WEBVTT 00:00:01.710 --> 00:00:25.230 Oh, God. Oh, my God. What's a tapache? It's a 00:00:25.230 --> 00:00:28.149 fermented pineapple drink. It's actually really 00:00:28.149 --> 00:00:31.320 good. Yeah. All right. They're kind of addictive. 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:34.299 But they don't make you feel sick like the... 00:00:34.299 --> 00:00:37.179 Oh, there's no probiotics. Oh, right. Like kombucha. 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:40.859 Kombucha. Wait, probiotics make you feel sick? 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:43.299 That's backwards, isn't it? They can. Oh, okay. 00:00:43.299 --> 00:00:45.859 If you're sensitive. I'm sensitive. I mean, the 00:00:45.859 --> 00:00:48.320 thing I don't like about kombucha is the scoby 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:51.560 itself. It's gross. Yes, what? The scoby. Oh. 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:54.659 the scobies are pretty repulsive what's a what's 00:00:54.659 --> 00:00:57.500 a biscovy a scoby is like part of the kombucha 00:00:57.500 --> 00:01:00.320 brewing process oh okay no no no i know the mother 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:03.399 yeah yeah yeah exactly it's the sourdough like 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:06.000 pillow bacterial pillow is a good way of putting 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:10.500 it yeah i don't like that or duvet it's a bacterial 00:01:10.500 --> 00:01:15.849 duvet remember when blake was still making uh 00:01:15.849 --> 00:01:18.409 booch all the time and he was like trying to 00:01:18.409 --> 00:01:20.390 like give it away in the end because he's like 00:01:20.390 --> 00:01:22.730 nobody's taking my kombucha and i have too much 00:01:22.730 --> 00:01:26.629 at home sorry man nobody likes kombucha that 00:01:26.629 --> 00:01:29.530 much it's not that hot for the booch it had its 00:01:29.530 --> 00:01:34.150 moment and go on get yeah so um right before 00:01:34.150 --> 00:01:36.489 we hopped on we just were all like this movie 00:01:36.489 --> 00:01:40.469 made us feel pretty uncomfortable yeah yeah that's 00:01:40.469 --> 00:01:43.950 good I hope the FBI has like a whole lot of cuck 00:01:43.950 --> 00:01:47.349 chairs for when they watch all of my videos. 00:01:47.549 --> 00:01:51.810 Oh, my God. Self -contained. Gross. It is. It's 00:01:51.810 --> 00:01:55.590 so gross what I do. The things I have to do to 00:01:55.590 --> 00:02:00.650 get me there. Sean. I'm not even going to try. 00:02:00.689 --> 00:02:02.250 Welcome back to Cage Match. Calling around about 00:02:02.250 --> 00:02:05.549 Wade meeting Nicolas Cage. I'm Sean here with 00:02:05.549 --> 00:02:11.620 Nick. And producer Peter. Hello. We've reached 00:02:11.620 --> 00:02:16.020 a whole new level of not trying. There was no 00:02:16.020 --> 00:02:19.199 clean break from what you were saying. I'm like, 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:21.219 I'm not even going to try. Let's just get this 00:02:21.219 --> 00:02:25.180 over with. Just climb out of the cup chair. And 00:02:25.180 --> 00:02:28.180 we're joined by our friends and guests. Elizabeth. 00:02:28.500 --> 00:02:30.939 And Freeman. Yeah, Freeman, welcome back. Elizabeth, 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.539 welcome for the first time. Thank you. Hi, Elizabeth. 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:38.099 Hello. I'm glad you picked a movie about... creepy 00:02:38.099 --> 00:02:42.580 nsa spying yeah yeah well i i work in data privacy 00:02:42.580 --> 00:02:46.719 so it's perfect i actually i know more about 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:51.400 this than uh than your average person and i watched 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:53.740 the movie and was like yeah yeah yeah it's worse 00:02:53.740 --> 00:02:56.699 now oh it's so much worse it's so much worse 00:02:56.699 --> 00:02:59.680 now ai's so good at matching things together 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:03.560 yeah yeah before we get there uh we're this week 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:06.840 we're talking about oliver stone's snowden Yeah, 00:03:06.860 --> 00:03:10.419 2016. Joseph Gordon -Levitt. Who did a weird 00:03:10.419 --> 00:03:13.680 voice. Yes! But he does kind of sound like Snowden. 00:03:14.020 --> 00:03:17.219 You think so? A little bit. I don't know. Snowden's 00:03:17.219 --> 00:03:21.280 got a pretty monotony robot voice. It felt like 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.020 he was trying to force himself an octave lower 00:03:24.020 --> 00:03:28.180 than normal, and it was too much. Yeah, Josie 00:03:28.180 --> 00:03:30.620 had some issue with his voice as well. I guess 00:03:30.620 --> 00:03:33.979 it felt very on point. With a lot of the privacy 00:03:33.979 --> 00:03:36.060 engineers that I work with, I was like, oh, yeah, 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.659 this is this is normal. That's OK. That guy exists. 00:03:38.819 --> 00:03:40.560 That's all right. That's all right. Perfect. 00:03:40.659 --> 00:03:43.340 I love that. There's a time. I loved how throughout 00:03:43.340 --> 00:03:45.120 the film, like later on in the film, when you 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:46.759 see like the other people who are working with 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:49.879 him in like data security and I say, see, like 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:51.960 whenever like it shows like the nerds, you just 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.219 like and here are extras from the Big Bang Theory. 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:58.280 Yeah. Yeah. So the other cast, Shailene Woodley 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:02.259 as Lindsay Mills. uh my favorite though was reese 00:04:02.259 --> 00:04:06.360 uh ifans as the like um corbin o 'brien the like 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:11.060 director he's fucking good that guy's got a weird 00:04:11.060 --> 00:04:13.539 head and i say that every time i see him in a 00:04:13.539 --> 00:04:15.400 movie and i always enjoy him in movies but he's 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:17.860 got a weird head i can't get over him basically 00:04:17.860 --> 00:04:19.980 always being like a soccer hooligan and everything 00:04:19.980 --> 00:04:22.240 i see and then this he was like a really buttoned 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:27.560 up like spook i prefer a zipped up spook yeah 00:04:28.389 --> 00:04:32.009 I didn't have anything for that. Spooksuit. Spooksuit 00:04:32.009 --> 00:04:36.269 riot. LaKeith Stanfield. I love that guy. He's 00:04:36.269 --> 00:04:39.790 so fucking good. His buddy who does the sign 00:04:39.790 --> 00:04:43.329 language at the in Oahu. Yeah. Yeah. I like him. 00:04:43.930 --> 00:04:46.149 I think I always like him in pretty much everything. 00:04:46.589 --> 00:04:49.129 I like how cool he was about stepping on the 00:04:49.129 --> 00:04:52.990 evidence. Oh, yeah. Keeping it keeping it clean. 00:04:53.189 --> 00:04:56.889 Do a solid. Yeah. I will say Snowden leaving 00:04:56.889 --> 00:05:02.050 the base and him getting the chip out of there. 00:05:02.170 --> 00:05:07.490 The SD card in the Rubik's Cube. And he like 00:05:07.490 --> 00:05:08.949 tossing it to the guard and be like, you ever 00:05:08.949 --> 00:05:10.670 try one of these? I'm like, that's that's a cool 00:05:10.670 --> 00:05:16.709 spy move. He did a spy, everybody. I did like 00:05:16.709 --> 00:05:18.250 the other guard when the other guard gets a hold 00:05:18.250 --> 00:05:19.990 of the Rubik's Cube. It's like his solution to 00:05:19.990 --> 00:05:23.220 try and solve this to break it. I don't know. 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.579 That's kind of the way I solved them whenever 00:05:25.579 --> 00:05:27.660 I did. I just took the stickers off. Yeah, take 00:05:27.660 --> 00:05:28.779 all the stickers off and put them back in the 00:05:28.779 --> 00:05:31.060 right order. I'm like, perfect. Duh. You guys 00:05:31.060 --> 00:05:33.040 suck at this, man. Well, and it felt appropriate 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:35.139 to create that cinematic tension. Like he's going 00:05:35.139 --> 00:05:37.279 to break the cube open and find the SD card right 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:40.759 there or something. Right. Yeah. Well, OK, so 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.899 Elizabeth and Freeman, do you want to do a top 00:05:43.899 --> 00:05:47.300 level summation of this movie for us? Freeman. 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:51.970 Completely unredacted. Yeah, exactly. Well, let's 00:05:51.970 --> 00:05:55.290 see. We start off with Snowden trying to join 00:05:55.290 --> 00:06:01.250 the Army Rangers and breaking his leg. His glass 00:06:01.250 --> 00:06:04.009 legs. Yeah, yeah. Just getting out the top bunk. 00:06:04.589 --> 00:06:09.149 Exactly. That scene grossed me out so bad. Oh, 00:06:09.290 --> 00:06:11.870 yeah, yeah. I don't know. I crushed a bone in 00:06:11.870 --> 00:06:14.110 my foot as a kid, so I was kind of related. I 00:06:14.110 --> 00:06:16.790 was like, ooh. Anytime I see a leg going the 00:06:16.790 --> 00:06:19.730 wrong direction, I'm just like, no. That's sad. 00:06:21.149 --> 00:06:24.970 And so then the medical doctor says, you know, 00:06:25.009 --> 00:06:26.829 thanks, son, but you can serve your country another 00:06:26.829 --> 00:06:31.589 way. So he goes and actually joins what the the 00:06:31.589 --> 00:06:35.670 CIA formally gets hired there. And then after 00:06:35.670 --> 00:06:38.490 kind of working his way up a little bit, requests 00:06:38.490 --> 00:06:40.329 what like field training? I guess I'm skipping 00:06:40.329 --> 00:06:43.250 the part where he's what at the. Or am I getting 00:06:43.250 --> 00:06:44.970 that out of order? No, you've got this in the 00:06:44.970 --> 00:06:46.230 right order. I mean, I think the only thing he 00:06:46.230 --> 00:06:48.310 missed is that he does that like long test for 00:06:48.310 --> 00:06:50.310 Corbin O 'Brien. He does it in like 40 minutes 00:06:50.310 --> 00:06:54.509 or whatever. Yeah. 38. Yeah. 38. So then he ends 00:06:54.509 --> 00:06:57.569 up, what, in Geneva? Mm -hmm. And that's where 00:06:57.569 --> 00:07:00.889 he first gets his kind of scope of the magnitude 00:07:00.889 --> 00:07:03.769 of the dragnet that's going on. Because the whole, 00:07:03.910 --> 00:07:06.970 the X search or the X type. Yeah, X key code 00:07:06.970 --> 00:07:08.389 or something. Yeah, exactly what it's called. 00:07:08.470 --> 00:07:10.620 Yeah, X code. That was kind of terrifying. Oh, 00:07:10.620 --> 00:07:13.680 and we get, what's his name? Fucking my favorite 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:18.620 actor. Timothy Oliphant? Yeah, he's great. He 00:07:18.620 --> 00:07:20.160 always looks like the most smug motherfucker 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:23.680 in the entire world. Yeah, that guy gives me 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.680 the real kind of sleazy vibe. Yeah, he plays 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:29.379 a sleazeball really well. Yeah, he would sell 00:07:29.379 --> 00:07:32.920 you his own mother. I mean, what kind of condition 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:39.480 is she in? Low mileage. Okay, cool. I have need 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:46.160 of secondhand mom, actually. Don't we all? And 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:50.079 he flunks out of that horribly because he gets 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:52.939 kind of all freaked out. He didn't like the consequences 00:07:52.939 --> 00:07:57.220 of his actions. Yeah. People got hurt. Yeah, 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:59.860 like they basically pushed a teen girl to harm 00:07:59.860 --> 00:08:04.000 herself and all to put pressure on some banker. 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.720 Yeah. And so then what? He gets his negative 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.319 marks, and he basically leaves the CIA, but no 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:12.800 one throws him in jail or anything, so that's 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:15.100 good. What's a D -Rog? I should have looked that 00:08:15.100 --> 00:08:19.459 up. It's a derogatory comment on your card. That's 00:08:19.459 --> 00:08:20.620 what it is. I had to look it up. It's just a 00:08:20.620 --> 00:08:22.920 slur. Yeah, it's a D -Rog. It's kind of like 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.439 a D -Mark, a D -Rog. Yeah, okay. In the corporate 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:27.939 world, is that like a performance improvement 00:08:27.939 --> 00:08:30.100 plan? Is it like a PIP? That's kind of what I 00:08:30.100 --> 00:08:32.350 was thinking, yeah. It's just your... permanent 00:08:32.350 --> 00:08:34.330 record yeah it all goes down there they're gonna 00:08:34.330 --> 00:08:36.549 know when you apply for college that you were 00:08:36.549 --> 00:08:40.009 a bad cia spook and and so because he's a geek 00:08:40.009 --> 00:08:42.570 that can't uh get away from all this then he 00:08:42.570 --> 00:08:45.009 decides just to go to defense contractors doing 00:08:45.009 --> 00:08:48.110 kind of the same crap yeah uh which seemed a 00:08:48.110 --> 00:08:49.909 little weird yeah it's like i have a problem 00:08:49.909 --> 00:08:53.029 with what i do so i'll just do it somewhere else 00:08:53.029 --> 00:08:55.269 it's like what's what do you what do you think 00:08:55.269 --> 00:08:57.429 that's really gonna change i thought he was just 00:08:57.429 --> 00:09:01.600 like selling Oh, yeah. He was just like a salesman 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.139 or something. Yeah. Like teaching people the 00:09:04.139 --> 00:09:07.139 basics of what he did, not necessarily doing 00:09:07.139 --> 00:09:09.360 it. But that seems like a character flaw. Like, 00:09:09.379 --> 00:09:11.059 I don't like what I'm doing. Let's just double 00:09:11.059 --> 00:09:13.860 down and do it somewhere else. Yes. Which his 00:09:13.860 --> 00:09:16.039 girlfriend picks up on later. She's like, why 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.759 the fuck are you doing this? And actually jumping 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:21.740 way back to when they were first walking around 00:09:21.740 --> 00:09:25.389 in Washington, D .C. on their first meetup. I 00:09:25.389 --> 00:09:27.830 wasn't thinking about this as like a real true 00:09:27.830 --> 00:09:30.509 story. I was thinking about this as some cinematic. 00:09:30.570 --> 00:09:33.330 And all of a sudden I started getting the vibes 00:09:33.330 --> 00:09:36.190 from her that like, she's like a spy herself 00:09:36.190 --> 00:09:38.629 and this is all going to go sideways or something. 00:09:39.350 --> 00:09:42.429 It was really weird. Their first interactions. 00:09:42.570 --> 00:09:45.190 It made me feel like something weird was going 00:09:45.190 --> 00:09:48.990 on. I got the same vibe. I also like, she shows 00:09:48.990 --> 00:09:52.309 up with the camera and stuff. I'm like, she's. 00:09:53.100 --> 00:09:55.259 she's a double agent i've also been watching 00:09:55.259 --> 00:09:58.320 a lot of ponies so i got spy on the brain yeah 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:00.460 it definitely was something that didn't quite 00:10:00.460 --> 00:10:03.220 like flesh out throughout the whole movie like 00:10:03.220 --> 00:10:05.419 the like how willing he was to get his photo 00:10:05.419 --> 00:10:08.740 taken in the beginning versus in the end uh yeah 00:10:08.740 --> 00:10:12.559 it it doesn't get um as much to it as it probably 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:14.820 needs to to make it worth having in the film 00:10:14.820 --> 00:10:17.450 well and it felt like The whole relationship 00:10:17.450 --> 00:10:21.009 arc was so rushed. I mean, it felt like, are 00:10:21.009 --> 00:10:24.350 we on their first date and they're kissing? I 00:10:24.350 --> 00:10:27.110 mean, that doesn't generally happen. Listen, 00:10:27.149 --> 00:10:29.490 they both like the same anime. You can go straight 00:10:29.490 --> 00:10:31.929 to kissing. That's good. You have a point. You 00:10:31.929 --> 00:10:33.769 have a point. Some geek finder. I mean, come 00:10:33.769 --> 00:10:36.850 on. That's right. It's true. I got the impression 00:10:36.850 --> 00:10:41.210 that that was their only message. yeah like she 00:10:41.210 --> 00:10:44.230 ragged him he was like oh ha ha and then they're 00:10:44.230 --> 00:10:47.090 on a date like because when he's in the cafe 00:10:47.090 --> 00:10:49.990 those are still the only messages on that app 00:10:49.990 --> 00:10:54.070 hey shared interest man i bet he just did a screen 00:10:54.070 --> 00:10:57.210 capture to relive the moment as someone who's 00:10:57.210 --> 00:10:59.149 familiar with the dating apps now like that was 00:10:59.149 --> 00:11:02.720 a much simpler time There was that moment in 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:04.960 the coffee shop before she shows up and it like 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:07.379 the door opens and a woman walks in and I'm like, 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.039 oh, that's Lindsay Mills or whatever. And it's 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:13.740 not. Then it switches to her showing up, Shailene 00:11:13.740 --> 00:11:15.779 Woodley. But apparently the person that does 00:11:15.779 --> 00:11:18.080 walk through the door is Lindsay Mills, the real 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.320 one, like the real person. They just had her 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.220 do that for some reason. So there's that weird 00:11:22.220 --> 00:11:24.580 moment where it like holds on her crossing the 00:11:24.580 --> 00:11:25.980 coffee shop. And I was like, who the fuck is 00:11:25.980 --> 00:11:29.440 that? yeah bizarre i guess i guess she can travel 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:31.720 to uh wherever they were filming freely versus 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:35.399 uh mr stone who could not well yeah that's a 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.259 good point i was wondering throughout this entire 00:11:39.259 --> 00:11:40.980 movie and we do see it in the end but i'm like 00:11:40.980 --> 00:11:43.100 when are they actually just gonna switch to like 00:11:43.100 --> 00:11:44.820 showing us like the actual snowden when are they 00:11:44.820 --> 00:11:46.700 gonna do that little the camera trick to go from 00:11:46.700 --> 00:11:48.980 joseph gordon levitt to snowden i'm like and 00:11:48.980 --> 00:11:51.080 they did and i'm like damn Yeah, when they pull 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:53.899 off the movie screen theater in the end and Snowden's 00:11:53.899 --> 00:11:58.019 just sitting there applauding. Hell yeah. When 00:11:58.019 --> 00:12:00.559 when Freddie and the Scooby gang like take off 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:02.399 Joseph Gordon Levins mask and it's been Snowden 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.159 the whole time. Oh, yeah. And then they take 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:09.100 off that mask and it was Shia LaBeouf. It would 00:12:09.100 --> 00:12:12.220 be him. I will say the best part about this movie 00:12:12.220 --> 00:12:15.710 is Shia LaBeouf's not in it. Oh. I still love 00:12:15.710 --> 00:12:18.549 Shia LaBeouf. I say that about every movie Shia 00:12:18.549 --> 00:12:20.590 LaBeouf's not in. Because it is the best part 00:12:20.590 --> 00:12:22.830 of every movie he's not in. I fucking hate Shia 00:12:22.830 --> 00:12:25.830 LaBeouf. I don't like him as an actor, but I 00:12:25.830 --> 00:12:29.070 like him as a weirdo. He's a quality weirdo. 00:12:29.149 --> 00:12:32.250 I want Shia LaBeouf and Finn Wolfhard to fight 00:12:32.250 --> 00:12:36.549 to the death. And then I'll just beat up whoever's 00:12:36.549 --> 00:12:38.850 left after they're already mostly beaten to death. 00:12:39.169 --> 00:12:41.429 Alright, I'm going to circle right into this. 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:44.500 You think you could take on Shia LaBeouf in a 00:12:44.500 --> 00:12:47.559 fist fight? After he's been beaten nearly to 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:50.039 death? Maybe. You think Finn Wolfhard's going 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:52.419 to beat him nearly to death? He's going to be 00:12:52.419 --> 00:12:57.379 rock hard and covered in Wolfhard blood. And 00:12:57.379 --> 00:12:59.000 you're going to have to fight a fully erect, 00:12:59.299 --> 00:13:07.240 blood -soaked Shia LaBeouf. He'll be too slippery. 00:13:07.500 --> 00:13:08.600 You're right, I can't do this. Yeah, you won't 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:12.490 be able to hold on to him. I don't think this 00:13:12.490 --> 00:13:15.590 looks good for you, Sean. Nothing I say looks 00:13:15.590 --> 00:13:17.950 good for me. I'm going to put it on your tombstone, 00:13:17.950 --> 00:13:21.090 too. He was beaten to death by a rock hard, blood 00:13:21.090 --> 00:13:24.990 soaked Shia LaBeouf. Like we always knew he would 00:13:24.990 --> 00:13:27.509 be. Yeah, exactly. As it was foretold. You called 00:13:27.509 --> 00:13:31.649 your shot. This is you from the plate pointing 00:13:31.649 --> 00:13:34.309 to. the wall for the home run. This is this is 00:13:34.309 --> 00:13:37.690 it. I don't die. But you know what? It is my 00:13:37.690 --> 00:13:40.009 one wish to die in a real funny way. So that'll 00:13:40.009 --> 00:13:42.269 count. There you go. Well, I just know that he 00:13:42.269 --> 00:13:44.230 hasn't been doing a lot of acting lately, so 00:13:44.230 --> 00:13:48.590 he might be able to use 50 bucks. And if 50 bucks 00:13:48.590 --> 00:13:51.450 will do it, Shia LaBeouf, I got 50 bucks right 00:13:51.450 --> 00:13:55.889 now in a bucket of blood. Are you like just restarting 00:13:55.889 --> 00:13:57.769 bum fights or something? What's going on here? 00:13:57.789 --> 00:13:59.549 I'd be pretty cool, but I would just be offering 00:13:59.549 --> 00:14:03.889 liquor then. That's a good point. And sad. Yeah, 00:14:03.889 --> 00:14:06.649 Bumfights was sad. Yes. I mean, it's sad now. 00:14:07.289 --> 00:14:09.929 All right. So where were we? Lindsay Mills. Oh, 00:14:09.950 --> 00:14:13.429 I don't know. So we're back now. We're working 00:14:13.429 --> 00:14:15.909 contract work. The movie takes way too long. 00:14:16.269 --> 00:14:18.149 It is. It's kind of a long movie. Was it two 00:14:18.149 --> 00:14:21.570 hours, 10 to 14? I think the credits is 214. 00:14:21.570 --> 00:14:23.929 Yeah. There's a lot of noise in the middle that 00:14:23.929 --> 00:14:27.870 really does not need to be there. Yeah. Oh. Hold 00:14:27.870 --> 00:14:29.769 on. How about that noise at the end when they 00:14:29.769 --> 00:14:34.070 do the musical recap of it? That end song. It 00:14:34.070 --> 00:14:36.169 was about the Snowden thing. Oh, my God. That 00:14:36.169 --> 00:14:39.250 he wrote for this movie. Yeah. Peter fucking 00:14:39.250 --> 00:14:43.129 Gabriel singing the Snowden like recap theme. 00:14:43.210 --> 00:14:46.490 The veil. Oh, my God. I missed that. I turned 00:14:46.490 --> 00:14:48.490 that off. I was just. Oh, Sean, go back and listen 00:14:48.490 --> 00:14:51.590 to that. It's so bad. We watched the entire credits 00:14:51.590 --> 00:14:55.009 just to listen to the whole song. There's an 00:14:55.009 --> 00:14:59.649 ocean. I was going to make my normal joke about 00:14:59.649 --> 00:15:01.190 how they made a rap about it and they fucking 00:15:01.190 --> 00:15:04.809 did. And I missed it. Yes. It's actually a slow 00:15:04.809 --> 00:15:06.470 jam. It's something you could fuck to. You could 00:15:06.470 --> 00:15:10.350 fuck to it for sure. Would you want to? No. Is 00:15:10.350 --> 00:15:14.190 it worth trying? Maybe. Is Shia LaBeouf there 00:15:14.190 --> 00:15:17.370 in the cuck chair? Yeah. Rock hard. Rock hard. 00:15:17.490 --> 00:15:21.679 Covered in blood. Shia LaBeouf. Okay. So. contract 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.600 work it's contract work uh and that just carries 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:27.580 on all the way until what he does a really good 00:15:27.580 --> 00:15:31.899 job at the the backup program and then and then 00:15:31.899 --> 00:15:34.340 they they offer him a promotion to go to hawaii 00:15:34.340 --> 00:15:38.659 and that creates what conflict uh with uh that 00:15:38.659 --> 00:15:42.120 seizure well yeah there's that the seizure happens 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:46.740 i think before he's honest about the hawaii job 00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:49.720 or did it happen no it happened right after he 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:52.620 told her right after he said the about the hawaii 00:15:52.620 --> 00:15:55.480 job then he fell over in the kitchen right because 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:57.519 then there was the belief of like oh maybe a 00:15:57.519 --> 00:15:59.639 warm relaxing environment would help with all 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:02.799 of this yeah sure so we should go to hawaii and 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:07.000 it just got worse and there he just gets what 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.559 super deep into uh the cauldron and realizes 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:12.860 that they have access to pretty much everything. 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:15.559 And are using his tool that he developed for 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.460 shit reasons. Yeah, and they're monitoring like 00:16:18.460 --> 00:16:21.580 seven times more Americans than they are like 00:16:21.580 --> 00:16:25.639 Russians or other foreign peoples. dhs is awesome 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:28.919 well and then and then the the the subtle hints 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:33.440 from people uh about them watching him and his 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:35.419 girlfriend or watching the girlfriend and keeping 00:16:35.419 --> 00:16:39.059 the eyes on her that really sent him uh scrambling 00:16:39.059 --> 00:16:41.840 which rightfully so yeah like his father figured 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:43.700 telling him that like yeah your girlfriend's 00:16:43.700 --> 00:16:46.940 not fucking that guy yeah yeah that makes me 00:16:46.940 --> 00:16:48.879 feel super comfortable knowing that you know 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.690 that buddy yeah You just have that as like on 00:16:52.690 --> 00:16:55.330 hand information. OK, that scene, though, I did 00:16:55.330 --> 00:16:58.029 really like that with the video call between 00:16:58.029 --> 00:17:00.309 his boss, Corbin O 'Brien. Oh, the whole wall 00:17:00.309 --> 00:17:02.950 and like the wall. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's just 00:17:02.950 --> 00:17:05.950 this giant fucking head. Yeah. Leading into the 00:17:05.950 --> 00:17:08.750 camera while while being the big head. That one, 00:17:08.809 --> 00:17:10.710 it was pretty tense, especially because he is 00:17:10.710 --> 00:17:12.490 being like, yeah, we are motherfucking watching 00:17:12.490 --> 00:17:14.930 you like we see everything you're doing, dude. 00:17:15.029 --> 00:17:19.099 Yeah. Yeah, you really had the sense that that 00:17:19.099 --> 00:17:22.279 Corbin was aware that he took up an entire wall 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:25.119 and that by leaning into the camera, he was like 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.980 filling the whole wall because it yeah, it felt 00:17:27.980 --> 00:17:30.980 very intimidating. And then it's around this 00:17:30.980 --> 00:17:34.740 time when he's really starting to, I think, turn 00:17:34.740 --> 00:17:38.400 and and start to show signs of like, I'm thinking 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:40.460 about defecting. I'm thinking about doing something 00:17:40.460 --> 00:17:43.619 else. I'm thinking about trying to shine a light 00:17:43.619 --> 00:17:47.930 on all this. And so then what? They're at the 00:17:47.930 --> 00:17:51.670 house party and he's starting to ask people about 00:17:51.670 --> 00:17:54.269 the Nuremberg trials and talk about it. What 00:17:54.269 --> 00:17:57.029 do you think an NSA house party is really like? 00:17:57.109 --> 00:17:59.069 Just a bunch of agents and their wives and stuff. 00:17:59.289 --> 00:18:02.210 And like nobody talks about work, but they somehow 00:18:02.210 --> 00:18:05.269 still get really drunk. And it's got to be like 00:18:05.269 --> 00:18:07.569 a key party situation. Oh, my God. But like the 00:18:07.569 --> 00:18:09.690 one guy was talking about work. Yeah, he was 00:18:09.690 --> 00:18:11.269 sitting there just running his mouth about killing 00:18:11.269 --> 00:18:13.490 the families and bombing the children and all 00:18:13.490 --> 00:18:16.869 of this. Yeah. All right. So these parties rip. 00:18:17.069 --> 00:18:20.869 That's cool. Well, I thought it was weird that 00:18:20.869 --> 00:18:23.269 they just had like, I mean, a drone just like 00:18:23.269 --> 00:18:24.710 flying above the party. I'm like, that doesn't 00:18:24.710 --> 00:18:27.049 seem that's got a camera on it. That doesn't 00:18:27.049 --> 00:18:29.480 seem secure. Who's is that? Who's controlling 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.920 that? Well, to me, though, you place it in the 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:37.180 time frame of reality. Right. So about that time 00:18:37.180 --> 00:18:39.660 is when drones were becoming more popular in 00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:43.420 the public space. Right. So people were getting 00:18:43.420 --> 00:18:46.559 drones for Christmas. People were getting drones 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:50.259 to play with. So they're like new on the scene. 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:52.900 So it was new technology, something new for your 00:18:52.900 --> 00:18:56.099 average person to play with. So it felt like. 00:18:56.670 --> 00:18:58.549 Something the government had had for a really 00:18:58.549 --> 00:19:01.789 long time. All these guys knew what it was and 00:19:01.789 --> 00:19:05.450 they were absolutely not concerned about it because 00:19:05.450 --> 00:19:09.529 they already knew. Gross. I mean, I just think 00:19:09.529 --> 00:19:15.390 more of it as if it was my job to give the government 00:19:15.390 --> 00:19:19.710 people to blow up with drones. I think if I was 00:19:19.710 --> 00:19:20.869 just at a house party and someone just had a 00:19:20.869 --> 00:19:22.450 drone, that would just remind me of the horrible 00:19:22.450 --> 00:19:24.740 things I do and make me uncomfortable. Well, 00:19:24.779 --> 00:19:27.640 so throughout the movie, we bounce back from 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:32.000 past to the present tense in the movie where 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.660 they're in the hotel room in Hong Kong. I don't 00:19:34.660 --> 00:19:37.400 know. We're in the hotel room and he's like trying 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:40.640 to get everything live and all the stories broken. 00:19:41.380 --> 00:19:44.579 Right. So he's stolen the data in like the most 00:19:44.579 --> 00:19:48.680 annoying drag and drop file copying. That was 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:55.140 so bad. I would like who? I'm sorry. I have done 00:19:55.140 --> 00:19:59.640 so much drag and drop in my career, and the fact 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.980 that he did it that way was so annoying. Like, 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.940 you don't do that. You don't do that. Especially 00:20:06.940 --> 00:20:09.599 for someone whose job is working at the command 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:11.279 line on a terminal. Totally. That just feels 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:13.779 a little backwards. Like, he's going to script 00:20:13.779 --> 00:20:16.900 and automate everything. Yeah, that was probably 00:20:16.900 --> 00:20:20.630 just... shot that way for dummies who don't yeah 00:20:20.630 --> 00:20:22.789 it's just for the drama yeah yeah who have no 00:20:22.789 --> 00:20:24.950 idea how that stuff actually works yeah perhaps 00:20:24.950 --> 00:20:29.210 to lean into his claim that he left a uh a very 00:20:29.210 --> 00:20:32.829 obvious trail to himself so that his peers back 00:20:32.829 --> 00:20:35.230 there don't get in any trouble so that it shows 00:20:35.230 --> 00:20:37.849 that he had no accomplices or anything so maybe 00:20:37.849 --> 00:20:40.170 it was some lean into that i don't know i don't 00:20:40.170 --> 00:20:44.480 know it's frustrating I know there were a couple 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:46.160 of people complaining on the Internet about like 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:47.799 certain aspects, and that's one that got like 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:49.500 the biggest complaints. And the other one was 00:20:49.500 --> 00:20:51.400 like, that wasn't a cray one that he saw with 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:56.359 Nick Cage. That was a cray two. Fucking dork. 00:20:56.519 --> 00:21:01.740 Yeah. Nobody cares. Apparently. Some people do. 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:07.539 Some people do. Oh, man. Yeah. So. it just kind 00:21:07.539 --> 00:21:10.039 of exists in like the movie in like two time 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:12.500 lines where they flash back and forth where he's 00:21:12.500 --> 00:21:15.900 talking to the reporters in the the current times 00:21:15.900 --> 00:21:18.980 of like dealing out this information and then 00:21:18.980 --> 00:21:21.539 like the recounting of the story it kind of comes 00:21:21.539 --> 00:21:24.660 to the end of the film right just uh finishing 00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:26.880 up this whole like getting the information out 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.140 getting it to the guardian and like pushing for 00:21:30.140 --> 00:21:32.059 all this to get released and then you know kind 00:21:32.059 --> 00:21:36.150 of the wrap -up of uh fucking him having to go 00:21:36.150 --> 00:21:40.089 to russia and now having citizenship there yeah 00:21:40.089 --> 00:21:43.390 um that's kind of that's all that i think we 00:21:43.390 --> 00:21:45.650 really need to know except for who is nicholas 00:21:45.650 --> 00:21:47.470 cage in this film we've talked about the whole 00:21:47.470 --> 00:21:49.970 film and we only like mentioned nicholas cage 00:21:49.970 --> 00:21:54.829 once now nicholas cage plays fictional x cia 00:21:54.829 --> 00:21:58.250 x s you know or is he fictional I don't think 00:21:58.250 --> 00:22:02.470 he's a real guy. I didn't zero like history into 00:22:02.470 --> 00:22:04.390 this. Yeah. Hank Forrester is the character. 00:22:04.450 --> 00:22:06.690 I did a mild Google. He's not, yeah, not a real 00:22:06.690 --> 00:22:08.230 person. He was just, I mean, I'm sure he had 00:22:08.230 --> 00:22:11.410 like an amalgamation of that character that existed 00:22:11.410 --> 00:22:14.190 in Snowden's life, but yeah. I mean, it's not 00:22:14.190 --> 00:22:16.529 like he was an important person in his story 00:22:16.529 --> 00:22:20.470 at all. So he's in like three scenes, but he 00:22:20.470 --> 00:22:22.869 does have perhaps one of the best lines of the 00:22:22.869 --> 00:22:25.369 movie. You've come to the right little whorehouse. 00:22:25.650 --> 00:22:28.470 Indeed, indeed. Yeah. I was going to say, when 00:22:28.470 --> 00:22:30.970 Snowden's just waxing poetically about how much 00:22:30.970 --> 00:22:32.789 he doesn't have a girlfriend, that he just loves 00:22:32.789 --> 00:22:35.490 computers. Yeah, that's his drug of choice. That's 00:22:35.490 --> 00:22:38.130 his drug of choice. I don't drink. I don't do 00:22:38.130 --> 00:22:43.470 any drugs. I just love these computers. I really 00:22:43.470 --> 00:22:46.329 liked it at the end when Snowden's on the news 00:22:46.329 --> 00:22:48.410 and all the reports are coming out and Nick Cage 00:22:48.410 --> 00:22:50.230 is just sitting in his armchair drinking a beer 00:22:50.230 --> 00:22:54.859 and smoking a cigarette. He did it. He fucking 00:22:54.859 --> 00:23:00.519 did it. He calls his wife in or some shit. He's 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:05.579 like, look it, look it. It's that guy I met seven 00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:08.680 years ago. He's on the TV. He did it. He's spilling 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:10.880 the beans about all those things we do that I 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:13.299 never told you about. By the way, this was my 00:23:13.299 --> 00:23:17.599 life. This is how we paid for this house. The 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:19.880 government has so much footage of us having sex. 00:23:20.059 --> 00:23:23.039 Oh, yeah. Nice. Only if your laptop's open. That's 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:26.140 true. Yeah. Without a bandaid over the camera. 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.640 Yeah. Or a little privacy screen. Yeah. I know. 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.279 Yeah. When I worked at the salt company. the 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:36.579 ceo he came by at one point he was just like 00:23:36.579 --> 00:23:38.660 everybody cover up your cameras and he gave us 00:23:38.660 --> 00:23:40.440 all those little like camera protector things 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:42.460 the slidey ones and he's like because people 00:23:42.460 --> 00:23:44.759 are watching yeah it's like oh i think you're 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.579 having an episode right now but no no not not 00:23:48.579 --> 00:23:52.119 having an episode no a lot of modern laptops 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:53.900 just have a built -in physical shutter you can 00:23:53.900 --> 00:23:56.799 close now as well yeah yeah there was a reason 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:01.589 for that yeah It was absolutely true that they 00:24:01.589 --> 00:24:04.930 could remote into your laptop or your phone and 00:24:04.930 --> 00:24:07.089 activate your camera without having the light 00:24:07.089 --> 00:24:11.130 on and watch you. That's so fucking creepy. I 00:24:11.130 --> 00:24:13.509 don't know. I'm sure the technology still exists, 00:24:13.549 --> 00:24:16.730 but I have not heard of instances of it happening. 00:24:16.750 --> 00:24:21.230 It's all pretty creepy. Yes. Yes. Welcome to 00:24:21.230 --> 00:24:23.890 data privacy. I'm going to start whacking off 00:24:23.890 --> 00:24:25.849 in front of ring cams now. Every ring cam, right? 00:24:26.009 --> 00:24:28.829 Every ring cam I see. Motion detected. Just one 00:24:28.829 --> 00:24:31.410 big butthole shot from me. I'm going to bring 00:24:31.410 --> 00:24:34.750 a stool to stand on. Your only fan page is on 00:24:34.750 --> 00:24:41.569 Flock. Palantir. In favor of the best. So this 00:24:41.569 --> 00:24:43.549 is a good time then, Elizabeth. Let's talk more 00:24:43.549 --> 00:24:45.650 about the data privacy aspects of it all. What 00:24:45.650 --> 00:24:51.119 can you bring to the table? I will say it's worse 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:54.380 now. The amount of data that is collected on 00:24:54.380 --> 00:24:59.700 your average person is exponentially more than 00:24:59.700 --> 00:25:02.339 what was collected at the time of this movie. 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:05.359 And it's not just the government, right? Like 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:11.339 data brokers are a thing and corporations, the 00:25:11.339 --> 00:25:14.380 amount of data that is collected. That's why 00:25:14.380 --> 00:25:16.880 we need giant data centers. It's not just AI. 00:25:17.819 --> 00:25:21.579 It's every moment that you spend online, every 00:25:21.579 --> 00:25:25.259 transaction you make. And you might think like, 00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:29.019 oh, I clicked on this app on my phone, right? 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:31.240 So if you have an app on your phone, they're 00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:34.140 not just knowing that you clicked on that app. 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:36.680 They know where the app lives on your phone screen. 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.859 They know if you have location services turned 00:25:39.859 --> 00:25:43.779 on, they know where you were in the world when 00:25:43.779 --> 00:25:46.680 you clicked on that app, right? And not just 00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:50.400 that. If you're clicking on that app and you 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:52.680 have location services turned on, which is why 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.819 in data privacy, we say, turn it off. Don't allow 00:25:56.819 --> 00:25:59.299 this stuff. But then how do I watch my boys dots? 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:02.799 I need to know where Freeman and Nick are at 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:04.799 all times. You can turn it on for certain things, 00:26:04.819 --> 00:26:07.279 but like your average app, you don't want to 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:10.039 allow location services. So if I click on an 00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:13.619 app and I am in a location, the app knows where 00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:16.859 I'm at. depending on their marketing services, 00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:20.819 they can also know all of the marketing that 00:26:20.819 --> 00:26:24.400 I am being exposed to in the real world. Geolocation, 00:26:24.619 --> 00:26:27.819 what else am I looking at? What I could possibly 00:26:27.819 --> 00:26:31.099 be looking at? Hot singles near you. Yeah, yeah. 00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:36.640 And that's where they kind of get the marketing 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:41.039 dialed down for each person, right? So it's all 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.559 to sell you stuff. I mean, that's one thing I 00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:46.299 found about this film watching it. I'm just like, 00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:50.579 this all seems so quaint now. This is terrible 00:26:50.579 --> 00:26:53.339 and terrifying that this was happening, but this 00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:56.470 all seems so. so quaint and innocent compared 00:26:56.470 --> 00:26:59.289 to like the capitalist hellscape we now live 00:26:59.289 --> 00:27:01.450 in yeah the dorks have gotten real good at it 00:27:01.450 --> 00:27:04.529 even just uh the proliferation of smartphones 00:27:04.529 --> 00:27:06.470 and i think it's the apps and the integrations 00:27:06.470 --> 00:27:09.190 there right the the timeline of this film you 00:27:09.190 --> 00:27:11.589 know the iphone wasn't released until 2007 so 00:27:11.589 --> 00:27:14.650 that's only kind of the second half of of this 00:27:14.650 --> 00:27:17.690 collection of information and it's only become 00:27:17.690 --> 00:27:20.849 richer and more robust uh painting a picture 00:27:20.849 --> 00:27:24.049 about us and i think Back to the data privacy, 00:27:24.250 --> 00:27:26.549 really what we start marching towards potentially 00:27:26.549 --> 00:27:30.329 are markets of one, which is whoever's selling 00:27:30.329 --> 00:27:32.430 you something knows enough about you that they 00:27:32.430 --> 00:27:35.609 can give you an individualized price. And that 00:27:35.609 --> 00:27:38.970 could be a very bad thing. Let's say it's determined 00:27:38.970 --> 00:27:41.789 that you had a loved one die in Ohio. And so 00:27:41.789 --> 00:27:43.390 they're pretty clear that you're going to be 00:27:43.390 --> 00:27:45.589 trying to fly to Ohio. They're not going to show 00:27:45.589 --> 00:27:47.869 you any discounted tickets to go to Ohio because 00:27:47.869 --> 00:27:51.190 they know that your aunt just died. So you would 00:27:51.190 --> 00:27:53.750 have to ask a friend to go book airfare for me 00:27:53.750 --> 00:27:56.170 if you want to see the real flight prices, because 00:27:56.170 --> 00:27:58.329 if you go searching, you're only going to see 00:27:58.329 --> 00:28:02.009 inflated prices. If they're not also tracking 00:28:02.009 --> 00:28:04.349 whether or not your friends are looking at the 00:28:04.349 --> 00:28:06.789 same thing that you're looking at, right? Yeah, 00:28:06.849 --> 00:28:10.009 that's where it gets. Yeah, and that's they hit 00:28:10.009 --> 00:28:11.730 on the movie a little bit about like, oh, you 00:28:11.730 --> 00:28:13.230 have this one person that you're tracking and 00:28:13.230 --> 00:28:15.069 then you one jump from them and it gives you 00:28:15.069 --> 00:28:17.309 like three hops and three hops. Yeah, it's like, 00:28:17.329 --> 00:28:22.569 holy fuck. Yeah, yeah. Nick, Nick, we're losing 00:28:22.569 --> 00:28:26.190 Bill. Make a dick joke. Well, this whole time 00:28:26.190 --> 00:28:27.730 I've just been thinking that I'm going to make 00:28:27.730 --> 00:28:31.509 a move back to hard copy pornography, just magazines 00:28:31.509 --> 00:28:34.609 and VHS tapes because I can't trust DVD players 00:28:34.609 --> 00:28:36.390 now either. A lot of them hook up to the Internet. 00:28:36.859 --> 00:28:42.160 like i mean sure the quality is better but everybody's 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.799 gonna know you only need the audio it worked 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:47.859 for me for a long time when i was younger i've 00:28:47.859 --> 00:28:50.440 actually been making my own audio for years so 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:53.880 just put it on mute i'm like oh oh yeah yeah 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.720 that's that's how you do it girl in my mind this 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.599 is nick horn that is how you do it girl does 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.279 anyone ever like think about the lost art of 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.829 like over like there used to be just a job to 00:29:05.829 --> 00:29:08.109 like overdub moans and stuff in porn. And like, 00:29:08.170 --> 00:29:10.410 that's a lost art now. How do you think they 00:29:10.410 --> 00:29:17.970 made the fuck sounds? And then with a little 00:29:17.970 --> 00:29:20.210 spit in there too. Yeah. All right. This feels 00:29:20.210 --> 00:29:22.609 back to like episodes one, two or three of us 00:29:22.609 --> 00:29:25.890 recording this podcast. I mean, okay. How much 00:29:25.890 --> 00:29:28.190 roast beef do you think you need to be like a 00:29:28.190 --> 00:29:33.240 porno Foley artist? Just get that meat slapping 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:38.480 sound. Yeah. Yeah. It's the most versatile pornographic 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.859 of luncheon meats. You get audio from it. You 00:29:41.859 --> 00:29:44.279 can do macro photography with it. I think you 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.319 can do it a lot better like spanking a ham hock 00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:50.420 or something. I fucking spank a ham hock all 00:29:50.420 --> 00:29:53.940 the time. I mean, like thinking about it, I don't 00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:58.019 know that roast beef is actually. the right meat 00:29:58.019 --> 00:29:59.599 to use. I don't think it would be either. It's 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.319 pretty dry meat. Would you be a little thin? 00:30:02.420 --> 00:30:04.119 A little thin. It gives you the right visual, 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:06.019 but not the audio. Right, right. I mean, you 00:30:06.019 --> 00:30:07.839 need something thicker so that you actually get 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.000 the... Slap? The sound. A little jiggle. That's 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.720 why I thought ham hock. That's a nice mortadella. 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.640 You know, well, yeah. Would you want it to be 00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.940 like, have like the moist sound component with 00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:23.359 it too, right? Yeah, I think turkey breast would 00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:25.200 be good. Turkey's probably a good call. A good 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:30.650 thick cut. Like brined in like a saltwater solution. 00:30:31.130 --> 00:30:38.910 Turkey breast. Hormel. Genio. Hormel. Thanks, 00:30:39.569 --> 00:30:44.309 Freeman. Oh, man. I needed that in my life. He 00:30:44.309 --> 00:30:46.950 does what he can. Yeah. This is why he's a returning 00:30:46.950 --> 00:30:52.170 guest. Yeah, we know what we get. Nick Cage was 00:30:52.170 --> 00:30:55.190 great. Yeah, I think all seven of his lines were 00:30:55.190 --> 00:30:57.650 delivered perfectly. He was fine. So this was 00:30:57.650 --> 00:31:00.609 my thought going in, like after watching the 00:31:00.609 --> 00:31:02.930 film and going into this, like, did it need to 00:31:02.930 --> 00:31:04.650 be Nick Cage? I like that it was. That's why 00:31:04.650 --> 00:31:06.529 we watched it. But like, does he actually add 00:31:06.529 --> 00:31:11.250 anything to the film? No, artistically, no. I 00:31:11.250 --> 00:31:13.769 don't think it made the fictional character in 00:31:13.769 --> 00:31:17.880 the dramatized biofilm better. So it always begs 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:19.220 the question then, you know, this is what Sean 00:31:19.220 --> 00:31:20.359 and I were talking about the other day. It's 00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.440 like, why did he do this movie? Right. Like I 00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:25.319 tried to look up an interview or anything and 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.980 I, I couldn't find anything from him, but prevailing 00:31:27.980 --> 00:31:30.700 theory is just work with Oliver Stone. Yeah. 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:32.680 I mean, cause he had done nine 11 with Oliver 00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:36.200 Stone. Um, so I blocked that one out of my brain. 00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:44.839 Nick Cage did nine 11. Uh, so yeah. Uh, so he 00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.190 did that one. I'm sure it was just like, Let's 00:31:47.190 --> 00:31:49.049 be, you know, I'm going to help my buddy out 00:31:49.049 --> 00:31:50.930 one way or the other. I'm not sure who needed 00:31:50.930 --> 00:31:54.190 the help at that point. But I think he had an 00:31:54.190 --> 00:31:59.369 idea of like the type of agent he would be. And 00:31:59.369 --> 00:32:03.609 then that's what he put into the movie. So one 00:32:03.609 --> 00:32:07.430 of my biggest grapes about this movie was the 00:32:07.430 --> 00:32:11.210 smoking in the federal building around all of 00:32:11.210 --> 00:32:14.450 the equipment. That's great, too. Oh, I just 00:32:14.450 --> 00:32:18.500 I was. I just went off at the end of the movie. 00:32:18.619 --> 00:32:23.039 Like, why? Why? Smoking? So I looked it up. There 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:26.440 was a federal ban on smoking in buildings in 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:32.079 1997. This movie starts in 2004. But then you 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:33.839 don't have the drama of the cigarette smoking. 00:32:35.339 --> 00:32:39.900 2004 is when he he started trying to army in 00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:43.480 the army. I wasn't trying to. I was just trying 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.500 to think about when I was not allowed to smoke 00:32:45.500 --> 00:32:51.019 indoors in Oregon anymore. Yeah. I was 21, 22. 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.140 Yeah. Here in Washington, it was like 2005 or 00:32:54.140 --> 00:32:57.099 six. Yeah. Yeah. Because I did a bowling league 00:32:57.099 --> 00:33:00.779 in Ballard in 2004 and it was very. Sunset Bowl. 00:33:00.940 --> 00:33:03.700 Yeah. Oh, yeah. I miss Sunset Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. 00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.900 So did I. It was a good league. Yeah. We had 00:33:06.900 --> 00:33:12.180 a free pool Bloody Mary club on Sundays. because 00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:15.019 it was like $1 .75 Bloody Marys. They were like 00:33:15.019 --> 00:33:17.019 little half ones, but free pool. And we just 00:33:17.019 --> 00:33:19.160 hang out, smoke cigarettes and drink Bloody Marys. 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.200 It was great. But why would you be smoking around 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.680 all of that historical equipment? Well, I mean, 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.480 it was a pretty old bar, but I don't know. It's 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.980 in the movie. I'm back to the movie. I'm no longer 00:33:31.980 --> 00:33:34.920 talking about your history. I'm thinking about 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:38.450 the movie and my irritation. I just think of 00:33:38.450 --> 00:33:41.450 old school geeks and just smoking and working 00:33:41.450 --> 00:33:44.450 16 hours a day and like that they lived on cigarettes. 00:33:44.609 --> 00:33:47.789 I agree, but it's not in the federal buildings. 00:33:48.130 --> 00:33:50.990 I would agree. I think it's kind of fucking weird. 00:33:51.170 --> 00:33:53.789 It took me out to have shot it that way. Yeah, 00:33:53.789 --> 00:33:56.049 it took me out of the time frame. I was like, 00:33:56.069 --> 00:33:59.609 what are we in the 70s or in the 80s now? Like 00:33:59.609 --> 00:34:02.619 this just. I don't know. When we started at Washington 00:34:02.619 --> 00:34:04.599 Mutual, there was still a smoking room inside. 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.920 And this was in 2002, 2001. And there was still 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.239 a couple of offices that the people had finally 00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:12.659 retired, but they had like grandfathered claws 00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:15.420 to smoke in their own office. And when those 00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:17.880 people left, like they had a heavy scrub and 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:20.360 whoever got it next was just like very upset. 00:34:20.460 --> 00:34:23.239 Like, this is not OK. It is baked in at that 00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:24.820 point. Yeah. You don't get rid of that smell. 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.500 No. Yeah. No. That's in everything. Yeah. Yeah. 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:29.420 Never leaves. Oh, yeah. No. We used to like a 00:34:29.420 --> 00:34:32.869 ghost. Yeah. Yes. Before it was banned, I had 00:34:32.869 --> 00:34:35.230 like jackets and stuff like this is my bar jacket 00:34:35.230 --> 00:34:38.789 because I wasn't a smoker. And yeah. Yeah. Do 00:34:38.789 --> 00:34:41.610 you think the Atlanta airport still has that 00:34:41.610 --> 00:34:44.030 indoor smoking room? Does Vegas still have the 00:34:44.030 --> 00:34:47.139 cubes? in like the middle of the uh las vegas 00:34:47.139 --> 00:34:49.099 had those big smoking cubes in the middle of 00:34:49.099 --> 00:34:53.079 the terminals yeah i don't recall seeing those 00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:56.739 any any time they did uh when there was the weather 00:34:56.739 --> 00:34:59.360 storm or whatever it was a snowstorm yeah like 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:03.119 four or five years ago yeah uh las vegas well 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.059 a snowstorm in denver well here we got we got 00:35:06.059 --> 00:35:08.039 detoured through vegas come on i'm a simple man 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.280 you gotta let me know we were visiting my family 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.300 in colorado oh okay and there was a huge snowstorm 00:35:14.059 --> 00:35:17.500 And we couldn't get home. And then finally, we 00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:21.119 we went to Vegas for a layover. We were there 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:25.300 for like five hours or something. Yeah. So we 00:35:25.300 --> 00:35:27.980 wandered the airport, noticed lots of things. 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.280 We walked everywhere without leaving security 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.980 that we could. Yeah, that's true. I spend as 00:35:32.980 --> 00:35:35.400 little time in the Vegas airport as possible. 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:39.320 Yeah, it's not a very fun one. Yeah, I similar 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.400 to Freeman. I end up going to the airport earlier 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:44.840 than I need to be usually because I'm a little 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.059 stressed out about traveling. I ain't got a family. 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:49.599 I mean, the Vegas airport is fucking terrible 00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:53.559 to spend time in. So this didn't happen on our 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:55.420 last Vegas trip. But when Peter and I did the 00:35:55.420 --> 00:35:57.739 Vegas half marathon with Bill, Peter and I went 00:35:57.739 --> 00:36:00.179 to the airport. My flight was about 30 minutes 00:36:00.179 --> 00:36:04.719 after Peter's. Peter gets on, gets an upgrade. 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.719 Yeah. I got first class. And my flight is delayed 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:15.380 three hours. God is good. I'm so mad about it. 00:36:16.659 --> 00:36:19.760 Yeah. Okay. So overall, what are the thoughts 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.179 about this movie? Like I watched it. I liked 00:36:22.179 --> 00:36:25.579 it. I felt tense through it. It was too long. 00:36:25.699 --> 00:36:28.699 I was worried that it was going to be a slow. 00:36:29.389 --> 00:36:32.090 burn a slog and i was i enjoyed the whole thing 00:36:32.090 --> 00:36:35.030 front to back i didn't there were parts of it 00:36:35.030 --> 00:36:36.849 that i'm like we didn't need but none of it felt 00:36:36.849 --> 00:36:38.809 like none of it took me out of it none of it 00:36:38.809 --> 00:36:40.670 bored me um the only thing that really took me 00:36:40.670 --> 00:36:43.829 out of it there were two things one was the overuse 00:36:43.829 --> 00:36:46.030 of music cues to like try and amp up the drama 00:36:46.030 --> 00:36:47.949 i'm like this could have just had a silent background 00:36:47.949 --> 00:36:49.929 and i would not and i wouldn't have thought twice 00:36:49.929 --> 00:36:51.949 about it but because we got this sappy ass music 00:36:51.949 --> 00:36:53.929 here i'm thinking about that shitty music and 00:36:53.929 --> 00:36:56.699 now i'm kind of like meh i care it wasn't that 00:36:56.699 --> 00:37:01.019 sad and then just every scene just had background 00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:03.619 music for no reason yeah and the second thing 00:37:03.619 --> 00:37:05.539 that really took me out of the film was joseph 00:37:05.539 --> 00:37:07.860 gordon levitt um i think he's a great actor i 00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:10.480 think he was great in this i just can't not see 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:12.820 him like i never see him disappear in a role 00:37:12.820 --> 00:37:15.000 it's just here's joseph gordon levitt and that's 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.059 a personal thing but i find him distracting Was 00:37:19.059 --> 00:37:20.619 he in Looper or was that Shia LaBeouf? He was 00:37:20.619 --> 00:37:24.659 Looper. It could have been Shia LaBeouf. Sorry, 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.360 what if Shia LaBeouf had gotten the Snowden role? 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.760 Better or worse? Way worse. You sure about that? 00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:36.179 Way worse. Just do it! Leak the information! 00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:44.369 Do it! What did you guys think? Systems engineer 00:37:44.369 --> 00:37:47.690 guy myself. It's always fun to kind of see the 00:37:47.690 --> 00:37:50.750 super nerds and see them succeeding and racing 00:37:50.750 --> 00:37:55.449 forward and kind of getting praise for their 00:37:55.449 --> 00:38:01.110 abilities to do more than others. So that part, 00:38:01.170 --> 00:38:05.230 I really kind of appreciate it. And, you know, 00:38:05.230 --> 00:38:08.079 it makes you want to kind of be like them. How 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.539 true or not it was, I really appreciated the 00:38:10.539 --> 00:38:13.500 leaning into like the fact that Snowden just 00:38:13.500 --> 00:38:15.699 wanted to get the information out there and that 00:38:15.699 --> 00:38:19.260 he wasn't trying to be a hero or a villain or 00:38:19.260 --> 00:38:21.739 anything. He just felt like people needed to 00:38:21.739 --> 00:38:24.019 learn about this and come to their own conclusions. 00:38:25.070 --> 00:38:27.909 um and that it wasn't like a get rich thing or 00:38:27.909 --> 00:38:30.889 anything else and he wasn't trying to absolve 00:38:30.889 --> 00:38:32.630 for any sins or anything like that he's just 00:38:32.630 --> 00:38:35.349 like look like like this is going on people need 00:38:35.349 --> 00:38:38.349 to be aware that uh that this is happening and 00:38:38.349 --> 00:38:40.750 some of that almost makes me think you know maybe 00:38:40.750 --> 00:38:43.889 that might have some uh truth as to why or some 00:38:43.889 --> 00:38:45.829 explanation as to why you like nick cage might 00:38:45.829 --> 00:38:47.670 want to take a role in a movie like this like 00:38:47.670 --> 00:38:49.570 you wouldn't want to be part of telling that 00:38:49.570 --> 00:38:52.489 story right right real altruistic motivation 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:55.139 or you know it's always been presented that way 00:38:55.139 --> 00:38:58.340 yeah so yeah we really don't have much reason 00:38:58.340 --> 00:39:02.980 to doubt it like he he knew he was gonna be like 00:39:02.980 --> 00:39:05.239 never able to come back to america it also makes 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.000 you think though if he's such a good super nerd 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.440 like what good work has he been doing for russia 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:13.340 uh since he's been there yep yep it's fair yeah 00:39:13.340 --> 00:39:16.679 there's got to be some like back scratching like 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.139 i was just uh watching some interviews with oliver 00:39:19.139 --> 00:39:24.280 stone who you know met snowden worked with him 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.619 to make the movie and like interviewed him several 00:39:27.619 --> 00:39:31.579 times to like write the script and uh hearing 00:39:31.579 --> 00:39:34.360 him talk about edward snowden like when edward 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:36.940 snowden did this he didn't necessarily anticipate 00:39:36.940 --> 00:39:40.079 even living beyond this because his plan was 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.679 to get to south america and when he was laid 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.539 over in russia america like pulled his passport 00:39:45.539 --> 00:39:49.769 so he just can't leave he is stranded in In Russia, 00:39:49.849 --> 00:39:52.590 if he had made it to Brazil, do you think he 00:39:52.590 --> 00:39:55.329 would have gotten like a hot new face or a butt 00:39:55.329 --> 00:39:58.809 lift? Yeah. Yeah. Snowden with a big old Brazilian 00:39:58.809 --> 00:40:01.809 butt lift. But just fucking cake. Yeah, man. 00:40:02.010 --> 00:40:04.130 That'd be so cool. Lindsay Mills just bouncing 00:40:04.130 --> 00:40:07.789 on it. I'm burying her face in it because it's 00:40:07.789 --> 00:40:10.889 Brazil. Just do it. That's true. But Elizabeth, 00:40:11.090 --> 00:40:15.309 what did you think of this movie? I think for 00:40:15.309 --> 00:40:20.099 me. It brought back a lot of memories from when 00:40:20.099 --> 00:40:24.000 this actually happened. I didn't realize how 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:27.980 much this storyline actually affected my personal 00:40:27.980 --> 00:40:31.019 career. I mean, there was a lot of data privacy 00:40:31.019 --> 00:40:33.579 things already in the books, already happening. 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.219 GDPR was already, the General Data Protection 00:40:37.219 --> 00:40:40.679 Regulation, which is in the EU, better known 00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:48.840 as GDPR, was already underway. Legally codified. 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:52.940 Yes. Yet. But they were working on it. But his 00:40:52.940 --> 00:40:56.219 statements about where the government is deciding 00:40:56.219 --> 00:41:00.199 things on behalf of people, assuming that they 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:03.739 know what's best. And that's a storyline that's 00:41:03.739 --> 00:41:07.039 happening today. Right. Like, we know what's 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:08.920 best for you. We know what's best for you with 00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:13.059 your data. And most people just are not educated. 00:41:13.539 --> 00:41:16.519 So for me, it was like, yeah. That's still happening. 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:19.760 Still happening. And I honestly, I don't know 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.239 what the answer would be. It's a little complicated 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.179 and I don't think a lot of people really care. 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:28.940 Right. That whole line with like, well, I'm not 00:41:28.940 --> 00:41:31.199 doing anything so they can watch me. I've got 00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:33.260 nothing to hide. I've got nothing to hide. Right. 00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:37.019 Yeah. And you're just like, oh, if you only knew 00:41:37.019 --> 00:41:40.280 what they were doing with your data. But so, 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.099 you know, I think it's still a lot of the topics 00:41:43.099 --> 00:41:46.000 are still very relevant for today. The movie 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:50.400 overall, it was too long. It just felt so long. 00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:52.860 We paused an hour in and I was like, are you 00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:56.719 kidding me? There's an hour left of this movie. 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.320 And I feel like they really took their time with 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.739 the middle part of the movie, which I think could 00:42:03.739 --> 00:42:06.219 have been condensed. And they could have spent 00:42:06.219 --> 00:42:09.219 a little bit more time on him getting trapped 00:42:09.219 --> 00:42:11.650 in Moscow. And what happened with that and some 00:42:11.650 --> 00:42:14.989 of the the press and all of that and how people 00:42:14.989 --> 00:42:17.849 were actually reacting to what he did. I felt 00:42:17.849 --> 00:42:19.869 like that was really glossed over. Yeah, because 00:42:19.869 --> 00:42:22.849 he was fairly maligned in America after it happened. 00:42:22.909 --> 00:42:26.090 Like they kind of give you some broad strokes 00:42:26.090 --> 00:42:30.809 of like, oh, you know, he he's a bad human being, 00:42:30.949 --> 00:42:34.329 says Obama and things like that. Yeah. But it 00:42:34.329 --> 00:42:37.130 doesn't really kind of give you the full feeling 00:42:37.130 --> 00:42:41.110 of. what the general conversation about him was 00:42:41.110 --> 00:42:44.070 in mainstream media. Like, how did he feel about 00:42:44.070 --> 00:42:46.869 getting trapped in Moscow? How did he feel about 00:42:46.869 --> 00:42:50.989 having to make a new life there? Like, what did 00:42:50.989 --> 00:42:53.969 Lindsay feel about him getting trapped there? 00:42:54.389 --> 00:42:58.010 Right. Like that was missing. If you really want 00:42:58.010 --> 00:43:01.769 me to connect with them and the story, give me 00:43:01.769 --> 00:43:04.170 a little bit more about how they feel about where 00:43:04.170 --> 00:43:07.420 they are now that that was missing. I could use 00:43:07.420 --> 00:43:11.579 a follow up. Yeah. Him with a single tear. Just 00:43:11.579 --> 00:43:16.380 my butt was going to be so big. And I feel like 00:43:16.380 --> 00:43:19.280 I mean, I feel like that's true with most like 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:21.300 based on real events. Dramatizations is, you 00:43:21.300 --> 00:43:24.420 know, there's that balance of reality versus 00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:27.500 character. And I find a lot movies like this 00:43:27.500 --> 00:43:29.420 tend to be really dry in that sense where they 00:43:29.420 --> 00:43:31.400 don't necessarily engage you so much on the character 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:32.980 when they're trying to get the facts correct. 00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:35.500 So I would have also liked to care about these 00:43:35.500 --> 00:43:38.070 people more personally. and that is a much more 00:43:38.070 --> 00:43:41.289 interesting story like where kind of the aftermath 00:43:41.289 --> 00:43:43.690 of all of this just just a little bit more of 00:43:43.690 --> 00:43:46.369 the aftermath i think would have made it a little 00:43:46.369 --> 00:43:53.190 less hunting and yeah talking about hunting and 00:43:53.190 --> 00:43:55.329 the slowness in the middle and a little more 00:43:55.329 --> 00:43:59.389 action at the end because it was there was a 00:43:59.389 --> 00:44:02.489 lot of media attention there was a i'm sure he 00:44:02.489 --> 00:44:04.610 had so many thoughts and feelings and we don't 00:44:04.610 --> 00:44:07.389 get any of it right we get him in a room hiding 00:44:07.389 --> 00:44:10.610 out and then on a plane and then in another room 00:44:10.610 --> 00:44:14.530 giving his little end speech right like yeah 00:44:14.530 --> 00:44:16.570 they cut out the boat chase scene that really 00:44:16.570 --> 00:44:19.619 disappointed me because i love a boat chase I 00:44:19.619 --> 00:44:21.380 just assume there's always a boat chase that 00:44:21.380 --> 00:44:23.840 got cut out of films. They cut out the scene 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.000 where him and Nicolas Cage switch faces. Oh, 00:44:26.019 --> 00:44:28.980 yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Right. They've had that 00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:31.789 technology for so long. I do have to say during 00:44:31.789 --> 00:44:35.210 the hunting scene, I for I don't know why, but 00:44:35.210 --> 00:44:37.309 I went my mind went to the story of Dick Cheney 00:44:37.309 --> 00:44:39.730 shooting his partner in the face. Yes. And I 00:44:39.730 --> 00:44:41.530 was like, so just waiting for someone to get 00:44:41.530 --> 00:44:43.610 blasted or maybe even snowed, even though it 00:44:43.610 --> 00:44:45.349 wasn't part of the real story. I was just like, 00:44:45.389 --> 00:44:47.730 give me give me someone to drama. Same, same. 00:44:47.849 --> 00:44:50.050 And when the rest of like the hunting party came 00:44:50.050 --> 00:44:51.969 over the ridge, I was like, are we just are we 00:44:51.969 --> 00:44:53.610 going to have a shootout? Or is there going to 00:44:53.610 --> 00:44:56.489 be an accident? It felt like that for sure. It 00:44:56.489 --> 00:44:58.690 really did. This movie definitely needed something 00:44:58.690 --> 00:45:02.150 actiony. I think I think that was there between. 00:45:02.250 --> 00:45:04.809 Yeah, there's just a couple of scenes where it 00:45:04.809 --> 00:45:06.909 felt like something really dramatic was going 00:45:06.909 --> 00:45:09.889 to happen. But because you knew it was a documentary 00:45:09.889 --> 00:45:12.989 that that wasn't part of the story. So then it 00:45:12.989 --> 00:45:16.510 just I don't know. It left me kind of like feel 00:45:16.510 --> 00:45:18.369 like they were setting up for something that 00:45:18.369 --> 00:45:20.949 wasn't there. I thought it was an all right movie. 00:45:21.030 --> 00:45:24.429 I mean, I enjoyed watching it. It was long. Yeah, 00:45:24.449 --> 00:45:28.300 it didn't really. thrill me it made me paranoid 00:45:28.300 --> 00:45:34.119 made me really upset um i am excited about trying 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.960 to go a whole month without watching porno i'd 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:41.119 still whack off i'm gonna like let's be real 00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:45.159 i am still whacking off everybody but i'm gonna 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.679 try to get off everybody i'm just gonna use where's 00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:50.760 mine my imagination imagination yeah i'm just 00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.940 imagining did i did i black out again no more 00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:57.079 no more porn Just for one month. I don't know. 00:45:57.219 --> 00:45:59.760 We'll find a cool no nut November kind of name 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:04.719 for like manual. March? March or something. I 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:06.219 mean, it's always manual, right? Like I don't 00:46:06.219 --> 00:46:09.099 have a cool robot. So we're trying to find it. 00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:11.440 When we get the right name, we'll assign it to 00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:13.860 a month. Like this could not happen until September. 00:46:15.539 --> 00:46:18.940 Why aren't you watching porn? Huh? Because I 00:46:18.940 --> 00:46:21.539 don't want the government to know my pornos. 00:46:22.129 --> 00:46:24.190 But I'm not doing this until I have a clever 00:46:24.190 --> 00:46:26.489 like alliteration. Just watch them at the library. 00:46:26.829 --> 00:46:29.969 Oh, like all the other homeless people? Fucking 00:46:29.969 --> 00:46:32.070 Seattle library. I have to go back. I have a, 00:46:32.070 --> 00:46:35.409 oh, I have a inspection at the Seattle, the Beacon 00:46:35.409 --> 00:46:38.230 Library this week. So I just put in some chargers 00:46:38.230 --> 00:46:41.389 there. So I'll make sure to dive in for a quick. 00:46:41.489 --> 00:46:43.769 You got to bring your little privacy film. I 00:46:43.769 --> 00:46:45.769 won't. You know, people from the side. I'm going 00:46:45.769 --> 00:46:48.590 to use a magnifying glass. Like one of those 00:46:48.590 --> 00:46:50.809 screen magnifiers for the people in the back. 00:46:52.170 --> 00:46:54.449 I'm bringing my own speakers. You're an actual 00:46:54.449 --> 00:46:58.869 criminal. Bring in some clip speakers to hook 00:46:58.869 --> 00:47:02.710 up. And a subwoofer so that they get the whole 00:47:02.710 --> 00:47:10.010 like turkey slapping feel. Oh my god. Okay. Cranberry 00:47:10.010 --> 00:47:14.550 sauce in the middle. There you go. You gotta 00:47:14.550 --> 00:47:18.869 have some slop. You really get it working. Then 00:47:18.869 --> 00:47:21.750 you need something to show like... You could 00:47:21.750 --> 00:47:23.909 have gone with gravy, man. Yeah, gravy's much 00:47:23.909 --> 00:47:26.170 better. Gravy doesn't have that gelatinous pull 00:47:26.170 --> 00:47:28.849 kind of feel. It gives a better suction. You 00:47:28.849 --> 00:47:31.389 need that sucking. You need the sucking sound 00:47:31.389 --> 00:47:33.190 of the cranberry sauce coming out of the can. 00:47:33.230 --> 00:47:37.190 Sean knows how to beat off to food noises. So 00:47:37.190 --> 00:47:38.949 this Thanksgiving, I'm really looking forward 00:47:38.949 --> 00:47:43.190 to being with my family. You are all monsters. 00:47:43.650 --> 00:47:46.409 You said the cranberry as a as a like a fleshlight. 00:47:46.650 --> 00:47:51.090 Yeah, I'll bring dessert next. We've got the 00:47:51.090 --> 00:47:53.650 movie Arsenal, which is a cream pie. Oh, no. 00:47:55.230 --> 00:47:59.789 Fuck off. This week in cage, we got a spider. 00:47:59.809 --> 00:48:02.289 We got a spider noir trailer. Yeah, the spider 00:48:02.289 --> 00:48:05.719 noir. Did you guys watch it? yeah i saw a trailer 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:09.199 uh during the olympics like i was sitting at 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:10.880 the bar and the olympics are on and all of a 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.019 sudden i saw spider noir trailer and i was like 00:48:13.019 --> 00:48:18.059 i was slapping lance and i'm like yeah it looks 00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:20.239 awesome i'm gonna i'm still definitely watching 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.360 it in black and white oh at least on the first 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.280 go wait you're not gonna watch it in real hue 00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:27.880 real hue sounds pretty good too i would like 00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.179 it if it was just like uh old colorized photography 00:48:31.150 --> 00:48:33.849 Like some some nerd had to go through every cell, 00:48:33.949 --> 00:48:37.530 every cell and like with colored pencils kind 00:48:37.530 --> 00:48:41.429 of shaded in. That's history, baby. I am shocked 00:48:41.429 --> 00:48:44.110 to say this looks like it might be quality. I 00:48:44.110 --> 00:48:46.949 was expecting this to look a lot worse. I mean, 00:48:46.949 --> 00:48:48.170 I was going to watch it. I was going to enjoy 00:48:48.170 --> 00:48:50.010 it no matter what. But this feels like something 00:48:50.010 --> 00:48:52.530 I'm actually going to enjoy more than like be 00:48:52.530 --> 00:48:54.670 able to rag on as much as I was hoping. Yeah. 00:48:54.730 --> 00:48:56.650 And it looks like it's got some real quality 00:48:56.650 --> 00:48:59.820 like. cage out moments and stuff for sure yeah 00:48:59.820 --> 00:49:02.340 it should be really fun i'm looking forward to 00:49:02.340 --> 00:49:05.739 it that that's what march comes out march may 00:49:05.739 --> 00:49:08.940 i think it starts with a may masturbation may 00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:14.460 yeah yeah masturbation mental mental how you 00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:16.280 get up the maple that just sounds too much like 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:18.579 menstruation may yeah we'll get there yeah we'll 00:49:18.579 --> 00:49:22.760 figure it out check back next time anyway elizabeth 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.139 freeman thank you for being here thank you for 00:49:25.139 --> 00:49:27.670 having us indeed All right. Next up, we've got 00:49:27.670 --> 00:49:29.630 the movie Arsenal, which is the return of Nick 00:49:29.630 --> 00:49:31.989 Cage as Eddie King, his character that he played 00:49:31.989 --> 00:49:35.949 in Deadfall. Yes. So I think it's a prequel because 00:49:35.949 --> 00:49:38.909 he got friolated. So it's a prequel and a sequel. 00:49:39.489 --> 00:49:43.190 There's no reason for this movie. Yeah, I don't 00:49:43.190 --> 00:49:44.750 know. It's going to be fun. I think my brother's 00:49:44.750 --> 00:49:46.050 going to be our guest for that. So that'll be 00:49:46.050 --> 00:49:51.340 good. All right. So thank you to our sparkle 00:49:51.340 --> 00:49:53.760 buddies, Josh, Josie, Matt, Adam, Bill, Stuart, 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.460 and Willow. And to our cage dancers, John Freeman, 00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.659 Nathan, and Cameron. Hey Freeman. That's it. 00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:07.440 Do you need me to get some deli meats? I don't 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:12.500 know. Can I kiss that ham? I want to kiss that 00:50:12.500 --> 00:50:21.579 ham. Don't touch that dog. His head topples to 00:50:21.579 --> 00:50:25.619 the floor, expressionless. You fall to your knees 00:50:25.619 --> 00:50:30.199 and catch your breath. You're finally safe from 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:45.039 Shia LaBeouf. my house heat just came on. I'm 00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:46.860 going to go turn that off because it will just 00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:49.059 be like a background noise thing. Yeah. What 00:50:49.059 --> 00:50:51.500 just came on? Don't be funny. Do you want us 00:50:51.500 --> 00:50:53.639 to take a second so you can get clean house noise 00:50:53.639 --> 00:51:01.079 air? It's warmer in here. Because the house heats 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:03.639 on. We're going to fix that. Don't ever stop 00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:07.039 taking clothes off, though. Oh, we've changed. 00:51:07.139 --> 00:51:10.360 We're a strip podcast now. Yeah. I was unaware. 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:13.380 Yeah. Sorry. This is happening. It's only Freeman 00:51:13.380 --> 00:51:16.079 rules, though. Oh, OK. Yeah. So it's actually 00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:18.460 best for everybody. It's either all my clothes 00:51:18.460 --> 00:51:21.000 or none of my clothes. Yep. We're going to get 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.980 you. I'm not wearing pants. I'm not wearing pants. 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:25.800 You're usually not wearing pants, though, unless 00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:28.199 it's a smart pantsuit. Just Winnie the Pooh -ing 00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.179 or what? Wouldn't you like to find out? Want 00:51:31.179 --> 00:51:34.559 me to stand up? No. No, thank you. Casual pass. 00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:37.380 Sean's going to get up and go get some more hot 00:51:37.380 --> 00:51:38.960 water in the kitchen and we'll all just get a 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:42.219 moonshot. Whoa! Very nice. Very nice.