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Oh, God. Let me bring up my ever so important

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notes about this movie. Oh, good. Somebody took

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them. Directed by Stephen Miller. A very great

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name. Yeah. Timely. Yeah, right. Timeless. Timeless.

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One of the greats. This is Steven with a V, though,

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so I think he's like the good kind of Steven.

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Steven? I feel this way about the Phillips that

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spelled their name with two L's. It's like they're

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kind of aberrations. Yeah, so they're usually

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like, I'm just imagining them over there twirling

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their mustaches and whatnot. I mean, I have a

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disdain for any Sean who spells their name phonetically.

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Are you talking like with a W? Yeah. With an

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A? What the fuck is that? I embrace... Doesn't

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your name have an A in it, though? Yeah, but

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in the wrong... Wait, it's in the third spot.

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Fuck! Are you one of those Sean's who spells

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his name C -H -O -N? Sean. Hi, Sean. I knew it.

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I knew there was something you were keeping from

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me. That is a power move. You're right. I embrace

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all Nicks. All Nicks are good in my book. Every

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Nick is a good Nick. Yeah. Three I's. There's

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never been a Nick I haven't liked. N -I -Q -U

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-E is a valid way to spell Nick. Yep, that's

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fair. That's repulsive. Get out of here. If that's

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how you like it, that's how I like you. What's

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the name of this movie again? Arsenal. Has anyone

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figured out why it's called Arsenal? Because

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I sure couldn't tell you. No, there's no reason

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it should be called Arsenal. This is kind of

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like there was a movie that we watched with a

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guy. Guy Ritchie. Guy Ritchie. Guy Pierce. No,

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it was Guy Pierce. Guy Ritchie directs. Guy Pierce

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is an actor. Because we had the conversation

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where I thought Guy Ritchie was Guy Pierce. And

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I did, too. And still do, apparently. And that

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movie, like, it should have been called The Hungry

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Rabbit Jumps or whatever. Oh, yeah. And for whatever

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reason, it was called, like, Trespass or some

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shit. Like, I can't remember what it was. Like,

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Killing Zone or some bullshit name. Like, what

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the fuck was it? It's one of the things that

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makes me wonder if they wrote the script in a

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completely different language, like non -English.

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And then in translation, it got switched over.

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Or was it just a bizarre choice that somebody

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made? This has the stink of like AI writing on

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it, even though it can be. Oh yeah, definitely

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pre. But it just has that kind of just, there's

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no real structure. There's just archetypes of

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characters. it's just like now it's time for

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this beat in the story with no actual like build

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to it i think my favorite example of that yeah

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we'll talk about it later but there's so much

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just a character does exposition and sets up

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the rest of the plot for the other characters

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and you're like here i'm solving this problem

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for you i will say off the top my favorite example

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of all right it's time for the next beat is oh

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yeah this movie ends now Speaking of things that

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should have ended a long time ago, welcome back

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to Cage Magical and a roundabout way of meeting

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Nicolas Cage. I'm your host, Sean, here with...

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One of many Nicks. Any spelling counts. Yeah,

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all Nicks. And our producer. Peter, hello. And

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our special guest, my brother. I'm Peter's brother,

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Philip, spelled with one L, very important. I

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will hold a grudge if you spell your name with

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two L's. Philip. How do you spell Peter, Peter?

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Three T's. Yeah. That's it, actually. No other

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letters. So one L, wouldn't that actually just

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be like Philippe? I don't know. I think the two

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L's really gives you that Phil -lip sound. It's

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true. Which I like. I remember when we were at

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the first restaurant we worked at, my joke nickname

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was Full Lips, and Peter will know why that's

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funny. Because they're thin as fuck. True. And

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so this week on Cage Match, we are discussing

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Arsenal with Nicolas Cage and John Cusack, who

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we get to see them again, but not together this

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time. They exist in different places. Third movie

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together, but they don't do anything together

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ever. What was the second movie together? Well,

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so obviously there's Con Air, and then there

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was... Oh, that's right. Frozen Ground. Frozen

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Ground, yeah, right. I was thinking Looking Glass

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for some reason. Yeah, Frozen Ground, where he

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plays a real fucking creepo. I don't know why

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it completely spaced on Con Air there. Because

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I was thinking Frozen Ground, but that's probably

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because their faces have swollen to unrecognizable

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growth. I'm just glad John Cusack didn't have

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white guy dreads. oh yeah that would be pretty

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cool though i don't know when he shows up in

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that first scene with the do -rag just in the

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car and i'm like i i honestly hope that two minute

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conversation was going to be all we saw of john

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cusack for the whole movie and that was just

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him there so they could put his name on the poster

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i was pretty happy with what he was doing for

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most of the movie Where he's just sitting back

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and doing fuck all and just being John Cusack,

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collecting that paycheck. And then he got into

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the action. I was I was annoyed. I didn't want

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that. I wanted him sitting on the porch. I wanted

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him riding up in the car. I wanted him just kind

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of sitting around. My favorite part of John Cusack

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in this movie is his real inconsistent five o

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'clock shadow from scene to scene, including

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scenes that take place within a three minute

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span. Like when when they. When they go to dude's

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brother's house, he has a much darker mustache

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than he did in the scene before it. Sure. Yeah.

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So here, let's run the characters down real quick.

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So we've got Adrian Grenier as JP and his big

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brother is Jonathan Shaq, who I have literally

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never seen in any movie ever. That's Mikey. And

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then Nick Cage as Eddie King reprising his role

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from Deadfall. Kinda. uh did he die in deadfall

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yeah he got friolated man yeah uh john cusick

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is sal uh who's like a narco kind of fucking

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cop yeah some kind of detective and then my favorite

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guest star christopher coppola nick cage's brother

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as eddie king's brother buddy amazing performance

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so fucking terrible uh also director of uh deadfall

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right i I think it was Deadfall. Did he direct

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Deadfall? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that makes

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more sense. Now, is this the first movie that

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the brothers have shown up in together or have

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acted in together? He's he did. He bought he

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body doubled for Nick Cage in adaptation. Damn,

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that's a deep cut. When the when the twins had

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scenes together, he would like body double for

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Cage. Yeah, nice. We need to stand kind of three

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quarters into this shot. yeah but don't look

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we need some of that coppola butt i will say

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i do love how they got nick cage's brother to

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be in this to play his brother in the movie and

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the way you know their brothers is because they

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both have the worst fake facial hair you've ever

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fucking seen yeah that mustache that they put

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on chris is just so bad it's so bad the goatee

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that's about like a centimeter to the left where

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it should be i was saying while we're talking

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weird face stuff uh Is there an in -universe

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reason for why Eddie King needs such an intense

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nose prosthesis? I was trying to figure that

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one out. I don't know if this comes from the

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previous movie that he was in or what. Yep. So

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I have a running theory that Nicolas Cage, whenever

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he does a role as a favor, he, in his writer,

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puts in big fake nose. Because he's done it a

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few times. And it's always one of these things

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where he's like, in the like you can tell he's

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doing this as a favor to someone so i don't know

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if he just gets off on it or if it helps him

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like get into character but it's a thing he does

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yeah i think it's telling that saturn wasn't

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one of the uh producers i know one of the five

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producers even he kept his name kind of out of

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it for for people who listen to the deadfall

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episode you already know this but in that movie

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He plays Eddie King, who's this like unhinged

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kind of criminal agent and chaos agent who's

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like all obsessed with this deck of cards he

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has. That's all jokers. He has a wig and a fake

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mustache and a fake nose. And at the end of it,

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he gets a great spray tan. And at the end of

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it, he gets friolated. He gets put into a fryer

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and is dead. But then this movie happens after

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that, like at least theoretically. Yeah, I mean.

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It's possible he survived friolation and then

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needed more fake noses and just got bigger, deeper.

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We really fucked up the RPG episode without having

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like a multiversal Eddie King. Holy fuck. There's

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no saying you can't do another RPG episode, right?

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That's true. It's going to be Eddie King's all

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the way down. We all play. We all play Eddie

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King. Yeah. Which version of Eddie King are you?

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Eddie King is a virus that's slowly taking over

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every individual human on the planet. I mean,

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Bobby Peru is kind of a virus, too. So it all

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works. This is kind of like Nick Cage's Bobby

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Peru. Sort of. Philip, you get the the wonderful

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job of summarizing this movie for our dear listeners.

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So take it away. The most dubious honors. I appreciate

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that, brother. speaking of brothers um i don't

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know if you guys know but this is a movie about

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brothers uh so you can say it's about it's about

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brother love it's about brother love it's a little

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bit about brother hate too as we as we will see

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but uh yeah it's mostly about brother love and

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uh it's about some new orleans brothers crime

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brothers and then some mississippi brothers some

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good old boys so we've got these two mississippi

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brothers who like a good old -fashioned arcade

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and they like playing baseball these american

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pastimes and they also incidentally like slapping

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the shit out of each other while calling one

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another the r word that was that was fun it was

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definitely placing us in the the early 2000s

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i was like hmm yeah that's quality writing you

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know you know you've got a good writer when when

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they're dropping the hard r So it's also a movie

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about brothers who fight. And it's mostly also

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about two Coppola brothers who really like eating

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pecans. So that's kind of where we're starting.

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So to kick it off, the movie brothers are little

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brother J .P. Lindell and big brother Mikey Lindell.

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I just was assuming that they were part of the

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Lindell pillow empire. Yeah, the MyPillow empire.

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It's unconfirmed in the movie. Maybe distant

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relatives. They look like they vote Trump, you

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know. They do. They do. Yeah. So in an unnecessarily

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long flashback, we see the boys living life together

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in the late 90s. They're going to the arcade.

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They're using their quarters. Very importantly,

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it's established that little brother JP never

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gets quarters from big brother Mikey. He's very

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stingy. He'll never give his little brother quarters,

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except when, sadly, tragedy strikes. The uncle,

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who's kind of the guardian for the boys, he shoots

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himself. And so Mikey gets on the scene. The

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big brother sees everything, protecting his little

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brother from that. vision that gory vision he

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uh gives him quarters finally and sends him back

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to the arcade to play and this is like their

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origin story very deep and i just wanted to bring

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this up because i think uh quarter this movie

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is the quarter motif and money as a metaphor

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for something and i'm not really sure what i

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think the movie doesn't really know what it's

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a metaphor for yeah so he he goes to the arcade

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and then mikey shows up to the arcade too And

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in the back of the arcade is just like a murder

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hole. Like what? I completely forgot how this

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all linked together. When I was writing up these

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notes, I was going, wait, how the hell did Mikey

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get to the arcade now, too? I thought he was

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dealing with the dead uncle and everything. But

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yeah, they keep setting up the back of the arcade

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with these plastic sheets and using it to murder

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people. So they don't lay the plastic sheets

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out in any way that keep blood off of anything.

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There's a cool sheet maze. Yeah, it's just a

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sheet maze, which looks very fun. I had a weird

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thing. I meant to go back and rewatch this, but

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got distracted by life. But in that opening,

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when Mikey's going through the arcade, I like

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look down to like make a note on my phone. I

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looked up, then it looked like he was in a strip

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club. I'm like, what? And then he was in the

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sheet and then the plastic sheet maze. Did I

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like blink and like miss something? I think it's

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a classic Biloxi arcade strip club murder sheet

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maze. Also, they got their money's worth on that

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sheet maze set because they use that same set

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a lot. I think Eddie King just really appreciates

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a good sheet maze. Yeah. These are now two things

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that I know about Biloxi, that they're known

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for joint strip club arcades and also shucking

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oysters. Hell yeah. Go shuckers. Shuck, shuck,

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shuck, shuck. I don't know if anyone has seen

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the. Japanese and or Chinese poster for this

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movie, but it's fucking badass. I don't know

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if I saw that one. No, looking up the foreign

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posters for films hasn't been a priority yet,

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but it will be now. Yeah, I know this like this.

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The poster, this poster looks so much better

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and makes this movie look so much more interesting.

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Are you looking at the one with featuring Nick

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Cage holding a gun and there's flames all over

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the place? Yeah. yeah that does look way better

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and adrian grenade the actual star of the movie

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is just like a tiny little icon in the corner

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i mean let's be honest yeah it's where he belongs

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yeah i just realized this whole movie technically

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is a flashback because the first scene you know

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you're in for a good time before the uh before

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the title card where you just have the main character

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standing in a shipyard cocking a gun title flashback

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to children 20 some years later and then an hour

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later we're back to standing in a shipyard cocking

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a gun 23 year jump is a pretty substantial time

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jump for a movie like a lot of shit has happened

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obviously but it it doesn't help you give a shit

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about either of these characters no no there's

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a whole thing where you like start on the action

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start at the most interesting part and This movie

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feels like it's everything but the most interesting

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part of this movie. There was a scene in here

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that really pissed me off for some reason. And

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I don't know why it's just like stuck in my craw.

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And it's JP comes home to his wife and they have

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like a new kid or something like that. And she's

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in the tub and. He's just like, we're going to

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like, fuck. And this is awesome. And he climbs

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into the tub fully dressed. Yeah. He's wearing

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his jeans. Like he's fucking RFK Jr. It's like,

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bitch, you are in your own home. Just take your

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clothes off and climb in. this this also happens

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in man the second superman movie uh the second

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zack snyder superman movie batman v superman

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there's a whole scene where like clark can't

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fully dress gets in the bathtub and i'm just

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like was this a thing in the late 2010s like

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in movies i just can't imagine all that what

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i wonder if jp's wife had to cut him out of those

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jeans after the fact you know they're gonna you're

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gonna swell you're gonna get stuck in those things

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yeah it's a disaster What if they had to take

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that shot multiple times? They didn't have multiple

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gene budget. I mean, they had the slow -mo budget,

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so... It was really embarrassing when he ripped

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ass during that scene, too. They just had to

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keep it. It was the only take. This movie's the

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first time we've ever gotten Chekhov's flashbang

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in a movie. Mm -hmm. Well, he tried to sell it

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at the pawn shop. Right. and the guy was like

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what the fuck is this he's like it's a flashbang

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it's like what am i gonna do with a flashbang

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yeah well there's a scene later in uh the house

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and yeah it goes off and you wouldn't know it

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unless you've been paying attention to this movie

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which i did which is one more than i've got for

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it i was in and out i'm gonna be honest with

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you i'm just gonna say at top i kind of loved

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this film for how just bad it was like just no

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no two scenes look like they belong in the same

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film no like there's no real character development

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you're just told to care about people you don't

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uh jp's whole motivation is he's my brother and

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then you just kind of have this like very dull

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run -of -the -mill suspense thriller and then

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jp's niece gets backhanded by her boyfriend as

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she's opening the front door to leave his place.

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And JP first time, this has happened to the whole

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movie. Slow -mo just kind of like comes through

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the door and just boots, dude. I thought Plex

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was fucking up because of the slow -mo. Cause

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I'm like, at no point did they do that before?

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And then it comes in later, uh, two more times

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where they just cut to like artful slow -mo.

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For no reason. Artful is doing a lot of heavy

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lifting in that statement. We'll talk about the

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other slow -mos later because those are worth

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talking about. But apparently this director is

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known for his high -octane action scenes, I think

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is what IMDb says. They called him high -octane?

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High -octane. Jesus. Not even close. No. One

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of the shots I did like was the toilet cam. Sorry,

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I know. I always love a toilet cam. Fucking set

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it up. god damn it i like that shot though like

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it was kind of horrifying but you know watching

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that guy get drowned yeah i like the idea of

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the toilet cam a lot so for context no context

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no context mikey's uh like is giving a guy a

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swirly and every time he like sticks his head

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to drown him in the uh In the toilet, it cuts

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to a very bright lit shot from inside the toilet.

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So the lighting's all fucked up and it completely

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ruins it for me. You don't have a ring cam in

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your toilet? Yeah, lighting's important when

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you've got a toilet cam. This is how you have

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to evaluate your stools. Yeah, stools. PSA time.

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Yeah, you should look in your own shit to see

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what's going on. Oh, man. staring at a barrel

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of a gun just slow motion watching it go off

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can you imagine a slow motion toilet cam shot

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are we talking about this movie or are we talking

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about your toilet again oh it can be both Yeah,

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so, all right, what did we do? We did the flashback,

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and we come back to modern day, and it's all

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the establishing the relationship between Mikey

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and JP. JP's very successful. He's got his own

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business, a $350 ,000 business, by the way, just

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in case you were wondering. But he has the wife,

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the newborn, the big house. And meanwhile, Mikey,

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I think, I can't remember if Mikey had moved

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out for a while and then came back to Biloxi.

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I think he was military. yeah he was military

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okay he was in the marines or something and we

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know that he was he had been working for eddie

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king before uh but we'll get into that later

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but so he got out of that situation he went to

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the military came back um and so yeah that's

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kind of the situation with those two different

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different uh i mean great character work you

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have the perfect guy and the guy who's a fuck

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up uh i mean no notes uh so yeah mikey's making

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it struggle uh struggling to make Try that again.

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Mikey is struggling to make ends meet and pay

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child support to his ex for his teen daughter,

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Alexis. And, you know, he's refusing work at

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JP's office company and all that business. So

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the plot kind of kicks off when John Cusack's

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character, Sal, who I. generally did not realize

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was a cop until about halfway through the movie

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uh he's they had to put a badge on him because

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it was so unclear what his what his job was and

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what the fuck he was as a character you don't

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even establish his relationship to them as this

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movie is all exposition like everything kind

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of just goes along and then later they're like

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wait we need to explain that because uh mikey's

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in trouble because he buys some coke which is

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where sal shows up to tell jp and then like 15

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minutes later they have to explain that he got

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the money from the coke from jp because it was

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a loan to help him like get on his feet but he

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wanted to double his money and just they have

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to exposit everything after the fact because

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the plot makes no sense yeah it's like ostensibly

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to buy his daughter some braces which then made

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me only think of the simpsons dental plan you

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know it's also interesting that they they never

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seem to want to let the viewers hate mikey for

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too long it's sort of like oh we can't he's a

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bad dude but we can't really make him a bad dude

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we got to make him redeeming and so you can only

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be disappointed in him for about five to ten

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minutes like thinking you know well we'll get

00:22:16.009 --> 00:22:17.589
to later when he's meeting with eddie king but

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thinking that he's actually working with eddie

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king and then another you know exposition dump

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where it's like oh actually he's not he's been

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kidnapped after a massive run around with between

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John Cusack and uh and JP between Sal and JP

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they're going around and talking to well i'm

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sorry no no that's good that is one of my favorite

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lines in this movie is they asked the guy that

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like broke into the house about some somebody

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else and they're like yeah i know that ginger

00:22:44.059 --> 00:22:48.420
bitch yeah what's the guy's name too is it it's

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like rusty or is it rusty i was i think it was

00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:58.130
rusty classic ginger nickname so also when we

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see rusty the one thing i did not notice about

00:23:00.809 --> 00:23:03.130
him was the color of his hair he's ginger right

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he didn't look like a ginger to me when he was

00:23:05.930 --> 00:23:07.910
robbing him he looked like he had like dark brown

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hair they needed that toilet cam light maybe

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he got recast after they filmed that shot of

00:23:13.490 --> 00:23:18.150
him like saying oh that ginger bitch oh god wait

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we gotta back up a second are you saying that

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brothers there's a good one and a bad one philip

00:23:22.250 --> 00:23:26.859
always yeah i don't i thought you knew this fuck

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i mean you and i you and i are here so we can

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just throw it onto the third brother and be like

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it's it's him it's clearly not either one of

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us and then when i'm with him i say the same

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thing about you it's the constant pointing at

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each other triangle i love it does anyone out

00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:42.779
this whole conversation just making me think

00:23:42.779 --> 00:23:45.819
of the rick and morty episode uh intergalactic

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tv it's like two brothers where there's two brothers

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and then they're brothers and they're in a truck

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and they're brothers and there's a meteor two

00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.220
brothers That about sums up the plot of this

00:23:56.220 --> 00:23:58.980
movie. You did a way better job summarizing this

00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:01.460
than I just did. Well, that actually, like, the

00:24:01.460 --> 00:24:03.680
inanity of that is exactly what this movie was.

00:24:03.779 --> 00:24:06.859
Like, so Mikey gets kidnapped, quote unquote.

00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:09.160
It's all bullshit. And JP calls him and it's

00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:13.700
like, hey, Mikey, it's me, JP. It's like, you're

00:24:13.700 --> 00:24:18.619
on the phone, you fucking moron. JP can't be

00:24:18.619 --> 00:24:21.960
his government name. And it annoys me that even

00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:25.039
when it's an emergency and he's running out of

00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:26.960
the house, his wife still just calls him JP.

00:24:27.460 --> 00:24:29.700
Like at no point do they say his actual name.

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His government name apparently is James. I don't

00:24:33.019 --> 00:24:37.400
know his middle name, though. P. What's oh, it's

00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.680
Mike Lindell. Never mind. Yeah. Yeah. Holy shit.

00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.640
What kind of pillows do you guys have? I got

00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:48.119
a real flat, shitty pillow. That's how I sleep.

00:24:48.299 --> 00:24:50.950
Yeah. I like to suffer a little. It's awful.

00:24:52.089 --> 00:24:55.309
I have a $300 pillow. Best purchase I ever made.

00:24:56.130 --> 00:24:58.849
Yeah. Josie's got a real expensive pillow, too.

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Every once in a while when she's not around,

00:25:00.950 --> 00:25:03.269
I'll take a nap with it. And then I like try

00:25:03.269 --> 00:25:07.190
to put it back where I found it. So let's see.

00:25:08.029 --> 00:25:11.990
We'll get into Eddie King in a little bit. I

00:25:11.990 --> 00:25:13.450
don't know why that story made me laugh, but

00:25:13.450 --> 00:25:18.250
it did. It's a really bad story. Hey, man, they

00:25:18.250 --> 00:25:21.369
can't all be bangers. That's true. OK, so we'll

00:25:21.369 --> 00:25:23.049
get into Eddie King in a little bit. But I wanted

00:25:23.049 --> 00:25:26.349
to talk about Adrian Grenier as the main character.

00:25:26.390 --> 00:25:29.170
Who is that? Dude, he fucking sucks so much.

00:25:29.250 --> 00:25:32.990
So he was like notably only from the movie or

00:25:32.990 --> 00:25:36.869
the TV series Entourage. Oh, OK. Oh, yeah. He's

00:25:36.869 --> 00:25:38.630
the main character from that. Yeah. And he's

00:25:38.630 --> 00:25:40.190
supposed to be like the hottest shit. He plays

00:25:40.190 --> 00:25:42.470
Aquaman in the series and he's like everybody

00:25:42.470 --> 00:25:44.190
wants him and he's a great actor and everything.

00:25:44.250 --> 00:25:49.500
But like clearly not true. I don't know what

00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:52.000
it is about that guy. He has nothing. There's

00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.819
like no charisma for me. He doesn't provide a

00:25:54.819 --> 00:25:56.799
lot on the screen. He's not like tough. You know,

00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:58.819
there's that scene where he don't fucking lie

00:25:58.819 --> 00:26:00.960
to me and he slaps the wall and it's like that

00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:05.079
was soft as shit. Yeah. I think they threw a

00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:07.319
baseball cap on this guy because he's got such

00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:09.420
a baby face. So it's like, oh, we got to cover.

00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:11.180
He doesn't look convincingly threatening when

00:26:11.180 --> 00:26:12.839
we're having him bust down doors and stuff. So

00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.980
just put a cap over it, cover it up. Slow -mo.

00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:19.319
Mm -hmm. I have no idea what any of these projects

00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.460
he's been involved in since this movie. Love

00:26:22.460 --> 00:26:26.079
at First Glance, Miles from Tomorrowland, Affairs

00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:30.619
of State. Nope. And so on. But yeah, I mean,

00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:32.960
it's interesting because like this is still like,

00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:35.619
Sean, you've got that pulled up. When was Entourage?

00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:38.740
Because that's like early 2000s, right? Yeah,

00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:43.500
2000, 2000, 2011. Yeah, right. So like he hasn't

00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:46.359
been relevant now at this point for six years.

00:26:47.629 --> 00:26:50.690
And is the leading man in this? It's like, I

00:26:50.690 --> 00:26:53.490
think it's showing. The Entourage movie came

00:26:53.490 --> 00:26:56.109
out in 2015. So there's like a four year gap

00:26:56.109 --> 00:27:00.269
between the show and the movie. And then two

00:27:00.269 --> 00:27:03.670
more years to this. Four year gap. Just enough

00:27:03.670 --> 00:27:07.650
time to make the people hungry for more. Hungry

00:27:07.650 --> 00:27:12.890
for that Grenier. Did they finally produce Medellin?

00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:17.599
Was that the movie? That was the movie. I haven't

00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:21.160
thought about that word in fucking years. I cannot

00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.660
believe that you pulled that. Yeah, I'm vaguely

00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:26.359
remembering. I had a girlfriend in college who

00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.119
was really into that movie or a show. Who was

00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:34.309
your guy? Oh, Dom. dom wasn't actually part of

00:27:34.309 --> 00:27:37.009
the core crew he was the friend like the childhood

00:27:37.009 --> 00:27:39.190
friend who comes back and he's a real piece of

00:27:39.190 --> 00:27:42.769
shit like the first episode they have him there

00:27:42.769 --> 00:27:45.869
he's just like banging out this chick super loud

00:27:45.869 --> 00:27:48.950
in the mansion but like with the door wide open

00:27:48.950 --> 00:27:53.670
so nobody can do anything but hear him yeah he

00:27:53.670 --> 00:27:56.750
looked like uh oh what's that guy from the shield

00:27:57.450 --> 00:27:59.930
Michael Chiklis. He looked like Timu Michael

00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:03.750
Chiklis. Timu Michael Chiklis. Yeah. Excellent.

00:28:04.970 --> 00:28:08.289
Were you a turtle guy? I don't know. I mean,

00:28:08.289 --> 00:28:10.309
a turtle in the early seasons was kind of fun.

00:28:10.410 --> 00:28:12.230
And then he became sort of like they tried to

00:28:12.230 --> 00:28:14.390
make him a sweetheart or something like more

00:28:14.390 --> 00:28:17.250
of a romance character or something. It was better

00:28:17.250 --> 00:28:19.690
when he just like smoked weed and drove around.

00:28:19.890 --> 00:28:24.069
Yeah. OK, you know what's sadder than than his

00:28:24.069 --> 00:28:27.700
IMDb post this movie? John Cusack. Cause it's

00:28:27.700 --> 00:28:29.480
the same amount of movies and I've not heard

00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:31.619
of a single one of these films either. Oh no.

00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:35.259
Yeah. That's a rough go. Yeah. It's too bad.

00:28:35.299 --> 00:28:38.400
Like you got to get that money, right? I suppose.

00:28:38.539 --> 00:28:40.619
Yeah. Got to get your quarters for the arcade.

00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:49.299
Okay. So we, we established that. So big brother,

00:28:49.339 --> 00:28:53.009
Mikey. Got a brick of cocaine to sell to get

00:28:53.009 --> 00:28:55.329
some money to support his daughter, get her braces,

00:28:55.410 --> 00:28:59.230
apparently, which I completely forgot. And he

00:28:59.230 --> 00:29:02.549
that gets stolen. He eventually, you know, tracks

00:29:02.549 --> 00:29:05.150
down the people and ends up in the strip club

00:29:05.150 --> 00:29:07.970
with Eddie King and his crew. So this is Nick

00:29:07.970 --> 00:29:12.009
Cage's character, Eddie King. And they start

00:29:12.009 --> 00:29:15.450
talking. Eddie says he owes that Mikey owes him

00:29:15.450 --> 00:29:18.130
money from, you know, back when they were working

00:29:18.130 --> 00:29:22.039
together. and he wants to use mikey's connection

00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.799
to jp to extort uh jp for money because as previously

00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.240
established he has a 350 000 whatever business

00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:32.200
he has i don't know he's some kind of construction

00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:35.220
construction like a yeah he's a general contractor

00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:37.359
i have a question though and it's going to take

00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.640
us all the way back to the braces again because

00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:41.519
we're not going to move past that today it's

00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.000
the most important part of the movie so yeah

00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:47.880
alexis If you're going to borrow $10 ,000 for

00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.420
braces from your brother, or if you're going

00:29:50.420 --> 00:29:52.859
to borrow $10 ,000 from your brother and you're

00:29:52.859 --> 00:29:55.900
going to use it to buy cocaine, why would you

00:29:55.900 --> 00:29:59.980
choose something that is so visibly not getting

00:29:59.980 --> 00:30:03.079
taken care of? Like, I need $10 ,000 for my daughter's

00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:05.200
braces. Oh, by the way, I'm bringing her to the

00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.599
barbecue later, so you'll totally know that she

00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:09.140
doesn't have braces. She's just eating ribs.

00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:13.740
Yeah, just loving ribs. Not a care in the world.

00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:19.720
Did I say braces? I meant Invisalign. Yeah. I

00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.660
don't know. That seems like Mikey wasn't really

00:30:22.660 --> 00:30:27.279
a thinker. I don't know. First clue. He looks

00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:33.519
like low rent Joe Manganiello. Yeah, I kept getting

00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:36.779
that vibe throughout the whole thing. So actually,

00:30:36.819 --> 00:30:38.920
speaking of Joe, though, like this movie reminded

00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.660
me of the movie Joe a little bit, but like bad.

00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.579
Like this is everything that. could have been

00:30:44.579 --> 00:30:47.359
shitty about that movie that wasn't you know

00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.319
it's like it's shot fairly well it's not terrible

00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:57.059
but it's just not good yeah yeah fun this whole

00:30:57.059 --> 00:31:01.500
movie i was so caught up in like fun yeah i'm

00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:03.440
amazed that sean this is one that you were like

00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.400
that's all right i'm not because it always turns

00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:10.880
out to be the movies that i'm not into i actually

00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:15.180
i actually enjoyed it oh no okay i was we were

00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:19.799
so at about the 25 30 minute mark i'm ready i'm

00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.519
just kind of like all right this is and then

00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.200
we got to slow mo door kick and i'm like this

00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:32.079
is gonna get weird i'm i'm back in yeah i don't

00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:35.549
know i think Before we even got out of the flashback,

00:31:35.630 --> 00:31:38.009
I already had phone in hand and I was getting

00:31:38.009 --> 00:31:40.710
occupied elsewhere. I was like, we'll just get

00:31:40.710 --> 00:31:44.569
back into this when Nick Cage shows up. So let's

00:31:44.569 --> 00:31:46.490
get into that. That man knows how to make an

00:31:46.490 --> 00:31:49.930
entrance in this. We get a sure does reservoir

00:31:49.930 --> 00:31:52.369
dogs where he's like torturing a guy and then

00:31:52.369 --> 00:31:54.809
he takes a lead pipe in the guy's mouth and then

00:31:54.809 --> 00:31:57.369
baseball bats that lead pipe into dude's skull.

00:31:58.109 --> 00:32:00.250
Yeah. Oh, that was the first slow -mo. Yeah.

00:32:00.390 --> 00:32:03.539
Yeah. What's the song that's playing every time

00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:05.799
that he kills somebody in the plastic maze? It

00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:07.660
was a glory, glory, hallelujah. I can't remember

00:32:07.660 --> 00:32:09.980
which one was. The first one was definitely glory,

00:32:09.980 --> 00:32:12.519
glory, hallelujah. I don't remember if they did

00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:13.680
it every time. So it's not the same song every

00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.579
time. OK. If it was, it didn't stick in my brain.

00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.660
Yeah. And church songs always get stuck in my

00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:27.420
brain. So. Oh, yeah. They're real earworms. You

00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:30.759
guys had church songs? We didn't have songs in

00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:33.640
my church. We were Catholic. No, we were Catholic,

00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:35.680
too, and we had lots of songs in our church.

00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:38.259
Half of the church was songs. It's mostly songs.

00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:43.559
How many ways can you sing Amen? Yeah, they give

00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.279
you a whole book of just songs, and they expect

00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:50.140
you, they put a little clipboard, or not a clipboard,

00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:52.299
like a little marquee up there for you to know

00:32:52.299 --> 00:32:53.819
which songs you're going to have to sing that

00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:58.559
day so you can go through and preview. we like

00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.880
we had psalms it was more spoken word and just

00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.480
kind of like muttered under your breath oh man

00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.019
i mean we had a lot of that shit too but we had

00:33:06.019 --> 00:33:08.920
like a band oh like you had actually like a guitar

00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:14.279
musicians and shit wow I just always think back

00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.920
to good bonding moments with you, Peter, are

00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.000
every Christmas that you would be in town and

00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.640
we'd go to Mass. For whatever reason, there was

00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:23.559
one song, I don't remember if it was, you'll

00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:25.039
probably remember which one it is, Joy to the

00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:26.359
World or something. There was a verse in that

00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:28.500
where the entire congregation would fuck up the

00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:30.799
lyrics to it and sing it wrong. And they would

00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:32.960
just kind of muddle through the end of the verse

00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:35.839
and we would just be cracking up. I think it

00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:39.059
was Joy to the World. Because it's it's one of

00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:41.539
these things where they like cram too many letters

00:33:41.539 --> 00:33:46.599
into the cadence of the music can handle. And

00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.420
like a musician can do it, but like the hoi polloi

00:33:50.420 --> 00:33:52.759
can't fucking handle it. And they all just like

00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:56.599
eat shit every time. And it is so funny. Oh,

00:33:56.660 --> 00:33:58.119
let's be honest. This was like this was like

00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:01.299
11 o 'clock, you know, mass on Christmas Eve.

00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.180
And so we're getting close to midnight by this

00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:05.059
time. People had had their nog before they got.

00:34:05.420 --> 00:34:07.640
Oh, yeah. To the church. So there's a little

00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:09.880
bit of that there, too. You also get the communion

00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.480
wine. The rosy cheeks and noses. Communion wine

00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.940
will always fuck you up. Sweet, sweet communion

00:34:14.940 --> 00:34:19.199
wine. Ugh. The worst. The only thing to counteract

00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.679
those weird -ass dry wafers. Sorry, I mean, body

00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.219
of Christ. Yeah, those dry -ass bodies of Christ.

00:34:26.139 --> 00:34:29.079
Or is it body of Christ's? I was bummed that

00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:31.519
you couldn't dip them into the wine. Like, that

00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:35.199
was kind of a no -no. What a shame. You just

00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.900
have to lightly moisten it and press it to the

00:34:37.900 --> 00:34:39.719
roof of your mouth, and then you shot your wine.

00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:42.820
That's how you do it. Oh, did you guys have little

00:34:42.820 --> 00:34:46.320
cups? No, we had to do the chalice or whatever.

00:34:46.699 --> 00:34:50.179
Yeah, same. So I totally forgot. Speaking of

00:34:50.179 --> 00:34:53.000
John Cusack needing white guy dreads, Eddie King's

00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.440
henchman does have white guy dreads. It's true,

00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:00.019
yeah. That guy. Yeah, man. He seems like a piece

00:35:00.019 --> 00:35:02.079
of shit. Yeah, he did seem like. But then they

00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.039
like try to make it seem sympathetic because

00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:09.159
he's got like a kid. Does she need braces? Lisa

00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:14.340
needs braces. Oh, no. Then I'll plan. But he's

00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:16.719
also like known Mikey for years and he doesn't

00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.199
want to kill him. But Mikey's just got to like.

00:35:20.019 --> 00:35:23.800
Play along. OK, so that gets me to my my last

00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:25.880
question about this movie before we talk about

00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.300
Eddie King and Nick Cage, because that's why

00:35:28.300 --> 00:35:34.099
we're here. They let JP infiltrate the arcade

00:35:34.099 --> 00:35:39.019
strip club. Plastic sheet maze. Yeah. Why? Why

00:35:39.019 --> 00:35:42.400
do they let him go free his brother? Well, he

00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:44.980
didn't. How did he know where to find him? This

00:35:44.980 --> 00:35:46.739
is what I was saying earlier, where like this

00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:49.619
movie just decides it's time to end because it

00:35:49.619 --> 00:35:54.420
just cuts to him untying his brother. So that's

00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:58.079
actually the only reason that the flashback exists.

00:35:58.179 --> 00:36:00.699
Yes, because he gives him the quarters in the

00:36:00.699 --> 00:36:03.599
flashback. Then when he does the proof of life

00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.699
conversation, Mikey says something about like

00:36:06.699 --> 00:36:10.860
quarters. And that sets JP off on the quarters,

00:36:10.940 --> 00:36:14.059
quarters. What do we do with quarters? We put

00:36:14.059 --> 00:36:17.500
them in arcade machines and the arcade. That's

00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:21.550
where the exposit. every plot point six times

00:36:21.550 --> 00:36:25.389
that's the one that jp doesn't bother to be like

00:36:25.389 --> 00:36:28.789
i remembered uh this place behind the arcade

00:36:28.789 --> 00:36:32.429
uh where we saw that dude get murdered in the

00:36:32.429 --> 00:36:34.530
murder hole in the murder well i mean i guess

00:36:34.530 --> 00:36:39.050
if you figure oh they've got my brother where

00:36:39.050 --> 00:36:41.610
would they keep him in the arcade behind the

00:36:41.610 --> 00:36:46.010
titties Or in the murder cave. Probably the murder

00:36:46.010 --> 00:36:49.210
cave. Also, do they ever see Alexis get saved

00:36:49.210 --> 00:36:52.710
or is she just fine at the end? Who cares? She's

00:36:52.710 --> 00:36:55.550
just fine at the end. You're right. She's a vegan.

00:36:55.909 --> 00:36:59.949
Gross. But she eats a burger at the end. Good.

00:37:01.210 --> 00:37:04.949
Because, yeah, they so they go, they save Mikey

00:37:04.949 --> 00:37:08.230
and then slow -mo gunfight. And I just want to

00:37:08.230 --> 00:37:12.010
be the one to say it. Shotgun to the dick. mid

00:37:12.010 --> 00:37:16.369
-air slow -mo jump guy gets shotgunned right

00:37:16.369 --> 00:37:19.230
between the legs yeah you follow the shotgun

00:37:19.230 --> 00:37:23.190
straight into the junk yeah yeah i'm glad you

00:37:23.190 --> 00:37:29.150
got there and eddie king gets like shot and jp

00:37:29.150 --> 00:37:31.530
like rocks up oh and i do have one more thing

00:37:31.530 --> 00:37:33.809
to talk about this rocks up cocks the shotgun

00:37:33.809 --> 00:37:37.230
points it at him hard cut to like happy family

00:37:37.230 --> 00:37:40.900
at the barbecue barbecue yeah exactly nothing

00:37:40.900 --> 00:37:45.840
says somebody like consequences for their rampage

00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:48.179
no no cops no nothing everyone's just happy at

00:37:48.179 --> 00:37:52.579
the end even though there's like a definite trail

00:37:52.579 --> 00:37:56.179
of like yeah police interaction for him because

00:37:56.179 --> 00:37:58.519
he talked to an undercover cop at one point he

00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:02.659
talked to sal all about these problems everyone's

00:38:02.659 --> 00:38:06.800
happy hard cut to let's go play let's brothers

00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.880
playing baseball yeah credits go shuckers and

00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:13.159
okay i got a question how many baseballs did

00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:14.739
he bring out with him because if you're gonna

00:38:14.739 --> 00:38:18.960
go out and just hit balls like okay there's only

00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.940
two of you so if he hits it past the pitcher

00:38:21.940 --> 00:38:23.679
like you're gonna have to go get it so we just

00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.420
constantly pulled a second ball out of the thing

00:38:26.420 --> 00:38:28.860
but like how many baseballs do you bring and

00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:30.920
how annoying is it to just like have to like

00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:35.599
stop after 30 seconds of ball to go spend two

00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:37.400
minutes picking up balls halfway across the field.

00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.360
Sorry, Mikey, you drilled that one too fucking

00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:41.780
far. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah. Fuck you, Mikey.

00:38:42.019 --> 00:38:46.320
Yeah. Mikey was the pitcher. Classic. All right.

00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:53.159
Eddie King. Eddie King. So it's a pretty crazy

00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:56.280
performance from Nick Cage on his spectrum. I

00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.309
mean, he's definitely something. he brought all

00:38:59.309 --> 00:39:01.889
the eddie king energy back like it like it was

00:39:01.889 --> 00:39:04.809
just yesterday when he recorded deadfall i mean

00:39:04.809 --> 00:39:07.570
deadfall was definitely more unhinged but i think

00:39:07.570 --> 00:39:10.170
that was partially because like the audio of

00:39:10.170 --> 00:39:12.789
it was fucked up and like they it was a cheap

00:39:12.789 --> 00:39:15.829
production you know and they they like didn't

00:39:15.829 --> 00:39:20.769
capture it as well as this maybe but he evolved

00:39:20.769 --> 00:39:23.389
it over time too i mean deadfall was like 94

00:39:23.389 --> 00:39:27.090
yeah so he's been thinking about eddie king in

00:39:27.090 --> 00:39:29.710
the back of his 93 eddie king's been in the back

00:39:29.710 --> 00:39:32.949
of his mind king lives there he's probably perfecting

00:39:32.949 --> 00:39:35.329
that role over and over again i'm ready for the

00:39:35.329 --> 00:39:37.889
next eddie king film bring him back baby yeah

00:39:37.889 --> 00:39:41.289
whose brother will he be murdering that time

00:39:41.289 --> 00:39:44.769
so philip you didn't you didn't see deadfall

00:39:44.769 --> 00:39:46.909
but see i don't know i was a little let down

00:39:46.909 --> 00:39:50.369
because no i didn't i didn't i saw the no i was

00:39:50.369 --> 00:39:52.250
just gonna say i didn't see deadfall and so you

00:39:52.250 --> 00:39:55.550
sent me a clip of or i guess it's a what do you

00:39:55.550 --> 00:39:58.550
call it like a supercut Yeah, super cut. You

00:39:58.550 --> 00:40:00.670
sent me a super cut. And it was all the zany,

00:40:00.730 --> 00:40:03.510
very cagey moments. And I was kind of expecting

00:40:03.510 --> 00:40:05.690
a bit more of that when I went in. So I had to

00:40:05.690 --> 00:40:08.969
say I was generally disappointed in his performance

00:40:08.969 --> 00:40:11.230
because he played it pretty even keel until the

00:40:11.230 --> 00:40:15.170
scene where Buddy comes in, his brother. And

00:40:15.170 --> 00:40:16.909
that was a completely different that that was

00:40:16.909 --> 00:40:19.889
immaculate. I loved every moment of it. And it

00:40:19.889 --> 00:40:25.000
was it completely it made the movie for me. But

00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:26.880
yeah, I was I was generally let down otherwise

00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:30.420
that he was just kind of even keel. I liked how

00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:33.699
Eddie King's brother also had his own plastic

00:40:33.699 --> 00:40:37.320
murder room. Well, listen, they got it from their

00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.719
dad at some point. You know, everybody inherits

00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:42.739
their first plastic murder room from their dad.

00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.159
Yeah. What a nice day that was. That's how they

00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:48.380
do it in New Orleans. So that's a problem, though,

00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:50.019
with brothers, though. It always goes to the

00:40:50.019 --> 00:40:53.039
eldest. Yeah. I don't remember a lot of basements

00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:56.440
in New Orleans. Well, this was Biloxi. Oh, okay.

00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.380
I don't think there's a lot of basements in Mississippi

00:40:58.380 --> 00:41:02.019
either. That's probably true. How many strip

00:41:02.019 --> 00:41:04.760
club arcades were there in New Orleans? Do you

00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.559
know, Nick? Have you seen many of those? I'm

00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.320
willing to assume that I saw at least two. It's

00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.519
got to be a non -zero, right? Yeah, a non -zero

00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.800
amount of them. But I'm willing to go back and

00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:17.760
get a definite number if you need me to. Yeah,

00:41:17.780 --> 00:41:21.880
we need the research. Yeah. OK, so, yeah. God,

00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.199
Eddie King. He has that weird like letter to

00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.179
his brother. There's the great monologuing. I

00:41:29.179 --> 00:41:30.920
mean, I was trying to think about this. Sean

00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.400
and I talked a while ago about like, why does

00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.280
Nick Cage do these movies? So like to me, it

00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:37.420
seems like there are certain scenes that he really

00:41:37.420 --> 00:41:39.679
wants to do. And that one felt like that. And

00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:43.440
then also he likes fake noses. Yeah. that seems

00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:48.659
right i wonder if this was his like they needed

00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:50.280
they needed someone that could get nick cage

00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.219
for a decent price and nick cage is like cool

00:41:52.219 --> 00:41:56.139
i'll be in this film but i get to play this character

00:41:56.139 --> 00:41:59.280
like you forced eddie king to be in this movie

00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:03.260
like because he didn't produce this he didn't

00:42:03.260 --> 00:42:04.699
write it so it's not like someone came up to

00:42:04.699 --> 00:42:06.900
him like we got a deadfall sequel for you he

00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.699
had to ask for that to do that role I don't know

00:42:09.699 --> 00:42:14.159
how you can ever say deadfall sequel. Yeah, exactly.

00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:18.079
Like I'm assuming that Eddie King exists in a

00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:20.480
world kind of like Mad Max, where it's just other

00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.139
people telling their Eddie King stories. Yeah.

00:42:23.260 --> 00:42:26.940
And you've all run into an Eddie King. And, you

00:42:26.940 --> 00:42:28.699
know, maybe you think you killed him in your

00:42:28.699 --> 00:42:31.320
story, but everybody else still has stories where

00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:33.079
they think they killed him too. I put him in

00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:35.340
a fucking fry later, man. He's like the Jason

00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:39.570
Voorhees of like fake nose, big mustache. Bad

00:42:39.570 --> 00:42:44.110
wig. Yeah. Gravel voices. I do love that wig.

00:42:44.289 --> 00:42:47.929
That's such a good look. Yeah. That fucking helmet

00:42:47.929 --> 00:42:51.849
hair with the stupid mustache and the big nose.

00:42:53.090 --> 00:42:57.050
Maybe I'll get that tattooed on me. On my face.

00:42:57.250 --> 00:43:02.329
I so I was feeling the same as Philip early on

00:43:02.329 --> 00:43:05.030
in this film when we first see Eddie King. It's

00:43:05.030 --> 00:43:07.190
just like it's played pretty even keel. It's

00:43:07.190 --> 00:43:10.550
not. that interesting and i'm like all right

00:43:10.550 --> 00:43:13.329
and then we get him meeting with his brother

00:43:13.329 --> 00:43:19.369
uh the brother takes eddie to kill him in the

00:43:19.369 --> 00:43:21.210
second murder hole the second plastic murder

00:43:21.210 --> 00:43:25.409
room because there's too much heat on eddie so

00:43:25.409 --> 00:43:30.769
then eddie has caucasian dreadlocks show up to

00:43:30.769 --> 00:43:32.829
back him up and then he beats his brother to

00:43:32.829 --> 00:43:36.309
death and that's our third slow -mo scene and

00:43:36.309 --> 00:43:40.769
it's just like This artfully like Eddie just

00:43:40.769 --> 00:43:43.710
like smashing his brother's skull and just whipping

00:43:43.710 --> 00:43:46.170
blood all over the room. Yeah, there's a lot

00:43:46.170 --> 00:43:49.610
of like weird jelly, grape jelly kind of blood

00:43:49.610 --> 00:43:52.269
going everywhere. It's thick. It's viscous. It's

00:43:52.269 --> 00:43:54.889
very viscous. You reminded me of one of the notes

00:43:54.889 --> 00:43:57.469
I wrote when I the shotgun scene with the uncle.

00:43:57.530 --> 00:43:59.010
I'd forgotten about that completely. I was like,

00:43:59.090 --> 00:44:01.050
oh, strawberry jam. I should mention that on

00:44:01.050 --> 00:44:06.619
the pod. Nobody gives me the raspberry. during

00:44:06.619 --> 00:44:09.159
the final shootout we get another uh we get a

00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:10.960
spit ticket guy getting shot in the face and

00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.360
him like just spraying jam out of his mouth towards

00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:16.619
the camera oh super gnarly yeah yeah and then

00:44:16.619 --> 00:44:18.659
like to pause there for a second that was they

00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:21.320
clearly like they built a model and they're putting

00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:23.440
a lot of work into this thing i'm just thinking

00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.420
like what was the budget of this movie i don't

00:44:25.420 --> 00:44:27.639
know if you have that up peter but they clearly

00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:29.659
sunk all of their money into that kind of stuff

00:44:29.659 --> 00:44:31.800
you know the the hyper realistic violence the

00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:35.519
ultra slow -mo and i'm just so desperate to know

00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.219
how much of the budget went into that kind of

00:44:37.219 --> 00:44:39.500
bullshit i couldn't find the actual budget for

00:44:39.500 --> 00:44:46.880
this but what it pulled in was 41 000 so So,

00:44:46.900 --> 00:44:49.480
yeah, it did not do great. People did not enjoy

00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:53.980
this movie for reasons. It's rated a 3 % on Rotten

00:44:53.980 --> 00:44:57.980
Tomatoes, which, like, this is his second lowest

00:44:57.980 --> 00:45:03.099
rated movie other than Left Behind. Completely

00:45:03.099 --> 00:45:05.780
unjustified. I think it deserves way more than

00:45:05.780 --> 00:45:09.719
a 3 % on Rotten Tomatoes. It's easily a 12, you

00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:13.840
know, like. Some people just don't enjoy art.

00:45:14.539 --> 00:45:17.840
This was so much better than we were talking

00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:19.380
about earlier before we started recording. We

00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:22.800
were talking about Rage. What is it? Tokarev.

00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:25.500
My God, that movie was one of the worst things

00:45:25.500 --> 00:45:27.880
I've ever seen. Such a fiasco, except for the

00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.960
ending, which was immaculate, which is what was

00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:33.480
the moral like teenagers, dumb teenagers don't

00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:38.300
play with guns like PSA. So good. The moral of

00:45:38.300 --> 00:45:40.480
that movie is crime jackets are cool. Crime jackets

00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.400
are cool, though. I mean, let's get fucking real.

00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.340
Crime jackets are cool. That's right. That's

00:45:45.340 --> 00:45:47.000
what this movie was missing, a crime jacket.

00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:51.920
It's totally true. OK, so here this is a non

00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.360
sequitur for everything. Nick, what is the correct

00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.300
amount of Worcestershire sauce to celery in a

00:45:57.300 --> 00:46:02.619
Bloody Mary? Yeah, I have never, never in my

00:46:02.619 --> 00:46:05.460
life thought the celery needed to balance the

00:46:05.460 --> 00:46:10.559
Worcestershire. I'm guessing like three dashes

00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:13.099
per inch. Okay. Yeah, that sounds about right.

00:46:14.300 --> 00:46:17.519
Inch per dash. Yeah, that seems reasonable. Inch

00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:21.690
of celery. Submerged depth or? Full celery stick.

00:46:21.849 --> 00:46:23.590
Total because you're going to eat it. Yeah. OK,

00:46:23.690 --> 00:46:25.769
that's fair. They weren't even talking about

00:46:25.769 --> 00:46:28.349
horseradish, which is like that's really the

00:46:28.349 --> 00:46:30.730
main player in a good Bloody Mary. You got to

00:46:30.730 --> 00:46:32.829
fuck with the horseradish. That's your balance

00:46:32.829 --> 00:46:36.230
right there. I'm inclined to agree. Yeah. Yeah.

00:46:36.309 --> 00:46:39.869
I prefer a horseradish over a hot sauce. So hot

00:46:39.869 --> 00:46:42.650
sauce. Absolutely. Peter knows how much I love

00:46:42.650 --> 00:46:46.920
horseradish. Our first time at Vegas. uh buffet

00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:49.820
i went and got a soup a soup bowl to fill with

00:46:49.820 --> 00:46:52.219
horseradish sauce because the ramekins weren't

00:46:52.219 --> 00:46:55.699
doing it for me i was making those ramekins that's

00:46:55.699 --> 00:46:58.659
that's fantastic yeah but was it like creamed

00:46:58.659 --> 00:47:03.440
horseradish because they cut that with sour cream

00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:05.940
they might have been yeah the guy at the carbon

00:47:05.940 --> 00:47:10.880
station gave me a look yeah this is how they

00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:12.719
knew to fuck This is how they knew to take the

00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.860
shrimp away. People eat shrimp can get fucked.

00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:19.380
Sean, we know you because of you. I'm sure if

00:47:19.380 --> 00:47:21.480
you go back there, they're like, ramekins only.

00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:25.679
It was a sign that they can tap. It's a really

00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.760
sketchy, sketchy image of you on the poster.

00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.960
Just ladling. Jokes on that I was a guy last

00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:38.079
time. Yeah, there you go, right? There you go.

00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.659
uh okay so let's do let's do some favorite quotes

00:47:43.659 --> 00:47:46.940
um philip you want to kick it off oh yeah uh

00:47:46.940 --> 00:47:49.480
i feel like i'm gonna pick everybody's favorite

00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:52.519
quote but well it was a tough one it was a tough

00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.820
one between uh both come from the same scene

00:47:54.820 --> 00:47:58.000
buddy and eddie are uh you know talking to each

00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.800
other they're meeting up because buddy wants

00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:03.480
to well i guess we find out he's gonna kill his

00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:05.139
brother but it was mostly because apparently

00:48:05.139 --> 00:48:10.170
for the mob it is beyond the pale to extort someone

00:48:10.170 --> 00:48:12.590
i couldn't figure out why it made no sense in

00:48:12.590 --> 00:48:13.989
the movie to me maybe it's because he's a good

00:48:13.989 --> 00:48:18.849
old mississippi boy yeah um but so i wanted to

00:48:18.849 --> 00:48:22.530
do the line about eddie after he finds out this

00:48:22.530 --> 00:48:25.030
brother's gonna kill him but i i think truly

00:48:25.030 --> 00:48:28.389
the the most sublime and perplexing line for

00:48:28.389 --> 00:48:33.710
me is buddy says talk travels fast in new orleans

00:48:33.710 --> 00:48:40.949
just like tourists do Completely inscrutable.

00:48:41.030 --> 00:48:43.389
Like what the fuck does this mean? I've been

00:48:43.389 --> 00:48:45.170
thinking about this since I watched this stupid

00:48:45.170 --> 00:48:47.309
fucking movie and I can't figure this shit out.

00:48:47.369 --> 00:48:50.110
What the fuck does that mean? Talk travels fast

00:48:50.110 --> 00:48:53.460
in New Orleans. just like tourists do what does

00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:56.000
it mean that tourists travel fast in new orleans

00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.260
are there too many tourists coming or do they

00:48:58.260 --> 00:49:00.360
go through new orleans too fast and they don't

00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:03.039
appreciate the local arts and architecture i

00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.539
have no fucking idea what this means and i absolutely

00:49:05.539 --> 00:49:09.079
love this line so that's my pick i like it sean

00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:12.360
did you have one i did not have a favorite like

00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.719
oh there were so many bangers oh i just none

00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:17.920
of the none of them spoke to me like at no point

00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:19.880
was i'm like i at no point did i like reach for

00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.679
my phone to write one down yeah i can't say this

00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.900
movie inspired me to uh remember anything from

00:49:25.900 --> 00:49:29.480
it oh shit are you guys serious i mean i can

00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:32.139
i can just do rapid fire here there's some hit

00:49:32.139 --> 00:49:35.800
me with some more whoa wait i got my favorite

00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.610
one all right all right all right hit me I don't

00:49:38.610 --> 00:49:40.030
remember exactly when it happens, but at some

00:49:40.030 --> 00:49:41.710
point, Mikey is talking about video games or

00:49:41.710 --> 00:49:44.150
JP is or whatever. And Nick Cage's Eddie King

00:49:44.150 --> 00:49:47.030
just goes, video games? You always were a pussy.

00:49:48.369 --> 00:49:54.110
That was good. There's also the golden dildo

00:49:54.110 --> 00:49:56.010
one. I can't remember how that set up goes, but

00:49:56.010 --> 00:49:59.090
he's talking to the shopkeeper. And yeah, that

00:49:59.090 --> 00:50:01.090
was pretty. I think you can take that 6K and

00:50:01.090 --> 00:50:03.309
buy yourself a golden dildo, et cetera, et cetera.

00:50:03.409 --> 00:50:06.429
But I don't really remember how that. i think

00:50:06.429 --> 00:50:09.349
you got the gist i think you got this yeah but

00:50:09.349 --> 00:50:13.389
no my other my other runner up was um so eddie

00:50:13.389 --> 00:50:15.690
i had to put subtitles on for this one because

00:50:15.690 --> 00:50:17.469
i couldn't quite catch what he said when it happened

00:50:17.469 --> 00:50:20.530
but eddie uh finds out that buddy's gonna kill

00:50:20.530 --> 00:50:23.530
him and he turns it around on him and he realizes

00:50:23.530 --> 00:50:27.420
this and he goes oh Oh, my brother's trying to

00:50:27.420 --> 00:50:33.940
kill me, man. All right. Excellent moment. Just

00:50:33.940 --> 00:50:38.760
exposition for no fucking reason. This movie

00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.139
rules. Yeah. Worth every percent of its three

00:50:42.139 --> 00:50:45.500
percent rating. I did. I enjoyed the whole the

00:50:45.500 --> 00:50:48.440
whole ride. Like when I initially sat down, I'm

00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:50.019
like, all right, 90 minutes. I can get through

00:50:50.019 --> 00:50:53.500
this. And I was here for every every second of

00:50:53.500 --> 00:50:56.059
it. All right. So let's see. Do you guys have

00:50:56.059 --> 00:50:58.719
anything else you want to say about this movie?

00:50:59.179 --> 00:51:04.659
I think it's weird that this and Deadfall follows

00:51:04.659 --> 00:51:08.440
such a structure about brothers because Deadfall

00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:12.800
was all about like, oh, go out and find my twin

00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:16.219
brother. You never knew I had and whatnot. And

00:51:16.219 --> 00:51:19.679
now it's like, oh. Now it's two brothers trying

00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.860
to do this. And then Eddie King's got a brother

00:51:21.860 --> 00:51:25.079
who's played by Nicolas Cage's brother. It's

00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:27.380
brothers all the way. Yeah, it's too many brothers.

00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.900
It was distracting for me. Well, it's good that

00:51:30.900 --> 00:51:32.760
we had a brother on this podcast. Yeah, and now

00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:36.019
we got a brother on the podcast. By the way,

00:51:36.019 --> 00:51:38.320
I am plotting your demise because you owe me

00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.940
$50. So just, you know, just have that in the

00:51:40.940 --> 00:51:42.980
back of your mind. Listen, man, I hope you really

00:51:42.980 --> 00:51:45.840
like watching me eat pecans. I do. They're good

00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.460
for your health. It's true. Did you loan him

00:51:48.460 --> 00:51:53.039
that $50 so he could get Cora braces? Yeah. Cora

00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:59.159
needs braces. $50 braces. That might just be

00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.440
cramming a pecan in a mouth. Yeah, it could be.

00:52:02.539 --> 00:52:07.800
Just rolled up tinfoil. Gross. So, like I said,

00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.179
the movie starts off with standing in a boatyard,

00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:15.050
cock gun, and then later... right before the

00:52:15.050 --> 00:52:16.750
end of the climax of this movie we see him in

00:52:16.750 --> 00:52:19.969
the same boatyard cocking a gun no scene takes

00:52:19.969 --> 00:52:23.489
place in a boatyard other than the gun cock that's

00:52:23.489 --> 00:52:27.469
good observation he went out to the went out

00:52:27.469 --> 00:52:30.949
went out to the shipyard just to stand there

00:52:30.949 --> 00:52:34.030
at you know at the golden he didn't want someone

00:52:34.030 --> 00:52:38.670
to hear him oh yeah always cock your gun outside

00:52:38.670 --> 00:52:42.260
of the place you're gonna do crime All right,

00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:45.119
Phil, have you had one more thing? I got a couple

00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:47.960
of things, actually. So, oh, Lord, fuck. Peel

00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:52.420
this onion. Yeah. So I was thinking about, oh,

00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.480
man, I lost track of the earlier one I had, but

00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.519
I'll circle back around to it. But yeah, Grenier

00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:01.659
at the end, the final scene, all of a sudden

00:53:01.659 --> 00:53:04.280
he has a fucking southern accent out of nowhere.

00:53:04.340 --> 00:53:06.380
He hasn't had an accent this entire movie. And

00:53:06.380 --> 00:53:08.500
in the final scene, he all of a sudden has one.

00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.460
And I was just like. Did I miss it the whole

00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:13.940
time, or was this the first scene that they shot?

00:53:14.099 --> 00:53:16.519
They probably filmed it backwards. Yeah, they

00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:18.760
shot that. That's what I was thinking, too. Realized

00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:23.739
it didn't work. Last thing I had was a question

00:53:23.739 --> 00:53:28.840
for Producer Peter here. Uh -oh. Please tell

00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:32.500
me that you looked up some stats on the Biloxi

00:53:32.500 --> 00:53:35.420
shuckers. I need to know if they're... like tell

00:53:35.420 --> 00:53:37.940
me about them are they good are they bad okay

00:53:37.940 --> 00:53:40.139
so i did actually look up the biloxi shuckers

00:53:40.139 --> 00:53:43.559
a little bit and uh i was intrigued to find out

00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:45.019
that they're a minor league baseball team that

00:53:45.019 --> 00:53:47.460
started in 2015 so this is actually a fairly

00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:51.039
new team for this movie so maybe they sort of

00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.550
like struck a deal to be part of it They aren't

00:53:53.550 --> 00:53:55.550
anything particularly awesome. They've had some

00:53:55.550 --> 00:53:57.429
interesting players over the years. They're not

00:53:57.429 --> 00:54:02.309
particularly good. But yeah, they were a fusion

00:54:02.309 --> 00:54:05.489
team from God, I can't remember. It's a Biloxi

00:54:05.489 --> 00:54:07.789
and some other tiny ass Mississippi town. So

00:54:07.789 --> 00:54:12.090
let's go shuckers. They used to be like a toad.

00:54:12.090 --> 00:54:15.829
I don't know. Their mascot is and it's a nice

00:54:15.829 --> 00:54:19.159
oyster. Yeah, I mean, that's exposed. Yeah, that's

00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:21.199
about all I got. I didn't go into the deep dive.

00:54:21.380 --> 00:54:23.219
I looked up a couple of the player names. I was

00:54:23.219 --> 00:54:25.599
like, I'm not going to remember these. All right,

00:54:25.619 --> 00:54:27.840
we got to wrap this shit up. Wait, can we just

00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:31.079
take two seconds and talk about? Fuck you. Yeah.

00:54:31.179 --> 00:54:35.360
OK, let's do the grid real quick. Great cage,

00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:39.199
bad movie. Great cage, entertainingly bad movie.

00:54:39.860 --> 00:54:44.920
Brief moments of sublime cage. Passable movie.

00:54:46.329 --> 00:54:47.889
Passable is about the best way that you could

00:54:47.889 --> 00:54:52.769
describe this. It is not a 3%. It's a 23. Ouch,

00:54:52.909 --> 00:54:57.469
that's a lot. Sure, it's not like a 13. It might

00:54:57.469 --> 00:55:01.210
be a 13. Tokarev was a 13. Yeah. It's better

00:55:01.210 --> 00:55:03.510
than Tokarev. It's hands down better than Tokarev.

00:55:04.110 --> 00:55:06.170
Oh, God, Tokarev. I think I like to rage more.

00:55:07.929 --> 00:55:09.849
Maybe it's because I ended up watching it twice.

00:55:09.889 --> 00:55:12.510
I just fucking hate that movie with a passion.

00:55:13.389 --> 00:55:15.750
Well, let's get back together in a year and we'll

00:55:15.750 --> 00:55:19.170
do a head to head between this and Rage and see

00:55:19.170 --> 00:55:21.650
which one was really better. Thanks. I love that

00:55:21.650 --> 00:55:24.170
you guys always invite me on this show when it's

00:55:24.170 --> 00:55:27.909
just real horse shit movies. You got to watch

00:55:27.909 --> 00:55:30.909
Con Air. Con Air was awesome. I'll give you that.

00:55:30.969 --> 00:55:33.889
That was that was great. But yeah, come on, man.

00:55:35.670 --> 00:55:38.769
All right. So next up, we've got Vengeance colon

00:55:38.769 --> 00:55:42.559
A Love Story, which. has been described as a

00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.059
terrible movie but a great nick cage movie so

00:55:45.059 --> 00:55:50.699
yeah we're at the point in this experiment where

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all of these movies have vaguely the same name

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and i'm getting very confused yeah it's it's

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tough and i mean like marketing departments really

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don't like these low budget movies because they're

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just like well we gotta get butts in seats so

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what makes it work you know i like that they

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added that it's a love story yeah we'll find

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out yeah I'm going to get some like warming massage

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oils for when we watch this movie. I'll just

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like lay out some towels and it's a love story.

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Yeah. And, you know, lay there expecting Josie

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to massage me the whole time. Yeah. From out

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of vengeance. Yeah. Vengeance, a massage. Anyway.

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Thank you to our Sparkle Buddies, Josh, Josie,

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Matt, Adam, Bill, Stuart, and Willow, and to

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our Cage Dancers, John, Freeman, Nathan, and

00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:39.420
Cameron, and to Bill Panks for our intro music,

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and go Shuckers! Go Shuckers! Shuck, shuck, shuck,

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shuck, shuck. Bye -bye! We're baseball players.

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Of course we choose sunflower seeds like candy.

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Baseball players. Of course we give each other

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good game taps. We're baseball players. Of course

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we're full of ourselves. We're baseball players.

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Of course we play cards and rain delays. We're

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baseball players. Of course we're not the Savannah

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Bananas. We're baseball players. Of course we

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have nice butts.