show up before the baby dies.

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It's good.

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So welcome to cage match.

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So when they get back to their old house, which is only half burnt out, because he says

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like they died in a fire, but the living room wasn't burnt out.

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The baby's bedroom wasn't burnt out, although there was a burnt jack in the box in it.

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If you watch the trailer, you're expecting this very jumpy horror film with burned jack

476
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in the boxes and like, you should see how bad I am with a knife.

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Like comments like that.

478
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But then you watch the film and it isn't jumpy like that at all.

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Even when they do the dream sequences, it feels like the tone, like psychologically,

480
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doesn't really shift all that much.

481
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Yeah, is he psychic?

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Is this a vision?

483
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Like, it's really hard to tell what the hell the mood is in these different worlds and

484
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to patch it all together.

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I thought it was a little manic in that regard.

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Written by the director also.

487
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Yeah.

488
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And then we get to see Nick Cage in a banana hammock.

489
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Man, and it's awesome.

490
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It's just what I pictured, which is a lot of like my body with Nicolas Cage's face.

491
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I make this happen all the time.

492
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You make it the opposite direction where it's Nicolas Cage's body and my face.

493
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I just want this to be shared for anyone who's not on Reddit.

494
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Peter, please describe how I was described in the last City of Angels poster.

495
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Oh, fuck.

496
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What was what was the exact the exact quote was?

497
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,400
We need to just give a shout out to whatever user it was.

498
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Hang on.

499
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Yeah, we'll find it.

500
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,600
And also, Nick, this is where the comments are, apparently.

501
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,560
Yeah, Reddit is where the comments are.

502
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,440
I was going to ask how do fans reach out to you?

503
00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,440
Yeah.

504
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,240
So Reddit would be the primary way that people could interact with us.

505
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,460
And it's just a cage match pod.

506
00:22:04,460 --> 00:22:08,840
We also do try and make our Patreon have some interesting shit on there.

507
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:14,640
I try and throw little clips and goofs and previews into that.

508
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,200
And that's patreon.com slash cage match.

509
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:24,080
So on Reddit, we had posted about our previous episode, which was City of Angels against

510
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Kiss of Death.

511
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So I ended up doing a Photoshop job of City of Angels, which is like a really hokey.

512
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Oh, it's so good.

513
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,240
It's like holding and kissing.

514
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,560
It's very, very sweet and precious.

515
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,240
One of my ex wife's favorite films.

516
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,240
Oh, interesting.

517
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,240
Yeah.

518
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:44,320
It's why you're not married anymore because this is our favorite film.

519
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,800
So in this particular Photoshop job, Nick ended up as Nick Cage and Sean ended up as

520
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:57,880
Meg Ryan and Reddit user heartsplayer721 commented, makes Meg Ryan look like a blonde Robert Downey

521
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,880
Jr.

522
00:22:58,880 --> 00:22:59,880
I'll take it.

523
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,320
That is going on my dating profile.

524
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,080
You look charming in this picture.

525
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,600
I look charming everywhere motherfucker.

526
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,080
It's only when I open my mouth that things kind of get sketchy.

527
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,480
We now know that you look good with tits and blonde hair though.

528
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,480
All right.

529
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,480
Oh, what were we talking about?

530
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,480
Oh yeah, this movie.

531
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,480
It ends weird.

532
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,920
Nick Cage loses his shit.

533
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,760
Julie shows up with Billy's boyfriend.

534
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,680
Julie gets shot, has a tussle with Mary's spirit.

535
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,280
Billy comes back.

536
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,280
They leave.

537
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,280
Everyone else dies.

538
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,280
Yup.

539
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,760
They're just desperate to do a David Lynch homage at the end with Wally's sound and

540
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,120
tragedy and it's just clunky as hell.

541
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:37,120
Like his death.

542
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:38,640
Can we just talk about that a little bit?

543
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,640
Like what the fuck?

544
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,640
Oh, that's right.

545
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,640
He lights himself on fire.

546
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,640
And smokes a cigarette.

547
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:43,640
And then puts a cigarette on himself.

548
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:51,040
I'm pretty sure if I lit myself on fire, even if I was really resolved to do that, I'm almost

549
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:56,280
positive that the second I was on fire I would be screaming my fucking ass off.

550
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,280
He might have been suffering from some real like disassociative stuff at that point because

551
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,480
he was pretty fucking ganked out.

552
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,320
Yeah, he was pretty weird in that scene.

553
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,680
I just, I like you.

554
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,400
He was half in the... he was between worlds himself.

555
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:16,520
I do like... that's when he should have cracked his sparkle letter.

556
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:25,160
I do like the whole sequence of picks up gas can, pours it on himself, lights cigarette,

557
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:30,640
is on fire, takes one drag, then puts the cigarette on himself.

558
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,680
As if he just needs to hurt that little bit more.

559
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,120
And you could see the flame.

560
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:35,720
You could see the cigarette going.

561
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:41,240
It wasn't it wasn't in any way overshadowed by the giant flames engulfing his body from

562
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,240
the gasoline.

563
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,640
You could see the little cigarette burn going into his heart.

564
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,560
It was a new unique flame.

565
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,200
And then there is this second ending.

566
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,200
That's right.

567
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,200
You saw that coming.

568
00:24:53,200 --> 00:25:01,080
Where, yeah, where a young Joe takes a shotgun while his dad is yelling at his mom and points

569
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:07,840
the gun at his dad and his dad's like, finally stand up for yourself and then credits.

570
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,720
It seems weird to add that at the very end.

571
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,720
It's like, okay, the movie's over.

572
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,080
It's exactly right for this film.

573
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,080
It made no sense.

574
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,080
It didn't fit at all.

575
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,080
It's perfect for this movie.

576
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,080
Yeah.

577
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,840
For this one, there was there were no fun facts I could find by like Google, but I

578
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,400
did find the most amazing user reviews.

579
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,000
And I want to read just a couple to you.

580
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,720
One of those rare Nicolas Cage movies, when he comes to play, what makes watching him

581
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,240
feel like work?

582
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,760
If you saw Mandy and wished more Nicolas Cage movies were dark, weird, and personal, watch

583
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,840
Between Worlds and be careful what you wish for.

584
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,280
Cage makes four of these a year and usually two of them are good, so Between Worlds isn't

585
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,240
one of the good ones.

586
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:55,600
So my quote is when he first meets Julie and she asks him to be as a family, he pulls out

587
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:02,240
a picture of his wife and daughter and he goes, wife and daughter, you like whoops,

588
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,800
they're dead.

589
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:05,800
You know, I don't have a quote.

590
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:12,480
I just have the image of Joe getting sprayed by a garden hose while he's doing the Captain

591
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,200
Morgan leg step in the air.

592
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,200
So profound.

593
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,000
Yeah, all over a motorcycle like washing a motorcycle.

594
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,560
Like everybody has to be on top of it to do it.

595
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,560
I just want to shout out that I think a lot of the sex scenes were really inspired by

596
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,000
showgirls.

597
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,960
The way that Billy is throwing herself around on Nick Cage's lap feels very reminiscent

598
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,160
of the pool sex scene and showgirls.

599
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,200
You know, and that might be a subtle David Lynch homage.

600
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,200
That's true.

601
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,200
Yeah.

602
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:52,720
I'm wondering if Nick Cage has like a contract bump like a significant contract bump for

603
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,920
sex scenes where he's fully disrobed because in his more recent movies that we've seen

604
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,560
him have sex scenes in now, there's always and I'm really just referring to Drive Angry

605
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:09,320
in this, there's clothing like he had the banana hammock on or in Drive Angry he still

606
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,320
had pants on.

607
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,320
I don't think he's willing to take his pants off and do the old bump and grind.

608
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,520
No, I don't think he's willing to take his pants off in general.

609
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,520
I mean, he took his pants off for this and we saw the banana hammock.

610
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,520
And two of you angels.

611
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,520
Now, again, stunt dick.

612
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,520
Stunt butt too.

613
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,520
A butt and a dick are different.

614
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,520
A butt and a dick are different.

615
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,520
I understand that.

616
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,520
Wait, what?

617
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,520
How?

618
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,520
A butt is not a dick twin.

619
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,520
Alright, I do have a quote for this.

620
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,520
Oh, okay.

621
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,520
Sorry, Peter.

622
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:47,240
So at one point, Julie comes in and is like, so do you want a beer?

623
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,520
And his response was, does the tin man have a sheet metal cock?

624
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,520
That's right, I forgot about that one.

625
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,520
Classic.

626
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,520
Gary.

627
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:02,080
Earlier you talked about the whole film being manic and disjointed.

628
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,080
Also shout out mental illness.

629
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,080
Shout out mental illness.

630
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,080
That's right.

631
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,520
If you've got mental health problems.

632
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,320
That's the other connection of these two films.

633
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,640
Just find yourself a lady who talks to ghosts.

634
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,000
Now you have to have interdimensional sex.

635
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,640
But I think both of these films, at first I had no idea why these two films were put

636
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,640
together in this.

637
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,640
Random chance.

638
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,880
Okay, well, let's pretend you made an intentional choice.

639
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,360
We will pretend that we did.

640
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,920
Because I do feel that both films have this in common.

641
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,880
Maybe as a complete Nicolas Cage amateur, maybe this is a broader theme here.

642
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,040
But the movies as a whole, both of them, I think really embodied this thing about Nicolas

643
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:50,600
Cage of there being this question of is he doing something that's just trash or is he

644
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:56,120
creating something that's really interesting, meaningful, interesting art?

645
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:02,920
And his acting style is pretty wild out there, manic, disjointed, however you want to call

646
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,920
it.

647
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,760
Both of these films are that as well.

648
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:12,480
I think the difference is that Between Worlds doesn't do it very successfully, I would argue.

649
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,920
And I think Vampire's Kiss nails it.

650
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:21,720
I think that the way that Vampire's Kiss is fucking crazy is really genius.

651
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,960
Well this was something I actually wanted to talk about this week and start doing is

652
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:31,040
where do we put this on the bad actor, bad movie, good actor, good movie spectrum for

653
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,040
Nick Cage?

654
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,880
Is this good acting in a bad movie?

655
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,440
Is it bad acting in a bad movie?

656
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,440
Where would you put this?

657
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,960
You've seen the Venn diagram of this, right?

658
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:39,960
Yeah.

659
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,160
I think, you know, I thought he was alright in this up until the end.

660
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,160
I wouldn't say his performance was bad.

661
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,240
He put the work in.

662
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,640
I wouldn't say it's like a top 50% for him.

663
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,080
I think he said, of course not.

664
00:29:54,080 --> 00:30:00,760
Honestly I disliked the story so much, the film from like a director and writing standpoint

665
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,320
so much that I would say it's great acting on his part because he actually made it a

666
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,640
little bit watchable for me, honestly.

667
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,920
Because I just thought the whole thing was horrendous and aesthetically speaking, what

668
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:18,680
you were saying Roxanne, I think the 30 years that separate these films from 88 to 2018,

669
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,400
just the general aesthetic of the two was so stark.

670
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:27,160
I think all the warmth and the color, the texture, watching Vampire's Kiss to me visually

671
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,120
is so interesting and this was grotesque.

672
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,680
I just loved the aesthetic of Vampire's Kiss so much more.

673
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:42,000
I was trying to do a lot of the watching for these around a trip to Las Vegas and so some

674
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,040
of it happened to be just like I was watching movies on airplanes.

675
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,840
Oh, that's perfect for this film.

676
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,840
I had watched Between Worlds beforehand and I was like, oh okay, I shouldn't watch Between

677
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,760
Worlds again on the flight.

678
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,760
You should not watch that movie in a public place.

679
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,240
I know there's going to be a lot of boobs and stuff like that and I don't want to have

680
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,240
to absurd as funny.

681
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,240
Actually surprisingly few boobs.

682
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,240
They're usually covered up.

683
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,240
There's a lot of side notes.

684
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,120
There's very little nipple but there's a lot of boobs.

685
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,760
I think that's breaking the fifth wall because then you're watching that scene where they're

686
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:16,800
doing the unconsensual kinky sex act on a plane, unconsensually showing that act to

687
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,000
your seat mates.

688
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,080
That's gangster.

689
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,400
Which is double negative so totally consensual.

690
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,400
I grew up in San Francisco.

691
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,400
That's how this works.

692
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,400
Yes.

693
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,080
Well, I ended up watching Vampire's Kiss and then the flight attendant showed up as

694
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,240
soon as the first top came off so I had that experience.

695
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,760
I don't like try to cover my laptop.

696
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,760
I'm embarrassed for myself now.

697
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,760
Did you really put your hands in front of it?

698
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,760
Oh, that's perfect.

699
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,760
I was just like, don't look at it.

700
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,760
Don't look at my shing.

701
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:43,760
I closed it with the volume switched from my headphones to the computer.

702
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,760
You know the only thing that would make that story better?

703
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:45,760
I just want a sparkling water please.

704
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:46,760
The only thing that would make that story better, flight attendant walked up behind you with

705
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,760
Hayden and just stood there for a while.

706
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,760
I was like, I'm sorry.

707
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:49,760
I'm sorry.

708
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,760
I'm sorry.

709
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,760
I'm sorry.

710
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,760
I'm sorry.

711
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,760
I'm sorry.

712
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,760
I'm sorry.

713
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,760
I'm sorry.

714
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:56,760
I'm sorry.

715
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,760
I'm sorry.

716
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:58,760
I'm sorry.

717
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,280
The only thing that would make that story better, flight attendant walked up behind you with

718
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,280
Hayden and just stood there for a while.

719
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,280
No, that would've been fine.

720
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,880
I would have turned the volume up then.

721
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,500
I did get a guy as soon as I shut it and she left, the guy across the aisle for me was

722
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:14,400
like, hey man, I really like that you're watching that movie.

723
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,760
That's one of my favorite movies.

724
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,080
Was it Nicholas Cage?

725
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,080
No.

726
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,080
No.

727
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,580
He's a guy from Portland.

728
00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:25,120
Shout out to guy from Portland who works for Seattle Lighting.

729
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,920
Did you tell him about our podcast?

730
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:27,920
I did.

731
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,620
Check it out. So if you listen, thanks, buddy.

732
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:33,740
Cool. Vampires kiss.

733
00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:35,080
Nailed it.

734
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,540
That's the best one today.

735
00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:38,880
I always do the landing.

736
00:32:39,340 --> 00:32:39,720
All right.

737
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,720
So this is why you guys wanted to be on this podcast.

738
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,340
So why don't you sell us vampires kiss real quick?

739
00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:46,780
What's this film about?

740
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,020
What isn't this film about, really?

741
00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:52,420
I agree. It's mythic in proportion.

742
00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:55,080
So, OK, we talked about a second ending for Between Worlds.

743
00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:00,460
I thought the second ending of this film was also extremely meaningful and poignant.

744
00:33:00,460 --> 00:33:01,620
Straight to the ending.

745
00:33:01,620 --> 00:33:03,320
Well, this is what I like.

746
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,120
Well, it's actually it's the beginning.

747
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,960
The beginning of the ending, they form a circle because we're talking about vampires and eternity.

748
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,960
It's all there. It's really beautiful.

749
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,720
I thought this film was really powerful.

750
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,520
Really stoked to be talking about it.

751
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,160
Yeah, I think it's about New York City.

752
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,720
I think it's about U.S. America.

753
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,360
I think it's about capitalism.

754
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,580
It's about race. It's about so many different things.

755
00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:28,880
I think that the the monster motif is so it's such a powerful container and you can put so much into it.

756
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,820
I think that's why we're just going to see for as long as we live monster movies.

757
00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:36,560
You're going to see the zombies and the ghosts and the vampires are never going away

758
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,680
because they point in almost any direction you want them to go.

759
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:46,120
And I thought this film in particular, they used the vampire just exquisitely,

760
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,880
like really, really well done.

761
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,420
Yeah, I agree.

762
00:33:49,420 --> 00:33:53,480
So for context, Gary and I came to this film in the month of October

763
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:59,480
when the Criterion Channel was running a series of vampire movies.

764
00:33:59,980 --> 00:34:03,280
And so we watched a bunch of vampire films all in a row.

765
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:09,380
I'm sure maybe some of the people listening to this are much better acquainted with vampire stuff than me.

766
00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:10,680
And me too.

767
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,680
I was not me.

768
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,320
We're vampire noobs.

769
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,520
Haven't seen Twilight.

770
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,520
But we geeked out, we watched a bunch.

771
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,220
We went hard on vampires for a minute.

772
00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:25,620
So if somebody wants to make a sex joke, feel free.

773
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:31,020
And something I learned as we did this was that there's roughly two categories of vampire films.

774
00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:38,980
There's vampires who are out to feed or vampires who are ready to lay down their eternal burden and die.

775
00:34:38,980 --> 00:34:45,080
And this movie is kind of neither, which really makes it stand out in the vampire canon.

776
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,080
And I think, yeah, so some really interesting things.

777
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:56,080
Basically, Nick Cage's character in this film starts out as a normal human who is kind of hoity toity.

778
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,980
He works at a... what are you laughing at?

779
00:34:57,980 --> 00:35:02,180
Well, normal if you call a sadistic capitalist normal, yes.

780
00:35:02,180 --> 00:35:04,180
Well, which it is.

781
00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:06,180
Just if I can interject real quick.

782
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:08,680
Nicolas Cage plays Peter Lowe.

783
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,480
Maria Conchita Alonso plays Alva.

784
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,980
Jennifer Beals is Rachel.

785
00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:14,780
Elizabeth Ashley is Dr. Glaser.

786
00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:23,080
So Nicolas Cage's character is a... works at a fancy literary, like a publishing agency in New York City.

787
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:30,880
He's desperately, it seems, searching for love, connection, sex, something.

788
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:38,880
We don't really exactly know, but he's after women in bars and looking to fill something in his life.

789
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,280
And meaning. He's in Jungian analysis.

790
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,880
Yeah, he has a therapist and...

791
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,080
An analyst.

792
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,480
That's correct. An analyst.

793
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,780
Up in a high tower in Manhattan.

794
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:53,080
So he's not in a happy place.

795
00:35:53,080 --> 00:36:00,980
And one of the women that he takes home turns out to be a vampire who bites him and continues to feed on him.

796
00:36:00,980 --> 00:36:03,580
With the lamest pickup line of all time.

797
00:36:03,580 --> 00:36:07,380
He leans over his shoulder and says, I like your earrings.

798
00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:11,580
It always works.

799
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:16,480
Yeah, juxtaposed against his pickup line later in the movie.

800
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,880
He just gives her that solid look.

801
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,280
Takes a chomp.

802
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,680
We'll talk about those teeth later.

803
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,980
More physical jokes for all the people out there on our audio podcast.

804
00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:31,980
Yeah, that's Nick's new thing.

805
00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:33,280
Really big on this.

806
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,580
It's very avant-garde, Dick. I love it.

807
00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:37,080
I think Nick Cage will be proud of it.

808
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,980
I just discovered visual comedy recently and I'm trying to share it with people.

809
00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:44,580
I think it's going to be a big craze.

810
00:36:44,580 --> 00:36:49,480
So Rachel, the vampire who he meets and bites him.

811
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,880
Does she?

812
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,180
I mean, this is really what this movie comes down to me.

813
00:36:54,180 --> 00:36:56,480
Does he think he's becoming a vampire?

814
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,780
Or is this just a guy in the city who becomes the raving lunatic on the corner?

815
00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:08,280
Oh, you know, if she doesn't bite him and he actually is just becoming more and more himself

816
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:16,780
as the picture of like an unhinged white male American hero capitalist publishing Wall Street guy.

817
00:37:16,780 --> 00:37:19,380
I mean, that's even more terrifying than a vampire.

818
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:22,180
I mean, that's what this movie is about.

819
00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:26,080
After his first night with Rachel, he goes to shave and he's like humming to himself in the morning

820
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,380
and he cuts himself shaving.

821
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:32,480
That's when he first see the bandaid after she bit him.

822
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,980
And then he goes into his bedroom with the coffee and he hands it to him and he just starts shaking.

823
00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:39,580
Right, because there's nobody there.

824
00:37:39,580 --> 00:37:43,780
That's a brilliant insight because they break one of the rules of vampire films.

825
00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:48,580
If he is a vampire, which is that she keeps feeding on him after he thinks he's a vampire,

826
00:37:48,580 --> 00:37:50,380
which that's no, that's a no-go.

827
00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:52,780
You can't, vampires don't feed on each other.

828
00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:56,680
There's all sorts of levels for how to turn somebody.

829
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:02,780
Usually in my experience, there's an exchange where it would be like the vampire feeds, drains,

830
00:38:02,780 --> 00:38:07,280
and then replenishes with their own tainted blood, which we never see.

831
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:15,580
So like a lot of times, like the familiar or whatever the thrall of the vampire would be used just for feeding

832
00:38:15,580 --> 00:38:19,080
and then they would get like they wouldn't be drained and then replenished,

833
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,780
but they would get like a taste of it.

834
00:38:20,780 --> 00:38:24,580
And that's how like Renfield and whatnot would have his powers.

835
00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:35,980
It's a boon given through the blood, usually to turn somebody in my experience of vampires.

836
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:36,780
Turning people.

837
00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:37,180
Yeah.

838
00:38:37,180 --> 00:38:40,880
Peter, have you ever seen Nick in daylight?

839
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,480
Not once.

840
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,980
Interesting.

841
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:46,680
I do always wait for you to invite me into the house, too.

842
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,680
Fuck he does!

843
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,680
Yeah.

844
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:49,180
Shit.

845
00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:52,280
It's not the locked door at all.

846
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,180
What I'm thinking about right now is like I feel like I invited myself onto this podcast to sound smart.

847
00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:59,880
Now I feel very dumb because I feel like I missed the whole point.

848
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,580
But also that's wonderful because you know, it's right there in the title, Vampire's Kiss.

849
00:39:04,580 --> 00:39:06,980
Like he maybe he doesn't get bitten.

850
00:39:06,980 --> 00:39:10,180
He gets just the kiss and everything is just in his mind.

851
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:11,780
Let's break these things down.

852
00:39:11,780 --> 00:39:14,180
It certainly tracks when he runs into her later, too.

853
00:39:14,180 --> 00:39:14,380
Yeah.

854
00:39:14,380 --> 00:39:18,480
No, like let's break this down because so he meets Rachel at a bar, takes her home.

855
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,080
Also hang on.

856
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:19,880
I got to talk.

857
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,580
Did you notice that it was David Hyde Pierce at the bar?

858
00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:23,180
Yes.

859
00:39:23,180 --> 00:39:23,880
I'm Josie.

860
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,380
Call that right away.

861
00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:31,880
She was like, yeah, David Hyde Pierce and Ben Stiller's sister are having a chat at the bar before he goes and hits on.

862
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,580
I did not catch Ben Stiller's sister, but I didn't dig into the credits on that one.

863
00:39:36,580 --> 00:39:38,380
I would have recognized her.

864
00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:43,580
So the movie starts with him in therapy talking about how he brought this woman home.

865
00:39:43,580 --> 00:39:45,480
He was like really into her.

866
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,680
But immediately was just the next day was like, get out.

867
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,080
Meets Rachel.

868
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:50,780
They go home.

869
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:52,680
She gets she gets the chompin.

870
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,280
But then like the very next scene is him giving her coffee in the morning, but she's not there.

871
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,580
And that's when he starts to get a little weird.

872
00:39:58,580 --> 00:40:09,580
And then she starts appearing in his office, like in his bedroom when he's supposed to go meet the woman he's dating at the beginning of the film, but he doesn't leave his apartment because Rachel doesn't want him to.

873
00:40:09,580 --> 00:40:13,580
We you know, we keep seeing Rachel over and over again and she has the fangs.

874
00:40:13,580 --> 00:40:15,980
And then at the end of the film, she's got the good thing.

875
00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:23,180
And at the end of the film when he's after he's done a bitey murder, he sees Rachel again and she's mocking him because you know, they're nothing alike.

876
00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:31,580
And his imaginary vampire girlfriend has an imaginary boyfriend and then he goes and confronts her on the dance floor.

877
00:40:31,580 --> 00:40:40,180
Also, shout out all the vampire movies have industrial clubs, industrial dance clubs, goes and grabs her on the dance floor.

878
00:40:40,180 --> 00:40:41,080
And he's like, remember me?

879
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,880
And she's like, oh, yeah, you're Rob Lowe.

880
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,080
No, Peter Lowe.

881
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,680
Peter Lowe.

882
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,580
It's like, oh, you're Peter, right?

883
00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:50,580
Yeah, we met.

884
00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:52,080
And he's like, you break up with me.

885
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,280
And like she has no idea who he is.

886
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,980
Like this has all been like an affectation of his mind.

887
00:40:57,980 --> 00:41:00,080
Like I grew up in San Francisco.

888
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,580
There are weird people in San Francisco.

889
00:41:01,580 --> 00:41:05,080
And you always wonder how someone gets to like screaming on the street corner.

890
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:10,880
And this whole second second half of this movie for me was just that's where that guy started.

891
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,180
The first act of this film.

892
00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:13,780
I'm like, this needs to stop.

893
00:41:13,780 --> 00:41:14,780
I did not enjoy it.

894
00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:20,280
As soon as that idea clicked from him, like, oh, this is this is heart wrenching.

895
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,180
This is this is this is amazing.

896
00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:23,280
Yeah, truly.

897
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,380
And I think something that's important, too, is the way that it shows not only how the guy ends up like that on the street corner,

898
00:41:29,380 --> 00:41:40,780
but it connects that lunatic on the street corner to the guy in the office who's harassing his workers, who's tormenting his secretary, all that.

899
00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:50,580
His most vampiric act in the whole film is what he does with all the I mean, when he hangs up late, when he hangs up the phone with the guy who's like, oh, it's totally chill.

900
00:41:50,580 --> 00:41:51,380
Don't worry about it.

901
00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:52,280
I don't even need that.

902
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,680
It's it's a memento.

903
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,580
Yeah, that's what I was looking for is a meaningless memento.

904
00:41:56,580 --> 00:42:00,680
And then she's desperate to be relieved of this responsibility.

905
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,080
And he goes berserk on her.

906
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,480
It was so brutal.

907
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:09,980
I love the dynamic of Peter as a boss in quotes in this situation.

908
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:17,280
To me, he comes across as such a low level executive in this movie.

909
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:30,380
I think the stress leads him to over project a lot and kind of make these power plays in like a mental capacity against his secretary,

910
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:34,080
because she's the only one that he really has any control or any power.

911
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:44,180
That's like the limit of his control, even when he's talking to the other executives after he confronts Alva in the restroom.

912
00:42:44,180 --> 00:42:45,680
Yeah, when he chases her in the bathroom.

913
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:53,580
To that point, one of the things I read about this film is the affectation of his voice that very mid Atlantic.

914
00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:54,580
So British.

915
00:42:54,580 --> 00:43:01,780
I read that he was sort of modeling himself after his father and the styling of Americans who want to sound fancier than they are.

916
00:43:01,780 --> 00:43:05,680
Okay, yeah, I like the drum right and run for president about it.

917
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:12,280
That is called the transatlantic accent that came about in the late 1800s, 1900s.

918
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:23,180
And it was a way of people in the East Coast, specifically kind of affecting a semi British, semi American completely its own thing.

919
00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:25,380
Yeah, we're back to being a history podcast.

920
00:43:25,380 --> 00:43:26,080
Fuck yeah.

921
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,080
The whole dialect podcast.

922
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,380
The whole aspect is that of Peter's it's not Nicholas Cage's performance.

923
00:43:33,380 --> 00:43:38,380
The character of Peter wants people to think he's a bit of an aristocrat and smarter than he actually is.

924
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:42,080
So he puts on that performance and it goes in and out.

925
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,080
Yeah, his accent so inconsistent.

926
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,280
Maybe that works well in totally.

927
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,180
It further is the point that he's he's a phony.

928
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:55,280
I mean, to the to the point you were making Nick about his power over Alva.

929
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:01,680
It like it almost makes a fool of him like, oh, look who he has power over in this society.

930
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,780
Someone who has very, very little power and one dress.

931
00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:08,880
One one tablecloth.

932
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,180
She lives with her mother and her brother and they live in the birds.

933
00:44:14,180 --> 00:44:15,380
Yeah, exactly.

934
00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:17,280
Right. And that's his kingdom.

935
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,080
My boss chased me into the bathroom the other day.

936
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:26,080
I think my boss is going to like hurt me or rape me and everyone's just like get to fucking work.

937
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,180
Well, you know, you got to work.

938
00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:30,180
That's the capitalism side of it all.

939
00:44:30,180 --> 00:44:34,680
Which is going back to your old thing about this being like the true vampire.

940
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:35,880
Yeah, I think so.

941
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,280
That's exactly what what he says.

942
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,580
What Joe says.

943
00:44:39,580 --> 00:44:42,880
Tucker Joe, you got to work.

944
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,180
It all comes together.

945
00:44:44,180 --> 00:44:46,280
Truly. I thought the opening scene was really.

946
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,580
We're now bootstraps podcast.

947
00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:53,080
Grab them. Let's go.

948
00:44:53,080 --> 00:45:00,180
But I really liked the opening scene that the first visual that you get is of a long canyon of New York City streets.

949
00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:04,380
And all of the brake lights are on and all the lights are red.

950
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:10,680
And so you're seeing like the red arterial veins of the city and they've got the blood in them.

951
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,980
I thought that was really deft and comparing that to the heavy handedness of between worlds.

952
00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:19,180
It's like they just show it to you for a second and then they're like into the story.

953
00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:20,980
And there's so much of that.

954
00:45:20,980 --> 00:45:24,780
Like, yeah, even just missing that point that he never really does get bit.

955
00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:27,680
Like there's there's just so much to sort through in this film.

956
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,780
Because I think we only see his neck one time as big.

957
00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:33,080
And that's when he imagines Rachel is going to bite him.

958
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,080
Yeah. When he takes it off her Rachel to bite him again.

959
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,980
One point, I thought the bandage changed sides.

960
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:40,580
Well, there's a lot of mirrors. There's a lot of mirrors.

961
00:45:40,580 --> 00:45:45,980
He's like and to the mirror stuff, he starts not being able to see his own reflection that we can.

962
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:49,480
And that's right. An issue. Where am I?

963
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,880
Where am I? You're in the bathroom.

964
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,880
Trying to take a dump.

965
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:59,580
This movie at the hour mark gets to be one of his best movies ever.

966
00:45:59,580 --> 00:46:02,180
The movie is good from the opening shot.

967
00:46:02,180 --> 00:46:07,680
What Gary's talking about with those establishing shots in the beginning.

968
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,580
I loved the score of this movie.

969
00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:13,180
The score of this was so well done.

970
00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:17,880
Truly. But then when you add that to these opening shots,

971
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,680
like it's all like dawn or dusk.

972
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:27,580
There's a tension built into the way it's shot that I think really carries into the movie.

973
00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:30,780
And it adds a lot of uneasiness.

974
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:36,480
I mean, certainly on a subsequent watching, you can look out for all these little things.

975
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:42,180
But my initial journey through this film was there is not a through line here

976
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:46,480
until there is and it's a hard shift, but it's so good.

977
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,080
When was that moment for you?

978
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,980
It's at the very specific line.

979
00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:52,280
Tell him I'm in a meeting.

980
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,580
Well, what if I'm in a meeting?

981
00:46:56,580 --> 00:46:59,680
No, it's when Alba finally finds the contract.

982
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,580
She comes into his office and he loses it.

983
00:47:04,580 --> 00:47:07,780
Like Rachel's sucking on his neck and he opens the door.

984
00:47:07,780 --> 00:47:10,580
She's like, I found it. He's like, it's too late, Alpha.

985
00:47:10,580 --> 00:47:12,980
But no, it's not too late.

986
00:47:12,980 --> 00:47:14,880
Too late, too late.

987
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,080
He starts chasing her down the stairs through the building, like in the sub basement.

988
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,680
It is such a good American Psycho chase.

989
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:22,580
Yeah, absolutely.

990
00:47:22,580 --> 00:47:25,480
There's a lot of parallels to be drawn from that.

991
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,080
But he chases her down in the basement.

992
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,480
She has a gun.

993
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,280
It's got blanks in it that she got from her brother and he's confronting her there.

994
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,880
And at this point, he's just like he's convinced he's a vampire.

995
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,880
He can't see his reflection anymore.

996
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,480
And he's telling her to shoot him and she keeps shooting him on the floor

997
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,580
because she can't shoot him.

998
00:47:41,580 --> 00:47:44,080
It's like, no, shoot me, shoot me.

999
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,980
And he attacks her and there's a sexual assault.

1000
00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:51,080
I mean, the ultimate vampiric act.

1001
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,780
And then they read it large.

1002
00:47:52,780 --> 00:47:56,580
Usually it's just alluded to the sucking on the neck is alluding to rape.

1003
00:47:56,580 --> 00:48:00,480
It's alluding to sexual assault and Peter Lowe does it all to your point.

1004
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,080
And it's like he's a vampire as just a regular ass dude.

1005
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:09,180
So like, you know, that's when the whole plot with him losing his mind

1006
00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:10,880
and the whole out him just being a dick.

1007
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,780
All about all things like kind of coalesce and goes directly into him

1008
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,580
running down the street going, I'm a vampire.

1009
00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:21,180
I'm a vampire. I'm a vampire.

1010
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:23,880
And that's when the movie clicked for me because I'm like, I grew up in a big city.

1011
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,280
Like, I've definitely seen someone running down the street,

1012
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:31,180
street screaming something that insane took you that long to get into that.

1013
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:32,980
They did. I mean, that's OK.

1014
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:35,480
I mean, as I'm just watching the first hour of the film, like,

1015
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,080
what is this movie trying to be?

1016
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,580
And it wasn't until then that I realized, oh, this is a dissection of how capitalism,

1017
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:48,180
the big city and just all that weighing pressure leads to a mental breakdown.

1018
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,280
Wants to be seen as this big executive.

1019
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,180
He has a shitty apartment.

1020
00:48:53,180 --> 00:48:56,880
That was one thing I noticed about everything he presents himself as.

1021
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,580
And then like from the very beginning, you see how terrible his apartment is.

1022
00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:03,680
Like he's got a really small, really narrow kitchen.

1023
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,880
He with gross ass stove roaches.

1024
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaking of the kitchen, when he comes out of it with the coffee,

1025
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,780
he hums a Stravinsky tune, correct, Roxanne?

1026
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:15,880
And isn't that when Nick Cage cost the film like ten thousand dollars?

1027
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,080
Correct. Yeah.

1028
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,280
Oh, my God. I did not.

1029
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,180
I ran out of money by the end of the film.

1030
00:49:20,180 --> 00:49:21,880
That's amazing.

1031
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,780
Well, let's talk about some PETA stuff now, then, right?

1032
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:27,780
Oh, yeah, he got in trouble for the.

1033
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:29,880
Let's talk about that. He ate a bug. He ate a roach.

1034
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,380
Water bug. Water bug.

1035
00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:32,980
But yes, he ate two.

1036
00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:35,280
He actually takes some of the panache out of it

1037
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,180
because a cockroach would be way gross.

1038
00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:38,780
No, no. Water bugs are bigger.

1039
00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:41,580
Yeah. But the cockroach has the meaty insides.

1040
00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:43,280
Water bugs. They're they're spongy.

1041
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,480
They're just made of water. I've eaten both. Trust me.

1042
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:47,980
Either way, this was water bugs.

1043
00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:49,780
If you're watching your calories.

1044
00:49:49,780 --> 00:49:51,980
Exactly. The caloric density.

1045
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:53,980
Yeah. This wasn't in the script.

1046
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:57,280
He thought this would be a good thing because it harkened back to Dracula.

1047
00:49:57,380 --> 00:49:59,980
And he's like, oh, this is what, you know, someone would do.

1048
00:49:59,980 --> 00:50:02,180
So it was his idea. He immediately regretted it.

1049
00:50:02,180 --> 00:50:04,780
And what I read is they took three takes to get it done.

1050
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,780
And he said everything inside of him was telling him not to do it as he was doing.

1051
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,880
You could tell, like in his face when he's chewing it,

1052
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,980
because they give you such a direct shot.

1053
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,080
It's like he's counting dollar bills.

1054
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:22,380
As if he like chooses, oh, OK, they're going to seven, eight, ten million dollars.

1055
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:25,680
There's no way he made $10 million for this.

1056
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,980
No, but in his own head, he probably could have hoped for that.

1057
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:34,080
That said, from what I read, it seemed like he really, really wanted this part

1058
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,480
and really, really loved this part and really, really loves this part.

1059
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,080
He said as recently as a few years ago that this was his favorite movie.

1060
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,280
Yeah, 2018. He said this was his favorite performance.

1061
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,180
While he was shooting between, no, while Between Worlds was out.

1062
00:50:47,180 --> 00:50:48,080
He was digging this one.

1063
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,680
This was like a GQ interview.

1064
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,480
When he smashes up his apartment, that was all done in one shot

1065
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,080
because it was all like real furniture.

1066
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,880
None of it was stage furniture.

1067
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,780
Yeah, there's a lot of cameras and let him go to town.

1068
00:50:59,980 --> 00:51:02,980
I always get excited at a good smash.

1069
00:51:02,980 --> 00:51:06,580
Yeah, because I want to do that someday.

1070
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:09,380
I want to just like be able to go into a room and be like,

1071
00:51:09,580 --> 00:51:13,780
I'm going to destroy everything and I'm going to destroy that in the weirdest way.

1072
00:51:13,780 --> 00:51:14,780
Does that not exist?

1073
00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:16,480
Like, what's with this escape room bullshit?

1074
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,780
I don't need a problem.

1075
00:51:17,780 --> 00:51:19,580
I want something to destroy.

1076
00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:20,580
There are smash rooms.

1077
00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:21,780
There are smash. Oh, good.

1078
00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:23,780
I'm glad this problem has been solved.

1079
00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:28,280
Going back to him being a non-union trucker in the first film,

1080
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:29,880
this was a non-union film.

1081
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,380
That opening scene where he's trying to hail a cab with his date.

1082
00:51:34,380 --> 00:51:37,180
Apparently, they had to re-film that scene a lot because they were

1083
00:51:37,180 --> 00:51:42,380
union film workers with bullhorns and like airhorns just ruining the shot.

1084
00:51:42,380 --> 00:51:47,380
That's really apropos too, because it's almost a film commenting on itself.

1085
00:51:47,380 --> 00:51:49,280
This whole piece about capitalism.

1086
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,380
Yeah, and then being a non-union crew or production.

1087
00:51:53,380 --> 00:51:56,680
Totally. So they could push all their workers to the brink.

1088
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,180
And if they're going to exploit the imagery of truckers in the movie as they do,

1089
00:52:01,180 --> 00:52:05,380
then it's the least they could do to acknowledge the fact that the full history

1090
00:52:05,380 --> 00:52:09,280
of union busting within the trucking industry is a really devastating one

1091
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,480
and one that has meant that truckers can know most truckers no longer

1092
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,180
are able to make a living and support a family the way they were used to be.

1093
00:52:17,180 --> 00:52:19,180
Eat shit, Bezos.

1094
00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:19,880
That's right.

1095
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,180
And truck driver used to be at least in this the Northwest,

1096
00:52:24,180 --> 00:52:26,980
one of the most prolific jobs.

1097
00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:32,580
Like there were more truck drivers in the state of Oregon than any other job.

1098
00:52:32,580 --> 00:52:35,980
Now let's talk about yogurt.

1099
00:52:35,980 --> 00:52:38,780
Fuck you, Nick. I'm great at segues.

1100
00:52:38,780 --> 00:52:42,980
So who else is turned on by hot yogurt on the feet?

1101
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:45,280
Who amongst us isn't?

1102
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,080
So I like to have yogurt on the feet.

1103
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,080
According to an associate producer and casting director,

1104
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,680
Nick Cage requested hot yogurt be poured on his toes to get aroused

1105
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,780
for the sex scene with Jennifer Beals.

1106
00:52:57,780 --> 00:53:00,880
Was it necessary for him to be aroused?

1107
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,280
Yes, because he didn't like her.

1108
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,080
Apparently he thought she was not interesting.

1109
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,180
He hated that she was casted for the part.

1110
00:53:08,180 --> 00:53:11,780
Yeah, he wanted his girlfriend, Patricia Arquette, to be the role.

1111
00:53:11,780 --> 00:53:12,480
Interesting.

1112
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,880
OK, here's just the both of the women, Rachel and Jackie,

1113
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,880
the two chicks that he like picks up at bars, both African-American.

1114
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,280
Nick, I think that plays into the broader commentary that's happening.

1115
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,880
Yes, it could be part of a bigger theme.

1116
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,780
Absolutely, because Alva is also a person of color.

1117
00:53:32,780 --> 00:53:40,380
So he's expressing all of this libidinal energy, all of this like really intense exchange.

1118
00:53:40,380 --> 00:53:43,780
Well, all of this predatory nature and stuff, like even just picking up chicks.

1119
00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:45,780
Except for the one the woman he kills,

1120
00:53:45,780 --> 00:53:49,380
the woman who's painted as the sort of true victim, as a white woman, blonde woman.

1121
00:53:49,380 --> 00:53:52,080
Yeah, the prize. The damsel in distress is the white woman.

1122
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,180
Well, she's the classic, like, victim.

1123
00:53:55,180 --> 00:53:56,380
Right, exactly.

1124
00:53:56,380 --> 00:54:01,180
But these other women who play these more sort of complicated roles and.

1125
00:54:01,180 --> 00:54:02,780
They're prey, they're not victims.

1126
00:54:02,780 --> 00:54:06,180
We should feel sad for the unsuspecting victim.

1127
00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:08,880
But like Alva is, you know, she should quit.

1128
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:09,980
Right.

1129
00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:14,280
All of us would be remiss if we didn't just briefly point out the whole

1130
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,980
theory that Nic Cage is actually a vampire because of that photo from the 1800s.

1131
00:54:18,980 --> 00:54:19,780
I don't know about it.

1132
00:54:19,780 --> 00:54:20,580
Have you not heard this?

1133
00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:21,080
No.

1134
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:21,880
Go on.

1135
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,580
It's the same thing with like Hiao Kian who's like a Highlander.

1136
00:54:25,580 --> 00:54:27,880
They both have serious Dorian Gray shit.

1137
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,480
Yeah, no, there's a photo.

1138
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:37,380
Someone found a photo in like 2011 from the 1800s that looks shockingly similar to Nicolas Cage.

1139
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:40,980
I mean, I feel like we're all just on repeat at some point.

1140
00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:43,580
Take a picture and we put it up in the future.

1141
00:54:43,580 --> 00:54:45,780
There's going to be another guy that looks like it.

1142
00:54:45,780 --> 00:54:48,680
I mean, there's more of a stalker who has a whole thing about like repeating faces.

1143
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,180
I'm just a skipping record.

1144
00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:55,580
Like literally every five years, I find somebody who looks exactly like me.

1145
00:54:55,580 --> 00:54:58,880
I want that photo montage.

1146
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,680
The only other fun fact I have about this film is apparently at one point Travolta and

1147
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,080
Stallone were considered for those roles.

1148
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,380
And Dennis Quaid was cast in it, actually.

1149
00:55:07,380 --> 00:55:08,580
I missed that.

1150
00:55:08,580 --> 00:55:11,580
Before there was a whole drama about casting.

1151
00:55:11,580 --> 00:55:12,580
Right.

1152
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:17,080
Yeah, because Cage had wanted it and then backed out and then it was Quaid and then

1153
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,580
Cage really wanted it back.

1154
00:55:19,580 --> 00:55:20,580
Wow, that's wild.

1155
00:55:20,580 --> 00:55:25,580
That almost makes me think like all of the epic and really like artful storytelling that

1156
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:28,080
I'm projecting onto this film is totally accidental.

1157
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,780
Like if they were really thinking of Travolta and Stallone for this, they must not have

1158
00:55:31,780 --> 00:55:33,580
been trying to do something very highbrow.

1159
00:55:33,580 --> 00:55:37,580
And I'm over here with my pinky in the air about this film.

1160
00:55:37,580 --> 00:55:38,580
This is 100% Cage.

1161
00:55:38,580 --> 00:55:40,980
Like Cage brought the gravitas to this film.

1162
00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:47,780
For me, there was such a weird experience watching this breakdown that Peter Lowe goes

1163
00:55:47,780 --> 00:55:51,880
through because the second time I watched the movie, I started to feel some empathy.

1164
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:57,380
But I really, it was really hard for me to get to feeling actually any sort of compassion

1165
00:55:57,380 --> 00:55:58,380
for this person.

1166
00:55:58,380 --> 00:56:03,380
I think the reason for that was because you're not only watching a mental breakdown, which

1167
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:09,580
is something that is this painful experience of suffering and that's very worthy of compassion,

1168
00:56:09,580 --> 00:56:16,580
but you're also watching him do it in a very particular context of corporate, patriarchal,

1169
00:56:16,580 --> 00:56:25,460
white supremacist America, where as he is spiraling out and starting to behave more

1170
00:56:25,460 --> 00:56:35,300
and more aggressively, violently in public, the people around him don't give a shit because

1171
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:37,780
his behaviors are so normalized.

1172
00:56:37,780 --> 00:56:39,780
Right, like the boardroom.

1173
00:56:39,780 --> 00:56:42,180
Oh, that scene was chilling.

1174
00:56:42,180 --> 00:56:45,180
She asked for a raise after you assaulted her.

1175
00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:46,180
What a crazy bitch.

1176
00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:49,180
Take it out of Attila's paycheck.

1177
00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:50,180
Fuck you.

1178
00:56:50,180 --> 00:56:56,380
Well, to that point, also at the end of the film, when he's fully gone, he hallucinates

1179
00:56:56,380 --> 00:57:01,420
being in the therapist's office saying this whole time he's just looking for love.

1180
00:57:01,420 --> 00:57:05,500
So the imaginary therapist sets him up with one of her patients and they're perfect for

1181
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:07,700
each other for 10 minutes.

1182
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:12,780
And then he goes, he just and as he's about to leave the imaginary therapist office, like,

1183
00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:15,900
oh, by the way, I sexually assaulted a woman.

1184
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:16,900
She's like, totally fine.

1185
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:17,900
Just a little in release.

1186
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:18,900
And I did.

1187
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:19,900
That's right.

1188
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:20,900
People are murdered in New York every day.

1189
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:21,900
But I killed him.

1190
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:22,900
I was like, no one's even called the police yet.

1191
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:23,900
What are you worried about?

1192
00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:34,900
And he completely just disassociates from everything he does, imagines the person who's in charge

1193
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:37,420
of his mental health telling him it's all fine.

1194
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:40,580
Yeah, it's quite prescient of Trump in a way.

1195
00:57:40,580 --> 00:57:41,580
This whole like, that's right.

1196
00:57:41,580 --> 00:57:46,060
You just break the law in public and you you brag about it.

1197
00:57:46,060 --> 00:57:48,180
And then everyone's like, oh, no big deal.

1198
00:57:48,180 --> 00:57:50,700
It's just a little bit of treason with the Russians.

1199
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:51,700
Right.

1200
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:56,180
One thing that really stood out to me and I really appreciated from kind of a filmmaking

1201
00:57:56,180 --> 00:58:02,620
perspective is just how much this like cribs and tributes like classic monster movies.

1202
00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:07,580
This is one of the most like quotable and memeable Nick Cage movies of all time, like

1203
00:58:07,580 --> 00:58:08,900
any other like crazy faces.

1204
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:13,380
It's either from this or from Wicker Man or Face Off.

1205
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:18,460
So much of that is sort of inspired by like old dark German style.

1206
00:58:18,460 --> 00:58:19,460
Oh, yeah.

1207
00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:24,300
Like everything has to be these exaggerated monster moves and claws creeping across a

1208
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:25,300
bed.

1209
00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:26,300
All that kind of stuff.

1210
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:27,300
Bulging eyes.

1211
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:32,540
When he was at the club, it was just straight Nosferatu movements and like bodies.

1212
00:58:32,540 --> 00:58:33,540
Osture.

1213
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:38,980
So I watched this great interview with Nicolas Cage talking about just this because he grew

1214
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:41,620
up and loved silent films.

1215
00:58:41,620 --> 00:58:43,020
And this was a large experiment.

1216
00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:46,980
And he's like, how can I be a silent film monster in a modern film?

1217
00:58:46,980 --> 00:58:50,900
Like how can I bring that physical acting to cinema now?

1218
00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:55,540
When he's dragging the piece of the palette through the street and he just screams out

1219
00:58:55,540 --> 00:59:03,020
loud, that was my quote to be this point.

1220
00:59:03,020 --> 00:59:04,100
This is a very quotable movie.

1221
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:09,220
So why don't we just round robin this and just until we run out, I can't say it with

1222
00:59:09,220 --> 00:59:12,860
the right intonation, but I just love the part where he literally says boo.

1223
00:59:12,860 --> 00:59:14,940
Yeah, that's so ridiculous.

1224
00:59:14,940 --> 00:59:21,460
So it's after he has assaulted Alva and then has shot himself in the head with her gun

1225
00:59:21,460 --> 00:59:30,260
that shoots blanks and then he just.

1226
00:59:30,260 --> 00:59:31,260
He recites the alphabet.

1227
00:59:31,260 --> 00:59:32,260
Brilliant.

1228
00:59:32,260 --> 00:59:41,500
So there's a another Nick Cage podcast with this guy who's the host, Nick Darrell Edge,

1229
00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:44,180
and he's actually going to be a guest on our show in July.

1230
00:59:44,180 --> 00:59:50,100
And his intro uses the alphabet to spell out cage rage, which is the definition.

1231
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:53,140
I'll just jump in with another one.

1232
00:59:53,140 --> 00:59:54,140
I never miss anything.

1233
00:59:54,140 --> 00:59:55,140
Not once, not one time.

1234
00:59:55,140 --> 01:00:04,140
With tons of gestures to his body work in this is incredible.

1235
01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:07,940
I like how he's patching up his patch.

1236
01:00:07,940 --> 01:00:10,340
I was in mortal combat with a fucking bat.

1237
01:00:10,340 --> 01:00:11,340
Give me a break.

1238
01:00:11,340 --> 01:00:13,340
That's a good one.

1239
01:00:13,340 --> 01:00:19,260
One that it was I think when he was in therapy, he says, we're on the bed and suddenly this

1240
01:00:19,260 --> 01:00:21,220
bat swoops down out of nowhere.

1241
01:00:21,220 --> 01:00:22,220
And she says, a bat?

1242
01:00:22,220 --> 01:00:23,220
And he goes, holy shit.

1243
01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:28,220
I can't remember where this one's from, but I just loved it.

1244
01:00:28,220 --> 01:00:33,540
Yeah, well, fuck you too, sister.

1245
01:00:33,540 --> 01:00:34,540
It was also with the therapist.

1246
01:00:34,540 --> 01:00:37,540
And he says, she's asking me about something.

1247
01:00:37,540 --> 01:00:42,260
However, he was dealing with something in the night and he goes, oh, yes, OK, I know.

1248
01:00:42,260 --> 01:00:46,540
I guess I was pretty horny, pretty, pretty keyed up from being with the girl the night

1249
01:00:46,540 --> 01:00:47,540
before.

1250
01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:48,540
I was drunk too.

1251
01:00:48,540 --> 01:00:49,540
That was it.

1252
01:00:49,540 --> 01:00:51,820
I had a little to drink.

1253
01:00:51,820 --> 01:00:52,820
I was a little drunk.

1254
01:00:52,820 --> 01:00:53,820
Plus, I was horny.

1255
01:00:53,820 --> 01:00:54,820
And point of order, she's an analyst.

1256
01:00:54,820 --> 01:00:55,820
A of all.

1257
01:00:55,820 --> 01:00:56,820
B of all, she's a cougar, right?

1258
01:00:56,820 --> 01:00:57,820
She was looking up at the high.

1259
01:00:57,820 --> 01:00:58,820
That's right.

1260
01:00:58,820 --> 01:00:59,820
We saw him.

1261
01:00:59,820 --> 01:01:00,820
And C of all.

1262
01:01:00,820 --> 01:01:01,820
She was also fucking thirsty as shit.

1263
01:01:01,820 --> 01:01:02,820
He mentioned getting like turned on by the bat.

1264
01:01:02,820 --> 01:01:03,820
He's like, let's circle back to that.

1265
01:01:03,820 --> 01:01:04,820
And C of all, she's a cougar.

1266
01:01:04,820 --> 01:01:05,820
She's a cougar.

1267
01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:06,820
She's a cougar.

1268
01:01:06,820 --> 01:01:07,820
She's a cougar.

1269
01:01:07,820 --> 01:01:08,820
She's a cougar.

1270
01:01:08,820 --> 01:01:09,820
She's a cougar.

1271
01:01:09,820 --> 01:01:10,820
She's a cougar.

1272
01:01:10,820 --> 01:01:11,820
She's a cougar.

1273
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:12,820
She's a cougar.

1274
01:01:12,820 --> 01:01:18,820
She's a cougar.

1275
01:01:18,820 --> 01:01:29,820
She's a cougar.

1276
01:01:29,820 --> 01:01:32,420
introduced through their mutual analytics.

1277
01:01:32,420 --> 01:01:34,820
Oh, that is problematic.

1278
01:01:34,820 --> 01:01:36,820
Oh, but to be fair, she didn't.

1279
01:01:36,820 --> 01:01:37,820
It was all in his head.

1280
01:01:37,820 --> 01:01:42,220
I do love when he's gone full vampire,

1281
01:01:42,220 --> 01:01:44,620
and he's running around the city asking people to stake him.

1282
01:01:44,620 --> 01:01:47,820
And he's yelling he's a vampire,

1283
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:49,620
and people going into church on Sunday morning.

1284
01:01:49,620 --> 01:01:53,020
And the bells are going off, and he goes,

1285
01:01:53,020 --> 01:01:55,820
Christ! The torches of the dam!

1286
01:01:55,820 --> 01:02:00,820
Wait, I got one more that we can do.

1287
01:02:00,820 --> 01:02:03,820
It's when he's, like Peter alluded to earlier,

1288
01:02:03,820 --> 01:02:06,820
he's in this perfect relationship with a maddening woman for 10 minutes,

1289
01:02:06,820 --> 01:02:08,820
and he gets home, and he's like,

1290
01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:09,820
Oh, he's just saying,

1291
01:02:09,820 --> 01:02:12,820
Why did you become a vampire? Why can't you be normal?

1292
01:02:12,820 --> 01:02:14,820
Does this mean we can't have kids?

1293
01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:18,820
Okay, so my favorite quote, just a little context.

1294
01:02:18,820 --> 01:02:25,820
Nick Cage is berating Alma for not having found this contract.

1295
01:02:25,820 --> 01:02:31,820
He calls out to one of the other secretaries to see what Alma's up to.

1296
01:02:31,820 --> 01:02:32,820
The secretary's like,

1297
01:02:32,820 --> 01:02:34,820
Oh, she's just getting ready to go.

1298
01:02:34,820 --> 01:02:36,820
And he's like, Oh, well, send her in.

1299
01:02:36,820 --> 01:02:38,820
So he has her come in, and he's all like,

1300
01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:39,820
Oh, blah, blah, blah.

1301
01:02:39,820 --> 01:02:40,820
They talk for a second.

1302
01:02:40,820 --> 01:02:42,820
It's like, Oh, why do you have your coat on?

1303
01:02:42,820 --> 01:02:44,820
And she's like, Oh, I was about to leave.

1304
01:02:44,820 --> 01:02:46,820
So Peter just says,

1305
01:02:46,820 --> 01:02:52,820
Oh, there is no one else in this entire office that I could possibly ask to share such a horrible job.

1306
01:02:52,820 --> 01:02:55,820
You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alma.

1307
01:02:55,820 --> 01:02:56,820
The lowest.

1308
01:02:56,820 --> 01:03:02,820
Do you realize that every other secretary who's been here has been here longer than you,

1309
01:03:02,820 --> 01:03:03,820
Alma.

1310
01:03:03,820 --> 01:03:04,820
Everyone.

1311
01:03:04,820 --> 01:03:09,820
And even if there was someone here who had been here just one day longer than you,

1312
01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:14,820
I still wouldn't ask that person to partake in such a miserable job.

1313
01:03:14,820 --> 01:03:21,160
as long as you were around. That's right Alva, it's a horrible horrible job

1314
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:26,800
sifting through old contract after old contract. I couldn't think of a more

1315
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:33,800
horrible job if I wanted to and you have to do it. You have to or I'll fire you. Do

1316
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:42,160
you understand? Do you? Good. Then there's no problem then. Is there? And it's like I

1317
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:47,080
fucking love that little monologue which is like I've had terrible bosses, I've

1318
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:52,640
had terrible jobs, and I've had people try to fucking strong-arm me in said job

1319
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:59,100
with shit like that. And it's like God and it's just insane the way he straight

1320
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:05,380
up says to her face I'm making your life miserable only because I can. Yeah.

1321
01:04:05,380 --> 01:04:11,940
That was the hottest part of the film. It was really good. Those white eyes. I don't want to throw shade at

1322
01:04:11,940 --> 01:04:16,380
publishers because I'm sure they do something. I'm sure Peter Lowe's the job

1323
01:04:16,380 --> 01:04:20,880
that he has. I'm sure that person does something. So I almost feel like that role

1324
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,560
that he's playing is also vampiric. Oh absolutely. You publish somebody else's

1325
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,060
work, you take credit for it, you suck the lifeblood out of it. Like what the fuck

1326
01:04:29,060 --> 01:04:32,880
does a publisher even do? No offense publishers. No for real though. What's

1327
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,320
ironic though because you read the the Ringer article as well is that one of

1328
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,520
the producers of this because this movie was so weirdly panned none of them could

1329
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,840
get work after it and she ended up starting her own publishing house. That's

1330
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,920
right. Yeah the X of the screen right here. Interesting. So this got negative

1331
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:53,080
feedback huh? Oh yeah this was this was not a movie that was well received. It

1332
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,080
actually like really fucked up the director's career, the producers that

1333
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,980
were involved. The only one who kind of came away unscathed was Nick Cage because

1334
01:04:59,980 --> 01:05:05,640
his performance was so unusual. But then it really got like a cult following and

1335
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,560
that's when it really kind of got new life. But it didn't it didn't make any

1336
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:14,040
money, it didn't really impact anybody in a positive way in terms of reviews. It

1337
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:19,960
was sort of a dead movie. Yeah 88 wasn't the time for a myth like this. I feel

1338
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:26,080
like 88 was such a time of optimism in US America and that level of like real

1339
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:31,480
like deep self-inquiry was just like taboo you know it's like we are doing it.

1340
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:38,040
This is the shit like everything about this is awesome. On the spectrum, good Cage,

1341
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:44,200
bad movie, bad Cage, good movie, good Cage, good movie. I mean in my opinion good Cage,

1342
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:54,400
good movie. I mean it's fucking wacky performance. Yes. I mean it's absolutely insane. Can we talk for just a

1343
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,760
minute about the scene where he gets his teeth? When you say like you had a hard

1344
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,800
time feeling bad for him, this is the scene where I really felt bad for him. Yes that's exactly what I was gonna say. This is the part

1345
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:08,400
where like I felt my heart open to Peter Lowe because he walks into some kind of

1346
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:21,600
esoteric shop and he does not. Standard corner occult store. Yep. And he asks the shopkeeper for teeth, he sees some nice teeth that are kind of

1347
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,920
realistic and he cannot afford them. He no longer has the cash in his wallet.

1348
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:39,920
They're $20. But he can't afford these teeth and so he has to buy the cheapies. Which he keeps putting it in like in different directions because sometimes like the underbite, overbite change in every scene.

1349
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:53,920
Didn't notice that part. But you know the poor guy sits on a park bench and rips into this package. But then like my empathy disappears because he puts them in and kind of like counts real quick and then he crawls away from the bench.

1350
01:06:53,920 --> 01:07:11,920
He's a cat. He's a sexy cat. But with those teeth in, he does tally one kill which I'm with you, I don't think that he becomes a vampire but that does problematize a little bit that he's able to bite someone with that.

1351
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:20,920
He doesn't with the teeth though because you see right after he kills her. Does he take them out? Well you don't see him take them out. But after you see him kill her, like he turns around and just pops them back in.

1352
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,920
He does have a kill with the teeth.

1353
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,920
Which also, are pigeons that easy to catch? Holy fuck!

1354
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:37,920
Okay, there's a story behind this. The pigeon he did grab was droved but he wasn't told that they'd drug a pigeon. They just told him to grab and catch a pigeon. But they drugged one to make it so he would catch one eventually.

1355
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,920
So he would believe it. Oh, that's brilliant.

1356
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,920
Y'all want to drug some pigeons?

1357
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,920
Let's talk a little bit about how he gets himself killed.

1358
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:47,920
Yes.

1359
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,920
What did y'all make of that scene?

1360
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,920
Well I was just, I was excited for a good old fashioned tire ironing.

1361
01:07:52,920 --> 01:08:06,920
So yeah, Alva tells her brother what happened so her brother breaks into Peter's home and is going to tire iron him to death and Peter's there with that hunk of wood he kicked out from a pallet earlier.

1362
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:14,920
And as soon as the daylight's on he puts the piece of wood to his chest and the brother's like, alright, shove.

1363
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:24,920
Yeah, well he's been asking people to stake him for like the last like one or so scenes for him. It would have been sad if they didn't.

1364
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:31,920
And, you know, they went right for it. The pallet wood is oriented the wrong direction to go through his ribs.

1365
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:32,920
Yeah.

1366
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,920
But I still enjoyed it. I think it was the appropriate death for him.

1367
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:51,920
This is going back a little bit to, I guess it relates to what some of you were talking about earlier with the opening shots of New York City skyline and just really love the way that they use the city as a backdrop throughout the whole movie, and there's so many

1368
01:08:51,920 --> 01:09:08,920
interesting moments, I guess, both outside in the city, on the streets, and also inside. I thought they just did a really good job of creating this environment that, like the music it creates this feeling of dread and doom which really counters the

1369
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:22,920
sense of absurdity and comedy that's also happening and it makes it very, I think the first time I watched it. Yeah, I got this feeling I was just totally confused what like what the hell is this second time around though, I really, whether or not it was intentional

1370
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:40,920
I thought that it had a great effect that juxtaposition just made me think about vampires as extensions of their environment, like all monsters are kind of representative of some larger background I guess and, you know, like zombies sort of belong in this post apocalyptic

1371
01:09:40,920 --> 01:10:07,920
setting. Vampires are creatures of the night, and this embodied being that represents something in the beer of shadow and of the things that are in the shadows in a society and in culture so things like lust and violence and all this stuff that gets to be written off

1372
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:29,920
when it's performed by white guys. The original vampire story like Dracula is about aristocrats literally eating the poor, it was literature for a lower class to comment on and point out the problem in their society of the rich flight guy literally eating them.

1373
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:44,920
You know I think to that point about the things that live in the shadows. The fact that the subway really doesn't play a big part in this film, I think is really like, again, a very subtle move that you would think that if you're going to shoot a vampire movie and it's

1374
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:56,920
going to be set in New York City that vampires going to make some hay in the subway like that's where you go to do your thing you know what I mean you're in the dark and the shadows you can sneak up on people you can get away quickly, but the only time we see the subway

1375
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:12,920
make an appearance is when Alva gives an arm to the homeless man who's singing Beautiful Dreamer. And so there is kind of this commentary about the goodness of the poor and the working class who actually are forced to live in the shadows in the society while

1376
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:27,920
meanwhile I think that that is actually happening while Peter Lowe is going apeshit on his apartment. All of these levels are happening at once which is why the film is so interesting to me but you know you can read into it all these different social

1377
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:43,920
commentaries cultural commentaries and at the same time the screenwriter who wrote this thing. He was in a terrible relationship with one of the producers actually who encouraged him to write the script as a way to like get him out of the house I think, but he, yeah he was

1378
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:58,920
in such shape and that's real you know and no matter who you are and no matter your, your power and privilege in society of course people still feel pain and suffering and so that's a part of it to is like this story of feeling, you know like you're in a shitty

1379
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:10,920
relationship and you're feeling isolated and you're longing for things that you don't have and yeah it's all it's all happening at once. So it's a confusing mess, but it's also kind of awesome.

1380
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:18,920
I'm going to pitch it to you guys first, your vote actually doesn't count. But what between these two movies would you pick to continue on?

1381
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:31,920
This is why I asked you the question earlier about best and cagiest are the same thing I would say between worlds is so cagy, but the vampire's kiss to me just as a work of art as a film, absolutely the best of the two.

1382
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:45,920
The vampire's kiss or the win. I think even the most absurd parts of between worlds can't compare to the bulging eyes and alphabet reciting antics of Nicolas Cage in this movie.

1383
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,920
Well that's unfortunate Nick and I discussed this earlier.

1384
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:54,920
We specifically decided because we know how much Peter hated it that we were going to hear the fucking monster.

1385
01:12:54,920 --> 01:13:01,920
Look at that. You are the vampire.

1386
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:14,920
It's clearly vampire's kiss. Yeah, vampire's kiss was incredible. It's such a good movie and like I said I had a hard time getting into it but once I realized what I was actually seeing and went back and rewatched it completely sold an amazing film.

1387
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:27,920
I just want to take a step back here and say I cannot fucking wait for Renfield watching him continue this role playing straight up fucking Dracula is going to be incredible.

1388
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,920
This movie looks so good.

1389
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:43,920
So this is Cage adjacent. The sequel to Left Behind, Rise of the Antichrist is coming out starring Kevin Sorbo and in a recent interview Kevin Sorbo was, I'm not going to do the quote right so please forgive me because I didn't want Google to

1390
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:58,920
have me think I was Googling Kevin Sorbo Christian quotes, but he said something along the lines of, you know, the first one came out, and it did really well, but all my fan, but everyone was just like, why isn't Kevin Sorbo the lead in this film why is it Nick Cage, everyone wanted me to do it.

1391
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:07,920
So I, Kevin Sorbo, who will undoubtedly one day be found in a truck stop bathroom sucking Dean Cain's dick, allegedly, should have been in this film the whole time.

1392
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:14,920
Direct quote. I don't think there's anything missed.

1393
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:20,920
Yeah, that was my in this week and Kevin Sorbo thinks is a better actor than Nick Cage.

1394
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:27,920
So yeah, thank you guys for being here. It was a you elevated this podcast a little bit more than we're probably used to. And that's appreciated.

1395
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:34,920
If we can we'll link this podcast to an online thesaurus just for our listeners.

1396
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:51,920
Yeah, now that we're an educated podcast people exactly. I just want to give a quick shout out to the the ringer article, I got a lot of my information from the article called truly batshit the secret history of vampires kiss the craziest Nicholas Cage movie of all time

1397
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:58,920
by Zach Schoenfeld highly recommend it for a read it was really well done, really, really fascinating.

1398
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:11,920
So a couple shout outs, we got into the criteria on channel during the lockdown, and that's how we found vampires kiss and that's how most of the films that populate our imaginations, we find them on there.

1399
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:25,920
Really fantastically curated so big ups to the people who sort and organize the way they organize the films is just so nice. And then also wanted to shout out bell hooks, the will to change.

1400
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,920
Oh, hell yeah.

1401
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,920
Both movies can be viewed at my house.

1402
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:39,920
Movies are available on to be if you're okay with watching commercials, or you can go to Nick's house, really sweet garage we can watch them in.

1403
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:53,920
But yeah so please rate review subscribe all the regular things on all the podcast platforms find us on Reddit, it does help us out, we were the number 138 movie review podcasts this week.

1404
01:15:53,920 --> 01:16:02,920
If you are interested in supporting us on Patreon you can find us at patreon.com slash cage match, we're on Reddit, if you want to interact with us at all. It's cage match pod.

1405
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:18,920
And as always thank you to our sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean, Josie Rico Matt and Adam, and our inner cage member, Ira and special thanks to our new inner cage member, john, so thank you guys for making this shit happen.

1406
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,920
Also, Nick, the comments are on Reddit apparently.

1407
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:29,920
We established that last time when I said to comment on Reddit. I couldn't remember anything last week I could barely speak, you're the brains, I have the brains.

1408
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,920
Peter a I'd my entire persona persona into that podcast.

1409
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,920
chat GPT just for Sean.

1410
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:40,920
I don't know why you guys don't call it the premium tier cage dancers.

1411
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:42,920
Fuck.

1412
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,920
Now we're going to.

1413
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:57,920
Go to the house.

1414
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,920
Just in general, if you want to give a little test.

1415
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,920
You sound just like her it's crazy. I know.

1416
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:10,920
It's fooled Gary many a time.

1417
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,920
I thought I was supposed to wait for a poignant moment like after I say pounding on the beat.

1418
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,920
I thought you were cleansing the space.

1419
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:41,920
That was the point. No, I'm just dumb.