Oh God. I was, cause we were talking to someone
else about like nails and I'm like, I can't.
And I was just like, I can't have long nails.
Cause I play the bass. And the person I had been
talking to for two hours, like, yeah, I can't
have long nails because of my sex life. I'm like,
God damn it. Are we talking about hand jobs?
Yeah. Inside hand jobs. Inside hand jobs. I mean,
it's all a hand job, right? It was an inside
job, though. The hand came from within. It's
coming from inside the house. Hey, hey, now,
hey, now, hey, now. I want you to use your outside
hand job. Inside handjobs would have been sort
of like taboo back in 1930s. I mean, you know,
all gay things was taboo in the 1930s. That's
true. Nobody said an inside handjob was gay.
I mean, that's fingering. Or it's a handjob in
jail. Yeah. It's an in -the -joint handjob. Joint
job. A good classic joint job. Of all the joint
jobs. I had to walk into this one. Yeah, we're
going to do the whole podcast like this scene?
Yeah. Yeah. Immediately, my first complaint about
the show is the is. There's this whole shtick
scene. Oh, man. Okay, yeah. Nick, how do you
feel about that? It does not bother me. Actually,
in fact, the time when he was behind the door
or whatever, and you just hear him say, I lose
it every time. Welcome back. Before we get started,
welcome back to Cage. I'm Sean, here with my
co -host, Nick. And our producer. peter hello
i feel like i came in at a weird cadence when
i started that and i just kind of had to keep
it going oh yeah just ride it yeah you were just
like a hair slow and i was just ready i was just
edging all the way up until i had to bust my
name out felt like a weird inside hand job but
you know um and we are discussing the first two
episodes of spider and the wall yeah nick cage's
first tv show which is kind of fucking amazing
first scripted tv show he did do the history
of swearing on netflix well okay but that's like
a netflix kind of sure and it was a series but
it wasn't so much which we should do at some
point we should watch some of those episodes
but it wasn't like a scripted show he wasn't
acting yeah i'm sure there was a script i think
you just had to say fuck a lot yeah yeah that's
pretty good though pretty good i mean of all
the things to say it's a pretty good career solid
one yeah it's worked for samuel jackson and it
worked for jonah hill that's true yeah uh all
right i just want to i want to share speaking
of sam jackson um there's a line in ted 2 where
gross they meet the new love interest who's sam
jackson samantha jackson samantha like louise
jackson like oh shit you're sam l jackson and
she's like who's that it's like you ever see
a movie black guy i got to use a similar line
um yesterday because my co -workers like had
to host stand up and she's like i don't have
anything interesting so i googled celebrity birthdays
i'm like any elfman's birthday and she's like
i don't know who that is i'm like you ever see
a movie he wrote the score yeah pretty much if
it was fun if it was a fun score yeah it was
a little zany um every once in a while there'll
be like a really like umber like good music score
i'm like it was really good who did that i'm
like and it'll be daniel but i'm like ah weird
yeah yeah what'd you think of the score of this
tv show by kirby by kirby my therapist yeah that's
the one did you know i mean that'd be cool if
you just like him to not tell me he did another
he was associated with more nick cage shit Yeah.
Maybe they're not allowed to tell you. I don't
know. It could be a conflict of interest. Yeah.
He could actually introduce you to Nick Cage.
Kirby hasn't been my therapist for well over
a year now. What is it, two years before you
can be friends with your therapist? I think you
just never can be friends with your therapist.
Yes. They know too many of your dark secrets.
Yeah. Yeah, well, they can't just like be dominating
all your time by flexing on you all the time.
Too many inside hand jobs. Yeah. How how bad
would that feel if you were just paying your
therapist and they bragged like for an hour every
week, just bragging at you? And it's like, all
right, same time next week. I'll keep taking
your money. I'm about to go do something fun.
Have fun, loser with your sad ass life. I should
be a therapist. All right, let's talk Spider
Noir. I'm feeling it now. Yeah, you ready? It's
got me. It's got me. captured now i just took
a big nap um or in in lead up to this because
i was feeling fucking exhausted dude same how
long was your nap let's talk about that how great
is a nap a nap story oh yeah as as people in
our now almost 42s or whatever you old piece
of shit yeah it feels great to take a nap it
was weird taking a night nap though oh yeah i'm
really glad that might be it's you're running
a dangerous game into turning it into just sleep
yeah which i could have yeah if i didn't have
this going on i probably would have rolled right
into sleep totally would have been fine with
it which is a sad saturday no it's a great saturday
afternoon i uh i got my haircut today and uh
the girl who does my hair she's talking about
her kid being on like summer break soon and how
he's six and doesn't nap and i'm like fucking
kids are dumb fucking naps are amazing that's
all i want to do as an adult yeah well it feels
like a punishment when you're a kid because then
you've just got all that energy and yeah you're
uh being forced you're forced to do it that's
the shitty part is like you have to do it yeah
choosing a nap now that's the fucking sweet spot
also the best part about being an adult and napping
is it's just like it's 20 minutes closer to death
that i don't have to exist God, I long for the
long nap. The sweet, sweet little deaths. Wait,
that's orgasms, right? Spider Noir is... Spider
Noir is... I wouldn't know. Gotta get one of
those inside hand jobs. Oh, we brought it back.
Oh, my God. Spider Noir is a lot of fun, much
like this conversation. It doesn't make a lot
of sense, and there's weird accent work, but
I'm enjoying it. I kind of liked his accent.
I don't, it doesn't bother me that much. The
sort of like marble mouth sort of style. I don't,
I don't mind the accent work at all. I really
enjoy what he's doing. I really enjoyed the whole
like shtick. My only minor issue is just like
him and Gleason are in the same show. No one
else is in the same show as these two. I don't
know. I mean, Janet's like a fast talking smart
lady. Yeah. You know, she's got the vibe. I think
Janet exists in the same world. I think Robinson
or Robbie. Robbie. Cat Hardy. I don't know. She's
she's just sort of doing like sexy lady. Yeah.
She's very much like a socialite. Noir. Angel.
Angel. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Character. So
everyone everyone is doing a very good job. It's
specifically. and it comes across nick cage's
love for classic films for silent film work he's
doing a lot of like silent film style like body
work um there's one when we talk about episodes
three and four there's one so we'll talk about
that for sure i want to mention so he's doing
but he's doing there's a lot of like that pre
-talky energy that nick cage is bringing it goes
back to my thing about how when we did um planet
terror it's like it's hard to watch good actors
try and act poorly so there's aspects of this
where it's like it's hard to watch really good
actors try and act in a way that was like being
invented when talkies first came out and they're
not used to acting this way and it's just like
sometimes it feels forced in a way that i'm like
i'd wish you just play the scene straight yeah
i can see that um yeah yeah either way but i'm
enjoying it it's just like there there are definitely
parts where i'm like let's just move on from
like not everybody needs to be at that same level
as cage right i need everyone to be 20 less hammy
or 20 more hammy i need like i either need the
full honey baked or like just let nick cage do
his thing yeah Yeah, I think it's a stupid sketch
about smiling and the whitest kids. Yeah. I want
you to happier with your mouth open. well chief
it could use i see what you mean it could be
uh like tuned up to that level a little bit no
i think it's it's actually a really fun show
and i think it's done really well i'm impressed
with it so far i'm enjoying it so far um heads
up we're gonna spoil it we're gonna talk about
the the first two episodes here um pretty candidly
so we're not dancing around it if you haven't
watched it yet and don't want to hear what the
plot line is stop listening and then come back
later My expectations of this when I first heard
about the show were extraordinarily low and I
kept them as low as possible because I did not
want to get excited about it. Yeah, well, Sony
did a really good job of making everybody, I
hope, very unexcited about the prospect of any
non MCU Spider -Man like affiliated video. Oh,
my God. Is this just been like a prolonged like.
edging which is like or it's morbid time madam
webb um oh my god brave and the hunter we're
just gonna keep you super soft so you can bust
all over as white and noir yeah we're just gonna
give you a little bit of venom every once in
a while to sort of like keep you maybe get you
going it could it could still happen we could
still enjoy this yeah um but yes this movie or
this uh show is uh it's really captured my attention
like i really enjoy watching every episode yeah
uh the length of the episodes i really enjoy
i think the 45 minute ish mark is really good
spot for it sweet spot i was really i was honestly
expecting quick 22 minute episodes i'm so that's
what i was thinking too happy that they're like
actually full like 45 42 to 45 minute episodes
um i went into this with the expectation of we
were going to get throughout the entire show
12 minutes of spider -man um my watching the
first trailer of him swinging through new york
i thought was gonna be like that's gonna be like
that was their entire effects budget in that
trailer that's gonna be the end of the show and
that's what it starts with uh his voiceover and
backstory and that like the ropey the cgi work
is not great but it's it's tv i'm not mad at
it but i really expected that to be the closer
of the show but no he's swinging from he's swinging
from the word go he's spider -man the entire
time so i appreciate that that's what we're doing
yeah the swinging is kind of whatever that's
about the weakest part i think of the visuals
of this definitely yeah i think sean you put
it as like kind of a rubbery cgi spider -man
you know and that's that is how it looks and
feels but you know there's a lot of good practical
effects in general and then oh god his webbing
is like kind of repulsive yeah yeah organic webbing
should be gross it should be gross and it is
gross especially in the black and white it looks
like gnarly i like how just uh in the in the
black and white for sure they do such a good
job of making it like distinct and like visible
like the times where it looks darker or like
when it's like really light uh it stands out
all the time yeah we're all watching in black
and white right correct i did watch the first
two in color afterwards but so i started the
first one in true hue after watching it in black
and white and i watched the opening scene the
cg looks infinitely worse in color like the black
and white hides so much yeah artifacting and
like makes it look a lot better um but as soon
as we got and then we got the first scene with
him in the um in the bar and my first immediate
notice is like they they lit this to ultimately
be shown in black and white they did no color
correction for the true hue so it just it looks
really muddy and just it looks really off um
i did not enjoy it yeah well it's it's costumed
and all the scenery and stuff is designed to
kind of reflect a uh like a colorized film so
it's like if a black and white film got restored
and colorized um so they wouldn't have designed
it for color so you would have had deeper shadows
and all that kind of stuff so that makes some
sense and then also just like the uh the the
saturation of colors and stuff to make things
distinct in black and white is also uh very much
present um i do like the a lot of the costuming
in color um there are some things that like in
black and white i think are just still ultimately
better costuming wise like uh cat's dress in
the night uh nightclub clearly that is the intended
like version um and i was talking with a friend
of mine yesterday about it and he was just like
well why why even release it both ways and we
both came to the conclusion that there is a subset
of people who just will not watch something in
black and white they just refuse to because they
think it's they think it looks cheap or it's
like i i once dated someone who'd never seen
clerks because she's like that's a black and
white movie and i'm like Yeah, my ex -wife really
struggled with black and white stuff. She really,
really had a hard time with it. For whatever
reason, it just like made her brain kind of turn
off. She was like, I don't know. This is just
like not fun for me to watch. Yeah. So I find
it really delightful. And I really love, especially
that they played into it. It's like whoever the,
you know, the directors, the DPs, like they're
playing with these deep shadows, long cast lights.
It's really, really pretty and it's well done.
And it makes you think about like. old tv old
movies like they they caught the vibe really
nicely yeah and they did a really good job with
the uh capturing that noir uh appearance definitely
my friend uh kaylee like text me if i was asking
to watch if i was watching the show she said
no bitch i hate nick cage so i was and i asked
her i'm like are you watching black and white
or color she said color and my response was incorrect
start over Her response was, ha ha, fuck that.
It's not actually 1930s LMAO. And I'm like, incorrect.
I will say the one thing that stood out to me
better in color in these first two episodes is
Flint Marco's character of Sandman. I think that
the animation of like his skin and everything
works better in color than it did in black and
white. I think it didn't read as much in that
scene when I was watching it. the true way does
look like he just has like eczema in black yeah
yeah exactly like that guy just needs to exfoliate
a little bit maybe all right yeah up until the
point where he goes all sandy hand and like uh
sandy i do not want a sandy handy I don't know.
Restore that youthful feeling. Bust all those
calluses and shit off. You're right. Oh, my calloused
dick. Just fully. It releases the skin's freshest
layer. Uh huh. Uh huh. Yeah. The dick and noticeably.
a notably calloused tool what is this episode
let's talk about the plot line of this show we're
all well underslept clearly yeah all right so
we'll give the quick rundown so nick cage is
ben reilly he's a spider -man um and the spider
He's the spider. He's the legally distinct the
spider. The spider. So he's been a hero for a
while. His hopeful fiance dies and he hangs it
up for a bit to become a private eye. Maybe he
was a private eye before. I don't know. Doesn't
matter. He could have been both. No, he was a
photographer. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Robbie
was a photographer. robbie was a photographer
but they also talk about how ben was a good photographer
too yeah because ben always always good shots
the spider right now kind of that classic peter
parker situation like oh how'd you always get
those great shots we're kind of buddies yeah
yeah um he has a secretary named janet janet
yeah who's played by karen rodriguez and she's
fucking awesome she's my favorite she's incredible
yeah she nails that role so fucking well yeah
his buddy um robbie robertson played by um lamar
morris fucking awesome i love that guy too fucking
winnie the bush he's great he's so fun he was
good in black and white too like his style is
so fucking nice his suits look really nice in
color though i believed it so yeah it was like
oh man he's he's sharp i love him in everything
and i think it's episode three there's one episode
where he just like he gets to do just a little
bit of slapstick and i'm like i think that's
three yeah yeah guess who i am yeah i did like
his ketchup sandwich though yes so depressing
or depression meals depression meals i do my
favorite i will say my favorite line from the
first episode is when robbie and uh ben are having
lunch and robbie like takes to pickle up ben's
plate and just goes That's a used pickle, Robbie.
He eats it and he's just like... Yeah. Well,
fuck it, you're poor. Like, fuck it, that's the
depression. It is, right? Gotta eat. Then we've
got Lee Jun Lee is Cat Hardy, who's this lounge
singer. And then the sort of big bad in it, Silvermane,
is played by Brendan Gleeson, who... to sean's
point earlier really does feast in this role
i mean they let him loose and he's he's scary
like he's he does a good job so my immediate
read on this show is just like just because we're
talking about the cast my immediate read on this
entire cast is how many of these people just
signed on to do something with nicholas cage
i mean it could be that it could be that like
the concept of doing a Spider -Man TV show was
interesting. I mean, doing this 1930s sort of
weird twist on it is cool. I mean, it's very
stylized. It's very different. Yeah. You know,
it's a, what is it? Lord and Miller. Yeah. Lord
and Miller. Who executive produced this entire
thing. And like, obviously Spider -Verse is very
stylized and very appealing to people to be a
part of. So you'd hope that they would be. successful
with something like this too yeah there's a there's
a lot of draw uh nicholas cage lord and miller
just based on the first two episodes and i have
not finished the show yet but based on the first
two episodes uh and if you do know the answer
to this don't answer it but if you haven't finished
it and i'm talking to you too and like want to
chime in just in terms of speculation because
he does reference in the like the first line
of the show is like you know someone once told
me there are other dimensions but this is the
only dimension i've ever known um is it supposed
to be the same spider -man do you think like
is ben reilly like uh nom de pleur oh yeah i've
i've seen the speculation that ben reilly is
a name that he puts on uh for the show but his
real name is peter parker uh i I don't think
that we're looking at the Spider -Man noir character.
It'd be amazing if he just busted out a Rubik's
Cube at some point. I was going to say, I've
been looking in the background for it. That would
be pretty funny. For some reason in color. No
matter what version you choose. Goddamn. But
it's inscrutable. I'm going to figure this out.
Who wants to do episode one? to kind of run down
oh man uh i'm gonna have a hard time trying to
keep my episodes it's tough right um so episode
one we get the introduction to spider -man we
find out that he's been retired for five years
after his fiancee died in what seems to be some
type of drowning incident yeah she seems to be
handcuffed to the steering wheel of that car
as it's going down which definitely kind of feels
like a silvermane or some crime boss yeah some
revenge came after the spider found out about
her and but so ben has just become a private
eye but one that has a bit of a like is overly
cautious and a bit of a conscience like he he
turns away work or he'll take work but then won't
charge people or give them their money back To
the chagrin of a secretary who hasn't been paid
in months. Oh, my God. When he hands the money
back to Carmody and it just has that brief shot
of her and her eyes just get really big. Oh,
gosh, she's so good. She's the best. She's my
favorite character. Yeah. OK, so he gets hired
to investigate Cat Hardy, who this really ugly
man with no charm, no charm, no wit. Yeah. claims
is his wife but clearly is being you know some
part of a setup yeah so he climbs up to the penthouse
of this gigantic fucking building without using
his spider powers the the sad look on his face
when he just kind of is like all the way up a
penthouse uh penthouse a climbs up the fire escape
he's climbing up the fire escape goes by a window
where a guy is looking stamps and sticking them
to his like shirtless torso and he's a big hairy
guy and then just camera comes in off the side
and click yeah that's i think uh probably one
of our first looney tunes ish kind of uh yeah
illusions in this show yeah so he catches the
mayor he doesn't realize it at the time like
soliciting cat hardy yeah oh yeah he wants to
get handy he wants the inside hand job uh and
you know she slaps him and then cage sprays him
with spider goop yeah webs him before he can
slap her back and and this disappears yeah so
then goes to the nightclub to keep tracking her
down yeah they switch the plan he's gonna now
blackmail her yeah because so he gets when he
realizes that it's the mayor he's like because
he gives ugly guy gives the money back he's like
i can't do this job for you she's a loyal loving
wife your your wife is your wife loves you mr
carmody aren't you so thrilled yeah uh there's
no chance it's with that syphilitic walrus he's
gonna blackmail uh he's gonna blackmail kat hardy
with pictures of her with the mayor um we get
that amazing like lounge singer scene yeah um
which kind of like it's a very modern musical
beat and musical number and i fucking loved it
like i was just like the camera work was great
it's really good i want the show i wanted the
show to lean more into that going forward uh
and episode two it kind of doesn't um i do love
her outfits and i love whenever she's on screen
um there's one i think it's episode two um might
be episode three but there's one uh there's one
where she's like on stage and she just has like
this fractal mirror, like background behind her.
And I'm just so enamored with a time where you
experienced music live. Cause that's the old,
that would be the only way to experience it.
You would just go see a singer on a nightly basis.
Cause that's what entertainment was. And now
the kids have their hippity hop and their EDM
and it's just loud. And I hate it. I'm old. yeah
uh okay so then she she has her sort of like
enforcer protector lover flint marco who's there
and he kind of strong arms ben out of the the
nightclub we get that great shot of him uh following
yeah ben later oh my god the alley shots were
just these long cast shadows and yeah and flint's
in that white suit so he just stark contrast
it's like spy versus spy almost ben is just utilizing
like street urchins and street youths to like
be his like his um his eyes and ears around the
streets that little kid's great i love that kid
oh fucking uh the first scene uh where we introduced
the kid where he's like selling newspapers and
ben walks up to him hands the kid a coin and
then the kid goes into the paybook the payphone
drops his own coin in the payphone and like fishes
it out with the hell yeah yeah he's got like
a quarter on a string and it just costs a nickel
for that yeah and i'm like fucking amazing that
kid's like that kid's going places absolutely
he's a little pickpocket uh again spy yeah yeah
an actor as we see in like episode three or four
when ben is like yeah so when ben's leaving the
club um he goes to like put some money in the
kids uh kids cup and he's like is there a guy
following me white suit And yeah, the kid's like,
yeah. Yeah, do I have a white tail? Yeah, it's
good. So then Flint confronts him up on the top
of a construction tower or something, which weird
choice. But I mean, if you're the spider, if
you're Spider -Man, yeah, it's the perfect choice.
Yeah. So Flint, very strong, starts punching
the shit out of Ben. And then Ben clocks him
with a piece of wood. Yeah. knocks him down okay
what not just clock some of the piece of wood
this was amazing like going back to the looney
tunes of it all like ben is getting like beat
up um gets thrown off the building webs his way
back on so we actually see him like old spider
out um but is like on his back goes to grab a
crowbar marco steps on the hand with the crowbar
and then ben gives him a sly wink and then cracks
him with a piece of wood in his other hand Yeah,
it's a quit watching the mouth. Watch the hands.
Yeah. I love how bad he is at landing. anytime
he webs somewhere he's pretty bad he just kind
of flops into it's like he like an old man he's
like oh my back i mean he's six he's in his six
like nick cage is in his 60s nick's yeah nick
cage is 62 so like it does make sense and if
they're playing him as like you know he's in
his 50s or something like that and he's been
retired for five years right stop we need to
stop like putting we need we need to stop putting
uh 30 something year old 20 and 30 something
year old woman with nick cage as a potential
love interest yeah i mean it's hard to tell like
white people age so poorly so cat hardy could
be in her 40s and looks you know significantly
better but when we talk about when we talk about
three and four i do want to touch on that um
but i'm just thinking like whenever we have a
flashback with him and and uh with his fiance
with ruby and it's just like they're dancing
i'm like she's holding up that old man yeah it
does look like you're dancing with your dad you
know yeah they were different times sean yeah
simpler times simpler times also it was the 1920s
that man is that man is a hard 40. it's a good
point yeah i mean like you think about inside
smoking rampant drinking plus being the spider
yeah yeah also they do not shy away from smoking
in the show everybody fucking smokes everybody
smokes yeah a lot of smoking even like the kids
smoke so much oh yeah yeah so we missed we missed
one sort of like main beat that ties it all to
silvermane so Silvermane, this like mobster of
New York, right? He's an enemy of the mayor.
He's just like the guy who's kind of run rampant
since the spider has retired. He his mansion
got burned down by somebody with weird powers,
it seems. And Ben early in this is paid to track
this guy down. He sees him light himself on fire.
Another detective shoots the guy to death. Things
are hinky about the entire thing. But now Silvermane's
all like wise to the fact that there are supers.
I think he wants to, you know, manipulate that
as much as possible. He wants one of his own.
Yeah, he wants one of his own. And the other
detective gets killed by Silvermane because he
doesn't have enough info. And Silvermane wants
Ben Reilly as his next target to get more information
on who's putting the hit out on him. Because
that's kind of the big subtext of the first two,
three episodes is why is someone trying to kill
Silvermane and who is it? Yeah. Who's the double
cross? Who's the snitch? Who's everything? So
episode one ends with Cat Hardy hiring Ben to
find Flint Marco because he has vanished. Yeah.
Flint's on the lam. Yeah. And we go rapidly into
episode two. Yeah. What happens in episode two?
It kind of begins the reveal that Flint and Addison,
the flame guy, now dead, were. part of a world
war one yes world war one troop yeah that were
pows at some point in the war and something is
weird about that yeah but we don't know why yet
yeah two guys powery same uh same pow camp in
this episode uh robbie goes to a hooverville
to find um marco or to like find addison's wife
yeah uh and then meets another super um who is
another black man and we find out that they wouldn't
have been in the same company at that time because
the companies were still segregated which is
how they figure out that they were in a pow camp
together that's right that's right yeah so he
meets lonnie um who has weird bumpy face yeah
yep uh So I don't know a lot of like deep Spider
-Man character. So I'm trying to figure this
out. Who is Lonnie supposed to be? He's Tombstone.
I don't know anything about Tombstone. OK, so
that's what I thought. Because Tombstone in the
Spider -Verse is like a Frankenstein monster.
Well, so Tombstone is like he's a concrete man.
He's a stone man. He's like the thing. So when
he had kind of the weird like shitness, like
kind of like insectoid, like. plates i'm just
like is he supposed to be scorpion no yeah it
looks more like carapace in terms sometimes than
uh others it's not my favorite of the designs
for sure yeah it is definitely lazier is a word
yes in terms of like but also i guess you can't
do a big gray stone man in black and white yeah
you have to you've already got sand man so yeah
exima boy exima boy Oh, yeah. So, you know, this
episode, I think, is what you touched on earlier.
It features Robbie a little bit more. We see
him eat a ketchup sandwich, which is like so
depressing. But it is the depression. I do love
the number of times we see Nicolas Cage eat a
hot dog. I do not like the way he eats the hot
dog later, like in the later episodes. Just basically
like. pulling the bun apart to just get wiener
it's like not eating the bun just like get that
out of here just straight into it it's like god
that's disturbing yeah it's not the best but
i mean that bread might be terrible everybody
knows depression bread was bad that's true that's
very true i don't think that is true i don't
know if anybody's ever criticized bread during
the depression let's assume um okay i felt smart
for a minute i was like oh i nailed it oh so
we also learned that robbie is been black maybe
blacklisted from yeah the bugle um he gets a
line on super superpowered people and he's trying
to like desperately get talk to the editor -in
-chief of the bugle yeah well he's really trying
to sell this uh silver main story that he's been
working on yeah but he's just that's what he's
been pushing he's begging for work at this point
um and not really getting any response and when
he finally does it he's kind of just thrown under
the bus and his name is used to like write that's
like three or four that's the end that happens
at the end of this episode yeah at the end of
two yeah i think so yeah that's when like it
comes out that he's just like i didn't write
this no no maybe you're right maybe that's later
yeah that's not too um but yeah so he he goes
to this hotel because he finds out that uh from
lani he finds out that addison fireboy uh his
wife is a piece of shit and whenever she comes
into money she goes and spends it rapidly by
living a high society life and then immediately
comes back as soon as comes back to the gutter
yeah yeah so he goes and confronts her does a
good job getting into her apartment you know
because she's playing the race card and he manages
to outsmart her yeah um and then uno reverses
that shit yes he does he does for real so what
does he end up learning from her i can't remember
exactly so she They know that Addison was hired
to try and kill Silvermane. Is that all they
get from that? I can't think of anything else.
Yeah. So anyway, I mean, what ends up happening
next is Silvermane is still trying to get a hold
of Ben Reilly. So he goes and has his goons rough
up Janet and the office. They smash a bunch of
shit. They trash the joint. that's it for janet
she's like fuck this i'm out of here yeah i don't
want to die not coming back yeah well they do
get ben earlier but he gets away and they come
back looking for him yeah because they've got
him in the car and he's all i love those brothers
or whatever god yeah it's one with the toaster
i'm doing tai chi yeah they show up in his apartment
pull guns at me like does like the cross -armed
like web pose but realizes like he doesn't want
to give up the ghost so he's like i'm doing tai
chi it's good for the circulation um uh but throws
a toaster at one of the guy's faces breaking
his nose and then the other brother is in the
back seat of the car while the one of the broken
nose is driving and nick cage goes sorry about
your nose like that was him he's like no and
he like socks the door rolls out the door i do
like that shot of him hanging onto the underside
of the bridge just with one hand yeah just kind
of dangling dangling um okay so yeah he's gotten
away from them they trash the joint we get introduced
to like silvermane proper at this point and we
kind of find out the crux of his story is silvermane's
aging he's getting older and he assumes that
there's someone gunning for him because people
are coming for the King. Yeah. And he's, you
know, trying to prove that he's not too old to
like run the show. Um, and his right hand man
is like, you know, you got to stay hidden. And
he's like, no, cause he's like, nah, if I, you
know, like if I hide that just shows weakness.
Um, so, but what is it that gets silver main
to like actually let the guy go and like scope
out before him? Like something happened. Yeah,
there was some sort of trigger to it. And I don't
remember exactly what it was because he doesn't
want to show the weakness. But yeah, he's got
his right hand man, Winston. And I don't know.
I was thinking maybe that it was Silvermane trying
to test Winston a little bit. But I think you're
right. I think something spooked him. So he sends
Winston in. Also, holy fuck, that guy, the actor,
Lucas Haas, I hate his face so fucking much.
He's got a real rat face. He's got a real rat
face. And he just like, he looks like one of
those guys who's super into close -up magic.
And I'm like, oh, fuck off. You suck, man. But
yeah, so then he ends up, Silvermane's going
to go check out this shipment of Canadian booze.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Prohibition's still a thing.
Prohibition's still a thing. So Nick Cage decides
that he's like, fuck it. It's time to be the
spider again. Oh, got to talk about the scene
where he gets his spider shit back. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Nick Cage putting on that character
work. He he hid his costume and everything in
the wall of his old apartment and then just like
left back like five years ago. Love the flashback
when he does that, because like he just literally
like hammers out and tears out a wall and then
like. the scene of him like putting the wall
back together is him just like taking this chunk
of like wood and just kind of like balancing
it back into the wall like that i don't know
laughing plaster is pretty weird shit man yeah
just tuck it back it's fine yeah it's probably
good uh but then to get his stuff back he goes
in and takes a bunch of takes a toolbox and uh
mop from the maintenance office and just like
pretends to be the maintenance guy going in uh
fixing a leak in a toilet i love that couple
that couple's great they show up a few times
yeah they show up later too um which i like that
feels very comic booky to me it's like these
people just keep kind of over you know connecting
paths i like at one point they're like is everything
okay in there and he's like i'm having an existential
crisis having a bit of an existential crisis
here about my toilet great line great line there
are like there's one scene where we he had the
other detective like tail silvermane's guy winston
back to silvermane's apartment and then it just
hard cuts to like ben reilly like under the floor
listening showing up underneath the building
yeah i'm just like why did you have the other
guy track them if you already knew there's a
few like weird cuts where ben just shows up and
i'm like that's I don't know. His spider sense
was tingling. Oh, also the spider sense thing.
It's just like it's not necessarily just danger,
just when weird shit's happening. And it seems
really inconvenient. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so anyway,
Silvermane is on the way to go check out his
Canadian whiskey or whatever and gets intercepted.
His like three convoy convoy three car convoy
gets intercepted by the spider who does a good
job dispatching those motherfuckers. Yeah, that's
a pretty fun little fight. he still lands poorly
a couple times yep so this is where i want to
talk about it here but more after episode four
is just like so we have the ropey cgi um but
we also have like these great scenes of like
cool we can't afford to like do a lot of special
effects so we're going to do a lot of practical
spider -man work and i really like it like after
20 years of like rubbery to more convincing like
spider antics like we finally have to rely on
like stunt people and like proper like old school
filmmaking and i'm really digging it yeah well
and i mean like the early 2000s spider -man stuff
like you know he he actually seemed like sort
of normal you know he's superpowered but like
he seemed kind of normal the the newer ones he's
like got stark powered suits and that kind of
shit it's just it's very different this feels
like a guy who can just like take a beating and
can shoot fucking webs yeah you know also no
compunction about people dying he like that first
like scene he's just fucking using people as
uh human shields um i love the thing where the
guy shoots through the roof and he's on the ceiling
so he shoots his web through the hole to like
careen the car into a wall yeah it's tight as
hell yeah but that fight is pretty good it is
it's a lot of fun yeah and so then he confronts
silvermane it's basically i'm back stop fucking
with ben reilly my my good friend who i sound
exactly like he's got a voice changer yeah it's
not that bugs me because like it seems like there
seems like a digital like voice change going
on i'm like that's not real yeah i mean there's
gotta be or anything like that no but it's also
it's so much harder to understand him when he's
using it yeah it is it's worse for sure so then
it ends you know he goes back to the the office
and he's like oh i you know i did a good thing
i saved the day um and finds out that this was
all like a big sting to try and capture silvermane
but because he fucked up his convoy silvermane
never showed up they never bust him silvermane
is still on the loose yeah end of episode two
yeah uh no it's a great i'm really enjoying it
so far i think uh episode one and two was a really
good way to dip into it i watched those with
rachel as standalone and then i watched uh three
and four by myself uh the next day so i i think
it's it's nicely weaving multiple storylines
together there's the intrigues there's all these
things who's crisscross double crossing it's
paced very well you know i think the detective
aspects of it are all real fun yeah i think it's
pretty well put together it's well done um it
it's nice seeing them kind of like piece together
this mystery yeah uh throughout and like from
different angles like you know the the information
that donagal gets in the beginning the stuff
that robbie gets like yeah and how like uh ben
and robbie kind of work together through information
sharing and you know they've both got their own
end goals but they're uh they're getting through
it together that's fun yeah and janet janet bringing
that sandwich to the cops to get the information
on marco is that episode three uh one is that
episode one yeah i think so maybe it's two one
or two it's one or two oh man and they're all
like episode they're basically like everybody
just like floating around past the sandwich oh
just that's it because i'm playing a lego batman
legacy of the dark knight uh that made me think
of this thing because all the cops in gotham
are corrupt so the way falcone and the penguin
are bribing the cops is just with donuts amazing
so i'm playing that and watching the show at
the same time so it gave me just like nah cops
are fat yeah well highly recommend go watch spider
noir yeah first two episodes thanks for listening
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