Oh God. We need a cold open. I got a cold open
for us. Give it a beat. Oh, okay. Well then we
don't need one. Is it a tombstone joke? What's
what's cold? I don't know. I mean, this is episode,
we're doing episode, we're doing the second episode
now, right? Well, yeah. Second episode, episode
three and four. Episode two, three and four,
go. We need a cold open to our episode, which
is this. I just learned this weird fact. Camille
Nagyane doesn't have nipples. What? He was born
without nipples. What? Haven't I seen him shirtless
a bunch? Do they give him nipples? Do they nipple
him? I don't think we've seen him shirtless that
much. I'm googling this. It was on Taskmaster
this week. The task was to unnecessarily censor
something. So he cut the nipple spot off his
shirt and censored it. And the joke was, I don't
have nipples. So one, I'm a man. You don't need
to censor my tits. And two, there's nothing to
censor. Weird. Yeah. Doesn't have nipples. Are
you fact -checking this? Yes. Why would I lie
about this? I don't know. That's a good question.
Why would you lie about this? I'm not implying
that you're lying about this. I'm implying that
something you heard on Taskmaster might not necessarily
have been a fact. What is prevented in this entertainment?
He's the one who said he doesn't have nipples.
He was the one telling the story. The perfect
person to make up the lie. I say a lot of things,
too. I mean, like, I'm looking at a picture of
him with nipples. yeah because he got super jacked
i feel like he showed a bunch of marvel pics
where he had and now i'm wondering if they gave
him fake nips but well here's older like side
by sides yeah he's got nipples i think his nipples
might just be misplaced i'm looking at a lot
of photos of kumail nanjiani's nipples so obviously
we're here to talk about episodes three and four
of spider noir welcome back and if this is your
first episode listening to us what the fuck are
you doing Welcome back to HageMatch colon roundabout
way of meeting Nicholas Gage. I'm your host Sean
here with my co -host. Nipples. And our producer.
Peter, hello. None of us have nipples. Fact check
it. Nipples are a lie. They're a lie put on us
by Big Nipple. Big Nipple. Yeah. nobody's born
with nipples they do that to you when you're
a baby yeah they add them in you come out they
spank you and they give you a titty twister and
what's left over is the nipple yeah and see if
you're a boy and you get circumcised that's how
they build the nipple material oh they just put
the foreskin i don't know what they did for you
sean this this would explain why why it's all
areola and no nip maybe that's maybe that's his
thing maybe he just has areolas maybe he just
doesn't have the nubs because i don't have the
nubs maybe that's what he's talking about Okay.
Back to Google. Nick is back on his phone. Enhance.
Zoom in. Yeah. Episode three and four of Spider
Noir. It's still good. Still good. I think there's
a hint of shadow underneath that one. There must
be a nipple. So episode three. This is the rest
of Nick's episode. Episode three for me, it like
maybe lost my attention. a little bit more than
the first two had held it but it ends really
strong i i still think it was good but it was
one of those like oh no am i did i just like
really love the first two um but then i got sucked
back in because there's a lot of good silvermane
shit and silvermane's a good bad guy there's
a lot of good silvermane shit we get a little
bit more of in these two episodes we get a little
bit more of like ben being a little weird being
a little quirky um there was one scene that i
really wanted to pay off more that i don't think
is coming back it's just like nick cage being
nick cage but there's like there's a scene where
ben's killing time and he goes to like see a
gangster movie and he's just repeating the lines
back and i'm like cool is that why he fucking
talks that way and no one else does because he's
trying to be a hard -boiled detective And I don't
think that's the joke. I don't think that's the
rub. And I really want it to be because I just
want some reason why he's like this. Sure. Yeah.
What were 30s movies like at the time? Did they
have hardboiled detective flicks or was it like,
hey, this one is train? Yeah. It's a train coming
at you. I Googled this. So the first talk he
was in, the first talk he was in 27. okay all
right so this is 30s you know yeah so it wasn't
train it was beyond that yeah it wasn't just
like a building falling around one guy you know
the classics yeah i do love a good buster keaton
though buster keaton is great i thought johnny
knoxville almost died johnny knoxville almost
died from a building buster keaton style falling
on him yes uh the end of jackass 2 there's a
musical number where like uh they do like the
buster keaton like building fall and it like
just goes right on johnny and the first took
take the first take they took uh he was like
getting ready and they were like what no matter
what you do do not move from that spot um or
you will die and then They're like, OK, wait,
no, we have to reset. And he took a step. But
somebody already like released the building.
Oh, no. Collapsed on him. Wow. That's fucking
terrifying. I am. I. To prepare for the final
jackass film, I've gone back and watched the
first two. And I'm just like, one, I'm older
now and it just looks painful. It doesn't look
funny anymore. No. I also did a lot of gross
shit that I also just like. Why? Like Steve -O,
Steve -O, like snorting like straight wasabi.
I'm like. Yeah, it's it's a lot of suffering
that I feel like they just don't need to put
themselves through. Also, what the fuck happened
to Steve -O's voice? Have you heard him? Yeah.
He's got RFK voice for sure. it's weird i don't
like it i do appreciate that steve -o got like
a portrait of himself tattooed on his back i
do like that too nobody's got a cooler portrait
tattoo than roger stone what he's got like a
maybe larger than life size tattoo of richard
nixon yeah like between his shoulder blades whoa
yeah he's just got a big old richard nixon just
the head fucking jowls galore yeah giant just
a giant dick on his back yeah exactly roger stone
is the one person from the uh the trump atmosphere
that i'm sad we don't have more of like of all
the people that we got left with i know we got
like a lot of stephen miller yeah we get fucking
nosferatu and rfk and all these like kind of
idiots and whatever oh yeah it's a little smaller
than life size but um okay yeah that is so weird
but this legitimate like villain we don't get
enough of like he top hat like round black like
yeah glasses richard nixon tattoo well okay so
this this episode we get we get more we're silvermane
shit and i think he does a good job being a fucking
villain yeah he's just he's he's a really really
effective villain but he's also like sort of
weirdly humanized in this episode like you can
tell that he's almost afraid or something like
he sleeps in that giant bed but he looks kind
of like a baby oh yeah yeah yeah i don't know
i like him i think brennan gleason's fucking
awesome though i liked when he looked underneath
the bed yeah this episode he hires Ben to like
try and figure out who's trying to kill him because
he can't trust his own his own goons yeah find
the rat yeah yeah find the rat and then yeah
Ben as I mistakenly assumed in the first two
episodes like figures out he's marking all his
money so the spider breaks into Silvermane's
apartment to deal some money and a really cool
use of the spider sense to like trigger the tumblers
yeah with the tumblers yeah that was cool backing
up a little bit uh ben goes to find fire boy's
wife what was uh addison addison's wife because
he because he wants to figure out who put the
hit out on silvermane turns out it's felicia
um cat hardy cat hardy felicia hardy i'm gonna
get confused with spider -man lore here but cat
hardy um but He doesn't want Kat to take the
fall. So Addison's wife's like, well, you know,
unless you pay me a thousand dollars, I'm just
going to tell Silverman and get the money myself.
So he needs a thousand dollars. So I assumed
he was just going to steal a thousand dollars
when he breaks in and takes the money. But he's
actually taking the money to set up Winston.
I don't know that he knew that it was like marked
for Winston's money. Did he? Well, he knew the
money. He marks it himself. Well, Winston gives
him money. He knows that the money is marked.
Yeah, he takes the bribe from Winston. So he
just marks it in the same spot that Winston's
bills were marked. OK, that's pretty fucking
clever. Now, whether he knows that as Silvermane
gives up later that he marks everybody's bills
differently. Right. Like that, he wouldn't have
known. But he did know that the bills were marked.
He saw how they were marked with. Just like a
little point of ink on it. I thought that was
so clever. Just the fact that, yeah, he Winston
comes up to him. He says he like gets Winston
to bribe him so he could check the money, sees
that it's marked, goes and steals money, checks
that the bills aren't marked and then marks them
in the way that Winston would. So if he later
gets caught, he could say that, you know, Winston
was the rat, which is what happens. Yeah. By
the way, again, this is episode two of our four
episode. there's eight episodes for spotting
war yes yeah so in our four episode arc uh full
spoilers because we don't yeah right good call
yeah i mean if you're coming into episode two
talking about three and four and you didn't listen
to episode one talking about one and two where
we disclose that we're gonna yeah it's your own
fault like that's weird i mean it might be someone's
first episode you never know that'd be so weird
but if so welcome yeah thanks for listening yeah
my name is nipples Here with my co -host, Chon.
Did you say Chon? Yes. We've been doing this
too long. I know. So I think this episode sort
of it plays up a little bit more about the like
the interrelationships that are going on with
this. Like Cat Hardy wants to kill Silvermane
because he owns the club and. basically controls
her life right it's her owns her yeah she whatever
he has on her there's like a scene where she's
putting on a dress and she's like i don't even
know if i like it basically is what she's saying
he's like great box it up you know it's time
to go you know and he's her doll he's her playtime
exactly winston really nails it with the uh seems
like there's better things that we could be doing
with our time than playing dress up with dolls
yeah i don't like that guy's face at all but
i do like some of his lines yeah his character
is pretty good pretty good so for for henchmen
not bad upper tier henchmen yeah not bad yeah
who's your favorite who's your favorite henchman
in just media oh like all -time henchman all
-time goon all -time like who is it i don't mind
oh man are we gonna have the same one i hope
we have the same one Well, I mean, it's a real
tough one. Well, I can't remember his number
from Venture Brothers. Venture Brothers. He's
a good one, but I don't know. It might be, boy,
Beastman's a really good one from He -Man. Yeah.
That's a good Benjamin. And Starscream. Starscream's
a great one. You're all wrong, whatever you say,
because I'm going to tell you it is. It's Bob.
It's Bob from Batman 89. No lines, just. joker's
right hand man bob's pretty good oh yeah i mean
bob like hydra bob's pretty good too oh yeah
fucking batman 89 uh there was a bob action figure
he had a little hat i had it it was great hell
yeah yeah great i miss the i miss the era of
just like tie -in action figures uh toyetic shit
so good yeah so uh winston pretty decent henchman
I forgot where we were in all this. Well, so
then the whole episode is kind of about these
these interpersonal relationships. So like Flint
Marco and Kat Hardy are like kind of a thing.
Yeah. I mean, they definitely have like a sexual
vibe. Yeah. And maybe they're in love with each
other. But like like she was ready to run away
with him. But that could have also just been
because she was ready to run away. And yeah,
I couldn't quite get the vibe if she was playing
sexuality. on him in that way or if it was like
oh i actually really like this guy i think cat
is manipulative enough are we doing this are
we doing this chronologically are we talking
just episode three right now or yeah yeah yeah
discuss four as well i mean we'll get into it
too but i because i think all these all these
things that play out in three are for setting
up stuff in four the thing i want to talk about
is very specific to episode four so okay yeah
we'll get to that we'll loop back to cat and
relationships then uh but yeah so she tried to
get flint to like run away with her which leads
to her being at penn station but he doesn't show
yeah flint has an episode and he's like i'm dangerous
and he like runs away i'm too sandy all these
we haven't really addressed all these powered
people. They seem to have like a half life where
like the powers are starting to like take over
and it's, it's, uh, probably going to kill them.
Yeah. So it looks worse now. Yes. More trouble
bumps, like putting the power away. Yeah, basically.
So, uh, but cat, like, uh, when she's running
away, when Ben like confronts her, um, she gives
this great speech about how like you know silvermane
just wants to like keep her um and she's just
ultimately tired of just men making decisions
for like marco won't be with her because like
you know he's afraid she'll get hurt and she's
just like i just want to make my own decision
i'm gonna leave town and do that of course winston
tracked ben down and like caught them both yeah
winston had been tailing ben and ben led him
to at penn station yeah so they're now both hemmed
up with addison's wife oh yeah right so climax
of this episode is the like big who's the rat
yeah situation there's a shallow grave already
dug yeah out in the out in the woods uh winston
takes uh cat and ben and still remains there
and he he has some questions and It comes down
to like, oh, who's the rat? And Nick Cage is
like, well, I don't have all the information
yet. See? And then Winston's all like, I got
the answers and here's this. And it just kind
of alludes back to a speech that Ben gave to
Silvermane about people who claim to have all
the right answers. And you see it kind of click
with Silvermane. Yeah. And then it's like, oh,
well, let's see that money. because ben paid
addison with the marked bills yeah winston shook
down addison took the money and used that as
proof that ben and cat were bribing other people
but all the money said was that was money that
should have been paid to winston so winston gets
shot yep plugged right in the gut and then we
get like falls directly into the grave tight
get a little cliffy get a cliffy with the gun
we get we get the line read of like uh silvermane
telling ben to like dig another hole and then
we see we see we see the shot happened hard cut
to cat and ben in the club the next night so
clearly neither one of them is dead uh cut into
episode four when this happens and then we cut
back to the night before and nameless faceless
goon who was winston's like sidekick is the one
who got shot so Lazy transition there. Lazy.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, it feels like what you
would do for a TV cliffhanger. You know, it's
fine. Maybe it would have worked if this was
released weekly, but it's not. That is true.
I mean, when you can easily just roll in 30 or,
you know, 20 seconds after the episode ends.
Yeah, you don't have to wait a week. Right. Who
was it? Did they shoot Kat? Nope. How is Ben
going to get out? Yeah. Does this is the spider
power? I mean, but then we never see Addison's
wife again. So could it just been her and we'd
actually known her name? Yeah. Well, her name
is Vera, but it was Vera. But it was also just
weird that it was just the other goon who was
there. Yeah. Yeah. Whose name apparently was
Gio. There you go. Who knew? Yeah. Thanks, Internet.
Yeah. Was episode three where he shows up really
drunk to the office? Or was that episode four?
Let's see. No, that's episode four because that's
the start of four. Oh, okay. The start of four
is when Silvermane, because they solved it, they
figured out who the rat was. So they have a night
of drinking. Yeah, and Silvermane can fucking
put one on. Dude. when it's so back in episode
three when silvermane hires him and cage pours
him that whiskey every time gleason takes a drink
of it his face is just so good it's absolutely
like garbage whiskey he's just like yes when
he finally pours him like a good one yeah it's
like that's what a whiskey is yeah yeah i'm drinking
some yellow spot i feel like the best kind of
villains are the ones that you're like i like
you even though i know you're a like murderous
piece of shit yeah you know like i want to fucking
hang out with silvermane yeah your character
is not so far removed from my reality that i
can't get behind what's happening uh yeah i i
like that and then yes he gets to come back to
the office just housed and you get Just the silhouette
of him through his window, like dropping things,
trying to drop in the keys like 14 times. And
then when. Yeah. And then when Robbie's leaving
the office, like drops his coat, drops his hands
like, who am I? That's a good burn. Yeah. I love
the line. He's like, I need scrambled eggs and
sausages and a biscuit. Yeah. We also get Robbie
going to. Harlem to try and track down um Lonnie
boy Lonnie um and then at the end I think it's
the end of episode three we get the raid on the
Hooverville and uh Marco and Lonnie like beat
up some cops and Robbie gets the photos yeah
you're you're right because that's when that's
when his article comes out and it's like yeah
you know monsters are among us or whatever menace
like monsters menace manhattan or something yeah
i mean you got to go with the alliteration right
yeah and that's what we find out like and he's
trying to get his like desk job back and we we
learned that at the height of robbie's career
it's because he was writing about the spider
because he had the inside scoop and since the
spider's been mia for five years robbie's career
has tanked yeah yeah because robbie's been the
one who's been most adamant that the spider should
come back and you know maybe it's for some selfish
reasons because robbie's life ain't great right
now sure so yeah he he encounters lani bumpy
boy tombstone um by following a unhoused guy
who has like a special knock to hand off some
food yep at this old theater and then convinces
him that he's like on the right side of it then
they get him back to uh cage's office right yeah
and they start playing cards with him and trying
to get some more information out of him but earlier
in the episode there's this whole scene where
um cat and ben are hanging out in this old theater
which has also been a spot where flint marco
has like hid hidden himself for a while and they're
having kind of like an intimate conversation
we start to get more of that like relationship
crisscross stuff you know where it's like Are
they into each other? You know, is she playing
him? Is he actually attracted to her? And Flint
sees the whole thing, which drives him to go
back to Silvermane. He sees the whole thing.
And also Kat admits that she, you know, she finally
admits that she's the one who is trying to get
Silvermane killed because she's trying to get
her own freedom as well. Right. So she is actually
the traitor, which, you know, Marco also finds
out. Yeah. And he's a super loyal guy. That's
like. From episode one, they've hammered that
one. He's loyal, ultra loyal. So yeah, he goes
back to Silvermane. He's all sandy. Clearly is
like losing control of it more and more. And
Kat is hiding out at Ben's. Because she doesn't
want to be alone. And that's when she starts
kind of putting the moves on him. And this is
what I was alluding to earlier. I liked that
scene too. he's like she's like can i have a
drink he's like yeah i've got two glasses but
one of them's dirty i guess i'll drink out of
that one i like how he calls it like uh what
is it like a used glass yeah one of them is used
yeah i'll use i'll drink from that one well because
he says he only has one glass then he looks and
he says well i have another glass but it's used
yeah it's a used pickle but this is what i was
alluding to earlier is like i buy cat and ben's
like romance a little more because i assume she's
fucking with him like she's the femme fatale
like she's gonna double cross him in the end
so yeah like i don't need to buy that as a legitimate
romantic like entanglement because she's just
trying to get something out of him yeah it feels
like she's manipulating yeah you know he's a
mark right he's he's like a lonely guy who feels
bad because he was the cause of his fiance's
death yeah directly or indirectly you know do
like when like he she asked him like why he's
helping her why he's like doing all this and
he like it says talks about you know um what
had happened we do get a cut of the car drowning
scene but replace that as the central focus of
that nice nice little touch i just also am so
enamored with the backlit spider -man like underwater
like reaching I love that. I like his glowy eyes.
I was just going to say, when he breaks into
Silvermane's place, he always gets a of the eyes
lighting up. Yeah, it's cool. And the shots where
it's just the eyes in the shadows and you don't
see any of the silhouette. Or when Silvermane
makes a noise or whatever and he shuts them off
and then they just turn on elsewhere in a shadow.
Yeah, it's cool. On a ceiling or something. It's
really well done. OK, so this is this is going
to be one of those just weird. It's a me thing
that bothers me. It's a me. Sean. Sean. This
is going to be one of those weird like just I
know continuity wise it works, but costuming
I I don't think anyone would notice or think
too much about it. I hate the fact that they
didn't just like give him a slightly bigger hat
for when he has the mask on because the hat sits
so weird on the mask. it like the hat fits nick
cage's head the hat does not fit nick cage's
head with like a wool mask over it you gotta
think about going to a haberdasher and being
like okay i understand that my head is this big
because you just measured it but i need a hat
that's like a lot bigger but also it's just like
it's for a friend yeah if just costuming this
show if they just got a hat that fit the mask
i don't think anyone would pay that much attention
to it no one would care No, you wouldn't think
about it twice. Again, this is just because I'm
an artist, because I draw shit. I'm just like,
I want that to just fit better. And it annoys
me that it's just precariously just Velcro to
this to this mask. Yeah, that's fair. So let's
see. There's another conflict. There's the mayor.
There's that whole antic. So the mayor is trying
to win people back over to his side because it's
a reelection. But nobody likes him because he
sucks. silver main got him elected initially
um but he's outstayed his use and silver main's
got a new pony in the stable and the mayor's
like nope i'm gonna like the mayor's making a
power play uh silver main's waiting for the chief
of police to like show up for his like monthly
like tide tithe and doesn't show up because he's
out with the mayor and uh silver main comes in
like kind of blows up their spot and tries to
like throw his muscle around I do like when he
shows up at the mayor's table and the mayor like
tells his wife to like go powder her nose and
she's just like, get fucked. I know. I love that.
Yeah. So they have some words and then Tombstone
breaks the table. Sandman, Sandy, Sandy, Mandy.
I love when I love Silvermane. I love Silvermane
and the mayor bickering like an old married couple
and just the awkward like police chief just be
like, I'm going to go. It's like, no, you stay
right down. yeah so it's in these conversations
this episode that we get uh the connection that
like the mayor tipped off uh the police chief
to go do that and like told him to go do the
raid so it was like the mayor trying to put silvermane
down on the the whiskey smuggling right um well
because the mayor thinks he'll be able to win
re -election on his own by overturning prohibition
and silvermane makes most of his money on booze
booze which is again a great like just narrative
thread throughout all of this like yeah it's
good it's really solid tightly written show i
really appreciate it yeah so then ben and cat
are hanging out at the apartment getting horny
with each other and then on the radio they hear
an announcement that there's a super doing some
shit down in the diamond district yep so cat
immediately assumes it's flint and ben pretends
like he doesn't give a shit so she's like you
are a fucking coward yeah and leaves and then
he instantly gets into action it's like the second
his door closes he's like yeah spiders out and
then it's megawatt yeah a big big chubby guy
yeah okay i i absolutely love this version of
electro um because one big chubby guy but also
this is one of the one of the few characters
actors like really understood the assignment
oh yeah i agree this guy goes big he he feels
like he is from the 30s he is a caricature it's
great i like we get our first like legit like
super powered fight um we get to see the spider
in action for an extended scene it's a lot of
fun yeah he's slow he's he's out of practice
this show makes me think of nick did you ever
read spider -man reign spider -man reign uh no
it is like what what would be like a 60 year
old peter parker there's a lot of that in this
which i'm really appreciating just that you know
i love i love me an old superhero i love me an
old superhero is just like i got a bad back this
is a this is another example of where the true
hue i think actually works a little bit better
the electric powers don't look as good in black
and white as far as i could say yeah i i enjoyed
it in black and white because i like the contrast
of it uh i think that's one of the things about
the black and white that uh i like about the
effects like with the weapon the the electricity
and everything it just pops out more and it makes
the style more stylized the best shot is when
he puts his finger in the water and it shoots
that yeah current across that's that's pretty
tight but some of the ones where it's like arcing
up his body look a little bit better okay yeah
i haven't watched these ones in color yeah so
i mean you i don't think you need to i think
that it really truly does look best in black
and white but those are the times where i'm like
oh okay i can't see why that's a benefit so yeah
he he drains that guy's battery and he goes down
hard pretty pretty well done too i like the way
he works it out yeah and we got a proper like
spider -man you know out thinking a stronger
opponent he's just like exactly you know this
person needs to charge up to fight if i just
like egg them on and like have them waste energy
i can take him out in the end hits him with a
big metal sign love that um cat like cat and
uh the spider share share a glance uh during
the fight yeah and the mayor comes over right
afterwards and is like we did it together we're
a team yeah not a team not a team and robbie's
just there and like i'm gonna get front page
and ben's like no no god damn it robbie don't
do it robbie and then we get ben getting back
home and this is where we see a lot of the kind
of silent movie like acting of nick cage where
he's like i guess trying to stretch out after
like having a row and we get just the most like
awkward flailing body cracking scene i've ever
seen it's so good yeah it's so good trying to
work out i can't even like somewhere you just
have to see it it's just fucking funny it's like
every little bit of him doing it he's doing it
with his legs he's doing it with his whole body
it's just fucking funny it was a it was good
during the uh electro fight though is when we
get the return of the couple that he had to break
into their apartment and like the husband just
like i think he's too old i don't i don't think
he's got it anymore and the wife's like he still
got it and then as soon as the fight's over the
husband's like i told you he still got it yeah
just gives him that withering look yeah um it's
just classic 1930s just man superiority but like
cat like shows up back at uh ben's apartment
and like alluding to knowing something and ben's
like trying to play coy but poorly and i absolutely
love this scene where she pulls the uh it's it's
well done 1970s fucking uh gwen stacy lowis lane
where she's just like i'm gonna just throw myself
off a building and see what happens and uh he
he he webs her up yeah that was pretty cool i
did like that i do when she's getting like like
brought back up and her like arms are just hanging
her head's hung back it's like her legs are webbed
up and her tits are webbed up yeah yeah i knew
it wasn't gonna happen but i was uh part of me
was like is is this gonna be a gwen stacy is
he gonna webber and then just snap her back and
haul her corpse back up it's like no witnesses
terrible yeah but no i and you know that and
and it ends with them like awkward old man kiss
yeah when i talked in the last uh part where
i was talking about how just like we need to
stop like matching like an elderly nick cage
up with younger women this is the one situation
where i'm like it works because she's clearly
using him like yeah it should have been like
dream scenario where he then just farts and then
comes in his pants yeah there's webs everywhere
yeah oh my god his web shooters are all over
not just wrist so i mean that's the end of the
episode it's a good way to go out on it um i
think the only thing that we didn't touch on
is uh so there's a bumpy boy lonnie tombstone
he's he's talking to janet and robbie and he
reveals at some point he says oh we probably
need to talk to doc faber about that so there's
obviously like some other layer that they're
going to reveal in the next episode or so that
we have not watched and did you guys watch more
yet i've not watched more yet um so yeah i'm
looking forward to figuring out you know some
more of the mysteries there but i think it's
cool like this has done a good job of putting
multiple different layers on top of each other
that are all tied together of course but I think
the only mystery like hanging mystery right now,
like big thing that I think we're going to really
need to explore more is I think Ben was the one
who pointed out like they wouldn't have been
like all those guys wouldn't have been together
in a company because they would have been segregated.
And I think Janet mentioned something like when
he says they would have was a POW camp. Like
I think Janet makes some mention to like if it
was like the same that he was in or like that
he'd been in one as well. So clearly there was.
nazi experimentation or that's definitely what
was sort of implied so far yeah so they i don't
think they said anything about ben reilly being
in a pw camp that came from robbie uh when they
were playing cards robbie said that he was his
father was yeah his father that's right um but
yeah janet mentioned that uh cage was also like
he served and he was in germany but uh not yeah
okay not up here we've also seen the trailer
where we see like weird stuff so i might be complaining
there's some body horror shit that i think we're
getting into pretty soon yeah yeah i mean it's
right there in the intro yeah so with the theme
song yeah by kirby kirby that was another way
when i started watching uh the first episode
again or in true hue as soon as we got to the
opening credits and they were in black and white
that was just like this is how it's meant to
be watched yeah yeah i mean like it is it's meant
to be black and white but it's provided in color
for people who need that i don't see color though
like we also i'm woke um we also missed one of
my favorite scenes uh where um it's the it's
the scene where uh ben goes to break into silverman's
office but he knows he's being tailed uh so he
has the kid on an apple box wearing his hat and
his jacket just, like, stumbling around with,
like, his... You know that kid got drunk. Yeah.
With a tumbler of whiskey. Pretending to be Ben,
doing the old Home Alone, like, silhouette window.
He hasn't left his place all night. Okay. This
is one of the few times we have good kid. I know.
I agree. Yeah, he's a good kid. So at this point,
you guys feel gripped? Yeah. You're into it?
Yeah, I'm into it. I like this a lot. I do, too.
when we get to the end of this series i want
to have a conversation a longer conversation
about like it but i'm just i do worry at times
doing like something something like this that
i've ruined myself to like be able to actually
enjoy stuff like this because i'm just like i've
watched so much nick cage would i enjoy this
more if i if i haven't maybe yeah if it's weird
to think like would i like this if i wasn't in
like the full grips of a nicholas cage stockholm
syndrome like what is my life like it's a fair
question i think we should unpack that at the
end but yeah that was what i was getting to is
like i want to have we'll have to pay a therapist
to flex at us while we consider this exactly
i i can you know i can see if kirby wants to
come on yeah the only guest we actually have
to pay exactly normally our guests pay us Yeah,
I think that's good. I think we'll be back, you
know, to review the next two episodes and then
we'll finish it all off. And then back to our
regularly scheduled crap. Yeah, back to regular
schedule after that where we'll have Daryl on.
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