Oh God. Oh my God. imagine that rachel's helmet
would fit your ginormous like no it does not
it does not go all the way down on my head no
very much at the very top point of his head but
it's also not big enough for me to put the headphones
on underneath yeah it was the bit didn't work
well enough we were gonna have you yell real
loud oh hey benjamin franklin gates hello i'm
so glad we've done this great visual comedy work
on our podcast. Our audience understands. It's
been four years and we still don't understand
how this medium works. I think we're crushing
it. We could probably start doing video episodes
because I just barely edit anymore. Throw it
up as it is. Harder to run with that, but I can
figure it out. Has it gotten better or because
you've stopped caring? It can be a little bit
of both. I would say mostly I care less. Season
three is different though. Like when we were
having to do the head to head stuff, it mattered
more structure, all that kind of thing. There
was a little, a little more that we had to pay
attention to. This is a little more free form.
This is like jazz. I love myself some jazz. That's
fantastic. So how did you forget that you're
running a race tomorrow? It's not that I forgot.
It's a Cinco de Mayo fun run. And tomorrow is
Tres de Mayo. All right. All right. I'll give
it to you. Cinco de Mayo. That's actually a fair
comeback. I'll give them that one. This is what
I get for, you know, trying to speak in the devil's
tongue. Oh, Diablo's tongue. Yeah, right. I spent
all week on that joke. It shows. Didn't watch
the movie. Yeah, didn't watch the movie. Just
like Nick. Speaking of things I've wasted my
time on, welcome back to Cage Magical and a roundabout
way of meeting Nicolas Cage. I'm Sean, here with
my co -host. I'm Sean. Here with my co -host.
I'm Sean. I'm Sean. I'm Seanicus. Yes, we are
all Sean. Now, everybody say a slur. I'm Sean
and I approve this message. I'm not doing much
with it. And, you know, I don't know. At this
point, I actually have decent credit, so don't
don't fuck with it. Yeah, we don't want to mess
with your IMDB either. Of course. Yeah, that's
pretty important to have that. Yeah, your star
power is on the rise again. So, Bill. I genuinely
cannot remember. Have you ever been on the podcast
before? I have not been on the podcast before.
I was just talking to Peter. How many nervous
poops did you have? About three, I believe. So
it was good. And then took Jarvis on a walk and
he had two. So we are all empty. It's good. We're
going to go. Perfect timing. I love that. Yep.
We're going to have a real like a race to get
you three appearances on the podcast before everybody
gets three. I was going to say I was listening
to last week's show this morning and I was like,
oh, no, we got number one today, but I have to
get two more. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be tight.
I feel like John has I feel like John's had more
than three. John or Oric have had the most, I
think. I think it's been John because I think
John's also was on. He's done like three actual
episodes and he was on long legs as well. Oh,
that's right. Yeah. Good old long legs. Yeah.
I haven't missed an episode and it's definitely
those two that I've, I've heard the most often
as guest stars. Yeah. Although Hornback starting
to stick out too. Yeah. Speaking of long legs,
spiders. I'll give it to you. That was almost
one of the better ones I've heard from you. Well
done. Long legs. Perfect. Speaking of daddies,
this movie is for all the daddies. We're also
talking about Into the Spider -Verse. Yes. We've
got Chris Pine, Fat Spider -Man. Jake Johnson.
Jake Johnson. Love him. He's great. And Nick
Cage. And crazy, coked -out Uncle Spider -Man,
John Mulaney. All the daddy spiders. Ooh, can
I get my Sean in 60 seconds out of the way? Yes.
Oh, hey. All right. it's great this movie's still
awesome go watch it do you want to say anything
else with your extra time six seconds no i fucking
i tried to write something for this one i'm like
no this is a good movie i can't i'm not gonna
make this funny so just fucking go watch it it's
still amazing I paid for a minute, Sean, in 60
seconds. I only got six seconds. Come on now.
What are you going to give me with that last
50? You got to say it 10 times now. Perfect.
Excellent. Oh, this is good. Peter hasn't had
a reason to cut content in a while. Just keep
it up. Keep it up. Here we go. Editing. Nailing
it. Mute entire track. I only have one critique
about this movie, and that's the fact that it
sounds like everyone recorded their dialogue
underwater. The sound mixing on this movie, not
great. Everything else, perfect. Could that have
been maybe an artistic choice? They're all wearing
masks. Yeah, they're wearing masks, plus the
art is so beautiful in this. maybe it's genuinely
sounds like it at times where they're just standing
way too far away from the mics but everyone like
i've watched this movie like seven times and
this is the first time i watched it with like
subtitles and i'm like i never knew they were
saying half that shit i need this i never i'm
41 years old i have to have this i just always
have them on too yeah so i guess i never really
have paid that much attention to it yeah i never
caught me as uh being bad everyone's like everyone
sounds either like extra mumbly or just like
slightly like removed from like where i feel
like their voice should be at i don't know it's
just got a weird sound mix i i think at this
point we need to stop holding people to our quality
of audio this audio honey right yeah we we're
really laying it on thick we're good we nailed
it boom we're professionals that's true but other
than that movie is fucking spectacular um it
is it's a really good movie you're wrong and
yeah rachel's not like super huge on animation
and she was sort of watching while doing some
work next to me and then got sucked in by it
for sure yeah the animation style of this is
just so incredible it's so cool it's it's something
else that's the only like gripe that i i've read
about this is that the artists got like overworked
which that's no shit like of course they did
yeah but you know it it shows it's really good
it's very very cool I think that might be the
other critique, then, is it's going to take way
too long to get part three out because they're
so... I heard it got delayed a couple times because,
well, and now with everybody getting fired over
in Marvel and stuff these days, it's like...
Well, this is still Sony. This is still Sony,
so it will be a little different. Okay, good.
Hey, you're giving me hope. That's good, because
they left us hanging after the second one. But
that's not the movie we're talking about. There
was an interview with Lord and Miller where they
talked about the third film and why it's taken
so long. And what they said was, they knew the
second movie they had too much story for one
film so like we'll make it two films then they
finished the second film went into production
for the third and they're like oh we have a third
act we don't have a full movie so they pretty
much needed to like extend out the ending of
the second movie to be a full movie so they needed
to find like a story within it to tell a full
arc Well, give us the story of this one. OK,
we will talk about the first one, not the second
one, which embarrassingly enough, I had to ask
Peter, which one is it for sure? He's like the
one Nicolas Cage is actually in. He'll be in
the third one. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, story
opens. I won't have the right. earth name but
it opens with a spider -man and that's the chris
pine spider -man that sean brought up and uh
the one and only the one and only spider -man
and talking about how great it is to be spider
-man kind of goes through some of the history
of the spider -man what we've seen in the past
which was was kind of a fun little nod to some
of the history he has a so -so popsicle Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Golly. I was like, oh, I actually would
try that Popsicle, though. And a Christmas album.
Good for him. Yeah. So we start off with that
world. Spider -Man. Spider -Man. And then it
shows us Miles Morales starting another week
or so at this school that he does not want to
go to. But his dad drops him off. They go to
school. And then he hates. I've got to just.
I like this cop. I thought about, I was, I was,
I finished my run and yeah, I wasn't sure when
to bring this up. And I don't know if you'd call
miles a kid, but this is one of the few times
in the history of this podcast. Good cop. Good
kid. Yeah. It might be the old time. It was honestly
racking my brains to think. Cause there've been
times there've been like, Oh, there's a sneaky
good kid or, Oh wow. This cop actually did the
right thing. No, no good cop. Good kid. Cause
even when he was kind of mad at Spider -Man.
He was not like, oh, good. He's well, spoiler
alert. He's dead. Yes. He was like. So like and
then with the new Spider -Man, he was going to
work with him, too. He didn't love it, but he
was actually like willing to be like not bend
his morals, but like, OK, I'm not too good for
you. I will work with you. So that was really
nice to see that they've created a good cop.
Yeah. So that was nice. Well, Spider -Man did
say, I love you. That's true. We can definitely
see why this cop hasn't made detective yet. Cause
he's not good at like figuring shit out. That,
that, that too as well. So then Miles goes to
blow off steam with his uncle, Aaron, and does
some graffiti art. Who's very good at, and what
happens? The usual Spider -Man thing gets bit
by a radioactive spider. Not sure why it had
number 42 on it, but. maybe one of y 'all know
jackie robinson oh perfect thank you that makes
sense miles morales is uh oftentimes hit up with
that number 42 so you see it a couple times in
the movie like when he when miles falls yes there's
the 42 next to him it's all a nod to jackie robinson
that's cool i didn't know that yeah i didn't
i i honestly thought you're pulling my leg at
first uh no that is yeah so he gets bit obviously
the spider -man stuff starts to happen sports
i love that first thing though when he gets bit
and then it's just sort of like yeah and that's
a quick slap spider dead goodbye you did your
job since we're just going into a little bit
of the history of uh miles morales uh comes from
the ultimate comics universe um brian michael
bendis had written the entirety of uh ultimate
comics spider -man and when he was kind of figuring
out what to do with the character and i think
at this point they knew they were gonna kill
peter parker um but he has adopted uh daughters
who are black and he was talking to them and
they were like how come we don't have a spider
-man he's like you're right how come you don't
have a spider -man and that's where he came up
with the idea of doing miles oh that's awesome
i love that uh okay so miles has been bitten
he goes to school the next day he's got all this
like oh what's wrong with me powers and that's
where we're too small the high waters Did I hit
puberty? Why did I say that out loud? Why am
I so sweaty? Yes, that's what I ask myself every
day. I don't think I'm going through puberty
anymore. Yeah, I didn't know internal monologue
was a Spider -Man power, but apparently that's
part of the game. Another fun thing about that
is the comic book thing that they lean into with
the little things popping up like they would
in a comic book. I was like, okay, that's a cool
little artistic thing that y 'all did there.
Yeah. The style of this is very good. Yeah. More
of this. please. That's where we meet. Gwanda.
Gwanda. Gwanda. Gwanda. Your name's Gwanda? She's
South African. Couldn't help but think of my...
But I grew up here. A little nod to the Avengers
2, which I was like, okay, that's kind of fun.
But anyway, we meet Gwanda and we find out that
he can't control the stickiness of his hands.
Me too, dude. Halfway out. I knew that that one
wasn't... That was going to get hit by something.
And so we meet her and he's still freaking out
then. Oh my gosh. Where do we go from like, all
right, help, help pick me up here. So, I mean,
just like, there's a fun scene in that is, you
know, he, he goes in the security cop guy is
like, Hey, where'd you go? Morales. He's like,
Oh, play dumb. who's morales and then he ends
up in his office you know he sneaks out the window
walks on the wall when he gets back to his apartment
he's trying to figure out what happens he finds
a spider -man an issue of spider -man that has
the origins of spider -man which just bugs me
i'm like so spider -man's told his story and
I'm assuming within the comics has a secret entity
that isn't Peter Parker, but it's Peter Parker's
origin story. Hmm. I've never liked that. I found
a plot hole. Right. Yeah. That's actually a good
point. It's silly and it's always bugged me.
Yeah. I'm taking too long to get us through here.
So now he wants to go see his uncle Aaron. That's
part of the show. Sean cheaped out on Sean in
60 seconds. There's the other 50 seconds. You
got 55 seconds. All right. So now he's at least
gotten himself unstuck from everything. And he's
like, who do I trust? Uncle Aaron. I'll go see
him again. Ghost finds the spider. He's like,
oh, okay. Still there. Still dead. And that's
where we first get, well, reintroduced to Peter
Parker as he is fighting something not far from
where Uncle Aaron lives. What do you think of
the Green Goblin creature? Thank you. I'm confused
by that. Is that a comic thing? That's the Green
Goblin from the Ultimate Universe. Oh, he's that
big? Yeah. Oh, he's a big boy. I did the IMDb
search for this one, and I already knew the voice
cast for this was great. I didn't realize that
was Jorma from Lonely Island. Yeah. Yeah, that's
really cool. Nice. A little Andy Samberg love
right there. But yeah, what, his three lines
he had, and three of them or two of them are
growls. Like, I thought that was kind of an interesting
take. But I liked it and still called him Norm.
So obviously it's the right guy. And then we
get to them fighting for what was the big machinery
called again? Super Collider. Super Collider.
That's right. Which I think looks cool as hell.
It's really cool, yeah. And they get in a battle.
Well, Miles doesn't. Miles is trying to hide.
And Spider -Man. Peter Parker is fighting against
Jorma, the Green Goblin. And Liev Scheiber makes
his appearance as Kingpin. Golly. So I love this
like version of the Kingpin, like visually, like
big head, middle of his body, just like giant
wide shoulders. How much do you think this guy
spends on double doors? Like everywhere he like
buys. He needs a double door. We got to talk
about his dick, too. I just really want to know.
What's going on with that dick? Is it a button?
Is it big? Like, I don't know. How did it work
with his wife? Yeah, and they had a child. Unless
that child's adopted, something happened. Normal
looking child, yeah. Where did the shoulders
go? Puberty. Ah, doy. That's what happens. This
specific... depiction of the kingpin is based
on a oh god uh bilson kevich uh daredevil run
a very kind of abstracted like version um awesome
there's so much comic history in this movie yeah
and i was i was wondering about that i figured
there was always like nods that i was not getting
you know things that were there for very specific
reasons that people more educated in comics would
know than i would um i love the design of kingpin
i think it's really fucking cool the first time
he shows up it's like solid black and he kind
of emerges and all you can see is that fucking
head and the like shirt lapels it's such a cool
design he looks like he's mounted on a wall and
the wall is his body That's cool. It's a good
style for him. I like that they made him all
black, though. Yeah. I think that worked really
well for the visuals of him. All new, all black
kingpin. Yeah. Yeah, that was a good choice.
That was Daredevil with fucking Batman. Friends
of Matt Damon. Ben Affleck. Ben Affleck. Daredevil.
Way to get there, Matt Damon. Notable friend
of Matt Damon. Yes, yes. He's not famous for
anything else. So yeah, so Spider -Man gets in
the fight. It looks like, and I... Looks like
that Spider -Man saw something and he definitely
got his butt whooped. And he tells Miles, hey,
you still got to do this. Here's your here's
your task. And Miles says, OK, I'll help you.
And then Kingpin shows up, confronts Peter. Peter
tells him you can't do this. And Kingpin kills
him, which the first time I saw this, I was like,
no, Spider -Man can't die. That's ridiculous.
So has Kingpin killed Spider -Man? comic history
that i don't know about or is that i mean in
ultimate spider -man peter does die uh but he
dies taking a bullet for captain america yeah
uh okay well and kingpin must be pretty strong
if he could i mean yeah spidey had kind of gotten
his butt whooped but like he only hit him once
and he was dead his big old ham fist that's true
like mega strong yeah like for a normal person
what isn't it like he supposedly has like 2 %
body fat or something like that. He's just a
fucking brick shithouse. Gosh. Okay. I gotta
see that guy naked. I gotta see him. Rule 34.
It exists somewhere. You know it exists somewhere.
I'm not Googling that. You can do that on your
own. Not on a work computer. Just look up what
Kingpin's dick looks like. I'll do it. I'll fucking
Google anything. Yeah, that won't be a problem.
My FBI overlord will have to see it at some point.
Exactly. looking at kingpin dick again just saved
the photo nick quit googling it every week don't
need that history you're not my dad one thing
that um maybe a slight plot hole is okay so he
kills spider -man and kingpin says get rid of
the body It is, what, maybe an hour later that
the news breaks that they found his body? Whoever
got rid of the Spider -Man body did a terrible
job of hiding it. Chuck it in the... It's like,
well, outside. Like, this is a guy that... Take
the mask off and people won't even know who he
is. It'll just be dead Peter Parker. They didn't
even take his costume off, apparently. Yeah,
I don't think they cared that much. Chuck him
in Times Square. Here you go. They wanted people
to know. Leave him outside. It must be, like,
mass trash collection day or whatever. bulk trash
that's what they call it clearly he was clearly
he was proud of having done it because when he
threw his ball he had all of the waitstaff dressed
as spider -man that's true yes yeah oh what a
power play what am i also weird inviting mj to
that Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, weird that
you took the invite. I'd be like, you know, a
little too fresh, a little too fresh. I'll do
it without the free bread. Yeah, now they not
know he's evil. OK, so then Peter B. Parker.
Yes. How does he show up? I can't remember. He
gets sucked through the thingy. Well, no, I remember
that part. But like, how does he show up in Miles's
life? So when Peter, when Spider, Peter Parker
and Norman are fighting, Norman sticks him into
the. magic ray the collider beam right and that
like searches out all the like spider -men and
that's how all the spider people get pulled in
right i meant more like how does he actively
in the movie meet miles at the he goes to his
uh miles goes to the grave peter's grave oh that's
there to look at his dead body apparently i mean
you know if i woke up in a universe i was dead
I might want to go check that out. I'd be curious.
Yeah. Because you know what? You need that fucking
flash selfie. Yes. Yes. That did have that scene
has one of my favorite quotes. So like they are
interacting. Miles zaps him. because he has a
power that he didn't know then the cops are there
the cop on the radio is just like uh it looks
like a child dressed like spider -man is dragging
a homeless corpse behind a train that was a really
good one i didn't write that one down but it
made the cut yeah i just i i love i can we just
say how much peter b parker is just like the
best spider -man like i love me a chubby out
of shape or divorced sad spider -man with sweats
i can relate to that so good and everyone's just
dogging on him the whole time too it's like wow
you are just like spider -man except a little
older yeah a little fatter i love when he tells
his origin story it's the same as uh chris pine
spider -man but it's just i think add 10 more
years onto it because they say chris pine spider
-man's like 27 when he dies so this spider -man's
like closer to 40 and he's like i broke my back
uh aunt may died things with mj went bad but
you know I was still I was still out there doing
it. And it's just him in the spider suit in the
shower crying. Well, when he gets sucked into
that universe, too, he's like, well, you know,
so I was doing my abs and my pushups and stuff.
Pizza right in the mouth. And the pizza didn't
even go with him. I felt so sad and sucked into
another world. You want to have a snack? Jeez.
He's got that burger place. That worked out.
And Miles had to pay for it. Not really liquid
right now. We kind of move forward a little bit
to one thing that happens at least twice in this
movie. Spider -Man, I know, they swing. The first
of two times they take a bus to get somewhere.
I mean, yeah, he's right. He probably couldn't
spend that time training miles how to swing.
They needed to get the thing fixed. But a bus?
He does say you got to rest your legs. That's
true. We're also kind of in the country. So like.
Yeah, swinging all the way out there will be
hard. Yeah, swinging all the way out there is
going to be rough. Yeah, Spider -Man wouldn't
do so well in like Iowa. He needs to be in a
bigger city. That's why he's always in New York,
it appears. Iowa would be a shitty spot for Spider
-Man. Corn stalks? They're not that tall. Or
strong. No. You also need the density of buildings.
You know, growing up in San Francisco, I thought
about this. Like, there's only a very small pocket
where there are tall buildings. Like, Spider
-Man in San Francisco could only really do about
10 square blocks. It's kind of like Seattle in
that way, too. It's not that much. And that's
why Spider -Man is predominantly like Manhattan,
too. You go to some of the other boroughs and
it's not like Queens. There's not a whole lot
to swing on in Queens. Any other city? Spider
buggy. Yeah. Oh, there we go. Yeah, I did like
seeing the spider buggy later, too. Yeah. All
right. So we get to where they're going to the
place to get the the the wait. Donner. Goober.
Goober. Donner. Miles gets this USB stick from
regular Peter Parker as he's before he dies and
then breaks it. He immediately breaks it by.
He was trying to leap of faith. Oh, I did like
that scene, too, when he's trying to figure out
if he can jump off of a building. And it's that
going up the staircase, being on the edge, and
then immediately it's just going down the staircase.
And then looking up at the building again, being
like, can I do this? And then the slightly shorter
one next. So like, oh, that one's so much better.
It's two stories shorter. He lives. Great little
call out and love letter to the original Tobey
Maguire Spider -Man initial web swing. Yes. Straight
in. okay so they're getting the uh the thing
fixed the donger see that's a problem now that's
stuck in my head i don't know it's gonna be the
donger for the rest of the episode all right
so we got they're getting the donger fixed they
go and peter says all right i'm not actually
going to teach you right now you're going to
be the lookout here's my plan to get in has a
really good plan which is immediately foiled
because after he leaves who pulls up kingpin
ready to uh check on things going on there and
that frankenstein motherfucker tombstone tombstone
who i think i do like how his initial plan involved
at the end grabbing a bagel and while we're going
through the escapes like and grabbing a bagel
that's one of my favorite lines is when they're
chasing them out he got a bagel i laughed harder
at that than i should have i'll be honest i love
that they call back to that in uh the second
movie yeah and across the spider -verse i need
to re -watch that i don't remember that part
it's part of the spot's origin yeah he's the
guy that gets hit with the bagel he's the one
who got bageled yeah he turns into the spot later
oh that's right oh i forgot about that oh man
that's that's perfect yeah that's right so he's
peter and now miles are in there because miles
is like oh my gosh kingpin's there watch out
and that's when peter and miles get everything
set up to steal it and who should walk in but
uh live live walks in and is like oh this is
fascinating you're peter parker but you're not
our peter parker and you're starting to your
items are not liking this this is bad for you
and i can't wait to watch you die and he's like
what's your name olivia octavius yep yep yep
my friends call me live Yes, which fucking I
love it, Han. Terrific, yeah. We were talking
about the cast earlier. How many of these people
either already had or were about to have MCU
credits to them? Like, if there's ten in the
cast, eight of them had it. If you got Agatha
there, I mean... It's a great group of people.
Oh, my gosh. So, hell, I mean, obviously, Cage
is going to be having his own MCU appearance.
So, yeah, so we meet Olivia Octavius. Doc Ock
is there, and... Does her best to fight off two
spider people. What did you do for weird little
medical arms? Oh, I like them. I thought they
worked for this character. My favorite callback
in this entire movie is like, it's like, what's
your name? It's like, but your friends call you
Doc Ock. It's like, no, my friends call me Liv.
My enemies call me Doc Ock. And when they raid
Aunt May's house later, Aunt May just goes, Liv.
i i wrote that one down actually too oh great
it's live it's like oh they're friends okay that's
cool i did think it was interesting her arms
are so long that they could like hold her up
and she's not actually touching the ground for
most of the time she's doc ock yeah it's like
oh okay you you just don't want to walk that
much listen would you uh actually good point
no i let them do all that for me the best doc
ox always kind of Yeah. Sit above the ground
like that. I feel like I'd be more reclined if
I were a Doc Ock. Oh, like recumbent? Yeah. Like
recumbent arms? Recumbent octa. Just fucking
chill out. Well, if they're that. That's a hedonism
bot just getting slid in. Just walking on the
little like octopus fingers. You got it. Well,
couldn't you make it into a rocking chair? They
were very. Oh, I'm sure you could do all sorts
of things. You could turn it into a sex swing
if you wanted. Yeah. Easily. sure she has you
know why the heck not so right hold on thinking
about it nice was it with kingpin what that dick
like it's the only dick i know what it looks
like in this movie you had a lot of kingpin dong
in this already so i haven't googled anybody
else's penis yet not yet ain't over yet uh so
she beat she uh defeats two of the spider -men
only for us to now meet not materials they need
to actually make the new donger so i love when
they're when they're escaping and peter is just
like well great news we don't need the monitor
i forgot about that oh and that's one thing i
did skip over he also finds out he can turn invisible
miles does right which is also pretty important
and another one of his powers which is that new
to the movie sean or is that uh that's part of
my stuff interesting i didn't know he has the
venom strike anytime is invisible oh that's that's
he's got like predator camouflage ah that's cool
yeah i like that and then yes but what did they
do to get back Back on the bus. So they take
the bus home, and Peter is taking a bit of a
nap, so that probably actually works out pretty
well for them. So that's good. And Gwen actually
introduces herself, and we get to hear Gwen's
origin story, where in her world, Peter Parker's
her good friend, who she can't save, so that
kind of becomes her version of Uncle Ben. And
in that one, she actually saves her dad, too,
which I know is not often Gwen Stacy's story,
too. So I thought that was kind of interesting,
a little twist on that one. Well, and so in Spider
-Gwen, yeah, it's her story. is like she loses
her best friend who was peter who in her universe
was the green goblin which i think is part of
uh beyond the spider verse they like go more
in depth into that. That's kind of cool. I was
wondering because when they show his body, I
thought I saw something that looked like scales
or something, but I was like, I'm just probably
seeing he was wet. And it's like, oh, no, he's
green. Yeah, very much so. All right. So then
they go back and that's when they go meet with
Aunt May, if I'm not mistaken, right? Three of
them go and Peter's like, I'm not sure I'm ready
for this. Yes, because I need a lab. I did. I
did appreciate the May's intro to their lab that
they got to work in. Oh, cool. a little shed
with my stuff in it that's uh this is a little
pretentious but uh is this like your shed yeah
and uh i also did appreciate too and i i don't
know the spider -man costumes that well but they
did have the one with the cape call back to earlier
when miles was like a cape and he's like no capes
the sorcerer supreme spider -man nice a little
loop in a doctor strange there they also have
my least favorite spider -man costume of all
time in those cases the sony spider -man video
game costumes in there with like the big white
spider and the white guy man why do people like
the advanced suit that much like i don't like
that one i think it's stupid i don't like the
dirt bike looking gloves with the like oversized
knuckle protectors yeah it doesn't do it for
me so i agree what's the best spider suit probably
the one he's got now in the mcu where he made
it himself and it's all the correct colors and
i always hated that it was like the tony stark
one classics oh yeah that's the thing is like
i love iron man obviously but i thought them
iron spidering him for most of the two movies
i was like that's not really spider -man is it
comic wise my favorite is probably the ramita
black and red which they do uh homage to in um
the second spider -man movie when he makes his
own suit at the end yeah yeah um boy yeah i really
like superior i think that's a really good suit
uh future foundation's a really good suit too
i do love the future foundation suit that one's
sick yeah yeah those are probably my favorites
Nice. Well, and we've met his suits. And who
else do we meet in this scene? One half hour
in, finally, our good friend Nicolas Cage shows
up. The other Spider -Mans. Spider -Noir. And
two other Spider -Mans. Yeah, Sean, you actually
told me this. It's Spider -Man, right? Plural
for spider. Oh, Spider -Mans. Oh, okay. And Gwen's
there, so we can't say that. They say Spider
-Man in this movie, which bugs me, because it's
his name. It's their name, not their title. So
it shouldn't be. it shouldn't change you should
just add an s to the end which they do do in
um into uh no way home when um the three spider
-mans are gonna go like fight the sinister six
tom holland when they're jumping off the statue
of liberty goes uh spider -mans go and i'm like
vindication course corrected i like that well
and in this one i did hear at least once they
did say spider people because they were trying
to be yep there's at least two females there
so it's like spider people i like that they're
inclusive um but yeah so and a cartoon pig yeah
that's true it's actually a cartoon spider who
was bitten by a radioactive pig I read about
that this morning. I was like, I thought, I thought
it came from the Simpsons to be honest. I thought
it was an homage to, yeah. It's like, where did
this come? I mean, I love John Mulaney. So the
voice was perfect, but that one came out of left
field for me. I did like that. His nose was the
same as his face. Can you float through the air?
I have a freshly baked pie. Surprise it. But
then we get the last, well, three of the last
four origin stories because we get Spider Noir,
we get Spider Pig, and we get the, I can't remember
the name. Penny Parker. Penny Parker. And yeah,
I guess it's probably as good a time as any to
bore Nicolas Cage. I mean, it's a very small
role, but very good. And you know what? Very
understated in all the right ways. I just watched
a supercut of Spider -Verse only. the scenes
that have spider -man noir in them and it comes
out to about five minutes and 40 seconds of screen
time that sounds about right i thought it would
be less yeah no he's cool i like his style such
a good job he's beating up nazis i like drinking
i like drinking egg creams and fighting nazis
the wind follows the wind smells like rain i
do love when he shows up and his like cape is
blowing and they're in a basement it's like yeah
they wind we're in a basement how is he sometimes
i burn a match just to feel something i had a
question about it though so he he's a peter parker
in this one but in the new show he's ben reilly
so what's the deal and miller have said that
this is a standalone that spider -man is a standalone
thing it has nothing to do with spider -verse
they're not connected to anything else it's just
going to be its own standalone yeah everything
i think i mean this one he is peter benjamin
parker though too i read that somewhere so okay
so they're they're it's its own thing but they
do an homage to it okay yeah well so ben reilly
for those who don't know bill is the clone of
is the clone of peter parker from the 90s who
becomes scarlet spider which i do like the scarlet
spider suit off as well that's so good that's
so 90s i love that hoodie though yeah and so
many pockets he's got like pockets on belts a
red singlet red singlet blue hoodie with a spider
on it with the sleeves torn off yep so like the
first toby mcguire suit then right when he was
wrestling the guy pretty much pretty close yeah
yeah so that's where ben reilly the name ben
reilly comes from for uh spider noir OK, that
makes more sense. Yeah, I feel better about that
now. OK, so we meet them and they all and Miles
says, I'm ready to help you guys. This will be
great. And then he fails a test with all of them.
Like pretty quick succession. Yeah. Performance
anxiety. Oh man. Puberty. It's a puberty thing.
Don't worry. I mean, at least two of them are
kind of rooting for him. So that was kind of
nice, but also I don't blame the other three.
They just met this guy and he's supposed to save
them and send them home. Okay. Yeah. You, you
couldn't, you couldn't take a punch. You couldn't
deal with this robot and a pig just beat you.
So I wouldn't trust him either. If I were them.
I mean, that pig's pretty impressive like dropping
anvils on uh people later in the movie and he's
got a lot of skills i did make one of my other
uh favorite lines from again five his five minutes
uh when they're all huddling up talking about
how they can't trust him and uh and spider noir
goes he's looking right at us while we talk about
him Just like, oops, maybe we should talk quieter.
Oh, and then he goes up on the elevator and they're
like, see, he can disappear. So we get through
that and he's he's all sad. So who does he go
to? Uncle Aaron again, except he just goes to
his apartment. And then the twist that I don't
know. I didn't see coming the first time I saw
this. Yeah. So Uncle Aaron is Prowler, who has
been a thorn in everyone's side most of the movie
now. And poor Miles just finds us out right now.
Yeah. Not great. OK, I've got one gripe with
Prowler because like that suit is cool. The like
tech is cool. The motorcycle. Oh, man. Not your
bag, huh? No, it's just like he can go super
fast. He can run, but he's just got this like
dork ass bike. Where does he keep it? He was
ready to go, too. I mean, who has a garage in
Brooklyn? Yeah, not a fucking chance. He lives
in a fucking apartment. Yeah, yeah. Well, and
that was a part of it on the roof. Can anyone
else put a bag over it? He might actually. It's
a very Batman of him. But when he is right in
front of Miles, He can't see him yet. Miles is
two floors down on the fire escape and all of
a sudden he can see his outline. He switched
like a different. Okay. So he has like a. Yeah,
he went to, like, thermal infrared, whatever.
Okay, good. Because that bothered me. I missed
the switch. So I was just like, okay. He was
literally, like, you could have smelled him,
his breath, if he had had, like, garlic. Like,
how did you miss him before? But, okay, I feel
better about that. Gripe over. So he gets away
and goes back to May's house when we get to the
wonderful, ugh, it's Liv, line. And we have,
actually, a pretty epic battle between the Sinister
Six, basically, right? Yeah. I do love this scene
when we cut back to May's house and we see Spider
Noir like on the couch with the Rubik's Cube
and he's just guessing at the colors. Purple?
No. And then at the end of the movie he takes
the Rubik's Cube and he's like, I don't know
what it is, but I'm going to figure it out. Take
this with me. So good. Yeah, the Rubik's Cube
is a great bit. How did you not lose it during
the fight? So I love like any Sinister Six is
a great combination of Sinister Six for me. My
favorites always only include five members, but
there's still the Sinister Six. There's auditions
for that six part. It's fine. But I really like
this Scorpion. I'm not like I don't know if I
love like the mechanical leg version. I do like
what Gargan's like when his suit is just like
part of him when it's just like. molded onto
his body because because of an accident so he
can never take it off that's why he's okay um
but i like this and i like uh that he only spoke
spanish portuguese yeah and in the version i
watched they at least translated it for us so
that was kind of like oh that's what he's saying
okay yeah he just he's gonna threaten to kill
him that makes sense um but that's also where
we get the scene where miles reveals himself
to uncle aaron and that's a bad phrasing but
it's the second time i've done that that's why
we didn't have to google that one we know what
that looked like we're actually all on We're
all in trouble now. Busted. Busted. Sorry, guys.
I lose my job. I shut down the podcast. This
is terrible. But reveals that he is the guy he's
been chasing this whole time, which eventually
gets Uncle Aaron. Well, eventually, two seconds
later, gets him killed. Yeah. So I like that
Aaron was going to let him go. Yeah. Well, and
man, Kingpin obviously knew he wasn't going to
do it pretty quick because he's sitting outside.
Do it. Yeah. He takes one step back real quick.
Yeah. Not even a warning shot and shoot him in
the butt or something that way. It's like, all
right, you're down and injured. I'm going to
yell at you. All right. That's my other gripe.
Kingpin, obviously like superhuman strength,
whatever. Badass guy. A lot of gun work. Yeah.
Well, he's a normal person. Yeah. He's not fast.
Yeah. I can't imagine he's a climber. yeah probably
muscle doesn't seem like he's very like limber
yeah probably can't like get over a short fence
very well not quickly struggles with shrubbery
knock it over but yeah you're right he's not
getting to the roof of a house pretty quickly
he's not flying i mean he's not getting in a
house very quickly yeah may didn't have the big
doors like when we see his like his fight at
the end of the movie when they're in like the
flying subway car and yeah And you just see him
like through the door frame. Yeah, it's just
his head and just his back body. And when he
eventually does go through that door, he has
to like tear his way through it. Yeah, he tears
through it. Yeah, he wasn't going to catch his
wife and son really quickly that way. They were
they were fitting through all the doors and he
was not. Do you think he has to ride in cars
with like gull wing doors? Only 100 % or convertibles,
too. He's not like you can't have a roof on.
every car is a t -top yeah he's got money he
can he can live that comfortable life yeah oh
i would love to see the kingpin just rolling
around in like a fucking trans am again google
that i'm sure that that's probably easier to
find than the other thing so yeah no they go
hand in hand yeah yeah that's true it's a real
smoky new trans am When was the last time you
were on the Internet where anything is easier
to find than a dick on the Internet? Touche.
So then Aaron passes and the dad finds Aaron's
brother, finds him and thinks it's Spider -Man
that did it. So now he's mad at the new Spider
-Man again, but still can't find his son, goes
to have a chat with him. I probably should go
back to the Spider -Man officially firing him,
though, too. Because he goes back to his apartment
and they're like, yeah, we need the donger from
you, dude. Give me your donger. You're not ready
for this. Whip out that donger. Yeah. And Jake
Johnson's Spider -Man's like, I'm sacrificing
myself. This is how it's going to be. You're
not ready yet. Sometime you will be. So kind
of an emotional moment for him. A bummer. And
then gets tied up so he can't speak. And the
dad comes to talk to him and obviously still
can't talk to him. Nice touching moment there.
Again, a good, good cop. Good kid. Good kid.
Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Again, for this podcast, it's
terrible. A good cop. Son of a. Well, this actually.
Son of a good cop. Yeah. A more emotional fellow
myself. So when he's talking to his son and I
got a little verklempt and that's when I noticed
that it's not NYPD. over in this world because
i was like okay don't oh oh that's a nice little
like okay so we can say that pdny has a good
cop yeah not nypd though different universe i
do like all the weird little universe like changes
um i don't know if you like are paying attention
to like the times square ads yep there's a lot
of like what uh like what's the uh john mulaney
um nick kroll show like uh oh hello or whatever
oh yeah i forgot about that show there was like
a version of that uh on the never even heard
of that well and you know steph curry shows up
in an ad over there there's um uh seth rogan
was in a couple of ads in the background one
of the other lines is uh the phone company is
c mobile not t yeah so yeah there was a little
little digs here and there like ah okay kind
of which turns out to be pretty important on
the second one too yeah they had a show called
like in They have a show called Oh, Hello. And
I think on Times Square in the background, it's
the same poster, but I think it's called like,
oh, hey, there or something. It's like Teen Titans
go to the movies all over again. Oh, heck yeah.
I need to watch that. Coca -Cola with a K. Yes.
So then we're almost to the end, actually. Yeah,
we're getting there. Yeah, we're getting there.
gala event and then straight to the collider
well and it gets to the part that always any
of these superhero movies where they have that
montage where they're like figuring it out and
there's that really awesome song in the background
you're like okay yeah okay i'm ready to run through
a wall too like the good yeah good on them that's
why i like these movies these are perfect for
that sort of thing yeah what up danger is a fucking
banger track for this also oh yeah i listened
to the song without the the visuals today james
i was like oh okay yeah this should be on my
running running list right now this is this is
really good and the lyrics were great i do love
how the spider man spider mans get into uh the
gala because they're like how are we gonna sneak
in and then they look down and all of the wait
staff are wearing spider man masks because and
nick cage goes it's in poor taste but can't be
that easy cut to all of them just with bow ties
walking through the gala It is that easy. That
was one of the lines I wrote down. Except Penny
in the table. No, that was flipping perfect.
And yeah, look at those pigs down there. I'm
right here. But yeah, and then we get to the
final battle where they're down. Now, I kind
of miss this. That building is directly on top
of where the collider is, right? Yeah, yeah.
Okay, for some reason when it blew up, it looked
like it was further away for some reason. So
they lost an entire building that day in that
world because damn. I do want to say because
we're about to get to the like, this is right
when we do the reveal of Miles's costume and
Miles like finally like takes that leap of faith.
We get that awesome like original trailer scene
where he's like jumps off the building and like
he's falling towards the ground. the camera makes
it look like he's like floating up amazing but
i love this version of that costume where he
just takes a spider -man costume and spray paints
it black and the spider itself is like spray
painted my only critique is like that thing would
smell so bad yes oh yeah yeah it would be terrible
probably would have smelled them right away it
would be flaking off all over the place like
he would turn invisible and you could just find
him by the trail of like paint And you will know
us by our trail of paint. In the Miles Morales
video game and in Sony Spider -Man 2 video game,
as soon as I unlock that costume, it's the only
thing I'll wear. I don't blame you. One of my
other favorite lines from not Nick Cage in this
was when he shows up at the thing and Lily Tomlin's
sitting there, Aunt May's sitting there, and
just like, took you long enough. It's like, thank
you. That sets up this next scene very nicely.
Yeah, she got it. All right. So, yeah, now it's
fight time. Collider is on. Everything's going
real wrong. Real bad, real fast. And Miles shows
up to help turn the ship around a little bit
there with his invisibility and punching Doc
Ock a little bit. Yeah. I thought that was a
good way to enter and everyone excited. And then,
yeah, Kingpin turning it up, obviously. It was
like, all right, I think I can see my wife and
child, but let's really go. And obviously it's
not working really well. Yeah. this final fight
is animated is just so fucking cool and trippy
and uh i mean it blows me away every time i i
can just watch that scene over and over it was
like phantom trucks flying all over the place
buildings are blowing out and they collapsing
on themselves the insane amount of color yes
oh i do love how like they point out like well
this is bad but it looks really cool yeah Well,
that was one of my favorite parts when the three
spiders are, oh, here we go. This is going to
take a while. Doc Ock's approaching them. Boom,
truck. Yeah. Peter's reaction. It was a visual,
but like the little hand over the mouth like,
oh, well, never mind. That was good. Yeah, it's
your classic shark eaten by bigger shark. Yeah.
Moment. Yes. It's like, I can't. was that the
end of her i don't know i guess i'll find out
if i wouldn't watch the second one um and then
he's able to send the spiders home so that's
good and uh even even though jake johnson spider
-man's like i can do this i want to do this it's
like you're just afraid to go back to talk to
your mj yeah get out of here i got this because
what what was the line it's like i don't want
to see a spider -man die i don't either yeah
i thought that was good yeah And then Kingpin
versus Miles. That's the thing I was a little
surprised about because Kingpin hits Miles pretty
hard too. He got up. So I don't know if it's
just... Miles didn't have internal bleeding already
because when he kills Peter, it's like Peter
is on the brink of death at that point. Yeah.
So he just did the final blow. Yeah. Yeah, no.
And that's another good, good cop situation,
too, because at this point, I think I think the
dad's still a little like, I think I can trust
Spider -Man. And then it's like, oh, OK, I'm
rooting for him. I was wrong. And it's like,
thank you. Yeah. Yeah, that was cool. And I like
that the finishing move that he does on Kingpin
is from Uncle Aaron. The shoulder touch. I love
when they throw the hay up behind him. Yeah,
that was cool. It's cool. It's a good way to
finish it. Kingpin's gigantic ass body hits the
button. Yeah. Which is also what he calls sex.
He got there. He brought the button back. I love
it. Oh, that's good. And then, yeah, the classic
Spider -Man stringing up the bad guy for the
cops to take. I thought that was good. The I
love you at the end obviously brings that all
together. I was. That was cool. And then I don't
understand fully, but like the way that they
can talk to each other still through the portals,
I probably should understand a little bit better.
But, you know, Gwen was able to reach out to
him pretty easily. So I was I was happy, obviously,
but it was like, oh, I didn't know it was going
to be quite that simple for them. That they bring
back from the next movie. OK, yeah, that's the
next one. And the fucking fancy wrist thing.
Oh, that's right. So it allows them to travel
through. So she's able to open up that portal
and be like, hey. put her hand on his shoulder
yeah it's perfect but uh no to just to wrap it
up just uh like you guys all said i'm gonna be
boring too it's a perfect movie yeah it's so
good in so many levels and i feel a little bad
because poor nick cage hasn't gotten talked about
much but the way spider -man noir works that's
exactly what he would want that's true moving
dark and silence yeah i mean talking about his
performance it is great and it does stand out
like the my favorite story from the production
of this is one of the interviews where it's like
yeah like on nicholas cage is like first day
he did a couple line reads and kept getting notes
and after like the third note he's like oh you
just want me to go full cage oh so even he says
full cage i love that he knows five million dollars
a movie you may as well know how you're gonna
get that do we know did he get five million for
this one too i don't know i didn't even look
up the budget for this one this time i think
it was like three three dollars three dollars
yeah they nailed it with that budget they really
stretched it out they got their most for it yeah
well i mean we kind of gave sean the sean in
60 seconds thing i we were dorothy and i were
sitting there watching i was like did lake bell
did she even come for an hour for this movie
like she did three lines as the wife i 10 minutes
in and out and she probably got paid for a full
hour i at least for a full hour good golly that's
not easy the visuals of this whole i mean that's
what this movie really kind of originally sold
itself on and happened to also just be the best
one of the best spider -man movies ever um and
it's just it's so visually stunning i remember
at one point sony was talking about trying to
like trademark or trademark or copyright like
the visual style of the film i don't think that
played yeah i don't think you can do that but
But I remember them wanting to do that. And just
the producers, Lord and Miller, like the shit
they're doing with cinema at this point, like
just visually creative stuff. I just saw Project
Hail Mary, so I want to talk about Rocky. Oh
yeah, that was another really good movie. Very,
very good movie. Also Lord and Miller produced,
and I think they directed that one. uh yeah they
also did the lego movie so like just oh it's
kind of tied in that movie is pretty good too
yeah they're tied in for like really great subversive
visual storytelling well something different
i mean that's what people always are commenting
on with movies it's like something just a little
bit different and that will still be amazing
i want more of this story this could have stood
by itself totally this could have been a one
and done and not have to do anything else but
i want more miles ross i want more of these characters
I want more of the Nicolas Cage. I'm really looking
forward to the live action. I watched the trailers
for it last night just to kind of remind myself.
It's going to be good. I honestly don't know
if I want to watch it in color or black and white.
I'm all black and white. Yeah, for sure. I'm
sure at some point I'll watch it in true color.
I'm going to watch each episode twice. I'm going
to watch black and white and color because I
want to be able to talk about both for the podcast.
But I'm most excited for black and white. Me
too. Yeah, it's so visually beautiful. I think
the one thing that I wanted to say about this
movie that I think stood out most to me as a
real success is that Peter Parker's a fucking
teenager, right? You follow him along, he gets
a little bit older, but he's a kid. Usually,
Spider -Man is like a kid, and Morales is a perfect
representation of that because instead of having
a fucking 27 -year -old Tobey Maguire playing
a high schooler, you've got... an animation you
know I mean he looks like a kid he acts like
a kid he's awkward as fuck with a girl you know
it's like it hits really well in a way that I
think the other ones don't because you have to
sort of suspend disbelief that like Andrew Garfield
is like an awkward teenager oh eat shit Tom Holland
said he was 16 I was like no well at the time
Andrew Garfield was also older than toby mcguire
was in his first spider -man movie right wow
i didn't know that not every peter parker is
also like the original like iteration of him
wasn't like uh a bumbling nerd either so yeah
different versions yeah but yeah i mean for some
reason that always resonated with me that he's
like a younger one he's not like a god or you
know whatever an old you know billionaire who
can build robot suits like the original portrayal
of peter parker he was like he was he was kind
of a dick yeah that's right he was a little snarky
and he was just a dick he got beat up by flash
and he was like you know i'll teach you one of
these days i'll beat you like he was not like
the funny charming talk his way out of it that
we think of him now no he definitely had a chip
on his shoulder yeah and i did like that that
they were able to with all all all the spider
people all had their little, like, quips and
stuff along the way, which was nice for the character.
And it's interesting, I didn't realize that he
was kind of, maybe not a bully, but kind of a
bully wannabe if he's, like, getting his butt
whooped and then he's like, all right, oh, look,
I have these powers. Take that, Flash. Like,
I think of him as more of that lovable one -liner
guy, right? You have a metal -armed dude, like,
you know, in the middle of a fight, you're bringing
that up. I was just looking at what other animated
films came out in 2018 and kind of like that.
uh divergence of style and like how vastly different
it was than everything else because this was
like the time of like Wreck -It Ralph and Smallfoot
and a bunch of that style Incredibles 2 was another
one so there wasn't a lot uh even like getting
close to this sort of thing it was an art piece
yes yeah yeah it definitely changed the animation
game but the closest thing to now be the demon
pop hunters are they k -pop demon hunters similar
they kind of run in i mean it's a similar art
studio or the same art studio or like a branch
of it yeah okay so i think that they they definitely
understood the value of what they created and
you know trying to recreate that is not going
to be perfect yeah i think that that movie has
some of the style and then mutant mayhem the
oh yeah turtles movie not the same style but
you can see that like it definitely uh yeah yeah
yeah it's that appreciation of comic book art
you know like in the style and that it all you
can you can put this into a new medium and still
have that that feeling which is i think really
impressive watching this film again thinking
about the second one i just i love how versatile
they've made this character and how much they've
done with this character over so many years and
i just wanted to like discuss weird obscure spider
-mans um my favorite from the peak 90s spider
-man does anyone remember spider hulk no holy
smokes it was a mini series where like spider
-man got in a fight with the hulk uh and like
gained hulk power so it's just it's just the
hulk web swinging like in a tore -up spider -man
costume It was terrible, but visually it was
just spectacular. Well, we might get that next
year with the new Tom Holland one. So maybe do
you. This is far more current, but like a rec
rap or whatever from like a year or two ago.
Yeah, that was weird. I had no idea. But yeah,
there was some weird shit happening. Yeah, it
was a weird one. You can slap the Spider -Man
logo on something, it's going to move. I mean,
I know it's from the next movie, but I really,
really like Spider -Punk. Oh my gosh. I hope
he's so fucking cool. I hope he's hella cool.
I was so pumped I wasn't in this one. There was
an era, this is when I kind of fell off comics
because I was going to art school and I just
didn't have the money for it. When they were
doing the weekly Spider -Man series. it was after
brand new day um but when they kind of like rewrote
like spider -man's backstory and realized that
like oh peter's like just as smart as tony stark
they're like why doesn't peter start a company
why doesn't peter have like actual stock tech
level technology enterprises and stuff yeah and
i'm talking i that's probably one of my favorite
spider -man suits the kind of update to the iron
spider where it looks like the red and blue but
it is like more sleek and it has the glowing
like big spider on the chest that's cool nice
okay that's it alex ross designed oh alex ross
dude that guy is just fucking crazy i think nick
you and i've talked about like his pitches for
like updated x -men suits and they're so good
oh yeah i don't think they were ever used like
no they weren't but i fucking love that cyclops
that he did well it makes him look like uh more
of the leader that he actually is like i i went
off the movies and i was like oh he's kind of
whiny and stuff that's kind of weird and then
i've had people who know marvel better than me
say yeah that's not the best representation he's
literally the leader of the x -men yeah yeah
he's just a tactician like super yeah um my favorite
cyclops thing is just like he doesn't have plan
a plan b because that limits you to 26 so all
of his plans are always like plan three or something
like that so it's always in numerals not right
uh the alphabet i like that yeah hold on scott
all right any final thoughts on this one i feel
like we've we've covered it pretty well but Yeah,
we gave Cyclops just about as much time as we
gave Nicolas Cage today. Oh, yeah, Bill, did
you have a quote that you wanted to do? I think
I've done all my quotes except for one, and it
was during the final battle. Nicolas Cage, I
can't remember which one he was fighting, but
he said, you hard -boiled turtle slapper. Laughed
out loud, looked it up. It's like, because, I
mean, they even said in the thing I found, it
kind of went for the Humphrey Bogart thing, and
so he grabbed some lines from, like, the 30s,
and I'm like, dude. So good. That's fantastic.
I think it's also in that same scene. It's right
before that where he's just like, we don't pick
the ballroom. What is it? We don't pick the ballroom.
We just dance. Yeah. That's the thing. Like you
said, Sean, he was in it for five minutes and
40 seconds. He's still in a lot of ways. He's
an impactful character. It's a really, really
cool role for him. You know, if it is short.
Of all the Spider -Mans, that is not Peter B.
Parker. yes it's nicholas cage's spider noir
and then maybe the next most memorable or talking
about one spider ham yeah i think penny's the
most forgettable oh i like penny but yeah i agree
of that group still yeah yeah and gwen's gwen
she's a favorite people love gwen um hard not
to yeah killer costume cool story yeah yeah badass
the dancing shoes too i thought that was a nice
little spider gwen stacy spider uh spider woman
has in my opinion the best venom suit oh yeah
that one is really cool yeah so if you haven't
seen it it's the black and white but because
uh she has the hood the hood is the mouth the
serrated teeth around it that's pretty badass
And like inner heads in it. It's so good. That's
wonderful. I think throughout this podcast, we've
actually just delivered all of Nick Cage's lines
for the whole film. We probably did, actually.
All right. Well, shit. That's it. So this one
is going to come out. And then after that, we're
going right into Spider Noir. So this is kind
of a perfect parlay into that. And we're going
to do a weekly set of episodes for that. It's
going to be two of the show episodes at a time.
Sean will have watched in color and black and
white so we can get some feedback on the stylistic
aspects of that choice. And I'm looking forward
to that. It'll be a little interesting. To figure
out how we're going to talk about it in a spoilery,
not spoilery way. Probably spoilery. I think
it's spoilers. Spoilery. Just go watch the show
and then listen to us talk about the show. Yeah.
Yeah. Sorry for everybody who watches one episode
a week. Yeah. Pussies. If you don't want it spoiled
for you, you got to go get on MGM plus or whatever
and watch it two days before us. There you go.
That's the only way. All right. Thank you to
our sparkle buddies, Josh, Josie, Matt, Adam,
Bill. Hello. Stuart and Willow and our cage dancers,
John Freeman, Nathan and Cameron. Really appreciate
the support. If anyone wants to, you can support
us on Patreon. We're on some of the social medias,
but we're pretty lazy. And we are going to be
doing a showing of Con Air in Seattle on June
27th. So come watch that movie with us. It's
going to be. Great. At the Beacon Theater. At
the Beacon Theater. Good old Beacon. And also
thank you to Bill Panks for our intro music.
And that's that. Bye. I'm Sean. Bye -bye. Bye
-bye.