1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,200 Hi everybody, this is Producer Peter. You are jumping into an episode that is about the events 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:12,720 of 9-11 and also talking pretty candidly about sexual assault. Just fair warning, 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:18,560 we are going to talk about those subjects. Oh god, oh my god. 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:35,360 So I was like really into TIE Fighter and I spent like 90 minutes trying to get the sound set up 5 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:41,520 right because it was supposed to be full stereo so you could hear something go I just use my hands 6 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:47,800 for people who are listening. Yeah. To explain right to left motion. What if it went left to 7 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:55,720 right? Oh okay. That's how sound waves work. Yeah. We're a science podcast from now on, 8 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,320 I don't want to talk about these movies. Nobody wants to talk about these movies. 9 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:05,080 Why do you guys let me come to you with terrible, terrible puns and then we turn them into like 10 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:11,560 ideas? I mean we knew that there were going to be bad weeks. I mean I don't think we anticipated them 11 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:18,120 falling on the same week. I mean what would you have put the 9-11 movie up against that you would 12 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:23,960 be like what a good match. I mean just something dog shit that we could rag on you know what for 13 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:30,840 the sake of our comedy podcast. Yeah. I think it's fine to just get it done with lumps. Yeah, 14 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:38,440 that's fair. Yeah, agreed. So welcome to a very special episode of Cage Match, colon or roundabout 15 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:45,240 way of meeting Nicolas Cage. Nick Cage, please don't listen to this episode. Jet fuel cam out 16 00:01:45,240 --> 00:02:02,360 steel beams. Starting strong. Birds aren't real. This podcast is hosted by Nick and myself Sean. 17 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:08,200 Peter has to keep the audio because it's got both of us. That's true. Yeah. Oh my god is that all 18 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:13,080 it takes? That's all it takes. I'm just too lazy. So I'm gonna whisper conspiracies throughout this 19 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:19,880 entire thing. Okay. That's all I've got. Who did 9-11? Oh let's okay we're gonna we're gonna redo 20 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:25,080 this whole intro thing. Hi Nick, my co-host for this podcast. How are you today? Don't use my 21 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:32,120 government name. And I was hoping you'd throw it back to me. I'm Sean, the other co-host of the show 22 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:39,480 and we're transmitting from a secret bunker. And then our producer Peter. Hi Peter. Hello. 23 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:46,520 This week we're talking about World Trade Center and it goes up against The Frozen Ground, 24 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:54,440 a movie about sex trafficking, rape and murder. Which one of these romps do we want to discuss 25 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,920 first Nick? Well we've already started talking about Frozen Ground. Yeah that's what I figured. 26 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:05,160 All right The Frozen Ground. Nick you want to give us a little wrap up of this one? Yeah this is the 27 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:16,840 true story inspired by the true story story of a cop who finds the Alaska butcher baker serial killer. 28 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:24,280 End scene. No there's a girl she oh god you kept looking at me I had to continue. 29 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:32,760 So this sex worker. I'm gonna have to say it again. Do you need me to handle this one? Take the 30 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:41,800 ranks on this? No. This sex worker escapes from somebody goes to the cop says that she was raped 31 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:50,040 and the guy was gonna try to kill her and the cops are like I don't you're oh and we don't believe 32 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:55,800 you then one cop is like I don't know so he escalates it and like secretly sends the stuff 33 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:04,920 to the Alaska State Patrol and Nicolas Cage the Alaska State Patrolman is like look at this this 34 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:12,200 is wild let's look into it and then they do and then turns out like he finds the murderer this 35 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:18,680 guy who's killed like 17 people. Yeah that's pretty much about it. Yeah. So yes in this film. He rapes 36 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,160 a bunch too. Not Nicolas Cage. The murderer. No one rapes Nicolas Cage. 37 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:31,000 Peter I'm just gonna say boy we can't record we can't use that. Probably not I don't know we'll 38 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,560 see how I'm feeling when I edit. You get kind of I mean depending on how many sparkle buddies you 39 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,760 get kind of saucy. Oh yeah absolutely. All right so this film stars Nicolas Cage as Sergeant Jack 40 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:49,400 Halcombe. John Cusack plays serial killer we'll just use that as the safe parlance. Robert Hanson 41 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:55,320 who I'm pretty sure they didn't change the name of in this one. No that is his name. Yes and Vanessa 42 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:03,880 Hudgens plays Cindy Paulson the young woman who managed to escape her captor and alert the 43 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:11,800 authorities to Robert Hanson and eventually led to his capture and confession. The proverbial one 44 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,840 who got away. And that's that's probably the best joke you're gonna get this whole episode. 45 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:23,720 So Nick Cage plays a cop again. Where do we rate him on the good cop bad cop scale? 46 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:30,040 I think he's a good cop on this one. I mean he was a better cop than some of the other cops for sure. 47 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:37,720 Yeah this movie starts off with some really shitty cops. In fact the detective who is interrogating 48 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:45,560 Cindy Paulson straight up says how can you rape a hooker? You know she's describing 49 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:55,320 where she was the guy. They pretty much have an eyewitness to this individual to John Cusack's 50 00:05:55,320 --> 00:06:01,720 Robert Hanson. She can even describe the murder basement and when the detective comes out of the 51 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:08,600 interrogation room he's just like yep nope not gonna do anything about it. And the detective or 52 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:14,680 the cop who brought her in was just like aren't we even gonna interview the guy? And the detective's 53 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:21,480 responses he doesn't have a record in the computer where within 15 minutes we find out that this guy 54 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:28,760 has a record that goes back 20 odd years it just hasn't been digitized and that's as much detective 55 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:34,680 work as that detective wanted to do. Yeah well I mean he talked to the guy's wife also she said he 56 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:41,640 was good. Oh yeah. And he did have people corroborating his alibi. He had some buddies. 57 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:48,040 Oh yeah the initial one that he was there the whole time. So real Robert Hanson started getting 58 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:57,400 like a rap sheet back in uh 63 when he held a housewife at gunpoint and tried to rape her and 59 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:05,960 then also raped uh I think it was a sex worker at the time. But he got a lot of that thrown out 60 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:13,080 like the rape of the sex worker by agreeing to like a plea bargain or whatever in the use of 61 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:18,600 a deadly weapon. Yay the American justice system. Yeah and he only served six months by the way. 62 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:26,600 Gross. Yeah uh some of his other early crimes are pretty interesting. Ha ha interesting or more 63 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:32,600 disturbing interesting. Yeah just disturbing interesting I mean he's not like a very ha ha 64 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:38,040 guy it seems like. Yeah this is now a true crime podcast. Yeah I was I mean I was hoping for like 65 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:43,880 theft of Mylar turtle balloon or something. No only a whack job would do something like that. 66 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,360 We're not going to talk about that one. The statute of limitation of turtle turtle balloon 67 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:54,760 theft has not reached its limit yet. So Sergeant Jack Helcombe is introduced to this case. It's 68 00:07:54,760 --> 00:08:01,800 brought to his desk uh two weeks before his lovely wife and children and him are supposed to 69 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:08,200 pick up stakes and move out of Alaska. There's kind of a ticking clock a two weeks till retirement 70 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:13,560 type feel but clearly Jack isn't thrilled at the idea. He hasn't signed the paperwork or paid the 71 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,680 movers yet. Yeah but they packed up like the food in the kitchen weirdly enough. It's like you don't 72 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:24,280 understand moving if you put all your food away while you're still there. Like you can have food 73 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:30,440 that you're just gonna abandon if you're moving states. Fuck it. These Cheerios they belong to 74 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:36,440 the rats now. Yeah no one's bringing that peanut butter. Yeah not after I'm done with it. So I mean 75 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:41,080 like all like all good movie and tv cops you know things aren't great at home because the job's just 76 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:47,480 too too gritty and real. I do want to talk about though so you know Jack's the one who's realized 77 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,480 that women have been going missing for a while. They're showing up out in the wilderness. How 78 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,840 long Nick have like they've been finding bodies and they still claim it's none of them are 79 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,080 associated with each other. They were like three within a year that's when like the press were just 80 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:08,760 like this seems like a pattern but we do find out that there is a history of specifically young women 81 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:19,000 17 to 23 ish and they're usually told Cindy and Jack finds out through the sister of another woman 82 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:26,760 that they were told that they were going to go get photos taken for a modeling maybe a modeling gig. 83 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:34,040 Photos taken or like some high payout thing so like Cindy was a pro so it was 200 bucks for a blowjob 84 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:40,040 and it's like yeah okay I'll definitely get in there and take a shot in the mouth for 200. Another 85 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:47,640 young woman is told she's going to have professional photos taken of her which cute as fuck. 86 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:54,440 Which Cusack shows up in what I'm gonna refer to as Cusack's creepy camper. Yeah this is like 87 00:09:54,440 --> 00:10:02,520 anytime Paul Dano's in a movie it's like you should be nervous. Yeah like he shows up in a camper 88 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:09,720 but I don't think we ever see again. No it was a single use camper. Girl gets in and it's off to the 89 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:19,080 races. I mean he was a pretty prolific serial killer. Well let's talk about let's go back to 90 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:24,120 being a true crime podcast for a second and let's play some serial killer bingo. Oh okay. Because 91 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:31,480 dear god did this guy hit every mark. Murder basement. Yeah. Like just trophy hunter heads 92 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,360 everywhere. The most impressive to me though was the walrus skull. Yeah that was pretty neat 93 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:43,240 actually. I thought it was cool. I wish I had one. In his rumpus room because he has a good christian 94 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:49,960 wife and a couple kids he's just got a spot to like hang a chain what for chaining up women. A hole 95 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:56,600 made for a three-eighths lag bolt. Yeah how do you explain that one to your partner? I don't think 96 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:03,800 his wife's allowed downstairs. It's a proper 70s man cave. Yeah okay you're right. So he's 97 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:13,800 80s man cave. Everything about this guy screams he harms women for fun. I mean just the number of 98 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:22,280 times he's been actually charged with rape. Yeah. But he definitely has a target audience. 99 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaking of targets. And they're a captive audience too. There we go we got there. 100 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:33,560 Oh god I'm I feel dirty. Speaking of. I'm gonna make this as hard for you guys as I possibly 101 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:41,080 can. That's why you're here. Speaking of targets though the way he disposes of his prey. Oh god 102 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,560 this film. I mean you can just say victims. Victims. I was trying to go into the hole. Yeah that's much 103 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:51,560 better. I was trying to play up the whole hunter aspect of this because he actually flies the women 104 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:58,280 out in his private prop plane to the middle of nowhere lets them go and as they're running away 105 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,560 shoots them in the back with a hunting rifle. I think it's exciting sorry just to step back a second 106 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:11,560 that he's allowed to fly that plane because he was denied a pilot's license for being fucking wacky. 107 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:16,760 Even when they try and stop him later when they like tell the tower don't let that plane take off 108 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:25,720 he just goes anyway. Yeah. Are there plane cops? There have to be. The FAA? I'm assuming. Do they get guns? 109 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:32,680 Probably not anti-aircraft. But how are you like what's the deterrent then? Take your plane away? 110 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:37,320 Take his license the one he doesn't have? No just the airplane that makes it real hard to fly. 111 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:44,040 Can they take the plane away? They're the fucking government. They'll come in and take anything they 112 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:50,040 want. Like literally if you get pulled over they can take the money from your wallet and never give 113 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:58,040 it to you again. Fuck cops. Yeah fuck them. Fuck the government too. This movie does not I mean 114 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:04,200 outside of like the depiction of the cops who brought this guy in most other cops in this film 115 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:10,520 are fairly inept and like the DA definitely just doesn't want to pursue this. But we have like the 116 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:18,840 copiest cop actor Dean Norris the guy from Breaking Bad. Yeah I only watched like most of the season 117 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,560 of that so I don't remember. You've seen him as a cop in like other shit for sure. He only plays a cop. 118 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:29,960 He only is a cop. Kind of like Wendell Pierce who I can only imagine as being a cop ever. 119 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:39,240 Oh god. Oh god who played Ben Graham in the Fantastic Four movie? Michael Chickless. Yeah 120 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,360 this guy looks like a you know low rent Michael Chickless. Oh okay who looks like a low rent 121 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:52,360 Dominic Toretto? Yeah kind of. I just keep talking about who looks like who. Yeah. Oh speaking of 122 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,080 people that look like things this is really the era of Nick Cage looking like a ham sandwich. 123 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:05,800 Yeah. He's got this whole like pouty lip action. He does. Yeah it was really weird. I couldn't stop 124 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:13,400 thinking about that. Not quite as bad as uh early 2000s like Falcon hair where his hair just looks 125 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:19,320 like a bird taking flight from his head. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. So of 126 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:25,480 course Nick Cage and you know he has a tragic backstory that he uses to connect with Cindy. On 127 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:32,760 his 21st birthday his sister got killed by a drunk driver and I don't believe the driver was ever 128 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,560 brought to justice so that's what made him want to be a cop. That's that's the extent of that plot 129 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:42,040 point. Probably my favorite part about this movie because I've been like fascinated by these things. 130 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:48,920 Since I was 10 there's a moose in this movie. Oh I thought you were going to talk about pimps. 131 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:57,800 Oh that's next. I will say that I've been fascinated by pimps for a while. All right I was 132 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,680 gonna have some fun talking about a moose but yeah let's talk about pimps. So 50 cents in this movie. 133 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:10,360 Yeah. He plays the pimp. He's got the sweetest wig ever. Oh man it's so good. He produced this too. 134 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:15,080 He must feel very passionately about it. Good for him. Well there goes all my material. Thanks 135 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,480 Peter. Yeah you're welcome. I mean my soul material is like hey isn't it weird that 50 cents in this 136 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:24,280 movie. It is weird. So you want to talk about pimps. Go. Well he was kind of a pimp with a 137 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:29,960 heart of gold in the end. He saw an opportunity and tried to rob the guy that was gonna kill the 138 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:39,880 sex worker. Yeah okay so maybe not a heart of gold. So yeah 50 cent. So Hanson gets one of his 139 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:47,080 buddies to go and rough up this pimp to track down Cindy Paulson. Biddy cent says they're gonna get 140 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:53,160 out of town grabs the girl drives her out the middle of nowhere to do the trade-off and when 141 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:58,360 the guy's got a gun on Cindy Biddy cent pulls a gun on the other guy. And we've got a real Mexican 142 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:05,320 stand-up. Yes. Except Cindy doesn't have a gun. Instead she just drives away. Yes for every reason 143 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:11,400 it is not actually a Mexican stand-up. Correct thing to do in that instance. Yeah why would you 144 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:16,760 trust either of them. Yeah and instead of just you know shooting the guy because at this point 145 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,480 you're not not gonna shoot the guy 50 cent. Yeah. He waits for the guy to turn around and shoot him. 146 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Yeah with his spare gun. Yeah you're in Alaska you're in North Texas everyone's got guns. Also 147 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:34,440 you're on like what appeared to be a huge frozen over lake. Yeah. Like just shoot him. Speaking of 148 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,160 everyone having guns like more guns than they know what to do with Hanson like packs up all of the 149 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:44,200 evidence takes out in the middle of the forest and gets rid of it except for all the evidence he 150 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,920 didn't pack up which was in a crawl which was in his attic under the floorboards. Yeah I think it's. 151 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,240 Why wouldn't you just put the extra stuff there too if you don't expect that to be found. Well 152 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:58,680 he doesn't want to keep like okay I'm not gonna try to pretend like I know what goes on in his 153 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:06,760 mind but it seems logical that you wouldn't keep all of your trophies somewhere so high traffic 154 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,720 like inside of your house like that. Except for the ones he did. But you kept the murder weapons 155 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:17,720 there. Were those the murder weapons? I mean they talk about them using 223 ammo but it's not just 156 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,680 a hunting rifle and a knife that's what he killed with and they showed like a Thompson and something 157 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,640 else. But he still had the bag of like jewelry and stuff he kept because he'd like to keep those as 158 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:34,280 trophies. He kept those in like the garage. Yes. Where he was when the cops showed up so he wasn't 159 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:41,000 able to like go back and get anything else it's like grab these personal effects of the victims. 160 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,840 But the cops didn't just show up they were just staking out his house they hadn't had the warrant 161 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,760 yet. I mean which he wouldn't know but no one's coming to his house. I think he knew because he 162 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:54,440 was looking out the window and he saw this. Yeah I mean that they just if you're gonna take the time 163 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,640 to grab the stuff that you just keep out in the open why not get the actual stuff out of the house 164 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:05,560 instead of the stuff that is adjacent. Could have taken more time. He did get rid of the bracelet 165 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:11,240 though the matching bracelet to one of the murder one of the murder victims sister had a matching 166 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:17,480 bracelet which is ultimately what Halcombe uses to kind of corner him in interrogation which is 167 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,880 he says they found this bracelet even though it wasn't the original. I mean and ultimately what 168 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:28,040 gets Hanson at the end is when he's you know feels cornered Cindy pretty much opens the door to the 169 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:33,800 interrogation room and he sees her and just loses his shit and yells in front of her room of 170 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,600 detectives I should have killed you when I had the chance. Yeah really kind of lost his cool there. 171 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,720 But hey there was a moose in this movie and that made me happy. Yeah yeah talk about that moose a 172 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:49,800 little more. I have to I kind of like just the illusion of moose. Yeah you're right. Just a hint 173 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,680 of moose. Just a little touch of moose touch of the tooch touch of moose. And that's how we're 174 00:18:54,680 --> 00:19:01,720 going to tie it back to last last episode. My last note is also fuck the police so hey we came full 175 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:07,880 circle. Fuck those police. Do you have any fun facts about this film or the making of this film Nick? 176 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:14,920 They were incredibly inconsistent in keeping things in the correct decade throughout the movie 177 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:21,320 there's stuff like in the opening scene in the airport there's a flat screen tv on the wall. 178 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:29,080 Yeah. Halcombe's car has 2012 plate registration. There's TripAdvisor stickers on a bunch of windows 179 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,320 and stuff around town. That's awesome. I didn't catch any of that. I also didn't pay that much 180 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:38,280 attention. Yeah I looked up some of these and kind of got on a roll with it but it's like 181 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:45,640 it's a huge number of problems. There's a 2005 pickup just driving down the street. Those 182 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:51,800 crosswalks that have the countdown timer those didn't come into play until 2001 in San Francisco. 183 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:58,600 2001 interesting. Yeah. Space Odyssey. No because of 9-11. That would have been a great segue but 184 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:04,600 we're not there yet. No that's true. We can put it anywhere. So except that is the power that I have. 185 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:10,280 To put it anywhere. Yeah. Peter your power is incredible. So except for uh Cindy Paulson all 186 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:16,440 the photos they used in the film for the murder board like the victims um all their files they 187 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:22,200 used the actual photos of the victims and at the end of the film they showed them all said who was 188 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:28,920 found kind of gave years and information about them and then the last photo is of Vanessa Hudgens 189 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:35,720 and it then it changes over to an actual photo of the real Cindy Paulson. So we get to know names 190 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:42,840 of these women and you know the full scope of how awful this human being was. Yeah which in numbers 191 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:52,440 is 17 known murdered women. Yeah. Another 21 suspected murdered people and 31 rape. So that's 192 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:59,160 pretty gnarly. It's not you don't want to eat ribs with this guy. Another fun fact. So oh wait I could 193 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,880 I could tie I could I could work this narrative thread. Uh Cusack was tired of being of being 194 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:10,680 cast in romantic comedies so he he wanted to you know do something more fitting for his acting so 195 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:16,760 he decided to play two serial killers back to back. The other movie that John Cusack did where he 196 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:22,840 played a serial killer was the paperboy from 2012. Based on the video game? Yes I'm going to just 197 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:29,160 assume yes. Yeah gotta be. I mean you killed a lot of people in that game. Yeah but yeah I mean you're 198 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,560 right there's there's sort of this era of people trying to reinvent themselves as actors a little 199 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:40,360 bit and Cusack was tired of being the nice guy romantic lead so he picked serial killer and like 200 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:46,120 Vanessa Hudgens had been you know Disney or whatever it was for forever and it's like I'm 201 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:49,640 gonna play a sex worker. Let's talk I mean let's just talk about the performances they are 202 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,400 powerful. I mean there's some pretty good ones. Yeah they're good I mean Cusack did a great job. 203 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:01,320 Cusack did a good job. Cage was very I mean it was a good performance it was you know subdued 204 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:07,080 but it wasn't like uh under performed or anything. No it was a very good performance and actually 205 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:12,840 this will lead me to my very long extended quote for this episode. You go ahead and do that. I 206 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:18,120 assume you don't have one for this one. I disagree let's see what you've got. All right so this is 207 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:25,080 actually I'm gonna pull a uh I'm gonna pull uh what the hell is that on your own time. What was 208 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,920 the worst movie that we've watched so far? Left Behind. I'm gonna pull a Left Behind. I'm gonna 209 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:34,360 take a quote from an interview he did for this movie. It's a bit long so uh but he was asked 210 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:40,440 about how he at this point was really known for just being in fantastical action films or like 211 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:47,000 dumb ass movies and his response was I like fantasy movies. I like kind of charming horror 212 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,520 films not slashers but charming horror films because there's a way of exciting the audience 213 00:22:52,520 --> 00:23:00,680 with a violence that's benign. It's a skull shooting fire or it's a magician shooting 214 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:08,600 something out of a wand or whatever. It's a ring you know. That's still a safe zone. It's not 215 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:15,080 promoting violence but when you deal with something that really happened that hurt people the families 216 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:21,160 and you know there I wanted to approach it more docudrama style and more cinema verte and photo 217 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:27,480 realist acting because also I've done a lot of larger than life kind of abstract performances 218 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:33,880 by design and I wanted to remind people that I could also do this. Okay so I have a theory on 219 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,360 this. It's right around this time that he was going through his financial troubles right like 220 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:44,440 that was 2011 2010 something like that and there's like a run of movies that I'm like 221 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:51,160 he didn't have to flex all that much on these and it seems like they are just you couldn't have 222 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:59,080 waited for like one fucking second. I tried I was like I should stop and then it was too late. 223 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,200 Yeah the damage was done. But like okay. The thought was in your head and you're just like I should stop 224 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,360 but I don't have to. I was trying to have moose talk and you guys fucking cut that off. No moose talk. 225 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:13,320 All right so you were saying? So I just think it's interesting it's like and I'd love to actually 226 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:19,400 pick his brain about this. What was the motivation for some of these movies? Was it to get yourself 227 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:25,320 out of the hole? Was it to satisfy some creative aspect of your life? Because I mean here are the 228 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:33,480 ones that came around this time. Joe, Rage, Outkast starring Hayden Christensen and Fucking Left 229 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:39,640 Behind. Those are like his movies in this window. Well and in this film he was originally offered 230 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,680 the role of John Hanson and turned it down. He didn't want to do that. He was more interested in 231 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,080 playing the detective and he thought that was a much more interesting story and actually got to 232 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:55,080 interview the actual detective and meet him before performing this role and promised the guy that he 233 00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:00,200 was you know gonna make him look good. And he also talked in an interview I watched about this how 234 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:06,040 he likes playing cops. All right Nick did you have a quote for this one? I did but actually it was 235 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:11,960 the same one that Sean had so he took my quote. Wow that was a really long quote. Yeah I guess 236 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,480 we're even. I think the only other thing I had to say on this is that it was a really fast filming. 237 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:25,000 It was just 26 days which you know back before 2001 it was like 90 plus days to make a movie. 238 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:31,000 It was really fast filming sorry but the director actually timed it so that it would hit during the 239 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:38,200 changing of the season and it was filmed like semi-chronologically so that way at the end he 240 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:45,560 wanted the the feeling of like the weather closing in on the story and bringing more tension that way. 241 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:51,160 He actually postponed the movie five months to do that. Yeah that's cool. This movie was made on an 242 00:25:51,160 --> 00:26:04,280 estimated 27 million dollar budget and made 5 million 617. Yeah not uh not good. And oh all 243 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,120 right that brings us now that that's uh now that that uncomfortableness is out of the way let's 244 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:13,480 talk about our second film which I'm sure will raise the spirits of this podcast. Oh wait it's 245 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:22,520 World Trade Center. More government funded lies. Starting strong boys starting strong. So uh this 246 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:29,720 propaganda movie was brought to you. I actually do want to talk about this um but we will talk 247 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:35,240 about propaganda or talk about 9-11 propaganda. Talk about this movie as propaganda. Yeah 9-11 248 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:42,120 was done on a fucking sound stage in LA. Everybody knows that. Same as the moon landing. I actually do 249 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:47,160 want to talk about that as well. God you're you're fucking you're on it today. Sweet all right uh you 250 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,120 know we're gonna talk about this first. What I found interesting about this and here was one of 251 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:57,000 my fun facts is the city would not allow them to use ground zero would not allow them to film 252 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:03,080 anything there. They were only allowed to film one scene of cops driving to ground zero for the film 253 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:08,280 and anything shot in New York the actors weren't even allowed to look up in the direction of where 254 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:14,840 the towers would be. There was the city would not allow for any depictions of this happening so they 255 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,480 had to be real creative with it and I was remember thinking watching this I'm like this movie does a 256 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,600 really good job of not like depicting this horrible event and it's not about that and it turns out 257 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,720 that the city was just like no we don't fucking ever want to see this again don't put this in 258 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:34,520 your movie. So this film was all shot in LA. All shots at ground zero are done in LA because the 259 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,880 city would not allow them to depict that in New York. Well they also already had the set from 260 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,840 five years prior when they filmed it the first time. 261 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,960 And we're cancelled all right let's go get dinner. Now it's a conspiracy podcast. I'm just trying to 262 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,280 get in on some of that Q money man. I'm gonna complain until that first check shows up then 263 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:04,840 I'm like all right. But no I just I thought that was interesting. Real quickly this film is. Yeah 264 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:10,920 give us the summary. I'll tell you it's 9-11. Yeah I was gonna say like oh how do I approach 265 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,880 this because it is 9-11 and it's you know that but it's based on the true story of two port 266 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:22,600 authority cops who were they weren't in the towers they were in building five so something in the 267 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:31,000 attached area beneath yeah tower too yeah and when one of the towers came down the floor came out 268 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,040 under them they were crushed under a bunch of debris and they survived but it's them being 269 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:42,840 trapped while waiting for rescue juxtaposed with their families who are trying to get information 270 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:51,880 and waiting to see what happens and it's a day I think it's what 12 to 20 hours of time. This film 271 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:59,240 jumps around a lot especially at the end when they finally do get rescued it's like the all is lost 272 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:05,480 moment and then five minutes later they're getting like dug out and not in a oh we're found it's you 273 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,760 know the all is lost moment someone finds them it's like okay call somebody and then all of a sudden 274 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:19,320 there's like everybody's there. Yeah I think this movie struggled with pacing a lot in the times when 275 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:27,480 they're not underneath rocks like in the act one I mean the movie starts basically day in the life 276 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,880 of a cop. The fucking thing happens at like nine in the morning yeah so it's like a couple hours 277 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:43,880 into his day planes are hitting buildings supposedly and uh then like it's kind of it's kind of like 278 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,640 really quick and everything's just kind of happening you don't know really who anybody is 279 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:56,200 like Michael Pena who plays uh Jimeno is a rookie okay there's some kind of rapport that he has with 280 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,760 people but you don't really get to know anything about him so just really he has nice boxers yeah 281 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:10,280 so real quick Nick Cage plays uh John uh McLaughlin who was also at the World Trade Center for the 93 282 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:18,280 car bombing and Michael Pena plays Willamino Maria Bello plays Donna McLaughlin uh John McLaughlin's 283 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:24,840 wife Maggie Gyllenhaal is Alison Jimeno the pregnant wife of Michael Pena's character and then 284 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:32,760 Michael Shannon shows up later for reasons and John Bernthal's in it too as Dave Karnes uh yeah 285 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:38,040 well okay we'll go there there's a lot of people in this film at the beginning also I mean when this 286 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:44,120 was filmed I don't think John Bernthal was he wasn't the Punisher yet no or Shane from Walking 287 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:50,360 Dead but either way I'm like oh John Bernthal's in here wait no he's not yeah because he's in two 288 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:56,600 scenes he's introduced as working he's introduced and he's killed yeah he's introduced it's the 289 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,480 pacing all over again it's like like everything's happening really fast then it happens and 290 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:07,400 everything happens really fucking slow and then everything just resolves yeah so he's like 291 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:14,440 he's working down in the buildings when it goes down or in the complex when it goes down and then 292 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,640 but he used to work at the Port Authority with these guys so he's like guys let me come with you 293 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:27,560 and then it all comes down and he's dead like that was a weird use of screen time I mean I get I 294 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:33,160 again this is based on real people which I understand but at the same time conservation of story 295 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,920 yeah I mean it shouldn't surprise you that credited writers on this are John McLaughlin John 296 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,840 McLaughlin and his wife and I'm assuming the person who actually kind of tried to clean it all up and 297 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:52,200 make it a screenplay yeah no so it's not written by somebody who is I don't know educated in 298 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,720 screenplay writing speaking of slowing things down unnecessarily whenever when the buildings 299 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:03,640 come down in that scene all I could think of is why has this been slowed to 12 frames a second 300 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:10,280 I don't know it's kind of weird um because I thought that this movie had pretty effective 301 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:17,560 practical effects I did too and then they do weird things like that kind of camera work and 302 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,920 stuff like that it's like it's not necessary like unless they wanted to like I mean you're 303 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,720 dropping foam blocks yeah and saying they're concrete and they don't fall the same way so 304 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:34,280 maybe they wanted to speed it up just to like make it more chaotic but about the time this movie 305 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,960 would have made the jackass movie would have been made and they do the same thing and it looks good 306 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:46,040 yeah but they don't slow it down wait they did 9-eleven the towers yes I was sorry I thought it 307 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,040 was no we're getting into it is Johnny Knoxville don't don't put that in the podcast 308 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,600 don't say it was Johnny Knoxville we love you I do I do generally enjoy Jackass their opening 309 00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:00,520 scenes has like concrete blocks and stuff being like blown up yeah and it's just foam and I'm 310 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,840 sure this movie could have had a bigger budget than the first jackass that's interesting look 311 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:12,920 that up the estimated budget of 65 million jackass five million dollars okay so they could have only 312 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:19,640 gotten a cage for jackass one true and no one else and I think that's the only reason why I 313 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,760 think that would have been great you think Nick Cage took a reduced budget or a reduced payout 314 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,280 on this because for half the movie you only see his face I mean just in terms of an acting gig 315 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,960 how awesome would that be to just spend six hours in makeup and then just lay on your side I will 316 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:42,520 say I think it would be terrible because his mouth is so fucking dry yeah it's gross like there's no 317 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:49,160 shine on his teeth it's just grit and dirt inside of everything this movie made me real thirsty 318 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:56,840 though it is a very dry movie yeah heart heart heart I did like just visually as the movie goes 319 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:03,400 on I want to talk about chemtrails as they're under there more and more turning our frogs gay 320 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,720 the the makeup gets more extreme like the bruising gets more extreme like there was 321 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,120 attention to detail there that as a visual person I appreciated no the makeup effects were great 322 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,960 yeah I actually think it was filmed really well too I mean other than some of the the antiquey 323 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,440 crap that you're talking about with the frame rate like I thought it was lit well and good 324 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:30,040 cinematography antiquey antiquey antiquey yeah not really a word but no but no because even like the 325 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:36,600 last scene of this film is so one of the running stories in this is Michael Pena his wife's having 326 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:42,040 a daughter they couldn't decide what to name it and at the end of the film this goes back to antiquey 327 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,520 crap like when they're having the picnic for the survivors he calls out to his daughter because 328 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:52,120 they finally got a name for her and it slows down to that 12 frame a second frame rate it's dumb 329 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,880 I watched this on 9-eleven which was not planned it was just like oh wait we're recording and I 330 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:03,320 still need to watch world trade center did you guys give a shit about any of the side plot with 331 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,920 the families no no I feel like this actually could have been a better like a bottle episode 332 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:14,120 kind of a style where it's just the two of them having to try and stay awake share stories about 333 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:19,400 their families like who cares about the actual actors well one of the then you couldn't justify 334 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:26,600 mclaughlin's or mclaughlin's wife co-writing it good point and she needed to get her money too 335 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:32,360 because everybody is looking to get paid out for this 9-eleven cover-up you're just muting Nick now 336 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:39,800 right I probably should but no no this film doesn't as a film care about any of the additional side 337 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:46,120 bullshit because in the 11th hour of this film like in the third act they decide to just throw 338 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:51,160 out there that John and his wife are having marital problems it's kind of implied from the get-go I 339 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,520 mean you see gets up to go to work you see her just kind of give a look and then doesn't say 340 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,880 goodbye or anything when he goes to her or in the morning she's asleep I get up at 3 30 every morning 341 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:08,600 and I wake Josie's ass up jump on the bed yeah it's saturday we can put this in the column of 342 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:15,480 terrible children because his son JJ is a fucking shithead like I get the kids like worried about 343 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,200 his dad but at the same time like we need to go down there and literally everyone in the family's 344 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:26,360 like that's not how it works you can't do that it would just be difficult stop it and he's just like 345 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:32,520 you don't love dad anymore and like runs out and is just a shitty kid yeah I mean he's like 10 the 346 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:40,680 actor's definitely not but the character was 10 so so you know he's shitty yeah I mean what do you 347 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:46,200 think about uh Michael Pena and Nick Cage just vibing off each other I think he'd be hard pressed 348 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:53,800 not to have a good rapport with Michael Pena yeah I think he's just way too charismatic on stage and 349 00:36:53,800 --> 00:37:01,880 probably off or screen yeah well probably on stage too on stage or on screen Michael Pena gets my 350 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:07,640 three thumbs up yeah oh and they're also there with the body of uh Dominic Pizzullo played by 351 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,920 Jay Hernandez yeah this whole time he's another character who's introduced to immediately be 352 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,640 killed do you think they just put like a mannequin like half a mannequin up there that looked like 353 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:26,120 him I hope well I mean most of the shots we get of Pena and Cage once it's just them it's usually 354 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,960 just this one one angle tight on their face yeah because you could probably only see them from one 355 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,880 angle one thing I found shocking and Nick you'll have a witty retort to this I'm sure is just the 356 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,920 audience disagrees how little people like at ground zero at the time how little people knew 357 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:48,200 like they were debating whether or not there was a second plane like while driving over there yeah 358 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,920 well I mean that wasn't like hardcore internet age people didn't have it in their pockets 359 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:59,960 information didn't move as fast and people weren't able to like live stream it as it happened 360 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:04,760 things like that I mean I was also on the west coast when it happened I woke up to it so it's not 361 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:11,400 like just but being there and they're debating whether or not the second building had been hit 362 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,560 or if that was just a smoke cloud from the first building I just thought that was interesting 363 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,600 and something I'd never considered because I've never had to consider being at an event like that 364 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,800 because it's terrifying yeah cool we're gonna draw the line there yeah shitty things like that 365 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:33,800 I mean not not necessarily manufactured to that scale but shitty things do happen around my life 366 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,240 like I mean things get dropped off of cranes and stuff on construction sites not like every day or 367 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:44,280 anything but you hear about it I mean just a couple of years ago in Seattle we had a crane drop 368 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:52,120 up on mercer off of a google building and it fucking fucked shit up killed a guy I do want 369 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:57,240 to talk about how Jesus is an aquafina man Jesus shows up with a bottle of water well in Pizzullo's 370 00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:02,680 mind not Pizzullo I know I can't say that he isn't I mean I feel like he probably would have 371 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,640 shown up with that in army of one I'm not gonna lie I don't think that was Jesus because I didn't 372 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,760 see Russell Brand in the credits anywhere a very good point all right we got where I wanted with 373 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:18,200 that bitch um but speaking of credits so Michael Shannon first of all like every time I see him I 374 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:27,480 just think that he's like a melted Michael C. Hall what what do you guys think of him oh he would 375 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,600 play a great serial killer I don't know who Michael Shannon is he is the marine and there's a guy who 376 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,400 comes up and he's like hey you got a name marine and he goes staff sergeant carns he's like 377 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:43,080 got something a little shorter staff sergeant Michael Shannon blaze staff sergeant Dave carns 378 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:48,920 who heard of them and was the one who was like who found them or found where they were so did 379 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,360 get them saved so I understand why he's a part of this movie but at the same time he's just there to 380 00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:01,560 be there he's got that dumb line where it's like don't you understand we're at war now yeah oh 381 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:08,440 yeah god fucking get over it honestly it tracks with every interaction I've ever had with a marine 382 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:14,600 this is this is clearly a different time in the world I do like how Allison's dad is very 383 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,480 concerned about her losing the baby but is not concerned at all with smoking like a fucking 384 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:25,880 chimney in the house yeah I mean I talked about this with Josie when we were watching it because 385 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:31,240 she had the same statement and I was like they hadn't even banned it in like smoking in bars 386 00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:37,320 and restaurants at this point it's just it's hindsight yeah hindsight great yeah I don't know 387 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,360 you got any fun facts for this 9-eleven movie Nick that's a that's a loaded question I should not 388 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:50,280 have asked that yeah facts in a pretty heavy quote uh tell me about lizard people so in uh the summer 389 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:56,280 before my junior year of high school whatever that was graduated in 03 help me out in the math 390 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:03,640 drop it down in the comments later how old am I what am I doing here I went to New York with a 391 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:10,440 fact-finding group just to try to figure all this out and get the information to the people and uh 392 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:18,040 while we were standing there at this you know supposed site of a tragedy so my tour guide just 393 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:24,280 turns around looks at me he's like want to hear a joke and then he throws up for a high five and then 394 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:30,760 drops his hand real quick and goes who's gay and I'm just sitting there at 9-eleven with my hand up 395 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:38,360 after a tour guide is like who's gay true story fucking wild yeah cut cut that that needs to be 396 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:45,480 cut I'm not standing it didn't it didn't age well but it is pretty accurate for 2001 that's true 397 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:53,880 and it's just outrageous that a New Yorker in New York at night at ground zero yeah he was 398 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,480 probably from Jersey that's probably true fuck Jersey yeah those motherfuckers bet they did it 399 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:10,440 no it was carried out too well hey uh don't don't sue us New Jersey oh my god all right um okay 400 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,560 we got it do you have a quote Nick yeah we're gonna wrap this shit up real quick yeah I got 401 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:21,320 I got a quote yeah actually before we do quotes just like what did you think of his performance 402 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,360 in this because I know it's really weird he was sideways the whole time I didn't like his accent 403 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:32,920 it was no it was a little overdone but he was also inconsistent yeah but he was also supposed 404 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,560 supposed to be crushed I don't know I didn't I mean even when he wasn't crushed it was inconsistent 405 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,400 Michael Pena stole the show like Michael Pena is the star of this film like he's the one who keeps 406 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,280 them both motivated and which will go into my quote yeah he's he's likable too likeable and just 407 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:54,120 yeah it's just a Nick Kages soul whole performance and it's just like I gotta stay alive because you 408 00:42:54,120 --> 00:43:00,840 die I die well more those pouty pouty lips how about that mustache though oh yeah cop stash 409 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,280 cop stash all the way good cop stash did we did we talk good cop bad cop uh not on this one good 410 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,920 cop bad cop fine cop he doesn't do much cop work he gets insane by telling him to go to the 411 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,800 elevator shaft because it's the strongest part of the building yeah that's about all we get from him 412 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,920 but that's not even like cop knowledge that's just I don't know engineering yeah it's just structural 413 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:31,400 knowledge yeah all right what's your quote nick so this happens over two scenes but originally like 414 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:41,720 Jimeno and McLaughlin are talking about you know their wives and stuff and Nicholas Cage is just 415 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:47,800 agreeing with Michael Binger and that like Michael Binger is like oh my wife she's Italian she can 416 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:55,240 don't get her mad she's a wild one and McLaughlin comes back with Donna can get mad too she wants a 417 00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:01,720 new kitchen I'm an okay carpenter so I'm building her a new one there's no cabinets right now she's 418 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:08,920 pissed so I gotta get out of here I married the right one so he's just like you know dudes kind of 419 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:16,040 yeah going around talking about how uh shitty quote unquote their relationships are it's like 420 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:22,440 oh don't get her mad oh my my wife she my bowling chain yeah but also you know at the same time 421 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:28,440 being like oh she's a she's a right proper lady and then uh in a dream later he's having a 422 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:35,720 conversation with his wife Donna and Donna's just like honey the kitchen's not even finished yet 423 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:40,040 she's trying to motivate him to get out of this hole and go back so she's like the kitchen's not 424 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:45,960 even finished yet and he's like okay would you get off the kitchen is this necessary I'm stuck 425 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:52,520 and I like that because you know that is actually I think the best bit of script in this movie too 426 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,920 well that was okay that second one was my first quote my second one uh I went for just copycat 427 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:05,480 full Nick Cage quote it's Jimeno and McLaughlin when they're first just starting to talk they you 428 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,480 know it's like the second scene of them underground and they're just going back and forth and Jimeno's 429 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:15,720 like you're not a big talker talker are you no well gee you gotta give me something cuz 430 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,760 I can't because my knees are crushed again that's why I can't fucking talk 431 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:32,600 which was the most cage scene out of both these films yeah I could definitely see like a person's 432 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:38,920 patience just being worn thin by somebody just yammering at them like and I know they gotta talk 433 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:46,280 to like keep themselves occupied and focused but if like you're fucking crushed under all of that 434 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:53,320 concrete and like bones are broken you're bleeding internally and you know you're dying and some 435 00:45:53,320 --> 00:46:01,240 assholes just like talking to you about space frogs and shit I don't know you never talked 436 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:06,440 about space frogs no but oh my god so oh we still have to decide which one of these wins 437 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,480 yeah I think we're at that point I don't really have any other it's not World Trade Center I don't 438 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:17,240 want to watch this again yeah World Trade Center in my opinion is a bad movie it's not a good it's 439 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:24,040 not good I agree I mean it's not fine to watch people shouldn't watch it no it's all a lie and 440 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:29,640 it's just well it is it's big American propaganda and it's a big rah rah let's all go to war has uh 441 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,600 the weirdest but I will say the weirdest part of this film for me is when it cuts to the rest of 442 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:40,120 the world watching this and everyone's like America and everyone's like freaking out and you see like 443 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:46,280 every other country and it's like old news footage from everything else including this one scene they 444 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:52,280 have in Japan where they're what Japan's watching it live it would have been nighttime in Japan and 445 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,880 the footage they showed was during the day so it wasn't live so it is a fucking lie yeah it's all 446 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:04,280 a conspiracy it's I hesitate to say it's a conspiracy it's a fucking cover-up though what 447 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,480 was in those buildings that the government didn't want us to see I bet it was hunter biden's laptop 448 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:16,280 all right that joke out there uh so yes that was World Trade Center in the frozen ground the frozen 449 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,120 ground goes forward it had better acting had a more compelling script it's a more watchable 450 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:28,680 movie it's a more watchable movie um so yeah next week we've got a palette cleanser the last of our 451 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:35,240 eight and nine seeds national treasure book of secrets against the sorcerer's apprentice 452 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:44,440 and also we will have our first guest on the podcast so good good good I mean are we gonna 453 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:50,680 are we gonna broadcast that uh forehand if he doesn't show we just rag on him for five 454 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,640 minutes yeah we make fun of that and then we move on okay you hear that perfect you hear that if you 455 00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:02,440 don't come on our show we're gonna make fun of you yeah yeah you gotta come good night everybody 456 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:08,840 yeah so uh please god thank you for making it through this episode like share and subscribe 457 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,960 yeah tell your friends we need some word of mouth uh we're not desperate or anything but we'd like 458 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,640 word of mouth tell me what theories you've got down in the comments in the comments I want to 459 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:23,800 hear yeah someday actually somebody drop down in the comments and tell me where to find the 460 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,200 comments because I don't know where I'm looking that seems like a conspiracy in and of itself 461 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,720 yeah are people talking about this huh who fucking knows 462 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,760 all songs are weirdly horny if you know you listen to them the right way I think in particular this 463 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:44,120 dave one I mean all dave songs are super horny yeah that's probably true keeps going with the 464 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:50,920 I'll come into you yeah and it's like like okay a little heavy-handed are those the actual lines 465 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:56,280 yeah dear god crash into me and I'll come into you I thought that was about the time he like 466 00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:15,160 you let all his poop out in the uh yeah yeah yeah what a classic classic dmv move