Oh, God. I got home from my Pathfinder game last
night and stopped in at a tap room to see my
friend Kindra. hockey was playing on the big
tv and i was just like when when did they all
have gay sex that's that's what hockey's about
right that's what the internet has told me hockey
is about i mean i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure
all sports have been a little bit gay forever
but they've just claimed that they're not which
is really stupid it's like yeah let's just pretend
that there have been no gays ever because it's
inconvenient for our narrative They touch a lot
of butts in sports. Easier and more accessible.
I think hockey is one of the few sports where
you have the least amount of like sexualizable
body parts shown during game. During games. Yes.
Yeah. There's a reason why they take their helmets
off so they can fight. There's they are not allowed
to wear face masks. So, you know, the mouth is
always exposed. I did see a guy. I did. It's
actually the opposite. They're very allowed to
wear face masks. It's just that none of them
want to. Is that right? yeah wow that's so dumb
they had to actually enforce like the visors
and some of them are grandfathered in the last
guy to be grandfathered in without a visor like
retired recently that's amazing some guys like
push it to where it's only like barely covering
like halfway down the eyes it's pushed back so
far i saw a guy catch a fucking puck to the teeth
the other night yeah an 87 miler Yeah, the photos
of him because he suited up for the next game.
He's wearing a full cage and his nose looks like
it was stitched back on completely. Holy shit.
Yeah, it's crazy. I feel like there's no chance
I would play that sport without protection. Yeah.
Yeah, the women are a lot smarter and they either
have to wear like full face. Like Plexi or. You
could have just ended with the women are a lot
smarter in most sentences. Yeah. Most paragraphs
could end there. Yeah. I could never figure out
how to make a sandwich the way they make a sandwich.
Like they just got it where it counts. You know,
I tell you. I walked into that one. Those women.
You did. You did kind of fall into that trap.
I did set them up. Set them up, knock them down.
Yeah. Yeah. See. Hey, we get an explanation as
to why he talks that way. yeah fucking yeah good
on me i fucking called that one i called my shot
early uh so welcome back to cage magical and
roundabout way meeting nicholas cage i'm sean
say and i'm here with my co -host nick yeah and
our producer Peter. Nipples. My nipples. Nipples
and chon productions. Oh, yeah, chon. I want
I OK, I tried to watch a little bit of the show
in color this go around and I wanted to look
more like Dick Tracy. if it's gonna be in color
i want it to be more i want it to be more like
over the top a little more i will say yeah i
will correct myself uh i did find out i was wrong
about not over correcting color uh last time
because they a lot of their interior backgrounds
were like hot pink and like actually painted
for extreme shadow and in the 11th hour they
recolorized the entire show ew why yeah huh Because
people won't watch Black and White. Oh, yeah.
I mean, I don't think we're getting another season
of this because this show wound up costing like
hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce.
Well, hopefully more than hundreds of thousands.
Yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce
sounds pretty cheap. Hundreds of millions because
they had to recolorize the entire show. Yeah.
Well, maybe they'll just do all future stuff
in Black and White. Yeah, it seems like they
fucked themselves on that, but yeah. I mean,
if this is all we get. i think it ends on a great
note i agree but we're not there yet no but i
do know people who just straight up i mean we
talked about this last time will not watch something
in black and white yeah it's true and that's
too bad because it does look best that way particularly
these two episodes which are really the most
horror show shit that we get this entire show
yeah so up front we're gonna spoil everything
uh if you don't know that yet you should you
haven't been listening to us we're gonna just
run through the plot line for episodes five and
six of spider noir and um i mean up off the top
if you don't know nick cage plays ben reilly
um aka the spider moran morris plays his buddy
and photographer friend and reporter robbie robertson
his name is joe robbie robertson robertson yeah
Lin Jun Lee, John Lee plays. Thank you. I got
it on tech. Take number two plays. Why do I want
to call her cat power? Cat power would be cool,
though. Brendan Gleeson plays the big bad Silvermane.
I don't remember who plays Flint Marco, but he's
there. He has a sick little mustache, little
mustache. Yeah, there's a guy who is Tombstone.
And there's also a guy who is Megawatt. Is it
OK? So my friend. and i got into this my friend
pointed out like he's got scaly like face is
he just supposed to be the lizard have we just
been dumb no they call him tombstone yeah and
you know they shoot him and it doesn't penetrate
his study i'm just trying to figure out why he
has the like no i think it's just a silly character
design yeah so okay so one of the big things
that's revealed through this entire two episode
arc is that They all are part of this like German
World War One experimentation thing, right? You
know, the Germans are fucking with crazy shit
and using POWs to test it on. They show all these
people with like organic creatures being infused.
But then the big bads that we have are an electricity
guy, a fire guy who dies in episode one, a stone
guy and a sand guy. OK, electricity guy could
be like an electric eel. Yeah, they do say electric
eel. Yeah, I think there was some like a shot
with an eel. There was a shot with an eel. And
Ben Reilly brings it up at some point, but I
think it was just an eel man. The evil scientist,
when she's describing, is like, they were, you
know, their blood was mixed with animals. Beat.
And other things. And minerals. There was a hand
-waved line in there somewhere about how like,
oh, wait, let's make sure. I just feel like they
could have easily gotten in a scorpion or something
else that is probably a special effects issue.
Could be. I just found it interesting that they
picked the non -creature versions. Yeah. I do
like the one change to the lore of this where
Ben Reilly doesn't get his spider amazing spider
powers from being bitten by a radioactive spider,
but rather by being bitten by a radioactive man.
Yeah, man spider is so good. Man spider is good.
I like I mean, it's pretty horrifying to look
at. Yeah, the practical effect on that is really
good. Yeah, man spider is great. No, I'm not
going to do my dumb joke. Peter already heard
my dumb joke. Oh, man. So you're actually screening
your jokes now? I usually do. Why couldn't this
have started happening years ago? Say your joke,
Sean. All right. No, no, I fucked it up. Yeah,
it can happen. All right, fine, because the people
want it. Yeah, we ran a quick poll. So if he
was bitten by a radioactive Spider -Man, does
that make him Spider -Man Man? yep okay that's
what we were all clamoring for yeah we needed
that people wanted i guarantee you i guarantee
you bill appreciated that i'm sure bill will
when when bill listens to this in cyprus or wherever
he is right now yeah um okay so yeah the whole
thing kind of starts out the the reveal of the
background right this world war one experimentation
stuff um ben getting bitten by man spider um
it starts out because he's explaining his past
to cat hardy correct yeah yeah he's in a diner
and tells us the whole like war story to cat
right free pie free pie yeah in in this a depression
in this economy yeah free blueberries all right
they just liked interracial couples at that place
yeah You know, they were as they did in the 20s,
30s, whatever it was. Yeah. Loved mixing. Oh,
man. OK, so World War One. Yeah. Yeah. He liberates
a town. There's lots of shooting. He found some
experiments. He was bit by a man spider. And
we get a lot of like good cagery. Fuck. When
he is going through his recovery. Yeah. His recovery
is so good. All these like poses that he keeps
getting himself into. We get a digitally de -aged
Nick Cage. That doesn't look terrible. I was
going to say the de -aging effect was pretty
decent. You know, as far as those go, I thought
it looked OK. I don't know what that looked like
in color. I only saw it in black and white. Maybe
that's probably probably fakier, but. But we
also get an explanation for his weird twitching,
which is when he got bit like his. brain essentially
kind of like rewired itself to be more spider
than man so we had to relearn to be a man uh
we had to relearn how to walk and like move properly
and speak hence why he talks like a caricature
of a gum like a gumshoe from the movies because
that's how he retaught himself to speak i called
it I mean, I'm glad they explained it. It does
make sense. I mean, I think it could have been
easily just that he's a guy from the 20s, 30s
who like talks weird. I mean, they all did in
those movies. But yeah, I mean, I like that,
you know, it was a relearning how to integrate
into society concept. I think that's kind of
cool because they could have just easily hand
waved that away. One thing that I was curious
about, he does a lot of back posing. Do spiders
go on their backs a lot? Like, well, when you
like smack a spider. and yeah like it gets all
curly yeah it's always on its back like those
legs don't go the other way no but i mean why
was he doing death poses yeah as an alive guy
because nicholas cage is a character actor yeah
because it's awesome it was awesome i can almost
guarantee you not in the script i will say it's
it's pretty hard to get um like video recordings
of any of these shows because there's all this
like drm shit to protect it but i am definitely
going to find a way to get footage of him doing
those poses because it's fantastic yeah it's
some of my favorite body work he's done maybe
ever um these two episodes in particular are
fucking crushing it for that yeah what else has
he really done like great like body and movement
stuff we get his sneakiness in uh yeah peggy
sue i mean he does some body stuff in um long
legs renfield long legs and renfield yeah that
might be the most of it i mean he's pretty fucking
wild in vampire's kiss but it's less like herky
jerky yeah quote unquote spider poses wild at
heart yeah a lot of kicking and flipping yeah
that was definitely his most like cool closing
other than con air but con air he's more just
like roundhouse kicking yeah more or physically
active yeah oh jean -claude van damme yeah so
yeah the the kg motions so good it fits so well
in the the story and also just gave us gave us
what we wanted yes Like a Spider -Man man joke.
It just gave us what we were all asking for.
What the people want. I really noticed in this
back half of the series, they played to the black
and white so much better. I felt there's like,
especially when we get into the lab, the like
the horse side of things. yeah the scenery really
kind of uh gives itself up to it a lot better
yeah there's a shot of him being dragged down
the stairs and it's just his feet in the rain
in the dark and it's really pretty amazing that's
in that's in the next episode but yeah yeah um
okay so the big reveal from the first or the
the jesus christ our second episode about episodes
three and four God, this is a horrible way to
have to talk about it. It is. I'm going to let
you do it. Is that Lonnie Lincoln Tombstone reveals
that they have all been seeing Doc Faber. So
all signs point to this doctor and they decide
to go and do some snooping. Yep. And snoop they
do. Yeah, they. Well, so I was reviewing my notes.
Yeah. So like Robbie goes in to ask the doc some
questions after Robbie gets. His second article
published. Mm hmm. He uses his credentials at
the Bugle to get in. So I think his second one's
been published by this point. Doc Faber has like
an older bodyguard slash secretary that's very
protective of her. But while they're talking
to Robbie, the spider spiders his way very in
an old man fashion. Yeah. Into. Into her office
to like start snooping. Yeah, so Ben climbs through
the window. He doesn't spider in. He doesn't
have the mask on or anything. That's true. He
just comes in from the roof. He did climb onto
the roof to get there, but yes. But he stumbles
in through the window. And yeah, when Robbie
can't distract the doctor any longer while Nick
is or Ben is digging through and finding all
of the secret drawers and stuff of that nature,
the doctor bursts back in. ben has secreted the
uh you that's a gross way he's secreted the files
the files out through the window uh he does like
a really crazy like uh crazy person thing yeah
that little hand motion uh josie and i were talking
about the second floor The second floor. Some
people online were saying that they suspect it
was like an homage to David Lynch's fire walk
with me stuff. I saw that, too, actually. And
some people kicked it back to like also doing
things like that in a. He did that with long
legs, with long legs as well. The face covering
thing. Yeah. So definitely a thing that Nick
does, but it very much could be inspired by some
David Lynch. yeah weirdness which you know fair
enough doesn't surprise me yeah i would expect
that from him to pull something from david lynch's
world but her assistant ogden recognizes him
because he recognizes him from france from the
pow camp yeah which gives us the reveal that
he's actually one of the pows that was saved
but he got experimented on and his superpower
is oldness aging yeah rapidly no one ages like
ogden ages i don't think we get that right away
there but maybe not no that's at the beginning
of the next episode but yeah but uh ben and robbie
get away with the files and they're able to look
over the all of that back at the the office later
so after that it goes into just a return to megawatt
who's been broken out of prison at this point
okay so megawatt in the first episode that we
meet him in episode four i was like he's like
so on the nose for this show and i hate him yeah
he's so fucking annoying and then in this episode
i was like he still is annoying as shit and i
love him everything he does is just so annoying
it's like 11 just peaking all the time all the
time he's always quoting shakespeare he's super
like theatrical weak but you know kudos to the
writers we get a reason that he wants to be a
broadway performer but is instead uh just a subway
subway driver right right so he's getting beat
up in the in the joint you know yeah making mouthing
off the fucking cops as you do he gets beat up
quite a bit but then silvermane and his crew
show up oh that's right because they've recruited
tombstone yeah yeah they've uh flint recruited
tombstone flint tombstone show up they uh beat
up the cops and take him out to uh go meet silvermane
who makes him a deal and then megawatt kills
a guard with a kiss and it's weird that's exactly
how i wrote it he kissed him to death Yeah, he
did. He shocked him while kissing him. One of
my notes was one of my notes was about Tombstone
and Sandman. I said, oh, Exima man and the bumps
back together again. Well, after but speaking
of it being weird, your note of it being weird.
As soon as that happens, I think it just cuts
to Silverman who goes, oh, it's weird. Yeah,
he did. I loved his expression. Brendan Gleeson
is so good. He's clearly my favorite actor in
this other than Nicolas Cage. Sorry. I love that
he's doing. an irish accent yeah it's like you
could just be irish but no no you gotta amp it
up with a little extra irishness yeah oh okay
sorry i've got to back up for a second one of
my favorite lines of this entire fucking episode
is when robbie goes to the hospital to try and
like confront the doctor right so he's talking
to this shitty racist nurse at the desk oh yeah
and she's just ignoring him and ignoring him
he shows his credentials and she's like begrudgingly
you know this and she's reading all quiet on
the western front and he just goes he says paul
dies paul dies at the end and walks away yeah
probably it's just my favorite character in this
entire show in like the third or fourth episode
when he goes and talks to the editor at the bugle
and he's leaving i was like do i have this open
or closed closed and he just walks away with
the door open oh my god yeah i love just the
kind of snarky dickishness that most people have
in this Like almost everybody is a little snarky
and a little dickish and it's terrific. It is
terrific. The only people who are never that
way, I think are like Flint. Flint is just like
a good guy who keeps getting like his heart broken
and doesn't know what to do. Right. It throws
in with the wrong crowd. I do want to say I do
enjoy the three core characters of. ben robbie
and janet uh because before they go and steal
the files ben comes in and like they tell him
it's so good like you know they tell him all
the stuff they learned in about the doc and lonnie
and like you know they have a lead like well
what are we waiting for he's like you asshole
yeah i love also when he's he's sort of like
he makes these leaps of you know intelligence
or whatever and they're like whoa well that's
why you're the detective that's why your name
is on the door and he's like okay so you already
knew yeah oh god yeah yeah there's there's good
uh good interplay between all the characters
yeah i mean i think it really looks like they're
fun and comfortable around each other right like
janet and robbie seem like actual friends who
understand the banter that they would have in
this like long -term relationship it feels very
real it's cool i mean it's very easy energy and
like salty at the same time yeah yeah the characters
have history beyond episode one right which is
nice yeah oh after uh they break uh megawatt
out and everything uh it just goes back to ben
showing up at silver mains and then they talk
uh some mad shit to each other uh that's right
yeah flint comes in and kind of like gets in
ben's face and then like he leaves oh and we
get another hot dog line yeah we get another
hot dog line that's good i love the hot dogs
in this i'm still disgusted by the way he eats
them some gross maybe it's like how spiders eat
a hot maybe spiders eat a hot dog yeah just goes
for the gooeyness i was gonna say he eats them
like a spider For those of you who haven't watched
the show, he like he just wraps him in webbing
and then just like sucks it out with a straw.
Yeah. Yeah. So he just confronts him about like
knowing about him and Kat. And then, yeah, exactly.
Ben leaves him with a hot dog at the game is
better than a roast beef at the Met or the Ritz.
Yeah. Which is great. Think about it. Yeah. It's
a good one. You get to live and have fun. Right.
Hot dog or roast beef at the Ritz. What kind
of life is that? Stuck under the thumb of silver,
man. Yep. And that's where they just disappear.
Ben goes up, talks to Kat back at her place.
They talk about the doctor, and then they're
like, oh, we got to run away. Let's go to France.
We'll get out of here together. Oh, they're going
to go to Santorini. Santorini, yeah. I can't
remember what gives Kat the idea to go to the
dock. It's Lonnie Tombstone. He goes and talks
to her and is like... It's coming up. Yeah, yeah.
It's later. Kat's packing. Lonnie shows up and
takes her to Flint, who shows that he's a henchman
for life. They almost kill Kat by toppling some
platforms. Oh, that's right. Lonnie tells her
about the doctor then. And that's about how the
doctor is trying to find a cure. And the spider
could be the key to the cure because he's the
only one who hasn't degraded or anything. Yeah.
So then Kat disappears and goes and tells the
doctor. A lot of rain in these two episodes.
Yes. Rain is best. Rain is great. Yeah. It really
comes out really well. In the black and white.
In the black and white. It's fucking awesome.
I mean, best, best shot of the rain. is the opening
for episode eight. But I agree. But here in episode
five, this is pretty good rain, too. It's good
rain. Episode six has good rain, too. We'll get
into that in a second. So that's the that's the
whole of the episode. Like nothing else happens.
She meets the doctor there at the office as the
doctor is cleaning up and getting ready to flee
and tells her that she knows that Ben Reilly
is the spider. Yeah. What did you guys think
of the doctor in her performance in general in
this episode? I mean, we can talk about it in
both. In this episode, it's, you know, menacing,
but fairly sedate. We don't get any like really
good, like mad scientist vibes till the next
episode. Next episode definitely amps it up.
I do like the way it sets it all up for that,
where it's like she does feel a little unhinged
and she does feel like there's some sort of weird
complication with Ogden, you know, so. yeah she's
very much a goal -oriented business lady yeah
and i mean you do get the vibe that she is doing
like she does want to help these people yeah
she wants to help them because she's trying to
help yeah we i mean we learned that we learned
why in the next episode but i do think like even
when uh robbie's interviewing her i don't get
the feeling that she's trying to weaponize the
superhumans at all she seems like she's trying
to help yeah yeah she she does have good motivations
but her execution is a little bit lacking yeah
so yeah so then it rolls into episode six um
and we've got another good rain shot rain pouring
down on this random guy in an alley um which
turns out to be ogden the assistant hoggy going
to uh Talk to Ben Reilly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
Ben's just packing up to leave. Gets a little
knock on the door. You know, while he's got his
spider mask in his hand, he's getting ready to
leave the whole life behind. Santorini. Live
on Santorini with Kat. Opens the door. It's Ogden.
Whoa. He tells his story about being experimented
on and how it's just making him old, which is
a shitty superpower. And I don't think he says
that, but we all know it. We also get the line
of him having recognized Ben. Yeah, yeah. He
changed his name. War history. Yeah, I like that.
I like that they do mention the name change.
So I think we can kind of check that off as like
he is probably Peter Parker changed his name
to avoid all the, you know, people following
up on him because he got weird spider powers.
Yeah, definitely trying to distance himself from
that, which is also stupid because to change
your name, you. legally change it with the government
it's not like it's a big leap to be I don't know.
In the 20s, you could just start calling yourself.
You could just call yourself something else.
It wouldn't take too much to get like a piece
of paper reprinted. That's fair. Forgery wasn't
as complicated as it is now. All right. All right.
I'll give it to you. No holographic blacklight
imagery. So now he's been Riley. No microchips.
Come on, Peter. It's the 20s. No 5G in my blood.
Hot dog at the game is better than roast beef
at the Ritz, you fool. Come on. Hmm. Yeah. oh
one of the things that i i just was thinking
about visuals in this because this episode is
very like stark strong visuals i mean it's like
a horror show but all the wavy glass oh yeah
in all these old buildings i'm so glad they did
that because it's like it feels so true you know
you're looking at the the you know editor -in
-chief at the bugle and he's all like warped
and funny looking because that glass and it's
just it's interesting how like glass technology
changed and they bothered to do that yeah I mean,
it looks way better. It does. It adds so much
environmental character to the way everything
is shot. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, so what? Ogden
tries to convince him to help. He doesn't want
to help. And then he's like, I'll just drug you
instead. So he slips him with a needle and drags
his body out, which is where we get cool boots
running downstairs. Boots going down the stairs.
Boots in a puddle. Boots in a puddle. This is
also where we get the first time that, like,
Ben claims that the only reason he was ever the
spider was for, you know, the thrill of it, not
because he's a. Yeah. Yeah. He tries playing
it off. Right. So also, I just have to say, as
he's packing all this shit, he has a drawer that's
just full of pillowcases. It's so many pillowcases.
Did you notice that? It's like, what the fuck?
You have a single bed. Yeah. One pillow. Maybe
they were all Ruby's favorite pillowcases. Maybe,
yeah. Gotta keep your Ruby photo somewhere. That's
right. Under all the pillowcases that remind
you of her. Yep, so you tuck it back in when
you go to leave with Kat. Leave that Ruby photo.
Weird, you ding -a -ling. Yeah, I like how he
keeps the photo of his dead fiancée at the bottom
of a cupboard with his money. Yeah, just hidden.
so yeah then you get into the horror show shit
of it so they have a secret lab yeah he's dragged
down to the lab he's all restrained they like
bandage up his hands so he can't web stuff and
then they uh cuff him down to the bed and you
know pretty good pretty good uh effort put into
it and faber explains everything yeah yeah classic
villain style i love how many times in my notes
i got to just type out so and so explains everything
it's like oh perfect you know it's funny let's
not skimp on the narrative there would be certain
shows that that would really piss me off but
for some reason in this one i'm like yeah it
just works i don't know like now i'm gonna explain
my whole thing it's part of the trope of like
early filmmaking as well which i think helps
sure and unlike other things i've seen recently
it's not just It still feels naturalistic, like
people talking to each other rather than just
people monologuing at each other, which is all
the Mandalorian Grogu was, was just like characters
talking about themselves in the general direction
of other characters. Mm hmm. so yeah then i mean
we get a lot of like weird experimentation on
him we get more flashbacks yeah we get that first
flashback of him like exploring his hand wound
and pulling the web goop out of it like yeah
gets all this is where he like does the most
of those like little body ticks yeah pulls his
webbing out that's great talking to the general
or whoever it is yeah the whole time he's just
like trying to keep it under control and yeah
i thought that costume for the general or whatever
was super weird until josie pulled up like a
photo because she also thought it was super weird
is that what they looked like yeah they just
kind of had that sort of like weird outfit with
those like tall hats and everything and like
the big uh neck thing you know early hugo boss
kind of stuff right before the nazis made that
not cool right Yeah, so we get all that kind
of an explanation that, you know, they were going
to do a bunch of shit to his body to find out
what was going on. But they didn't do a good
enough job. Ben says like they pulled him apart
and like took all his shit out and put it back
and just really fucked with him. Yep. So then
she takes his blood. Yep. Yeah, she takes his
blood. It's super normal blood. That's frustrating.
Which means let's look at some more shit. Yeah.
What do you think it is? His pancreas? Well,
I mean, they explain it's liver. She says his
liver. It's right there on the Petri dish. Oh,
that's right. Liver enzyme. I'm more appropriate
to call it a Riley dish at this point. That's
right. Not a Pete. Pete. We changed the name.
So you both have a bad joke. Yeah, but mine's
intentionally awful. Oh, mine wasn't good. I
didn't think it was good. Just unintentionally
not as good as you hoped. Oh, still better than
mine. I loved when he's getting knocked out and
they're like, he's trying to say something. He
just goes, I love ravioli. That's so good. Oh,
we're going to get you so much ravioli. I don't
know how many lines Nick Cage just like got to
make up. I don't know, but I hope, I hope there
was a good number. Yeah. I hope they let him
do. Ravioli seems definitely like something he
would do. It feels like it. Yeah. um so yeah
he gets drugged and he has like crazy dreams
with like spider legs crawling out of his face
we get like the horror of this this is coming
from his wounds the mask turning into a spider
like yeah we get some real good like cronenberg
-esque uh body horror in this uh like if the
ether mask like the legs grow out of it like
turn into a tarantula on his face she cuts him
open like spiders just pour out of the wounds
i know i don't even dislike spiders and i was
pretty like yucked out it's pretty gross oh no
the body horror in this episode was so good absolutely
we get a return of man spider in the dream yeah
welcome back man spider i love man spider uh
the only part of this whole sequence that i really
didn't care for was like just when he was tiny
like running away from the car and stuff it just
it didn't look great but the rest of it was so
good i liked tiny because it put like everything
that's been happening to him up like uh almost
like he was seeing it on movie screens and so
he was reliving everything that's been going
on with him through that yeah uh kind of i just
didn't think visually like the car just the cg
world it's maybe a little bit weak but i like
the concept of it yeah But we also got to see
him interacting with Ruby and she calls him a
ding -a -ling, which I really liked. And then
he's wearing a nerd outfit. Looks like such a
dork. Yeah, she also talks like a caricature,
but it's his memory, so that makes sense. So
then it all kind of boils down to Eczema Boy
and the Bumps and Megawatt. coming to collect
more supers right talk to the doctor find out
there's other so ben wakes up he's you know clearly
been operated on he uh manages to get his wrist
free nobody's around so he like after a few attempts
is able to sling up those keys and get himself
uh unrestrained and starts like uh trying to
get himself out while uh downstairs like favor
finds a cure cures ogden so he looks like he's
dirty then like tells him you know hey we got
to get out of here but uh we're gonna have to
torch the place and get rid of him because he's
a loose end so ogden's like i'll do it i'll i'll
go up there and look him in the eye soldier to
soldier And at the same time, like all of Silvermane's
crew and entourage is showing up. So we get,
you know, little jumps back and forth between
the three sections of the scene with them coming
in. I love this. I love the sequence where Ogden
and Peter Ogden and Ben are like escaping in
the elevator. And then we get. silvermane coming
to the elevator the doors open and silvermane
and the crew walk in and you're like okay these
things are happening at different times like
this isn't like we're cutting back and forth
between times and then they leave the elevator
or no then they have robbie's paper which is
how they found the place because robbie printed
and a little bit of goo like hits the paper i
mean is blood not goo what is blood not goo Not
all goo is blood, but all blood is goo. I think
all blood is goo. Blood is good. I like blood
is good. Ben, Ben bitered his way up on the ceiling
with Ogden. Like, I thought that was a nice little
like sequence. uh yeah i did too um i like when
the the gang shows up and lonnie walks up to
the door and he's just like these doors just
keep getting bigger and it still just is like
just still rips it right off the hinges uh yeah
and then silverman goes down confronts the uh
the doctor about all this yeah she's like uh
or he's like i want to see all the other like
soldiers you've helped and she's like well they're
all right back here and then it's all just like
busted up bodies and like back to tanks and stuff
yeah guy with shrimp feet in his mouth uh which
could happen to you a bunch of gross fuckers
yeah yeah and then uh megawatt's like oh you're
not helping them you're just killing making monsters
and killing them so he shocks the doctor and
that's when ogden shows back up and he's like
you can't shock my mommy and he shoots a megawatt
and then megawatt's like you you can't shoot
me you can't shoot me so he like goes to like
take them all down and like the gun gets knocked
out of his hand and a fire starts and everybody
is on the ground and then silvermane's like let's
get out of here this place sucks and so they
leave But before that, Ben has stolen the antidote.
Yeah, Ben went back, got his clothes and stuff,
stole the antidote, stole the liver Petri dish,
which doesn't matter anymore because took his
name off of it, which then it gets blown up anyway.
Who cares? Yeah, but it was good of him to like
cover his tracks. Yeah. And then we see Ben outside
and the place explodes and Silverman's crew escapes
and probably get pretty drunk. I don't know.
Yeah. Episode six in the can. Everyone lives
happily ever after. Yep. i think it was good
i think it's uh like the horror stuff played
really well for me i liked that i think it's
interesting because it's very different than
the first four episodes i think there's a lot
of like the interpersonal play between all these
different characters it kind of develops more
i think it was solid two episodes yeah and i
liked the uh diversity in like locations and
stuff getting that uh the secret warehouse laboratory
thing gave a lot of like opportunities for different
like depths and like field of vision kind of
things plus you know old laboratories with cool
back to tanks and stuff uh awesome tanks full
of monsters good i really appreciated with these
two episodes that when we got the backstory it
was we didn't get a full episode outside of the
sequence of like him in the war we just got like
maybe a combined seven minutes of backstory throughout
these two episodes which is the appropriate amount
yeah no given that we only had eight episodes
i was really worried we'd get a whole just kind
of throw away like flashback episode i think
up to this point every episode has mattered well
yeah like it all kind of carries this story it's
been a tight show yeah i think it's a it's well
done for sure and then yeah next we got the big
finale two episodes so see what happens we'll
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