WEBVTT 00:00:01.710 --> 00:00:25.010 Oh, God. I got home from my Pathfinder game last 00:00:25.010 --> 00:00:28.350 night and stopped in at a tap room to see my 00:00:28.350 --> 00:00:32.670 friend Kindra. hockey was playing on the big 00:00:32.670 --> 00:00:35.810 tv and i was just like when when did they all 00:00:35.810 --> 00:00:37.649 have gay sex that's that's what hockey's about 00:00:37.649 --> 00:00:39.729 right that's what the internet has told me hockey 00:00:39.729 --> 00:00:41.729 is about i mean i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure 00:00:41.729 --> 00:00:43.670 all sports have been a little bit gay forever 00:00:43.670 --> 00:00:45.570 but they've just claimed that they're not which 00:00:45.570 --> 00:00:48.369 is really stupid it's like yeah let's just pretend 00:00:48.369 --> 00:00:51.049 that there have been no gays ever because it's 00:00:51.049 --> 00:00:53.520 inconvenient for our narrative They touch a lot 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:55.659 of butts in sports. Easier and more accessible. 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:58.600 I think hockey is one of the few sports where 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.240 you have the least amount of like sexualizable 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:05.599 body parts shown during game. During games. Yes. 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:07.980 Yeah. There's a reason why they take their helmets 00:01:07.980 --> 00:01:10.480 off so they can fight. There's they are not allowed 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:12.400 to wear face masks. So, you know, the mouth is 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.640 always exposed. I did see a guy. I did. It's 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:17.780 actually the opposite. They're very allowed to 00:01:17.780 --> 00:01:20.420 wear face masks. It's just that none of them 00:01:20.420 --> 00:01:24.209 want to. Is that right? yeah wow that's so dumb 00:01:24.209 --> 00:01:28.250 they had to actually enforce like the visors 00:01:28.250 --> 00:01:30.609 and some of them are grandfathered in the last 00:01:30.609 --> 00:01:34.730 guy to be grandfathered in without a visor like 00:01:34.730 --> 00:01:37.510 retired recently that's amazing some guys like 00:01:37.510 --> 00:01:40.750 push it to where it's only like barely covering 00:01:40.750 --> 00:01:43.269 like halfway down the eyes it's pushed back so 00:01:43.269 --> 00:01:46.890 far i saw a guy catch a fucking puck to the teeth 00:01:46.890 --> 00:01:51.420 the other night yeah an 87 miler Yeah, the photos 00:01:51.420 --> 00:01:53.659 of him because he suited up for the next game. 00:01:54.579 --> 00:01:58.900 He's wearing a full cage and his nose looks like 00:01:58.900 --> 00:02:01.620 it was stitched back on completely. Holy shit. 00:02:01.819 --> 00:02:05.579 Yeah, it's crazy. I feel like there's no chance 00:02:05.579 --> 00:02:08.219 I would play that sport without protection. Yeah. 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:12.000 Yeah, the women are a lot smarter and they either 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:16.080 have to wear like full face. Like Plexi or. You 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:17.800 could have just ended with the women are a lot 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:21.020 smarter in most sentences. Yeah. Most paragraphs 00:02:21.020 --> 00:02:23.620 could end there. Yeah. I could never figure out 00:02:23.620 --> 00:02:25.800 how to make a sandwich the way they make a sandwich. 00:02:26.060 --> 00:02:29.159 Like they just got it where it counts. You know, 00:02:29.259 --> 00:02:30.819 I tell you. I walked into that one. Those women. 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.060 You did. You did kind of fall into that trap. 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:36.439 I did set them up. Set them up, knock them down. 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:41.819 Yeah. Yeah. See. Hey, we get an explanation as 00:02:41.819 --> 00:02:44.500 to why he talks that way. yeah fucking yeah good 00:02:44.500 --> 00:02:47.479 on me i fucking called that one i called my shot 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:50.439 early uh so welcome back to cage magical and 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:52.419 roundabout way meeting nicholas cage i'm sean 00:02:52.419 --> 00:03:00.080 say and i'm here with my co -host nick yeah and 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:06.129 our producer Peter. Nipples. My nipples. Nipples 00:03:06.129 --> 00:03:11.349 and chon productions. Oh, yeah, chon. I want 00:03:11.349 --> 00:03:13.729 I OK, I tried to watch a little bit of the show 00:03:13.729 --> 00:03:19.409 in color this go around and I wanted to look 00:03:19.409 --> 00:03:22.300 more like Dick Tracy. if it's gonna be in color 00:03:22.300 --> 00:03:24.919 i want it to be more i want it to be more like 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:27.780 over the top a little more i will say yeah i 00:03:27.780 --> 00:03:30.300 will correct myself uh i did find out i was wrong 00:03:30.300 --> 00:03:32.860 about not over correcting color uh last time 00:03:32.860 --> 00:03:35.960 because they a lot of their interior backgrounds 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.360 were like hot pink and like actually painted 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:43.759 for extreme shadow and in the 11th hour they 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:49.329 recolorized the entire show ew why yeah huh Because 00:03:49.329 --> 00:03:52.849 people won't watch Black and White. Oh, yeah. 00:03:53.669 --> 00:03:55.330 I mean, I don't think we're getting another season 00:03:55.330 --> 00:03:57.129 of this because this show wound up costing like 00:03:57.129 --> 00:03:59.330 hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce. 00:04:00.729 --> 00:04:02.409 Well, hopefully more than hundreds of thousands. 00:04:02.530 --> 00:04:04.270 Yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce 00:04:04.270 --> 00:04:06.530 sounds pretty cheap. Hundreds of millions because 00:04:06.530 --> 00:04:09.030 they had to recolorize the entire show. Yeah. 00:04:09.270 --> 00:04:11.210 Well, maybe they'll just do all future stuff 00:04:11.210 --> 00:04:12.270 in Black and White. Yeah, it seems like they 00:04:12.270 --> 00:04:15.330 fucked themselves on that, but yeah. I mean, 00:04:15.349 --> 00:04:17.879 if this is all we get. i think it ends on a great 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:21.259 note i agree but we're not there yet no but i 00:04:21.259 --> 00:04:23.139 do know people who just straight up i mean we 00:04:23.139 --> 00:04:24.540 talked about this last time will not watch something 00:04:24.540 --> 00:04:26.740 in black and white yeah it's true and that's 00:04:26.740 --> 00:04:30.459 too bad because it does look best that way particularly 00:04:30.459 --> 00:04:32.740 these two episodes which are really the most 00:04:32.740 --> 00:04:34.899 horror show shit that we get this entire show 00:04:34.899 --> 00:04:39.160 yeah so up front we're gonna spoil everything 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:42.399 uh if you don't know that yet you should you 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:44.759 haven't been listening to us we're gonna just 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.540 run through the plot line for episodes five and 00:04:46.540 --> 00:04:50.040 six of spider noir and um i mean up off the top 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.160 if you don't know nick cage plays ben reilly 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:56.959 um aka the spider moran morris plays his buddy 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.680 and photographer friend and reporter robbie robertson 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:02.899 his name is joe robbie robertson robertson yeah 00:05:03.310 --> 00:05:07.430 Lin Jun Lee, John Lee plays. Thank you. I got 00:05:07.430 --> 00:05:11.490 it on tech. Take number two plays. Why do I want 00:05:11.490 --> 00:05:15.269 to call her cat power? Cat power would be cool, 00:05:15.329 --> 00:05:19.470 though. Brendan Gleeson plays the big bad Silvermane. 00:05:19.610 --> 00:05:21.730 I don't remember who plays Flint Marco, but he's 00:05:21.730 --> 00:05:24.629 there. He has a sick little mustache, little 00:05:24.629 --> 00:05:28.250 mustache. Yeah, there's a guy who is Tombstone. 00:05:28.250 --> 00:05:31.269 And there's also a guy who is Megawatt. Is it 00:05:31.269 --> 00:05:34.480 OK? So my friend. and i got into this my friend 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:38.399 pointed out like he's got scaly like face is 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:39.860 he just supposed to be the lizard have we just 00:05:39.860 --> 00:05:42.939 been dumb no they call him tombstone yeah and 00:05:42.939 --> 00:05:46.420 you know they shoot him and it doesn't penetrate 00:05:46.420 --> 00:05:49.240 his study i'm just trying to figure out why he 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:51.860 has the like no i think it's just a silly character 00:05:51.860 --> 00:05:54.740 design yeah so okay so one of the big things 00:05:54.740 --> 00:05:56.759 that's revealed through this entire two episode 00:05:56.759 --> 00:06:00.269 arc is that They all are part of this like German 00:06:00.269 --> 00:06:03.250 World War One experimentation thing, right? You 00:06:03.250 --> 00:06:05.730 know, the Germans are fucking with crazy shit 00:06:05.730 --> 00:06:10.069 and using POWs to test it on. They show all these 00:06:10.069 --> 00:06:14.050 people with like organic creatures being infused. 00:06:14.610 --> 00:06:17.149 But then the big bads that we have are an electricity 00:06:17.149 --> 00:06:21.189 guy, a fire guy who dies in episode one, a stone 00:06:21.189 --> 00:06:24.529 guy and a sand guy. OK, electricity guy could 00:06:24.529 --> 00:06:26.709 be like an electric eel. Yeah, they do say electric 00:06:26.709 --> 00:06:30.259 eel. Yeah, I think there was some like a shot 00:06:30.259 --> 00:06:32.100 with an eel. There was a shot with an eel. And 00:06:32.100 --> 00:06:35.139 Ben Reilly brings it up at some point, but I 00:06:35.139 --> 00:06:37.480 think it was just an eel man. The evil scientist, 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:40.300 when she's describing, is like, they were, you 00:06:40.300 --> 00:06:43.959 know, their blood was mixed with animals. Beat. 00:06:44.410 --> 00:06:49.629 And other things. And minerals. There was a hand 00:06:49.629 --> 00:06:51.750 -waved line in there somewhere about how like, 00:06:51.829 --> 00:06:53.949 oh, wait, let's make sure. I just feel like they 00:06:53.949 --> 00:06:57.230 could have easily gotten in a scorpion or something 00:06:57.230 --> 00:07:01.790 else that is probably a special effects issue. 00:07:02.290 --> 00:07:05.750 Could be. I just found it interesting that they 00:07:05.750 --> 00:07:10.240 picked the non -creature versions. Yeah. I do 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:15.379 like the one change to the lore of this where 00:07:15.379 --> 00:07:19.500 Ben Reilly doesn't get his spider amazing spider 00:07:19.500 --> 00:07:21.500 powers from being bitten by a radioactive spider, 00:07:21.660 --> 00:07:24.620 but rather by being bitten by a radioactive man. 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.139 Yeah, man spider is so good. Man spider is good. 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:29.860 I like I mean, it's pretty horrifying to look 00:07:29.860 --> 00:07:32.819 at. Yeah, the practical effect on that is really 00:07:32.819 --> 00:07:36.620 good. Yeah, man spider is great. No, I'm not 00:07:36.620 --> 00:07:37.899 going to do my dumb joke. Peter already heard 00:07:37.899 --> 00:07:41.870 my dumb joke. Oh, man. So you're actually screening 00:07:41.870 --> 00:07:44.589 your jokes now? I usually do. Why couldn't this 00:07:44.589 --> 00:07:48.689 have started happening years ago? Say your joke, 00:07:48.850 --> 00:07:54.509 Sean. All right. No, no, I fucked it up. Yeah, 00:07:54.550 --> 00:07:56.209 it can happen. All right, fine, because the people 00:07:56.209 --> 00:08:01.949 want it. Yeah, we ran a quick poll. So if he 00:08:01.949 --> 00:08:04.889 was bitten by a radioactive Spider -Man, does 00:08:04.889 --> 00:08:10.509 that make him Spider -Man Man? yep okay that's 00:08:10.509 --> 00:08:12.990 what we were all clamoring for yeah we needed 00:08:12.990 --> 00:08:17.850 that people wanted i guarantee you i guarantee 00:08:17.850 --> 00:08:20.750 you bill appreciated that i'm sure bill will 00:08:20.750 --> 00:08:23.709 when when bill listens to this in cyprus or wherever 00:08:23.709 --> 00:08:28.930 he is right now yeah um okay so yeah the whole 00:08:28.930 --> 00:08:31.310 thing kind of starts out the the reveal of the 00:08:31.310 --> 00:08:33.450 background right this world war one experimentation 00:08:33.450 --> 00:08:37.769 stuff um ben getting bitten by man spider um 00:08:37.769 --> 00:08:40.549 it starts out because he's explaining his past 00:08:40.549 --> 00:08:43.769 to cat hardy correct yeah yeah he's in a diner 00:08:43.769 --> 00:08:48.049 and tells us the whole like war story to cat 00:08:48.049 --> 00:08:52.690 right free pie free pie yeah in in this a depression 00:08:52.690 --> 00:08:56.789 in this economy yeah free blueberries all right 00:08:56.789 --> 00:09:00.529 they just liked interracial couples at that place 00:09:00.529 --> 00:09:04.539 yeah You know, they were as they did in the 20s, 00:09:04.539 --> 00:09:08.019 30s, whatever it was. Yeah. Loved mixing. Oh, 00:09:08.059 --> 00:09:15.080 man. OK, so World War One. Yeah. Yeah. He liberates 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.840 a town. There's lots of shooting. He found some 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:20.259 experiments. He was bit by a man spider. And 00:09:20.259 --> 00:09:24.279 we get a lot of like good cagery. Fuck. When 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:26.960 he is going through his recovery. Yeah. His recovery 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:29.549 is so good. All these like poses that he keeps 00:09:29.549 --> 00:09:32.950 getting himself into. We get a digitally de -aged 00:09:32.950 --> 00:09:35.210 Nick Cage. That doesn't look terrible. I was 00:09:35.210 --> 00:09:36.610 going to say the de -aging effect was pretty 00:09:36.610 --> 00:09:38.690 decent. You know, as far as those go, I thought 00:09:38.690 --> 00:09:41.110 it looked OK. I don't know what that looked like 00:09:41.110 --> 00:09:42.990 in color. I only saw it in black and white. Maybe 00:09:42.990 --> 00:09:47.490 that's probably probably fakier, but. But we 00:09:47.490 --> 00:09:50.129 also get an explanation for his weird twitching, 00:09:50.169 --> 00:09:54.870 which is when he got bit like his. brain essentially 00:09:54.870 --> 00:09:57.250 kind of like rewired itself to be more spider 00:09:57.250 --> 00:10:01.590 than man so we had to relearn to be a man uh 00:10:01.590 --> 00:10:04.990 we had to relearn how to walk and like move properly 00:10:04.990 --> 00:10:09.129 and speak hence why he talks like a caricature 00:10:09.129 --> 00:10:13.429 of a gum like a gumshoe from the movies because 00:10:13.429 --> 00:10:16.029 that's how he retaught himself to speak i called 00:10:16.029 --> 00:10:18.960 it I mean, I'm glad they explained it. It does 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:20.659 make sense. I mean, I think it could have been 00:10:20.659 --> 00:10:23.799 easily just that he's a guy from the 20s, 30s 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:26.340 who like talks weird. I mean, they all did in 00:10:26.340 --> 00:10:29.039 those movies. But yeah, I mean, I like that, 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:31.539 you know, it was a relearning how to integrate 00:10:31.539 --> 00:10:33.840 into society concept. I think that's kind of 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:35.899 cool because they could have just easily hand 00:10:35.899 --> 00:10:38.159 waved that away. One thing that I was curious 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:40.940 about, he does a lot of back posing. Do spiders 00:10:40.940 --> 00:10:43.240 go on their backs a lot? Like, well, when you 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:46.740 like smack a spider. and yeah like it gets all 00:10:46.740 --> 00:10:49.460 curly yeah it's always on its back like those 00:10:49.460 --> 00:10:52.240 legs don't go the other way no but i mean why 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:56.059 was he doing death poses yeah as an alive guy 00:10:56.059 --> 00:10:59.179 because nicholas cage is a character actor yeah 00:10:59.179 --> 00:11:03.460 because it's awesome it was awesome i can almost 00:11:03.460 --> 00:11:09.139 guarantee you not in the script i will say it's 00:11:09.139 --> 00:11:12.220 it's pretty hard to get um like video recordings 00:11:12.220 --> 00:11:14.559 of any of these shows because there's all this 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:18.120 like drm shit to protect it but i am definitely 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:20.940 going to find a way to get footage of him doing 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:24.019 those poses because it's fantastic yeah it's 00:11:24.019 --> 00:11:26.799 some of my favorite body work he's done maybe 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:30.820 ever um these two episodes in particular are 00:11:30.820 --> 00:11:33.600 fucking crushing it for that yeah what else has 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:36.779 he really done like great like body and movement 00:11:36.779 --> 00:11:40.340 stuff we get his sneakiness in uh yeah peggy 00:11:40.340 --> 00:11:43.940 sue i mean he does some body stuff in um long 00:11:43.940 --> 00:11:47.919 legs renfield long legs and renfield yeah that 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.000 might be the most of it i mean he's pretty fucking 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:53.139 wild in vampire's kiss but it's less like herky 00:11:53.139 --> 00:11:57.460 jerky yeah quote unquote spider poses wild at 00:11:57.460 --> 00:12:01.460 heart yeah a lot of kicking and flipping yeah 00:12:01.980 --> 00:12:03.519 that was definitely his most like cool closing 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.059 other than con air but con air he's more just 00:12:06.059 --> 00:12:09.639 like roundhouse kicking yeah more or physically 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:15.139 active yeah oh jean -claude van damme yeah so 00:12:15.139 --> 00:12:21.019 yeah the the kg motions so good it fits so well 00:12:21.019 --> 00:12:25.879 in the the story and also just gave us gave us 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:29.700 what we wanted yes Like a Spider -Man man joke. 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:31.899 It just gave us what we were all asking for. 00:12:32.220 --> 00:12:38.159 What the people want. I really noticed in this 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:42.179 back half of the series, they played to the black 00:12:42.179 --> 00:12:45.799 and white so much better. I felt there's like, 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.440 especially when we get into the lab, the like 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:52.779 the horse side of things. yeah the scenery really 00:12:52.779 --> 00:12:56.159 kind of uh gives itself up to it a lot better 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:58.759 yeah there's a shot of him being dragged down 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:00.559 the stairs and it's just his feet in the rain 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.100 in the dark and it's really pretty amazing that's 00:13:03.100 --> 00:13:05.779 in that's in the next episode but yeah yeah um 00:13:05.779 --> 00:13:09.779 okay so the big reveal from the first or the 00:13:09.779 --> 00:13:13.379 the jesus christ our second episode about episodes 00:13:13.379 --> 00:13:15.580 three and four God, this is a horrible way to 00:13:15.580 --> 00:13:17.240 have to talk about it. It is. I'm going to let 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:19.779 you do it. Is that Lonnie Lincoln Tombstone reveals 00:13:19.779 --> 00:13:23.159 that they have all been seeing Doc Faber. So 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:26.799 all signs point to this doctor and they decide 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.019 to go and do some snooping. Yep. And snoop they 00:13:31.019 --> 00:13:36.220 do. Yeah, they. Well, so I was reviewing my notes. 00:13:36.500 --> 00:13:40.720 Yeah. So like Robbie goes in to ask the doc some 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:45.100 questions after Robbie gets. His second article 00:13:45.100 --> 00:13:48.720 published. Mm hmm. He uses his credentials at 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:51.360 the Bugle to get in. So I think his second one's 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.200 been published by this point. Doc Faber has like 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.639 an older bodyguard slash secretary that's very 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:00.279 protective of her. But while they're talking 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:05.840 to Robbie, the spider spiders his way very in 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:11.500 an old man fashion. Yeah. Into. Into her office 00:14:11.500 --> 00:14:14.889 to like start snooping. Yeah, so Ben climbs through 00:14:14.889 --> 00:14:17.669 the window. He doesn't spider in. He doesn't 00:14:17.669 --> 00:14:20.210 have the mask on or anything. That's true. He 00:14:20.210 --> 00:14:23.070 just comes in from the roof. He did climb onto 00:14:23.070 --> 00:14:26.289 the roof to get there, but yes. But he stumbles 00:14:26.289 --> 00:14:29.830 in through the window. And yeah, when Robbie 00:14:29.830 --> 00:14:33.149 can't distract the doctor any longer while Nick 00:14:33.149 --> 00:14:36.350 is or Ben is digging through and finding all 00:14:36.350 --> 00:14:39.169 of the secret drawers and stuff of that nature, 00:14:39.289 --> 00:14:43.759 the doctor bursts back in. ben has secreted the 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:49.679 uh you that's a gross way he's secreted the files 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:56.659 the files out through the window uh he does like 00:14:56.659 --> 00:15:00.559 a really crazy like uh crazy person thing yeah 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.779 that little hand motion uh josie and i were talking 00:15:03.779 --> 00:15:08.049 about the second floor The second floor. Some 00:15:08.049 --> 00:15:10.870 people online were saying that they suspect it 00:15:10.870 --> 00:15:13.710 was like an homage to David Lynch's fire walk 00:15:13.710 --> 00:15:16.309 with me stuff. I saw that, too, actually. And 00:15:16.309 --> 00:15:18.570 some people kicked it back to like also doing 00:15:18.570 --> 00:15:22.450 things like that in a. He did that with long 00:15:22.450 --> 00:15:24.809 legs, with long legs as well. The face covering 00:15:24.809 --> 00:15:28.370 thing. Yeah. So definitely a thing that Nick 00:15:28.370 --> 00:15:32.149 does, but it very much could be inspired by some 00:15:32.149 --> 00:15:35.279 David Lynch. yeah weirdness which you know fair 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.779 enough doesn't surprise me yeah i would expect 00:15:37.779 --> 00:15:40.519 that from him to pull something from david lynch's 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:45.159 world but her assistant ogden recognizes him 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:47.980 because he recognizes him from france from the 00:15:47.980 --> 00:15:50.620 pow camp yeah which gives us the reveal that 00:15:50.620 --> 00:15:54.460 he's actually one of the pows that was saved 00:15:54.460 --> 00:15:56.600 but he got experimented on and his superpower 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:01.539 is oldness aging yeah rapidly no one ages like 00:16:01.539 --> 00:16:04.279 ogden ages i don't think we get that right away 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:06.740 there but maybe not no that's at the beginning 00:16:06.740 --> 00:16:09.740 of the next episode but yeah but uh ben and robbie 00:16:09.740 --> 00:16:13.200 get away with the files and they're able to look 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.980 over the all of that back at the the office later 00:16:16.649 --> 00:16:20.409 so after that it goes into just a return to megawatt 00:16:20.409 --> 00:16:22.289 who's been broken out of prison at this point 00:16:22.289 --> 00:16:24.629 okay so megawatt in the first episode that we 00:16:24.629 --> 00:16:26.809 meet him in episode four i was like he's like 00:16:26.809 --> 00:16:29.850 so on the nose for this show and i hate him yeah 00:16:29.850 --> 00:16:31.769 he's so fucking annoying and then in this episode 00:16:31.769 --> 00:16:34.009 i was like he still is annoying as shit and i 00:16:34.009 --> 00:16:37.169 love him everything he does is just so annoying 00:16:37.169 --> 00:16:40.610 it's like 11 just peaking all the time all the 00:16:40.610 --> 00:16:43.429 time he's always quoting shakespeare he's super 00:16:43.429 --> 00:16:47.019 like theatrical weak but you know kudos to the 00:16:47.019 --> 00:16:49.340 writers we get a reason that he wants to be a 00:16:49.340 --> 00:16:53.980 broadway performer but is instead uh just a subway 00:16:53.980 --> 00:16:57.139 subway driver right right so he's getting beat 00:16:57.139 --> 00:17:00.399 up in the in the joint you know yeah making mouthing 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:03.500 off the fucking cops as you do he gets beat up 00:17:03.500 --> 00:17:05.559 quite a bit but then silvermane and his crew 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:07.440 show up oh that's right because they've recruited 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.099 tombstone yeah yeah they've uh flint recruited 00:17:10.099 --> 00:17:13.759 tombstone flint tombstone show up they uh beat 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:18.160 up the cops and take him out to uh go meet silvermane 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.700 who makes him a deal and then megawatt kills 00:17:21.700 --> 00:17:26.059 a guard with a kiss and it's weird that's exactly 00:17:26.059 --> 00:17:28.589 how i wrote it he kissed him to death Yeah, he 00:17:28.589 --> 00:17:30.569 did. He shocked him while kissing him. One of 00:17:30.569 --> 00:17:32.789 my notes was one of my notes was about Tombstone 00:17:32.789 --> 00:17:35.450 and Sandman. I said, oh, Exima man and the bumps 00:17:35.450 --> 00:17:40.369 back together again. Well, after but speaking 00:17:40.369 --> 00:17:42.730 of it being weird, your note of it being weird. 00:17:43.190 --> 00:17:45.269 As soon as that happens, I think it just cuts 00:17:45.269 --> 00:17:47.769 to Silverman who goes, oh, it's weird. Yeah, 00:17:47.809 --> 00:17:50.269 he did. I loved his expression. Brendan Gleeson 00:17:50.269 --> 00:17:53.210 is so good. He's clearly my favorite actor in 00:17:53.210 --> 00:17:55.410 this other than Nicolas Cage. Sorry. I love that 00:17:55.410 --> 00:18:00.240 he's doing. an irish accent yeah it's like you 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:04.619 could just be irish but no no you gotta amp it 00:18:04.619 --> 00:18:07.500 up with a little extra irishness yeah oh okay 00:18:07.500 --> 00:18:09.059 sorry i've got to back up for a second one of 00:18:09.059 --> 00:18:11.420 my favorite lines of this entire fucking episode 00:18:11.420 --> 00:18:13.920 is when robbie goes to the hospital to try and 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:16.279 like confront the doctor right so he's talking 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:19.140 to this shitty racist nurse at the desk oh yeah 00:18:19.140 --> 00:18:20.900 and she's just ignoring him and ignoring him 00:18:20.900 --> 00:18:23.359 he shows his credentials and she's like begrudgingly 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:25.539 you know this and she's reading all quiet on 00:18:25.539 --> 00:18:28.319 the western front and he just goes he says paul 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:31.240 dies paul dies at the end and walks away yeah 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:34.339 probably it's just my favorite character in this 00:18:34.339 --> 00:18:36.579 entire show in like the third or fourth episode 00:18:36.579 --> 00:18:39.339 when he goes and talks to the editor at the bugle 00:18:39.339 --> 00:18:41.039 and he's leaving i was like do i have this open 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:42.680 or closed closed and he just walks away with 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:45.740 the door open oh my god yeah i love just the 00:18:45.740 --> 00:18:49.579 kind of snarky dickishness that most people have 00:18:49.579 --> 00:18:52.759 in this Like almost everybody is a little snarky 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:54.980 and a little dickish and it's terrific. It is 00:18:54.980 --> 00:18:57.640 terrific. The only people who are never that 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:00.740 way, I think are like Flint. Flint is just like 00:19:00.740 --> 00:19:05.640 a good guy who keeps getting like his heart broken 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:09.660 and doesn't know what to do. Right. It throws 00:19:09.660 --> 00:19:12.579 in with the wrong crowd. I do want to say I do 00:19:12.579 --> 00:19:18.859 enjoy the three core characters of. ben robbie 00:19:18.859 --> 00:19:21.839 and janet uh because before they go and steal 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.660 the files ben comes in and like they tell him 00:19:25.660 --> 00:19:28.319 it's so good like you know they tell him all 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:30.720 the stuff they learned in about the doc and lonnie 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.480 and like you know they have a lead like well 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.099 what are we waiting for he's like you asshole 00:19:39.180 --> 00:19:41.220 yeah i love also when he's he's sort of like 00:19:41.220 --> 00:19:44.000 he makes these leaps of you know intelligence 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:45.700 or whatever and they're like whoa well that's 00:19:45.700 --> 00:19:47.380 why you're the detective that's why your name 00:19:47.380 --> 00:19:48.880 is on the door and he's like okay so you already 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:55.700 knew yeah oh god yeah yeah there's there's good 00:19:55.700 --> 00:19:58.960 uh good interplay between all the characters 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:01.720 yeah i mean i think it really looks like they're 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.779 fun and comfortable around each other right like 00:20:04.779 --> 00:20:07.279 janet and robbie seem like actual friends who 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:09.240 understand the banter that they would have in 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:11.880 this like long -term relationship it feels very 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.960 real it's cool i mean it's very easy energy and 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:18.980 like salty at the same time yeah yeah the characters 00:20:18.980 --> 00:20:21.579 have history beyond episode one right which is 00:20:21.579 --> 00:20:26.440 nice yeah oh after uh they break uh megawatt 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.559 out and everything uh it just goes back to ben 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:32.819 showing up at silver mains and then they talk 00:20:32.819 --> 00:20:36.880 uh some mad shit to each other uh that's right 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:40.380 yeah flint comes in and kind of like gets in 00:20:40.380 --> 00:20:43.519 ben's face and then like he leaves oh and we 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:45.460 get another hot dog line yeah we get another 00:20:45.460 --> 00:20:47.980 hot dog line that's good i love the hot dogs 00:20:47.980 --> 00:20:49.900 in this i'm still disgusted by the way he eats 00:20:49.900 --> 00:20:51.720 them some gross maybe it's like how spiders eat 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:56.099 a hot maybe spiders eat a hot dog yeah just goes 00:20:56.099 --> 00:20:57.900 for the gooeyness i was gonna say he eats them 00:20:57.900 --> 00:21:00.529 like a spider For those of you who haven't watched 00:21:00.529 --> 00:21:02.690 the show, he like he just wraps him in webbing 00:21:02.690 --> 00:21:04.289 and then just like sucks it out with a straw. 00:21:05.309 --> 00:21:13.269 Yeah. Yeah. So he just confronts him about like 00:21:13.269 --> 00:21:15.950 knowing about him and Kat. And then, yeah, exactly. 00:21:16.049 --> 00:21:19.430 Ben leaves him with a hot dog at the game is 00:21:19.430 --> 00:21:21.950 better than a roast beef at the Met or the Ritz. 00:21:22.089 --> 00:21:26.190 Yeah. Which is great. Think about it. Yeah. It's 00:21:26.190 --> 00:21:28.450 a good one. You get to live and have fun. Right. 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:31.119 Hot dog or roast beef at the Ritz. What kind 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:34.200 of life is that? Stuck under the thumb of silver, 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:40.660 man. Yep. And that's where they just disappear. 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:43.720 Ben goes up, talks to Kat back at her place. 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:47.299 They talk about the doctor, and then they're 00:21:47.299 --> 00:21:50.900 like, oh, we got to run away. Let's go to France. 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:53.299 We'll get out of here together. Oh, they're going 00:21:53.299 --> 00:22:00.680 to go to Santorini. Santorini, yeah. I can't 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:08.480 remember what gives Kat the idea to go to the 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.359 dock. It's Lonnie Tombstone. He goes and talks 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:13.900 to her and is like... It's coming up. Yeah, yeah. 00:22:14.140 --> 00:22:17.740 It's later. Kat's packing. Lonnie shows up and 00:22:17.740 --> 00:22:21.299 takes her to Flint, who shows that he's a henchman 00:22:21.299 --> 00:22:24.200 for life. They almost kill Kat by toppling some 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:26.599 platforms. Oh, that's right. Lonnie tells her 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:31.380 about the doctor then. And that's about how the 00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:33.640 doctor is trying to find a cure. And the spider 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:37.599 could be the key to the cure because he's the 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:40.039 only one who hasn't degraded or anything. Yeah. 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:42.660 So then Kat disappears and goes and tells the 00:22:42.660 --> 00:22:45.759 doctor. A lot of rain in these two episodes. 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:49.660 Yes. Rain is best. Rain is great. Yeah. It really 00:22:49.660 --> 00:22:52.539 comes out really well. In the black and white. 00:22:52.579 --> 00:22:54.400 In the black and white. It's fucking awesome. 00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:58.950 I mean, best, best shot of the rain. is the opening 00:22:58.950 --> 00:23:03.509 for episode eight. But I agree. But here in episode 00:23:03.509 --> 00:23:05.910 five, this is pretty good rain, too. It's good 00:23:05.910 --> 00:23:08.190 rain. Episode six has good rain, too. We'll get 00:23:08.190 --> 00:23:11.250 into that in a second. So that's the that's the 00:23:11.250 --> 00:23:13.049 whole of the episode. Like nothing else happens. 00:23:13.369 --> 00:23:15.809 She meets the doctor there at the office as the 00:23:15.809 --> 00:23:18.170 doctor is cleaning up and getting ready to flee 00:23:18.170 --> 00:23:21.410 and tells her that she knows that Ben Reilly 00:23:21.410 --> 00:23:24.250 is the spider. Yeah. What did you guys think 00:23:24.250 --> 00:23:26.809 of the doctor in her performance in general in 00:23:26.809 --> 00:23:28.210 this episode? I mean, we can talk about it in 00:23:28.210 --> 00:23:31.529 both. In this episode, it's, you know, menacing, 00:23:31.609 --> 00:23:34.150 but fairly sedate. We don't get any like really 00:23:34.150 --> 00:23:39.190 good, like mad scientist vibes till the next 00:23:39.190 --> 00:23:41.589 episode. Next episode definitely amps it up. 00:23:41.849 --> 00:23:45.190 I do like the way it sets it all up for that, 00:23:45.250 --> 00:23:47.750 where it's like she does feel a little unhinged 00:23:47.750 --> 00:23:49.369 and she does feel like there's some sort of weird 00:23:49.369 --> 00:23:53.230 complication with Ogden, you know, so. yeah she's 00:23:53.230 --> 00:23:57.190 very much a goal -oriented business lady yeah 00:23:57.190 --> 00:24:00.829 and i mean you do get the vibe that she is doing 00:24:00.829 --> 00:24:04.250 like she does want to help these people yeah 00:24:04.250 --> 00:24:06.230 she wants to help them because she's trying to 00:24:06.230 --> 00:24:08.910 help yeah we i mean we learned that we learned 00:24:08.910 --> 00:24:12.349 why in the next episode but i do think like even 00:24:12.349 --> 00:24:15.410 when uh robbie's interviewing her i don't get 00:24:15.410 --> 00:24:18.630 the feeling that she's trying to weaponize the 00:24:18.630 --> 00:24:22.299 superhumans at all she seems like she's trying 00:24:22.299 --> 00:24:27.160 to help yeah yeah she she does have good motivations 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:30.920 but her execution is a little bit lacking yeah 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:34.480 so yeah so then it rolls into episode six um 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:38.339 and we've got another good rain shot rain pouring 00:24:38.339 --> 00:24:42.359 down on this random guy in an alley um which 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:46.859 turns out to be ogden the assistant hoggy going 00:24:46.859 --> 00:24:51.500 to uh Talk to Ben Reilly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So 00:24:51.500 --> 00:24:54.079 Ben's just packing up to leave. Gets a little 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:56.880 knock on the door. You know, while he's got his 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.400 spider mask in his hand, he's getting ready to 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:02.660 leave the whole life behind. Santorini. Live 00:25:02.660 --> 00:25:06.819 on Santorini with Kat. Opens the door. It's Ogden. 00:25:06.940 --> 00:25:10.480 Whoa. He tells his story about being experimented 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:12.500 on and how it's just making him old, which is 00:25:12.500 --> 00:25:15.240 a shitty superpower. And I don't think he says 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.819 that, but we all know it. We also get the line 00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:23.279 of him having recognized Ben. Yeah, yeah. He 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:27.019 changed his name. War history. Yeah, I like that. 00:25:27.099 --> 00:25:29.099 I like that they do mention the name change. 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:32.259 So I think we can kind of check that off as like 00:25:32.259 --> 00:25:34.339 he is probably Peter Parker changed his name 00:25:34.339 --> 00:25:38.339 to avoid all the, you know, people following 00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:40.960 up on him because he got weird spider powers. 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:43.880 Yeah, definitely trying to distance himself from 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:46.140 that, which is also stupid because to change 00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:48.269 your name, you. legally change it with the government 00:25:48.269 --> 00:25:51.460 it's not like it's a big leap to be I don't know. 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.440 In the 20s, you could just start calling yourself. 00:25:53.539 --> 00:25:54.880 You could just call yourself something else. 00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:56.839 It wouldn't take too much to get like a piece 00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.920 of paper reprinted. That's fair. Forgery wasn't 00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:02.559 as complicated as it is now. All right. All right. 00:26:02.579 --> 00:26:05.460 I'll give it to you. No holographic blacklight 00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:09.140 imagery. So now he's been Riley. No microchips. 00:26:09.619 --> 00:26:12.980 Come on, Peter. It's the 20s. No 5G in my blood. 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:15.839 Hot dog at the game is better than roast beef 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:21.349 at the Ritz, you fool. Come on. Hmm. Yeah. oh 00:26:21.349 --> 00:26:23.470 one of the things that i i just was thinking 00:26:23.470 --> 00:26:25.130 about visuals in this because this episode is 00:26:25.130 --> 00:26:27.990 very like stark strong visuals i mean it's like 00:26:27.990 --> 00:26:32.470 a horror show but all the wavy glass oh yeah 00:26:32.470 --> 00:26:34.789 in all these old buildings i'm so glad they did 00:26:34.789 --> 00:26:36.990 that because it's like it feels so true you know 00:26:36.990 --> 00:26:39.670 you're looking at the the you know editor -in 00:26:39.670 --> 00:26:41.930 -chief at the bugle and he's all like warped 00:26:41.930 --> 00:26:43.990 and funny looking because that glass and it's 00:26:43.990 --> 00:26:46.569 just it's interesting how like glass technology 00:26:46.569 --> 00:26:50.359 changed and they bothered to do that yeah I mean, 00:26:50.380 --> 00:26:53.059 it looks way better. It does. It adds so much 00:26:53.059 --> 00:26:57.460 environmental character to the way everything 00:26:57.460 --> 00:27:02.319 is shot. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, so what? Ogden 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:04.700 tries to convince him to help. He doesn't want 00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:06.759 to help. And then he's like, I'll just drug you 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:10.599 instead. So he slips him with a needle and drags 00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:12.960 his body out, which is where we get cool boots 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:14.559 running downstairs. Boots going down the stairs. 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:16.420 Boots in a puddle. Boots in a puddle. This is 00:27:16.420 --> 00:27:18.720 also where we get the first time that, like, 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.319 Ben claims that the only reason he was ever the 00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:23.640 spider was for, you know, the thrill of it, not 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:27.200 because he's a. Yeah. Yeah. He tries playing 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:31.720 it off. Right. So also, I just have to say, as 00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:34.259 he's packing all this shit, he has a drawer that's 00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:36.400 just full of pillowcases. It's so many pillowcases. 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:38.559 Did you notice that? It's like, what the fuck? 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:42.339 You have a single bed. Yeah. One pillow. Maybe 00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:44.339 they were all Ruby's favorite pillowcases. Maybe, 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:47.319 yeah. Gotta keep your Ruby photo somewhere. That's 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:48.920 right. Under all the pillowcases that remind 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.000 you of her. Yep, so you tuck it back in when 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.759 you go to leave with Kat. Leave that Ruby photo. 00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:57.240 Weird, you ding -a -ling. Yeah, I like how he 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:01.440 keeps the photo of his dead fiancée at the bottom 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.099 of a cupboard with his money. Yeah, just hidden. 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:06.799 so yeah then you get into the horror show shit 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.059 of it so they have a secret lab yeah he's dragged 00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:11.779 down to the lab he's all restrained they like 00:28:11.779 --> 00:28:14.980 bandage up his hands so he can't web stuff and 00:28:14.980 --> 00:28:18.819 then they uh cuff him down to the bed and you 00:28:18.819 --> 00:28:22.400 know pretty good pretty good uh effort put into 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:26.380 it and faber explains everything yeah yeah classic 00:28:26.380 --> 00:28:28.940 villain style i love how many times in my notes 00:28:28.940 --> 00:28:32.420 i got to just type out so and so explains everything 00:28:32.420 --> 00:28:35.319 it's like oh perfect you know it's funny let's 00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:37.680 not skimp on the narrative there would be certain 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.740 shows that that would really piss me off but 00:28:39.740 --> 00:28:41.799 for some reason in this one i'm like yeah it 00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:44.460 just works i don't know like now i'm gonna explain 00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:47.460 my whole thing it's part of the trope of like 00:28:47.460 --> 00:28:49.700 early filmmaking as well which i think helps 00:28:49.700 --> 00:28:53.500 sure and unlike other things i've seen recently 00:28:53.500 --> 00:28:57.130 it's not just It still feels naturalistic, like 00:28:57.130 --> 00:28:58.970 people talking to each other rather than just 00:28:58.970 --> 00:29:01.930 people monologuing at each other, which is all 00:29:01.930 --> 00:29:05.029 the Mandalorian Grogu was, was just like characters 00:29:05.029 --> 00:29:09.069 talking about themselves in the general direction 00:29:09.069 --> 00:29:12.630 of other characters. Mm hmm. so yeah then i mean 00:29:12.630 --> 00:29:15.430 we get a lot of like weird experimentation on 00:29:15.430 --> 00:29:17.930 him we get more flashbacks yeah we get that first 00:29:17.930 --> 00:29:21.690 flashback of him like exploring his hand wound 00:29:21.690 --> 00:29:24.609 and pulling the web goop out of it like yeah 00:29:24.609 --> 00:29:27.150 gets all this is where he like does the most 00:29:27.150 --> 00:29:30.349 of those like little body ticks yeah pulls his 00:29:30.349 --> 00:29:32.750 webbing out that's great talking to the general 00:29:32.750 --> 00:29:34.549 or whoever it is yeah the whole time he's just 00:29:34.549 --> 00:29:38.829 like trying to keep it under control and yeah 00:29:38.829 --> 00:29:42.130 i thought that costume for the general or whatever 00:29:42.130 --> 00:29:45.309 was super weird until josie pulled up like a 00:29:45.309 --> 00:29:47.609 photo because she also thought it was super weird 00:29:47.609 --> 00:29:49.109 is that what they looked like yeah they just 00:29:49.109 --> 00:29:52.750 kind of had that sort of like weird outfit with 00:29:52.750 --> 00:29:56.109 those like tall hats and everything and like 00:29:56.109 --> 00:30:01.089 the big uh neck thing you know early hugo boss 00:30:01.089 --> 00:30:03.529 kind of stuff right before the nazis made that 00:30:03.529 --> 00:30:07.660 not cool right Yeah, so we get all that kind 00:30:07.660 --> 00:30:10.180 of an explanation that, you know, they were going 00:30:10.180 --> 00:30:13.019 to do a bunch of shit to his body to find out 00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:15.140 what was going on. But they didn't do a good 00:30:15.140 --> 00:30:17.500 enough job. Ben says like they pulled him apart 00:30:17.500 --> 00:30:20.619 and like took all his shit out and put it back 00:30:20.619 --> 00:30:24.259 and just really fucked with him. Yep. So then 00:30:24.259 --> 00:30:27.359 she takes his blood. Yep. Yeah, she takes his 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:29.599 blood. It's super normal blood. That's frustrating. 00:30:29.940 --> 00:30:32.880 Which means let's look at some more shit. Yeah. 00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:36.000 What do you think it is? His pancreas? Well, 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:38.059 I mean, they explain it's liver. She says his 00:30:38.059 --> 00:30:43.240 liver. It's right there on the Petri dish. Oh, 00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:46.180 that's right. Liver enzyme. I'm more appropriate 00:30:46.180 --> 00:30:48.440 to call it a Riley dish at this point. That's 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:53.710 right. Not a Pete. Pete. We changed the name. 00:30:53.710 --> 00:30:57.529 So you both have a bad joke. Yeah, but mine's 00:30:57.529 --> 00:31:02.210 intentionally awful. Oh, mine wasn't good. I 00:31:02.210 --> 00:31:04.829 didn't think it was good. Just unintentionally 00:31:04.829 --> 00:31:10.650 not as good as you hoped. Oh, still better than 00:31:10.650 --> 00:31:14.809 mine. I loved when he's getting knocked out and 00:31:14.809 --> 00:31:16.210 they're like, he's trying to say something. He 00:31:16.210 --> 00:31:24.049 just goes, I love ravioli. That's so good. Oh, 00:31:24.130 --> 00:31:27.730 we're going to get you so much ravioli. I don't 00:31:27.730 --> 00:31:29.990 know how many lines Nick Cage just like got to 00:31:29.990 --> 00:31:32.170 make up. I don't know, but I hope, I hope there 00:31:32.170 --> 00:31:34.369 was a good number. Yeah. I hope they let him 00:31:34.369 --> 00:31:37.130 do. Ravioli seems definitely like something he 00:31:37.130 --> 00:31:41.170 would do. It feels like it. Yeah. um so yeah 00:31:41.170 --> 00:31:44.049 he gets drugged and he has like crazy dreams 00:31:44.049 --> 00:31:48.089 with like spider legs crawling out of his face 00:31:48.089 --> 00:31:51.890 we get like the horror of this this is coming 00:31:51.890 --> 00:31:54.789 from his wounds the mask turning into a spider 00:31:54.789 --> 00:31:57.509 like yeah we get some real good like cronenberg 00:31:57.509 --> 00:32:02.349 -esque uh body horror in this uh like if the 00:32:02.349 --> 00:32:04.670 ether mask like the legs grow out of it like 00:32:04.990 --> 00:32:07.650 turn into a tarantula on his face she cuts him 00:32:07.650 --> 00:32:10.029 open like spiders just pour out of the wounds 00:32:10.029 --> 00:32:12.009 i know i don't even dislike spiders and i was 00:32:12.009 --> 00:32:14.490 pretty like yucked out it's pretty gross oh no 00:32:14.490 --> 00:32:17.470 the body horror in this episode was so good absolutely 00:32:17.470 --> 00:32:20.750 we get a return of man spider in the dream yeah 00:32:20.750 --> 00:32:24.230 welcome back man spider i love man spider uh 00:32:24.230 --> 00:32:27.130 the only part of this whole sequence that i really 00:32:27.130 --> 00:32:30.970 didn't care for was like just when he was tiny 00:32:30.970 --> 00:32:33.329 like running away from the car and stuff it just 00:32:33.329 --> 00:32:35.829 it didn't look great but the rest of it was so 00:32:35.829 --> 00:32:38.569 good i liked tiny because it put like everything 00:32:38.569 --> 00:32:42.210 that's been happening to him up like uh almost 00:32:42.210 --> 00:32:45.410 like he was seeing it on movie screens and so 00:32:45.410 --> 00:32:47.829 he was reliving everything that's been going 00:32:47.829 --> 00:32:50.990 on with him through that yeah uh kind of i just 00:32:50.990 --> 00:32:54.869 didn't think visually like the car just the cg 00:32:54.869 --> 00:32:56.589 world it's maybe a little bit weak but i like 00:32:56.589 --> 00:33:00.079 the concept of it yeah But we also got to see 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.059 him interacting with Ruby and she calls him a 00:33:04.059 --> 00:33:06.240 ding -a -ling, which I really liked. And then 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.859 he's wearing a nerd outfit. Looks like such a 00:33:08.859 --> 00:33:13.839 dork. Yeah, she also talks like a caricature, 00:33:13.940 --> 00:33:17.160 but it's his memory, so that makes sense. So 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.500 then it all kind of boils down to Eczema Boy 00:33:20.500 --> 00:33:25.000 and the Bumps and Megawatt. coming to collect 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.480 more supers right talk to the doctor find out 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:29.980 there's other so ben wakes up he's you know clearly 00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:34.119 been operated on he uh manages to get his wrist 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:38.019 free nobody's around so he like after a few attempts 00:33:38.019 --> 00:33:41.460 is able to sling up those keys and get himself 00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:46.680 uh unrestrained and starts like uh trying to 00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.910 get himself out while uh downstairs like favor 00:33:49.910 --> 00:33:53.769 finds a cure cures ogden so he looks like he's 00:33:53.769 --> 00:33:57.009 dirty then like tells him you know hey we got 00:33:57.009 --> 00:34:00.369 to get out of here but uh we're gonna have to 00:34:00.369 --> 00:34:03.930 torch the place and get rid of him because he's 00:34:03.930 --> 00:34:07.210 a loose end so ogden's like i'll do it i'll i'll 00:34:07.210 --> 00:34:09.130 go up there and look him in the eye soldier to 00:34:09.130 --> 00:34:12.880 soldier And at the same time, like all of Silvermane's 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.760 crew and entourage is showing up. So we get, 00:34:15.820 --> 00:34:17.920 you know, little jumps back and forth between 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:21.480 the three sections of the scene with them coming 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:26.840 in. I love this. I love the sequence where Ogden 00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:30.820 and Peter Ogden and Ben are like escaping in 00:34:30.820 --> 00:34:33.420 the elevator. And then we get. silvermane coming 00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:36.000 to the elevator the doors open and silvermane 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.780 and the crew walk in and you're like okay these 00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:40.880 things are happening at different times like 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:42.960 this isn't like we're cutting back and forth 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:44.860 between times and then they leave the elevator 00:34:44.860 --> 00:34:47.960 or no then they have robbie's paper which is 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:49.539 how they found the place because robbie printed 00:34:49.539 --> 00:34:54.340 and a little bit of goo like hits the paper i 00:34:54.340 --> 00:35:00.440 mean is blood not goo what is blood not goo Not 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.000 all goo is blood, but all blood is goo. I think 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:09.480 all blood is goo. Blood is good. I like blood 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:14.920 is good. Ben, Ben bitered his way up on the ceiling 00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.880 with Ogden. Like, I thought that was a nice little 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:23.059 like sequence. uh yeah i did too um i like when 00:35:23.059 --> 00:35:26.340 the the gang shows up and lonnie walks up to 00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.320 the door and he's just like these doors just 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:30.480 keep getting bigger and it still just is like 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:35.400 just still rips it right off the hinges uh yeah 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:37.639 and then silverman goes down confronts the uh 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.820 the doctor about all this yeah she's like uh 00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:45.579 or he's like i want to see all the other like 00:35:45.579 --> 00:35:47.219 soldiers you've helped and she's like well they're 00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:49.199 all right back here and then it's all just like 00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:53.059 busted up bodies and like back to tanks and stuff 00:35:53.059 --> 00:35:57.460 yeah guy with shrimp feet in his mouth uh which 00:35:57.460 --> 00:35:59.380 could happen to you a bunch of gross fuckers 00:35:59.380 --> 00:36:02.500 yeah yeah and then uh megawatt's like oh you're 00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:04.820 not helping them you're just killing making monsters 00:36:04.820 --> 00:36:08.280 and killing them so he shocks the doctor and 00:36:09.210 --> 00:36:11.630 that's when ogden shows back up and he's like 00:36:11.630 --> 00:36:15.889 you can't shock my mommy and he shoots a megawatt 00:36:15.889 --> 00:36:19.349 and then megawatt's like you you can't shoot 00:36:19.349 --> 00:36:21.650 me you can't shoot me so he like goes to like 00:36:21.650 --> 00:36:24.969 take them all down and like the gun gets knocked 00:36:24.969 --> 00:36:27.409 out of his hand and a fire starts and everybody 00:36:27.409 --> 00:36:29.989 is on the ground and then silvermane's like let's 00:36:29.989 --> 00:36:31.889 get out of here this place sucks and so they 00:36:31.889 --> 00:36:35.260 leave But before that, Ben has stolen the antidote. 00:36:35.260 --> 00:36:38.199 Yeah, Ben went back, got his clothes and stuff, 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.320 stole the antidote, stole the liver Petri dish, 00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.460 which doesn't matter anymore because took his 00:36:43.460 --> 00:36:45.239 name off of it, which then it gets blown up anyway. 00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:47.559 Who cares? Yeah, but it was good of him to like 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.719 cover his tracks. Yeah. And then we see Ben outside 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.079 and the place explodes and Silverman's crew escapes 00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.400 and probably get pretty drunk. I don't know. 00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.739 Yeah. Episode six in the can. Everyone lives 00:36:59.739 --> 00:37:02.280 happily ever after. Yep. i think it was good 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.099 i think it's uh like the horror stuff played 00:37:04.099 --> 00:37:06.260 really well for me i liked that i think it's 00:37:06.260 --> 00:37:07.539 interesting because it's very different than 00:37:07.539 --> 00:37:09.639 the first four episodes i think there's a lot 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.519 of like the interpersonal play between all these 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:14.699 different characters it kind of develops more 00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:17.840 i think it was solid two episodes yeah and i 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:21.719 liked the uh diversity in like locations and 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:25.440 stuff getting that uh the secret warehouse laboratory 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.570 thing gave a lot of like opportunities for different 00:37:28.570 --> 00:37:31.670 like depths and like field of vision kind of 00:37:31.670 --> 00:37:34.349 things plus you know old laboratories with cool 00:37:34.349 --> 00:37:37.889 back to tanks and stuff uh awesome tanks full 00:37:37.889 --> 00:37:40.250 of monsters good i really appreciated with these 00:37:40.250 --> 00:37:44.250 two episodes that when we got the backstory it 00:37:44.250 --> 00:37:46.869 was we didn't get a full episode outside of the 00:37:46.869 --> 00:37:49.250 sequence of like him in the war we just got like 00:37:49.610 --> 00:37:52.170 maybe a combined seven minutes of backstory throughout 00:37:52.170 --> 00:37:54.429 these two episodes which is the appropriate amount 00:37:54.429 --> 00:37:56.590 yeah no given that we only had eight episodes 00:37:56.590 --> 00:37:58.590 i was really worried we'd get a whole just kind 00:37:58.590 --> 00:38:01.190 of throw away like flashback episode i think 00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:05.429 up to this point every episode has mattered well 00:38:05.429 --> 00:38:09.030 yeah like it all kind of carries this story it's 00:38:09.030 --> 00:38:11.389 been a tight show yeah i think it's a it's well 00:38:11.389 --> 00:38:14.050 done for sure and then yeah next we got the big 00:38:14.050 --> 00:38:17.969 finale two episodes so see what happens we'll 00:38:17.969 --> 00:38:20.349 see you next time next time folks uh thank you 00:38:20.349 --> 00:38:22.389 all for listening if you are interested in supporting 00:38:22.389 --> 00:38:25.030 us we are on patreon at patreon .com slash cage 00:38:25.030 --> 00:38:27.570 match uh thank you to our sparkle buddies josh 00:38:27.570 --> 00:38:30.289 josie matt adam bill stewart and willow and to 00:38:30.289 --> 00:38:33.409 our cage dancers john freeman nathan and cameron 00:38:33.409 --> 00:38:35.550 and of course thank you to bill panks for our 00:38:35.550 --> 00:38:39.989 intro music thanks bill and yeah don't get bitten 00:38:39.989 --> 00:38:43.650 by a man spider or do Or maybe do. I don't know. 00:38:43.670 --> 00:38:45.429 It seems like it worked. Radioactive man spider. 00:38:45.710 --> 00:38:50.150 Safest way to get powers. Yeah. Do it. Slop them 00:38:50.150 --> 00:38:58.449 up. Slop them up, boys. Bye. Bye.