Oh God. Oh, all right. Here's a quick correction.
400 million is the number I was trying to think
for like, it costs $400 million to make this
whole show. I mean, that does feel high, but
not like crazy. After having to pretty much recolorize
the whole thing, it came out to about $400 million.
$400 million is a lot for a TV show that runs
on a single streaming service. Like the world
of... Two. MGM Plus. So yeah, a single streaming
service. Yeah, right. Huh. Welcome back to Cage
Magical and Roundabout with me, Nicholas Cage.
I'm Sean, here with... Peter. And me, Nick. Nah.
And we're back. This is Spider Noir 7 and 8.
Yeah. These are the last two episodes of this
show, and I'm kind of sad about it. I have enjoyed
it so far. Yeah, it was a ride. We finally get
some like proper spider and about. Mm hmm. And
somebody gets stabbed in the eye. Oh, yeah. I
hate any eye stuff. Yeah, me too. uh we start
off this episode with some uh some good old -fashioned
nicholas cage drunk acting oh no we start out
with cat reflecting on the men that she's entangled
her life with playing the piano oh that's right
with the dentist and yeah and thinking back about
lon or not lonnie flint and how he pushed her
away and then like seducing ben yeah but then
she pushes ben away and he gets angry and she
like slams it and then silvermane sends his i
mean she doesn't so much push him away she betrays
him and then he gets like cut up well she doesn't
know he gets cut up but she betrays him and then
uh silvermane and his crew show up and they're
tell her about how the doc was making monsters
and so they burn the place down And then Silvermane
sends his goons out to cause havoc. And then
he turns to the camera. He's like, you love it.
You know you do. And I do. I do love it. Now
it's Spider -Man or Ben sitting in a bar. Describing
how spider legs work. He sends out the supers
to go fuck up the mayor's shit. Yeah, he's like,
go on, go out, cause havoc. Cause havoc. Fuck
with the mayor. I think one of the things I liked
about this scene, though, is it's like. Kat is
given some sass back to Silvermane. And I like
that they have like a certain level of respect,
even though Silvermane could just fucking kill
her. Yeah. But yeah, it's an interesting dynamic.
But she's not a total sycophant. Right. And I
guess that, to her point, is why he keeps her
around. Yeah. He likes power. Yeah. Respects
it. But anyway, then Ben gets drunk as fuck.
Yeah. Ben gets drunk, talks about how spider
legs work. hydraulics yeah just like a crazy
party straws how many people do you think secretly
know ben is the spider oh my god i mean there
was that scene later yeah with janet but yeah
he seems like he's bad at keeping a secret yep
spiders a lot yeah sure I feel like the 30s were
full of fucking weirdos, though. Yeah. And there's
no Internet to spread these things around. Nobody
has cameras in their pockets all the time. No
one knew what autism was. Yeah. No one knows
autism. It's all bootleg hooch. So it's probably,
you know, fucking burning people's brains out.
Yeah, it's got wormwood in it and shit. Everyone's
fucking tripping balls. Heavily ethanolized.
Yeah. But then then some dock workers come in
flashing about the money that. silvermane's goons
have been thrown about and talking about how
you know the spider's a chump oh yeah i guess
we blew over the scene where megawatt and uh
sandman go tear up uh the mayor's election headquarters
yeah and they're counting a lot of fucking money
that's a lot of money yeah that's some dirty
person money that is dirty person money for sure
but yeah they take all his money beat up some
cops and then they get away I did like that they
beat up cops. Yeah. Kat goes to Ben's office
looking for Ben because she heard about the fire.
And then she's just met with Janet. They have
a little talk. Janet starts to work the case.
You can tell she's putting stuff together in
her head. Oh, yeah. And then Kat leaves and Janet
goes looking for Robbie. Boom. Dockside bar.
Ben drunk. Spider talk. Bunch of chuds. A bunch
of money. Yep. uh if i looked at my notes i wouldn't
skip things yeah but that doesn't sound like
us at all that doesn't sound like this podcast
i mean i'm trying to just talk about like scenes
i have stuff to talk about and you know i mean
if people want to know what happens they can
just watch the show well that's never been our
thing also we're gonna spoil this whole show
for you so brevity and uh brevity for this uh
yeah So some dudes show up, they start shit talking.
Ben's all like, well, have you ever considered
that he has feelings and gets tired? And they
just. Yeah. Yeah. And so Ben leaves. puts on
the spider mask and then turns right back around.
And I love that shot of him drunkenly going back
down the stairs. Like it pulls his mask on. It's
like, here comes the fucking spider bitches.
and beats their asses beats the shit out of them
web web web web web yeah the sound effects of
him like flipping them up onto the walls in the
end was great that whole fight like was so good
mostly kind of single camera shot uh the dodging
um just oh it felt so brutal the guy who just
gets hunched across the bar yeah exactly That
guy's dead. I know they never really like expressly
say that Ben is super strong, but you see it
in these little moments where he just like punches
a regular dude and he goes flying or something
like that. It's like, fuck, don't mess with the
spider. Yeah. Strength proportional to in size
to a spider. Crazy. He's so strong. Hydraulic,
hydraulic, hydro limbs. Yeah. Yeah. And then
the bartender pours him another. terrible whiskey
or whatever yeah just sort of loosely peels up
his mask oh my god yeah bartender amon's a good
guy that's right good robbie walks into the the
shit show that is the bar and takes him away
without you know it takes away the antidote so
ben can't keep like moaning and saying that he's
just gonna do it and then it takes him away and
then they reflect on a bench and they talk about
bench stuff Yeah, pretty much. And then they
go to the office and talk to Janet about all
the reveal that he's the spider. And she's like,
what? Yeah. I was also surprised that it wasn't
an open secret with the three of them. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. I mean, I think it is definitely open
with all three of them. It's just who knows in
the three, you know. yeah i do love all the cuts
of all the times janet's just walked into the
office and ben's been like half spidered out
and the one time he's just hanging from the ceiling
with a bottle of hooch in his hand he's like
i'm the spider i'm the spider also but like flat
hand just 90 degree angle flat hand seems like
just the worst way to hang from anything Yeah,
maybe. I do love when he's explaining to Janet
all the shit that happened to him. He's just
like, and then I got cut up and this and blah,
blah, blah. And these things happen. And then
they burned everything down and exploded. We
got an antidote. And then I got plastered. And
Robbie's like, and beat up some dudes at a bar.
He's like, oh, and beat up some guys at a bar.
Yeah. Cat and Flint have a thing. But Flint's
like, I'm a silver main guy now. I'm hench for
life. and it's interesting that cat actually
does love flint yeah like i think that's fine
you know i mean it felt like she was playing
all the cards you know in the earlier episodes
and then it's just like oh no she actually loves
that guy yeah i mean it you know his big sandy
dick exfoliating on the inside such dry dusty
loads I mean, she seems to be the only character
that really has like really want something out
of this whole show. Like she's kind of the one
who drives the entire plot. Yeah. Well, she's
the one who brings the whole case and everything
about. But yeah, she does genuinely care for
Flint, which we find. And, you know, it's because
Flint's always just kind of let her be her and
loves her for the good and the bad. And that's
what she she loves about him. That's tough. Yeah.
And he's like a little pissy at her because he
didn't she didn't trust him to do the murdering
of Silvermane. Yeah. And because he caught her
with Ben back at the. Yeah. The theater that
he first saw her in. But she could at least explain,
like, I'm playing him. Yeah. But yeah, I just
wanted to kill for her. Yeah, that's tough. You
don't want to kill for somebody. So then what?
OK, so Ben makes more antidote from the antidote.
He like divvies it up. Yeah, he just puts it
into vials. Now he just builds in syringe. Syringes.
Yeah, no stretching. Just. Oh, it's literally
just portioning. Yeah, just portioning. Portion
control. Who in that office was doing heroin?
I know. Why did they have so many fucking syringes?
Someone had a kit. Yeah. Well, it's racist to
say it's Robbie. Robbie makes the point that
he wants to like. kind of give lincoln lonnie
uh like a way out doesn't want to just like take
the fight to him like lonnie did him a solid
he wants to you know he wants to give lonnie
the same chance to walk away yeah yeah so when
they hear on the radio that uh the silvermane
crew is like busting up some warehouse full of
the mayor's shit or no the uh the stuff that
cops have seized in the raids he's like let me
talk to lonnie first and then you can spider
out and he's like okay so he talks to lonnie
I was confused by the scene because when we get
to the warehouse, they're just giving cops like
they're just chumming around with cops and giving
them like giving them bottles of booze. Yeah,
they're dirty caps. Yeah, I mean, it's cops.
So clearly these cops are still in the silver
main pocket. Right. And prepared to remain just
cops. They turn against Lonnie in a second. Oh,
yeah. Well, when he doesn't have powers. Yeah.
then he's nothing then he's just a black guy
and then he's just a black guy in the 30s yeah
all right fair racism kicked in yeah exactly
he's no longer a super powered uh he had some
protection because of that yeah now he's just
a minority uh so ben ben jumps in when the talking
doesn't help uh they fight a little bit he tries
to cure lonnie but the needle bends i did like
that he he does this big like hi -yah drop down
onto him and the needle just goes yep it's like
oh fuck before the hi -yah though when they are
fighting like ben's getting up in the rafters
and lonnie's throwing shit at him and then like
ben like scurries away sneaks away and lonnie's
looking at every direction butt up yeah maybe
he's like a pig and he can't look up i don't
know well the last time like he got away because
he slung a door from a car that's lani so they
were on the ground together yeah and he looks
all around but yeah it doesn't look up which
you would think it's based on how the spider
fights people would just look up but what if
you look up and he wasn't up he was down like
he's hiding at your knees And then he uppercuts
you. Speed bags your balls. I would rather, you
know, I would take the educated guess. Yeah,
I mean, I agree with you. There is an issue of
Straczynski's Spider -Man where like a security
guard just looks up once and like Peter's just
there and Peter's like, you're not supposed to
do that. So anyway, then like. Why is Robbie
there? Well, Robbie was there because he was
talking to Lonnie. He was trying to talk. It's
all the still all the still the same fight. Yeah.
This whole fight. All I can think is. All right.
Well, you're not going to break the hide because
bullets can't do it. So you either need to get
him in the eye or the tongue. Dear God, please
let it be the tongue. God in the hill for the
eye. Robbie goes just fucking needle to the eye.
And it is. Oh, yeah. It's pretty brutal watching
a guy. flap around with a needle in his eye i
can't do i i can't do eye drops so watching someone
get stabbed in the eye was rough and those are
wet yeah so then he gets i don't care i don't
like things touching my eyes it just makes me
deeply uncomfortable how do you feel about eyelids
do you have greater problems with eyelids all
the time those are those that's automatic i have
no control over that but like actually you do
have control over that if i've learned anything
you could not to blink you could cut those things
right off okay and then you would never have
anything touching your eyes except eye drops
because your eyes would be really dry all the
time or piss piss would do we do it here yep
that's what's happening now okay you got me off
the story and now we're just doing nick so lonnie
has now been depowered Ben's pretty beat up by
Lonnie. They all steal a police car tight and
escape back to Robbie's place. Yeah, I think
like at this point, Ben's he's not completely
unconscious, but he's yeah, he's fucked up. He
needs to do his recovery pose on the bed. Yeah,
do his little spider. He needs to recharge. Yeah,
he's recharging. The one other important part
of the scene is he loses his webbing during the
fight. He busted it all on the fucking. doc chuds
yeah just web web web web web web refractory
period takes a little while give it time he'll
come back need a nap at a sandwich yeah that's
right never got that sandwich no no but yeah
they go back uh lonnie says he's gonna go to
niagara falls with his mom and takes off with
some money and you get a good shot of him like
walking out into the streets and uh into the
proverbial horizon yeah It's a good arc for Lonnie.
Mm hmm. He's not a bad dude. Yeah, I don't think
he and Flint are necessarily bad guys are just
guys in bad situations. Yeah. And because of
their powers and the kind of ticking clock on
their lives because of said powers, they kind
of throw in in the wrong spot. And, you know.
Yeah. Lonnie doesn't want to work. Yeah. Lonnie
doesn't want to work for anyone. He just wants
to like live his life. And he knows he's on borrowed
time. Where Flint is just like, Flint's like,
I'm a goon. I'm fine with being a goon. You should
come goon with me. let's not use that phrase
we can power goon together brother all night
long just just two brothers gooning yeah it was
the 20s they were still allowed to be goons then
it was it didn't have the connotation yeah you
can stay gooning it's the 20s yeah it's the 30s
whatever i think you can still goon in the 30s
yeah just no gooning now in our 40s oh man i
would die i just bust as fast as possible go
to bed that's why we need the The eyelids and
the water, the eye drops. Gross. For the wetness.
That's kind of the end of this episode. It's
interesting. Of all the episodes, this one flew
by the fastest for me. I think it's because it
was a little more loaded with fights in general.
There's a lot more like fast action shit in there.
Yeah, the pace is picking up for sure. Yeah,
there wasn't as much of that. Like, here's all
the threads that are being pulled around this
entire thing. It's like, oh, shit, it's coming
to a head. Yeah, we're approaching the climax.
Yeah, for sure. After all the goonery, we are
approaching climax. and the episode i think the
only other main thing is the episode does end
with like kind of interstitial split cuts of
silvermane and the mayor kind of like coming
together like not coming together but like their
like ultimate plan as to how because they both
find out that there is a cure for the super for
the soups the mayor wants it to have power over
silvermane silvermane wants it to have power
over his people um so we get the like comic panel
cut of both of them being like get me ben reilly
yeah well the spider is just like laid up in
bed yeah i think it was a strong way to finish
that episode though yeah yeah it's a nice good
visual like feels comic booky and it leads into
this big finale so yep on to episode eight the
man in the mask i forgot it starts off with like
cat and silvermane hanging out at the bar or
no it doesn't there's a little bit later but
i i love that silvermane's just sitting there
like munching down pistachios and all i could
think of was bobo i was like god i love a bobo
he does have big bobo energy he's got bobo energy
for sure just pistachio shells all over the table
exactly there's just a ham -fisted man this one
just kind of generally starts out with lots of
uh flint and megawatt in a car megawatt being
annoying everybody calls him out on being annoying
uh different shots with uh the silvermane and
rig and cat we do get megawatt talking like we
you know i mean this whole show show ever since
he was introduced we kind of he's been the wild
card he's been kind of the one who's who doesn't
seem to care about silvermane at all and just
wants more power for the sake of power yeah he
definitely does not conform he's never been in
silvermane's pocket he just is there any but
he also is the one to point out to uh sandman
that you know silvermane only wants this to control
them like why are you working for you're the
one with powers you're the one who is indestructible
why are why are we the goons why aren't we running
the show yeah we're grab yeah and uh fucking
marco doesn't have an answer because he loves
cat yeah he's got a really gravelly ass voice
Like that actor. I'm impressed. I mean, he's
made of sand. Why wouldn't that? That's right.
That's just really tiny gravel. It was back in
the last episode or two episodes ago when they
bust Megawatt out. One of the cops goes, hey,
man, you look pretty rough. I was like, God,
that's so fucking dumb. Oh, yeah. OK, so, yeah,
that's right. So Kat and Janet now have this
whole. All the information is shared. The antidote
story is going on. They know how much antidote
is left. Kat really wants it to be used on Megawatt
and Sandman. Yeah, she's like, give me the cure.
I'll take care of them. They won't expect me.
Yeah. Yeah. And Janet's like, that's a bad idea.
But Ben's like, that's a great idea. And before
that exchange can be made, Flint and. megawatt
show up because they followed Janet so they know
where they know he's over at Robbie's and they
come pick up Ben. Oh, we get the return of the
kid. Oh yeah, the kid. Oh yeah, the kid. The
kid's kind of come back. He's done his geometries.
Geometricals. He's trying to pick the lock on
their money box. Yeah, I like that kid. Yeah,
he's a good kid. Just curious, that's all. That's
it. He's practicing his skills. Yeah, he does
have that voice. so yeah so then uh ben gets
picked up by megawatt and sandman and robbie
tries to pass off his coat with the antidote
in it but he's unable to unable to they'll keep
him dry yeah cozy yeah uh so yeah and then he
gets dragged back to uh see silvermane and silvermane's
just trying to be like hey get us the spider
on the phone because we want that cure and we
want let bygones be themselves and such yep this
has definitely this was definitely one of my
favorite just interact character interactions
throughout this whole show is when they're uh
negotiating for uh ben like how much you know
to pay ben because ben's like i'm not gonna help
you it's like the mayor the mayor wants something
you want something like we're negotiating and
i think what uh silverman tries to lowball him
uh ben sends 10 000 and there's just this great
back and forth between uh gleason and cage and
i absolutely love and when they finally come
to a number at the end of it uh like silverman's
like to be honest i would have given you ten
thousand and cage is like you know yeah i would
have taken the 100 yeah so uh yep so he calls
makes a call and they're like to get the spider
and it's just robbie on the other side pretending
to be the spider and janet critiquing his ben
voice like what is what is that what is that
voice like i'm doing ben yeah it's a good ben
impression it was pretty good yeah and so they
have to wait for the spider to show up but in
the meantime everybody starts to put it together
megawatt puts it together where he uh like i
knew you from morse argon yeah yeah he's been
like recognizing ben this whole time he's like
where do i know you from yeah so silvermane's
like oh you were at the same place where they
became super so maybe you're the spider so he
concocts this plan to like hold fucking cat with
a gun and be like the spider won't let her die
so if you're the spider then she lives otherwise
oh well and it'd be a real shame if i was wrong
in this But that's when the spider shows up and
Ben gets to say that Silvermane was just showing
them how to kill an innocent woman or something
like that. Right. It was good. All the while
under the table, you got Ben desperately trying
to bust. Trying to bust. Just dry webbing. Just
dry webbing. Oh, gross. Yeah. And then we get
a really good scene of Robbie pretending to be
the spider. He comes in full costume. Yep. Full
voice. He's a real asshole, which is on point.
Yep. And then the idiot goons found Janet outside.
She had the antidote. And so they're like, well,
we've got all the cards now. And Megawatt's like,
ah, I got this. And so he stabs the spider with
an antidote. The second to last antidote. Yeah,
I did have the thought seeing Robbie in the in
the spider suit just for a minute being like,
oh, yeah. What if there wasn't like a 62 year
old man in that suit? That would look real cool.
Yeah. Yeah, it fits Lamar Morris a little bit
better. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think they made a
second costume or just put him in the same one?
That would I mean, that would have been hilarious.
It's like him wearing his dad's clothes, a big
old baggy suit. I. Also feel like they did get
a second hat because the hat does fit the mask
better in the last episode. I noticed it less
after you complained about it. Yeah. Yeah. The
final episodes, they gave him a better hat. Yeah.
Yeah. Or a smaller head. So, yeah, Megawad zaps
him, zaps Robbie. Yeah. Zaps him and stabs him
with the antidote, which what is that going to
do to a normal person? Seems like nothing. Well,
let's find out in season two of Spider Noir.
Only if the show makes $800 million for Amazon.
I think it gives him Ben's psoriasis. Not psoriasis,
cirrhosis. That's the joke I wanted to make.
I smelled what you were stepping in. Yeah. We've
been talking about eczema too much. Yeah. OK,
so, yeah, Robbie goes down as the spider. They
reveal. Yeah, yeah. They pull off the. mask and
everything it's like oh he was the reporter the
whole time and that's when ben gets his powers
back he webs back the antidote starts busting
yeah busting ben's busting again Big fight ensues.
I love the guy with the Tommy gun who comes in
and starts like just gunning down the place.
And Ben does like a ceiling web swing that is
like the lamest spider swing that has ever existed.
To be fair, though, if you're swinging in an
enclosed room, the web doesn't shorten. All right.
It's going to look silly and stupid when you
do the geometricals on it. If you do the geometricals,
you're right. Yeah, so the little fight cat starts
popping off. She's shooting henchmen. Yeah, that's
pretty cool. Silvermane runs out of the room.
I love how slow he is. I mean, it's more of a
shuffle. Yeah, well, he's got a cane. He's an
old man with a cane. Hey, it's ableist of you
to make fun of him. it's interesting it's interesting
because like he is an effective bad guy like
you you definitely feel like he could kill you
at any time but he's also just like an old dude
yeah he's no powers he's just an old opportunistic
gangster you know so like watching him shuffle
off to his like safe house you're like oh right
yeah you can die but before that all kicks off
just the tense like when they're all sitting
at the table together just the low shots of um
ben talking to silvermane you have those shots
of just like silvermane's giant fist on the table
and ben in the background just dwarfing him from
the camera angles are so good and they're lit
so well just this whole last episode visually
was so astounding definitely yeah they nailed
it with the camera work in in this episode just
like they did with last episode yeah so let's
talk about that because like the next big thing
is that cat chases silvermane down into his like
menagerie i love the sequence so good the those
overhead like resident evil shots of like them
moving through the mirror maze the mirror maze
is so good i do appreciate in episode two when
we see kat performing that whole thing is behind
her so it's not just like why does this fucker
have a mirror maze random yeah yeah so it was
uh and just her shooting mirrors it like shattering
and you getting multiple reflections of them
like over each other just such good like such
a good love letter to like old hollywood definitely
yeah uh so then i guess i mean ultimately she
shoots enough of the mirrors away that it's just
the two of them standing there yeah and he's
like you wouldn't do it and then he he like this
little like cane knife out yeah as if he's gonna
charge her or something and she's just like and
so cold too i know boy yeah the way she takes
him out that was uh he shouldn't have killed
her fucking dentist yeah yeah although she came
out of it with perfectly fine teeth that's true
We forgot to mention when they're doing the whole
questioning of Ben as the spider. Cat finally
like just admits everything to try and get it
off Ben. She was the one who tried to like have
Silvermane killed that she did it for Marco.
She loves him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So everybody's
come clean to everybody about everything at this
point. So then we get back up onto the street.
Outside of the alcoves. The goon fight has been
dragged out into the streets. We get the actual
superhero fight. Ben takes a bit to put on the
spider costume because we need a body double
for Nick Cage. But this is where the episode
mildly breaks down for me. It's just like, at
this point, Marco and Megawatt are kicking the
shit out of Spider -Man or the spider. And all
I can think is... Why is Marco doing this? Yeah,
I mean. You could get bloodlust. I don't know.
None of none of this has affected him yet, though.
The only reason he was working for Silvermane
was to save Cat. Silvermane just threatened to
kill Cat. And now like she's going after Silvermane
and Marco knows there's an antidote. And it's
just like just going to go just going to go have
a punch up because maybe he doesn't like mouthy
guys. Yeah. Maybe he doesn't like guys who tried
to steal his girl. Maybe we just haven't been
given a strong enough character moment for him
to turn back. Maybe Cat needs to show up and
try to shoot Megawatt, but she's out of bullets,
so Megawatt goes to shock her to death. Maybe
that's enough for him. Maybe he could step in
at this moment. He gives her the shocker. The
shocker. We've been doing it so long. You gotta
get the shocker. Oh, my God. OK, so let's talk
about the fight because the fight is pretty fucking
good. It's a good fight. It's pretty good. I
mean, they're all over the place. They're really
wild. I mean, Megawad is so over the top. He's
so theatrical. He's such a douchebag. Talks about
his moment on Broadway. The people of New York
are just. hanging out they like they boo him
at one point i love that classic new york it's
like are you not entertained and it's like boo
you suck go yankees nobody is concerned about
this at all no not at all they're all just sort
of like a classic uh saturday night you know
now to be fair the last time that these goons
showed up in public they started giving out money
so i would hang around for a little bit that's
a good point there could be money involved yeah
maybe maybe they've got some spare tommy guns
laying around you never know yeah i haven't had
a tommy gun yet i don't know maybe i want it
maybe yeah I haven't tried that side of life
yet. We'll find out what that one couple thinks
of it. I wish they were there. I know. I am disappointed
that that did not get a third appearance. I was
bummed they didn't come back. I thought about
that. I was looking for him. So I was really
hoping that they were going to be there at some
point. Yeah. Disappointing. Yeah. They have a
good punch up. Good punch up. Megawatts like
zapping the shit out of him. Flint is punching
the shit out of him. Smashes his head into a
car. Like looks gruesome. Yeah. Like some of
the mask off. We get a weird Nicolas Cage head
on not Nicolas Cage's body for a second. Oh,
yeah. Battle damage body. OK, so what happens?
So Megawatt gets injured or something. There's
like a moment where it's just Flint and the spider.
What happened there? Well, the spider took the
two cars and he slammed it. This is at that moment
where everything's kind of what led to that.
Because, like, why wasn't Megawatt right in that?
action oh they all got like thrown into oh the
marquee and everybody was kind of dazed for a
second right so then it's flint versus the spider
yeah and he gets the two cars yeah and he like
slams them which is really cool because then
he goes full sand yeah it was amazing and uh
everybody's just kind of recovering after that
megawatt starts drawing energy directly from
like currents yeah yeah and cat's like uh but
she's out of bullets and so that's when megabot's
like i'm gonna kill you too because i can kill
anybody so he zaps her so he starts zapping but
then uh it just kind of like zaps her like to
knock her down ish but then sandy is sandy sandy
mandy also during this fight uh we lose all but
one of the antidotes at this point yeah exactly
we're down to the the final one final vial because
one got used on uh robbie then there were because
there were three left one for all the supers
right uh one got used on robbie and then the
one the spider was using to try and fight with
got destroyed as well so there's only one yeah
yeah out of his hand crushed in his hand yeah
yeah um he's like oh no when that happened yeah
and so sandman like intervenes um fighting megawatt
but he's getting glassed because of electricity
and that was so cool that was a cool concept
i was sad when his little hand broke off but
uh i was also sad when he showed him healed later
he had all of his hands yeah i was like yeah
he could have had one less hand it would have
been okay um not a jerk with the left but yeah
you know we all suffer he's got cat for that
hey there you go he's got his gal uh then while
he's like shocking sandman you know the spider
intervenes uh starts getting shocked through
the webs that he's holding megawatt back with
but then he fucking swings him out and throws
him in front of that train and that was so cool
best way to like take out this end of this guy
hit by a train yep and the people loved it yeah
everybody cheers it's good it's happy and spider
gives cat the final antidote to do with as she
pleases which is clearly to heal fix flint yeah
fast forward everything's cool right we have
silvermane's funeral silvermane's funeral with
nobody there except for flint and cat and ben
ben in the background but he gets to be a total
dick super dick so good that's great rightfully
fucking so i mean i i don't disagree with you
i think that was exactly how it should have gone
but oh i would have chosen you had he not been
in the picture it's like oh hey get fucked yeah
right and she tells him to go to hell and he's
like i'll keep a space warm for you yeah yeah
i love that that's good stuff okay so yeah he's
he's a dick to cat cat's a dick back uh -huh
and that's the end of their arc yeah yeah then
we just get a nice one has two fucking hands
tie up uh in the office yeah ben and janet are
now co yeah co -owners or whatever of the it's
both of their detective agency now yeah riley
ruiz yeah which i feel like is a nice way to
finish it you know it kind of has that like door
gets closed and the light casts through it so
that you know the name of their business is cast
on the ground yeah and you can see it you can
see it right way instead of backwards yeah that's
fine yeah just we'll go with it yeah it's good
for the thematic you know element that it was
just like oh man my favorite lighting scene at
the bar with the light coming in through the
fan so it just breaks up the background that
way oh yeah really nice really nice oh yeah that
just that that just industrial fan on the back
wall Yeah, all the man. I mean, because that's
the end of the show. I mean, all the visuals
in this are really, really strong. Yeah, I think,
you know, for for a TV show, for a superhero
show like they did a great job setting that noir
feeling. I mean, it's really beautifully shot.
Yeah, I would say I don't have any complaints
about the show. Yeah, the scenery is tight. The
costuming is great. The cinematography is terrific.
acting is solid like the storyline is good it's
it's tight you know they threw a bunch of storylines
out there and weave them together really effectively
i mean yeah i don't know if i just took a a second
to get used to the graphics in it but yeah i
didn't really have any problems with it in the
beginning I think it's just one of those things.
It's like a TV show is never going to look as
sharp as a movie, right? You know, like she Hulk
attorney at law. I really liked that show, but
the special effects cost a fucking fortune and
didn't look that great. You know, so I enjoyed
the whole thing. The one thing, if I could, if
I could change one thing about this show is.
i really love in the opening credits all the
shots of the spider are kind of done at like
a slightly slower frame rate so they look like
more like a maquette i would have loved a little
bit of that in the show um rather than interesting
rubbery uh cg uh the too smooth cg look yeah
because i mean you think about like um into the
spider verse too there's a lot of that kind of
like frame breaking kind of um it's as if the
frame rate is slower for the like tight animation
because it is you know cells of a comic book
and i think that could have played well for what
they were trying to do with the homage to 20s
filmmaking yeah like harryhausen that shit a
bit like just add a little bit of a filter i
think it would have made it i it would have made
the rubbery rubberiness a little less noticeable
yeah well they could have just you know pumped
up the budget and then shot this whole thing
on film also there's that too i mean yeah they're
already spending 400 million why not spend 450
million yeah right i knew i mean if this is our
biggest complaint about this show that's pretty
telling right yeah like i think this fucking
hit and it's a shame that it probably will never
get a sequel series you know but i do appreciate
because the show is such a big swing i do appreciate
that the showrunners That's my second one. Your
inadvertent jokes are way better than the joke
we heard last week to open up last week's episode.
Yes, last week. I don't even remember what that
was. Something about Spider -Man -Man -Men. Yeah.
Spider -Man? Spider -Man -Man -Men. It's raining
Spider -Mans. And you're about to get webbed.
Web, web, web. Web, web, web. what was he saying
web i thought he was saying thwap no he was saying
but he was saying web he was saying web yeah
um This was I'll say this. This was a show I
did not have to use subtitles on. I watched the
whole thing without subtitles and I loved it.
I actually felt because there was one episode
I watched without it and realized that I had
watched a full TV show without subtitles on.
It was like, whoa. Yeah. Look at me. Yeah, it
comes across real nice. I've got that reverse
aging special power. My ears work. Oh, don't
tell Ogden. He's going to come for your liver
butts. Sorry, Ogden. Bloods. Liver butts? Yeah.
It's fine. That's how you get to the liver, right?
Through the butt? Yeah. I think everything gets
there through the butt. Eventually. Yeah. If
your gloves are deep enough. Long enough. Gross.
The human body. Just a tube. Yeah. Well, that's
it. No, I'm kidding. What were we talking about?
Spider Noir. Episode 8. I just got distracted
thinking about that old Bloodhound Gang song.
you and me baby yeah isn't that where they talk
about like snakes are just like a really long
pussy wait no what am i thinking about yeah i
mean i'm sure that's bloodhound where have i
heard is that guar fucking a snake something
about fucking a snake fucking an animal maybe
it is fucking an animal yeah yeah that's a guar
song okay no i remember what i was gonna say
uh i really do appreciate that given the fact
that the show was you know long odds that we'd
get a they didn't leave anything, any hangling
threat, any hanging threads. There's no, like
this person was secretly in the background or
was like, Ooh, next season. They're just like,
this is probably not going to get a second season.
We are just going to wrap this up and leave the
characters in a place where they can pick up.
But if the show doesn't get a second season.
There's never going to be a, oh, but what, what,
what would have happened? Yeah, exactly. Like
the biggest, what would have happened is like,
what would the spider do in the city? What would
Ben and Janet do in their business? You know,
who, who fills the power void? If this does get
a second season, who do you, what classic Spider
-Man villain do you want to see? 19, 1930s. Do
you want to see Noir? I want a like steampunk
Doc Ock. steampunk doc ock would be fucking cool
and actually i think in the same way like a steampunk
green goblin could play out pretty cool yeah
yeah although i guess modern versions of green
goblin have gotten more like tech i think this
would be a great mysterio opportunity oh yeah
he's always been my favorite so i'll always advocate
for mysterio but this would be a good one because
it would play really well with all the like smoke
and mirrors kind of special effects things yeah
for sure that'd be cool that would be really
cool rhino would be a pretty cool one oh he's
so good for like bank robbery shit and everything
yeah yeah oh you could do craven as like a ringling
brothers like barnum and bailey yeah that would
be fun yeah i could like that too that and you
could bring in rhino that way as one of his like
instead of instead of him trying to hunt uh you
know be the world's greatest hunter he's just
trying to like get a menagerie of like freaks
and like animal people to like take on the road
that'd be cool oh i did like when nick cage was
making fun of the the three of them in silvermane's
office and he brought up that like 1930s movie
freaks oh yeah the google gobble one of us one
of us the leaper that would be a good one i don't
know the leaper yeah he jumps Okay. He's a French
guy who jumps. He's a French guy who jumps around.
He was briefly seen in one of the Spider -Man
movies. Was it Spider -Man or Avengers? Captain
America. Captain America, yeah. Civil War. When
they were on the boat or something. I don't know.
Got it. He leaps around. He does parkour and
kicks. Cool. Yep. He's such a dumb... But also
French. What do you want me to say? The wall?
Yeah, okay. Let's bring back the wall. He was
just a brick wall. I mean, sure, why not? What
would a noir Venom be like? Spider noir Venom
be like? Full color. Mostly just because I want
to see... Yes, make the black and white character
full color. They'll never know. I would love
the chance to see evil Nick Cage talk to normal
Nick Cage. I mean, there'd be an interesting
aspect to that. Like if you think about the sort
of Tom Hardy venom instances that we've gotten
to see, it's like, if you played some of that
with him discussing things with himself and fighting
this inner demon and that could be pretty cool
actually. Yeah. I think there's more thematically
appropriate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're just going
through the rogues gallery. Yeah. So, um, yeah,
I think my favorites would be, rhino doc ock
mysterio mysterio or maybe we get instead of
doc ock the lizard and we kind of get that sort
of like yeah that works uh intention to cure
himself kind of keep that moving as he's looking
for a cure right um but who knows do you think
robbie gets spider powers well so that's what
i'm curious about right like i made the joke
about cirrhosis of the liver but like what would
happen if you got like the antidote put into
you yeah as i mean he got his powers from being
bitten by the man spider so if does his blood
give normal people powers but it seems like the
antidote was concocted specifically just to erase
the mutation yeah no it probably does nothing
yeah i think it just isolates yeah isolates the
neck yeah i'm just spitballing cool stuff that
they could do Totally, yeah. I mean, the interesting
and sad aspect of this is that we probably will
never find out what they would do with the ability,
you know? Or, you know, if this has good enough
reviews, which it has done very well in that
regard, I mean, Amazon, I don't know if they
make any money on these kinds of things. Probably
not. How do they quantify it? Nobody fucking
knows. It's a black box. I mean, they run ads
now, which I find infinitely annoying. Very,
very annoying to break the flow of that show.
if it did well enough in a, a claim kind of way,
which it seems like there's no reason that they're,
they couldn't then decide to make a movie. Like
if they can sink $400 million into a TV show,
they could probably sink $400 million into a
movie, get some more real world data, you know?
Yeah. I would go see a spider noir movie. Oh,
hell yeah. I like it better as a serial. Yeah,
I would much prefer $400 million for eight more
episodes. Me too. Yeah. Then $400 million for
an hour and a half. They'd get us a solid hour
45. Yeah. But still, I'd rather have that long
form. And I think Cage appreciated being able
to stretch out this character. I do too. It's
kind of cool to see as a guy who has exclusively
been. movies you know embracing that one role
for that one period of time i don't know i think
it's kind of cool to see him in this and i'm
excited that he's going to do uh mind oh not
minor but uh the talks of him doing fifth season
of true detective yeah right that would be really
cool um has there like other than the initial
rumor has there been any more talk about that
i don't know last thing i saw was like it's all
just like his people are talking to their people
and like, we'll see what happens if it happens.
Right. He did a good job in this. I think he's
really over the top. He's a cartoon character.
He's also very serious. He's Humphrey Bogart.
I mean, it was cool. It was a fun experience.
Yeah. I'm sad that it's done. It's going to be
one of those shows that I will, I will rewatch
this at least two more times. I feel like at
least two. I really wish they would have released
this weekly. i would i would fully agree i think
we said it back in our second episode but you
know that that like big cliffhanger of you know
who got shot at the end of the episode and then
immediately you're 20 seconds later you're watching
it and it's like man fuck yeah it would have
been fun to have to like think about it you know
yeah yeah even though we probably would guess
the correct answer maybe not sure but you know
yeah i don't know i think that serialized television
deserves to be watched in a paste release how
did we not how we got all the way to the wrap
up and we didn't even talk about the two idiot
henchmen standing outside of the uh the laboratory
before silvermane left oh yeah pudge and the
other guy and they're just like i i think i got
something in my teeth and he's like yeah you
got something in your teeth he's like well does
it make me look stupid yeah it makes you look
stupid and they're like trying to figure it out
he just sort of like sneaks by yeah i just love
idiot henchmen those guys they're so good they're
good they're good dopes i like when one of them's
just sleeping in the car yeah every scene they're
in they do a good job i i want to pay attention
to them so i hope they survive to that shootout
and they go on to work for some other big bad
villain how many folks did uh the spider glass
in this show because that was his go -to move
it was web a bottle smash someone in the head
with it Oh yeah. A good like three or four times.
It was at least three. Yeah. I mean, that's a
good classic move. Yeah. I've never had a bottle
bashed into my brain, but like, I feel like it
would not feel good and it would probably take
me down. Mythbusters did this. It's not, it's
not good. Your brain, your brain gets jostled
bad. Yeah. I believe it. Glass bottles can actually
put up with a lot of pain, but you know, glass
bottles made out of sugar. Less so. Different.
Yeah. If it's going to immediately explode. Yeah.
But that's because he had that super force. Super
force. Yeah. All right. Final thoughts. Last
words. Good show. Go watch it. Yeah. Yeah. I
agree. Thanks for going on this journey. We're
going to be back at our normal cadence here coming
up in July when we have Daryl back on for the
beef episode, which is going to be great. beef
uh if you were interested which is actually called
what um i don't even remember uh time to kill
nope that was that bad yeah we've done it um
what was uh what was the hayden christiansen
one again outcast outcast i had someone the other
day i had someone the other day be like oh sean
i was thinking about you the other day because
i saw this nick cage movie that you probably
haven't heard about i'm like but go on. It was
called, it was like, it was called Outcast. I'm
like, is that the one with Hayden Christians?
He's like, yeah. I'm like, yeah, fucking seen
it. Yeah. The idea, the audacity that anyone
would come to us at this point and be like, I
bet I know a Nick Cage movie that you don't know.
It's like, I bet you don't. I bet you are thinking
of one that I've already forgotten about. Guaranteed.
I will remember it as you say it to me. Yeah.
But I don't think about it. It takes up zero
space in mine. Is it never on a Tuesday? Unless
it's never on a Tuesday. No, you haven't. I do
think about never on a Tuesday. I think that
I think about that movie way more than I probably
should. Yeah. Every once in a while, I'm on the
cage match Reddit and just like talking shit
and talking about cage stuff. And every so often,
never on Tuesday comes up and I'm like, yes,
what a dumb movie. I love that fucking piece
of shit. So we'll be returning to that. Yeah.
Back in action with the beef one, which I don't
know. I need to look for a score to settle. I
need to know. A score to settle. Boom. I did
it. Yeah. Good job, Nick's brain. I knew it had
something to do with beefing. Yeah. You got there.
And it couldn't be a fart related joke. Beef?
Beef? You think I've got beef? okay anyway thank
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I will make sure I put that on there. Neat. We're
holding you to that. Yeah. It's about time you
finally do something for this show. I still have
to finish that Marvel intro. That's going to
be good. I think we've all got some work to do.
Yeah. That's worse than saying NyQuil. No, NyQuil.
NyQuil's great. I fucking love NyQuil. Yeah,
I prefer Tussin. Have you ever robo -tripped?
I've never robo -tripped. You should try it.
You've talked about robo -tripping. I've never
robo -tripped. You should. You should do it.
You got nothing going on. You're not leaving
the house today. Go get yourself some DM. Yeah.
Put on your jammies or a robot costume. I highly
recommend doing it dressed as a robot. Do I have
a robot costume? I don't. I need a robot costume.
What are you even doing with your life? You're
what, like 42, 41? 41 for a couple more months.
Yeah. Get yourself a robot costume. It's high
time. Yeah. It is high time.