WEBVTT 00:00:01.970 --> 00:00:24.769 Oh God. I was, cause we were talking to someone 00:00:24.769 --> 00:00:27.350 else about like nails and I'm like, I can't. 00:00:27.350 --> 00:00:28.589 And I was just like, I can't have long nails. 00:00:28.649 --> 00:00:31.219 Cause I play the bass. And the person I had been 00:00:31.219 --> 00:00:32.579 talking to for two hours, like, yeah, I can't 00:00:32.579 --> 00:00:34.380 have long nails because of my sex life. I'm like, 00:00:34.420 --> 00:00:35.799 God damn it. Are we talking about hand jobs? 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:40.960 Yeah. Inside hand jobs. Inside hand jobs. I mean, 00:00:40.979 --> 00:00:43.460 it's all a hand job, right? It was an inside 00:00:43.460 --> 00:00:47.619 job, though. The hand came from within. It's 00:00:47.619 --> 00:00:52.759 coming from inside the house. Hey, hey, now, 00:00:52.820 --> 00:00:55.060 hey, now, hey, now. I want you to use your outside 00:00:55.060 --> 00:01:01.259 hand job. Inside handjobs would have been sort 00:01:01.259 --> 00:01:07.140 of like taboo back in 1930s. I mean, you know, 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:12.239 all gay things was taboo in the 1930s. That's 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:15.260 true. Nobody said an inside handjob was gay. 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.840 I mean, that's fingering. Or it's a handjob in 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:25.260 jail. Yeah. It's an in -the -joint handjob. Joint 00:01:25.260 --> 00:01:29.599 job. A good classic joint job. Of all the joint 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:35.879 jobs. I had to walk into this one. Yeah, we're 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:37.540 going to do the whole podcast like this scene? 00:01:37.700 --> 00:01:43.459 Yeah. Yeah. Immediately, my first complaint about 00:01:43.459 --> 00:01:48.640 the show is the is. There's this whole shtick 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:53.400 scene. Oh, man. Okay, yeah. Nick, how do you 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:55.980 feel about that? It does not bother me. Actually, 00:01:56.140 --> 00:01:59.239 in fact, the time when he was behind the door 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:02.840 or whatever, and you just hear him say, I lose 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:06.879 it every time. Welcome back. Before we get started, 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:11.639 welcome back to Cage. I'm Sean, here with my 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:16.819 co -host, Nick. And our producer. peter hello 00:02:16.819 --> 00:02:19.960 i feel like i came in at a weird cadence when 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:21.439 i started that and i just kind of had to keep 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:23.860 it going oh yeah just ride it yeah you were just 00:02:23.860 --> 00:02:26.340 like a hair slow and i was just ready i was just 00:02:26.340 --> 00:02:29.020 edging all the way up until i had to bust my 00:02:29.020 --> 00:02:31.659 name out felt like a weird inside hand job but 00:02:31.659 --> 00:02:36.080 you know um and we are discussing the first two 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:40.240 episodes of spider and the wall yeah nick cage's 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:43.860 first tv show which is kind of fucking amazing 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.639 first scripted tv show he did do the history 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:50.259 of swearing on netflix well okay but that's like 00:02:50.259 --> 00:02:53.659 a netflix kind of sure and it was a series but 00:02:53.659 --> 00:02:56.960 it wasn't so much which we should do at some 00:02:56.960 --> 00:02:58.560 point we should watch some of those episodes 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:02.319 but it wasn't like a scripted show he wasn't 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:07.560 acting yeah i'm sure there was a script i think 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:09.960 you just had to say fuck a lot yeah yeah that's 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:12.020 pretty good though pretty good i mean of all 00:03:12.020 --> 00:03:15.349 the things to say it's a pretty good career solid 00:03:15.349 --> 00:03:18.689 one yeah it's worked for samuel jackson and it 00:03:18.689 --> 00:03:23.169 worked for jonah hill that's true yeah uh all 00:03:23.169 --> 00:03:24.810 right i just want to i want to share speaking 00:03:24.810 --> 00:03:29.550 of sam jackson um there's a line in ted 2 where 00:03:29.550 --> 00:03:32.409 gross they meet the new love interest who's sam 00:03:32.409 --> 00:03:35.629 jackson samantha jackson samantha like louise 00:03:35.629 --> 00:03:38.090 jackson like oh shit you're sam l jackson and 00:03:38.090 --> 00:03:39.550 she's like who's that it's like you ever see 00:03:39.550 --> 00:03:44.240 a movie black guy i got to use a similar line 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:48.419 um yesterday because my co -workers like had 00:03:48.419 --> 00:03:50.400 to host stand up and she's like i don't have 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.520 anything interesting so i googled celebrity birthdays 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:54.740 i'm like any elfman's birthday and she's like 00:03:54.740 --> 00:03:56.020 i don't know who that is i'm like you ever see 00:03:56.020 --> 00:04:00.560 a movie he wrote the score yeah pretty much if 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:03.699 it was fun if it was a fun score yeah it was 00:04:03.699 --> 00:04:10.719 a little zany um every once in a while there'll 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:14.530 be like a really like umber like good music score 00:04:14.530 --> 00:04:16.930 i'm like it was really good who did that i'm 00:04:16.930 --> 00:04:19.730 like and it'll be daniel but i'm like ah weird 00:04:19.730 --> 00:04:22.730 yeah yeah what'd you think of the score of this 00:04:22.730 --> 00:04:29.509 tv show by kirby by kirby my therapist yeah that's 00:04:29.509 --> 00:04:34.189 the one did you know i mean that'd be cool if 00:04:34.189 --> 00:04:36.089 you just like him to not tell me he did another 00:04:36.089 --> 00:04:39.620 he was associated with more nick cage shit Yeah. 00:04:39.740 --> 00:04:41.500 Maybe they're not allowed to tell you. I don't 00:04:41.500 --> 00:04:44.500 know. It could be a conflict of interest. Yeah. 00:04:45.019 --> 00:04:47.600 He could actually introduce you to Nick Cage. 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:50.660 Kirby hasn't been my therapist for well over 00:04:50.660 --> 00:04:52.519 a year now. What is it, two years before you 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:55.079 can be friends with your therapist? I think you 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:56.699 just never can be friends with your therapist. 00:04:57.180 --> 00:04:59.800 Yes. They know too many of your dark secrets. 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.959 Yeah. Yeah, well, they can't just like be dominating 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.980 all your time by flexing on you all the time. 00:05:06.339 --> 00:05:10.060 Too many inside hand jobs. Yeah. How how bad 00:05:10.060 --> 00:05:12.079 would that feel if you were just paying your 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:14.980 therapist and they bragged like for an hour every 00:05:14.980 --> 00:05:17.319 week, just bragging at you? And it's like, all 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:20.160 right, same time next week. I'll keep taking 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.800 your money. I'm about to go do something fun. 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:27.600 Have fun, loser with your sad ass life. I should 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.040 be a therapist. All right, let's talk Spider 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:33.759 Noir. I'm feeling it now. Yeah, you ready? It's 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:35.819 got me. It's got me. captured now i just took 00:05:35.819 --> 00:05:39.019 a big nap um or in in lead up to this because 00:05:39.019 --> 00:05:41.699 i was feeling fucking exhausted dude same how 00:05:41.699 --> 00:05:43.439 long was your nap let's talk about that how great 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:48.060 is a nap a nap story oh yeah as as people in 00:05:48.060 --> 00:05:52.360 our now almost 42s or whatever you old piece 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.579 of shit yeah it feels great to take a nap it 00:05:55.579 --> 00:05:58.360 was weird taking a night nap though oh yeah i'm 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:01.600 really glad that might be it's you're running 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.800 a dangerous game into turning it into just sleep 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:08.180 yeah which i could have yeah if i didn't have 00:06:08.180 --> 00:06:10.439 this going on i probably would have rolled right 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:12.300 into sleep totally would have been fine with 00:06:12.300 --> 00:06:15.740 it which is a sad saturday no it's a great saturday 00:06:15.740 --> 00:06:18.639 afternoon i uh i got my haircut today and uh 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.139 the girl who does my hair she's talking about 00:06:21.139 --> 00:06:23.500 her kid being on like summer break soon and how 00:06:23.500 --> 00:06:26.689 he's six and doesn't nap and i'm like fucking 00:06:26.689 --> 00:06:29.230 kids are dumb fucking naps are amazing that's 00:06:29.230 --> 00:06:32.290 all i want to do as an adult yeah well it feels 00:06:32.290 --> 00:06:34.089 like a punishment when you're a kid because then 00:06:34.089 --> 00:06:37.110 you've just got all that energy and yeah you're 00:06:37.110 --> 00:06:40.449 uh being forced you're forced to do it that's 00:06:40.449 --> 00:06:42.769 the shitty part is like you have to do it yeah 00:06:42.769 --> 00:06:45.430 choosing a nap now that's the fucking sweet spot 00:06:45.430 --> 00:06:47.769 also the best part about being an adult and napping 00:06:47.769 --> 00:06:50.569 is it's just like it's 20 minutes closer to death 00:06:50.569 --> 00:06:54.889 that i don't have to exist God, I long for the 00:06:54.889 --> 00:07:01.790 long nap. The sweet, sweet little deaths. Wait, 00:07:01.870 --> 00:07:05.110 that's orgasms, right? Spider Noir is... Spider 00:07:05.110 --> 00:07:09.870 Noir is... I wouldn't know. Gotta get one of 00:07:09.870 --> 00:07:13.170 those inside hand jobs. Oh, we brought it back. 00:07:13.470 --> 00:07:16.250 Oh, my God. Spider Noir is a lot of fun, much 00:07:16.250 --> 00:07:19.470 like this conversation. It doesn't make a lot 00:07:19.470 --> 00:07:21.810 of sense, and there's weird accent work, but 00:07:21.810 --> 00:07:24.899 I'm enjoying it. I kind of liked his accent. 00:07:25.060 --> 00:07:26.759 I don't, it doesn't bother me that much. The 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:32.379 sort of like marble mouth sort of style. I don't, 00:07:32.379 --> 00:07:34.240 I don't mind the accent work at all. I really 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.360 enjoy what he's doing. I really enjoyed the whole 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:41.560 like shtick. My only minor issue is just like 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:46.699 him and Gleason are in the same show. No one 00:07:46.699 --> 00:07:49.910 else is in the same show as these two. I don't 00:07:49.910 --> 00:07:52.490 know. I mean, Janet's like a fast talking smart 00:07:52.490 --> 00:07:55.290 lady. Yeah. You know, she's got the vibe. I think 00:07:55.290 --> 00:07:58.430 Janet exists in the same world. I think Robinson 00:07:58.430 --> 00:08:02.410 or Robbie. Robbie. Cat Hardy. I don't know. She's 00:08:02.410 --> 00:08:05.449 she's just sort of doing like sexy lady. Yeah. 00:08:05.470 --> 00:08:09.230 She's very much like a socialite. Noir. Angel. 00:08:09.449 --> 00:08:12.430 Angel. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Character. So 00:08:12.430 --> 00:08:16.129 everyone everyone is doing a very good job. It's 00:08:16.129 --> 00:08:18.910 specifically. and it comes across nick cage's 00:08:18.910 --> 00:08:22.209 love for classic films for silent film work he's 00:08:22.209 --> 00:08:25.790 doing a lot of like silent film style like body 00:08:25.790 --> 00:08:29.290 work um there's one when we talk about episodes 00:08:29.290 --> 00:08:31.050 three and four there's one so we'll talk about 00:08:31.050 --> 00:08:33.169 that for sure i want to mention so he's doing 00:08:33.169 --> 00:08:35.350 but he's doing there's a lot of like that pre 00:08:35.350 --> 00:08:39.629 -talky energy that nick cage is bringing it goes 00:08:39.629 --> 00:08:43.190 back to my thing about how when we did um planet 00:08:43.190 --> 00:08:47.580 terror it's like it's hard to watch good actors 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:51.740 try and act poorly so there's aspects of this 00:08:51.740 --> 00:08:53.360 where it's like it's hard to watch really good 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:58.559 actors try and act in a way that was like being 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:02.039 invented when talkies first came out and they're 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:03.820 not used to acting this way and it's just like 00:09:03.820 --> 00:09:06.500 sometimes it feels forced in a way that i'm like 00:09:06.500 --> 00:09:11.179 i'd wish you just play the scene straight yeah 00:09:11.179 --> 00:09:15.149 i can see that um yeah yeah either way but i'm 00:09:15.149 --> 00:09:16.909 enjoying it it's just like there there are definitely 00:09:16.909 --> 00:09:18.690 parts where i'm like let's just move on from 00:09:18.690 --> 00:09:24.929 like not everybody needs to be at that same level 00:09:24.929 --> 00:09:28.330 as cage right i need everyone to be 20 less hammy 00:09:28.330 --> 00:09:31.129 or 20 more hammy i need like i either need the 00:09:31.129 --> 00:09:34.149 full honey baked or like just let nick cage do 00:09:34.149 --> 00:09:37.899 his thing yeah Yeah, I think it's a stupid sketch 00:09:37.899 --> 00:09:43.220 about smiling and the whitest kids. Yeah. I want 00:09:43.220 --> 00:09:50.039 you to happier with your mouth open. well chief 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:53.000 it could use i see what you mean it could be 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:55.580 uh like tuned up to that level a little bit no 00:09:55.580 --> 00:09:58.080 i think it's it's actually a really fun show 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.539 and i think it's done really well i'm impressed 00:10:00.539 --> 00:10:04.379 with it so far i'm enjoying it so far um heads 00:10:04.379 --> 00:10:05.980 up we're gonna spoil it we're gonna talk about 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:08.860 the the first two episodes here um pretty candidly 00:10:08.860 --> 00:10:11.039 so we're not dancing around it if you haven't 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:12.600 watched it yet and don't want to hear what the 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:14.659 plot line is stop listening and then come back 00:10:14.659 --> 00:10:18.549 later My expectations of this when I first heard 00:10:18.549 --> 00:10:21.929 about the show were extraordinarily low and I 00:10:21.929 --> 00:10:25.610 kept them as low as possible because I did not 00:10:25.610 --> 00:10:27.870 want to get excited about it. Yeah, well, Sony 00:10:27.870 --> 00:10:31.309 did a really good job of making everybody, I 00:10:31.309 --> 00:10:35.429 hope, very unexcited about the prospect of any 00:10:35.429 --> 00:10:40.889 non MCU Spider -Man like affiliated video. Oh, 00:10:40.909 --> 00:10:43.990 my God. Is this just been like a prolonged like. 00:10:44.769 --> 00:10:48.929 edging which is like or it's morbid time madam 00:10:48.929 --> 00:10:52.169 webb um oh my god brave and the hunter we're 00:10:52.169 --> 00:10:54.750 just gonna keep you super soft so you can bust 00:10:54.750 --> 00:10:58.070 all over as white and noir yeah we're just gonna 00:10:58.070 --> 00:11:00.009 give you a little bit of venom every once in 00:11:00.009 --> 00:11:02.929 a while to sort of like keep you maybe get you 00:11:02.929 --> 00:11:04.850 going it could it could still happen we could 00:11:04.850 --> 00:11:11.389 still enjoy this yeah um but yes this movie or 00:11:11.389 --> 00:11:16.129 this uh show is uh it's really captured my attention 00:11:16.129 --> 00:11:18.830 like i really enjoy watching every episode yeah 00:11:18.830 --> 00:11:22.009 uh the length of the episodes i really enjoy 00:11:22.009 --> 00:11:24.529 i think the 45 minute ish mark is really good 00:11:24.529 --> 00:11:27.570 spot for it sweet spot i was really i was honestly 00:11:27.570 --> 00:11:30.350 expecting quick 22 minute episodes i'm so that's 00:11:30.350 --> 00:11:32.629 what i was thinking too happy that they're like 00:11:32.629 --> 00:11:36.710 actually full like 45 42 to 45 minute episodes 00:11:36.710 --> 00:11:41.429 um i went into this with the expectation of we 00:11:41.429 --> 00:11:44.909 were going to get throughout the entire show 00:11:44.909 --> 00:11:49.970 12 minutes of spider -man um my watching the 00:11:49.970 --> 00:11:52.049 first trailer of him swinging through new york 00:11:52.049 --> 00:11:54.330 i thought was gonna be like that's gonna be like 00:11:54.330 --> 00:11:56.610 that was their entire effects budget in that 00:11:56.610 --> 00:12:01.110 trailer that's gonna be the end of the show and 00:12:01.110 --> 00:12:04.929 that's what it starts with uh his voiceover and 00:12:04.929 --> 00:12:10.309 backstory and that like the ropey the cgi work 00:12:10.309 --> 00:12:14.779 is not great but it's it's tv i'm not mad at 00:12:14.779 --> 00:12:17.879 it but i really expected that to be the closer 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:21.179 of the show but no he's swinging from he's swinging 00:12:21.179 --> 00:12:23.659 from the word go he's spider -man the entire 00:12:23.659 --> 00:12:27.720 time so i appreciate that that's what we're doing 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:31.580 yeah the swinging is kind of whatever that's 00:12:31.580 --> 00:12:34.960 about the weakest part i think of the visuals 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:37.240 of this definitely yeah i think sean you put 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:39.940 it as like kind of a rubbery cgi spider -man 00:12:39.940 --> 00:12:41.799 you know and that's that is how it looks and 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:44.539 feels but you know there's a lot of good practical 00:12:44.539 --> 00:12:48.340 effects in general and then oh god his webbing 00:12:48.340 --> 00:12:52.100 is like kind of repulsive yeah yeah organic webbing 00:12:52.100 --> 00:12:54.480 should be gross it should be gross and it is 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.340 gross especially in the black and white it looks 00:12:58.340 --> 00:13:02.559 like gnarly i like how just uh in the in the 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:04.799 black and white for sure they do such a good 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:08.039 job of making it like distinct and like visible 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:11.080 like the times where it looks darker or like 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:14.340 when it's like really light uh it stands out 00:13:14.340 --> 00:13:17.039 all the time yeah we're all watching in black 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:20.320 and white right correct i did watch the first 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:23.360 two in color afterwards but so i started the 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.860 first one in true hue after watching it in black 00:13:25.860 --> 00:13:30.820 and white and i watched the opening scene the 00:13:30.820 --> 00:13:33.500 cg looks infinitely worse in color like the black 00:13:33.500 --> 00:13:37.139 and white hides so much yeah artifacting and 00:13:37.139 --> 00:13:40.500 like makes it look a lot better um but as soon 00:13:40.500 --> 00:13:42.440 as we got and then we got the first scene with 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:47.600 him in the um in the bar and my first immediate 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:52.059 notice is like they they lit this to ultimately 00:13:52.059 --> 00:13:53.799 be shown in black and white they did no color 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:57.889 correction for the true hue so it just it looks 00:13:57.889 --> 00:14:00.769 really muddy and just it looks really off um 00:14:00.769 --> 00:14:04.909 i did not enjoy it yeah well it's it's costumed 00:14:04.909 --> 00:14:09.230 and all the scenery and stuff is designed to 00:14:09.230 --> 00:14:13.330 kind of reflect a uh like a colorized film so 00:14:13.330 --> 00:14:15.429 it's like if a black and white film got restored 00:14:15.429 --> 00:14:19.289 and colorized um so they wouldn't have designed 00:14:19.289 --> 00:14:22.090 it for color so you would have had deeper shadows 00:14:22.090 --> 00:14:24.029 and all that kind of stuff so that makes some 00:14:24.029 --> 00:14:27.299 sense and then also just like the uh the the 00:14:27.299 --> 00:14:30.559 saturation of colors and stuff to make things 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:34.299 distinct in black and white is also uh very much 00:14:34.299 --> 00:14:37.559 present um i do like the a lot of the costuming 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:42.539 in color um there are some things that like in 00:14:42.539 --> 00:14:45.279 black and white i think are just still ultimately 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.539 better costuming wise like uh cat's dress in 00:14:48.539 --> 00:14:53.360 the night uh nightclub clearly that is the intended 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:58.960 like version um and i was talking with a friend 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:03.440 of mine yesterday about it and he was just like 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.600 well why why even release it both ways and we 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.539 both came to the conclusion that there is a subset 00:15:08.539 --> 00:15:10.559 of people who just will not watch something in 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:13.059 black and white they just refuse to because they 00:15:13.059 --> 00:15:16.299 think it's they think it looks cheap or it's 00:15:16.299 --> 00:15:19.399 like i i once dated someone who'd never seen 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:20.940 clerks because she's like that's a black and 00:15:20.940 --> 00:15:24.860 white movie and i'm like Yeah, my ex -wife really 00:15:24.860 --> 00:15:26.840 struggled with black and white stuff. She really, 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:28.720 really had a hard time with it. For whatever 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:30.940 reason, it just like made her brain kind of turn 00:15:30.940 --> 00:15:32.980 off. She was like, I don't know. This is just 00:15:32.980 --> 00:15:36.220 like not fun for me to watch. Yeah. So I find 00:15:36.220 --> 00:15:38.860 it really delightful. And I really love, especially 00:15:38.860 --> 00:15:41.440 that they played into it. It's like whoever the, 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.120 you know, the directors, the DPs, like they're 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:47.480 playing with these deep shadows, long cast lights. 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:50.100 It's really, really pretty and it's well done. 00:15:50.139 --> 00:15:53.559 And it makes you think about like. old tv old 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:55.720 movies like they they caught the vibe really 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:58.639 nicely yeah and they did a really good job with 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:02.139 the uh capturing that noir uh appearance definitely 00:16:02.139 --> 00:16:05.620 my friend uh kaylee like text me if i was asking 00:16:05.620 --> 00:16:08.120 to watch if i was watching the show she said 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.620 no bitch i hate nick cage so i was and i asked 00:16:11.620 --> 00:16:13.000 her i'm like are you watching black and white 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.360 or color she said color and my response was incorrect 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:22.289 start over Her response was, ha ha, fuck that. 00:16:22.370 --> 00:16:26.909 It's not actually 1930s LMAO. And I'm like, incorrect. 00:16:27.789 --> 00:16:30.610 I will say the one thing that stood out to me 00:16:30.610 --> 00:16:33.809 better in color in these first two episodes is 00:16:33.809 --> 00:16:36.990 Flint Marco's character of Sandman. I think that 00:16:36.990 --> 00:16:41.269 the animation of like his skin and everything 00:16:41.269 --> 00:16:44.429 works better in color than it did in black and 00:16:44.429 --> 00:16:46.929 white. I think it didn't read as much in that 00:16:46.929 --> 00:16:51.029 scene when I was watching it. the true way does 00:16:51.029 --> 00:16:56.129 look like he just has like eczema in black yeah 00:16:56.129 --> 00:16:59.149 yeah exactly like that guy just needs to exfoliate 00:16:59.149 --> 00:17:02.269 a little bit maybe all right yeah up until the 00:17:02.269 --> 00:17:05.910 point where he goes all sandy hand and like uh 00:17:05.910 --> 00:17:12.940 sandy i do not want a sandy handy I don't know. 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:15.380 Restore that youthful feeling. Bust all those 00:17:15.380 --> 00:17:18.440 calluses and shit off. You're right. Oh, my calloused 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:23.200 dick. Just fully. It releases the skin's freshest 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:27.259 layer. Uh huh. Uh huh. Yeah. The dick and noticeably. 00:17:27.789 --> 00:17:31.769 a notably calloused tool what is this episode 00:17:31.769 --> 00:17:35.829 let's talk about the plot line of this show we're 00:17:35.829 --> 00:17:39.869 all well underslept clearly yeah all right so 00:17:39.869 --> 00:17:42.609 we'll give the quick rundown so nick cage is 00:17:42.609 --> 00:17:48.369 ben reilly he's a spider -man um and the spider 00:17:48.779 --> 00:17:51.519 He's the spider. He's the legally distinct the 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:54.059 spider. The spider. So he's been a hero for a 00:17:54.059 --> 00:18:00.640 while. His hopeful fiance dies and he hangs it 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.059 up for a bit to become a private eye. Maybe he 00:18:03.059 --> 00:18:04.640 was a private eye before. I don't know. Doesn't 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:07.539 matter. He could have been both. No, he was a 00:18:07.539 --> 00:18:11.700 photographer. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Robbie 00:18:11.700 --> 00:18:13.869 was a photographer. robbie was a photographer 00:18:13.869 --> 00:18:15.769 but they also talk about how ben was a good photographer 00:18:15.769 --> 00:18:18.109 too yeah because ben always always good shots 00:18:18.109 --> 00:18:21.069 the spider right now kind of that classic peter 00:18:21.069 --> 00:18:22.930 parker situation like oh how'd you always get 00:18:22.930 --> 00:18:25.069 those great shots we're kind of buddies yeah 00:18:25.069 --> 00:18:30.970 yeah um he has a secretary named janet janet 00:18:30.970 --> 00:18:33.430 yeah who's played by karen rodriguez and she's 00:18:33.430 --> 00:18:35.130 fucking awesome she's my favorite she's incredible 00:18:35.130 --> 00:18:38.750 yeah she nails that role so fucking well yeah 00:18:38.750 --> 00:18:44.779 his buddy um robbie robertson played by um lamar 00:18:44.779 --> 00:18:47.859 morris fucking awesome i love that guy too fucking 00:18:47.859 --> 00:18:52.519 winnie the bush he's great he's so fun he was 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:54.559 good in black and white too like his style is 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:57.599 so fucking nice his suits look really nice in 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:00.400 color though i believed it so yeah it was like 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.160 oh man he's he's sharp i love him in everything 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.359 and i think it's episode three there's one episode 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:09.940 where he just like he gets to do just a little 00:19:09.940 --> 00:19:12.640 bit of slapstick and i'm like i think that's 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:17.680 three yeah yeah guess who i am yeah i did like 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:21.000 his ketchup sandwich though yes so depressing 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:25.099 or depression meals depression meals i do my 00:19:25.099 --> 00:19:26.700 favorite i will say my favorite line from the 00:19:26.700 --> 00:19:31.180 first episode is when robbie and uh ben are having 00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:35.039 lunch and robbie like takes to pickle up ben's 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:37.430 plate and just goes That's a used pickle, Robbie. 00:19:38.609 --> 00:19:41.970 He eats it and he's just like... Yeah. Well, 00:19:41.990 --> 00:19:43.769 fuck it, you're poor. Like, fuck it, that's the 00:19:43.769 --> 00:19:46.650 depression. It is, right? Gotta eat. Then we've 00:19:46.650 --> 00:19:49.349 got Lee Jun Lee is Cat Hardy, who's this lounge 00:19:49.349 --> 00:19:54.210 singer. And then the sort of big bad in it, Silvermane, 00:19:54.269 --> 00:19:58.410 is played by Brendan Gleeson, who... to sean's 00:19:58.410 --> 00:20:00.390 point earlier really does feast in this role 00:20:00.390 --> 00:20:03.549 i mean they let him loose and he's he's scary 00:20:03.549 --> 00:20:06.670 like he's he does a good job so my immediate 00:20:06.670 --> 00:20:09.650 read on this show is just like just because we're 00:20:09.650 --> 00:20:11.430 talking about the cast my immediate read on this 00:20:11.430 --> 00:20:14.509 entire cast is how many of these people just 00:20:14.509 --> 00:20:16.289 signed on to do something with nicholas cage 00:20:16.289 --> 00:20:19.809 i mean it could be that it could be that like 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:22.779 the concept of doing a Spider -Man TV show was 00:20:22.779 --> 00:20:25.859 interesting. I mean, doing this 1930s sort of 00:20:25.859 --> 00:20:28.420 weird twist on it is cool. I mean, it's very 00:20:28.420 --> 00:20:32.980 stylized. It's very different. Yeah. You know, 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:36.059 it's a, what is it? Lord and Miller. Yeah. Lord 00:20:36.059 --> 00:20:38.579 and Miller. Who executive produced this entire 00:20:38.579 --> 00:20:41.079 thing. And like, obviously Spider -Verse is very 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:43.519 stylized and very appealing to people to be a 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:48.220 part of. So you'd hope that they would be. successful 00:20:48.220 --> 00:20:50.380 with something like this too yeah there's a there's 00:20:50.380 --> 00:20:53.519 a lot of draw uh nicholas cage lord and miller 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.539 just based on the first two episodes and i have 00:20:57.539 --> 00:20:59.299 not finished the show yet but based on the first 00:20:59.299 --> 00:21:01.740 two episodes uh and if you do know the answer 00:21:01.740 --> 00:21:03.599 to this don't answer it but if you haven't finished 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:07.279 it and i'm talking to you too and like want to 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:09.819 chime in just in terms of speculation because 00:21:09.819 --> 00:21:12.470 he does reference in the like the first line 00:21:12.470 --> 00:21:14.769 of the show is like you know someone once told 00:21:14.769 --> 00:21:16.150 me there are other dimensions but this is the 00:21:16.150 --> 00:21:19.910 only dimension i've ever known um is it supposed 00:21:19.910 --> 00:21:23.829 to be the same spider -man do you think like 00:21:23.829 --> 00:21:29.730 is ben reilly like uh nom de pleur oh yeah i've 00:21:29.730 --> 00:21:32.710 i've seen the speculation that ben reilly is 00:21:32.710 --> 00:21:36.049 a name that he puts on uh for the show but his 00:21:36.049 --> 00:21:39.640 real name is peter parker uh i I don't think 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:45.279 that we're looking at the Spider -Man noir character. 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.420 It'd be amazing if he just busted out a Rubik's 00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:50.319 Cube at some point. I was going to say, I've 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:53.400 been looking in the background for it. That would 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:56.880 be pretty funny. For some reason in color. No 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:00.279 matter what version you choose. Goddamn. But 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.599 it's inscrutable. I'm going to figure this out. 00:22:04.019 --> 00:22:10.230 Who wants to do episode one? to kind of run down 00:22:10.230 --> 00:22:14.430 oh man uh i'm gonna have a hard time trying to 00:22:14.430 --> 00:22:19.829 keep my episodes it's tough right um so episode 00:22:19.829 --> 00:22:22.789 one we get the introduction to spider -man we 00:22:22.789 --> 00:22:25.069 find out that he's been retired for five years 00:22:25.069 --> 00:22:30.210 after his fiancee died in what seems to be some 00:22:30.210 --> 00:22:33.410 type of drowning incident yeah she seems to be 00:22:33.410 --> 00:22:35.990 handcuffed to the steering wheel of that car 00:22:35.990 --> 00:22:38.680 as it's going down which definitely kind of feels 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:43.119 like a silvermane or some crime boss yeah some 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:45.700 revenge came after the spider found out about 00:22:45.700 --> 00:22:50.880 her and but so ben has just become a private 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:55.539 eye but one that has a bit of a like is overly 00:22:55.539 --> 00:22:58.140 cautious and a bit of a conscience like he he 00:22:58.140 --> 00:23:00.880 turns away work or he'll take work but then won't 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:03.269 charge people or give them their money back To 00:23:03.269 --> 00:23:05.089 the chagrin of a secretary who hasn't been paid 00:23:05.089 --> 00:23:07.609 in months. Oh, my God. When he hands the money 00:23:07.609 --> 00:23:11.410 back to Carmody and it just has that brief shot 00:23:11.410 --> 00:23:15.630 of her and her eyes just get really big. Oh, 00:23:15.789 --> 00:23:17.710 gosh, she's so good. She's the best. She's my 00:23:17.710 --> 00:23:21.529 favorite character. Yeah. OK, so he gets hired 00:23:21.529 --> 00:23:27.750 to investigate Cat Hardy, who this really ugly 00:23:27.750 --> 00:23:32.859 man with no charm, no charm, no wit. Yeah. claims 00:23:32.859 --> 00:23:36.019 is his wife but clearly is being you know some 00:23:36.019 --> 00:23:40.519 part of a setup yeah so he climbs up to the penthouse 00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:43.019 of this gigantic fucking building without using 00:23:43.019 --> 00:23:46.740 his spider powers the the sad look on his face 00:23:46.740 --> 00:23:49.220 when he just kind of is like all the way up a 00:23:49.220 --> 00:23:52.960 penthouse uh penthouse a climbs up the fire escape 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.319 he's climbing up the fire escape goes by a window 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:57.559 where a guy is looking stamps and sticking them 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:01.960 to his like shirtless torso and he's a big hairy 00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:04.500 guy and then just camera comes in off the side 00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:08.279 and click yeah that's i think uh probably one 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:12.039 of our first looney tunes ish kind of uh yeah 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:17.440 illusions in this show yeah so he catches the 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:20.880 mayor he doesn't realize it at the time like 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:24.400 soliciting cat hardy yeah oh yeah he wants to 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:28.740 get handy he wants the inside hand job uh and 00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:32.039 you know she slaps him and then cage sprays him 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:35.380 with spider goop yeah webs him before he can 00:24:35.380 --> 00:24:39.099 slap her back and and this disappears yeah so 00:24:39.099 --> 00:24:43.839 then goes to the nightclub to keep tracking her 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:46.740 down yeah they switch the plan he's gonna now 00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:50.059 blackmail her yeah because so he gets when he 00:24:50.059 --> 00:24:52.640 realizes that it's the mayor he's like because 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.400 he gives ugly guy gives the money back he's like 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.759 i can't do this job for you she's a loyal loving 00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:01.660 wife your your wife is your wife loves you mr 00:25:01.660 --> 00:25:05.599 carmody aren't you so thrilled yeah uh there's 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.759 no chance it's with that syphilitic walrus he's 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.640 gonna blackmail uh he's gonna blackmail kat hardy 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:14.339 with pictures of her with the mayor um we get 00:25:14.339 --> 00:25:18.000 that amazing like lounge singer scene yeah um 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:23.269 which kind of like it's a very modern musical 00:25:23.269 --> 00:25:26.730 beat and musical number and i fucking loved it 00:25:26.730 --> 00:25:28.710 like i was just like the camera work was great 00:25:28.710 --> 00:25:30.789 it's really good i want the show i wanted the 00:25:30.789 --> 00:25:32.869 show to lean more into that going forward uh 00:25:32.869 --> 00:25:37.230 and episode two it kind of doesn't um i do love 00:25:37.230 --> 00:25:39.650 her outfits and i love whenever she's on screen 00:25:39.650 --> 00:25:43.490 um there's one i think it's episode two um might 00:25:43.490 --> 00:25:45.450 be episode three but there's one uh there's one 00:25:45.450 --> 00:25:48.789 where she's like on stage and she just has like 00:25:48.789 --> 00:25:51.049 this fractal mirror, like background behind her. 00:25:51.369 --> 00:25:57.289 And I'm just so enamored with a time where you 00:25:57.289 --> 00:25:59.369 experienced music live. Cause that's the old, 00:25:59.430 --> 00:26:01.289 that would be the only way to experience it. 00:26:01.369 --> 00:26:05.390 You would just go see a singer on a nightly basis. 00:26:05.509 --> 00:26:08.410 Cause that's what entertainment was. And now 00:26:08.410 --> 00:26:11.309 the kids have their hippity hop and their EDM 00:26:11.309 --> 00:26:17.580 and it's just loud. And I hate it. I'm old. yeah 00:26:17.580 --> 00:26:20.740 uh okay so then she she has her sort of like 00:26:20.740 --> 00:26:25.539 enforcer protector lover flint marco who's there 00:26:25.539 --> 00:26:29.180 and he kind of strong arms ben out of the the 00:26:29.180 --> 00:26:33.019 nightclub we get that great shot of him uh following 00:26:33.019 --> 00:26:37.000 yeah ben later oh my god the alley shots were 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.180 just these long cast shadows and yeah and flint's 00:26:40.180 --> 00:26:42.970 in that white suit so he just stark contrast 00:26:42.970 --> 00:26:46.390 it's like spy versus spy almost ben is just utilizing 00:26:46.390 --> 00:26:49.170 like street urchins and street youths to like 00:26:49.170 --> 00:26:52.930 be his like his um his eyes and ears around the 00:26:52.930 --> 00:26:55.210 streets that little kid's great i love that kid 00:26:55.210 --> 00:26:58.309 oh fucking uh the first scene uh where we introduced 00:26:58.309 --> 00:27:00.950 the kid where he's like selling newspapers and 00:27:00.950 --> 00:27:04.309 ben walks up to him hands the kid a coin and 00:27:04.309 --> 00:27:06.750 then the kid goes into the paybook the payphone 00:27:06.750 --> 00:27:10.650 drops his own coin in the payphone and like fishes 00:27:10.650 --> 00:27:13.559 it out with the hell yeah yeah he's got like 00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:16.720 a quarter on a string and it just costs a nickel 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.380 for that yeah and i'm like fucking amazing that 00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:21.779 kid's like that kid's going places absolutely 00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:27.920 he's a little pickpocket uh again spy yeah yeah 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.420 an actor as we see in like episode three or four 00:27:30.420 --> 00:27:33.299 when ben is like yeah so when ben's leaving the 00:27:33.299 --> 00:27:36.619 club um he goes to like put some money in the 00:27:36.619 --> 00:27:39.599 kids uh kids cup and he's like is there a guy 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:41.980 following me white suit And yeah, the kid's like, 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:46.319 yeah. Yeah, do I have a white tail? Yeah, it's 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:51.140 good. So then Flint confronts him up on the top 00:27:51.140 --> 00:27:54.539 of a construction tower or something, which weird 00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:56.380 choice. But I mean, if you're the spider, if 00:27:56.380 --> 00:27:58.559 you're Spider -Man, yeah, it's the perfect choice. 00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:04.819 Yeah. So Flint, very strong, starts punching 00:28:04.819 --> 00:28:08.740 the shit out of Ben. And then Ben clocks him 00:28:08.740 --> 00:28:11.200 with a piece of wood. Yeah. knocks him down okay 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.259 what not just clock some of the piece of wood 00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:15.160 this was amazing like going back to the looney 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.980 tunes of it all like ben is getting like beat 00:28:17.980 --> 00:28:20.680 up um gets thrown off the building webs his way 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.299 back on so we actually see him like old spider 00:28:23.299 --> 00:28:27.740 out um but is like on his back goes to grab a 00:28:27.740 --> 00:28:31.160 crowbar marco steps on the hand with the crowbar 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:33.839 and then ben gives him a sly wink and then cracks 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.589 him with a piece of wood in his other hand Yeah, 00:28:36.650 --> 00:28:39.250 it's a quit watching the mouth. Watch the hands. 00:28:39.450 --> 00:28:45.180 Yeah. I love how bad he is at landing. anytime 00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:47.740 he webs somewhere he's pretty bad he just kind 00:28:47.740 --> 00:28:51.140 of flops into it's like he like an old man he's 00:28:51.140 --> 00:28:54.579 like oh my back i mean he's six he's in his six 00:28:54.579 --> 00:28:57.460 like nick cage is in his 60s nick's yeah nick 00:28:57.460 --> 00:29:00.059 cage is 62 so like it does make sense and if 00:29:00.059 --> 00:29:02.019 they're playing him as like you know he's in 00:29:02.019 --> 00:29:04.559 his 50s or something like that and he's been 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:08.099 retired for five years right stop we need to 00:29:08.099 --> 00:29:10.660 stop like putting we need we need to stop putting 00:29:10.660 --> 00:29:14.500 uh 30 something year old 20 and 30 something 00:29:14.500 --> 00:29:16.319 year old woman with nick cage as a potential 00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:20.779 love interest yeah i mean it's hard to tell like 00:29:20.779 --> 00:29:23.759 white people age so poorly so cat hardy could 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:27.880 be in her 40s and looks you know significantly 00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.519 better but when we talk about when we talk about 00:29:30.809 --> 00:29:32.970 three and four i do want to touch on that um 00:29:32.970 --> 00:29:34.190 but i'm just thinking like whenever we have a 00:29:34.190 --> 00:29:37.250 flashback with him and and uh with his fiance 00:29:37.250 --> 00:29:40.049 with ruby and it's just like they're dancing 00:29:40.049 --> 00:29:43.410 i'm like she's holding up that old man yeah it 00:29:43.410 --> 00:29:45.190 does look like you're dancing with your dad you 00:29:45.190 --> 00:29:49.049 know yeah they were different times sean yeah 00:29:49.049 --> 00:29:53.450 simpler times simpler times also it was the 1920s 00:29:53.450 --> 00:29:58.099 that man is that man is a hard 40. it's a good 00:29:58.099 --> 00:29:59.940 point yeah i mean like you think about inside 00:29:59.940 --> 00:30:04.420 smoking rampant drinking plus being the spider 00:30:04.420 --> 00:30:07.819 yeah yeah also they do not shy away from smoking 00:30:07.819 --> 00:30:09.940 in the show everybody fucking smokes everybody 00:30:09.940 --> 00:30:13.220 smokes yeah a lot of smoking even like the kids 00:30:13.220 --> 00:30:16.900 smoke so much oh yeah yeah so we missed we missed 00:30:16.900 --> 00:30:19.420 one sort of like main beat that ties it all to 00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:22.759 silvermane so Silvermane, this like mobster of 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:25.079 New York, right? He's an enemy of the mayor. 00:30:25.220 --> 00:30:28.000 He's just like the guy who's kind of run rampant 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:32.079 since the spider has retired. He his mansion 00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.779 got burned down by somebody with weird powers, 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:40.180 it seems. And Ben early in this is paid to track 00:30:40.180 --> 00:30:43.500 this guy down. He sees him light himself on fire. 00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:46.539 Another detective shoots the guy to death. Things 00:30:46.539 --> 00:30:49.680 are hinky about the entire thing. But now Silvermane's 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.480 all like wise to the fact that there are supers. 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.960 I think he wants to, you know, manipulate that 00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:56.880 as much as possible. He wants one of his own. 00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:59.980 Yeah, he wants one of his own. And the other 00:30:59.980 --> 00:31:01.519 detective gets killed by Silvermane because he 00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:03.420 doesn't have enough info. And Silvermane wants 00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:06.779 Ben Reilly as his next target to get more information 00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:08.660 on who's putting the hit out on him. Because 00:31:08.660 --> 00:31:11.420 that's kind of the big subtext of the first two, 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.940 three episodes is why is someone trying to kill 00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:17.599 Silvermane and who is it? Yeah. Who's the double 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.140 cross? Who's the snitch? Who's everything? So 00:31:20.140 --> 00:31:24.039 episode one ends with Cat Hardy hiring Ben to 00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:28.079 find Flint Marco because he has vanished. Yeah. 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:32.380 Flint's on the lam. Yeah. And we go rapidly into 00:31:32.380 --> 00:31:35.440 episode two. Yeah. What happens in episode two? 00:31:35.740 --> 00:31:40.740 It kind of begins the reveal that Flint and Addison, 00:31:40.900 --> 00:31:48.049 the flame guy, now dead, were. part of a world 00:31:48.049 --> 00:31:54.049 war one yes world war one troop yeah that were 00:31:54.049 --> 00:31:58.569 pows at some point in the war and something is 00:31:58.569 --> 00:32:01.029 weird about that yeah but we don't know why yet 00:32:01.029 --> 00:32:07.269 yeah two guys powery same uh same pow camp in 00:32:07.269 --> 00:32:11.630 this episode uh robbie goes to a hooverville 00:32:11.630 --> 00:32:18.180 to find um marco or to like find addison's wife 00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:23.539 yeah uh and then meets another super um who is 00:32:23.539 --> 00:32:27.380 another black man and we find out that they wouldn't 00:32:27.380 --> 00:32:29.700 have been in the same company at that time because 00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:31.440 the companies were still segregated which is 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.380 how they figure out that they were in a pow camp 00:32:33.380 --> 00:32:35.980 together that's right that's right yeah so he 00:32:35.980 --> 00:32:41.559 meets lonnie um who has weird bumpy face yeah 00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:46.339 yep uh So I don't know a lot of like deep Spider 00:32:46.339 --> 00:32:49.240 -Man character. So I'm trying to figure this 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.380 out. Who is Lonnie supposed to be? He's Tombstone. 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.519 I don't know anything about Tombstone. OK, so 00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:57.619 that's what I thought. Because Tombstone in the 00:32:57.619 --> 00:32:59.599 Spider -Verse is like a Frankenstein monster. 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.460 Well, so Tombstone is like he's a concrete man. 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:04.420 He's a stone man. He's like the thing. So when 00:33:04.420 --> 00:33:09.119 he had kind of the weird like shitness, like 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:14.240 kind of like insectoid, like. plates i'm just 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.119 like is he supposed to be scorpion no yeah it 00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:20.259 looks more like carapace in terms sometimes than 00:33:20.259 --> 00:33:23.099 uh others it's not my favorite of the designs 00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:28.380 for sure yeah it is definitely lazier is a word 00:33:28.380 --> 00:33:31.720 yes in terms of like but also i guess you can't 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.400 do a big gray stone man in black and white yeah 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.019 you have to you've already got sand man so yeah 00:33:38.019 --> 00:33:44.140 exima boy exima boy Oh, yeah. So, you know, this 00:33:44.140 --> 00:33:45.880 episode, I think, is what you touched on earlier. 00:33:46.019 --> 00:33:48.200 It features Robbie a little bit more. We see 00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:50.519 him eat a ketchup sandwich, which is like so 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.819 depressing. But it is the depression. I do love 00:33:53.819 --> 00:33:56.000 the number of times we see Nicolas Cage eat a 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.960 hot dog. I do not like the way he eats the hot 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:03.720 dog later, like in the later episodes. Just basically 00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:08.300 like. pulling the bun apart to just get wiener 00:34:08.300 --> 00:34:11.159 it's like not eating the bun just like get that 00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:14.880 out of here just straight into it it's like god 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.860 that's disturbing yeah it's not the best but 00:34:18.860 --> 00:34:21.579 i mean that bread might be terrible everybody 00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:25.980 knows depression bread was bad that's true that's 00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:28.159 very true i don't think that is true i don't 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:30.639 know if anybody's ever criticized bread during 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:37.099 the depression let's assume um okay i felt smart 00:34:37.099 --> 00:34:38.940 for a minute i was like oh i nailed it oh so 00:34:38.940 --> 00:34:43.239 we also learned that robbie is been black maybe 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:47.940 blacklisted from yeah the bugle um he gets a 00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:51.940 line on super superpowered people and he's trying 00:34:51.940 --> 00:34:56.940 to like desperately get talk to the editor -in 00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:59.199 -chief of the bugle yeah well he's really trying 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.130 to sell this uh silver main story that he's been 00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:04.349 working on yeah but he's just that's what he's 00:35:04.349 --> 00:35:06.710 been pushing he's begging for work at this point 00:35:06.710 --> 00:35:12.489 um and not really getting any response and when 00:35:12.489 --> 00:35:15.530 he finally does it he's kind of just thrown under 00:35:15.530 --> 00:35:20.909 the bus and his name is used to like write that's 00:35:20.909 --> 00:35:23.369 like three or four that's the end that happens 00:35:23.369 --> 00:35:25.489 at the end of this episode yeah at the end of 00:35:25.489 --> 00:35:28.170 two yeah i think so yeah that's when like it 00:35:28.170 --> 00:35:29.789 comes out that he's just like i didn't write 00:35:29.789 --> 00:35:32.269 this no no maybe you're right maybe that's later 00:35:32.269 --> 00:35:36.230 yeah that's not too um but yeah so he he goes 00:35:36.230 --> 00:35:39.150 to this hotel because he finds out that uh from 00:35:39.150 --> 00:35:43.769 lani he finds out that addison fireboy uh his 00:35:43.769 --> 00:35:46.730 wife is a piece of shit and whenever she comes 00:35:46.730 --> 00:35:49.880 into money she goes and spends it rapidly by 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:53.019 living a high society life and then immediately 00:35:53.019 --> 00:35:55.440 comes back as soon as comes back to the gutter 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.320 yeah yeah so he goes and confronts her does a 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.519 good job getting into her apartment you know 00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:05.159 because she's playing the race card and he manages 00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:09.800 to outsmart her yeah um and then uno reverses 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:13.059 that shit yes he does he does for real so what 00:36:13.059 --> 00:36:14.539 does he end up learning from her i can't remember 00:36:14.539 --> 00:36:19.059 exactly so she They know that Addison was hired 00:36:19.059 --> 00:36:22.960 to try and kill Silvermane. Is that all they 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:26.059 get from that? I can't think of anything else. 00:36:26.300 --> 00:36:29.199 Yeah. So anyway, I mean, what ends up happening 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:33.480 next is Silvermane is still trying to get a hold 00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.380 of Ben Reilly. So he goes and has his goons rough 00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:40.880 up Janet and the office. They smash a bunch of 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:44.409 shit. They trash the joint. that's it for janet 00:36:44.409 --> 00:36:47.670 she's like fuck this i'm out of here yeah i don't 00:36:47.670 --> 00:36:50.789 want to die not coming back yeah well they do 00:36:50.789 --> 00:36:55.849 get ben earlier but he gets away and they come 00:36:55.849 --> 00:36:58.510 back looking for him yeah because they've got 00:36:58.510 --> 00:37:00.710 him in the car and he's all i love those brothers 00:37:00.710 --> 00:37:04.150 or whatever god yeah it's one with the toaster 00:37:04.150 --> 00:37:08.070 i'm doing tai chi yeah they show up in his apartment 00:37:08.070 --> 00:37:10.630 pull guns at me like does like the cross -armed 00:37:10.630 --> 00:37:13.170 like web pose but realizes like he doesn't want 00:37:13.170 --> 00:37:14.989 to give up the ghost so he's like i'm doing tai 00:37:14.989 --> 00:37:19.969 chi it's good for the circulation um uh but throws 00:37:19.969 --> 00:37:21.969 a toaster at one of the guy's faces breaking 00:37:21.969 --> 00:37:24.530 his nose and then the other brother is in the 00:37:24.530 --> 00:37:26.190 back seat of the car while the one of the broken 00:37:26.190 --> 00:37:28.909 nose is driving and nick cage goes sorry about 00:37:28.909 --> 00:37:32.059 your nose like that was him he's like no and 00:37:32.059 --> 00:37:36.539 he like socks the door rolls out the door i do 00:37:36.539 --> 00:37:38.420 like that shot of him hanging onto the underside 00:37:38.420 --> 00:37:40.539 of the bridge just with one hand yeah just kind 00:37:40.539 --> 00:37:44.599 of dangling dangling um okay so yeah he's gotten 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:48.619 away from them they trash the joint we get introduced 00:37:48.619 --> 00:37:52.139 to like silvermane proper at this point and we 00:37:52.139 --> 00:37:55.360 kind of find out the crux of his story is silvermane's 00:37:55.360 --> 00:38:00.010 aging he's getting older and he assumes that 00:38:00.010 --> 00:38:02.570 there's someone gunning for him because people 00:38:02.570 --> 00:38:04.829 are coming for the King. Yeah. And he's, you 00:38:04.829 --> 00:38:07.710 know, trying to prove that he's not too old to 00:38:07.710 --> 00:38:11.010 like run the show. Um, and his right hand man 00:38:11.010 --> 00:38:13.869 is like, you know, you got to stay hidden. And 00:38:13.869 --> 00:38:16.349 he's like, no, cause he's like, nah, if I, you 00:38:16.349 --> 00:38:19.429 know, like if I hide that just shows weakness. 00:38:19.849 --> 00:38:23.710 Um, so, but what is it that gets silver main 00:38:23.710 --> 00:38:27.090 to like actually let the guy go and like scope 00:38:27.090 --> 00:38:30.539 out before him? Like something happened. Yeah, 00:38:30.579 --> 00:38:32.820 there was some sort of trigger to it. And I don't 00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:34.599 remember exactly what it was because he doesn't 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.699 want to show the weakness. But yeah, he's got 00:38:36.699 --> 00:38:39.599 his right hand man, Winston. And I don't know. 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:41.500 I was thinking maybe that it was Silvermane trying 00:38:41.500 --> 00:38:44.679 to test Winston a little bit. But I think you're 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.230 right. I think something spooked him. So he sends 00:38:47.230 --> 00:38:49.989 Winston in. Also, holy fuck, that guy, the actor, 00:38:50.110 --> 00:38:53.230 Lucas Haas, I hate his face so fucking much. 00:38:53.289 --> 00:38:55.230 He's got a real rat face. He's got a real rat 00:38:55.230 --> 00:38:57.130 face. And he just like, he looks like one of 00:38:57.130 --> 00:38:59.030 those guys who's super into close -up magic. 00:38:59.150 --> 00:39:04.469 And I'm like, oh, fuck off. You suck, man. But 00:39:04.469 --> 00:39:06.889 yeah, so then he ends up, Silvermane's going 00:39:06.889 --> 00:39:09.650 to go check out this shipment of Canadian booze. 00:39:09.650 --> 00:39:12.590 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Prohibition's still a thing. 00:39:13.090 --> 00:39:16.000 Prohibition's still a thing. So Nick Cage decides 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:17.920 that he's like, fuck it. It's time to be the 00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:20.800 spider again. Oh, got to talk about the scene 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.579 where he gets his spider shit back. Oh, yeah. 00:39:22.659 --> 00:39:26.500 Oh, yeah. Nick Cage putting on that character 00:39:26.500 --> 00:39:30.420 work. He he hid his costume and everything in 00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:33.000 the wall of his old apartment and then just like 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:37.679 left back like five years ago. Love the flashback 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.800 when he does that, because like he just literally 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.039 like hammers out and tears out a wall and then 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.760 like. the scene of him like putting the wall 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:48.099 back together is him just like taking this chunk 00:39:48.099 --> 00:39:51.400 of like wood and just kind of like balancing 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.539 it back into the wall like that i don't know 00:39:54.539 --> 00:39:56.920 laughing plaster is pretty weird shit man yeah 00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:00.219 just tuck it back it's fine yeah it's probably 00:40:00.219 --> 00:40:03.539 good uh but then to get his stuff back he goes 00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:06.440 in and takes a bunch of takes a toolbox and uh 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.559 mop from the maintenance office and just like 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:13.659 pretends to be the maintenance guy going in uh 00:40:13.659 --> 00:40:17.480 fixing a leak in a toilet i love that couple 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.420 that couple's great they show up a few times 00:40:19.420 --> 00:40:22.860 yeah they show up later too um which i like that 00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:25.019 feels very comic booky to me it's like these 00:40:25.019 --> 00:40:26.960 people just keep kind of over you know connecting 00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:30.320 paths i like at one point they're like is everything 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.360 okay in there and he's like i'm having an existential 00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:35.079 crisis having a bit of an existential crisis 00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:41.440 here about my toilet great line great line there 00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:46.539 are like there's one scene where we he had the 00:40:46.539 --> 00:40:50.139 other detective like tail silvermane's guy winston 00:40:50.139 --> 00:40:53.139 back to silvermane's apartment and then it just 00:40:53.139 --> 00:40:56.320 hard cuts to like ben reilly like under the floor 00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:57.920 listening showing up underneath the building 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.880 yeah i'm just like why did you have the other 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:03.920 guy track them if you already knew there's a 00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.199 few like weird cuts where ben just shows up and 00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:08.300 i'm like that's I don't know. His spider sense 00:41:08.300 --> 00:41:11.400 was tingling. Oh, also the spider sense thing. 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.780 It's just like it's not necessarily just danger, 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.659 just when weird shit's happening. And it seems 00:41:15.659 --> 00:41:20.420 really inconvenient. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so anyway, 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:22.500 Silvermane is on the way to go check out his 00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:26.219 Canadian whiskey or whatever and gets intercepted. 00:41:26.219 --> 00:41:29.960 His like three convoy convoy three car convoy 00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:32.039 gets intercepted by the spider who does a good 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.960 job dispatching those motherfuckers. Yeah, that's 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.570 a pretty fun little fight. he still lands poorly 00:41:37.570 --> 00:41:42.170 a couple times yep so this is where i want to 00:41:42.170 --> 00:41:44.789 talk about it here but more after episode four 00:41:44.789 --> 00:41:49.570 is just like so we have the ropey cgi um but 00:41:49.570 --> 00:41:51.510 we also have like these great scenes of like 00:41:51.510 --> 00:41:54.929 cool we can't afford to like do a lot of special 00:41:54.929 --> 00:41:56.530 effects so we're going to do a lot of practical 00:41:56.530 --> 00:41:59.849 spider -man work and i really like it like after 00:41:59.849 --> 00:42:04.309 20 years of like rubbery to more convincing like 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.460 spider antics like we finally have to rely on 00:42:08.460 --> 00:42:11.719 like stunt people and like proper like old school 00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:15.019 filmmaking and i'm really digging it yeah well 00:42:15.019 --> 00:42:18.559 and i mean like the early 2000s spider -man stuff 00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:22.300 like you know he he actually seemed like sort 00:42:22.300 --> 00:42:24.219 of normal you know he's superpowered but like 00:42:24.219 --> 00:42:28.280 he seemed kind of normal the the newer ones he's 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.000 like got stark powered suits and that kind of 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.099 shit it's just it's very different this feels 00:42:33.099 --> 00:42:37.360 like a guy who can just like take a beating and 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.880 can shoot fucking webs yeah you know also no 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.860 compunction about people dying he like that first 00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:48.019 like scene he's just fucking using people as 00:42:48.019 --> 00:42:52.420 uh human shields um i love the thing where the 00:42:52.420 --> 00:42:54.619 guy shoots through the roof and he's on the ceiling 00:42:54.619 --> 00:42:57.559 so he shoots his web through the hole to like 00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.559 careen the car into a wall yeah it's tight as 00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.320 hell yeah but that fight is pretty good it is 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:06.719 it's a lot of fun yeah and so then he confronts 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.460 silvermane it's basically i'm back stop fucking 00:43:09.460 --> 00:43:12.159 with ben reilly my my good friend who i sound 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.780 exactly like he's got a voice changer yeah it's 00:43:15.780 --> 00:43:18.900 not that bugs me because like it seems like there 00:43:18.900 --> 00:43:21.219 seems like a digital like voice change going 00:43:21.219 --> 00:43:24.420 on i'm like that's not real yeah i mean there's 00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:33.659 gotta be or anything like that no but it's also 00:43:33.659 --> 00:43:35.739 it's so much harder to understand him when he's 00:43:35.739 --> 00:43:39.539 using it yeah it is it's worse for sure so then 00:43:39.539 --> 00:43:42.139 it ends you know he goes back to the the office 00:43:42.139 --> 00:43:44.079 and he's like oh i you know i did a good thing 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.400 i saved the day um and finds out that this was 00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:51.659 all like a big sting to try and capture silvermane 00:43:51.659 --> 00:43:55.980 but because he fucked up his convoy silvermane 00:43:55.980 --> 00:43:58.820 never showed up they never bust him silvermane 00:43:58.820 --> 00:44:03.929 is still on the loose yeah end of episode two 00:44:03.929 --> 00:44:07.309 yeah uh no it's a great i'm really enjoying it 00:44:07.309 --> 00:44:09.789 so far i think uh episode one and two was a really 00:44:09.789 --> 00:44:11.610 good way to dip into it i watched those with 00:44:11.610 --> 00:44:14.949 rachel as standalone and then i watched uh three 00:44:14.949 --> 00:44:18.630 and four by myself uh the next day so i i think 00:44:18.630 --> 00:44:22.630 it's it's nicely weaving multiple storylines 00:44:22.630 --> 00:44:24.869 together there's the intrigues there's all these 00:44:24.869 --> 00:44:27.829 things who's crisscross double crossing it's 00:44:27.829 --> 00:44:30.269 paced very well you know i think the detective 00:44:30.269 --> 00:44:33.070 aspects of it are all real fun yeah i think it's 00:44:33.070 --> 00:44:35.730 pretty well put together it's well done um it 00:44:35.730 --> 00:44:40.130 it's nice seeing them kind of like piece together 00:44:40.130 --> 00:44:43.230 this mystery yeah uh throughout and like from 00:44:43.230 --> 00:44:46.130 different angles like you know the the information 00:44:46.130 --> 00:44:48.849 that donagal gets in the beginning the stuff 00:44:48.849 --> 00:44:52.730 that robbie gets like yeah and how like uh ben 00:44:52.730 --> 00:44:55.699 and robbie kind of work together through information 00:44:55.699 --> 00:44:58.539 sharing and you know they've both got their own 00:44:58.539 --> 00:45:01.820 end goals but they're uh they're getting through 00:45:01.820 --> 00:45:05.900 it together that's fun yeah and janet janet bringing 00:45:05.900 --> 00:45:08.260 that sandwich to the cops to get the information 00:45:08.260 --> 00:45:12.300 on marco is that episode three uh one is that 00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:14.659 episode one yeah i think so maybe it's two one 00:45:14.659 --> 00:45:18.099 or two it's one or two oh man and they're all 00:45:18.099 --> 00:45:21.440 like episode they're basically like everybody 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.000 just like floating around past the sandwich oh 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.760 just that's it because i'm playing a lego batman 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:30.739 legacy of the dark knight uh that made me think 00:45:30.739 --> 00:45:33.519 of this thing because all the cops in gotham 00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:36.440 are corrupt so the way falcone and the penguin 00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.260 are bribing the cops is just with donuts amazing 00:45:39.260 --> 00:45:41.380 so i'm playing that and watching the show at 00:45:41.380 --> 00:45:44.039 the same time so it gave me just like nah cops 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:49.719 are fat yeah well highly recommend go watch spider 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.880 noir yeah first two episodes thanks for listening 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.599 and a special thanks to our sparkle buddies josh 00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:58.139 josie matt adam bill stewart and willow and to 00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:01.340 our cage dancers john freeman nathan and cameron 00:46:01.340 --> 00:46:04.320 we really appreciate the support on patreon at 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.739 patreon .com slash cage match we are also on 00:46:07.739 --> 00:46:10.900 um blue sky and we're gonna start doing a little 00:46:10.900 --> 00:46:13.860 bit more on instagram just to be a little bit 00:46:13.860 --> 00:46:16.420 more lively um but yeah anyway thank you for 00:46:16.420 --> 00:46:18.300 listening and thank you to bill panks for our 00:46:18.300 --> 00:46:23.099 intro music All right. Do, do, do, do, do. Do, 00:46:23.219 --> 00:46:33.300 do, do, do, do. Bye, bye. Stir it. Stir it. Bye. 00:46:33.500 --> 00:46:33.900 Bye.